EMFs & Your Mitochondria: The Disturbing Science

Lloyd Burrell

Hi Laura, thank you so much.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, Lloyd, this is a really relevant topic we’re gonna be covering today. We’re gonna be talking all about EMFs in your mitochondria and really the disturbing science behind that. Now you are the creator of the EMF Health Summit, the Healing With Vibration Summit and bestselling author of the book “Healing With Vibration” and founder of the website, electricsense.com, which has had over 4 million visits since its inception in 2009, I mean, that is relevant, people wanna know this information. Your passion is really educating people about the dangers of electromagnetic fields and sharing solutions and helping people reconnect with the healing forces of nature. So I’m really excited to jump into this, before we get started, can you just explain to the audience and share how you got into this? Why this? I mean, this is a topic that it’s kind of not popular, to be the guy saying 5G might be hurting us. So how’d you get into this?

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah, no, it’s not popular. It’s not popular, like with my social acquaintances and things, it’s not a popular topic telling people that their cellphone could be dangerous, but that’s what happened to me was I realized literally from one moment to the next that my cellphone was dangerous and I had this reaction and this happened in 2002 and I answered my cellphone one day and I began to experience this pain. And people say to me, well, how did you know it was your cellphone? Well, it was like really simple, really obvious, phone next to the ear pain, phone away, no pain. And over the course of a few conversations, ’cause people were calling me, I was running a rental business and I was on out in nature in a forest basically, and it was great, the cellphone was great. It enabled me to do so much and grow my business and everything else and a few phone calls and I was like, I was really not in a good way. 

And it was just so obvious, that it was this cellphone because it was at the side of my head where I was getting these symptoms, this what I now call hot head prickly skin, this burning sensation at the side of my face, hot ear and kind of a headache, a wooziness, dizziness and sensitivity to light. So that was kind of the immediate symptoms, and then there were other symptoms that came on, in a very short time afterwards and it was this massive fatigue. And I’ve always been sort of a go getter and never had a day off work kind of person. And really, I was just like, I could sleep and sleep and sleep and I barely managed to get up in the morning and I was just zonked, no energy at all. Brain fog, confusion and anxiety and even depression. I’m not a depressive type at all and then there was a kind of these longer term symptoms, weight loss, weight gain, leaky gut, and this whole kind of mishmash of neurologic, immunologic, psychologic problems, symptoms, which developed over time. That’s what happened to me, that’s what’s happens to certain other people and so it was a cellphone with me and then it was the computer, the TV, the radio in the car, even the corded landline. And so I was in this like nowhere to run nowhere to hide kind of situation, 2002. 

And there wasn’t all this information out there then. And thankfully it took me best part of 10 years to get my health back on track. And thankfully I can say today, I no longer suffer the debilitating symptoms. But just to be clear, is that the cellphones and the EMFs, electromagnetic fields don’t impact everybody like impacts Lloyd, but there’s a growing population they do impact, and we’re gonna get into the science. I know I’m gonna talk about that a little bit. What we do know what the science is telling us really very clearly is that these EMF exposures impact everybody, they affect everybody. And also that there’s this cumulative effect, over time, it grows. So it’s not because you can’t feel it, the EMFs aren’t impacting, hence the relevance for everybody.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, so I mean, looking back at it now, it’s like, thank goodness this happened to you because it puts you on this path to helping people. There’s always something good that comes out of this bad experience. But at the time it must have been horrible, and then to realize, oh my gosh, it’s these simple everyday tools that we have, they’re causing a problem. And like you mentioned, not everybody reacts the same, but it is affecting all of us. Don’t be fooled just because you don’t have the symptoms Lloyd did it doesn’t mean it isn’t affecting you on some other cellular kind of silent way. So can you talk to us, let’s break down what are EMFs? What are EMFs and how do we get exposed to them? What are the main exposures?

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah, so what when I say EMFs, what I mean is electromagnetic fields. Some people experts even say EMFs and they mean electromagnetic frequencies, other experts say EMR for electromagnetic radiation. And there’s all these terms, but sort of the term, which is most commonly used is EMF, electromagnetic field. And what we’re actually talking about is manmade electromagnetic fields, because we actually live in a electromagnetic world and we’re actually in an electromagnetic universe. And when we look down at the cellular level, what’s really going on? We talk about you go to the doctor and they’re giving you pills and stuff, and which is chemistry, but what’s above the chemistry is actually electromagnetic, electrical, it’s charges, it’s charge potential, voltage, cell brain, just the cell itself. It’s the cell membrane potential is like one of the ways we understand how healthier person is we can actually measure that. 

So EMFs, and there’s really two categories of EMF, very simple. There’s a wireless and there’s a wired and there’s a growing awareness of the wireless in the 20 odd years now that I’ve really been exploring this topic. Thankfully there’s a growing awareness, and one of the reasons there’s a growing awareness is because of different episodes, like there was a smart meter episode in about 2012, 2014. And then lastly, there’s been the 5G episode and there’s been a lot of fear mongering about the whole 5G, and I can address that specifically if you like. But all of that is actually radio frequency, microwave radiation, all of these words that are being used, smart, Bluetooth, they’re like marketing words, but what we’re actually talking about is radio frequency, microwave radiation. And there’s a word in there probably that people think, hang on a minute, I’ve heard that word microwave. 

