C60: A Special Space Molecule With Unique Benefits For You

Ken Swartz

Oh, I’m glad to be on and I hope I can give you some information to help people looking to SOL find solutions.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Willis First of all, let’s talk about how did you discover this molecule? How did you get into this? What got you started in developing this product?

Ken Swartz

What was working on a thing called the metal oxygen fusion reactor? And the thing is that like the people that studied this, it’s research, right? It was like the late Dr. This and the dead professor that you I didn’t want to end up in that category, especially my crew. You know, they had family. So I went searching for something that would be radiation protected. And I came across the stuff called Carbon 60. It’s scientific name is Buckminster Fuller. But everybody calls it C60. You know, that’s his nickname. And so I basically, you know, they gave one set of rats, the C60, the other set. The control group didn’t get any. They killed them with a fatal dose of radiation. Pretty much all the C 60 rats, literally all the control rats were immediately died. And so when I learned about that, I said, ha, that’s the stuff for us out a couple sources and we were using it during the experiment. And we’re all here, by the way, still. But the thing is, I kept using it after the experiment, you know, because like the brain fog went away. I had a little bit more mental clarity and you know that at the Bloor afternoon blog you get after you eat lunch, you know, you get let me go take a nap. That kind of went away. And so I kept taking it. But about seven months later, I went into my optometrist and the eye doctor and he and my Drew’s are dry macular degeneration had disappeared and he was really surprised because he’d never seen that happen before.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah, that’s impressive. You know, in the fibromyalgia community, I remember years ago when I first started treating fibromyalgia patients, there was a lot of studies going on back then. There’s still not that many now, unfortunately, but they did a study on juice plus and juice and, you know, and and, you know, it’s an antioxidant. You know, it’s these reactions. And I remember thinking, seriously, they’re going to do a study on juice plus, which is to me, not to step on anybody’s toes. It takes two years plus. I mean, it’s fine. 

But, you know, we got so many other things that are much more sophisticated antioxidants, CoQ10, Alpha acid, things that I had relied on. But you know what? They got some really good results. And that led to this connection that antioxidants, which we’d already known, were really helpful in reducing inflammation and pain. And we saw that. And we see that now. I mean, there’s studies, numerous studies that say that antioxidants can be incredibly helpful for fibromyalgia and particularly reducing inflammation pain and helping with mental clarity issues.

Ken Swartz

Yeah. So C60 is one of those basically it’s a little soccer ball shaped molecule. Let me just that seems like a they make sure everything’s here. There we go. I didn’t have my green screen clicker on because so it’s a little soccer ball shaped molecule sticky atoms and in basically was discovered in 1985 it solved a longstanding mystery in astronomy and then but they got a Nobel Prize in 1996 in chemistry. And but, you know, it was really hard to make. It’s still more expensive by way than goal. But so finally, we had enough to make it in the early 2000s. And they did just one of them as the famous Bob Tree study. And that was like a lifecycle of whisker rats. And they found that it increased lifespan 90% over controls, which was pretty surprising. And then since then, there’s been lots of but obviously you talked about the radiation study, but there’s a whole bunch of other studies, animal studies and we can’t we’ve posted we can post human based studies on our website, which is Shop C second. But there’s also another website called What is the Record? And that’s actually sponsored by a bunch of C60 companies. And kind of like an industry where you can see the animal and the human and other studies in kind of like and understand because like C60 is only effective. It is as dissolved as a dissolved molecule. It has no use as a particles, little nanoparticles or anything. It doesn’t have it has no health efficacy. So you have to make sure you get the right type of C60 for it to be effective.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

So as I mentioned, I recommended my patients take CoQ10 and similar to the formulas that I’ve prepared called the fibro formula any antioxidant really vitamin C, vitamin E, I mean, there’s multiple antioxidants out there. How does C60 compare to, say, something like CoQ10 or Alpha lipoic acid? Some of these heavy duty antioxidants that are out there?

