Biohacking Your Manhood With GAINSWave

Mark White

Thank you. I really appreciate being on your summit.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. So, when it comes to the, what you’ve done, there’s a lot of science behind it. It’s a lot of– it sounds so basic, but also you’re the only one doing it. So what’s going on with the GAINSWave? Let’s start there.

Mark White

All right and first of all, we say it’s not really erectile dysfunction. It’s optimizing erection quality, which really attracts every guy that just wants better erections.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

And what we know is that what causes problems as we age is blood flow. I mean, ED is very complicated and erectile issues are complicated. A lot of times it’s psychological. A lot of times it’s hormonal, but 75% of the time, it’s just a focus of blood flow. So, when you don’t have– the veins of your penis, which are very tiny veins, we notice our erections are not as strong as they used to be.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. You know, the psychological side, a lot of people don’t give that enough weight, meaning that, there’s, you know, new relationship or something happening at work. And then all of a sudden things shift and you just believe that, oh, maybe I’m aging, you know. And all of a sudden a different relationship, where maybe there’s a different level of stress and you’re performing really well. So how impactful is that?

Mark White

Well, psychological is huge. I mean, we’ve seen like guys in their twenties who have been addicted to porn, and they have problems in intimate relationship, getting an erection, but they don’t have any problems looking at porn.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

Sometimes, men aren’t happy in their relationships and you know, so they can have an erection with one person and then not with another person. And a lot of times that does involve therapy and there’s solutions for that. But I think it becomes a domino effect, ’cause as we age, we don’t have the confidence we can always perform. And a lot of times it’s just that you are getting older and if your penis isn’t getting proper blood flow the way it used to, you start playing this in your head and then it becomes a loop. So, there’s that psychological component everybody should address as well.

Kashif Khan

So what actually happens when you’re aging? Why do things change?

Mark White

So, and by the way, I like, I’m not a doctor, I’m on the business operation side of things. So I’m gonna dumb it down. It’s that when we age, we naturally start building up plaque all over our bodies.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

But the penis, if you think about it, has microscopic blood vessels, like your blood vessels in your penis are microscopic. They’re very sensitive. And guys tend to notice that before anything else. Guys will notice it. Like, and it’s funny, you’ll hear about guys, they won’t do anything for anything else until they have a heart attack, but they probably have a little bit of problems going on up there. But in their penis, the day they noticed that the erection wasn’t as good, is the day they’re looking for a solution.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

And that’s probably the best time to attack it. And that’s where GAINSWave works best, is guys with mild to moderate issues.

Kashif Khan

Right. And that’s where it sounds like it’s even a warning sign of bigger problems, you know, head to toe, because if you have plaque there, it’s probably building up somewhere else too.

Mark White

Yeah. We call it the Canary in the Coal Mine.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Ha ha. Literally. That’s what it is. Yeah. Yeah and it’s a sign that people don’t understand. And like you said, men are so much less likely than women to take care of themselves. You know, you’ve got the limbs gotta be falling off or something completely not working before you even ask for help. So, it’s a big red warning sign, which depending what age it happens, if it’s going on, there’s either psychological work you need to do. Or there may be even cardiovascular or endothelial or blood work you need to do, ’cause there’s something going on deeper. So, the work you do goes beyond, “Hey, here’s a chemical that you can take that’s gonna help.” You’ve discovered something far beyond that. So, how does it work?

Mark White

Okay. So, first of all, it’s actually– so my background’s more on bringing awareness and on the marketing side and I’ve been doing age management and preventative healthcare now for 20 years. So we’ve always been involved in hormone replacement therapy and regenerative therapy. But guys are always asking about sexual wellness, and what we believe is a treating the root cause of disease. We don’t believe in pills like most people in the community. And we didn’t discover shockwave therapy for ED. It was actually, there were a series of studies done in the mid 2000s, around 2005. There were some studies out of Europe and Israel. But the way it works is, they use shockwave therapy. So if you’re familiar with lithotripsy, lithotripsies where we break up a kidney stone using high frequency sound waves. Sound waves create energy that can break things up in your body. But if you use low intensity acoustic waves or shock waves and you do it along the skin and you see this with Chiros’ actually use this a lot for muscle healing. It creates more blood flow. So the way it works is by using a shock wave, which again, it’s really a sound wave that creates energy. It goes under the skin and it breaks up plaque resulting in more blood flow. So it cleans out the plaque right under the dermis.

