Eden Energy Medicine

Donna Eden 

Thank you, thank you for having us.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. So Donna, let’s start with you. I alluded to your story, but I’d like you to tell us how… They just have so much love for each other too . Just the way they look at each other and support each other, this is so cool. But Donna, tell us a little bit about your journey. So you were born with this gift. And you could see electromagnetic fields and subtle energy in people. But what really brought you to the point where you decided to share it with the world? I know part of it was using it on yourself, but take us through that journey a little bit, please.

Donna Eden

Well, first of all, I didn’t know that the whole world didn’t see energy. I thought everybody did. And when I found out in my early 20s that they didn’t, I didn’t know how they made their way through life or I didn’t know how they made decisions or anything, it was absolutely shocking to me.

Tom McCarthy

Because everyone in your family-

Donna Eden

Yeah, my family did, except for my dad didn’t, but my mother did, my sister, my brother. And it was just, and I am absolutely convinced that every baby born sees energy. And then, but if it’s not kept alive, if the family doesn’t talk about it, it just kind of goes dormant because there are so many things to learn when you’re a baby. So I think around one year old, it’s gone if you haven’t kept talking about it. So anyway, for me, it was, I, when I was 16, I got multiple sclerosis. And it got worse and worse and worse through the years and then, as you said, I had a heart attack at 27. But it was my MS that was so bad because I had two little kids and I wasn’t able to walk very well. Sometimes, I didn’t walk at all and I was getting worse and worse. And then all my organs began to break down.

David Feinstein

That’s why she had her heart attack.

Donna Eden

Yeah, that’s why I had a heart attack ’cause all my organs were breaking down. And I had five different specialists tell me there was absolutely nothing they could do because I was not disintegrating, but some word like that, really fast. And on that fifth doctor, I don’t know what happened, but it was like a spiritual experience for me. I felt like lightning struck me. And I knew I was gonna heal myself. And I went home that day and began to see if I could, like the first place was on my thighs. There was no energy on my thighs whatsoever. So I was gonna see if I could hook up the energy so it would flow in that part. And that’s how it all began. And I did, after a while, I could see the energy connect from my hips to my knees. And I knew it was all just gonna go uphill from there, no down, smooth sailing from there.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. That’s amazing. Hey, and going back-

David Feinstein

But she didn’t really have a healing ability or know of a healing ability until this point. She could see the energies, but she thought everybody could, she didn’t really realize that you could use this to heal something. So it hadn’t ever worked on anyone, it just never occurred to her to use it that way, so it was in desperation really that just she made that simple discovery that, where there’s so much pain in her upper legs, that just holding two points could get the energy to smooth out, to flow in harmony. So that was the start of her work.

Donna Eden

And when I did get well, when I got well, oh, first I should say that I was trying to handle my MS. But the first thing that happened was all my allergies went away. You know, it’s like you start seeing your body in a holistic way and whatever is wrong starts getting fixed. And so that was an amazing thing to me because I lived in a world where everybody said this was healthy and that wasn’t and none of that worked for me. I mean, if I had red meat, I was suddenly good again. If I didn’t have red meat, I wasn’t. And Dairy Queens were really good for me. So I, when my allergies went away-

David Feinstein

It was grains and-

Donna Eden

Yeah, grains were first, but then everything that grew out of the ground, I was allergic to. It was like poison in my body. And so, and then suddenly, I could eat, it was vegetables first, fruits were the last, but then they came around. And it was just more and more exciting, it got so exciting how I was watching my body unfold in these amazing ways. But then once I was really well and I could walk well and I just wanted every, I wanted to share it with everybody that I ran into. And now I was seeing that I was interpreting better the things that I was seeing when I would look at other people, you know, what was wrong with them. And I would, I sometimes was totally inappropriate, would stop people on the street and tell them, here’s what you could do.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s amazing. So when you look back, the experience you went through, I always tell people, there’s always an advantage. Had you not had MS, had you not had five doctors tell you there’s nothing we can do, we probably wouldn’t be sitting here with the two of you today. I mean, it’s a pretty amazing-