You mean like microwave oven? Well, yeah, just like a microwave oven. It’s actually very similar frequencies, practically identical-ish, 2.4. So it depends on where you are in the world as to what frequencies are used, but… And can we say microwave is worse or the cellphone radiation is worse or the WiFi is worse? It’s very difficult to compare, but what we do know is that all of those like WiFi and cellphones and so on, their frequency is laden with data and they’re complex frequencies. And that’s the problem is we did not evolve as a species to be surrounded by these aliens frequencies basically, and they’re not natural, they’re not what this planet generates, and this planet generates its own frequencies. The frequencies of nature, the frequencies of the magnetic field, which is in this core of the earth, we’ve got that core, which generates this magnetic field, which can be measured, which your compass, that’s how compass works from North, South. 

So we’re in this very electromagnetic world, we’re electromagnetic beings. And so, like go figure, oh yeah, so cellphone radiation impacts the air? That’s the why, is because that’s how our cells, that’s how our bodies communicate. We’re surrounded by this biofield of energy. We’ve got hard sites behind that, which is not talked about a lot either and how the cellphones and wireless and so on impact that biofield, which is above this physical structure which we see. So we’ve got the wireless and then we’ve got the wired. And I’m always keen to talk about the wired is because it’s little talked about, but it’s another big danger. And it’s like, people are thinking, well, yeah, hang on a minute, so wired, but wires are okay because the electricity’s in the wire. Well, yeah, the electricity’s in the wire, but unfortunately it doesn’t stay in the wire because most of the wiring in homes is plastic coated Romax and it emanates out into the room and into you. And this can actually be measured.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Is this what we call dirty electricity?

Lloyd Burrell

So it’s part of that. So there’s dirty electricity, there’s magnetic fields and there’s electric fields. And so those are really the four categories. And so it’s a radio frequency, microwave radiation, wireless and then we’ve got those three kinds of EMF, which are the dirty electricity, the magnetic fields and the electric fields and all that is emanating from wires, principally.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, so I mean, we can’t get away from this. Our homes are wired, our businesses are wired, unless you live in a tent or a cabin out in the middle of nowhere, we’re exposed to this.

Lloyd Burrell

We are, we cannot live in this modern… And that was my challenge. How to live in this modern world and live well, when you become sensitized to all of this, ’cause all this is just kind of theoretical until it really hits you and you do feel it. And you shared a story with me, you felt it in this stadium where you went to see this artist and all the people are feeling it in different ways, but they’re not always putting two and two together. And I was fortunate because it was so clear with my cellphone. But yeah, so that’s basically what we’re talking about, we’re talking about wired and wireless. It’s true, we can’t get away from it, but it’s true, there’s a lot we can do to minimize the exposures and I can get onto solutions in a little bit, so that we can live normally, so that we really can live normally. And I even have a cellphone today, I had no cellphone for 19 years and I’m back to using a cellphone again, not putting the cellphone to my ear and I’ll explain how I’ll use it, but yeah. So it’s all about really, a lot of this is just simply understanding, it’s education and people are not aware of the danger and they’re not aware of what they need to do to protect themselves.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, so now we’ve got these two categories, we got wired and not wired, and we’ve established that these EMFs are around us. Now, can we talk a little bit about danger because we are electromagnetic beings, as you pointed out, the earth has an electromagnetic field, there’s this electromagnetic field up here, down here, why are they dangerous? Are they dangerous? What’s the problem here?

Lloyd Burrell

We have got thousands of studies showing that not only are they dangerous, I mean, clear links to cancer. I mean, this is going back actually, since before we started dishing out pills willy-nilly, we had an understanding of the body as an electrical system and the pioneers of medicine, they were studying this and they understood this. And then somehow money got in the way and it’s all kind of been sidetracked. But if we look back the father of modern electricity, Nikola Tesla, he, not Nikola, Tesla, , Tesla and Dosengal, a doctor back in the 1890s, they were doing studies on this, and they found that electricity exposure to EMFs impacted perspiration, respiration and body weight. And even before that, I mean, like I said, right back to when they discovered electricity, they were doing these experiments. And unfortunately, many of these brilliant minds of the past, including Tesla got very sick, the kind of Marie Curie effect through their experiments. 

And then if we look into the 20th century, then we’ve got really so much science and the Russians have done a lot of research on this. And early on, and post-war 1930s, 1960s, we have now in the West thousands of peer-reviewed studies, thousands of peer-reviewed studies. We’ve got reports like the BioInitiative Reports, people wanna go online and look BioInitiative Report, or bioinitiative.org, I think it is there, which brings together these peer-reviewed studies. And we’ve got federal studies, which has shown a clear link between for instance, cellphone radiation exposures, and cancer. And we’ve got science on all of this and why? It’s because it’s how these exposures, these manmade electromagnetic field exposures impact us at a cellular level. And one of the things, one of the key things of how they impact us, one of the key ways they impact us is how they impact our mitochondria.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay, so let’s go there. What do we know about EMF damage and mitochondria? And what’s the science here? And I’m assuming that, for people who don’t have the type of reaction that you did, where you have a physical response, they may be having a response at the cellular mitochondrial level and the symptoms manifest in ways that they don’t even realize.

