EMFs – A Forgotten Trigger Of MCAS?

Nicolas Pineault

Thanks for having me. I’m really humbled, you know, I don’t know if I’m the leading voice but I must say, I’m happy to be one of them. And for sure scientists that are in this field, advocates, activists, some of them have been doing that for 30 years. So, I mean, I stand on the shoulder of giants and I’m trying to do my part. Unfortunately I have bad news for everyone on this presentation, and since we met in person in 2017, and I did that presentation in front of most 300 doctors and health experts, and really talked about 5G, well, things have gotten worse. And part of, I guess it’s a bit bizarre and my scope of work when I discover that things are getting worse, in some sense, I get excited because I wanna report the news. So it’s kind of twisted in a sense, but since my book was published, I wish I was able to just rewrite it because experts from different fields now are confirming these health effects from EMFs. And one of these fields is in mast cell activation which will dive into today. And I was very surprised about bath link.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Yeah, it’s so interesting, you know, and hear you say that, like, it’s kind of unfortunate because it’s all coming and it’s here, right? and it’s more and more all the time. And I think that one of the pieces that I’ve always liked about your approach and why I think that like, definitely like, you know, you’re the leader of the field, not only ’cause you’re talking about it and putting it in words that we can all understand, but it’s that it’s like stuff we can actually do.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah. ‘Cause I mean-

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Its great to not have 5G, right. It’s be great to not have WiFi but we got it. So, you know, what are the things that are out there? I mean, what are we commonly exposed to that might be kind of negatively impacting our health that we might not even think about that. Just part of become kind of part of daily life these days.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah well it’s mostly, I think the most concerning exposure is when it comes to EMF, electromagnetic fields is the cell phones, Bluetooth, gizmos that we have in our ear for example, the earbuds, unfortunately, a lot of people, even some of them will be listening to this interview will say, oh my God, oh, what am I doing? Well, don’t panic, I mean, if you’re just learning about this, you didn’t know better. So maybe at the end of this presentation, you’ll decide other ways and to go with wired solutions for example, but the reality is that any EMF emitting device that connects wirelessly to your phone or to a tower in the case of a cell phone emits EMF, and when it’s closed to your body, we’re talking about the worst risks, especially when it comes to brain cancer. So that’s really why I’m not comfortable recommending anything that emits EMF that is in this area of the head. And we know that, for example, it’s linked with an increase. Some researchers say it there’s been a doubling in glioblastomas in the UK in the last two or three decades. And some researchers think it’s linked to cell phone, especially sensor research is very, very strongly shows a link between cell phone use and the increase in ipsilateral cancers. 

So it means you talk on the right side, you have a cancer or tumor on the right side, which has even more causation or strongly causative as far as an effect goes. And you know, more and more lawsuits now are fortunately being one by users who want money as a compensation for a brain tumor. There’s over 50 lawsuits in the Washington circuit at the moment when it comes to brain tumors and cell phones. And that’s just one country, so all around the world I don’t even know if there’s an attorney who could tell me that, I’d argue is probably in the hundreds of different lawsuits now, from users that have a brain tumor or tumor of the head, it could be a parotid gland tumor, thyroid, acoustic neuroma which is a non carcinogenic tumor, but that can lead to complications including deafness or death. There’s probably outer tumors I’m not even aware of that are more rare. But the reality is if you have a device very close to your body you’re asking for trouble, and that’s also the phone in the pocket that I’m not comfortable with. And that’s so common. So people say, oh no, Nick I’m not using it near the head, but if you just leave it in your pocket, the phone is hot, it’s on. So it’s always emitting a little signal, and when it’s downloading an email or downloading a messenger or text, it’s emitting more radiation, very close to your genitalia. And whether you’re a man or woman doesn’t-

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Right?

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah, yeah. Well it’s exactly both sexes will be impacted by this radiation. And again, last year it was, I think PZA a university in South Korea published a analysis of everything that has been published. I think it was just the best studies in the last 10 years, and reconfirmed on top of reconfirming the reconfirmation of the reconfirmation because it looks like 10 years ago, the Cleveland Clinic Researchers, and that’s not some fringe science institution, it’s very mainstream. Even the top researchers there infertility said, you know, among the top five ways we recommend to preserve your fertility as a man, one of them in a brochure they pass around in 2010 or maybe even before, was, do not keep a phone in your pocket. And what is maddening is this is 12 years ago, where is the policy? If we have among the best scientists in fertility that are at the Cleveland Clinic, so it doesn’t make it to policy. And then we have 12 years of men all around the world. I mean, very soon it’s gonna be nearly every single man on the planet is gonna have a phone in their pocket. 

