Shifting Your Energy To Attract Wealth & Abundance​

Andrew DeGregorio

Awesome, thank you, Jason. Appreciate you introducing me like that. Such a beautiful intro here. I love hearing the reflections of just the elegancy of how you word what I do ’cause sometimes I struggle to get that point across.

Jason Prall

Well, it is a little difficult to describe what you do. Like I kind of stumble with it every time because you really can’t put words to how you work. And it has to be experienced, and only when you experience do you get a semblance of really what’s going on. So take me back to the beginning. Well, not the beginning beginning, but you had a pretty big awakening experience and I would love to hear kind of your perspective on who you were before and then kind of who you became after that big experience.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, happy to. Well, like most people, most of my life for about 30 years of my life I was living in a very conditioned reality. Living in these ideas and thoughts and beliefs that I was given of how I should live my life. Pursuing career, pursuing money, pursuing relationship. We have these ideas of eventually having enough money to have a family, to settle down and to live a well-off life or pretty decent life. I came from a middle class family, work hard kind of mentality. You gotta work hard, you gotta have health insurance, you gotta get a job that’s nine to five which it was never nine to five for me, it was always like seven to eight, which I’ve still never experienced a nine to five, it was always much longer, many more hours when I was in the corporate world and just working. And up until when I was about 33, I was in and out of different jobs, in and out of sales. And I was actually doing stand up comedy at the time as well so I was pursuing comedy, something I really loved to do and really enjoyed. And while I was working at this one job, it was in August, 2014. I was in the ocean and I was surfing. I wasn’t like an avid surfer, I was just like just finally starting to ride waves and getting out there, kind of enjoying the San Diego life. And there was these two guys off in the distance, I noticed them they were about to collide. And I could tell that that one of them may hit me. So for some reason I just dove down into the water to avoid getting hit. And then I waited a little while, and then I popped up. I was looking at the beach and one of the guys didn’t have a leash on their surfboard, and the surfboard speared me in the back of my head and it knocked me out. It actually hit me so hard that my brain bounced in my skull and caused me to have three bleeds in my brain, two in the front, one in the back. And I found that out after. 

What happened when I was under the water, something kind of jolted me to and I was able to get back up and lay across my surfboard. And luckily there was a woman off in the distance that actually saw this whole situation happen. And she swam over and I was just kind of muttering trying to get words… I couldn’t even speak, but I was just kind of muttering the word help. I was like, “Help.” Trying to get out… Trying to yell actually. Couldn’t even do it. So she came over, I remember she kind of just was saying something to me. I didn’t really know what she said, and she towed me to shore. And she basically saved my life this amazing woman who I never got a chance to send my gratitude to, which I’m super grateful for ’cause I’m here today with you. Ambulance came, they took me to the hospital and they ran the scan and they did find that I had that traumatic brain injury where I had those three bleeds. So they kept me overnight to make sure I wouldn’t die, make sure I’d make it through the night, which I did. Proof is that I’m here right now with you, hanging out. And after that it was just a lot of suffering started to happen. A lot of just misery started happening for me ’cause after the brain trauma I started developing all sorts of symptoms and issues where for the first five days I had insomnia after I was up for five days straight. I ended up with migraines, personality changes, I ended up with speech problems, and a whole array of post concussion syndrome symptoms. And all the doctors I would speak to, all they would kind of do is just prescribe me medications and I was being prescribed like Xanax and antidepressants for PTSD and all these things that were probably not ideal when my brain was rewiring and healing from this traumatic brain injury. 

So this went on for many, many months. And during that time period, that company I was with, I was working for, they actually fired me. I lost my job when I was on disability. So I already had these doctors that they were doing the best they can, but they weren’t the greatest doctors with the medical insurance I currently had. But then I lost that ’cause I lost my job, and a month later they had to get me a whole new medical. It was like government medical insurance where the doctors unfortunately it’s sad to say this, they were worse than the doctors I had. And it just got progressively worse and worse. So up until that injury, like I said, the life I was living before was pretty much that conditioned life. And after about I would say four months after that injury, I remember I just all of a sudden I had this intuitive feeling inside me, something that I normally wouldn’t get, not something I listened to before this, up until this point. And I just had this feeling that in order to get better I had to begin to know myself. I had to do it myself. I had to learn how to heal myself and to find a way to overcome and heal through this nightmare I was living. I remember I just had this feeling that I had to just sit and I began to sit with myself and getting to know myself. I brought an awareness to my body and to my thoughts. 

And I did this five minutes a day and I started to reflect on my life. I started to see all these like negative thoughts that were inside of me about who I am, how I got here, just about my money, about my relationships, all these things, I started seeing these thoughts on repeat. And I started to reflect on my life before this injury and up until this injury. And I started noticing these things that were on repeat with relationships and money that these experiences were happening over and over again that were just miserable and it was just suffering. Like I’d have the same amount of money in my bank account for like 30 years. How does that make sense? Making the same amount of money, not able to really break through those those ceilings. Relationships that started and ended in exactly the same way with new people, different people like exactly the same way. And I started to reflect for many months and I started to realize that the variable, the thing that was always there was me. That I’m actually the problem. That I’m actually responsible for my reality, I started to realize that I’m in charge of that.

Jason Prall

It’s like all that conditioning that you took on really, that you accepted, that you lived your life with seems to be kind of the thing that’s driving those patterns, right?

Andrew DeGregorio

That’s right, yeah. So when I say I’m the problem that’s what I’m speaking to. Is this idea and belief of the I that I’m calling myself, which is these thoughts and this conditioning that represent who I am at that time.

Jason Prall

Right.

Andrew DeGregorio

Right. Somehow what’s creating my reality. I began to realize as I dove deeper within myself and I started to pursue like healing, pursue personal development and growth that I started realizing that my reality was reflecting my inner world. My energy that I was putting out is what I was getting back. And it was the beliefs behind that energy, it was the intention behind the energy, the conditioning, the stories, all the bullshit that we all have been given. A lot of us have been fed a lot of bullshit.

Jason Prall

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I can reflect on my life and occasionally there’s these things that pop up that I wasn’t aware of before, but I recognize how deep the conditioning is. And it comes from the media, it comes from our parents, it comes from our school, it comes from literally everything around us. And of course, it’s all well meaning. In fact, I don’t recall too many bad teachers. I don’t think my parents were bad parents and yet they were conditioned. And there’s these beliefs that we just inherit without even thinking ’cause we’re so young. We believe our parents and the adults and the society, everything that’s around us. And we believe that things are the way they are and they must be that way. I mean, just to give you an example, work hard and you’ll succeed. And there’s nothing wrong with working hard, but it’s missing a component, which is kind of the alignment and perhaps dedication as opposed to just working hard. ‘Cause we can work hard, really hard and not succeed. So what’s off with that?