Donna Eden

Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I thank God that I had MS. I’m so glad I had all of these real struggles that you couldn’t find an answer in a book about. No doctor could give you the answer, you had to figure it yourself. And to this day, you know, it’s one of my teachings is to say, you figure it out for yourself, even though we have lots of things you could do. They’re like, everybody has a maze inside of them. And if you figure out your maze, it changes your life completely and forever and empowers you and you can’t turn off of it ever again.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. And so one of the things, and David, maybe, you know, you might, being a psychologist, you might wanna chime in on this too. One of the things that, you know, this is the Global Energy Healing Summit. People coming, some are suffering, right, they have disease or they’ve got a condition. Some just wanna be healthier. But when conditions do come up, there is a gift there, right? It’s almost something that’s nudging us in a different direction that we would not have gone in had that shown up. How do you talk to people about that? Because even in some of the more challenging illnesses, there’s a gift in there too, right?

David Feinstein

Well, there’s always learnings that, you know, no matter how dire the circumstances, and Donna didn’t, I mean, she had this lightning strike, so she had this inspiration that she knew she was gonna get better. But she still couldn’t walk, she didn’t know that she was gonna get better. And so by going into the illness and finding out, and from the psychological point of view, any illness always has emotional components. Doesn’t mean that emotions cause the illness. But once you have this serious illness, you’ve got a lot of feelings about that and it impacts your sense of possibility and your sense of what the world is supposed to be and what, and pain breaks down people’s faith. 

So all of those psychological issues, as you confront them, as you move through them, and again, energy work, both energy medicine and energy psychology, can really help people move through the denial, the fear, the anger at God, the anger at your body, all of those things. So at the emotional side, there’s a lot that can be done so that you’re evolving, you’re becoming more conscious, no matter what the physical outcome. So you , to die at peace-

Tom McCarthy

Yes.

David Feinstein

Is real different than dying with things unfinished. And so you add, but then the energy work is what, that’s allowed, that’s got a power that is beyond what the mind can do. And that’s what Donna has really pioneered, and she wants to talk about that right now.

Tom McCarthy

I saw her raising your hand over there, can I go next?

Donna Eden

I just wanna say, when I really got that energy really is all there is.

Tom McCarthy

Yes.

Donna Eden

That’s it, there is nothing else. And we look solid but we’re just latticeworks of force fields. So it’s a whole another realm that you can drop into beyond what you psychologically think or anything else. It’s like moving away from the chemistry of the body, but move to the ground level is our energy. And the whole universe is energy and we are energy. And for me, I just, I let everything else go but the energy and just work with the energy of it. And it is thrilling, it is so exciting to do that because you’re lifted out of all the other categories and it’s amazing, it’s amazing.

Tom McCarthy

How do you teach people to do that though, Donna? Because people are so addicted to seeing their body as this, you know, this solid object and that’s one of the detriments of healing, right? If we see it as solid and we see this condition as something that, you know, we can touch and feel, we keep believing in it more. And when you see it just as energy and-

Donna Eden

Yeah, well, I found it really easy to teach because, and people begin to suspend their disbelief because I teach energy testing, how to test the energy when you can’t see it or you can’t feel it, when you don’t know it yourself or when you have a head set that says, oh, please. You know. I like to energy test, now, you might think he is a plant, but I’ll at least show you what I mean. Now, this is just, to test the energy, all I want him to do is just keep his arm out. He doesn’t have to struggle hard or not, but I’m gonna just see if he has a bounce. He has a bounce right now which means, oh, his energy is flowing. 

Now, I could probably overpower him, but still, it would be hard, he’s not gonna overpower easily. Now, I can come along here, and I don’t know if you can see, lift up your body. I’m gonna flutter him right there. Now, try with all, I just have two fingers now. I can shift the energy, suddenly, those points take energy out of his arm. So you can start understanding that energy, I mean, if you’re alive, you’ve got energy and it’s flowing everywhere. And if you’re not alive, the energy is gone. So we’re gonna-

David Feinstein

Put it back.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Donna Eden

I’m gonna go along, I’m gonna massage those points over there. And I mean, the body is, it works like magic, but utter science too. And it’ll flow back through that arm once you have massaged those points.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, you gotta be very nice to her, David, make sure that she doesn’t take that energy out again. Yeah.

Donna Eden

I mean, it’s really, really . We teach nine major energy systems of body that you can affect each one of those energy systems. And it’ll bring healing back and it will also reveal amazing things about your history, it’ll reveal about your psyche, it’ll reveal every, energy is everything.

