Combining EBOO + Methylene Blue + Light Therapy

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. Well, I know that we have a shared passion in that. And, I had heard your name over the years and then I recently, the last few months, listened to you on a podcast with Dr. Pompa and I was like, “I need to talk to Dr. Yoshi.” Because I really feel that some of the things that you’re integrating and doing, as I mentioned in the intro, really can be some more elegant treatment modalities to really move our patients and give them the momentum. I don’t know about you, but we see so many people, right? And they’ve been each patient story, right? They’ve been through such to journey and by the time they get the right diagnosis and they understand what’s wrong with them, it’s also this path of getting better and finding the right treatments. And, I’ve always been, I say, on this quest to find the most elegant path to healing. How do we shorten that time period up and then we get people back to their lives? So, I felt when I was hearing you speak, these tools, really can help us shift our patients in the way that we want.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, that’s the goal.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. So, before we dive into the topics we’ll explore, I just wanna hear a little bit about your background. And for those who are listening, who might not know about your work, just to how you got into this and really what you do.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, awesome. Again, thank you for having me speak. I am very healthy myself overall, but I definitely have a number of family members who have kind of gone on their little hero’s journey. And so, my brother, he had spinal meningitis when he was young, so he was always dealing with brain issues, seizures growing up. He ended up passing away from a seizure. My father passed away from ALS in 2015. So, again, there’s kind of that neurologic brain metabolism issue going on. And then my mom has had chronic Lyme probably since I was born in 1980. So, that’s kind of my whole family, lot of issues, lot of health issues. 

And then, so I started my practice in 2011, quickly realized that integrative medicine was really the way to go very quickly. And so, have just been on learning adventure with my patients. And, I just find learning more, it’s a passion of mine and I think our patients feel that and to be part of an experience together is so healing, because that doctor-patient relationship is obviously a huge part of the healing process. And, kind of segue into, my mother-in-law was diagnosed with idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis. 2017, maybe it’s been already, which is basically a deteriorating condition until you get a lung transplant and, or die. Slow scarring of the lungs. And so, we’ve been able to both through integrative medicine, as well as she has a more traditional pulmonologist. 

She is on Ofev, this kind of standard medication. But, through the regenerative medicine and the allopathic approach, we’ve really totally stabilized her. But, when this pandemic started, and especially in the beginning, when I did not know truly what was going on, it was what other tools could I add into my toolbox that I don’t already have in case my mother-in-law gets hit, right? And so, that’s where a quest, a six month quest to kinda put this thing together, which we’ll be talking about more, the EBOO. I call it, O3D ’cause it’s a little bit more than just EBOO in our office. So, we call it the O3D energizer. And since starting to do that on patients near the last quarter of 2020. Yeah, so it’s been a year and 1/2 already that we’ve been doing. And so, we’ve done hundreds and hundreds of these treatments and it’s been a real awesome opportunity to help people move the needle, right? It’s always about risks versus benefits and how much is a particular treatment really gonna move that needle, right? Is it worth it? Is it gonna be worth it? And so, yeah, that’s where we are now.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Awesome. Well, thank you for sharing your story. And it’s through that firsthand experience that I have a ton of compassion. ALS is still really such a hard diagnosis to understand and really reverse. And, your father’s story, and your brother, and your mom and your mother-in-law, and, of course, all your patients led to this innovation, right? On how do we get better? How do we understand this from a deeper level and be more innovative with our tools? So, now, I’m grateful that they’ve inspired you. And as you mentioned, you came up with this treatment and you’re calling it O3D, ozone dialysis energizers. So can you break this down? What are we talking about?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, let’s do that. All right. So, real quickly, have you had another speaker talk about ozone?

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I believe that Dr. Eric and Dr. were touching on it, but not in this lens at all. Yeah. Feel free to be, yeah, just introductory too. I mean, a lot of people know about ozone, but I think there’s still misconceptions or people don’t quite understand it, so please share your knowledge around that.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, okay, all right. I didn’t wanna repeat what someone else had already said. So, there’s a lot of ozone therapies. There’s a lot of different types, and it kind of goes from procedures that one can do in their own home, which I’m a huge fan of people getting their own home ozone kit and doing those procedures such as rectal ozone, or vaginal ozone, or ear insufflation. That is a wonderful therapy, it be done at home under the right directions, right? And then we kind of move into a medical ozone, where you would go into a doctor’s office and receive an intravenous ozone. And are the most common form of that. There is direct ozone where you can inject it straight into a vein. 