Kashif Khan

Wow. So you’re actually truly getting to the root cause.

Mark White

You’re getting to the root cause. And with PDE5 inhibitors like Viagra and Cialis, it’s really an artificial way of, just making your blood vessels bigger for a few hours and forcing blood into what are already diseased blood vessels versus this, fixes the blood vessels.

Kashif Khan

And this is why you have so many men that complain that when they take a pill, they often get headaches, migraines,

Mark White

Mmhm.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Because they’re– it’s not isolated, that there’s a certain blood vessel that’s being enlarged. It happens head to toe. And all of a sudden you’re doing things that are potentially harmful.

Mark White

Yeah. I think you see guys that get really bad sinus headaches, and really bad pounding headaches with Viagra. There are contraindications for people with heart issues for that reason. And in the case of traditional, like traditional just pharmaceuticals, it’s always about putting a band aid, but they are not focused on the root cause. So, this is about treating the root cause. We’ve seen guys that can get off of Viagra and perform. We’ve seen guys with really severe ED that have to take Trimix, which is an injection in your penis, which to me, sounds terrible. But these guys can get off of Trimix doing these treatments. But it tends to work best for guys with mild to moderate ED, or even guys that are just looking for more sensitivity in the penis. We believe it does something at the nerve levels as well. So, the quality of the orgasms are better and guys feel like they have the penis of an 18 year old.

Kashif Khan

So you referred to it as therapy. Is this something that you do at home or do you need clinician support?

Mark White

So GAINSWave is about going to see a practice that has been clinically trained, that has support, that follow a protocol. So, when they did a series of studies, they followed a certain protocol where you do a series of six treatments over a three week period.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Mark White

It should be done under a doctor’s office. If we have hundreds of providers nationwide, but since GAINSWaves come out because of the popularity, there have been companies that have created home devices and people can do it at home. It’s not going to be as strong. And a lot of guys don’t have the training for it. So we’ve seen some doctors that’ll do an in office treatment with GAINSWave and then they’ll send them home with a home device to do between sessions.

Kashif Khan

Right. Yeah. Maintenance type stuff. So, what is actually, what does the session look like? I’m sure a lot of people aren’t familiar with, what are you even doing?

Mark White

So you go into an office, and I think you go into the office, you drop your pants. So there’s a certain level of, I guess, vulnerability, obviously. They make you feel relaxed. They sometimes they’ll numb up the penis, even though there’s no pain involved with it, they just don’t want it to be uncomfortable. Then they take a device that has a wand, but the device itself that creates the acoustic wave has a compressor. It’s a machine. And using the wand, they go up and down the vessels of the penis for about 20 minutes.

Kashif Khan

Okay. Okay.

Mark White

And then there’s a whole protocol they follow.

Kashif Khan

And in that, I mean, I’m assuming there’s a lot of sort of taboo and a lot of, you know, shame around certain things. This is why companies that ship erectile pills have done so well because men don’t even want to admit that they have a problem.

Mark White

Well, I think that first of all, it’s like everything else. I mean, when your hormone levels are decreasing, your testosterone levels are off. Is it taboo to go optimize testosterone or any type of supplementation? And I think there’s more awareness. And I think one of the things that we’ve been doing at GAINSWave and one of the things we’ve been doing really good at is drawing awareness towards this. So it shouldn’t be taboo because it’s really, you’re like you said, it’s a function of aging. And to most men and women, having intimacy in a marriage is important. Having great sex is also good for a guy’s confidence. It’s really part of what it means to be a man, is to be able to have the confidence to perform. So, I think the taboo probably comes around certain belief systems and it comes from things that are entrenched in culture, but it shouldn’t be a taboo.