Lloyd Burrell

Exactly, that is exactly it, unfortunately. So one of the primary ways EMFs damage your cells is by increasing oxidative stress. And the principle why they do this is by letting too much calcium into the cell. And this has been really looked at really, well very closely by a gentleman called Dr. Martin Paul from Washington State University, professor emeritus. And I’m not gonna go down the rabbit hole of explaining all of that, but it’s a dysregulation of these voltage gated calcium channels for people who wanna get really geeky and look into that they can, but that’s the big picture, letting too much calcium into the cells. And if we go a bit more granular and zoom in, we also know that EMFs disrupt the flow of calcium once inside your cells. So they allow too much calcium to pass into your mitochondria. 

So your mitochondria and I’m sure everybody knows what this says, but just to be clear, if this is like the first interview you’re listening to, it’s these little organelles, which are in most of your cells and many of your cells have hundreds of these mitochondria. And what’s important about the mitochondria is that they produce, they’ve got the machinery, the enzymes to produce this energy, this ATP molecule, which is the primary energy currency of your cells. And when the calcium inside your mitochondria increases, yeah, which is what the EMFs do, that’s where the damage takes place. And notably, we have a reduced ability to create the ATP, the energy currency, and we have increased oxidative stress. And that is like just on its own, it’s a red flag. 

It’s very, clear, it’s not just EMFs that create oxidative stress, toxins generally are creating Oxidative stress and we live in this toxic world. So all of that eventually contributes to perhaps, premature cell death. In any case, all of that opens a door to what I call this ease. And so broadly, how do EMFs impact our cells at the cellular level? They release this excess calcium into the cells, which initiates this cascade of molecular events and that ultimately results in an increase in free radicals, these highly reactive molecules, these free radicals that then damage your cell membranes, damage the proteins, damage the mitochondria, the stem cells, your mitochondrial DNA and your nuclear DNA. And by the way, all this leads to nearly exactly the same damage as being exposed to ionizing radiation. And ionizing radiation, X-rays, gamma rays, Chernobyl, all of that, that’s the bottom line, it’s goes like-

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It’s a slower smolder than the rapid damage caused by radiation?

Lloyd Burrell

Exactly, because it doesn’t have the energy. And that is basically the definition between ionizing and nonionizing. Some guys, some scientists draw a line down the electromagnetic spectrum and he said, this is safe, this is not safe. And the nonionizing, which is what I talk about, these manmade EMFs, we’ve declared that they’re safe. And yet we’ve got these thousands of studies, which prove the country and people, thousands, millions of people around the world that are living these very restricted lives because that’s what happens. And then these millions of people, so they’re millions of people like me, they’ve put the two and two together, and then these other millions of people clueless, the EMFs are driving these, they are contributing anyway, at very least to whatever health challenges that they’re facing.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, so let’s talk about those health challenges for just a second. So what you’ve just established is how damaging EMFs are on the cellular level. And we also know from all the other talks on this summit, that mitochondria are critical for your wellbeing, your health. And we also know when mitochondria are dysfunctioning, it leads to chronic inflammatory diseases, cancer, heart disease, autoimmune disorders, gut imbalance, brain disorders, neurodegenerative disorders. So this is a huge critical piece. And I’m gonna ask you to go somewhere right now. I mean, we’re gonna get into what we can do to protect ourselves, but is it safe for you to talk about why this is happening? I mean, it’s like follow the money trail, right? So if these are so damaging and we know it, and the science is there, why so much advancement in technology? Why 5G? Why are we not pulling back on this?

Lloyd Burrell

Money, money, power. Why are all these things happening? I mean, we’re not gonna talk about COVID or any of that, right? But if you look at what’s really happening, you understand what’s really happening, it’s really not that many people making the wrong decisions. And then it’s really a lot of people not asking questions, just following like sheep what everybody else is doing. And there are clear cases in terms of these EMFs of scientists, which are doing the research, and the research has been buried. They’ve said, and they were getting funding from the military, for instance, Dr. Frey, who did some brilliant work in the 1970s on the blood brain barrier and now we’ve got this… So how the wireless radiation impacts the blood brain barrier, this barrier, which protects your brain, yeah, the word says it all. And very, very clear and he was told, well, listen, my friend, you either you stop doing this research or we take the money away. And the scientists have been told the same, over and over again.

And then the science has been war gamed that is coming out and environmental health trust has done some brilliant work on this, Dr. Devra Davis, formerly with the Clinton administration has written about this, who’s doing just amazing work sharing what’s going on with regard to 5G, notably. And I believe they started about the time of the smart meters when all that came onto the scene. But yeah, it’s about money, unfortunately, because every time there’s a new… The new thing has been the 5G but every time they bring out, and 5G is just a marketing term, really, that’s what it is, because 5G doesn’t mean anything particularly, specifically, ’cause it means different things in different countries, but it’s all about driving the demand to sell the phones, to build the infrastructure and to feed the beast.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Absolutely, thank you for taking a minute to go there. And it’s a hard thing to accept, we all rely on our devices, I mean, I’m talking to you on a laptop right now, I’m communicating and running my business through a cellphone and my husband owns a business. If it weren’t for his cellphone, we’d be in trouble. So how do we live, let’s go there now, how do we live our lives safely, in a healthy manner, using technology to our advantage, but minimizing the effects that it has on our health? Because I know you’ve got some good tips here, what do we do to protect ourselves?