But, probably the more common version in the United States is major autohemotherapy where you basically take some blood out, you put it into a bag and then you inject some ozone into it, you kinda mix that up, and then you let it drip back into you. And so, that’s called again, MAH, for short or major autohemotherapy. And, it’s a phenomenal therapy. Sometimes people will drip that through certain types of light. So, you’re adding photons to the mixture. Super wonderful therapy. And then there’s kind of the next step up, which is called 10-Pass. That’s what most people are calling it, 10-Pass. And that is a different type where your blood is basically being sucked out, mixed with ozone under hyperbaric pressure, and then drained back into you. And someone could do one pass of that all the way up to 10 passes of it. 

And that’s another very profound and awesomely effective therapy for most people. And then, I think this newer type, I call it the crème de la crème. I’m sure there will come a better version of it at some point, hopefully so. But currently, this crème de la crème of ozone therapy sometimes is referred to as EBOO or EBO2 to for extracorporeal blood oxygenation and ozonation. Okay? And so, the idea is you’re taking blood out of your body, it’s being ozonated outside of the body and then drained back into you. Now, with O3D, we’re basically taking this through a filter. And so, we have a blood pump, we insert one arm, blood is coming out, it’s going through this filter, and then it drains back into the other arm optimally. Now, this filter is amazing because it’s kind of doing two things. And I think the most important thing is that it’s adding on this huge surface area for ozone to affect the blood, right? And because this filter has, I dunno how many tiny straws, but hundreds, if not thousands of tiny straws and each of those straws, you can think of the straws having a hundreds and thousands of little holes in it. 

And so, the blood is going up outside of the straw, meanwhile, ozone is kinda doing this cross current thing where it’s going down. And so, you get this huge surface area where blood and ozone are just mixing. And, it’s profound because we are able to get so much more ozone into the body. So with MAH, a typical ozone dose, I’m gonna use approximate numbers, but basically approximately two milligrams of ozone would be going into the body. Sorry, that’s approximately 10 or 12 milligrams. With a direct ozone injection into the vein, that’s around two to three milligrams. With an MAH, the major autohemotherapy, that’s around 10, 12 milligrams of ozone on average. With 10-Pass, if you do the 10 full 10 passes, you’re getting somewhere in the ballpark of 120 milligrams of ozone. With the O3D, with a full treatment, you’re getting basically double that, about 220 to 250 milligrams of ozone. 

So, you can see you can get so much more ozone into your system. The cool part about it is that we can do it continuously and it a low gamma. So, we’re not trying to push in as much ozone really quickly as possible, it’s this slow, steady for 30, 40, 60 minutes, however long you really wanna make it the treatment. But, it’s this slow, steady slow injection of ozone that’s just gently oxygenating and ozonating the blood. And so, people tolerate it very, very well. And, that’s one of the things that makes this a special therapy. There’s not a lot of herxheimer reaction, there’s not a lot of detox reaction. 

Sometimes I think in the integrative world, we call things herxheimers, when it’s actually doing some harm, it’s not true herxheimers, we’re actually giving too much ozone, right? That is possible. The poison is in the dose, right? So, and that’s true, whether you’re talking about ozone, or any nutraceutical, or natural drug, or allopathic Western medicine drug, right? And the other part of the filter is that you’re actually taking some inflammatory proteins out of the blood as well. And I believe that that is so contributing to people tolerating this therapy so, so well. So, people are just walking out, they’re feeling good, and there’s very few people are having a negative reaction. 

Now, having said that, sometimes when we add so much energy into this system, you can get this temporary fatigue. If you walked in at an energy level of just arbitrarily say here, if your energy level did go down for the day of treatment, even the day after treatment, everybody, what we’ve seen is a day or two or three later, they’re way higher than they ever have been, or have been in a long time. Do you want me to talk about the actual specifics of what ozone does in the the body?