Kashif Khan

Right. And have you seen– you mentioned hormones. So, when we look at the genetics of ED, what we see is that, you know, obviously testosterone is a big driver for what you need. And there’s certain men that actually are more estrogen dominant, which is not a typical belief or assumption that you would make that, you know, people believe men are testosterone, women are estrogen. But there’s some men that literally convert all their testosterone and estrogen, and they just hormonally get to that place a lot faster as they age. So, have you found that, I understand you’re dealing with a plaque, right? And that’s really the core root cause foundation. Are there ever recommendations where you supplement with hormones or have you ever seen that it’s not needed?

Mark White

Well, first of all, going back to your question of do people do this at home or do it in a doctor’s office? Most of the practices that we work with at GAINSWave are from the preventative health age management.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

Functional medicine side of things. So, they’re going to look at everything. And most practices should and do, do hormonal testing at the genetic testing. They look at, they should do a screening to see if there’s a psychological issue because if you can address hormonal, and make sure that your testosterone levels are optimal, you should make sure that you are working through any therapy that you need to work through when it comes to the psychology behind sexual issues and you are going in there and optimizing the vascularity and growing back blood vessels and making sure the blood flows healthy. In all cases of optimizing greater erections and really fixing the root cause, which is– Yeah. So, to answer your question, most practices do look at testosterone levels and people should be on optimal hormonal levels. In fact, when we added GAINSWave to our practice in 2016, the reason was that we were putting a lot of men on testosterone. Like we started from the world of hormone replacement therapy. Our practice here is still primarily hormonal. But guys who would get on testosterone, they’re like, “Great, my libido’s great.” But you know, it’s just like the mechanics it’s not working. Give me Viagra.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Mark White

And, we were writing scripts for a lot of Viagra. We actually were using a technique that was created by a doctor out of Alabama where you spin blood and a platelets called, it’s called the P-Shot, where you’re taking PRP,

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

Delivering plasma, you’re injecting it in the penis. And that does have the same type of effect. It has the same neovascularization growth. You have growth factors that rush in, start doing the repairing. And we added that to our practice in 2016. And guys are saying, I want the benefits. I don’t want the needle.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

Like needles and penises are just not a– It’s hard to–

Kashif Khan

Shouldn’t be in the same sentence.

Mark White

Shouldn’t be in the same sentence. But you know, the name of the treatment was P-Shot. It’s like, you know, what are you gonna be doing? So, we were looking for a better solution. And when we came across this clinical studies, our medical director reviewed them and said, look, these make sense. Let’s do some. Let’s try this on some patients. And it took us a while because at the time in 2016, nobody had heard of music shockwaves to grow back blood vessels. Nobody was doing it in the U.S. And I think it comes down to the challenge that people have when they are in the health and wellness space. And you’re not a big pharma company. It’s how do you bring awareness around this? So we.

Kashif Khan

Sorry, go ahead.

Mark White

No, I said, so we did bring in a machine and we started testing it on our patients to see if it worked. And the very first patient happened to be a swinger.

Kashif Khan

Oh wow.

Mark White

A 56 year old swinger. And I guess if you’re a swinger, I’m not a swinger, but if you’re a swinger, I guess having the inability to perform has gotta be the worst thing to ever happen to you.

Kashif Khan

Your identity is performance.

Mark White

Identity is performance. And he had tried everything. He had tried pills that gave him headaches and he didn’t like it. He actually tried the P-Shot and didn’t like it, got some bruising. And so we tried it on him and then, and we weren’t even sure if it was going to work. And he called us up the next day. And he said, I’ve had so many erections spontaneous, all during the night. And we thought maybe this was a one off. And we tried it on a few more patients with similar results. I actually had tried it on myself, and the quality of the erections are much better. So we knew that this could be huge, but then we had to think, how do you tell the story and bring awareness around something, when you don’t really, you know, like what’s the go to market strategy? So, we trademarked the name GAINSWave, we built a series of protocols around it. And then we focused on telling the world that there’s this treatment that works and we’ve built a team of great practices throughout the country that have been clinically trained. And when patients are interested in getting a GAINSWave, they can go to our physician finder, or just type in GAINSWave, and a practice should show up, offering it.

Kashif Khan

That’s awesome. And I’ve seen, just because you mentioned the PRP, there’s guys out there that are touting stem cell therapy, you know, and it’s not cheap. I mean, people are paying 10 to $30,000 to get their function back. Any thoughts? Like, is there value in that?