Lloyd Burrell

Well, I’m gonna share three, I’m gonna address three aspects, and those three aspects are how to use a cellphone safely. they’re how to use WiFi safely, and also I’m just gonna talk about wiring very briefly. But before that, I’m just gonna share my protocol because it’s a great protocol and it’s a bit of fun and it’s called the UMM. And already, when you say it, it makes you feel great, yeah?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, UMM.

Lloyd Burrell

But what Lloyd’s actually means is U for understand, M for measure and M for mitigate. And it’s a way of thinking about EMFs and doing something about it and dealing with them. and whatever EMF we’re talking about, then we apply the UMM. And the first thing is to understand, and that’s what we’re doing today. If this is the first time you’ve heard about this, you think, well, my God, who is this guy with a strange accent and is telling me my cellphone’s dangerous? But yeah, don’t believe me go online, go to my website or not, but there’s research on there. Look at the independent research anyway, I’ve given you a few references today, places you can go and look at independent research, it’s understanding all of this. And it is a bit complex, initially there is a bit of a learning curve, but it’s not rocket science, it takes a bit of time, but boy, is it worth it because we’re in this electromagnetic world, which is going crazy, it’s going haywire, all of this.

And we need to protect ourselves, protect our kids, and remind me to talk about kids lastly, ’cause that’s super important, that’s why I started this. So we understand, we need to understand really the dangers, because if we don’t begin to understand the dangers, we’re never really gonna do anything about it, are we? It’s just gonna be another abuse of bit of useless information, which we’ve acquired, which we don’t do anything with. But once you begin to understand this, it’s actually pretty freaky. I mean, it’s kind of freaking out people, is like, oh, don’t want to know anything about it. And then they start looking about it and it’s oh my God, can this be true? So that’s the first thing of the UMM, it’s the U for understand. 

And then it’s to measure. At some point, you’re gonna need to have to measure ’cause otherwise you’re in the dark. And it’s really simple now to measure, we’ve got these inexpensive meters, EMF meters, and I’ve got one here for instance, to show you, which is a TriField, TF2 and it measures, I’m not saying it’s the best meter. It’s American made and that’s helpful these days, with all the supply chain problems and it measures three kinds of EMF and it’s a point and shoot kind of meter, it costs about $180, something like that. And it enables you to measure electric fields and magnetic fields. It makes a noise, it shows on the dial, what the reading is and radio frequency radiation, super simple. You need a meter like that, and with a meter like this, which is the Stetzerizer meter, you can measure… You got one of them?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I’ve used that one in my house, my parents’ house, yep.

Lloyd Burrell

So you measure, you know how simple that is? I mean really that’s a no-brainer, simple, it measures dirty electricity, and you want a reading below 50 GS units, the proprietary units.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So really quick while we’re talking about this, I measured my parents’ house, it was built about 30 years ago, and there were rooms that were over a thousand when I plugged it into-

Lloyd Burrell

Exactly.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes, and so I wanna make sure we talk about how, like it’s not realistic for them to rewire their whole house, so I know there’s some solutions. So I wanna get into that too. So let’s keep going on the meters, keep going on meters.

Lloyd Burrell

So the UMM understand, M for measure at some point, not tonight or today when you’ve finished listening to this, but that’s where you need to be going, that’s the direction ’cause otherwise you need to be measuring or get somebody in like a building biologist, an EMF consultant who can do it for you. But in any case you want a meter, you want your own meter because for me it’s as important as having a screwdriver in your home. Because everything you bring into your home is a potential source of EMF. And you need to know what’s going on and you particularly need to know what’s going on in your bedroom, which I can talk about, also if we’ve got time, that’s a lot. But anyway, so that’s the U for understand, M four measure and then the other M is to mitigate and that’s like the doing something like the solution, what the heck do we do with this? Okay, I’ve got a reading now, what do I do? And what does that mean? So there’s three aspects to mitigation. The first is turn it off, turn it off, just turn the darn thing off.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Just turn it off.

Lloyd Burrell

Beautiful, this guy’s brilliant. , I never thought of that. I didn’t know it got an on off switch, you know?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, who turns their phones off? I mean, you don’t reset-

Lloyd Burrell

Nobody turns their phone off.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Nobody turns their phone off.

Lloyd Burrell

Only when it doesn’t work, it won’t work, bang it on the desk, it won’t work, Oh, I better turn it off, turn it back on again. But yeah, turn it off, whatever it is. Obviously, if it’s your fridge freezer and you’ve got your joint whatever, you don’t wanna, by turning it off and you’d be looking for other solutions. But that’s the first thing, whatever it is in your home, so all of these mitigation strategies can be applied differently depending on what the exposure is. So yeah, you can turn off your cellphone and yeah, you can turn things off in your home. If you can’t do that, then you increase the distance. And one of the things really, which is super easy to remember, and if you only remember this from this whole talk, then it’s this, distance is your friend. And we all need friends, I think we need friends more and more to that. 

I don’t know about you Laura, but the world’s going crazy, and like true friends are difficult to find. It’s like, I don’t know, it’s getting a bit screwy, I find, but distance is a true friend in terms of EMFs, distance is a true friend. And so it’s not like just slightly better when you gain a little bit of difference. Just millimeters can reduce your exposure, millimeters between you and the cellphone, and I’m not saying hold it there instead of there, and I’ll get onto the cellphone in a minute, but just millimeters away can reduce your exposure to, for instance, cellphone radiation, this radio frequency microwave radiation, thousands of times, millimeters. So imagine what centimeters or feet or whatever units you’re in can do? So distance is your friend and then-

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So don’t put the router in your bedroom?