David Feinstein

What Donna really is saying basically is that energy is the infrastructure of the physical body. So energy animates it and this that looks solid, in many traditions, it’s thought of as coalesced energy. It’s not that it isn’t solid, it is solid because that’s how the universe is, but this is the densest, this is the densest form of energy, but it’s always moving, it’s always, you know, the body is alive. And so by figuring out how those energies flow in these nine systems, you can really support any health condition in the same way that we have a heart and lungs and kidneys and all these organs and the cardiovascular system and immune system and all these systems. For each of those, there’s an energy that underlies it. There’s an energy that is guiding it that has intelligence in how it guides it. So there’s, that was a really hard concept for me in our early days, was energy has intelligence. No, no, no, no, energy has the capacity to do work, it moves things. It doesn’t make decisions.

Donna Eden

Can you imagine, I stayed with him anyway.

Tom McCarthy

He didn’t believe it when you were talking about it at first, but you stayed with him, that’s good. Hey, Donna, you said that you believe everybody’s born with this gift to see energy, but most people disconnect from it at age one. How, this is maybe for a smaller population watching, but how can parents encourage their newborn babies to not disconnect from that gift, is there anything they can do?

Donna Eden

Yes, absolutely, you know, I had a practice for 23 years and I often had a pregnant couple come in and say, well, how can I help my child keep all of their senses, you know, and be able to see energy? And so I said, just keep talking about it. You know, like if you pick up a baby, I always say this, if you pick up a baby, you’ll often notice the baby looks around your head. They don’t look at you, they’re looking like that, you know. I mean, they’re looking at your aura. And if you just say things like, what color is my aura? And just talk like that. 

It doesn’t matter that you can’t see it. You can let the baby know you know it’s there. And what happens is that, and we were, we lived in Ashland, Oregon for, we still think of it as our home, but we’re not there very much anymore. But in that town, I got to watch babies grow up. And so, and I see kids grow up still seeing energy and-

Tom McCarthy

Wow, that’s-

Donna Eden

And it-

David Feinstein

Tell the story about-

Donna Eden

I know what he… Just a few years ago, I went back home, I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Ashland, but it’s really one long, well, there’s two streets, but one major street. And you get to know everybody in town, less than 20,000 people. And I was walking down the street, and I hadn’t been there in a long time. I was walking down the street, and at the end of the street were some, three or four, I think there were four boys. And they were big, big guys, they looked like football players, you know how they saunter. And they were walking at the end of the block. And the biggest, tallest one said, “Hey, Donna, I see purple.”

Tom McCarthy

That’s great.

Donna Eden

And it was so much fun to get together with him and find out he was that little baby I left behind, you know, it’s like, wow.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome. So parents and grandparents can encourage it, friends can encourage it.

Donna Eden

Yes.

Tom McCarthy

As you mentioned-

David Feinstein

Watch where their eyes go. That, if you can’t see it, just reinforce that. Reinforce that, look at, as if you could see it.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, knock-on effect, I love it.

Donna Eden

And my mother always reinforced it. You know, she reinforced it all the time and it was just natural. We thought my father was bizarre because he couldn’t see energy.

Tom McCarthy

What’s wrong with dad, right? Yeah, exactly. Is he even part of our family? So now, most people have disconnected, as you’ve mentioned, you know, a lot of your work and your school for energy medicine is getting them reconnected. But can anybody that puts time and effort and energy and learns from you or other sources, can they reconnect with this gift?

Donna Eden

I’ve seen it, I’ve seen people reconnect. And it isn’t swift because it’s like you have to start, you have to be in the field and start working with energy. And once in a while, I’ll see somebody get it like that. But usually, it starts growing again. And I have seen some people who I, I used to, many years ago, teach classes on just how to see your energy again. And at the end of the class, some people did, but some people now were hearing the energy or feeling it or knowing, it’s like their senses began to open up, so it was different for some people. But the people who have been with me for a long time, most of those people see energy now.

David Feinstein

I wouldn’t say most but a lot because the energy testing is the training wheels.

Donna Eden

Yeah, it is real training.