Even in Sub Central Africa in the middle of nowhere you have people with phones in their pocket now, the flip phones, some people have smartphones, I mean, is something that people look at righteously as something next to food and shelter. I can have the phone too and maybe do business on the internet or, and there’s good reasons to have that phone. However, the problem I have with it is how it’s constantly emitting. So you just keep the phone somewhere else in a bag, and a purse is always better if you can create some of that distance. Or if you don’t need to be on call and you have that, maybe that your job is a little bit more relaxed, you don’t need to be on call 24/7. So very good for your sanity and probably good for if you have mast cell activation syndrome, you need to calm yourself down. So there’s that but, just keep it on airplane mode or turn it off altogether, especially in non-office hours where you don’t want to be reached. So there’s something to be said to just disconnect from technology for your mental sanity and stress levels, and then also the radiation that comes with it. 

So I would say, you know, I just talked about the cell phone and there are different devices that touch a body, but that’s the first category of devices we want to look into if we talk about the health effects of EMFs. And after that we’re gonna talk about how it increases mast cell activation syndrome or how it might be even part of the causation, the different factors that lead to that. So if it’s very close to your body in my mind, and in the mind of people who study, let’s say the dosimetry of EMF. So the dosimetry is really the dose you’re getting daily. If you use a dosimeter, which is, let’s say a small device, a small sensor that looks at your EMF exposure on a daily basis. What you want to do is to see these numbers go down your overall cumulative exposure. But yo, what you would realize with such a machine is that, if you have devices very close to the body, you have a lot of that radiation being absorbed. If you have that device 10 feet away, that radiation is still there is still impacting you to some degree, but it’s minute compared to a phone right next to you. So this is really the importance is distanced, but I have to mention maybe other things people have at home that maybe they’re fairly close to. 

For example, a WiFi router would be a big source of exposure. I recall my dad had the problem with his router and kind of realized that it was stressing him, because the router was one foot from his face as he was working at the computer, he had his monitor, the router and the tower. And my dad is not a huge on IT necessarily, I don’t even know why the router was there, but you know, just like people put the hard drive on Mount right next to their screen and their desktop, or tower, the router was there, it’s just a wrong placement. When you realized that my dad has been an extreme guy, I think he probably through the machine away, needlessly. He just needed to move it away, but he he’s kind of like this, oh, this machine is no good. And he probably replaced it with not a router, now that I think of it, but, you know, the reality is just move these things away, it should not be in your bedroom, it should not be in your close, very close to your pillow, for example, it should be as far away to your living areas during the day and the ring the night. And well during the night anyway, I would recommend everyone listening to this, turn it off tonight, you don’t need a WiFi signal at night. Certainly your kids do not need it because maybe it’s gonna be an incentive to say, oh, if you wake up in the middle of the night just go on social media, and no. Bad, bad, cut that off. So no WiFi at night it should become a family policy and adults should lead by example where there’s a cutoff and the WiFi turns off automatically, maybe using one of these outlet timers that’s used at Christmas time so.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

And Nick, one of the things I want to throw in is, and for everybody watching, we’re really gonna dive into how all this stuff affects mast cells and, and your health even more. But I think what Nick just dropped like one of the most important things, like I’ve learned over my course of medicine, I tell all my patients, I just wanted to highlight it is kind of like the WiFi thing I know a lot of people live in townhouses apartments and they’re like, well, I can turn mine off, but I can’t turn off my neighbors. But what, what Nick was just saying, I love it, man. It’s like, it’s that distance, right? And the further you are away,

Nicolas Pineault

Yes.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

The less it impacts you, and so I, you know, I always like every once in a while I go see what new stuff’s on your website and everything, and you and I with the outlet timers are critical guys. So it’s like put a timer on, but it’s like, when you look, it’s like, I tell my patients all the time, when you plug your router in, you turn it off at like 10:30, 11, whatever the time is for your family, you set it and you forget it, you never have to think about it again, right? And I see, like on your website, I’m like, oh, said, didn’t forget it, I’m like, all right. Like keep it simple guys.

Nicolas Pineault

Yes.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

And so that’s another thing, and Nick, what are you doing with, I mean, so we wanna turn off our WiFi at night, certainly during the day it’s like, some of us need it, it’s like getting harder and harder for a lot of people to get hardwired homes without great expense. So the turning it off at night, lets the nervous system calm down and minimizes. What about the, what do you do with your phone at night?

Nicolas Pineault

Well, yeah, I used to recommend airplane mode and that’s another complication that came in the last several years. Kind of getting worse is our technologies are becoming more and more wireless, you know? Yeah, smart.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Exactly.