Andrew DeGregorio

I love that. I love that share. We can work really hard and not succeed. That’s the life-

Jason Prall

I mean, I’ve done it.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, totally, this is where I was at first for so many years. And getting hit in the head with a surfboard, that near death experience, was just this beautiful catalyst that became one of the best things that ever happened to me. ‘Cause eventually as I started sitting with myself, reflecting, meditating, learning about who I am and understanding all these beliefs, these thoughts, and all these energies that were making up my reality, I began to pursue other ways to find health and find wellbeing. And the side effect was reality started to show up differently for me. It literally began to change before my eyes and I wasn’t trying or working hard on the outside, I was working hard, not even working hard it was more like getting curious of what was happening on the inside. Like all that external focus shifted inward. And eventually I also started to do therapy work. I started to go to EMDR therapy where it’s like bilateral stimulation of left and right hemisphere of the brain, which is kind of the way I describe it. And it desensitizes trauma or energies in the body where we feel triggered or charged around. So by this modality it was really supportive in my healing. And I started to release all these previous stories and energy that was holding me back from experiencing a reality that I wanted to experience. And eventually things started to get a little strange. From my point of view things got a little strange.

Jason Prall

Yeah, so it sounds like before the surfboard accident and the way you lived your life was you were trying to change the external reality through your conditioned, beliefs and responses and you operated that way. And then through these sort of self reflections, and meditations, and really sitting with yourself, you started to recognize that it was the internal that needed to change. It was the energy, it was the way that you were, your beingness. And when you changed that, then the external reality starts to shift.

Andrew DeGregorio

That’s right, exactly. Yeah, well said.

Jason Prall

And that’s backwards. That’s literally backwards to most of our conditioning.

Andrew DeGregorio

It’s very paradoxical. It’s kinda mad in a way. I was thinking that I needed to work hard on the outside of my life, outside of my body, outside of my mind, and focus on everything externally and I was gonna create what I wanted. I was gonna have what I wanted or have a little bit of what I wanted. And like you said it’s just the opposite. We wanna focus inward, begin to shift our inner world to create our outer world. Now there is action that we take on the outside as well. And we can get there, We can talk about that as well, but first we need to kind of know what’s happening on the inside. What is our energy putting out is what we’re getting back. So that was of the biggest realizations I had is like the quality of the energy behind the action. The energy output is what’s generating my reality was such a big realization for me.

Jason Prall

And when you had that realization is that when you kind of started recognizing that’s where the work needed to begin? In other words, fixing this internal state or aligning this internal state, that’s where your focus began, that’s what you focused on.

Andrew DeGregorio

Well, I had proof of it. And once I had realized the proof was the reality was showing up differently, the way I was shifting inside when I noticed my belief systems being were changing, the way I viewed reality, the way I felt my vibration or emotional energy, all this began to shift and new experiences were showing up, new people were showing up, and they were speaking and talking about different things than the normal group of people I would hang out with. Nothing wrong with that group, but the new group, they were matching my energy, matching me where I was going and where I was at. So I started having more and more experiences and experiencing synchronicity started to happen. Which for me, I always share this when I share my stories that I’m from the East Coast, where I’m from Rhode Island and typically my view of Rhode Islanders, this is just my view, the way I see it, is that we’re pretty hardheaded people. East Coasters typically are a little more… We’re not quite ready to believe anything, prove it to us, right? Synchronicities that started happening were so out of this world, crazy. So statistically impossible that I started to realize these coincidences were informing me, were starting to lead me, there were like breadcrumbs from the universe guiding me around to new people, to new experiences, and things that matched my reality, which was just interesting.

Jason Prall

And this is really important because I think that this is always happening. The universe or the external reality is always giving us feedback. But when we’re not aware that it’s our energy, it’s the way we are walking in the world that is essentially guiding the external reality then it just seems like happenstance, the good and the bad. And you’re always kind of looking without this awareness, this internal awareness, you’re always kind of looking of how to duplicate that or replicate this lucky experience, this fortunate thing, or that amazing person that you met. And so I think it’s really important to at least acknowledge what you’re saying because when we start there, even if we don’t know how to shift yet, we can at least start to reframe our awareness and our perspective and recognize that when good things or “bad things” happen, then we can now look and say what happened? What was I doing? who was I being in that moment? Or what was going on there instead of looking at the external reality, that seems to be a good place to start.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Universe is leading us as you’re saying there. It’s like these coincidences are always around, there’s a perfection to it and sometimes we don’t notice it. There is a phenomenon though it’s like as we raise our vibration, as we are unfuse, like we’re confused we’re like fused to ego. And what we are is we unfuse or come undone from ego. And we start to shift our belief system, start to change our reality and raise our vibration. There is a phenomenon that synchronicities do kick up. Like when we’re living in a state of love or a state of joy or a state of gratitude, magic literally can happen where reality starts to lead you in really these flow stated ways and it’s pretty profound. And for me has it happened to me a few times especially when I’m really focused on like this deep loving gratitude for who and what I am for all my parts. And I begin to sustain and stabilize energy of a higher vibration. The synchronicities become very clear and very loud and almost to a point of magic in a way that’s like hard to believe from a scientific mind, if that makes sense.

Jason Prall

Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, I was very scientific in the way I thought about things. And since I walked into this more let’s say spiritual, energetic world, these things that I was reading about in books, these synchronicities and these magical happenings that you’re describing, they started to happen. And I thought this is unbelievable. You can’t explain it because these things come out of nowhere and you would never expect it. Like the weirdest things happening. In fact, I remember since we’re about to talk about money, I remember receiving I won some random contest that I didn’t even enter, but they had my name. And it was like $3,000 that was coming my way. And I thought it was a joke, I didn’t really believe it. And sure enough, I got $3,000. There’s just numerous examples like that where it comes out of the blue. And a lot of times it’s in situations where I feel like I need a little bit more income, where I’m a little bit money hungry. I think there’s some financial strain going on and when I align it literally comes out of nowhere. Like it doesn’t make sense. These are things that I couldn’t have worked hard for. There was nothing I could externally do to make this happen. It was literally an alignment that this stuff comes outta nowhere.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, I love it. I love your story. That’s so cool. Yeah. There’s a lot of details to my story that it’s like I’m kind of giving the condensed version, but I’ve had a lot of experience that you’re describing where money just coming outta nowhere and people showing up to support me in ways that are unbelievable. I actually I did a conversational book where I detailed more of that out. Where if you gonna look me up by my name, Andrew Degregorio you can check it out. If anyone wants to look for that book, there’s a lot of cool stories and details in that. Even writing that book was synchronicity. I didn’t wanna sit down and write a book the traditional way, it’s just not my thing to sit down and do that. And through synchronicity and through like the right happenstance I was led to an agent. He would work with Eckhart Tolle and so many others. And he asked if I wanna write a book and he wanted to do a conversational book with me. And I got a chance to do a conversational book and I detail all this kind of stuff out. And that which is really fun. But I’m giving the condensed version here, ’cause the synchronicities actually end up leading me to that awakening experience that you were speaking of earlier where I kept hearing about this woman I needed to go meet. And I saw this guy, he mentioned this woman after him and I got into a conversation about what’s been happening in my life and he thought I’d benefit from meeting her. And I kind of wrote it off as like, yeah, yeah, I’m good. I don’t need to meet somebody else in this work. Like I’ve been doing a lot of therapy work, a lot of healing work, I’ve been doing all this reading and research and sitting with myself. I was like six months into this thinking I’m like a guru or an expert at the time.