Ken Swartz

Well, C60 is very specific. It’s described as a D totally mimic. And there’s basically four big endogenous antioxidants yourselves. Okay. Cocoa, you can supplement for that. And then there is, of course, lutathera. And there used to be difficulties, but now they have some liposomal type C good fire and that’ll get through your digestive tract and can be absorbed. And so you can do supplements for that. And then the other two are so D and catalase and there is no substitute for sodium correlation and especially in mitochondria function. 

So this is so super important and you know, people could do precursors, but, you know, it wasn’t very effective and it took a long time to do it. But C60 is an S so D mimic and so is superoxide dismutase and it deals with the superoxide, those damaging oxidative radical in the body and your mitochondria, the little furnaces that make your ATP have a lot of it. And so but it’s kind of unique because usually if you have a superoxide produced in the mitochondria, so superoxide just we just will turn that into hydrogen peroxide. And then catalase is another antioxidant in your system will turn that hydrogen peroxide into a water and oxygen molecule. 

And that kind of completes the cycle. And then of course, so D and catalase have to be, you have to have an enzyme and some ATP to reset them so they can do it again. Where C60 doesn’t need that, what C60 does it. C60 is unique and all the molecules in that it gets a slightly positive charge by not by releasing an electron into the environment, getting a little chemistry out of here. Well, by actually pulling a hydrogen ion and storing it inside of its cage like structure, that’s unique. No other molecule really does that. And so like when an SD is negatively charged and it’s attracted to the positively charged C60 and it’ll stick to it, and what happens is C60 just steals that electron, gives it to one of the hydrogen ions, which turns to hydrogen gas and just releases it back to being regular oxygen, which would go back to the Krebs cycle. And so that allows C60 resets off again and again and again without using burning, burdening the body chemistry, like using an ATP and an enzyme so it doesn’t all its own and which makes it. That’s why it’s characterized as several hundred times more powerful than conventional anti order. A.R. Toxins.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

We know with fibromyalgia that they have often have less mitochondria in the mitochondria that they have are dysfunctional. They’re not working correctly. Then we also have this paradigm that we’ve shared numerous interviews about the cell danger theory, the cyber survival paradox, where the mitochondria become overwhelmed and they shut down from what they perceive as a threat. And they can stay in that shut down and that shut, shut down position. But one of the things that really helps to turn that back around are antioxidants in particular mentioned glucose iron. So what you’re seeing with purple C60 is it’s really a more effective way or could be a more effective way from what you’re sharing with us to help with that process.

Ken Swartz

Yes. And one of the things C60 does, it also neutralizes the hydroxyl ion, and that’s basically a water molecule missing its proton. It’s got an active free electron there that likes a pure stuff up and C60 will neutralize that back into water. And that’s the only to oxidative radicals. Carbon 60 works with it doesn’t it doesn’t interfere with like nitrogen oxide or hydrogen peroxide or some based around sulfur and zinc, which your body uses as signaling molecules. 

And that’s really important because if they’ve done metal studies of like vitamin E and vitamin C and they found that they do not increase athletic performance because when you take too much vitamin E in vitamin C, then it starts interfering with the body’s signaling molecules, which then you start getting negative feedback effects. But because C60 selective, it only deals with the two of the most damaging oxidative radicals in the body the superoxide, another hydroxyl iron, and the body does not use those as signal molecules. There are two damaging so. So C60 is actually the only antioxidant known to increase athletic performance just.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Prior to due to hitting the record button. We were talking just chitchatting a little bit and you share with me this idea about your perception of fibromyalgia, which is very common, is that it’s a build up of toxins in someone’s life, whether we call that a cup or a bucket or whatever bear or whatever you do. And eventually those toxins, whatever they are, they can be environmental toxins, they can be mold toxins, they can be that stress, toxins, mental, physical stress, whatever it is. But something comes along and eventually these toxins spill over. And when they do, that’s where you start developing all these symptoms. And then the goal really is to try to figure out how to get some more space in your cup or your barrel so that you have a buffer to where it’s not spilling over creating these symptoms. And you share that you feel like that C60 is a way to be able to do that because it can counter that.