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah. No, this is an excellent explanation and you’re painting a great picture and I’d love to go there. And maybe we do the filtration again, afterwards, ’cause what I’m super excited about is, of course, this increased ability to get more ozone in the blood and more of the blood exposed to ozone. I think that’s definitely having a profound effect that I want you to share more about. The thing that really intrigues and excites me too is the filtration process, because I think that is this kind of added effect, not only for getting these inflammatory products out of the circulation, but if you wanna even dive in, at this point, do you feel you have information that it’s filtering anything else out? I haven’t taken a course yet myself, but I’ve seen some doctors talk about the potential of it filtering out mycotoxins, or heavy metals, or viral proteins, or so forth. So, I’m just curious if you wanna add anything to the filtration, ’cause, I think, these two aspects make this a really, as you said, the crème de la crème of the treatments we have available right now.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah. And so, it’s definitely pulling proteins out. Now, in full disclosure, I’ve tried to check in with a number of labs where I could send more samples out, I’m still working on that, because I would love to see some data in my own hands of my own patients to really know truly what is being taken out. So, as of right now, we can kinda surmise what would be taken out just based on the filters’ qualities, right? How many kilodaltons or things, what the cutoff is in terms of the size, right? And so, there are definitely the potential that those things that you mentioned are being taken off. I wanna be very careful that I don’t wanna over promise or overstate what is being taken off, so I don’t wanna say exactly what is coming off. I know that some beta2 microglobulin, which is an inflammatory protein is coming off. 

What I’m actually having fun doing right now is looking into different filters so that I can give a more clear and defined answer. In my office, we will be playing around testing different filters because I think there’s a huge potential to really, even more make each of these treatments more individualized to the particular person, right? Are they coming in with microtoxin as kind of one of their main illnesses, or are they coming in with Lyme, or both, or is it more of a heavy metal issue, or is it some other auto immune condition? Right? It’d be lovely to be able to say, “Hey, let’s take off “more cytokines.” Or, “Let’s take off more biotoxins.” Right? Or, “Let’s try to get some bacterias “out of the system or some fungus.” So, I think that’s a huge area, a huge potential area to make this therapy even better. So, I’m in the process of doing that,-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Great.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

But not yet ready to make it more defined.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, yeah, Yeah, definitely. And I’m sure you have probably some clinical observations and insight. But yeah, as with anything, right? I feel the illnesses are ahead of our time and the treatment strategies, we have to be on the cutting edge and innovative to get people better before we have the 100 million research facility helping support all of this. And I have had the experience, I don’t know if you’ve connected with the Germans. There’s a Doctor, Dr. Straube, he created this apheresis technology that now is called the INUSpherese, it’s a model. So, I have some friends in Switzerland doing this treatment and I’ve had patients go through it. And it’s very different than this, but I think there’s some similarities, ’cause that treatment’s not available in North America. 

So, how do we look at that? And they use a lab called of IGL labs, and I don’t know if it’s available yet in the U.S., but I’ll give that to you, Dr. Yoshi, offline too. But anyone who’s listening, they can look at this lab and the printout. So, I had a patient recently go to this clinic in Switzerland called Alpstein and do the INUSpherese. And then they they’ll measure, which I know that you’re getting excited about the possibility in measuring what comes out, what’s in that bag of the alley water, the filtering and filtrate. And they have the IGL labs, actually. I look at this list and it’s mercury, ochratoxin A, glyphosate, all the things we know that were, I think, every day humbled by how much our bodies hold of these things. And so, I’m a naturopath and I very much trust our ability to detoxify, and drain the lymph, and drain the extracellular matrix. 