Mark White

I mean, absolutely there’s value in all of these regenerative treatments. We’ve seen stem cell therapy and exosome therapy. The challenge you have with that currently is in our regulatory environment. And the FDA is really cracking down on practices that are marketing. They’re claiming that stem cells and the exosome products are drugs, which I guess is debatable. And they’re claiming that you can’t make certain claims if you’re offering it for sexual wellness. However, practices can offer it. They just can’t market it. And I’ve seen like, we offer those here in our practice to patients and they’ve gotten great results with that. But going back to the pricing at 10 to 30,000, you’re really only talking about a small sliver.

Kashif Khan

Mmhm.

Mark White

People who can afford that. And with GAINSWave, it’s much more reasonably priced and you know, it’s like six treatments or around 3000. And they get just a good benefit. But if you do combine it with exosomes or a P-Shot, you do see some synergies.

Kashif Khan

And now you’re gone for the treatment. And because you’re literally removing plaque, the outcomes probably has some longevity to it. It’s not like you’re going back every few months. This is gonna last a while. Right?

Mark White

Yeah. And I’ll refer to clinical studies. The clinical studies, they track men for up to two years afterwards, and this is not a permanent cure. This is a treatment that studies show that people get benefits even up to two years later. We do Sorry. Lemme just grab some water.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Go for it. Yeah.

Mark White

We do recommend that they, you know, get on some sort of maintenance program, or use one of these home devices so that the plaque doesn’t come back. But, generally you see guys they’ll do six treatments or a month, and then they’ll be fine for a year, two years. They’ll come back and do six treatments again.

Kashif Khan

Okay. That’s interesting ’cause the plaque, you know, just like any other chronic condition, it takes decades to build up, meaning that this is why typically we call it an aging condition. Typically, you see it in older people. Unless it’s psychological, which can start, like you said, at any time. So the removal of the plaque, I guess you’re kind of chipping away at it because there’s this Delta value of ‘I just feel so much better,’ but maybe there’s still something residual there. And then it’s being built up. I’m just wondering with something that takes so long to build up, but it comes back in a year or two, there’s something going on there with perhaps, the multiple treatments may get you down to the core where there’s nothing left. Do you eventually get there?

Mark White

Because we haven’t tested. Like there hasn’t been long term tests going decades looking at people.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

And we think there’s other things going on because there, you have atrophy, just normal atrophy as you age.

Kashif Khan

Mmhm. Yeah.

Mark White

You lose sensitivity, like your nerve vessels as you age. And so using some sort of regenerative treatment, whether it’s GAINSWave, which is the benefits are that it’s just noninvasive or you go with a P-Shot, or you go with exosomes or stem cells. What you’re doing is you’re just growing back, or you’re bringing back the original, like you’re just renewing the whole system. So–

Kashif Khan

From your experience, is there anyone that it hasn’t worked on? Like, is there a particular profile, particular problem where you say, well, this may not be the right thing for you?

Mark White

I think that’s a great question because this clinical studies show, it works for 80% of the people. The other 20%, it doesn’t work for. One of the benefits about seeing a GAINSWave practice is that they will screen out, they’re looking for, is it a psychological issue? They’re also, if it’s severe ED, where a guy hasn’t had an erection for five years, is diabetic and morbidly obese, we haven’t had great outcomes. Sometimes we believe it’s just that he hasn’t had enough treatments. Maybe he needs 18 to 24. But generally, things like, if everything else isn’t working, it’s not working if he’s had an implant in his penis, we won’t treat. And you also wanna look at hormone levels because so sometimes it’s just suboptimal hormones. But there is a subset of men, and typically it’s guys with severe ed or people with psychological reasons why they can’t get an erection that it doesn’t work best for.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. I think this is why, what you’ve done is incredible because you’re taking us sort of to the world through functional medicine so that the approach is holistic. Meaning that, it’s not– Typically with these types of problems, it’s like take the pill and hopefully you fix it. But the pill, isn’t the problem. That’s a bandaid and dealing with a clinician that can think for that root cause perspective and look at everything else and screen, like you said, whether it’s the right tool or not. I think that’s an amazing approach. The home use tools, I wasn’t clear, that’s something that you make or somebody else makes it?