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay, got it.

Lloyd Burrell

Yeah, and other things as well, and I’ll get to that. But yeah, the bedroom’s super super important. And the third thing we can do in terms of mitigation is to shield. But I’m not gonna go into that because that’s kind of a bit technical and shielding is actually a last resort. And the thing is, once people realize the dangers, it’s like, oh my God, how do I shield this? But we only shield when we have to, and we only shield when we’ve taken readings with the meter, we know where we are, we have a specific protocol, measure before, shield, measure after, shield a bit more da, da. And that’s how it goes. So that’s Lloyd’s protocol on-

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So you’re not telling everybody to go build a Faraday cage in their bed-

Lloyd Burrell

I’m not.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Right off the bat? Okay.

Lloyd Burrell

Here’s the thing and you read it in my bio, and it was the last sentence. And it’s about nature, it’s about reconnecting with nature, all of this, it’s a disconnect, reconnect, and that’s what this technology does the other way around. It connects us into this crazy world of social media and all it’s doing the screens, the blue light and the EMFs. And it’s a whole package of nastiness, which is destroying our health. And we need to disconnect from that and reconnect with nature and go in and go and live in a Faraday cage. And I’m not saying it’s according to circumstances, and this is something to be determined with a professional really, if you’re gonna go that far and find Faraday canopies, can be bought for about a thousand dollars. So it’s pretty big investment for most people, and that’s something you’d put over your bed, but it’s last resort, shielding is always last resort and we can do so much by looking at both sides of the coin. And that’s what has enabled me to honestly, I never felt so great. I’m 55, it’s like, I really I’ve never felt so great. And this all happened 20 years ago and I felt crap, I just felt like crap.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Let’s talk about what are some of the simple things. So let’s say people get meters, they’re finding sources, they’ve got dirty electricity in the walls, they’re finding their router, their alarm system on their home, their laptops, their office space. What are you gonna recommend people do if shielding is a last resort and how do they solve this?

Lloyd Burrell

Well, I’ll tell you, what I recommend the people do is I recommend, firstly, let’s start with that little device, which for most people is perhaps the single biggest exposure. And obviously that is a big generalization, ’cause it depends where you live, what you do, your home, mainly it’s your home really, and for certain people their work. But it’s really mainly about the home, what goes on in your home, which is actually all under your control for most people anyway, unless they’re, so if you’re in shared accommodation and rented accommodation, but we’ve all got some purchase on that. And so it’s a cellphone, it’s just what we do with that cellphone, isn’t it? Because everybody’s got a cellphone, even Lloyd’s got a cellphone after 19 years and it’s about learning how to use it more safely and learning how to use it more safely is actually about deactivating it as much as possible, deactivating everything wireless around it, the Bluetooth, the cellular, the GPS, whatever, however it communicates deactivate it. And we can deactivate it on most phones by going to airplane mode. And so the phone, when we do that already, that is a massive-

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So here’s something tricky that I’ve noticed has happened with recent upgrades, when you go to airplane mode, it doesn’t necessarily deactivate everything.

Lloyd Burrell

Exactly, you actually have to go into the settings and you have to… And that’s back to why we need one of these things is because of why, otherwise you’re in the dark, even with your cellphone and it’s super important. But in any case, you don’t wanna be carrying your cellphone on your body, so for a woman it’s easier ’cause women have bags, purses and things, but for a man, men in France actually have those too, so it’s okay, but you don’t want it on your body because it’s in your biofield again, this personal energy field, which surrounds us all. You want it outta that ideally, but certainly again, distance is your friend, away from you, as far as way as possible, and there’s certain places you don’t wanna be using. You wanna be looking at the bars, you want all those bars to be on there. You know how they’ve got the bars, and it tells you the signals strength? Well, if you are like down to one bar, that means your phone is working its little socks off to communicate with the cell tower, and that is bad news. 

And it depends on the phones, but maybe a million times upping its game, your phone to maintain contact with the cell towers. So that’s why the cellphone look at the bars, airplane mode, keep it off your body, and so all of that means not to be using in a car because it’s unlikely, you can get the four bars on a car because you’re in a metal cage, which is already a bit of a Faraday cage and you don’t wanna be using it in basements and places and elevators and places like that. And it’s just, when you begin to think about it, it’s a lot of common sense and texts don’t talk, I’m not saying text is a hundred percent safe either, ’cause I’ve got hundreds, if not thousands of people which have commented on my website saying I’ve got this pain in my hand/arm from when I’m doing texting and I’ve got friends even who’ve said this to me too. 

So that’s not completely safe either. So that’s the first thing very, very quickly, and there’s more to be said obviously, but I’m just trying to give people a taste of what they can do and they can do simple things to make it safer to use your cellphone. You can also buy a case and the special cases which exist to make it safer, I can develop on that if you want. So that’s the cellphone and then we’ve got the WiFi. So what’s the deal with the WiFi? Well, the deal with the WiFi is because it is radio frequency microwave radiation, mostly 2.4 gigahertz, five or so gigahertz and it’s 24/7 and most people are sleeping in WiFi 24/7. So here’s my number one recommendation to start with, is to switch the darn modem router off at night when you go to bed. And I had this idea about 10 years ago with a Christmas tree in our living room was we got this timer and it was switching on and off. And I was thinking, that’s what people need to use on their modem routers cost $10 and you plug it in via the timer and it switches itself off at night, and that’s a super important recommendation.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, the thing that we come up against with that is people’s alarm systems and cameras on their homes are now wireless. And so you shut the WiFi off and you’re sleeping at night without your alarm system. So the solution there I’m assuming is go wired, a wired alarm system.