Jason Prall

You got it locked down.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, like I knew something. I had no idea what I was in for and how far I still had to go. It was so interesting. So eventually I kept seeing this guy everywhere and he kept asking me if I went to see this woman. I would hear this woman’s name all over the place, street signs. And like it was crazy how much I kept getting like this signal from the universe to go and meet this woman. And I finally caved in. I was like, okay, I hear you, I gotcha, ’cause I was still kinda resist-

Jason Prall

Yeah, you were a stubborn Rhode Islander.

Andrew DeGregorio

I was still a little stubborn at the time, even with all the magic that’s happening. And still to this day, I still have a pretty good critic and I’m still stubborn at times. So the universe really had to shake me down and eventually I did. I said, yes, and I didn’t know what this woman did. I didn’t know how much she cost. I didn’t know what I was getting into. And I remember I was just sitting outside her house in my car after setting up an appointment with her. And I was just like what the fuck am I doing here? Why am I here? I don’t know what’s about to happen. What if this woman is like $10,000, thousands? I don’t know what I’m getting. What is this? I remember this voice, and just like this feeling of kinda this is crazy. Saw her walking outta her house with somebody else, she had this big smile on her face and she kind of this warm smile. And so I decided to go up and she told me to go inside and sit down. And I did. And I’m trying to figure out what she does. I’m looking around her office. There’s like crystals over there, there’s like Buddhist imagery and like just this very strange but kinda pleasant vibe in the room. And this tiny chair next to me, this bed. There’s a table with like a bed table where it looked like a massage table. And I’m like is this woman a masseuse? Is she like a ? What does she do? I don’t know. She’s got these kid’s chairs, these adult chairs. It was all very confusing. But I’m just really like part of me wants to know ’cause I’m kinda freaked out. Why am I here? And she walks up, she looks at me and she asks me why I came. And I just started to ramble. I spent about five minutes just rambling my entire life to her and everything that’s been happening in the past six or seven months since the accident. And then she takes off her glasses after I ramble, and she just looks at me. 

And she was beautifully listening to me. And she looks at my body, just kind of looks me over, and she goes, “You know we come into this world, and we have these parents or these caregivers. And they do the best they can but they all up. And we have these defensive strategies, these protections that we all have, that when we’re young and our nervous systems can handle experiences of overwhelm, that these protections keep us safe and alive. And there are defensive survival strategies. And I’m kind of looking at her. I’m like, okay, this sounds… I’m thinking in my head this sounds like therapy, this must be a therapist. Like I’m kind of paying attention but not really. Barely focused on her. And still trying to figure out what she does, and in the meantime she continues. She tells me that people are asleep and they’re walking around the world and they think they know what’s going on, but they really have no idea what’s going on. And she gives me “The Matrix” analogy. So it’s like Neo, people are like plugged in and in order to know what’s going on they need to be awakened. They need to unplug to see what’s happening. Truly what “The Matrix” is. So that landed for me. I thought I knew what she was talking about. And then she says I have a defended closed system. Like very disconnected, not open at that time. Again, not really sure what she was talking about. I was just kind of listening, still trying to figure out what she’s doing. And she puts her hands up and she says every once in a while people pop their head up and they see something going on up here and then they fall back down.

Jason Prall

Kind of a glimpse of an awakening experience.

Andrew DeGregorio

That’s what she was describing, and I didn’t know at the time what she was describing. She said it takes work to be up here. And I was like, okay, cool. And still not really sure what she’s talking about. And she asked me, she said, “Do you wanna know what it feels like to be up here?” And so she gave me “The Matrix” analogy. In my head I’m like, yeah, let’s do this Morpheus. I didn’t say that out loud, I was like, “Yes, I would.” And in that moment, Jason, when I said yes to this woman, I immediately started feeling something in my body. I backed away. I was like, “What the is going on here right now?” Like I said yes to this woman, and immediately I start feeling something in my body that I had never felt before. I literally freaked out. And I was like I backed away. I was like, “Are you an angel, are you an alien? What is this?” It was some kind of like voodoo going on. And I could feel like this sensation in my lower part of my body, in the lower stomach and it started to get more and more intense. And I had this inner voice that came from somewhere else outside of my mind, it was just like, “Don’t resist.” And I knew that what we resist, persists from some of the readings I’ve done. If we resist something it creates more of what we don’t want or we get stuck in it. And I had this intuitive feeling to drop into this experience. And so literally dropped my feeling, awareness into this sensation and it was terror. And as soon as I felt the terror it dissolved and this feeling that was in my lower abdomen shot up through the middle of my body and exploded outside through the top of my head. 

And the best way to describe what happened after this, it’s hard to put the words, is that I could feel everywhere and everything, the stars, the clouds, the trees, the birds, the humans, all species, the earth, planets. And I could feel it everywhere and nowhere. And I felt love pour through my body into every cell. It was just this love that was filling me up. And I knew in that moment that we are eternal beings. And I knew that everything matters and nothing matters. And then we just started laughing me and this woman. We literally started laughing for like 15 minutes. And I had this wide eyed look on my face and it was like I was no longer there, but I was fully there. And then after about 15 minutes of laughing, me and this woman we continued our session together. I left her house with my eyes wide open, everything was very vivid, very colorful, and I went home and I sat on my floor with my eyes wide open and a big smile on my face. I sat on my floor for like it felt like 12 hours. And in the background, there was this thing talking to me, trying to tell me where to go, who to be, what to do, what to believe. And all I could do was love it. There was just love for it. And this thing was my personality or my ego. 

And I was no longer fused to my ego. Ego was like fully just aware of it and loving it. And I walked in this state where this ego was fully separate from me for… That’s not even the right terminology, separate, it was just like being held by me, it was a part of my human experience, I just walked in this state for about nine months and magic was everywhere. Remember I talked about synchronicities, they kicked way up. And I was in this high vibe state of nothing but love, interconnected, inner being, just feeling everything and everybody. And I started to experience people very differently. I started to experience energy in people. I could feel what they’re looking for in life, what their needs were, I could see energy. I started experiencing things that my human, the personality side of me, thought I was going crazy where I would see people’s like literally faces would melt in front of me into different faces. It was like what people would describe as a psychedelic trip, and I’ve never did psychedelics at that point, never touched them, and I’m seeing people’s faces melt in front of me, energy all around them, their faces were changing and shifting, I could hear thoughts and I knew how to support people, but it wasn’t me the human side of me, it was like this divine intelligence that was guiding me to offer information to people. And eventually I was being led… And the story, like I said, it was a very long story, but I was being led to teachers and people that could explain what happened to me and to also help me stabilize what happened ’cause life became a little more destabilized at that time. There was like this love everywhere, this intelligence guiding me yet my personality as it started to form back and started coming back, I literally thought I was going crazy.