Nicolas Pineault

And that’s the maddening thing I was shopping for earbuds, these are just Bose, wired earbuds, I love them, they’re among my favorite, they have like this noise canceling. I cannot find that same model because buds at one point probably one or two years ago, this continued though saying, oh this is the old stuff wires who want those. And now there are a hundred percent Bluetooth. So I was like, no Bose what are you doing? I cannot really find headphones. And I had the hardest time even finding headphones that are wired. So just, yeah, just to tell you that it is becoming increasingly difficult and I can appreciate the fact that a lot of people don’t initially aren’t initially ready to make the jump to wired connections. You can, you know, now I’m traveling all around the world, I’m recording this from Spain. I don’t know if I told you that yet. I’m in Barcelona and what I do and I’m the EMF guy. So I guess I can be a little bit more bizarre than your average citizen out there, but I have a long wire. I have ethernet cable that I bought 50 feet and it’s not, the router is not even in this room. So it goes all the way in the corridor. 

But for these interviews, what I like about this and consider this for your home office, stability of signal here, I’m in an Airbnb, if I were on WiFi recording an interview, or maybe you’re doing Zoom for your work now, right? A lot of people since the pandemic are starting to use Zoom for meetings, and if you have choppy signal, it’s very annoying. So it’s bad for your stress levels, and then it’s also very unprofessional and sometimes the WiFi can be spotty. And what do people do at home when they have spotty WiFi? Oh, they call the company and they say, I want a stronger WiFi. So the thing is now they ship that stronger WiFi with, I don’t know how many antennas four, eight, I don’t know if it’s 12 now, and now you’re just filling every room with even more of that pollution. 

So maybe consider the cost of just wiring your home office for example or maybe that spot in your home where you say WiFi is bad, it’s annoying, an IT company can do it fairly quickly and maybe a few hundred dollars, right? But if you have that direct connection to the router, it’s settled. And now, especially for, let’s say a workstation, you’re in one place, you don’t move your desktop computer. And now your computer is always connected with the fastest speed and fastest reliability.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Yep, you know, Nick, it’s so cool that you’re putting that out because I noticed, especially at the beginning of the pandemic, like again, like we were doing a lot more at home and my home office is pretty far from the router. And what I found was hard as a cable company, it’s a router that has a WiFi built into it. I had to get on the phone with the tech people with a special login to turn the WiFi off. But I have like a hundred foot ethernet cable. Well, so then I only turned on the WiFi when I needed it, but I used my own router, so I knew everything about it. But then it wasn’t enough, so they’re like, oh, put a booster on it, I’m like, turn it all off, plug into the back of the router, a hundred foot cord. But my office is upstairs and before we had it hardwired, I ran it under the carpet. You would see this thing dangling, but what’s really cool was like, well, you just pointed out is you actually get better performance and it’s better for your health. And the other part that I’m curious about, ’cause I’ve heard about is the patchy signal, and ’cause I think this is sort of where it really dovetails into where, how it impacts your immune system and your nervous system. But whether it’s Bluetooth, whether it’s WiFi, your phone and your computer and your routers are always trying to connect. So if it’s patchy, my understanding is that they actually try more, they kind of almost overcommunicate, is that accurate?

Nicolas Pineault

This true for the cell phone especially, the router, I’m not aware if routers, I guess some people have routers that are connected to the cellular network these days. I see that more and more where they don’t initially have cable or DSL or fiber optic, but what they have coming in is a cell phone tower that sends a signal, then their router is a router that is connected via the 4G or now 5G networks and this distributes WiFi in their home. So in that case, maybe the machine will adjust itself depending on the signal strength. But the reality is when it comes to a phone and that’s a tricky part of a phone is, a lot of people want to use it and be on the go. So they go in the elevator, they’re in the car and the signal. Oh yeah it always connects, isn’t it fun? I’m in the middle of four walls, a big concrete and steel box and the signal is still good, why is that? Well part of it is that the cell phone increases its power level, its intensity to let’s say, try harder to connect to that cell phone tower, right. And in one study it showed an increase of 10,000 fold in radiation in certain situations. So that’s how your phone can ramp up because your phone tries to

Tom Moorcroft, DO

My God

Nicolas Pineault

Minimize its power level to some degree when connectivity is good and that’s just logical, is just, and don’t worry, it’s not because the industry really cares about health, they say there’s no health effects. It’s because they want a lower power consumption to not have the battery drain in two hours, right? So anyway, it’s just a little comment.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Interesting, right?

