The Best Ways To Mitigate EMF & Electropollution

Jason Prall

I’m thrilled to introduce you to our next guest. Lloyd Barrell is on a mission to raise awareness about the dangers of electromagnetic fields from cell phones and similar devices and share solutions. He is the founder of the website ElectricSense.com and creator of the EMF Health Summit, which introduced EMFs to an audience of over 200,000 people. He’s a regular speaker at international online events, podcast, radio shows and host his own bi-monthly EMF health podcast. He’s the author of two eBooks on EMFs. His latest book, “EMF Practical Guide.” Is available all good bookshops. Lloyd welcome.

Lloyd Burrell

Thank you so much, Jason. It’s a pleasure to be here. Pleasure to be talking on this really important topic, healing and energy, and talking about EMFs. Very happy to be part of this.

Jason Prall

Absolutely. Well, and this is an area of energy healing, or perhaps disruption that I think is sometimes forgotten about when we get into energy healing, right? We get into the magic of energy healing, and how our bodies are really magical in and of themselves. And yet we forget about this very real practical and yet invisible aspect of energy that is around us all the time. So I really wanted to bring you on to discuss this. To both maybe perhaps put things in context for people, to help really get some awareness around the dangers that are really out there when it comes to electromagnetic radiation and the devices that we use, particularly with respect to how we use them. This is really the practical aspect that I love that you talk about is, “Yes, there’s all these dangers around us, but what do we do about that?” Let’s just start at the beginning for those who are kind of unfamiliar with electromagnetic radiation. There are people aware of it when it comes to cell phones, perhaps microwaves and Bluetooth and things. But give us just a little background about what EMF or electromagnetic radiation is.

Lloyd Burrell

Okay. So I’ll just reframe that if I may. So, if I was to say to you or say to you… Let’s put this to the listeners and viewers, if I say to you the word pollution, what do you think about? And like most people that are thinking, Well, pollution of the sea, perhaps the plastics and heavy metals or pollution over in our food, or pollution of the soils, or pollution in the air. Obviously that’s like perhaps comes to mind first, but there’s this bigger pollution. There’s this ubiquitous pollution, should I say which is out there. Which is this electromagnetic field pollution. And this is… It’s invisible. It’s like everywhere and we can’t see it. It’s like chemical pollution. It’s there. If it’s in the air you’re breathing, perhaps or if it’s in the burger that you’re eating, but otherwise it’s not there, but EMFs is now everywhere. And particulars we’re going into 5G, and I know you wanna cover that as we move along. But it is really everywhere and it’s invisible, and most people have got no comprehension of it. So let’s just try and get clear on what it is. So when I say EMF what I’m talking about is electromagnetic fields, “EMF” electromagnetic fields. Some people like when they say that they mean electromagnetic frequencies. So I mean, electro… 

So we’re talking about fields, fields of energy. And I mean precisely man-made fields of energy, because there are natural fields of energy. Also we’re a surrounded actually by fields of energy. We are actually fields of energy in ourselves, we are subtle energy beings, fields of energy. So these EMFs it’s… They’ve actually been around for quite… These man-made EMFs, they’ve actually been around for quite a long time. ‘Cause people kind of think, “Well, just happened with 5G.” Some people are just hearing it now with 5G, or maybe before it was with the smart meters. But they’ve actually been around since certainly man-made EMF since electrification. So we’re talking about the 19th century. And there are already concerns there, and we’ve already got some research linking these exposures of electrification, with disease or “disease” as I like to call it. And then we’ve got the radio, which came in sort of like the 1930s, 1920s, 1930s Marconi. And so that was really when wireless first started. But then of course it was during the 1990s, that this just exploded with the cell phones and cell towers and everything everywhere, and like now everybody and the dog has got a cell phone. And that is the problem. It’s this exponential growth in this invisible toxin, which so few people are aware of, and which also is being… We’re talking about what’s really going on just before we start the interview. But there’s a whole lot of things going on with EMFs, which are not being talked about. And so it’s very real, it’s measurable, and there’s a lot of science to back up what’s going on here in, terms of how they’re impacting health.

Jason Prall

I love that. and you made a big distinction between sort of natural EMF, or electromagnetic radiation fields, versus man-made. I don’t wanna get too down the geeky side of things, but what is the difference? Why is one bad and one seems to be okay?