But this patient too, I mean, he’s in the 70s, but he’s done probably dozens and dozens of chelation treatments. So, for us to think about, okay, that’s great and we have that. I’ve only been practicing 11 years, but my sense is for the modern terrain. This type of therapy is, again, going back to that word, thinking one of the most elegant ways to get the body less burden by the things that we can’t control at this time.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, awesome. And, I will look into that lab too.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, and I’ll connect you with them. They’re great people.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

That would be great.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, so,-

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Thank you.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Team effort, right?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, that’s how multiple minds are always-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Oh, totally, yeah.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

I wanna make this type of therapy as affordable for as many people as possible. That’s another huge thing for me. I don’t think this should be a-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Elitist kind of.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Elitist, yeah.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

And so, we’re just trying to bring that down and so we can help more people.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Totally. And I think that with this type of therapy, we have definitely the potential to do that. And, I know ethically, it’s we’re in the middle of a paradigm shift, right? Of how we approach health and how accessible and affordable. But, I believe in our lifetime and our career, that the thing that we’re in these pocket niche, only a dozen people in the country know how to do, I do think, in a weird way, COVID and what we’ve gone through will open up, but this is gonna be more and more mainstream. But we just have to keep doing what we do every day as the world shifts, right?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Exactly.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

No big deal, right? But no, I appreciate you going into the filter, ’cause that’s just my clinical intuition. I think this is just gonna be such a fantastic tool for us. So, anyone who’s listening to, I think sometimes we get or patients can get discouraged really easily or they’ve tried a lot of things and they haven’t seen the results. And, these types of conversations, I want people be inspired and feel hopeful. We’re always trying to move the needles, we’ve been saying, to make things work for those people who need it so much. So, no, thank you. And well, why don’t we go into ozone? So we’re getting the filters doing all sorts of things that science is gonna show us soon, but we’re not there yet. But, we do know a lot about ozone, right? So, what in your clinical experience is the ozone doing for these patients?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah. So, first, I’ll just kind of bring it back to the real physiology of what really going on at the cellular level. Too much exercise is bad, too much ozone is bad. But when we give a kind of mild to moderate burst of ozone, it turns on something called the Nrf2 pathway, which basically improves our body’s ability to create its own antioxidants. So, we’re upregulating the superoxide dismutase, the glutathione in our body, the heat shock proteins. And so, instead of taking a bunch of antioxidants, your body’s actually making those, right? That’s kind of a way to think about it. Versus when we give a stronger push of ozone into the body, when we give this kinda moderate to severe introduction of ozone into the body, we’re really turning on the NF Kappa beta two or NF Kappa beta pathway, which actually, it’s kind of a hermetic thing that’s going on, where we’re creating more inflammation in the body, kind of like exercise. 

When we exercise, when we pump iron, we’re breaking down the muscle so that then our body can actually create newer, more strong muscle, right? And so it’s kind of we’re creating this temporary inflammatory burst so that it can push our body to create a better overall system. Ozone also acts on the blood, the red blood cells, to make it phenomenally more healthy. It makes the red blood cells more flexible, it allows the red blood cells to offload the oxygen that they’ve been carrying to the lungs to offload it better at the tissue level, so wherever that red blood cell is going, it’s actually oxygenating your body better. Ozone in the blood increases metabolism, which actually on a little side note, that’s about the only side effect from this treatment that we’ve seen. It increases metabolism so much that people have gone hypoglycemic for this treatment. 

So, it’s truly the only side effect that we’ve seen. If someone’s metabolically flexible, meaning they intermittent fast, they’re probably gonna be fine. But for the average person, we just have them eat a meal, eat a well balanced meal an hour or two beforehand and it just totally takes away that issue. But it is neat that it’s kind of a good thing because it shows how much it speeds up metabolism, right? But it’s also a very simple thing to overcome. So, ozone, in the long run, it decreases the inflammation if it’s too high. And if your immune system is down too low, it’ll actually increase the kind of the inflammatory and immunomodulatory cytokines to elevate if too low. I say it balances the force in our body, because that’s really what it does. 

Now, there’s also, so the different gamma or the different ozone concentrations that are introduced into the body. I’m gonna kind of make it very simple, but when you do up to 20 gamma, you’re really focusing more on the mitochondria, okay? Mitochondria, for those who are not aware, mitochondria are the little energy batteries in our cells, right? And it’s the whole reason we eat food and breathe oxygen is so that our mitochondria can take the oxygen and electrons from our food to make ATP or energy. It’s the currency of energy in our body, right? And so, using the lower ozone concentrations or lower ozone gamma is very good for the mitochondria. And then when you start raising that up, you start affecting more of that antioxidant system than you can bring autoimmune conditions back into balance. And then at the higher doses of ozone, you’re really looking to fight infections. 