Lloyd Burrell

The solution there is to go wired. Yes, and which is an expense and then it’s a choice. We’ve always got these choices and some of them are a bit tougher than others and there’s other ways of doing it. There’s other ways of having the communication without it going through the modem router or we can move it further away or we can shield partial shield the bedroom, more sophisticated solutions. But that’s like a solution which I’m guessing most people don’t have alarms that are watching this. So yeah, we’ve got alarm, I guess you’ve got an alarm, but anyway, everybody doesn’t have an alarm. And WiFi generally the second recommendation, is to replace it with hard wiring, ethernet cable. So I’m on this little laptop, ’cause it’s got this great little camera, but it’s all wired. I’ve got the desktop, I’ve got the printer, keyboard, the mouse all wired, there’s wires everywhere, I agree, but it’s so much safer.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

So what do we do about the dirty electricity in the walls? So people use the Stetzerizer, they discover that they have a greater than 50 reading that readings up in the multi hundreds, up to a thousand, what do you do?

Lloyd Burrell

Well, let me just answer with regards, I’ll come back to that in a second, if that’s okay, but I’ll just wanna say to people, the first thing to do and this significantly reduces the dirty electricity in your bedroom, and that’s the most important room there is in terms of EMF exposures. So it’s like the cellphone, the WiFi, and there is a very clear logic to what I’m explaining because we are getting the most bang for our buck and it’s the bedroom because it’s when you’re at night that all the magic happens in terms of cellular rejuvenation, regeneration, hormonal processes, secretion of melatonin, et cetera. And EMF exposures, notably WiFi, it shuts all this down, it compromises all of that, therefore compromises your health, therefore it’s to be avoided at all costs. And one easy way to possibly tackle this, and I say possibly, is to just go to the breaker panel, that box with all the fuses or all the trips and switch off the trip for the bedroom, perhaps switch off the trip for the adjoining circuits. 

And that will eliminate almost electric fields, magnetic fields and dirty electricity. There might be some residual on there and there might be some circuits, which are nearby, but that really is so easy to do. And I say possibly because sometimes people’s electrical systems are a bit weird and wonderful. I mean, even electricians don’t understand why that causes spike here when we’ve done that. And so it can cause an issue, but what I say is do that for seven nights and see how you feel. And like the number of times I’ve recommended this and people have said, they’ve done it one night, and then the next morning they’ve said to me, wow, it was like peace, it was like, I don’t know, I’ve forgotten what that felt like. because it was such a change for their cells and what it was doing and they were like disruption and it was suddenly maybe not eliminated, but significantly reduced. So that’s something easy to do and again, I’m always saying to people, y’all, listen to your body, listen to your body. 

Okay, listen to Lloyd a bit, listen to Laura a bit, listen to other experts, but above all, listen to your body, really. And so to answer your question with regard to the dirty electricity, when you put your little meter in and it gives you a thousand and I had that, I had 1600, I was doing a video showing how the thing worked with my son in the bathroom. And I switched on the light above the shower and it went to 1600, oh my God. And I thought, wow, I’ve tested all of this, but with a fault on the bulb, ’cause bulbs can like fusion together a bit in the filament and it can create a fault, it can create dirty electricity, simple things like that, and that can be from one day to the next. And that’s why you need the meter because it’s constantly changing all of this, your EMF environment is constantly changing and you don’t know unless you’re getting the meter out every now and again, taking readings. And so what to do in term with this dirty electricity? Well, there’s several things to do when you get that reading of a thousand or 1600, as I did. 

With my 1600 reading, it was easy ’cause I’d isolated it because I got the meter and light on, and that’s why I never… I mean, you only switch the shower, it’s the light above the shower, you only switch that on when you go in the shower and it’s like the one light, you don’t really use that much and not for long. And so we just replaced the bulb and that solved the problem. And other times it will be, so often with dirty electricity and we’re getting a bit more technical than I usually get, but the starting point is actually to firstly, make sure your wiring system is all tip top and there’s no wiring errors. ‘Cause the number of homes with wiring errors that are creating magnetic fields, that are feeding into this dirty electricity, it is off the scale because unfortunately, brand new homes can be put on the market, sold, people move in and they meet electrical code, but they do not protect people from these EMFs, unfortunately, that’s where we are. So that’s what to do, replace that thing or introduce filters. And we have filters if you can’t… So if it’s that thousand dollars fridge freezer or I don’t know, stereo system, whatever, or great big TV, flat screen TV, whatever, then it would be to introduce a filter. We have filters technical solutions that you either put on the electrical outlet, you can put it on yourself and then you measure or is it gone down? We need a second one or you get an electrician in and he installs something at the breaker box for the whole house.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I’m so glad to hear there’s a solution. And this is why you’d say shielding is a last resort because you wanna get to the source of the problem.