Jason Prall

Yeah, you have to learn how to hold both. How to sort of be awake with your awareness and your sort of real self, so to speak, along with this personality component, this humanness. And so to work with both is I think definitely a skill that needs to be practiced and you kind of have to figure it out.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah. Lucky I was led to teachers that knew what happened to me. ‘Cause there was like I talked to scientists, I talked to monks, I was looking for people that could support me and help me. And as I said earlier at this time where I lost my job, they put me on disability from the accident, eventually disability ran out, money started to run out. And since we’re talking about money here, I needed to figure out what I was gonna do next. And eventually this intelligence also began to guide me and teach me about what I need to do with money, what to generate and what to create. And how to do that deeply connected to my soul’s purpose while I was doing it through my personality’s preference. Like do I wanna serve my soul mission through being a comedian or do I wanna do it as a coach, a healer? Or do I wanna create a product or do I wanna be a speaker? What do I wanna be? A server somewhere or do I wanna be a teacher? Like what is it that my personality prefers? How does my personality prefer to serve as long as my soul’s mission is coming through?

Jason Prall

So this is a big one I think for many people. They wanna follow their soul’s path. They have a deep calling within them to do X, Y, Z, but yet there’s this belief or a feeling or perhaps they’ve even tried it and they don’t make money, they can’t find success. And so they go do the thing over here that has proven to them that they can make money, that they can find success and yet there’s this unhappiness or this unease that comes with that. And I see that a lot. I’ve experienced that myself. In fact, I walked away from a lot of success from that very thing and kind of followed my soul’s mission and struggled a little bit. And I know that you kind of… It’s funny when you tell the story of meeting this woman, that was sort of my story coming to see you. We didn’t have this sort of big blast off experience, but you’ve cultivated a lot of skill in in guiding others. And again, you mentioned feeling energy, seeing energy, helping people to recognize what’s happening and really holding a space that allows them to expedite their own awakening process as well as healing. And so when I came to you, it was very similar. I was like, “I don’t know why I’m here.” I came in and like, in fact, the first thing you said is, “Oh, you look familiar.” Because you had sort of a soul recognition or a deeper recognition that we knew each other. And so I thought you just saw me on some media or what have you. And so I didn’t realize until later what you really meant. But same thing, I was a little confused, I didn’t know what we were doing, and eventually I realized how much skill you had developed and were allowing me to kind of find my own self in that same way. And we talked about some of this stuff in our sort of therapy or coaching or whatever you wanna call it. And I remember you had a story where you were doing this coaching, this therapy, this energetic guidance, and you weren’t making money yet. And there was some trust that you’d just needed to keep going with it and you will be supported at that. You didn’t know when you were gonna start making money and feeling comfortable with your finances, but you knew that it wasn’t like there was this blind trust, there was a deep feeling of recognition that you will be supported if you just keep doing this and you keep working on your alignment, keep focusing on your own internal energy. So talk to me about that, what that was like for you.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah. So I wanna just throw a disclaimer. Not everybody has to do it the way I did it, ’cause there’s other ways to do this and it’s important to recognize we all come from different backgrounds, we have different opportunities, there’s a lot of variety here. But the thing that I would say is that there’s again, the focus inward within myself, like focusing on my alignment and being of service was very important to me. Money became a side effect of that. So there was a time where I remember I was sitting and I was meditating and I kept feeling like I needed to go follow like this route of kind of what everybody else does in this world of like marketing, social media, like figuring out how to draw in a client base, like the traditional way, which is nothing wrong with that. I felt like I couldn’t. Like there was something inside me that wouldn’t allow me to go the traditional routes to go market or pay money for marketing or do some videos on Facebook or Instagram or these traditional ways. And I was like freaking out. I remember my personality was like, “What are we doing?” Like I’m just kind of sitting for hours meditating. And I’m like, “I need money. How am I gonna eat?”

Jason Prall

It reminds me of “Field of Dreams”. When he gets the message, if you build it they will come so he builds the baseball field in the middle of a corn field. And it’s like, okay, what are we doing here?

Andrew DeGregorio

Totally.And I really literally again, thought I was going crazy. I was like I’m just doing this. I’m sitting on the edge of my bed, watching my beliefs, learning about my money backgrounds, how religion has had an impact on me, how like my money story from my family, all this was part of sitting. There was a lot of things coming up, but we’re talking about money here, and there was a experience where I was learning about my wealth dynamics and like my family dynamics around money and just kind of where that came from. And the more I’d watch these things, the more I began to let go of them, the more I began to shift my beliefs around money. And the more I became more and more connected to my sole purpose and my alignment where I started to learn that I was stabilizing a deeper connection to my inner being so that when I took action, I was taking action not from ego, not from these ideas of I need money, or from survival fears, I was taking action from wholeness. And I would take a lot less action, I would say like 70 to 80% meditation and sitting all the time, and then taking small amounts of action like going places or meeting new people. And incrementally reality started to reflect those actions that I was putting out, that energy I was putting out. New things were coming in. People started coming in and they were suggesting that… I was doing free sessions for a while too, by the way. And I started getting more and more people that’s like, “You need to charge this for your work.” Like I had a teacher come in-

Jason Prall

You had some coaches. Like financial coaches show up that were clients.

Andrew DeGregorio

They were. That was further down the line. Like that happened further at the beginning, like people started coming in, just normal everyday people giving me like these messages, but it was like just kind of like repeated synchronistic messages. It wasn’t like one or two people, it’s like multiple people saying these things. And eventually I began to charge for my work and incrementally more and more people showed up where the clients that showed up were these amazing coaches, healers, I started to attract entrepreneurs. And as time went on, more and more people like suggested continue to raise your prices, do this, do that. However, I still to this day never use traditional ways of creating my business. And I’ve generated a lot of success financially and impact most importantly, being of service and have an impact, that’s my number one value, that’s my priority. And money has been a side effect of that where I barely have a social media presence, I don’t market online. Clients continue to pour in. I love working with people. I love my clients. I love being of service. It brings me joy to be here today to just share whatever I can share in hopes that I get to be of support to somebody to find more and more success and to alleviate suffering in life, that’s my priority, that’s my North Star, what I’m orienting to. But other than that there’s a world that we live in where having money is important. And money can buy a little bit of happiness. I say that in a very loose way, ’cause people think money can’t buy happiness. However, money buys experiences. It keeps us from like if we’re sick, we can have money for good care. We can take care of other people. We can donate. We can support people. So people that like… Kind people, people that are grounded in reality, them having money is a really good thing. And I want people that will do good things with money to have more money. Money is not evil. We have these ideas and these conditioned beliefs around money and these stories around money that are all again bullshit. And they’re limiting us from having the flows of money.