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah, exactly. But, you know, so what I would do is ensure that when you’re taking a call on your cell phone regardless of how you’re using it, try to have good connectivity. So it means that if you have spotty connectivity, you’re in a tunnel, in a car, in a elevator shaft, or especially in large buildings with a lot of concrete walls and ceilings and floors, you don’t get good connection, go outside, go outside on the balcony and now you have good connection. And in fact you’re gonna reduce radiation. So there’s just something to note, but yeah, this is the only technology the smartphone that I think ramp up the amount of radiation it emits when connectivity is on the on the low side. Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

If anybody is a, and anyone who’s been on calls with me knows that like, I’m almost a hundred percent like on speaker and I don’t know how good it is but it’s like I keep it as far away from me as I can, but I realize I need the tool. So Nick, the thing is like, how do EMFs, I mean, other than direct radiation and leading the cancer, which I think probably a pretty big deal.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

What are the other known health impacts of EMFs?

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah, so a good question, you know, and the question is, okay, well, let’s say if I stop using it near the head, am I all good? And the reality is no, not necessarily.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

We bear of all good news today, right?

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah, exactly. It’s like, oh no, I thought it was sorted out, Nick, I already used speakerphone. No, it’s not sufficient because of course there’s a link with fertility if you have it in the pocket, so there’s that. What if you don’t use it to the head, you don’t use it in the pocket, is this is still problematic. It can be and our overall exposure to EMFs seems to increase our oxidative stress. So quite simply it’s a stressor and there’s a big link with mast cell activation that really shocked me. I discovered that really preparing for this presentation in particular and that’s from Dr. Theo, yeah I’ll call him that MD PhD and he’s among the top 1% of experts on mast cell activation syndrome. One of the top scientists and really said in the presentation and that comes from Beth Oara, so I have to give her a shout because I learned that from her. He said, you know, EMF radiation causes mast cell degradation, and it happens fairly quickly. So and for people I learned about mast cell activation a little bit preparing about this because I was not aware of the new research, but the way understand it is that the mast cell will release histamine and cytokines and a bunch of things causing this sort of allergic reaction. And he said, pointing out a study in 2019 on rats, that it’s been, this 2019 study that was in, let me verify the International Journal of Morphology, and I can send it to you if that’s useful for

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Absolutely.

Nicolas Pineault

Some geeks out there. But basically what they use is a 900 megahertz EMF signal. That’s equivalent to a cell phone and even the 5G phones now go a little bit under that around 700. And it shows that one hour per day of exposure to rats, two Watts of power, which is pretty much a phone, for 45 days caused the granulation of the mast cells in the brain of these rats, if I understand correctly, but he said that it happens very quickly and that’s over 45 days. And in these studies and my review of the literature being a non-scientist, I asked other people that are way better than myself to, okay, what do you think about the EMF literature and what does it prove, what does it not prove, that’s really my harness, simple question as a citizen journalist. And one guy in particular Steve Weller from an organization that is dedicated to EMF research that’s independent said, well, Nick there’s barely any long term studies. 

Most of these rat studies are a few days, 45 days, 60 days, and you’ll be hard pressed to find a lot of studies that are over years. So what are we doing really thinking that we have safety standards or it, so the studies are not realistic or do not reflect how we’re using technology, because who who’s gonna use a phone for one hour per day, 45 days, right? No one, I use it more than one hour per day, and I gotta be careful of how I use it, I try to use it wired. But I mean, the average user it’s hours per day or hours per day in the pocket. So it’s really confirming when you have someone at the top of their field that said, EMFs cause fast de granulation of the mast cells, which is, and one of the causative agents of maybe that mast activation syndrome. And we have a rat study that is the first one of its kind that said, well, 45 days, one hour per day exposure. And I’m like, oh my God, but this is one device, right? So we don’t know the scope of how much all the devices and the overall cumulative exposure are leading or exacerbating the mast activation syndrome we’re seeing, but for sure it needs to be urgently looked at, right. It’s just how I see it, but that’s not the first time that scientists have talked about that.