Ken Swartz

Yeah. I mean, a lot of the toxins I go back to consider in the story like the first, probably the most famous and pretty much the first study that really looked at that there was the battery study and you can go to what is his record and you can see it there. But basically they found that C60, you know, here’s a mysterious molecule found in outer space and in nature, like the wicked or candle, like 0.25% C60. So it’s around. But they basically, you know, you know, is it toxic, is it not? They give it to test animals. WISTAR Rats. And it increased their lifespan by 90%, but it took about five and a half years, which is a long time, in fact, that last year you see 60 rats having had a bad accident so they could do this, so they could publish the study. 

But during that five years, they did other studies about C60 and one of them that’s included in the paper is a study about liver damage in carbon tetrachloride. And if people out listening out there carbon tetrachloride, it’s a carbon with four chlorine atoms on it. It was used in the dry cleaning industry for many years and it’s extremely toxic and now it’s like a legacy toxin in the environment. Yeah, I think they banned it, but so they gave basically they gave, you know, the test. They gave one set of rats to see 60 rats got, you know, they got their C60 and the control rats. Good. Then they gave it like a really toxic level of carbon tetrachloride and the livers of the C60 rats were fine, whereas the livers and the control group were pretty damaged. 

So that’s the case. So if you’re, you know, your liver processing, a lot of toxins and those toxins break down, you know, superoxide and hydroxyl lions are commonly produced in the breakdown of toxic substances. And C60 neutralizes it, neutralizes them before they can cause damage. And that allows the body to process those toxins without with the liver, specifically without damage.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Unfortunately, it’s very common to see that my patients have elevated liver enzymes, either from a fatty liver or from, you know, probably due to medications that they’re taking. And, you know, with the right antioxidants, we can turn that around. So what you’re saying is C60 is a way to help with some of these conditions, that if you’ve got a chemical sensitivity, things that you, you know, smells, odors that you breathe and that’s a chemical. Or if you take something that’s supposed to put you to sleep and wakes you up, but if you know, you’re one of these people that’s, you know, has a chemical sensitivity, one of the ways to counter that is to help the liver be more effective, take the burden off the liver. And C60 is a means to be able to do that.

Ken Swartz

Yes. And as C60 says, somewhere between 4 to 10 days in the body, it’s a half life before it goes out. And on the way out, it either goes out to the kidneys or through the liver. So there’s always a generous amount of C60 in the liver, too, to help deal with toxins. And we’ve had people with improved kidney function and liver function after taking C60, you know, they had like one guy had a genetic condition supposedly and made his liver not function. But after taking C60, his genetic condition went away. And we had another lady, she had like 30% loss of kidney function and nephrologists said, Oh no, it’s never coming back. But after taking C60 for several months, she had 100% kidney function. So a lot of those things that they claim are incurable or can’t be fixed or genetic really are. Something more is going on.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

So since C60 affects the mitochondria, the power plant of the cells, we know that it can generate energy. You know, they can help give you that energy that’s missing in these folks. Can you talk a little bit about that process just what you’ve seen with some of your clients seeing that their energy’s kind of rebounded? Have they started to taking this product?

Ken Swartz

Oh, yeah. That’s the first thing that people notice when they take C60. And usually within a week, you know, we recommend people go through a whole bottle, takes a month to go through it, but like usually when the first week and one of the noticeable that’s kind of mental clarity comes back and also the brain fog kind of goes away. That’s the first thing people notice. And then a lot of other people notice loss. Some people take it and they haven’t incurable thing to go like clean the house and the motivation comes back and part of that is the return of the dopamine production because you know, you know, typically your body’s set up like if we have acute inflammation, right? You know, the let’s say twister anchor, right? It swells up. You get all the redness and all the pain. 