Jason Prall

Well, one of the things I realized was that money is not limited. In other words, it’s not like when I have money somebody else doesn’t have money. It’s like we can actually create wealth because we are creators. This is infinite in the capacity for basically anybody to be wealthy. It’s not a closed system. That’s the way I used to think that there was a guilt factor of me having a lot of money when somebody else doesn’t. And I think, especially in the spiritual world, because there’s so many goodhearted people, and just like yourself who wanna have an impact, who wanna help people. And there’s a disconnect between this desire to help and receiving financial benefit in the process. And so maybe you can tell me, what’s behind that in your own personal experience as well as with some of the people that you’ve worked with and what you’ve recognized and their energetics?

Andrew DeGregorio

You know, first, let me ask you, Jason. Now you said something here. You mentioned the word money. You mentioned the word wealth. To me they’re connected, but they’re different. Money can actually help us create wealth, build wealth. So what what’s money to you? Can you tell me what money is to you? What’s your beliefs around money?

Jason Prall

Yeah, I would say-

Andrew DeGregorio

What is money?

Jason Prall

Yeah, it’s sort of the fiscal aspect. It’s the currency so to speak. Whereas wealth can be defined as anything that we would own that impacts our lifestyle.

Andrew DeGregorio

So how do you think in money? How do you think about money? What’s the language? Do you think in dollars? Do you think in euros? What are you thinking in?

Jason Prall

Yeah, I think in dollars.

Andrew DeGregorio

This is interesting. Most people in America will think in dollars, other countries think in other currencies. Money, there’s all these different definitions, but money is a medium of exchange. It’s used to exchange to buy goods or something like that. It also it’s a store of value. Dollars are a currency, it’s money and it’s supposed to hold value. It’s supposed to be able to be redeemed and used to exchange for goods and services. It’s supposed to maintain its value, but with inflation it really doesn’t. So there’s a lot of things that happen.

Jason Prall

And then of course, we have gold and we have other precious metals. And we have Bitcoin and other things-

Andrew DeGregorio

We can store wealth. So the way I look at it, it’s like when I take action, I put action to be of service. Let’s say I offer a session to somebody, they’re working with me as a client full time, they pay me money. I’ll put my energy is going out to somebody and then they’re giving me an exchange for my energy. And they’re handing me money in the form of numbers or dollars or whatever, online, whatever it is, in a bank account or Venmo or PayPal, whatever. And they’re in dollars. Let’s say someone hands me a hundred dollars or a thousand dollars for what I’m doing. So I have a thousand dollars for something I did. My energy is being stored so money is storing my energy, my life force.

Jason Prall

It’s sort of reflected of it and is stored within it.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, so if we can understand like do we… Most people that I know don’t really think about money in this way. We don’t consider what is money? How much do we pay attention to money? We put energy out, our energy goes out and then it’s stored in something. And then what are you doing with that life force? Now I have a thousand dollars in my life force and I can go buy a car. And then that life force then goes into a car, and that car is another container for my energy, but it depreciates. So now my life force depreciates, I’m losing that energy. So I’m not really building wealth by buying a car. I could take that thousand dollars and put it into bank account. And if I don’t really understand money or some fundamentals or practical aspects of money, the dollar is actually a leaky bucket. It actually leaks value because of inflation, there’s many other reasons. But we don’t need to get into all like the-

Jason Prall

Monetary policy.

Andrew DeGregorio

All that. But just understanding if I hold my money in a bank account, if I hold that thousand dollars in a bank account, in a year from now that thousand dollars might be worth half or worth a quarter of what it’s worth. I don’t know the exact numbers. So that is a leaky bucket so then I’m losing value there. So how do I wanna build wealth? I wanna use that thousand dollars to buy things that hold value, that could store value or grow. So if we gonna understand like I’m just kind of painting a picture here of like something I didn’t understand many years about money is that money can be used to build wealth or have experiences, yet it takes life force to generate money. And I could generate money by front loading my life force into a product, into a course, into a teaching, and sell it where I’m no longer having to continue to put my output in my life force. Or I can show up daily every day like I was taught many years ago working nine to five or seven to seven, giving my life force away, which is not a bad thing. But for me it wasn’t for me, but giving my life force away to earn a small amount of money and continue to struggle. And when I learned to shift my belief systems, and I learned to shift my internal reality and see that we have the ability and the power within us to create what we wanna create, and generate what we wan generate, and anybody can do that by the way, then we can live a very different life by understanding what’s happening in us. 

What is our beliefs around money? Do we understand money? What is money? And your question here was going back to you asked me about before I was living more like as a broke healer. And I had to really understand that me having money was being of service ’cause I could take better care of myself, I could support people in a better way. And by learning how to shift these beliefs, eventually I started opening up the floodgate where people started giving me more and more money. And I started to bring more and more value into the world. And then the really important thing that I had to understand back then was that I had to be clear on what it is I wanted, how did I wanna serve? Did I wanna be of service where I was a broke healer, where I was struggling, where I was like just barely getting by? Or did I wanna shape my life where I could work two and a half days a week, loving what I do, and then the rest of the time continue to be creative with other projects, take care of my health, spend time with my family, what is it that I wanted to create? And if we can get clear on what we wanna create and understand our beliefs and understand what money is, we can then create a reality of what we want. And there’s no limitations of that.

Jason Prall

Yeah, and one of the things too that I know about you is that one of your main focuses, perhaps your North Star is focusing on your own wellbeing so that you can support, so that you can show up, so that you can have an impact in the world. And part of that is taking the time and the energy to actually do the work that is needed to continue that deepening of your awakening and your own wellbeing. So that you can show up again, more impactful for more people. So in order to do that, it’s very difficult when you’re working seven to seven, five or six days a week. You just don’t have enough time to really cultivate the practices and that awakening process. And so again, working that two to three days a week allows you a lot of that time and energy to focus on yourself. Again to invest in others. And so I wanna get really practical here because there’s one thing I noticed about finances. We’d actually talked about this. When I focus there’s been times where I kind of forget to pay attention to all the little financial things that I’m doing, or perhaps that are on autopilot in my business, in my own sort of personal finances. And I’m generally pretty aware of things, but there’s been times where I will go in and I will find all the little tiny things, whether it’s $2 here that’s deducted every week or $30 a month on this one thing, perhaps it’s a Netflix subscription, all these little things that are kind of automatically being deducted or perhaps flying under the radar where I start cleaning them up. And I start canceling this and I save $3 there and $14 there. And I cancel that $30 thing. And I reduce my $68 payment to 48 or I find a new whatever, and I’m sort of saving like kind of nickel-and-diming my bank account, both business and personal. And there’s something magical that happens when I do that. It’s like I’m telling the universe, okay, I’m paying attention. And this is important to me. And so I kind of plug some holes in the leaky bucket. And all of a sudden financial magic starts to happen. Things come outta nowhere and I start making more money. Or again, these things like $3,000 coming my way. There’s one time, $18,000 dollars came my way out of nowhere. These things start to happen. So talk to me about what you think is going on, why does something like that work where I’m saving $4 and $8 and $2, all of a sudden that just turns into a financial windfall.