So I really remember something from a colleague of mine called, Professor Holio Wanson, who’s a next Karolinska Institute Scientist, and he’s retired, but more active than ever, you know, how scientists are sometimes they kind of never stop. But what he said in two decades ago, he had a paper about that, that said, we think that electro hypersensitivity has a link with mast cell and histamine, so the mast cells release histamine, and it creates that flushing effect in some people that have, that have electro hypers sensitivity, they will talk on a phone and they will get a rash literally, you have some people that get too close to WiFi router, they get a rash. And now it’s hard to say, oh you know, this is a psychosomatic issue, oh yeah. I mean, the psychosomatic effect is pretty huge because I’m able to change my skin on the men. I mean, it’s almost, maybe it can happen, I don’t know the entire field of psychology, but it’s true that this is happening and that you have histamine release even in participants who feel nothing, and that’s the thing that’s from Holio Wanson’s research. So people listening to this that say, oh, that’s okay, I don’t have mast activation syndrome and maybe I know someone who, or I’m just curious listening to this presentation, it doesn’t matter if you feel it or you don’t feel it, you have that histamine release regardless. So it means that your biology is being disrupted on one level or another.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Right, yeah and for everyone who listens, you know, is listening to the summit, you’ll hear Beth and I talk over and over about this. And in all of our other work, you know, those mast cells are really sentinels, they’re protecting us and that one of the issues is like EMF is a negative stressor, right? And the problem with many of our stresses is we’re getting more and more and more and our mast cells are never getting time off. They’re supposed to do one where, so they become dysregulated and we have that ease of histamine release and Nick, I think it’s really interesting where we’re talking about psychosomatic potentials and stuff, and even, you know, it goes into like, hey, this is the psychiatric realm. And in the study that you talk about which is so key, the mast cells where they were measuring it was actually in this material called the dura mater, which is essentially the, the tough mother or the bag that protects the brain in the spinal cord.

Nicolas Pineault

Gotcha.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

So this isn’t in some soft cells, I mean, this is like literally in an area of your brain, that’s like a protector of you. And within the protector of you, we’re letting these pro-inflammatory, you know, histamine outta the mast cells. And the one thing about some of those tissues that I think people should understand is that you’re not going to see rapid removal of histamine. Like you might potentially have the opportunity to do in your blood. This is gonna take a lot longer to get out of these thicker tissues, you know?

Nicolas Pineault

Gotcha.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

So it’s like, this is almost like an acute on chronic thing, you get that acute exposure and it builds up now, you know, like everything Nick’s been talking about, you have the ability to heal from a lot of these things and minimize exposure and move forward.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

But it’s just really interesting like, I think that like one of the first, you know, as soon as like, you know, when I heard about this study, I’m like, oh my God, that’s amazing, and I’m like, where is it? And I’m like, oh my God, that’s really a harder place to clean it up afterwards. So it’s really important that we take simple, easy steps sort of earlier on to work on this. So that’s really, you know, and it’s Dr. Theo and the other folks who are doing all this, I’m just blown away 20 years ago, we knew about this.

Nicolas Pineault

Well they theorized it, that’s a thing. And I mean, you know how scientists are and Holio Wanson and his colleague I don’t recall his name exactly. So sorry for his colleague on that study. But they said, you know, it’s a theoretical model based up on mast cell and histamine to explain the recent proclaim sensitivity to electric and or magnetic fields in humans, that was around 20 years ago. And Holio Wanson is the one who did that scientific work to declare, to have the Swedish government declare that electro hypersensitivity is a functional impairment for, so you can in fact make claims in Sweden, I don’t know it happens that much because there, even though the research is there and officially it’s there, it’s like the American Disability Act, the ADA recognizes also that functional impairment, but applying it and making a claim is another thing. So a lot of times you get to have good attorneys and a lot of money. So it’s a bit, yeah, so that’s just the reality is there’s still a lot of disbelief, even though it’s recognized in certain countries, for example, but that’s the thing they really wondered, why is it that people are getting itchy from their screen? There’s a term that ecoined screened dermatitis, so it was a very bizarre term when he came up with it at the end of the nineties, beginning of two thousands. 

And yeah, one of his theory was, while it’s probably linked to mast cells, and now we have one of the top researchers in the field, what is it three years ago saying, yes, there there’s something there, we have to look at it. And when I was looking at mast cell activation syndrome, I saw that researchers, when they say, okay, well, what causes it? Part of it is triggered by environmental stressors. And that’s really where it falls. Like it might be right, I’ve never advocated, and maybe some people could blame me for that and say, oh, the EMF Guy, it’s not just about EMFs no, it’s not. But the problem I have when it comes to EMFs is, a lot of people know that chemicals are bad. Like, okay, who needs to drink more pesticides or who needs to be exposed to more arsenic in their drinking water? No one, and we’re starting to pick up on these things a lot of people have saw Flint Michigan happening and say, oh, I should, I don’t know if tap water, is that safe anymore, right. 