But also one of the things the body does is it suppresses dopamine production, which is the motivation molecule. Get you out of the bed in the morning because it does the body doesn’t want you running around with that angel, you know, causing more damage. And that’s just a natural and a good process. But when you got chronic inflammation, then that becomes a problem because, you know, you need to have that motivation to do everyday things. And so that’s one of the other things that people notice with C60. It usually takes a couple of weeks is that motivation level comes back up and and they start doing, you know, maybe part of the clean the house or the garage or are start doing hobbies and other things, maybe exercise routines they just haven’t done in months because the dopamine levels rise and now your that’s the motivation molecule and you kind of resume having a life.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

And it’s very common to see that dopamine is low in fibromyalgia. And that’s comes from years of poor sleep getting rundown, sometimes from taking medications and some of the side effects, those medications, but just having an illness that people don’t understand. So anything you can do that can generate get that dopamine level up which is our feel good drive, ambition, zip pain, walk or as you mentioned, we certainly have antidepressants out there that can help with that. But the antidepressants are like a gasoline additive. 

They don’t make dopamine and they have potential side effects. Ironically, some antidepressants can cause anxiety and depression. They also can cause diffuse achy pain and brain fog and poor sleep. And many of the symptoms that we see in fibromyalgia. So, you know, if you’ve got an option like something like C60, that’s all natural. It’s certainly worth a look at to see if you can benefit from. And it’s not an end all be all. We talked about this previously in our interview, but it’s a piece of the puzzle that can really generate some reduction in some of the symptoms and help you get on the right track so that you can make some other steps that would help you in your you know, you’re in your quest to feel good.

Ken Swartz

Yeah, I can talk a little bit. One of the things that C60 does, of course, you would start with laundry function and you know, mitochondria make ATP, which is the energy molecule. So it’s like 95% of cellular metabolism is based on that. And it also mitochondria make precursors for RNA and beginning synthesis, which is very important for building proteins and repairing, you know, the DNA and such. But also mitochondria make DNA law, which is the precursor molecule for all the hormones. Yeah. So that’s another, I guess you call a side effect of C60 is when you take it your hormone levels will rise. 

But all across the board, so you get more melatonin, you get better sleep, you get more human growth hormone and all the other master hormones in the pituitary hypothalamus complex. And then also in your drills, you know, they produce three types of which is a hair counter indication. Your ring up, you’ve got glucocorticoids which help regulate the blood, but you also have mineralocorticoid. And this is one of the things we found was C60 was C60 restarts mineralocorticoid production in the adrenals. And so if you’re on a blood thinner, you know, the underlying cause of your blood being bought sick goes away. And if you’re on a blood thinner, then your blood could become too thin because the underlying problem went away. So if you are in a blood thinner and what do you see? So you need to consult with your doctor and just probably get more testing done. And to a certain extent that also when the androgens return it can have effects and the androgens are converted into testosterone, estrogen and progesterone, whatever is that that, you know, happens. And so like a typical case, we have a seven year old guy, he’s got testosterone at 350, which is kind of low. So the doctor puts him on creams, is in the low seven hundreds and then he takes he 60 and he goes into the doctor for his, you know, biannual testing. And his testosterone levels are 1200. So the doctor takes him off screen. So that’s another thing. C60 kind of just but it raises hormone levels uniformly across the body, not it’s not like hormone replacement therapy. So if you are on one of those things, you might just want to do a little extra testing because the underlying problem could go away with C60. And and so you just need to be aware of that, that that can happen.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

In several interviews, we’ve shared the fact that with fibromyalgia they have a dysfunction of the HP axis, hypothalamus, pituitary, adrenal. And this is exactly what you’re you’re talking about. I see across the board that they’re low in DHEA and the precursor that is pregnant. And we see the DHEA is low cortisol levels, which are, you know, give us give us that ability to handle stress. The stamina, resiliency to stress is low. And because of that, these folks are they’re they’re vulnerable to what we call fibro flares, where they where they do have a day. If they have a day where they feel good and, you know, they clean the house or do something that they normally can’t do, then they have a fibro flare. They’re in bed for two or three days because they haven’t built up that stamina and builds up that stamina. Some of the hormones you’ve actually just mentioned.