David Feinstein

So that’s what people can do from a first class, is that they’ll learn that and then they’ll learn how to trap energies in the body using energy testing. And like Donna said, many people, sight is, seeing energy is really overrated in healing professions, I think, that a lot of people, the way it started for me, I don’t see it at all. But the way it started for me was to feel it. You know, I was working on someone’s chakras in a class demonstrating.

Tom McCarthy

Yes.

David Feinstein

And all of a sudden, I thought, oh, wow, there is something to this that I’ve been writing about and talking about for all these years. And it actually proves that. And that happens for a lot of people, is more that they’ll start to feel it.

Tom McCarthy

I think that’s for me too, yeah, that makes a lot of sense ’cause I think I can definitely feel it, yeah. That’s great. So is there an exercise that we can do, that you can show people how to do to improve their energy?

Donna Eden

Oh God, there’s so many exercises. What shall I do? I know. Let me show an energy that would be very helpful if you’re very stressed out, how to get, move the stress out of your body.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, great, thank you.

David Feinstein

I’m gonna move out of your way.

Donna Eden

Okay. Maybe I’ll show two. Wait, come here, sit down, David. I need you back-

Tom McCarthy

By the way, I love, you guys are such a fun couple. I want you to come down to my house so we can hang out together, you guys are great, I love it.

Donna Eden

Where do you live?

Tom McCarthy

Rancho Santa Fe, but even when David said something a little bit counter to you, you just kind of went.

Donna Eden

Well, I just wanna show something, now, David, don’t fake it, be real and honest, okay. Hold your arm real strong, really strong. Now I’m gonna ask him, now, this, what I’m gonna show you will happen to every human being on the planet, okay. Think of a stress that bothers you or think of something you’re going through right now, anything. Okay? You got it? That’s how quick stress hits the body. It’s instant, it’s automatic. But if you ever thrown your hand to your forehead, you go, oh God, and then you take it away. But if you kept your hand there, your hand is electromagnetic so you draw the blood back up into your forebrain so you can think again. Because when you get stressed, the blood goes into your body for the fight or flight response. Then you can’t think without a paper bag. But if you put your hand here, you draw the blood back up and you can think again, so that’s the simplest thing I know.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome. So when you’re stressed, just put your hand-

Donna Eden

Put on your hand on it. And I think it’s instinctual because we carry it forth from our ancestors from forever ago when they started figuring that out. But here’s a real simple one.

David Feinstein

Are you gonna test that?

Donna Eden

Oh, okay. All right.

David Feinstein

Okay, let’s see if I can-

Donna Eden

He’s gonna bring up the stress again.

David Feinstein

Okay.

Donna Eden

When you hold your hand, and so it trains your body not to freak out by just, I mean, if you just do this every day, you will build a habit so that your body will not be so responsive to stressful things.

Tom McCarthy

Beautiful, I love that, what a simple yet powerful technique.

Donna Eden

It’s so easy.

Tom McCarthy

Very, very cool.

Donna Eden

Now, this one’s a little longer, but it’s so good. It’s so good, okay. I’ll just have us go through it, okay. Well, I don’t know, I’ll energy test you, stand up, David. Okay. His arm is next to his body, okay. Now, are you really trying?

David Feinstein

Yes.

Donna Eden

Okay. I’m testing, now you can sit down. I’m testing something called spleen meridian, and why that’s important is when you get stressed, even though he was much better, spleen meridian still wasn’t strong on him. And what happens when we get really stressed out, there is a meridian in our body, and the meridians are the energy pathways that travel throughout your body that all the acupuncture points are on. Well, there’s a meridian called triple warmer and its job is to save your life and get you out of danger. So it turns on that fight or flight. 

It also pulls energy from wherever it needs to in the body, that’s why everything seems to, your creative skills go out, everything goes out because it wants to get rid of the stress. The first place it pulls from is spleen. And spleen can metabolize and get rid of somebody’s negative energy in the area. But if your stress is taking energy from there, well, you can’t, everything gets to you suddenly. And so here’s what we’re gonna do, we’re gonna rub our hands together and shake them off. Now, place your hands sideways over your closed eyelids, okay.

David Feinstein

Watch carefully.