Lloyd Burrell

You do, and the problem with shielding, the problem with shielding is people rush to shield and then they actually make things worse. And they might not make things worse in an EMF way because they maybe follow the protocol with the meter, but any kind of shielding you’re introducing non-natural materials into your home, you’re introducing sophisticated shielding products. And again, did we evolve to live surrounded by sophisticated shielding products? No, we didn’t.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

No something else comes to mind. This is something that I experienced, in my years of working in Western medicine, people would say, well, I’m on a drug for cholesterol and diabetes, therefore I can eat whatever I want. Because it’s almost seems to me like you go crazy shielding and now it gives you this false sense of well, then I can have everything I want on and I can have Alexa in my house and I can do the wearable devices. So that seems like a, just for that alone.

Lloyd Burrell

That analogy actually is a good one, and I would apply that to the whole EMF gimmick, harmonizer resonate to kind of thing. And that’s a little bit unkind gimmick, and that’s a question people ask a lot, what works? I mean, and now, I mean because when I, from one day to the next became electrically sensitive, did I wanna learn about EMFs? No way, I just wanted to buy whatever I needed and put in my home, put on my phone and it all to go away. I wasn’t interested in learning any of this. And so ’cause people said, well, what’s the best pendant, harmonizer, et cetera, to buy?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Or a sticker to put on your phone.

Lloyd Burrell

Sticker to put on your phone. Well, the best thing to do is the UMM because the UMM is a scientific approach and it sounds a bit cookie, I mean, Lloyd, he put it to UMM, okay, he made it into those three letters, which you can remember, but this is what EMF consultants have been using for decades, this approach more or less, that’s the same framework and do the UMM first. Do the UMM as best you can and then go out and buy that pendant, then go out and buy that home room harmonizer, then go out and spend, so I mean, some of these things are 3,000, $5,000, and they do X, Y, Z, and some of them have got science. And people say, “Well, does it work?” 

Well, yeah, some of it works for some people some of the time, whereas the UMM, that works for everybody, measurable, mitigation that works for everybody. And it’s a bit like putting money in the bank with the UMM because then it gives you certain freedoms in terms of your everyday life, and particularly when you go really rigorous in terms of EMF protection around your bedroom. Honestly, I think it’s the most important. One of the most important things you can do for your health is reduce EMF exposures in your bedroom. Frankly, when you look at the science, ’cause it’s not just about EMFs, you know, we’re talking about EMFs today, it’s not just about EMFs, what it’s really about, it’s EMFs and all the other toxins, that’s the problem. And that I learned the hard way because I dealt with EMFs and I was still really sick. And it wasn’t until I started looking at the big picture holistic that I began to gain some traction.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, so this has been really practical advice and I’m really appreciative that you’re not telling people, well, you gotta buy shielding paint and paint your whole house and you gotta… I mean, this gets into multi thousands of dollars of solutions when it could be as simple as switching off a breaker, distancing yourself, wiring your computers. I mean, these are really inexpensive solutions over the long run. So I really appreciate, because I think a lot of people get some pretty crazy advice out there and it becomes, kind of World War III between you and your spouse and the family and trying to… I mean, it’s really upsetting and disruptive.

Lloyd Burrell

It is, it creates massive conflicts ’cause you get the one person, for instance, maybe you are like, oh yeah, I’ve understood, I’ve looked at the science and then your husband partner doesn’t wanna know anything about it. Okay, I’ve got my cellphone, I’ve got my life and yeah.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

This is where the meters come in handy because you can actually measure and see and the kids get involved. So when we measured our house, we had our teenager involved and she could see when she holds that iPad on her lap and we were measuring her body voltage as well. And she could see like, oh this is really doing something, and on that note, something else you can do, I like to use devices, healing devices, like PEMF for example. Well, we have a solar battery that we plug into when we use that on our body. If I wanna sleep on a PEMF mat all night long, I’m not gonna plug it into the wall, I’m actually gonna plug it into a battery because it’s significantly lower body voltage at that point. So just other solutions like that, like get a solar battery, There are times when I’ve actually, I can hook this whole office up to a solar battery instead of plugging everything into the walls and it significantly reduces .

Lloyd Burrell

Absolutely, but with any solution like that, the first thing I will be doing is getting a meter around that solar battery, and making sure that there isn’t an issue in any way.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, it’s not nothing, it’s decreased, it’s not zero, but it’s better than when I plug it into the wall to use the device, for example. So for example, my daughter has had struggle with cystic acne, and one of the things that we can use is red light therapy to help heal the acne. But it’s a whole device that she sits under, it runs off of electricity, you gotta plug it into the wall. And I tested her body voltage when she was under that and it was off the charts. So we then plugged her into the battery instead and it was much better. So she gets the therapy and the healing of the red light, so this is an example of using modern technology, red light therapy is amazing.

Lloyd Burrell

It’s amazing.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

But there’s this other side, yeah.

Lloyd Burrell

We’ve got brands also that have addressed EMF issue like SaunaSpace. Brian Richards at SaunaSpace studied this with an EMF consultant. Also Robyn Openshaw’s got a product out Influence Sauna. She’s looked at this also with a building biologist. So there are solutions out there for that and that is anything electrical is a potential EMF source. And so we’re back to the meter, we’re always back to the meter. But already I think today in what I’ve shared, you’ve seen that so many of the things you can do, which are in your power to do which cost nothing, would just require a little bit of effort, and that’s to where to start.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Absolutely. You had mentioned, don’t let you forget to talk about children. So in the few minutes we have left here, would you mind talking about children and what your thoughts are there?