Ken Swartz

Yeah. And also, yes, C60 is known in the athletic world, which is it’s like the only antioxidant which can increase athletic performance. And so things like DOMS delayed onset muscle soreness that people get because when your mitochondria are your super exercising, your mitochondria are just producing ATP and they’re also spewing out super oxides, hydroxyl ions and other things. And, so if you see sixties America neutralize those before they cause damage. 

So, you know, instead of having DOMS as two days after exercise, you feel that soreness. And so people that take C60, they notice you know and there’s there’s also right after exercise and so waiting for hours for recovery you know you recover in an hour and that and then if you’re an athlete that works out that gives you a lot more hours back into your day that you don’t usually know.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, tell me a little bit about how C60 or what role it plays in the immune system, because that’s that’s big. That’s a big that’s big.

Ken Swartz

Okay. And human on our Website, we can post human testing studies. And one of them, of course, is a study on you. Obviously, you can’t experiment on people. That’s a little unethical, but in certain levels. But they can do it on cells in vitro in the tester, basically. And one of them was the mast cells. It released the histamines, which caused the whole allergic reaction. They found that C60 would moderate the release of histamines from mast cells in human mast cells, and that and a lot of people to take C60 them as their allergies, low levels go way down. They’re not gone and they’re just a lot less, much lower. 

And that actually went to an animal study where they had animals that would go into alpha lactic shock when exposed to some substance and the animals that got the C60 didn’t go into prophylactic shock when they were exposed to the toxin. So that’s and they’re not really sure exactly what’s going on in the metabolism. The cell. One of the things is, you know, if these immune cells have malfunctioning mitochondria, they may have dysregulation in their actions. And so maybe just because one of the things C60 does, it basically drives things for homeostasis. That’s basically it just makes it lifts the ox. It doesn’t cure or prevent disease. It lifts the oxidative burden the cells are under. And once the oxygen burden is gone, then the cells can operate more efficiently the way they kind of were meant to be.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, you mentioned allergies, so that’s a biggie with so some folks have a thing called mass cell activation syndrome. And we’ve had some presentations in the summit about that, something that’s generated this histamine reaction, which, you know, an over an overabundance of histamine can create pain, create anxiety and depression, and certainly can create allergic reactions, whether it’s wheezing or something in your gut or a migraine headache. So this is an opportunity to use something that’s natural rather than a prescription that can really help to tone down that histamine reaction.

Ken Swartz

Yeah, I think that’s probably yes, part of it. And one of the other thing people notice that we’ve had a lot of people, people with gut issues, you know, they don’t know what they call a Crohn’s leaky gut. There’s like, you know, a dozen descriptions of it, but people take 60 of their they have a lot of gut repair health. And we think we kind of have a mechanism all kind of describe the mechanism for he was actually one of the Sisco studies. They had rabbits. They gave rabbits arthritis. And Sisco is known as a great anti-inflammatory. So not surprisingly, the injected C60 into the rabbits joints and the inflammation that went down. But then when they later examined the joints, they found actually that the cartilage had regrown in the joints. And that’s and that’s and so it goes on. And also that the other first human study was a cream they put C60 in cream in Japanese women and the Japanese were applied topically on the face and to reduce lines and wrinkles in Japanese women. 

And it took a while, but we figured out kind of in the background, what they found is there’s a lot of cells in our body. They’re called senescence cells or zombie cells. They basically they have damaged DNA. So they can’t really function. They can’t reproduce, but they don’t want to die. There usually goes apoptosis. Apology will kill them off and then they’re replaced, but they don’t. So they go into the fermentation mode and the way they do that is basically stop providing antioxidants to mitochondria. We have to go in the fermentation mode too. And so from a net fermentation was like 1/20 as efficient as oxygen burning the Krebs cycle, but it also produces, you know, alcohols and other toxins. 