Lloyd Burrell

Well it’s not actually even that simple. It’s not like you can say that the EMFs of nature are good, because they’re not always good. For instance we have a form of EMF called geopathic stress, which comes from what’s in the earth, it’s what emanates from the earth. And it’s when we have in certain places around the planet, and all over the planet. There’s these energy grids lay lines, corry lines, and intersections of those with water channels. And that can create these energy vortexes. And you’ve got people that even on the 40th floor of a building that children particularly, it can be devastating in terms of not being able to sleep, pee in the bed and all that kind of thing. That’s 40th floor of the building, so they’re natural energies. So it’s not even black and white naturals good, non-naturals not good. It’s more we have to go deeper than that, but there is something about these man-made EMFs, which is a problem and clearly it’s that we have not evolved to survive, to certainly thrive with these frequencies. And it’s really… We don’t exactly know why it is, but the simplest explanation I have for this is, it’s the complexity of the signal. It’s the complexity of the signal, and they’re all different signals. Because when we talk about cell phone radiation forinstance, there’s not just one frequency, it’s multiple frequencies. We’ve got a carrier frequency, which will be depends where you live. 

It could be 900 megahertz, it could be 1.8 gigahertz. And then we’ve got these this modulation, this pulsing which is on it, which is how they put the data on it. And that’s just with regard to wireless, and then you’ve got all these other. So we’ve got the wireless and the wired, and I’m always keen to talk about these two. Because there’s a lot of focus on the wireless and the dangers of that. Again because of 5G and cell phones. But not a lot to talk about the wired, and yet the wired we’re all surrounded by wires. And the problem is that these wires. The electricity on these wires, the electrons on these wires, they don’t stay on the wires. They emanate out into the room and into you. And again, the science behind these dangers too, behind what these linking these exposures with notably cancer. It’s a complex subject. And it’s the fact that we’ve just sort of… 

Well, we have it’s not even sort of, we’ve introduced these frequencies into our world without any proper testing. It’s like, would we put a new drug on the market or maybe we would now, but this is the way I’ve always looked at it. Would we put a new drug on the market without proper testing? Obviously with the COVID thing. Anyway, but yeah. That’s the kind of question that we have to ask ourselves. And it’s not… You’ve got a choice about taking a drug, and we’ve got so many choices in our life. But the thing is with EMFs, some of those choices are being taken away, because it’s ubiquitous, because it’s everywhere.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love that answer. And so it sounds like essentially that with a lot of this technology, it’s very foreign to our biology and we’re still trying to… And I believe that our biology is supremely adaptable. In other words, it give us a long enough time. We’d probably figure out a way to adapt to this stuff and coexist. But it’s so new that our biology is incapable of… Well, I shouldn’t say incapable. It doesn’t do a very good job of harmonizing with these fields. And I love that your point on the natural radiation and fields that exist. And this seems to be the way of life. I mean even things like B12, it’s a really positive vitamin. Everybody thinks it’s great, but then for some people, not the greatest thing to give, especially in high doses. 

This is kind of the give and take, and the gray area that we find ourselves as biological beings that there’s better places to be, and there’s less optimal places to be. And even with something like the sun, which is the ultimate in EMF, it’s giving about radiation. And some of it is a little bit is good, and then perhaps there’s a little bit too much that’s not so good. So, this is a really good context I think, to navigate this conversation. And I love that you bring up the wired in the house, and the electrical aspects of things because it’s so often about or not even really mentioned. But maybe let’s talk about that for a little bit. ‘Cause that’s one of the things I do is, I bring my bed out from the wall about six to eight inches. So maybe you can educate the viewers and listeners on why I might wanna do that. And what’s really going on, how do I navigate my own home?

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah, that’s a great question. And an unusual question. I don’t often get a chance to talk about this, but so the big problem is that what’s on the wire, doesn’t stay on the wire. And what’s on the wire is a whole load of frequencies is electrons, electricity is moving on this electrons. Life is about electrons actually, when you actually break it down. So we’ve got these man-made electrons, moving along this wire, it’s usually Romex wire, so it’s plastic wire, it’s not insulated. And that’s the problem. So it’s why, which is carrying these frequencies. And once upon a time, for instance I don’t know if you’re in the US still Jason, but for those of us that are in the US, they’re in the US. So the frequency 60 Hertz, 60 cycles per second. I’m in Europe, my electricity is at 50 cycles per second 50 Hertz. And the problem is that in a one time that’s all it would’ve been, but now there’s a whole load of 

other frequencies on there, again, pollution. We’re always we’re back to this pollution, which is why I want it to get out there up front, it’s pollution, it’s electro pollution. And this there’s a name for, that we give, this is several names actually, but the one that sticks in people’s minds, which is a non-technical term is, “Dirty Electricity.”

Jason Prall

And I love that term. I love that term. The fact that it’s on. It’s just such a good description for what it is.