Andrew DeGregorio

Have you heard what we focus on grows. Where our attention goes, energy goes, you’ve heard that before.

Jason Prall

Of course.

Andrew DeGregorio

And something that like what I’m hearing in your sharing is like you’re becoming intimate with your money, which a lot of us won’t do that because we want to avoid it. There’s painful feelings of viewing our bank accounts or viewing money. And we stay away from it, we disassociate from money or avoid money due to our traumas or these different experiences. So what I’m hearing you do is you’re becoming intimate with money, and that’s the way you do it by kind of plugging holes and looking through it. I do it a little bit different. I started to many years ago become intimate with money by viewing my accounts every month, seeing my wealth, understanding my net worth, understanding where my money’s going, where it’s coming. And the practice here becoming intimate with money with an openhearted awareness, and just having that awareness on it, it starts to grow our wealth. It starts to have a tendency to bring more money in. So there’s different facets of this when it comes to generating money and the energetics of money where we have savings is one aspect. How good of a saver are we? Spending money, like sending money out. How much gratitude and excitement do we have with spending money?

Jason Prall

This is one thing that I took from you that you kind of showed me because it never crossed my mind. It was when I’m at the grocery store and I’m swiping my card feeling how grateful I am to be able to buy food. Because there are people that can’t afford the things that I buy. There are people that can’t really afford a lot of food, that struggle with food. And so for those of us who are fortunate enough to be able to buy the food that we want without thinking too much about it. I think most people, okay, they look at prices and they there’s a little objective there. But for the most part, we buy what we can afford and we don’t think anything of it. And so that’s just a good example of I started doing that, where I just started being super grateful that I can swipe my card, I can buy the organic food that I want, and I can nourish myself. So this was a simple practice that basically was mindless that I started to turn into mindfulness. And I wouldn’t say I’m perfect, I don’t do this all the time but it’s become more of a regular thing that I have awareness around whatever I’m buying. Whether it’s gifts at Christmas or a gift for myself, some clothes, whatever the case is, whenever I’m swiping my card or handing somebody cash, buying a plane ticket. I just won a trip to South Africa to see my wife’s family. To be able to do that, there’s just connecting to the gratitude of that, that’s super powerful.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yes, it is. A hundred percent. So like if you wanna start having money, people that are listening to this, and if you wanna start to start somewhere and start to generate money, gratitude for money, spending money, this is where for me I would I would go pay for something or sign a receipt, I would feel contraction in my body. So what I wanna do is investigate that, get curious about that, understand what’s happening so I could begin to honor my experience, love the parts of myself, and get down to the belief systems and work with that.

Jason Prall

And when you say contraction, you mean it was kind of a fear signal. There was something that just was a little uncomfortable about spending money. 

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, it was like I felt scared. It was like I’m losing money or I’m spending too much or whatever it is. There was like this restriction around money, which I was kinking off the flows of money by doing that. So I started paying attention to when I spend money. And I also investigated. That’s a little bit longer process, but we wanna learn what’s happening so we can honor it and let those belief systems go and begin to shift into the reality and the belief systems that we want to believe.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I wanna press you there because I think that is important. Did you kind of go in there and feel what was going on and get curious about what that feeling was and start to get a little bit of awareness around what was happening in that moment?

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, so when I would spend money I noticed there was belief systems around money being limited, belief systems that I was gonna run out, or I wasn’t gonna have enough. There was all these like feelings and sensations and beliefs that would come up when I would swipe my card or make an investment or spend money every time.

Jason Prall

And this is interesting. ‘Cause what you’re saying is that it wasn’t just a thought, it wasn’t just an emotion, this was an embodied somatic experience, which means this stuff lives in the tissues.

Andrew DeGregorio

That’s the energy in the body creating the reality. So what I was telling money is that I don’t trust money, that money is not overflowing to me when I spend money, I’m gonna lose money, money is limited, I had all these-

Jason Prall

Scarce.

Andrew DeGregorio

Beliefs to get this right. And so guess what, reality was showing up in that very way. Scarce, limited, not enough, same amount every month or less than I needed. So eventually I started to create this new way of being around money where I spend money, where I signed a receipt, I write the word love to remind me to be in gratitude and love with what I’m spending. I literally feel love shining from my heart to the people that are involved, whatever I’m buying, whatever I’m investing in, whoever created the product, whoever was involved. I feel deep gratitude for the transaction, my ability to spend money, the flows of money going out open up, and I do this every day now. Before I would be more intermittent, but I really took the time to solidify this feeling of gratitude and love that I was signaling to the universe that I love spending money. I love to have money, that I love to have money that I could spend money, and eventually more and more money came in because of this. So just writing the word love on receipts with like a little smiley face, feeling that gratitude, having gratitude for spending money, having gratitude also for saving money, having gratitude for receiving money, feeling it through my body, through my heart, began to shift the flows and vibration around money where I started opening up more and more opportunities and more and more money came in. Stabilizing a reality and a belief of understanding that when I spend money, more money comes in, that’s my belief. I have a belief now that when I spend money more comes in. And guess what, I have overflow of money these days because I created that reality. 

And going back to your point about when I would spend money I would feel restriction or contraction, that was the somatic signaling or experience of my body showing me my beliefs that were out of alignment with the reality I wanted to create. ‘Cause the reality I wanted to create was I’m in abundance, money overflows to me, when I spend money more money comes in. That’s the reality I wanted to live in. So I had to learn to be with the old experiences, honor them, love them, work through them, heal some trauma by working with other people, by getting close with myself, getting curious with myself, and then understanding with clarity, like I said earlier, we need to be clear on what is the reality that we wanna create. For me I wanna create a reality of abundance, overflow of money, that I save money, I spend money and receive money and more money comes in. That’s the reality I wanna live in where I get to be of service, have an impact on the planet living in gratitude and love as best as I can. And that’s the reality I had to learn to shift into in my vibration. And I had to get there before it actually happened. I was doing all this before the money showed up. And the more I did it, the more clients showed up, again without marketing, without social media, the universe began to hand me more and more people, and I get to be of support. They’ve supported me, I’ve supported them, I’ve learned so much from them and just as much as they learned from me all by shifting this vibration. And it took these little practices like loving those aspects of money, receiving, saving, spending, donating.