So those senescent cells start poisoning the cells around them. And what they find is when people take C60 that C60 is uptake in by those senescent cells and it, it, it basically turns on the Krebs cycle in the mitochondria and, but also mitochondria will send messages to the nuclear DNA of the cell and in the senescent cells they will not get the right message back and they will actually self-destruct and cause apoptosis of that senescent cell. And so one of the things that we also mystery, because a lot of people that had taken C60 for a long time, their telomere length had significantly increased, which but was kind of mysterious what was going on. But what’s happening is basically C60 goes in there, it kills off the senescent cells, the zombie cells, and then now your tissue or body doesn’t have as many, you know, cells. 

The functions of messages go out. We need more stem cells and then the stem cells come in and replace those missing cells. And since stem cells have a full set of telomeres, then the average telomere length of your cells increases, which explains that. And we have on the front range in Colorado, we have a lot of people, a lot of stem cell treatment centers here. And we saw that we have some of our customers going there like we had a seven year old guy goes in after taking C60 60 for a few months and you know, they pull the blood and they come rushing in. So you get 20 million stem cells. This is one of the highest counts we’ve ever seen. And and so and that’s, you know, part of 60, 60. We used to have a Russian billionaire right still around. He used to get five or six blood draws just to get enough stem cells to do a treatment. But now he just does one blood draw. So that’s one of the consequence of C60 increasing stem cell levels. Which of course that explains the Japanese women, because you need more stem cells to keep, you know, the replacement of your skin cells, which if you don’t have enough, it causes wrinkling. So if you have stem cells, wrinkling goes away. And that’s kind of the whole secret there.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. And I think in medicine that’s where we’re going. Everything’s going towards stem cells, whether that’s a heart condition, whether that’s some type of traumatic accident injury, you know, sports injury, that’s where we’re headed, cancer. We’re heading with, you know, stem cell therapy telomeres. So the length of telomeres associated with longevity is there when they quit. Yeah. So folks know what you’re with your biochemical research, you know, brain Q I.

Ken Swartz

Go a little science. Yeah.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. That’s okay. I love to talk to you too. I have to be real careful not to go off on that tangent, but. But the length of the telomere will dictate longevity. So the longer the telomere, the longer you live. And so anything you can do to increase that is, is it helps your vitality, helps your life.

Ken Swartz

Yeah. So especially these are tough now there’s other antioxidants generally slow down telomere shrinkage and telomeres are just like little DNA. It’s like on the end of a rope that prevents it from fraying on your chromosomes. They’re just like those wrapped around. And if they get too thin, your chromosomes unravel. And then the cell is basically nonfunctional in that sense. And so you want to get rid of cells like that and they’re replaced by stem cells. And when we’re younger, that happens faster. But as we get older, that’s it slows down. So anything that can help more stem cells will help that rejuvenation process and which is good.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Are there any C60 knockoffs? I mean, this is an incredible product. There’s got to be good people out there that are trying to produce something similar. Now, I know the answer to this, but I would love to help. But I wanted to share that because I think, you know, people sometimes will look for another product for whatever reason. I think it’s important to point out that there’s really only one C60 and for a reason.

Ken Swartz

Oh yeah. And when the C60 market was small, everybody in it made a quality product for their customers because they in their families used it right? Then C60 became popular. We got all of these fly by nighters, jump in the market and it’s kind of like the way the CBD market is. But there’s basically three things you want to look for in a C60, but you want to make sure the product is sublimated or sometimes they call it sublime, but sublimation is from, if you remember, from chemistry class. It’s when a solid turns into a gas, then back into a soul. So it’s like distillation. It’s a way to make a real pure product. And so when they put the basic the C60 in production houses in the sublimate air heated up to 40 degrees Celsius. The C60 vaporizes floats to the other side and condenses. And that’s how you get 99.99% or 99.98%. 