You bring those into balance. So, that’s kind of what the ozone does at the cellular level. Now, in terms of what we’re actually seeing, it raises energy in patients. We’ve had, gosh, so many wonderful examples from arthritis, chronic fatigue, mold, Lyme, for sure. Probably a month ago, we had a guy who… We don’t do live blood cell analysis, I’ve always kind of wanted to learn it, but there’s so many things to learn. I can’t do it all, danging it. But he goes to his live blood cell analysis person and he’s a mold, Lyme person and he’s had many years. And he says his live blood cell analysis is just better than it’s been in forever. Same, I just had a woman last week, same situation. I think she’s not Lyme, but she’s biotoxin, person with mold and biotoxin illness and her live blood cell analysis looked really bad. 

She actually got COVID and then she did the O3D energizer here and I think two sessions have brought her blood back to better than it was before she actually got COVID, which it’s just really cool as these stories kind of start to come back, it’s not just our anecdotal experience. It’s neat to see outside practitioners kind of verifying that. Definitely seeing effect on blood lab levels of HSCRP, so, high sensitivity C-reactive protein, which is kind of a general inflammation marker in the body. High in a lot of people, definitely seen objectively where this therapy has brought that down in a number of people. It goes on and on. I mean, vaccine side effects, people are getting a great benefit from it.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

And post COVID, right?. I mean, you mentioned post COVID.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Absolutely.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

During and post. Absolutely. During COVID, it has done profound things to the point where if these things were available in the ER, it just wouldn’t be an issue, right?

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

We’re gonna get there.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, I hope so. We’ll have to create that reality.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

new hospital, right?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yes, yes. Bringing O2 saturations up definitely happens. But then the cool part is people leave and it remains up. So, that O2 saturations,-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Awesome.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

An hour later, they’re even higher than they were right after the treatment. And it holds the next day and the next day. So, it’s not like oxygen where you’re just wearing it and the moment you have oxygen on, it raises your oxygen and then the moment you take it off, it decreases, right? Now, this is doing profound healing processes in the body to really move the needle. Post COVID, I mean, there’s such a metabolic issue that’s going on. And so, this just, again, speeds up the metabolism. And we haven’t even touched on the methylene blue yet.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Which we add in. So, kind of after the filter, we add in the methylene blue and then run it through a full light that includes UVC, UVB, UVA, the full visible light spectrum as well as infrared light. And-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Do you do that with your photonic sleeve? Or do you have a Weber? Or how do you apply the light with the methylene blue? I’m I’m just curious.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah. So we put a little red light kind of right after the blood goes back into the arm. We put a little red light right there. And then we also have a red light crown as well.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Oh, good.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

So we do red light at 660 wavelength. Methylene blue responds very well to really the full light spectrum, but especially well to 665, I think is the peak in terms of the red light that it responds to, that it gets extra activated by. And so, the crown does six 60 nanometers and then also does infrared at when it’s being pulsed at 40 Hertz, which is really phenomenal for brain health and cognition. So, kinda getting a one, two, three, four, five, six punch in there. And, methylene blue, just stop me or start talking-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

No, no, please

Yoshi Rahm, DO

About-

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

No, no. You’re doing great. Yeah, methylene blue. Why should we know about this?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, so interrupt me though if you wanna pull me back in here. But, methylene blue, there’s a great book, it’s called “The Ultimate Guide to Methylene Blue” by Mark Sloan. It’s a short read. It’s on Audible, it’s a on, I think, Kindle, it’s on paperback, Amazon. So, I would encourage anybody who’s interested in methylene blue, go check that book out, because it’s just a really nice kind of layman’s way of learning more about it, ’cause there’s a lot more than I can get through here. So, but it has been around since 1890s, I think it was actually the first drug approved in the United States for treatment of malaria and it’s still actually really good against malaria. So, it’s very antimicrobial. It’s a blue dye that has really been found, it was kind of an accident where they started staining in the biology labs. 