Lloyd Burrell

It’s not technical, but it’s okay. That’s really what it is, because it’s a whole load of frequencies which are on there, which frankly shouldn’t be on there. And we have really like, as humans we think we’re super smart, and we’re like one step ahead. And so we wanna save the planet. And so we’ve developed this technology which saves the planet, which helps the planet, which saves on energy. But unfortunately chop’s current, and we’ve got all these devices which chop current. Which introduce these harmonics and transients as they call in the jargon. Which is just electro pollution, and so instead of having this nice smooth side wave, we have like it’s like this, it’s still following the same curve, but it’s got a lot of other crap on it as well. And that is the problem. So that that’s the dirty electricity, but then if we didn’t even have the dirty electricity, we’ve also got electric fields and magnetic fields. And so you and your bedroom, you removed your bed away from the walls, six to eight inches which is great. 

But actually when you switch the lights out at night and you’re completely in the dark, and you’re like, “Okay, I’m chilled. It’s all good now.” Well you’re not, or most people are not anyway. Because you are actually sleeping in an electric field, and there’s dirty electricity components to that electric field. But even if there wasn’t, it’s still an electric field, a man-made electric field, which is not healthy. We didn’t evolve to sleep in electric fields. And that electric field actually, it permeates out into the room, something like six to eight feet, not six to eight inches, six to eight feet. So you need a pretty big room to get away from this. So there is a way around this, which I’m gonna share, but those are the problems, the dirty electricity the electric fields and also magnetic fields. ‘Cause wherever we have current move… So you’re in the dark, nothing switched on. And then soon as you switch your light on, boom you’ve got a magnetic field, why? Because we have current, which is moving, these electrons are moving, and that generates a magnetic field also. 

And all of this electric fields, magnetic fields, dirty electricity, which are actually intermediate frequencies between these very low fields of electric and magnetic, and the radio frequencies. All of that quite simply is bad news for our biology, and can cause a lot of problems headaches, depression, anxiety, a whole lot… The same kind of problems, which radio frequency radiation, cell phones cause. And we’re living in this world. So this is really the key is that, there are a lot of people who are sort of poo-pooing this saying, “I’m okay. I can use my cell phone. I can sleep in my room at night, it’s not bothering me.” Well, it’s not because you can’t feel it that it’s not bothering you. And what the science is telling us that these exposures are cumulative. It builds over time. And so…

Jason Prall

We really don’t even have a human that’s been alive for an entire lifetime since cell phones really came on the market. Like this is still a very early experiment. And since this massive burst of electromagnetic pollution that we’re experiencing.

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah, absolutely. Well we have sadly, humans which have alive and no longer here through this. I mean, I know I’ve spoken to the fathers. Well, several people and several parents, to children who’ve lost… They believe that, they’re sure they know, that they have lost their children through this. Through these kind of exposures, Jenny Fry in the UK. And Joe, I’m trying to remember his surname now. Another… He’s actually went into being an EMF consultant through this and he lost his daughter. I think she was 7, 7-8 years old. And this was through actually bedroom exposures, exactly what we’re talking about here. So this is no joke. So you can’t feel it, but it’s there. And this is like just, when I say this… This is the problem with EMFs in general, you can’t feel it, it’s there, it’s impacting you. It’s cumulative therefore it’s building on itself, and it’s causing all these symptoms. Which like, it seems everybody’s walking around with, and trying to pretend they’re not there, and taking medication and stuff to make it go away. I’m talking, like the things that I had,

Jason Prall

They mimic any kind of chronic illness, right? This is the difficulty is that it’s hard to parse out. This is your electrical pollution symptoms, and this is your gluten sensitivity symptoms, or what have you. It crosses so many barriers and boundaries, that it’s hard to determine what is coming from

Lloyd Burrell

It is. And it seems as though it goes for your weakest link. Whatever. So it’s different with different people, which makes it incredibly difficult to diagnose. Obviously and then we’ve got doctors as simply not trained to do this because there’s no motivation to do it. ‘Cause the motivation is to cover it all up, and pretend there’s not a problem. But it’s just really common everyday symptoms like headaches, brain fog. Like the stuff that I had, the reaction I had to my cell phone, the prickly skin, hot head, the massive fatigue, memory problems and then more longer term problems like digestive issues, weight loss, weight gain, just all over aches and pains. These EMFs are capable of attacking every single bodily system, every organ in your body. That’s how powerful this is.

Jason Prall

And not to mention it’s gonna disrupt sleep, right? So once you start disrupting sleep, even if it’s sort of imperceptible, or it’s in this range of like, “Eh, I don’t really sleep well, I wake up a couple times or I wake up groggy.” If this is contributing to that then anything that it’s gonna disrupt sleep, it’s gonna disrupt long term health. So this forgetting even the direct effects on the body, if even just indirectly it’s affecting sleep, it’s gonna create disease down the line.