And all these problems we’re seeing in today’s world, but a lot of people tend to overlook EMFs are completely disregarded so this is really why I keep this battle going is to say guys, it needs to be put there even though it’s super inconvenient, maybe you need to lower your exposure of EMFs and start thinking about these things. Because if you’re trying everything you can to calm down your body in that mast cell activation syndrome, but you’re missing EMFs, this is a lot of functional medicine, doctors tell me we’re not getting the results that we want on certain protocols, for whatever conditions, including mast cells activation syndrome. And when we tell people to lower EMFs, then we really see a difference. So for some individual, it just looks like it is a factor that is so important for them to consider on top of everything else. So I know it’s a lot, but you just start with everything we talked about and you go from there. It doesn’t have to be a thing where you change everything all at once.

It’s just like improving your diet over time and improving your food sources and finding a farmer’s market and saying, okay, now my apples are gonna be organic and maybe next month is gonna be something else. With EMFs you gotta take it gradually, and I know it’s very uncomfortable at first, for some people changing their habits and turning off WiFi, what the heck is this? And sometimes the family is not on board, and a lot of family members might be in disbelief. And that’s part of the reason I wrote my book, but yeah, I wanna, I wanna be mindful or recognize and appreciate that for people listening to this, I might be a shock to them and then try to make the bridge with the family or your spouse. Sometimes it will be difficult. So you just gotta start by your own exposure and go from there and kind of introduce them slowly to the topic, yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Right, right. You know, it’s interesting the first time I really heard about the WiFi stuff, I did not have any insomnia or anything like that, but we started turning off the WiFi at night. And for two weeks I slept terribly.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah, you told me that a while back.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Yeah, yeah, and I feel like in rec, and then afterwards, I went back to normal sleep and it was great. But then a few weeks later I was up one night and a couple weeks later, maybe three weeks later, I’m like, I’m up one night. I’m like, what am I for? And the third time it happened, like, you know, three, four months later, I’m like, why am I up? I’m not usually up. I forgot to turn the WiFi off. And this is when we kind of like, you kind of gotta go to the timer. But what was really interesting was, my personal experience was, I almost I almost liken it to a EMF detoxification. My brain was so used to being stimulated at night, that then when it wasn’t there, it was like, wait, wait, what’s going on? And then afterwards I got used to not having it, and so when it was on, I noticed it more. And then I went and started using it with patients. And I would see people within one or two days, or maybe two or three weeks, their insomnia was like 50 to 90% better just by turning off the WiFi at night.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

So it’s not just, oh, well maybe you get a little less cancer, your histamine might be a little lower. I mean, this is like, I’m not sleeping, I’m sleeping.

Nicolas Pineault

And so that’s critical. One of the reasons I keep doing this work Dr. Thomas is because of doctors really who, because let’s face it. I can only spend so much time telling people to turn off their phone at night, eventually I’ll get bored. However, the reality is, and then also I always had this doubt in my mind, jumping into a topic that’s controversial, writing my book, and then always with a little doubt, am I crazier or what? Is this a serious topic? Will it really make that much of a difference? And a lot of people told me, Nick, you know, you’re saying all these things, but really will it make a difference if I turn off my WiFi at night, I see a hundred WiFis on my computer, but the proof is in the pudding. Now if we go back to the real world and forget about the clinical research and the controversy and who’s right and who’s not, when you test it and it works, then it says, oh okay well probably had a big impact, right? If you do dietary changes, you change your, I don’t know, you change a few of your key habits. 

Maybe you start eating until 8:00 PM and not until 10:00 PM, for example, just food timing at night and you sleep much better and you realize, wow, it makes a big difference. So it means that for me, that food timing is key, but exactly that’s true, you and other people the stories I heard from functional medicine doctors, and a lot of them at the top of their field, who told me Nick, after we did that podcast, after we did the summit, or after we met in person at one of the event, I was a keynote speaker at, we just told patients to turn off the WiFi at night, not even the whole thing, not even all this entire discussion about all the intricacies, just WiFi at night, and we saw a difference. So it’s really encouraged me because I said, my God, it’s so simple, I don’t have to sell a product. Although, I mean, I sell courses and things like that, but it’s almost too simple, right? You turn off a button and you sleep better.

And you’re like, okay, really, really could it be possible? Well, for some people, they see that much of a difference. So imagine what could it do if you start removing multiple of these sources and then some people see that, yeah, it improves my health tremendously. And I have to note that it’s not only the people that are among the sickest that see a difference, I’ve had bodybuilders professional athletes that say, you know, I’m at the top of my field, I feel very healthy, I have my, you know, my clinical results, my blood is healthy, like, I’m a healthy person, a super human. And you know what? I started turning off my cell phone at night and the WiFi and I sleep even better than very good, you know, so a lot of people are looking for that extra edge, so why not? You know, why not try it? And that’s really not a lot of people, I guess, those that want don’t wanna try it are still in disbelief about the entire topic, and maybe they wanna keep their head and say, no, don’t let me, nobody in that, that’s all tinfoil, right? So.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Well, it’s funny, it’s funny because like, there’s two, there’s two things, I have a little surprise for you, but before that. I talk so much about brain detoxification and the glymphatic system.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