Donna Eden

Okay, now take a deep breath in through your nose. And as you let your breath out, drag your fingers to your temples. Now take a deep breath in and drag them above your ears. And as your breath out, take them around the ears, down the neck, and land on your heart chakra. Okay, now, I’m gonna tell you what you did. This is called the regulator flow, so it helps regulate all the energy, so that triple warmer, the fight or flight king, can’t take that energy. And then you drag it to here. These points are triple warmer neurovascular points that, it’s kind of like a variation of holding there. And then going around your ear, you’re tracing triple warmer backwards, that meridian. And you’re traveling not a lot, not only along triple warmer, but this is your vagus nerve. Which brings up your parasympathetic, so suddenly, you’re calm. And the heart chakra so that everything is safe, you’re very safe.

Tom McCarthy

Wow.

Donna Eden

And it works.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. So many things, yeah, oh, you’re gonna test him, okay.

Donna Eden

Check spleen. All right, very good. And when spleen is strong, you’ll metabolize your food better, you’ll metabolize life better. And you have more happiness, more acquisitions in happiness and joy.

Tom McCarthy

I love it, that didn’t look like anything could’ve pried David’s arm from his side on that one, that was-

Donna Eden

I wish I had you here, I would test you, but you gotta trust us.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. Yeah, no, that is awesome. How can people, what are the ways that people can access your wisdom and learning? What are things that they can do? I know if they want to become a healer, they can actually work with you, is that correct?

Donna Eden

Yes, well, we have a school now. We have four places, four in the United States?

David Feinstein

Three in the US.

Donna Eden

Three in the United States and one in London. And so people can go and train. And we have all sorts of even free things on our website. We’ve got something called the Wednesday Energy Minute. So you can learn in one minute an exercise every Wednesday, but we have them all up there so you can just go to them, and it’s not just me, it’s, my two daughters are also doing them and sometimes David is.

David Feinstein

There’s hundreds of those, but a good place to start, well, that is a good place to start, we have our own YouTube channel with hundreds of things. But there’s, if they go to edenmethod.com-

Tom McCarthy

Edenmethod.com.

David Feinstein

Dot com. And there are a number of things there, but one of them is a free class that we call the Essentials Class. And it’s a one hour class. It gives you a really good overview and then it also shows you what the next class would be, a more formal online class, a multi-week program. And that’s a really good place for people to start. So, you know, kind of look around and do some of the, you know, shorter free things, the one minute things. And then that one hour class, the Essentials of Energy Medicine, is a really good starter.

Tom McCarthy

That’s great, and then they can, if they, I’m sure they’re gonna love that. If they wanna go further with you, then they can-

David Feinstein

Right, we’ll let them know, we’ll let them know about it. They can, at that site, they can also sign up for our e-letter and for announcements that will let them know when there are classes coming.

Donna Eden

And there will be, you might be able to find a teacher in your area. And so we have all these different teachers on our website that you can find.

David Feinstein

Yeah, all over the world, actually, but there’s probably, there’s hundreds in the US that, so just about every major city has someone that is available.

Tom McCarthy

Fantastic. And so what are the benefits of becoming a healer? Obviously, you can heal yourself. But what are some of the benefits? Yeah, yeah, no, no, you don’t have to raise your hand. Just you talk, you’re the star here.

Donna Eden

There are so many answers to that question and I’m really glad you asked it. One of the things is I, the best is, if you lift stress off of you and you are not a victim to all of the stuff that goes on in your life and that you can move it energetically out of your body, well, underneath your stress levels that many people in this world never reach is a level of energy that I call the radiant circuits. And these circuits are, sit under stress so you don’t often get to get to your joy and your sense of awe and wonder about life. And it’s just available to you underneath those stress levels. 

And you will age really well. You will like aging. Because it’s very wonderful to find out that aging is nothing like I thought it was gonna be. I really love aging. And it’s, I mean, to find out that, my gosh. So yes, things will happen to you. But if you know what to do about it, you know, who cares? In fact, it’s more empowering, you get more and more empowered. And-

David Feinstein

How old are you?

Donna Eden

Oh, he’s gonna ask me that.

Tom McCarthy

She’s got the energy of an 18 year old, so that’s why she loves aging so much. Think about what aging really is, I mean, for most people, they associate it with loss of energy. And so you guys have amazing energy and so it is a fun experience to get wiser and go through more-

Donna Eden

Well, I’m 78 years old.