Lloyd Burrell

Exactly. And incidentally in disrupt, we know that it impacts sleep and we know that it impedes the production of melatonin. Which obviously as is this really important hormone, considered by some to be the master hormone. And it impedes that’s to say radio frequencies, electric fields, magnetic fields, all of these different frequencies impede the production of melatonin.

Jason Prall

Yeah, and that’s massive. And just to add onto that, melatonin is probably the master oxidant system in the body. So we have glutathione and we have some of these amazing antioxidant defense systems, but melatonin seems to be the king of all. So it’s quite important beyond just the sleep aspect of melatonin. So if EMFs are disrupting melatonin production, this has dramatic effects on a number of biological systems in the body. Then you mentioned there were solutions to this, right? And I want you to get to this point too, because there’s the big solutions which I kind of wish I could do, which I’m unfortunately I’m unable to do with my current living situation. So my sort of suboptimal but improvement is to move the bed a little bit away from the wall. So talk to me about the distance aspect of some of these things and why distance matters, even though I’m not getting out of the field. Why is that maybe a little bit better than putting my head right up against the wall?

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah. So I wanna talk about solutions, but just before I do that I just wanna say, because a lot of people that doubt this information Jason, and so they hear me and other people talking about it, they don’t wanna believe it. And so what I want you to encourage those people to do, is to please do their own research on this. And unfortunately you can’t do it through Google. And so there is my website and I’m not plugging website. I’m just saying that my website is censored, so that’s already, I could tell you…

Jason Prall

I just wanna back that up. Your site is a great resource. So a lot of websites there’s a lot of, download this and buy this and all these things, actually Lloyd’s website is fantastic just from a research perspective, there’s tons of data. So that’s one thing you do a really good job Lloyd, is just putting that out front and center. Here’s all this stuff you guys can look at. So I’d love that that you do that.

Lloyd Burrell

Thank you, Jason. So ElectricSense.com, but like Magda Havas, Professor Magda Havas, she has an amazing website bioinitiativereport.org is an amazing resource, independent science, Powerwatch.co.UK, I think it is also which is amazing resource also. Also environmental health trust.org, I believe it is headed by Dr. David Davis, go to those websites, have a look what’s been said. If you’re doubting any of this, what I’m saying here about the dangers of EMFs. But to answer your question about solutions. So yes, solutions. So we’ll talk about the wired and the wireless if we can. But firstly let’s talk about the wired, because we’ve started on that. What to do with these exposures in your bedroom. You’ve moved your bed six to eight inches, which is already good news because of this, As you intimated there, this distance is your friend. That’s what we say here in the EMF world, because the way that EMFs propagate is that just by gaining a small distance between you and the device which is emitting these EMFs, you can get a big benefit basically.

Jason Prall

It’s not like a one to one ratio. It’s something not greater.

Lloyd Burrell

It’s not one to one, it’s exponential. So it’s an exponential, it’s this kind of curve rather than this linear curve. And so by this six to eight inches which you’ve done is a great start, but it is only a start. And what I would actually recommend is going to the breaker box. So the box like where all the fuses are and everything, and locating where the bedroom is and that’s not difficult to do. If it’s not marked you can just like switch them off one at a time and see which one does the bedroom. And ideally you wanna switch off the bedroom circuit and perhaps the circuits which are near to the bedroom. And do this for a week Jason. Do this for a week and see how you feel because I’m not guaranteeing that this will solve your problem, make things better, reduce your exposures because electricity is… Even like we are weird wonderful beings, but electricity is weird and wonderful. And even electricians sometimes they don’t understand this, what they bring their meters and what not and they can’t. They don’t understand why circuits are why they’re doing certain things in certain ways. 

So do that for a week and then see how you feel. And if you feel better then… If it’s not your accommodation it’s, you can still install it and dis install it afterwards. It’s not that expensive. So there’s a unit which you can store which can remote shut off those circuits. And actually so I live in Europe, and it’s just automatic you install it on this breaker box. And it’s when lights are out there’s no electricity. As soon as you switch to the circuit or you wanna put the light on, the circuit becomes alive and which is great. And that’s a gigahertz solution unit, which you can put in which you need to get an electrician to put in, please don’t do this on your own, you need a license to electrician to do it. But yeah, that’s the short term solution seven days. See how you feel. And by the way if the people that are watching this and thinking, “I’m wondering if, maybe I am reacting to these EMFs.” That is the way to test also, is to do that or go one step further and go camping for a weekend or an extended weekend, with no cell phone away from the cell towers, sleeping grounded and see how you feel compared, have you still got your symptoms compared to when you were at home in your bedroom.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love that. And it’s funny, I just moved into this house and the, for whatever reason I’ve got the refrigerator is on a couple parts of the kitchen are on the same circuit as my bedroom. So I actually have to get this rewired because it’s a mess. And so and there’s a lot of these weird solutions, right? So I’m curious. And by the way, I think the ultimate solution too, would be to shut off the whole house if you can. And you can do that, like the refrigerator can be off overnight, and there’s some things that you can do there. It’s not practical for many. But it’s the point is that we can go to these lengths and for some who are particularly sensitive, it might be helpful to go that far. But I love that you, this solution is fantastic. Just flip off the breaker, even if it’s manual, just flip off the breaker, just figure out a way to get those circuits off and see how you feel. I mean, that’s really critical. What are some other components to the bedroom, right? Because that’s obviously a big one that most people are not doing. What are some other things that we can do that… What are people doing wrong typically in the bedroom, when it comes to cell phones and other things that are on their bed?