They started staining cells with this methylene blue. Well, it turns out that it actually gets attracted to the mitochondria and that’s why it’s such a good stain in the lab. Well, turns out that it’s also phenomenal. When put into the body, it goes wherever the greatest energy need is because every cell in our body, except for red blood cells has these mitochondria. And again, these mitochondria, they’re really the batteries of our cells. And cells in our body that use more energy have more mitochondria. And so, we’re talking brain, so neurons, heart muscle, actually, the ovaries as well. But, those tend to be the areas of the body that require the greatest amount of energy. And so, if there’s a deficiency in energy, and , so it’s so exciting .

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I know, I know .

Yoshi Rahm, DO

There’s something called the electron transport chain in the mitochondria, and that’s really where the electrons come in and where the oxygen come in. And again, one of the main reasons we eat food is to get the electrons from it. And, there’s these kind of four levels through the electron transport chain and methylene blue basically speeds up that electron transport chain to create more ATP, more energy. And then photonic light coming in also speeds that process up, but it does it in different ways. And so, it’s really when we’re adding in the ozone, and then adding in the methylene blue, and adding in these different light wavelengths, it’s really different methods to get at the same ultimate how do we create more energy in our system? And so, that’s why methylene blue has been found to be, really, at the end of the day, it’s phenomenal for any metabolic disease. 

So, I mean, you can go with diabetes or any brain dementia, Parkinson’s, we’re having interesting results with methylene blue and the light in Parkinson’s patients currently. Actually, really profound, I would say. Really profound. Methylene blue is very safe. So again, I always go back to, is this gonna be worth it? Is it something that I would wanna give to my own mom? Right? Is it something I’d want my own kid to take potentially? Right? So, what are the risks versus benefits? And there’s really downside to methylene blue. It’s processed out in our kidneys and it’s really only used if needed, it’s an electron donor. And again, it’s really only used by the tissues that need it. And, the typical dose is anywhere from one milligram upwards of maybe 60 milligrams. So, sometimes you’ll hear, it said 1/2 milligram per kilogram up to one milligram per kilogram. So, if you took a 60 kilogram person, I think that’s what? 125 pound person that’d be 60 milligramS, right? If you were doing the one milligram per kilogram dosing. 

Now, research has suggested, and there’s actually a good amount of research on methylene blue at this point. Hopefully, there will be more because it’s a really profound, wonderful molecule. But when you’re talking about kinda in the one to 20 milligram range, it’s very good for brain and mitochondria specifically. Once you get into the 60 milligram or above, then you’re talking about more of an antimicrobial agent, which it’s phenomenal. Now, there’s a few doctors I have spoken to, this has been the cornerstone for their COVID therapy, right? And I mean, phenomenal results with that. So, it’s a lovely, amazing molecule. And when added to ozone and light, I just think it’s this amazing trifecta.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. No, thank you for sharing those resources and walking us through that. I’ve been using more methylene blue in my office, just that I get it compounded into the liposomal capsules, as well as , the suppositories, biohackers that have some sublinguals, and then the IV. Thanks to you, we were able to find the source of the IV methylene blue and we have a photodynamic therapy in the office. And so just starting to use it. But, I’ve been using methylene blue just for Lyme and co-infection patients viruses, as you said, it’s antimalarial, or our babesia patients, And all of that. It’s wonderful. And then, post COVID. In a lot of these post infectious syndromes, there’s this hypoxic effect in the body, right?. 

So, however we can increase the oxygen carrying capacity, which as you said, this is a trifecta treatment that you’re getting the ozonation, you’re getting the blood filtration, then you’re getting the methylene blue, and then the biophotons, and then the frequency. And you probably know this about me, but I also love looking at biophysics and the bio field, and how do we really integrate those treatments, ’cause I think that’s when the magic happens, right? When we combine the best of our biochemistry with the best of our biophysics. And I’ve just seen patients have taught me that over the years. So, I feel that’s really the future of medicine as well is having more integration between biofield science and functional medicine. So, this treatment, right? Is an example of that.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah. And, you’ve probably had other speakers say this, I just wanna kind of go on record. This is not a first line treatment.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Right? So it’s always do the lifestyle modifications first. You gotta have that as a baseline and then do the more simple things first. But once you’ve done those and if you’re not where you wanna be or not where you feel you should be, then that’s when this comes in. I still haven’t seen the perfect treatment that treats everything perfectly, right?.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Of course.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