And this is a system that we’ve talked, we’ll talk about we’ve, you know, at other talks in the summit more, but the system for detoxifying your brain primarily works in your sleeping, but what’s really interesting is that dura mater that, that got brought up in that study you brought up, you know, at the rats, where I want to clean out and and read sort of purpose of that histamine and get it back on track, bring down all the inflammatory cytokines you mentioned earlier, move those out of the dura mater, whether our lymphatic vessels and glymphatic drainage that happens in the dura mater, but again, primarily during sleep everyone. So when we’re saying, hey, turn off the, so if you’re worried about what’s going on with the phone exposure or the EMF from the, you know, during the day, at night not only is turning off your WiFi router gonna help you sleep better, but that sleep is gonna help you clean up from the other problem. So it’s very synergistic and it’s really like compound interest a very little bit of, doing a little bit of what Nick is talking about is the thing that’s gonna make a huge difference.

Nicolas Pineault

So that’s huge.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

I thought it was one of the most hilarious things ever is like, you’re telling me about your book, “The Non Tinfoil Guide to EMFs”, right? And so I, one of the things that, you know, the health entrepreneurs group where we met, every year, they’re like, hey, does anybody wanna do a submission for the best internet haters right? So our whole thing is like, if we’re out there saying something that we really truly believe in, we’re passionate, it’s backed by science. Someone’s gonna disagree with us because it’s not gonna go their thing. So I did, there was an article written about me and they had a guy and so I went and I redid it in a video. And so I pulled this up for you, I’m just gonna show you a clip from it, it’s literally just a still clip, but. So I got called out for talking crazy stuff.

Nicolas Pineault

Oh my God.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

And so I pulled out my WiFi router and made a tin foil hat and it was like the next thing I know Nick’s telling me about his “Non Tinfoil Guide to EMFs”, and I’m like, I was crying.

Nicolas Pineault

That’s so hilarious.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

There’s real science behind this guys.

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

So Nick, I was kind of bring, relearn people, I mean, we’re really clear on the, I mean the negative health impacts are potentially high, but it’s around us. We’ve talked about wiring our phone, we’ve talked about turning off our WiFi at night. In fact, stop turning it off, put it on a timer, go over the next website,

Nicolas Pineault

Yeah.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Grab a timer and just, or, you know, whatever timer you have, I mean get it, set it and forget it. Are there a couple of other things that people could potentially who are listening start to do now as they’re waiting for your book to show up, as they’re waiting to jump into a course, like what can they do to actually help themselves like.

Nicolas Pineault

You know, just moving a nightstand, that little table next to your bed. Well, often people have two right, even if you’re alone, it’s like the symmetrical design. And sorry, if it cuts off and I disappear is because there’s a, like a storm going on in here in Barcelona. So just a small side note, I hope I don’t disappear, but quickly, the nightstand should not be the place where you have all sorts of electronics. Some people charge multiple devices there, so not only can the devices emit that wireless radiation, but also the fact that they’re charging, they literally have a field around them, a magnetic field and an electrical field. These are other types of EMFs that can also impact sleep negatively. But the good news about these is that they’re pretty much local to the device. So let’s say if you have a arms length from different devices you’re fine from your pillow, so it just them go on your bed tonight and just try, can I touch anything, yeah. Two arms lengths, exactly. Just wave them around, and can I touch anything? 

And if you can touch a lamp, an alarm clock, and then you have multiple things on there, some people have more than one phone, just get them away as much as possible. I prefer battery powered, alarm clocks, for example, that have fewer of these problems, but just a general note that in your bedroom, you should not have all these devices like charging at night and all these kind of things. I see people have, they have their laptop in a corner and they charge the iPad, but they forgot to put in on airplane mode. Then they have the Kindle Fire, same problem. So sometimes they have seven devices and they don’t even think about it. So just get those out of the bedroom. Just like you want to have the right lighting, and the right pillow, and the right mattress, get those things outside the bedroom, because these are sleep, like they’re stressors. 