Lloyd Burrell

Well, what people are and wrong typically is bringing anything electrical into the bedroom, anything electrical, you want to like sleep like the monk. You want your bedroom needs to be as basic as possible. You need to sleep in the dark. I mean, it just needs to be stripped down as basic as possible. No metal in there, if preferably. I mean, this is all like baby step stuff. So it’s not like you’re gonna clear out everything tonight, but this is what you wanna aim towards is having no metal, obviously because metals you’ve got this, they’re interacting because we we’re surrounded by these frequencies now. So anything metal like metal mattress, it’s better spring metal sprung mattress. It’s better to avoid anything metallic in the bedroom to be avoiding. And yeah, from an EMF point of view, just not bringing anything electronic. What I would allow is a battery operated alarm clock, but you don’t want your cell phone in there, ’cause so many people are sleeping with cell phones. And then the danger is that you leave the cell phone on overnight. Because, so what the key here is with the cell phones, if we can just talk about this a moment, is to have have your cell phone on airplane mode as much as possible.

Jason Prall

This is throughout day, right? This is this just…

Lloyd Burrell

All the time. Jason and I went 19 years and never had a cell phone. And I got one now because it’s life’s in the 21st century for lot things online it’s impossible not to do without cell phone. And my wife was getting very annoyed with all the time. I kept messaging, sending messages that can you give me the code for this and that? So I have a cell phone, it’s not in the room here, and it’s in the hall and it’s at this moment, it’s in airplane mode. I’m gonna go out after this interview, about half an hour afterwards and I’ll take it with me because of the current restrictions, I need control of identity and all that. So I need to have the cell phone for that, but it’s all the time it’s on airplane mode. So that is the key really. Because for most people that is possibly the most important EMF exposure in their life is their cell phone because people are glued to their cell phones and they are amazing things. As I said before I came on, I went away on holiday and frankly if I didn’t have my cell phone, I was away two weeks. I don’t what I would have done because I work online, and like booking accommodation and stuff, and just everything you use in a cell phone for now, this is today’s world. But that doesn’t mean that it has to take over your life. And it doesn’t mean you have to sleep with a cell phone switched off. And that’s what you must avoid at all costs. Sleeping with that cell phone switched on. All costs it needs to be on airplane mode. And what I recommend is not bringing the cell phone into the room into the bedroom. Because at some point you’re gonna forget to put it in airplane mode, and you’re gonna be exposing yourself to EMFs overnight with all the consequences that that brings. 

And just by the way when I say airplane mode, I actually mean going into the settings deactivating cellular, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and all of that needs deactivating. And the only way you really actually you can know if a cell phone is truly on airplane mode is to test it with a meter. And we have meters now which are really inexpensive. Which I strongly recommend at some point, that’s what you wanna do, is to be be able to take measurements with an EMF meter. So where you are with the wireless exposures, with the wireless exposures, and you can track on all of these hotspots in your home. Because I can guarantee every home has got hotspots. even there’s like over 50% of homes, according to one study has wiring errors. What do wiring errors do? Cause electromagnetic fields, magnetic fields particularly. So, this is the world we live in, and cell phones are here to stay that’s for sure, but we need to make certain changes to be able to, live in vibrant health and to be able to be well, quite frankly. And this is really something that people do not want to overlook. You’ve gotta look at these EMF exposures, on this summit you’re talking about energy, this is it. This is the energy of today, EMFs.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. And there’s a number of pervasive things in the house that we might overlook. One that comes to mind are dimmers and dimmer switches, maybe on lights. What are some other things, and maybe you can talk about that. But what are, ’cause that’s a big one. If you take your EMF meter and a light, which is interesting that if you have a dimmer installed, a dimmer switch for a light. If it’s on full it gives you some reading, but then if you dim it, it just blasts up just tremendous amount of radiation. Because there’s a resistance in there. There’s more power and it’s being resisted as you dimer. And so there’s a lot of these things that are through out the house. What are some of these things that people might wanna just bring awareness to that might be causing increasing their load?