Mark White

No, there’s a company out of California called Launch Medical that makes a device called the Phoenix.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Mark White

And they actually, the people who invented it are actually GAINSWave practices, and then they were creative enough to come up with a product called the Phoenix. They sell it direct to the public on a website called getmyphoenix.com. It’s a very low intensity device. They have to make it that way because they don’t want people to damage their penis. Most people, like if given a choice to do it yourself or to do it under a functional medicine doctor, we always recommend doing it under a functional medicine doctor. But like you said, there’s that embarrassment of seeing somebody. But they have a device and we have seen that it can work in some people.

Kashif Khan

Hmm. So just curious, who’s the, I don’t know if you even know this, the oldest person you’ve been able to help?

Mark White

The oldest person. So, we have hundreds of practitioners and they were with hundreds of patients. So, there’s tens of thousands of people who have done it. In our practice, we’ve had an 88 year old guy that did it and he got benefits.

Kashif Khan

88 Years old. Wow.

Mark White

88 Years old.

Kashif Khan

So typically at that age, it’s not even a consideration anymore. It’s like this part of me is now retired. And my life story is a little different.

Mark White

A lot of times as these guys, they have a younger girlfriend, and they have to keep up.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. That’s incredible at 88. And so how severe was it prior to the treatment?

Mark White

So I’m not involved on the clinical. We have our clinical team.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Mark White

And I don’t– I remember he told me the story, but he did not share with me like shin scores or any of the objective data that we collect to make sure he is a good candidate.

Kashif Khan

Okay. Well, the fact that at that age, that somebody can gain a benefit. That’s incredible. There’s hope, let’s say there’s hope for the future.

Mark White

Yeah. Just, I think as guys, it’s like, I have seen some funny stories and you’ll see guys that don’t have, you know, they’re not well off, you know, they’re blue collar guys and they, you know, they can’t afford a good car. They’re not working in the best job. But they will do anything to have a better erection. It’s very important. I mean, you know, if you look at Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, it’s, you know, like the ability to have sex is up there with eating, and you know, everything else, sleeping. It’s a desire that we have. So, you see guys that will treat this beyond doing anything else.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. And people don’t realize how important it actually is that you think of it as sort of pleasure. Right? And that’s really what it gets bucketed into. But if you look into the clinical work around, you know, people that don’t have a happy or, you know, existent, even sexual life, you name a chronic disease and it’s tied to it. You know, cardiovascular disease, cancers, obesity, fatigue, it’s part of biology, meaning that we’re designed for this function. And when we’re not doing it as per you know, regular cadence or frequency literally will affect your health. It goes far beyond me feeling good or, you know, getting the pleasure I want, you will get sick.

Mark White

One of our providers, GAINSWave provider up in Michigan, his name, Dr. Joel Kahn. He’s a cardiologist, but he’s a functional cardiologist. And he’s a very influential cardiologist. And he added GAINSave to his practice to your point. And he loves it because he says, when guys come in, first of all, it brings people into his practice. He’ll do a workup on them because if they have plaque down there, if they have plaque up here. And he’s told me dozens of times, he was able to treat people with cardiac disease and get them on a program feeling better. And he said that in one case, a guy would’ve had a, was likely to have a heart attack, didn’t even know about it. And the guy came into his practice looking for GAINSWave, ’cause again, guys will search out solutions if their penis doesn’t work, but they don’t really think about everything else that it takes to be healthy. And he saved the guy’s life.

Kashif Khan

That’s incredible. Yeah. Yeah. The connection to chronic disease. There’s, I mean, anyone can go out there and go watch YouTube video and learn, but there’s plenty of signs out there on, especially for I’ve read, especially for men, you know, as you age, it’s something you have to continue. You know? We understand that our hormone levels kind of drop, as a protective measure in some cases, because as you no longer need to be reproductive in making babies, you don’t necessarily need the hormones you needed. And so, as we age things like DHT and some of the more toxic hormone exposures get reduced. Same thing for women. Why do you go into menopause? Because you’re no longer reproductive, you know, and that the estrogen dominance and the estrogen toxicity that could lead to various illnesses. You wonder why that were designed to get into these hormone drop phases. 