They’re sleep deprive deprivation devices pretty much, even some of the sleep trackers unfortunately lead to sleep problems, but that’s a whole can of , but I’m not a big fan of people who use a lot of Bluetooth devices at night either for that very reason. And it’s a bit tricky because some people use continuous glucose monitoring, some people use, you know, there are certain things that are medical in their nature, and that might help you. So in that case, you gotta take a personal decision about risk versus benefit. But generally speaking, if you are to use like sleep tracking, I’d rather have you use a phone on airplane mode and then maybe a nap that can work while on airplane mode or something like an Oura Ring, let’s say smart ring but it can be put on airplane mode at night, so it means that it will not ping Bluetooth. Sometimes I sleep like this, I mean, the Bluetooth would be right next to my face literally. So it’s not a good choice. So this is really what I would say for the bedroom. 

Because again I agree with you 110% that doctors tell me that, and EMF mitigation specialists, those engineers that come to your home and take readings and help you do these changes a little bit more in depth than just what you can do by yourself. They agree that nighttime is really where most of the impact is happening. So if you have to focus, do I worry about daytime of anything, cell phone, WiFi, or nighttime, it will be nighttime. So if you really take anything out of that conversation, it would be to just do these steps in the bedroom and start there. Like you should not worry, a lot of people, they worry, okay, well, you know, my toaster has a Bluetooth signal coming out of it, and I’m like, okay, okay, well, let’s forget about the toaster what’s in your bedroom, kind of redirecting your attention to what actually matters. But a lot of people, I’m not saying that this is a stupid question far from it, it’s just that it is overwhelming. You see those Bluetooth things everywhere, and the question is, okay, well, is it near a place where you spend multiple hours during the day? Even if it’s a, oh, I have this thing, it’s Bluetooth in my garage. 

Well, are you in the garage for hours and hours on end? And the, the answer sometimes is no. Okay, well, you know, leave it there for a moment. Focus on where’s your favorite sofa? Where’s your favorite place at the kitchen table? Where’s your home office and where’s your pillow? Like these are the places where you spend multiple hours and what’s around, right? So just focus on time of exposure, because again, these rats were exposed one hour per day for 45 days, right? So think about like all these hours that you can decrease exposure will really matter in the end, right. Cumulative exposure. So that’s really what I would leave people with is just try one step, start with the WiFi at night, or turn out the cell phone, get it outside the bedroom, and just go from there, like start with wanting. And if you find that for yourself or for your spouse or for your kids, you guys sleep better, it’s gonna be much more easier to convince them to take additional steps if they feel it themselves and feel the difference.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Absolutely, so well said. And I think the part I love about all this is, there’s so much hope here, it’s not like a death sentence. It’s like, you can make simple changes at night that are gonna make potentially profound changes in your health. And so that’s really awesome. Nick, thanks so much for joining us, man. This is like such an amazing topic. It looks like there’s some lightning out there too huh?

Nicolas Pineault

There there is, yeah, it’s just getting so weird here. I mean, we started the interview, it was just sunny and now I don’t, it’s the first time we have rain in days, so I cannot complain, it’s very, very hot here, but yeah, my pleasure, thanks for having me. And I hope that everyone got a love value out of this.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Oh, I’m sure we will. I mean, it’s such an important topic and a place where we can improve our health by doing such simple things that will bring down inflammation, decrease mast activation and you know, and our let our mast cells kind of like reregulate a little bit more. So, you know, I wanted to give you an opportunity to remind people where they can find you, and also, you know, remember you were saying that you’re gonna share with us a bonus for everybody who’s listening. So I’d love to you to just give us a quickie about that.

Nicolas Pineault

Sure, so the main website is that emfguide.com. there’s my book on there, there’s my course, electro pollution fix that helps you apply what you learn in the book. It’s really the practical application, what to do room by room inside your home basically, that’s really what I focused on in the last few years. I have practitioner training also which you’re aware of Electrosmog RX, that’s a bit more dated, but it’s still very, very relevant. And so all of this is on my website and the bonus for everyone listening to this, there’s a report I wrote that’s called “5G in Five Minutes”. A lot of people ask about 5G, okay, well, that’s all good, Why and what about 5G? I want to know about 5G because it’s so controversial, that’s a buzzword, a keyword on the internet that you hear a lot, and the reality is, well, 5G is quite simple to understand, once you read this report, you’re gonna read it in five minutes. It’s just a few pages and you’ll learn what 5G is, what might be the health effects and how it defers from previous technologies. And should you really worry about it? Or how much of a risk does it represent compared to your phone and previous Gs out there and the WiFi and Bluetooth stuff as well.

Tom Moorcroft, DO

Awesome, thanks so much, everybody, Nick the EMF Guy Pineault and Nick. Thank you so much again for being here with us and I’m Dr. Tom Moorcroft I appreciate you joining us for this episode of the Reversing Mast Activation Syndrome and Histamine Intolerance Summit. And until next time, we’ll see you then.