Lloyd Burrell

So three days ago we went to the electrical shop with my wife, she’s been pestering me this for ages to get a new washing machine a new dryer. And while we were there actually we bought a new hub as well because the hubs like 25 years old and all. And I mean the washing machine, it was just disgusting. It wasn’t rinsing anymore. I mean, it was just stinking the house out. So I said, “Okay, we’ll go.” And the big problem, and I was talking to the guy and this is a place where I go regularly. And he knows me ’cause I’m the weird guy, who goes in with a meter, who wants, who asks all these questions which nobody else asks. And he has to switch his phone off and stuff, so I can do some tests and everything. And I like ring him I’m not spoke to him for three years and he knows exact who I am. And that’s the problem is that all these devices, all these devices which we have in our homes, they’re all smart devices pretty much. I mean, he did actually say to me the problem now is some manufacturers are taking it out, because they can’t get the components. Because a lot of these smart components come from China and they can’t get them because of the COVID. There’s a big shortage supply chain shortage now, with so many different things. And but generally speaking, high end, low end, whatever end. It’s smart, it’s all going smart. And what that means is radio frequency, microwave radiation. Just like your cell phone, except it’s on all the time. And I’m talking just simple things. So yeah, it’s the washing machine, it’s the dishwasher, it’s the hub, it’s the oven, it’s the iron, it’s the toothbrush, nappies. What I call nappies you call diapers. Smart diap… Come on do we…

Jason Prall

Is that really insane?

Lloyd Burrell

What, yes.

Jason Prall

Oh my God.

Lloyd Burrell

Yes, it is.

Jason Prall

I was not… I have a two year old and I was actually not aware that that exists.

Lloyd Burrell

All sorts of smart devices for babies are being developed. It is just horrible. Particularly when we know that children are much more vulnerable to these exposures than adults, the science is very clear on this. So it’s really it’s a minefield Jason and unless you… It’s not even asking the questions. So, I have a little protocol I share it very quick, ’cause I’ve shared it with you before. So you probably remember but, I call it the… At least is to… One of first thing it’s how we deal with these EMFs. And the first, is the youth to understand. And that’s what you’re doing now, you’re beginning to understand. It’s the M for measure and it’s the M for mitigate. You need to do all of that. And anything else really, it’s just half fast, frankly you’re not gonna get anywhere. So you can do little things, but unless until you actually go and get a meter, you need to do all three, understand, measure, mitigate. And unless you’d actually measure with a meter, you are clueless, if that light… So I’ve got a special light here, to give some light through this recording. 

You don’t know if that light, if it’s given off a horrendous. If it’s one of those CFO lights, which is given up creating horrendous amounts of dirty electricity, you don’t know. You don’t know if there’s a fault somewhere on your electrical wiring, which is creating magnetic fields. You don’t know if your printer… That’s another really sort of under the radar thing, is your printer even if you switch off the wireless, it’s still giving out wireless. It’s still because there’s two networks, there’s a private and a public. And a lot of them have got this now. So you go in the settings you switch it off you think, “Oh, I’m good.” No, there’s a public Wi-Fi setting, public hotspot. And so many of these devices are like this. And then so unless you have a meter, you can’t know. So having this awareness today is really good, but at some point you’re gonna have to, just take it a bit further. Either invest in a meter or get somebody in, to do the testing for you. Because otherwise you’re clueless, and you’re exposing yourself, you’re exposing. In your case, your 2 year old child to this, you’re exposing your partner, and everybody who comes in your dogs, cats, whatever. All living things are being impacted by this wildlife bees. You name it, it’s the whole planet. We’ve got satellites in space with 5G, hundreds of thousands, over a hundred thousand satellites. Those are the plans. And it’s not gonna get better anytime soon,

Jason Prall

It really is this electrification of the ionsphere that we’re seeing with all this EMF. And so yeah. I love that you mentioned all these, because this is the reality. Is that we can perhaps make an excuse for one item that has Bluetooth, but now we’re looking around and we have 52 items in our household that are emitting Bluetooth and then Wi-Fi, and then all these other things, and then of course the dirty electricity components. Our mind can’t even wrap our heads around it. And this isn’t a situation where one plus one equals two, it’s like one times one equals a million sometimes. So it just starts getting very strange, and we can’t quantify, this is the problem. Is it even and I love the, I don’t wanna dismiss your point here of measuring ’cause it’s really, really critical. And yet even still that’s just a one step. We can’t truly measure if Jason’s standing right here in this room, what is impacting me here? That’s the really tricky part about this, but I wanna get to your point about measuring, because this is critical. So what are some devices that you can point people to start measuring? And I know there’s a couple, is there like maybe a little bit of a cheaper solution, and perhaps a really nice solution, or how can people go about this?