What’s to give you sort of the avoidance of disease. But so, and this is why I really love what you’re doing because the solutions up until now, aren’t dealing with that natural flow of life, which is, there’s a reason why my hormone levels dropped. Right? My body’s trying to protect me from the potential fallout of maintaining for so many more decades, these toxic hormone loads, which could cause any number of problems, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer, et cetera. And so many people go out there and fill themselves up with hormones again, not knowing. And for some people it’s fine, but for some people it could equal the problem. We’re saying, there’s a way to go at it with, it’s supposed to adding, you’re removing, you’re getting rid of this blockage is calcification and just allowing blood to flow. Right?

Mark White

Yeah. And I think when we first saw the studies and we tried it in our practice, like we said, okay, let’s go out to the medical community and spread the word and find good providers. We also looked at like the urology community. And we went to some urology trade shows. And even though we have some really good urologists who became GAINSWave providers, it’s really a fraction because traditional healthcare, it’s all about like, basically I’m going to put band aids on all the symptoms that are created as you age.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Mark White

You’re still aging. There’s nothing you can do about it except getting old. And when a symptom comes up, I’ll give you a pill. And we saw that with urology, which was, I guess it shouldn’t have been surprising, but I think coming from the functional medicine world, it shouldn’t have been, but the functional medicine doctors, age management doctors, they really look at the whole holistic reasons of why we’re aging, from looking at your genes, to looking at your blood work, to treating you with anything other than pills. Making sure you’re supplementing, you’ve got great vitamin D levels, looking at really inflammation markers because inflammation and aging go hand in hand. And there are correlations to inflammation. And for sexual performance. You see higher C-reactive protein, higher markers of inflammation associated with ED, always. So, sometimes it’s just living a healthy lifestyle. There’s definitely a correlation between obesity and ED. So, you know, is one causing the other? You know, we don’t know. ‘Cause like we all know that’s a fallacy of assuming that correlation is causation. But just living a healthy lifestyle and seeing the proper functional practices, I think goes a long way to just extending life.

Kashif Khan

It makes a lot of sense. Yeah. If your metabolically unhealthy, metabolic disease is not the feeling that you get, it causes everything else, right? If you’re doing everything wrong, right? If you’re doing everything wrong, that’s that central hub for which all these folks start to poke through. One of them can be ED. One of them can be migraines, eczema, like who knows what’s gonna happen depending where you’re already, the cofactors of the plaque is built up and now I just need to be metabolic and healthy. And that leads to the ED. Right? So yeah, that core foundation of good health for everything supports it, but you’re, you know, then there’s the acute let’s deal with the problematic, you know, whatever that load is. And in this case, it’s plaque, it’s a plaque build up and the nerve stimulation and all that type of stuff. So that, that work you’re doing is awesome. Outside of– I’m only asking this because you, you know, you’ve done this sort of through clinics, any sort of tips outside of treatment or therapy, like top three, five things that you have seen people do that can just quickly do that are gonna shift and make a difference.

Mark White

For sexual wellness?

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Mark White

We work with a lot of providers. One of the providers is actually we have a sexologist in their clinic and some of the themes I’ve seen come up a lot is there’s this major addiction of porn that people get off the internet, seeing practices more and more of it. And like when I was growing up, I was lucky to find a Playboy. Now, I’m scared to see what my kid like, we’ve even given up on the issues, ’cause on your phone, you can find whatever,.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Mark White

That issue like, but the tip is like, take a look at like what you’re putting into your brain. ‘Cause a lot of it is psychological. So, you know, cutting back on foreign, I I think does go a long way to helping. And I’ve just heard that from a lot of people, going back to what we were talking about before living a healthy lifestyle, goes a long way towards having good sex, having a great relationship with your partner, having date nights and, and just rekindling that intimacy goes a long way. Making sure you have optimal hormone levels goes a long way. So I mean, there’s a lot of best practices, but I think it, it does start with being healthy or having this healthy attitude towards sex and not making it so taboo. And you have, and not going, you know, just not getting into that feedback loop and just having it be nice.