Tom McCarthy

No way.

Donna Eden

Yeah, yeah way.

David Feinstein

I am so proud of my daughter.

Tom McCarthy

That is crazy. I’ve never met anyone in their 50s with your energy or 40s, like that’s crazy.

Donna Eden

My daughters are in their 50s and they are vital and alive and I look at them and I think, well, gosh, that’s how you’re supposed to be in 20 or 30, you know. And so they’re, no, you’ll like getting old.

Tom McCarthy

You just shocked everybody with that, with telling that you’re 78 years old. But you know, I mean, there’s so many people say, you know, if we do the right things, we’re meant to age with great energy and live longer than what most people think is possible. But they’re just not tapping into what you’re tapping into.

Donna Eden

They’re not tapping into what I think our ancient ancestors must have because I think we’re here today because, I mean, long before they knew how to plant things in the ground and make, you know, food come up, they had to have understood their energy. And maybe they all saw it too because, I mean, that’s the natural thing. That’s our natural way, is to know energy.

David Feinstein

To know what plants were poisonous and what plants were healthy, it, I mean-

Donna Eden

You have to have a sense-

David Feinstein

You could do it by tasting them and seeing what happened, but probably those, our ancestors who survived had some ability to-

Tom McCarthy

They could sense energy, yeah, and survive, that’s a good distinction. You know what’s interesting-

David Feinstein

Back to your earlier question of what do you get if you go through training to be a practitioner, and one of the things that’s really gratifying for us is how many nurses and growing number of physicians, not a lot, but a growing number of physicians who are really embracing this work and integrating it into their practice. They’re not no longer doing surgery and giving medication, but they’re finding, Christiane Northrup wrote the forward to Donna’s second book, the Energy Medicine for Women, and she said that, as she envisions the medicine of the future, there will still be a place for drugs and surgery, but energy medicine will be the first line of defense, it’ll be the first intervention because it’s non-invasive and often, you can turn things around that our models in Western medicine don’t think can be turned around, like in MS. 

So you begin there, you begin, and the idea in the energy medicine is very different from the paradigm of Western medicine in that you are not treating symptoms, you’re not treating illness. That’s not what you’re doing. Your focus is getting the energies into a flow and harmony. And so by getting the energies into a flow and a harmony, that might take care of the illness, but that’s not your function, that’s not where you’re focused. You’re focused on getting the energies going, and that’s a really big difference because then you start from a different place, you start from looking, okay, where is the energy not flowing, and that’s where the energy just becomes imbalanced, why don’t you say something about that?

Donna Eden

I just wanna say, I just turned yesterday morning on the news about the costs of pharmaceutical medicines today. And one of them was, I mean, it’s just astonishing, like there’s a medicine that they are now giving to people who have MS is $7,000 a month. I mean, who could afford that? And plus-

David Feinstein

And it doesn’t cure it either.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, exactly.

David Feinstein

Just suppresses symptoms.

Donna Eden

And so medicine, yes, medicine suppresses. And we are way overmedicated in our culture. And, I mean, if you have a lot of medicines in you, that’s something that actually prevents you from aging well because your own energies can’t flow through as easily. And so it’s just, I think it’s critically important, I think it is a, you know, there was one time in my life where I used to think of, this was sort of an elective subject that you can learn it or not. 

I don’t anymore, I think it’s a required subject now to take and learn and teach your children and so that kids, you know, it’s more than just a healing modality. Children can learn to free up their brains so their brains can learn better. And kids love it, they take to it, gravitate to it so easily because they find that they are real smart in school and, you know, I’ve had many kids tell me they took their teacher’s headache away and things like that, you know.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome. You know, it’s funny, my son who is 25 years old is, now, he doesn’t have all the methodologies and understanding at the level you do, but his whole thing is like, because he was able to heal a pain that he was having, chronic pain, he went to Harvard, was a basketball player. Had a concussion one year, sat out. Went to get his MBA at another school, playing his final year of basketball. 

And he got to the point where he couldn’t even walk, and they did a MRI, said he had a large herniated disc. And they wanted, they injected him, nothing really happened, and I said, you know, a lot of of this could be just energy, like stuck energy. And so he listened to a book about it. Just listened to the book, that’s all he did, just like got it in his psyche. And, ’cause they wanted to bring him back in, they said it’s the largest herniated disc they’d ever seen in a kid his age. 