Lloyd Burrell

Okay. So what I recommend is a Tri-Mode meter. So Tri-Mode means it can measure three types of electromagnetic field. And there’s a whole bunch of these now in the market. When I first started, there was like one. And now there’s like, they all do this pretty much. And it is very… And just to bounce back on what you said there, you’re absolutely right. Even when you’ve got these meters, because unfortunately you need two meters, I’ll explain what they’re in a sec. But even when you’ve got these meters, the meters only measure certain frequencies. That’s how meters work. There’s no meter, there’s no EMF meter which can measure all EMFs, unfortunately. These meters which I use, and have been reviewing for quite a few years. They’re really rather simple devices, designed for consumers. They’re not professional level meters, which cost tens of thousands of dollars. They’re relatively easy to use. 

Some are a little bit more complicated than others. But they’re designed to measure, and there’s all kinds of judgments, it goes on when they make these meters. It’s not like an exact science, although it’s okay, the meter says this, but it’s if the Trifield meter gives you a reading of one and the acoustic meter gives you a reading of one. Unfortunately it’s not the same one, it’s measuring in different ways. So it’s really quite important to get good meters. You don’t need the best meters, but you do need good quality meters. And I say this, ’cause I’m a bit of a cheap skater, I can be at times. And even for this I was, and I bought a really cheap meter when I first started. And it was a big mistake, big big mistake, because complete waste of money and time. And I was really suffering hurting at the time. And so what I actually recommend at the moment is the Trifield meter. And we’re going again, it’s because of the supply problems that my recommendations are changing and stuff. And because obviously these meters are evolving, but I like the Trifield TF2. T for Tommy, F for Freddy number two. Which is costs about $170-$180. So it can be stretched for some people, I know. It’s but it’s an investment. And this meter can measure electric fields, magnetic fields and radio frequency, microwave radiation, let say cell phone radiation, wifi smart, Bluetooth, all the rest of it. This is not like the best meter, it’s always a compromise. So this is a meter which is good value for money. There’s pros and cons with this meter. It measures certain things better than others. The ionosphere are particularly good with the magnetic fields, not quite as good with the radio frequency, microwave radiation measurements. But all in all it’s good value for money. 

So that’s kind of my general purpose meter for somebody who’s health conscious. And then if you are electrically… What I call electrically hypersensitive, you actually getting symptoms, and you are around these exposures. Then I would recommend the acoustic meter. Which is, I think it’s the AM12 or something now. It’s called… I think I’ve got the AM11. And which costs quite a bit more, it’s about $35400 and that’s just a radio frequency meter. And I will couple that with a gigahertz meter, ME3030B. M from mother, E for echo, 30 30, B for Birtie. To measure electromagnetic fuels and magnetic fields. And then whichever you buy, whichever combination of all that you buy. You also need a meter to measure dirty electricity. And that will would be for instance, the meter. Dr. Graham and Dave Stats are there, the people that really did the research on this went to Russia and everything. And just read the studies and developed the meter and developed the filters for dirty electricity. So their meters are great meter. 

There are all the meters out there, Green wave meter is also very good. And then when you’ve got… So if you’ve got, for instance the Trifield and this , you can measure dirty electricity, radio frequency, microwave radiation, electric field, magnetic fields. That is really a great start. And then you would start in your bedroom, that because that’s the most important room and which is really great, we talked about that. It’s the most important room. Start in your bedroom, and just work way around the house with a survey sheet. If anybody wants to contact me, I’ll give it you for free. It’s a survey sheet and you write it all down, little science experiment, it’s not very difficult. And you do this over a week, take readings three times a day, three times of the week. And then you’ve got something to build on, something solid. And with these meters, it’s not like, okay, you buy it, use it and forget about it. You keep using it, it’s changing all the time Jason, it’s these here this environment we’re living in. Our electricity supply in its itself is polluted. It’s polluted by the neighbors, it’s polluted by the electric company. So you need to monitor it. Ideally, you need to get that thing out every two, three weeks, every month. Those meters out, check it all again, what’s going on. We developed a fault somewhere, particularly at least check your bedroom.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love that. And there’s such a important aspect here. Because if somebody’s dealing with chronic disease of any kind making these changes is going to help you recover from that condition much faster. If you’re not dealing with any chronic disease yet right now, this will… And you don’t make any changes, then you’re more likely to develop something down the line. And then even from a, let’s say spiritual perspective, for those who like to connect, meditate. And alter their awareness in their states. This is impacting us on that level too. So this is impacting everybody at all times. There’s not a single person that can’t benefit, from making these changes. And I love the point that you made that when you’re in a household and you have a family, you make these changes and you’re improving the lives of multiple people. So there’s such a leverage aspect here with when it comes to this. And again the cumulative component that you mentioned is critical. So the more, the faster we make changes, and some of these changes are simple. They’re actually not complicated, they don’t cost a lot of money. There’s some very cheap and effective, solutions that can come from this. But until we realize where the assault is coming from in our direct household, it’s very difficult to figure out what to do next. So Lloyd tell people again where they can find more of your work because again, you’ve developed such a great resource. Also people people wanna learn more. You’ve really given us a great place to start, and there’s so much more too. So where can people find more of your stuff?