Jason Prall

That an interesting one. This was back before I was really into the energetics of things, but there was an intuitive feeling that when I donate money… When I was living in Seattle, there was all these people standing outside some of the grocery stores, either selling a little newspaper just for donations, what have you, or just asking for money. And I began this experiment of giving… And I didn’t have a lot of money. In fact, I was remodeling my house, I was hoping to sell it, but I was kind of going into debt in order to do so. I had a belief that it would work, but I wasn’t in a great financial position. And yet I thought you know what? Even though I don’t feel like I’m in a good position, I had a job that was bringing in money, and I was of course investing in my house, but I had this feeling that I could afford what to give away $5 this time, I could afford to give away $10 next time, I could afford to give away $20. In fact, I did this one experiment where I called Cafe Gratitude in LA, ’cause I’d been there, my friends lived there, and I called in and I said, “Buy some couple, I wanna buy their lunch.” Here’s my card. And like get there, here’s a 15% tip just pick a couple. And there was these cool experiences of doing that. And to be honest, I’ve never been a big donator so it’s not like I’m super charitable. And so this was literally an experiment. And through that process, I realized I can afford to give away a little bit of money here and there. It wasn’t gonna break me, even though I was in a financially sketchy kind of spot. And sure enough, I ended up making a lot of money on selling my house and it all worked out. And what was interesting was that I could afford it, even though I felt like I couldn’t, I could still give away five, 10, $20 multiple times. And I also knew that that money meant more to them than it did to me. And there was something that shifted in me when I gave away that money.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, that’s an amazing point, amazing point. Absolutely. When we give authentically from our hearts, when you authentically give out of care and knowing that others really can use that, there’s something energetically powerful in that where you receive more back. ‘Cause you’re also opening up the flows of giving and receiving.

Jason Prall

That was it. And it really did feel like I was going to get it back somehow. And it wasn’t doing it from that energy, but it was just a trust that it would come back around. I wanna share another story that was a little bit not so fortunate for me. But I had kind of a friend of a friend that had an investment type of scenario and he wanted me to invest. And I invested a little bit of money basically out of support for him. And it seemed to be going really well so I invested more. And it wasn’t mind blowing amount of money, but it was a couple thousand dollars, and it grew to what ended up being kind of $25,000, something like that. And what ended up happening was I’ll save the story, but I lost it all. And going through some of these things and understanding there’s an energetics to all this, what I reflected on was it wasn’t a bad investment per se, it was my energy going in. I wasn’t investing cause I thought it was a good investment, I was investing to support somebody else. So I was doing it kind of in a roundabout way. It wasn’t a donation, it was kind of this weird support. And then when I thought it was working, there was a greed energy that started to enter the process because it looked like it was working. And I thought, okay, let’s make a lot of money here. And when I lost it all, of course it hurt, but I also recognized, wow, my energy was so off with what I was doing with this money. It wasn’t coming from an aligned place. And so maybe you can kind of share with me your thoughts on that kind of thing.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, there’s a lot to unpack there actually. We all have upper limits with money, there’s a place where we might get to a certain amount of money where it becomes too much for us to stabilize and hold and we’ll sabotage and we’ll lose that money. Or a bill will show up that will take that money from us. We have energetic minimums and limits and ceilings in our systems.

Jason Prall

I’m thinking of Lotto winners and how there’s for them to just kind of lose it all.

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, good example. And I see it all the time it’s like once you get to a place like my limit for a while was like what was I making back in one of my companies? It was like $3,000 a month was the most I ever made. And I was stuck at that for so long. And then eventually, it might be a range three to four or something like that, it’s like a eventually as I started this work, I started to generate more and more money where I started to hit my… Even when I was doing being an entrepreneur, just being of service I was making three to $4,000 a month, this is strange. And I started realizing there’s upper limits. And there’s these ranges that we live in. And the more I unpacked my money beliefs, the more I unpacked my energetic ranges of money, the more I let those go and it started to grow. And then it hit new limits where I started eventually getting to 8,000 a month, 7,000 a month right on there. And then it grew and grew and grew. And now I’m multiple six figures a month, two and a half days a week, loving what I do, having significant impact. And I know when I share this sometimes it triggers people, sometimes people get excited, but I’m hoping that people can understand from what I’m sharing is that there’s possibility to create the reality you want making what you want. And you gotta know your upper limits and know that we have a tendency to sabotage a certain amount. And if we do constrict and get greedy and like in your story around money, we restrict or constrict, we can lose the flows of it ’cause money is a flow as well as there’s a flow to money. And we wanna be open to our flows of money. And the more I open, the more my limits, my upper limits have grown, and the more I get to teach others how to do that. And the more I grew my savings beyond what it’s ever been, the better I have felt, the better I could take care of myself. Again, the more I could do and have a greater impact. 

So learning about money, growing my own money is also another way to be of service ’cause I love to offer this to other people. Teach others and support others on the energetics of money ’cause lot of it is energetics and then there is action to be taken ’cause some people think you just sit around and money shows up. That happens once in a while, by the way, It’s not that it doesn’t happen, these things occur. Again, I’ve had stories where people have showed up in my life and one teacher was just handing me money nonstop. And I thought I was joining a cult ’cause she was helping me in so many ways, supporting me with the psychic experiences, supporting me with learning to connect with my gifts in deeper ways to support others in sessions and energetic work. Like she was crazy and amazing. And I talk about her in my book. There’s like a whole story about her. She showed up outta nowhere and for like a year straight supported me financially with nothing in return. And I was always kind of like my Rhode Islander side was like this lady’s either trying to get me to join some cult or she’s like into me or something. Never asked for anything in return. And then after a year working this lady who channeled this guru, this being, his name is Mahavatar Babaji Maharaj. And he’s this like realized being and enlightened being that this woman would channel, who I again thought she was crazy ’cause every time she spoke she would say, “Mahavatar Babaji Maharaj wanted me to give you this or wanted me to support you with this.” And just to kind of bring it into like what actually happened here was I was out of money and in my calendar I wrote rent due. 

And I literally needed a certain amount of money, and nobody knew, I didn’t tell anybody. And I was in that meditation state, back when I was meditating, and I was like, okay, I need money. Like I’m being guided to sit and where’s the money coming? And then this lady shows up in my life through synchronicity. This guy introduced me to her and I go to a cafe with her. And after meeting her once before, I ended up at a cafe with her ’cause she’s gonna teach me some stuff that she’s supposed to teach me. I’m like all right, this lady’s nuts, but let’s do this, let’s see where this goes. First thing she does is she slides a check over to me. It was folded and I was like, “What is going on?” And I opened the check and I’m looking at this check and I’m looking at her and I just start crying. And I have a breakdown in that moment ’cause the check is for the exact amount that I needed to put in my bank account to pay for what I needed to pay for rent and everything else I needed. Like exactly. My heart sunk, my body opened, my heart opened, tears were welling up. She just, “Mahavatar Babaji Maharaj wants me to give you this.” And I was like how did this lady know this exact amount? That’s impossible, there’s no way. So I didn’t tell anybody, again, this is impossible, but it’s possible ’cause it happened.