His pain went away in three days. And then he had some skin issues that he just healed with his mind and then, by changing his energy, and then he had a headache the other day and I said, or he had a cold, he had a cold. And I was saying, hey, maybe take some zinc, do this, he goes, “I’m just gonna heal it with my mind.” And so I love it, I love it. I’m so glad you guys are going big with this, because I think the world needs to come back to what really works. Now, when something’s acute, you need a doctor, you know, because if it’s life or death, it’s hard to really focus your energy and change it, not that it can’t be done. But most things are chronic. And that’s where the doctors, at best, as you said, David, they’re gonna mask some symptoms with a drug that cost $7,000 a month. And you still have the same condition.

Donna Eden

Yes.

Tom McCarthy

So I love, I’m so grateful that you two are out leading the charge, and I know it’s not easy when you’re the pioneers, I’m sure you get some arrows in your back too, but thank you for this amazing work you’ve been doing.

Donna Eden

Thank you.

David Feinstein

You know, I’m glad that you said that chronic conditions, that, like with Donna’s MS. It wasn’t instant, she felt some relief right away, but it was really six months of daily work before she really was much better and two years before she was symptom-free. But now, 43 years later, she’s still symptom-free. And that’s not supposed to happen with MS. So to go back to what people get from training, so some people are already in the healing professions. So that’s one group, whether they’re chiropractors or nurses or MDs or acupuncturists, we’ve helped quite a few acupuncturists. 

And then another group is there to start a new career. And that’s probably the biggest group, is people that are just called to this, they’re called for some reason, maybe, often, they’ve been healed by energy medicine and they wanna learn how to do it. So wounded healers are part of the council, you know. And then another portion of them are doing it just for their own healing or to be able to help friends and families. So that’s kind of the group that is coming to us now.

Tom McCarthy

Beautiful, well, my big vision for you two is that the world embraces letting babies continue to see energy and that, you know, everybody starts to learn how to not only heal themselves, but how to help their fellow human beings heal by becoming healers, I mean, what a wonderful world that would be if we knew how to heal, we really knew how to heal without running, oh, I gotta run to someone else, a doctor, to get a prescription, working on ourselves and helping each other, I love that.

Donna Eden

And to understand that you will only feel better and better and better and life gets better. I was just thinking of my oldest daughter. She saw energy when she was a little girl. And then when she went to school, she was told that it’s not true, you know, stop that. But what she’s doing now, she’s sort of returning to it when she got older. And she gets color readings of, she’ll just break down a person’s aura all the way around them, what it means and what they’re about. And she has just flourished and she was, I would say, I don’t know, she wasn’t super empowered. She is so empowered now because she really, it’s just, it’s not that it’s because she can do it, although that’s a part of it, it’s that you get more and more attuned to the miracle of life. And it just is good.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, well, I think your energy is the best advertisement that you have, and the energy that you two share is really beautiful and wonderful. Give us one more time the site that, or the sites that people can go to to find out how to get what both of you have.

Donna Eden

Okay.

David Feinstein

It’s edenmethod.com. E-D-E-N, like the Garden of Eden, method.com.

Tom McCarthy

Beautiful. I know everybody will be going there that’s watching this. How could you not after having this wonderful experience with both of you? Thank you so much for being with us today, and if you have any final words you wanna share with everybody watching, that would be awesome.

Donna Eden

Okay, I’ll say something when you say something, okay. I’ll just say. Just think. Energy is the life force. It is the life force. And there isn’t anybody on this planet who cannot shift their own energies to feel better, to move stress out of their bodies, to bring healing into an area where they’ve got pain, anything. I mean, it’s, we were designed that way.

David Feinstein

And I can’t wait to tell the person that set up this call for us how wonderful you are, Tom.

Donna Eden

Yeah, Tom, you’re great.

Tom McCarthy

It’s been a true gift for me to be able to spend this time with you, so love you both. Continue doing your wonderful work, you are transforming the world, thank you very much.

Donna Eden

Thank you, Tom, I bet you are too transforming the world. Thank you.

David Feinstein

Goodbye, everyone.