Lloyd Burrell

Yes, thank you. So there is, there’s a lot to this and we’re gonna really scratched the surface. So ElectricSense.com is where to go, and just enter your name and email to get a free report already, just to get you going out the gate. And then this is like you have to kind of, I don’t know how you are with learning things, but I like to like learn over time and absorb, and get a hand to. It’s not… None of this is like quick fix stuff. You have to kinda get your head round it a bit. And I do a bimonthly podcasts, and with interviews with… So we talk about is EMFs, lots of different angles, sometimes more than others, the EMF. But there’s always in EMF aspect, always, always. Because it impacts every aspect of our lives. So that’s how I would, where to go ElectricSense.com. And just to say, Jason, just to underline this, that we are really subtle energy beings. And we’re living in this energetic world, and it’s like EMF’s our energy. this energy gone wrong, gone mad, gone crazy. It’s like mad scientist stuff. And how can these EMFs not impact us frankly? They are, the science is showing this, and this is your opportunity to do something about it.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love that. And, I’d be remiss not to say this, that in some of the circles particularly that I run in and what I see is and I get these questions all the time from people asking me, “Hey, there’s this pendant that goes around your neck, does that help?” Or people trying to solve these solutions with pyramids it’s pendants and little devices. And I don’t wanna necessarily say those are bad, or they don’t even work. I don’t wanna go down that path, but what I find is that oftentimes we’re skipping over the practical, real world solutions in favor of kind of these more airy fairy type solutions, which again, I’m kind of a fan of. So don’t get me wrong that I have this biogeometry device, which I love. And actually it’s right here. So this is my biogeometry, and you people can check that out. And I’m a firm believer that it helps with some of this stuff. And yet, I don’t think that it’s something… It’s not a force field. So I still can’t walk up to dirty electricity, and put myself onto my head and think that I’m protected. So maybe just speak on this last little point here, about some of these solutions.

Lloyd Burrell

Of course, very important. And when I got sick, that’s where I went into all of that. ‘Cause I just want all that, my problems just to go away and I was willing to spend whatever, just to do that. I didn’t know anything about this. I’d heard of electromagnetic fields vaguely in physics at school. Although I wasn’t paying a lot of attention apparently at the time, ’cause I didn’t really know a lot about it. And it was scary, scary as hell, and ’cause I was sick and there seemed to be nobody who could help me. So and I was seeing these, so I was going online and this is 20 years ago. And I was buying all this stuff, and I bought one thing once. And it seemed to help me, I’ll even give you the name. It was a Q link, and it seemed to help me and it did seem to help me a bit. And then it just didn’t help me in anymore. So someway it just stopped. And so what you need to understand is it’s really what I share is what works. And this is… I didn’t invent this and the Institute of Building Biology, they talkabout this kind of thing. I don’t think they invented it either. This is sort of a body of a knowledge, which is developed over time. And this works, this approach works. 

It’s measurable mitigation. It works. There’s nothing, the EMF meters are not. It’s all except to conventional science. You might have never heard of it, but it’s completely kosher. Now, and I’m not saying the dependence are so unarmed. Because I promote certain of those as well, but who am I to say what works for you, and what doesn’t work when we get to those? And that’s the point? And so what I’m very clear to say always, when I’m talking about these different devices harmonizers, resonators, these pendants, these chips you might put on your phone, et cetera, et cetera, is that that should only be used as an adjunct to this conventional approach to EMF protection. Because this is what the arm works, the arm understand measure mitigate, that works. The other stuff, it might work. It might not work. It might work for a time, and then not. And you could so add that in, but don’t, that is not the basis of EMF protection. The basis is what I’ve talked about here today.

Jason Prall

Beautiful. Well, that’s great. Lloyd thank you so much for coming on and sharing your wisdom. This has been very enlightening to think for a lot of people And it really grounds this aspect of energy healing in the real world.

Lloyd Burrell

Thank you so much. Thank you, Jason.