Kashif Khan

Hmm. Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And then you remind me of things like sleep, for example, you know, people that don’t sleep properly, don’t have the libido. Like you, you produce your hormones in your sleep.

Mark White

That’s where you also have sex too. So you can kill two birds with one stone. Yeah. And the thing is like with sleep, I use an aura ring. I track my sleep. Like, for me, everybody says you need seven to eight hours of sleep. And I read why we sleep recently, which is a fascinating book. And that’s where your body goes and heals while you have your deep sleep and your REMC, but just tracking slope is, is critical.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. To know what you even need to fix. You dunno. It’s broken. How do you fix it? Yeah. That’s awesome. So for the people listening, is it only available in the United States?

Mark White

Well, there’s so GAINSWave, we have providers in Canada, U.S, we have ’em in the Caribbean. There are in, in the UK, they have different devices over there that they use for treating erectile dysfunction. Like, so it’s not about the device you use. It’s about making sure the practice has been clinically trained and they’re following best practices for screening. Yeah. They can address it, but yeah, you can get this in other countries. We’ve had a lot of interest in people who want to create awareness in other countries, we see a lot in Australia. We see a lot in Europe. We’ve seen people reach out from us, believe it or not in the middle east. It’s it’s really big.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Mark White

We’ve got a lot of people reaching out in the middle east and then, and, and over there, I’m sure the talk of sex is even more taboo, but you have guys with many wives that wanna.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Gotta keep it going. I remember, you know, I’ll tell you a little story about a gentleman I met in UK, I went there for a trip and he showed up at this event I was at, and his role was his family was brought from south Asia, either India or Pakistan to the UK, as medical practitioners for the Royals. Right. So they had some, you know, level of science that was beyond what was locally available. And they gave them housing. They gave them everything and they were medicine, the doctors Royal. So he created some kind of cocktail that in his words, turned you into a jackhammer. And his role was he would actually be flown into the middle east to these houses. Like you said, where there was many, many wives and a little bit too much labor required. And he would sit there and I don’t know what the cocktail was, but it was something where he had to like clinically apply it. So I don’t know if it was an IV or something and he would be flying in for like a week or two and just allowing them to, you know, have their fun. And then he’d fly back home. We’ve moved, we’ve gone a long way from then. You know, it’s not no longer flying people around the world with the tube of some cocktail. And it’s awesome that you’re able to provide this to everybody.

Mark White

Yeah. Before the pandemic, we were, I did a business development trip to Dubai and met with some people who, who wanted to bring it there. And they were saying like over in the middle east, it it’s huge. Mainly because there is no really awareness around it, but the issue is, is larger. And I think that’s the most important thing is that this isn’t, you know, like I have providers who are in like the more conservative parts of the us and Mississippi, Oklahoma, Arkansas. And you’re like, well, I don’t know if we can talk about this here. And it’s, it’s, it’s like, it’s not what you say. It’s how you say it. But the demand is everywhere. It doesn’t matter what culture you come from. It doesn’t matter. You know what religion you come from, but having great sex and being intimate with your partner and, and having and rebuilding marriage is just so rewarding regardless of your culture.

Kashif Khan

Hmm. No, you’re right. People to remove the taboo and understand. It’s literally, I would, I would urge people to go research the health benefits and not only the health benefits, but also the more deleterious, like what’s, what’s problematic if you don’t have enough, like it literally what it does to your body and, and why we’re designed to do the way we, what we do. Right. And what happens if you don’t do it. So take some time and research that and learn how important it is beyond just the connection. Everything else, literally, it’s a form of therapy that you need to be doing. So Mark, this was awesome. It’s amazing what you’ve done and how you’ve made it a widely available to functional medicine practitioners. And everybody can get out there and get help in a way that’s truly root cause, which is what we love to talk about. Getting people off pills and getting them solutions as for why it’s happening, not what it is. And again, the work you’ve done is awesome. And thank you for joining us and sharing today.

Mark White

Thank you for giving me the platform. I really appreciate it.

Kashif Khan

Okay. Great. Talk to you, man. And we’ll see you next time.

Mark White

Thank you very much.