And this is the same. However, it is phenomenal. If I’m totally biased.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. No, but I mean, you get to see the reward, right? Every day in clinic. So, speaking from that experience.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Really quickly, methylene blue, there’s a lot of sources out there that are not safe. So, I just wanna throw that out because some people will go out and get these random sources. I don’t know exactly why, but you really gotta get pharmaceutical grade. So, whether it’s as a tablet, or suppository, or intravenous, must, must, must be pharmaceutical grade. Otherwise, there can be a lot of toxins in there and you’re actually gonna do more harm than benefit potentially. So, gotta throw that one out there.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. And then the serotonin effect too, right? So if you’re on SSRIs or SNRIs, this is something that talk to-

Yoshi Rahm, DO

You wanna be more cognizant about. Definitely, talk to your practitioner about it for sure. I will say there’s Francisco Lima Gonzalez, I think is the doctor’s name somewhere in Texas. Type him into Apple Podcast and he’ll pop up. But, he’s a really good resource. And he actually said that on the SSRI’s question, the only time that ever became an issue was when patients were surgically opened and they were pouring methylene blue on the parathyroid. Outside of that, there really does not actually seem to be too much downside. So, just kind of throwing it out there, if someone’s on an SSRI, this is probably still a really good therapy to consider. So, I don’t want people to be scared of it. At the same time though, check with your practitioner for sure.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah. No, definitely a great point, ’cause a lot of my patients are on melatonin and high dose melatonin and I see methylene blue that I haven’t seen an effect. I did have one patient teach me, and, again, there could be lots of factors and she was on a higher dose of Prozac, and I actually asked her psychiatrist and she said “Fine,” but I think she did have, we caught it really early, but no, I agree. I think it’s way more of a guideline than a true contraindication. And we don’t wanna miss the opportunity, right? To help people who need it who might be on those medications . So, it’s the art of medicine, right?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yes. The art and practice.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

I know, right?. Oh my goodness. Well, I feel we’ve learned so much from you today. I guess, as we wrap up, is there anything else that you wanna share as we’re talking to the mycotoxin and chronic illness community in this conversation? Is there anything else that you wanna share as far as what you’re seeing or anything to add about the therapy you just so eloquently shared with us today?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

No, I think we covered it pretty well. Again, I would just offer hope. There is hope. I don’t wanna misspeak, but I don’t think we’ve had anybody come do this treatment who’s doing the baseline, addressing the mold and the biotoxin illness, and then who has done the O3D energizer without having some additional benefits. Again, I don’t wanna over advertise, but I believe that’s true. We’ve done, I think it’s close to 600 treatments now over the last year and 1/2. And so, we’re continually learning about it. Our therapy will continually get better, I promise you that, ’cause I can’t stop innovating. So, it’s gonna get even better and better. And, yeah, I’d just like to thank you for lending this platform and giving me a voice to share so that hopefully, some other people can benefit from everything, anything.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Yeah, no, absolutely. No, well, we thank you for your time and your expertise. And, Dr. Yoshi, please share if people wanna connect with you or your clinic, how can they best find you?

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, it’s DrYoshi.com. So, it’s D-R-Y-O-S-H-I.com. Check us out, phone number’s on there. We have an amazing team, Oasis Family Medicine of a few other Dr. Anne Kuo, Kellie Kell. Those are the other providers, but then we have a whole team of amazing nurses and just amazing support staff. I’m so blessed to come to work every day, working with who I work with and most of our patients feel that as well. So thank you to all of them.

Christine Schaffner, N.D.

Takes a team, right? No, I have no doubt that you have an amazing team to create such a healing environment for your patients. And no, we’ll definitely share all of those links with this interview. And, we can’t thank you enough for your time and I’m sure this will be the first of hopefully, many conversations that we have together. So, thank you so much.

Yoshi Rahm, DO

Yeah, awesome. All right, beautiful. Thank you.