Lloyd Burrell

So I started talking about this in 2009 because it upset me deeply and it still does. I’m a father, I’ve got two kids, when I was seeing little kids with cellphones in their hands, speaking on cellphones. And because I’m not really one to get up on a soapbox, and this was like I couldn’t sleep really, it was really just getting to me. And that’s why I started talking about this, and the science was really clear. The science is clear about the populations that are particularly vulnerable and it’s the elderly, it’s pregnant women and it’s children. And children are obviously, that’s the children are our future and children are particularly vulnerable to these exposures and particularly suffering radiation, this radio frequency, microwave radiation. I mean how many kids and I’m sure your kids don’t do this, I dunno what, maybe they’re a bit older, but how many times have you heard kids sleeping with cellphones under their pillow? 

Going to bed at night with their cellphone? I mean, my God, when you’ve looked at the science, which is really clear, which has been smallered again, which is absolutely disgraceful, then it’s the children are more vulnerable in many ways, suppression of immune system, smaller skulls, thinner skulls and children are not little adults, they’re just not, they don’t have the defenses to deal with this. So yeah, so it’s our duty and I’m glad you asked me this question ’cause it’s perhaps the most important thing and it’s not that mitochondrial health generally is not important, of course, but we’ve all got this duty I think, to do right by our children and doing right by your children is frankly not give them a cellphone as children really. 

And I can’t even give you an age where we can say it’s safe now, okay, you’re good to go. But what I will say, is that it’s the smaller they are the children, the greater the danger. And again, there’s a lot of science behind this dating back over 20 years, which if people want to and Environmental Health Trust have got some great science on their website, ehtrust.org, I think it is. So, yeah, please, please do not give cellphones to your children. And it’s not even just about cellphones, I’ve really heard some horror stories, children getting cancer, children dying, clock radios, electric clock radios that you plug in, the regular clock radios generate massive magnetic fields, electric fans, big electric fields, kids sleeping in fans in hot rooms and stuff like that, just, yeah. So be super careful if it’s not for you, then protect your kids.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, thank you for stating this. Lloyd I wanna make sure everybody knows how to get ahold of your information. This has been so enlightening and so easy, make it so easy to understand, and I know people are ready to go out and get a meter and really get your own protocol and understand it, they have a taste of it now. So how do we find resources from you? How do we get ahold of you?

Lloyd Burrell

So go to electricsense.com, that’s my website, so it’s all one word sense as in common sense, electricsense.com. And it’s very user-friendly, that’s what I’ve tried to do, ’cause it is a fairly complex subject and I’ve tried to make it more friendly and understandable, and I do regular podcasts, got the longest running podcasts on this, I’ve interviewed hundreds of people, I’ve explored every angle, scientists, building biologists, even mediums, people that can see literally what this radiation is doing to people, seeing their bodies. But it’s mainly the science and there’s a newsletter, you can subscribe and it’s free. I mean, go there, get the newsletter and start that bit of learning curve, and just dip into it. That’s what I recommend and start doing stuff and I’m sure there’s one thing you can do, and that’s what I recommend people to do is just think back what I’ve said today, about cellphones, WiFi, and the electricity in the bedroom and just think, well look, what can I do? Where do I start? Baby steps to start doing one thing.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

That’s such sound advice. I mean, with anything, and people are learning a lot of strategies on this summit and they’re learning, oh, what I’m eating probably isn’t good for me and the toxins from my body products. It’s one thing, don’t change everything at once, pick one thing and build the muscle, build the habit. And once you master that, I promise you’ll be looking around for the next thing. You’ll be looking around to do the next thing and enrolling your family into being on board with you. Those meters are really helpful, it’s kind of fun, you all get to-

Lloyd Burrell

It’s kind of fun, exactly what I was gonna say. You might even enjoy it, you know?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah, people go around every room and you’re like, oh my gosh and getting the readings. So let’s go check over here and let’s go check here, what happens if I’m holding this device and measuring at the same time? And what happens when I turn on this light switch? And what happens when I shut it off? And yeah, it’s kind of fun, so yeah. Well, thank you so much, Lloyd. I wanna acknowledge you for your work in the world. Like I said, at the beginning of this, what you do is sometimes not popular, in order to be a leader, you have to be willing to not be liked and you have to be willing to talk about the things that are hard and to talk about the things that people don’t wanna hear. So that is the true definition of leadership is what are what are the prices you’re willing to pay? And clearly you’re willing to pay them because you care so deeply, and because you learned so much from your own experience, you have to share it with the world. So thank you for the work that you do.

Lloyd Burrell

Thank you, very sweet of you to say that. Yeah, thank you. I’m just doing my bit and I think we’re in a world, if everybody will just do their bit, I’m not talking about EMFs, but just do your bit, random acts of kindness to other people, if everybody could just start doing that, then there’d be a ripple effect and wouldn’t the world be a better place?

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Wouldn’t it? Well with that, we’ll both of us make sure and go do our random act of kindness today . And until next time, Lloyd, take good care now. Bye.

Lloyd Burrell

Thank you, Laura.