It’s just makes a very pure quality product. And that’s what you want. You want sublimated, sublime and 99.99% or really? I like that. Unfortunately, a lot of the C60 produced today is produced through solvents, primarily methyl benzene, which is a known carcinogens, also known as I told you. So they’ll dissolve the C60 and then they’ll basically, you know, they dissolves it, then they purify it, and then they basically boil off the toilet bean. Then they have to oven bake it again and again and again to get up to, you know, 99.99% thing. But there’s always a little of boiling in there. But a lot of guys in the market there, they’re putting like 99.5% C60 in the product or 99.9% C60 in the product. You have to read the fine line. 

Well, that 0.1% of that 0.5%, that’s totally nuts. Methyl benzene, that’s something, you know, is a toxin that you don’t want it to work out you can solve to avoid that. And then the second thing we want to do is put it in the type of oils we put our C60 in, like the Goldilocks of oils, olive oil. Obviously, we all know that, you know, it’s not a mediterranean diet. But in fact, when I first got C60 in the research, you know, when I was running the Moxie Fusion Reactor, everything was an olive oil. But I’m kind of sensitive. So if I took like an extra dose of, you know, olive oil, like, I might have to go visit the bathroom after a while. 

So I started putting it in an avocado oil, which is much more easily digestible. And then also, once I learned my macular degeneration went away, I talked to my electrical engineer on the project and Gary Rodriguez, and he had developed severe wet macular degeneration. We used to be able to post the pictures we had like heinous lesions on the inside of his eyeball. But I made a preparation in my coconut oil. And for people listening, MSI means medium chain triglycerides, and your liver can turn those into ketosis very quickly. And now you’re now your cells can use them as a flex fuel because Rodriguez type two diabetes, that’s kind of one of the things that caused the macular degeneration or promoted it. And so after taking a tablespoon of MCT oil of C60 and MK2 all for a year, his wet macular degeneration completely disappeared along with his Type two diabetes. He went subclinical. He still can. He’s still going to watch his diet, do all the things to exercise the sleep. And that’s one thing I want to say, too. C60 is not the magic pill. It’s C60 really lifts the oxygen burden your cells are under so that they can do the job. It’s like maybe the quality of your car, right? If your car’s got the right color, it’s going to stay cool. Everything’s going to run. But you still got to put the right gas in it. You’re going to have the engine oil. You don’t have all those other things. And so, you know, it’s C60 is just one tool in the tool kit for good health, but you have to have all those other tools if you really want to get to that level.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, this has really been an interesting conversation. Every time we talk, I always, you know, really learn something new about this product. And I’m a big fan of the product. I’ve had patients relate to me how much they enjoyed being on it. I like being on the product. I really like it. And I think that anything you can do to help lighten the burden, lighten this toxic load with an antioxidant, and in particular this antioxidant that covers so many bases. There’s so many things in a way that’s unique to other antioxidants. I think it’s certainly worth researching and a look at to see if this could benefit you. I encourage you to check it out.

Ken Swartz

Yeah, I think. Yeah, it’s just one tool in the toolkit for good health, but it’s an important one. And I’m sure you don’t talk with all your listeners and all the other important things people need to do because fibromyalgia is a syndrome. Like you said, it’s not easy. It’s, you know, it’s not it’s not one cause. It’s not one cure. It’s, you know, it comes from multiple, multiple sources. And that kind of leaves it with multiple things you’ve got to do to make it become less.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

But this is another therapy, another thing that you can add and see if you benefit. And if you do, there’s, you know, no side effects to it. So it’s something that you can stay on and feel good about. So, Ken, thanks so much for sharing. Thanks for developing this product. I think it’s an incredibly beneficial product that’s really a unique product, something that came from out of space that we’re using here on the planet Earth now to help people with their health. What a story. So thank you so much for being on here and sharing your knowledge.

Ken Swartz

Okay. Glad to be on.