Jason Prall

Yeah. Well, and as we close I wanna stress something here that that’s coming up, which is that we can’t fake it. We can’t just change our mind and say, “Okay, I believe, I trust money’s coming.” We can’t do that from our ego mind. So just kind of recap again, what are the important aspects energetically and perhaps even practically, because there are real human embodied practices that we can do. Like I mentioned, just focusing on my own finances and cleaning those up and getting super focused. And I know you recently are continuing your deepening of your understanding of deep finances, of how others who are wealthy how did they build wealth? How did they can continue to grow their wealth? And what are the things that we can actually do? Which is where most people focus. They focus on what to do, but once you have the energetics and you also figure out what to do, there’s something really powerful. So again, just remind us what’s the important aspect here that you want people to really take home?

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, and I love our talk so far. It’s been kind of just flowing back and forth here, and it’s an hour, we have an hour talk or so. So there’s a lot to fill in here and there are practical things and more grounded ways of understanding this. And I mentioned a few of them here and I love that you’re asking to reflect those. First what I have learned is being clear with what I want. Like I wanted a certain amount per month, working a certain amount of hours a week, and I had to get clear on what it is I want. So getting clear on what we want is really important. And when I got clear on what I wanted, it helped me to find all the places in me that didn’t believe that it was possible or the trauma that was there that might be blocking that. Or the resistance in my systems. Resistances in my system that were blocking me from that reality. And eventually as I stayed the course having clarity, I did generate and create that reality. Every time I have clarity I get there. And part of that is doing the inner work by turning inward. The second part of this, the other practical thing is understanding what needs to be honored, what needs to be loved inside of us so we can integrate and release what needs to be released so we can shift our energy into the reality we wanna create and into the belief systems of what we want to create. And there’s different ways of doing that. So we have clarity of vision, we have understanding beliefs and energies that are happening inside of us, we can love them and honor them and do the proper inner work to release them so we can insert the new programming and new belief systems. So we vibrate the new energy of what we wanna create. And then other things like getting intimate with money, like you mentioned earlier, is really important. 

Checking your beliefs and energy around savings, receiving, spending, donating, and investing, checking how that feels. if you avoid intimacy with money, paying attention to how much you’re spending, all these kind of things just paying attention to that is also really important. What we can do right away, though, if there’s some something you can get out of this that’s very simple and straightforward, have gratitude for what you have is one of the most powerful things. One of the most powerful things I’ve ever used was having gratitude for what little I had at a time where I had nothing, with spending whatever amount that I spent. Feeling gratitude for anything you have in your house, your home, wherever you are, whoever’s in your life, things like that are very powerful. And then if you make money, a really important thing from the book…. I never read this book, but people tell me it’s from this book, “The Richest Man in Babylon”, but it’s like one of these golden rules of money, pay yourself first. Pay yourself first, no matter what figure out how to do that. Understand what that means ’cause it’s one of the more important things I ever learned to do. ‘Cause some people will pay debt collectors first, other people first, and a lot of people say, “I don’t have enough money to pay myself.” Pay yourself a certain amount of money so you teach yourself that… Well, you’re teaching money, I should say that you honor money. That you are important, that you deserve to receive money. 

And what I mean by pay yourself first, take a small amount of money and put it in a bank account that you do not touch, and let that build and grow whether it’s a dollar, $10, whatever amount, it’s an energetic imprint that is really powerful. It’s a really important practical thing, gratitude and paying myself first are some of the most important things that help me lead into this reality that I’m currently living right now where money is continually growing. And we can go deeper into this. I’ve been feeling lately that I wanna put an energetics and money course out or teaching out. I’m really contemplating that, putting a more grounded, more practical step-by-step way of getting into the energetics and the action to take to really generate that. So I’ve been really considering that lately and I feel excited about that. I really think solving money in our lives frees up our creativity, frees up our ability to have greater impact. I mean, you don’t need to have money to have greater impact, but it can be of service. And I really wanna offer that. I really wanna do the better that I can to support people ’cause it’s one of the biggest questions I get all the time is how do you create a reality of abundance so you can live the life you wanna live and have impact?

Jason Prall

Yeah, totally. I mean, I have dreams of having enough wealth to be able to give serious donations away. That would be so awesome to be able to do. To be able to satisfy all my needs and support the people in my life and also to carry forth the ideas that I have. Whether it’s a business idea to create something. I mean, that’s exciting. I can imagine Elon Musk is just so excited to be able to invest billions of dollars into something and create his dreams through Tesla and other things. That’s really admirable. And then to be able to donate. So yeah, I agree. I think my beliefs around money have shifted dramatically. I grew up in lower middle income family and we didn’t have a ton of money and there were things that were limited and so I wasn’t around the kind of wealth mindset that I think I’m surrounding myself with now. I mean, there’s plenty of really wealthy people in our area here in San Diego, and it’s amazing to be around these really wealthy people and to, to feel their energy around money and how it works. My perspective has shifted so drastically. When I was younger, there was kind of a distaste for those who had money. And that was a conditioning that I picked up that there was something wrong with that, that it wasn’t okay. And so it’s just shifted dramatically. And I think being around that, I’m starting to essentially through osmosis, pick up this energy and to kind of feel what it’s like to kind of live from that place.

Andrew DeGregorio

I love that. And then one of the main things I’m hearing and what you’re sharing is like surrounding yourself around energy of people or the vibration of people that have money or understand money. It’s like some people, yeah, money’s just easy. It just is. That wasn’t the case for me when I was growing up, I didn’t know that. Today I turned on the faucet and water came out so I could brush my teeth, I was brushing my teeth and I had this feeling of when I turn the faucet, I know the flow is gonna be there, Water’s gonna be there, it just is. There’s actually an energy, and I felt it in my body. There’s just like a feeling of knowing that it’s there. And that’s the feeling that if you can… Most people can relate to that, most people turn a faucet on and there’s water flowing. Most people listening to this will be able to relate to that and I understand maybe not everybody, but yes, this is something that we can relate to. So feel what it feels like to turn the faucet on and notice there’s no contraction or restriction in your body, it just flows. Start to imprint that feeling around money in your body. Just take that experience about the flow and the ease that water’s gonna be there and it’s abundant. And it just flows when I turn it on and feel the feeling in your body that there’s no contraction or restriction, it’s just a knowing that it’s there. And when you get there with money like that, I guarantee money will flow.

Jason Prall

I love that. That’s such a good practice. I’m actually gonna take that and run with it because yeah, it’s like not only is it gonna show up, but there’s a trust that it’s never not gonna show up. Like there’s something about this thing that we’ve been conditioned is that water will always be available. And that’s an amazing feeling to be able to have that, even if it’s not perhaps true, like there’s of course a possibility that water won’t be there, but there’s such a belief, there’s such a trust that it’s gonna be there. And it’s gonna be clean and it’s gonna be available. And yeah, that’s amazing. I love that part.

Andrew DeGregorio

Kinda interesting, it’s an interesting feeling. It came in it’s like it’s just is. Money just is. When you believe money just is, and you trust money, money will trust you and will flow to you. Love any part of you that doesn’t believe that. Love and work with anything that’s in the way there, and you’ll get there I guarantee it ’cause I never believed before my accident, before this experience I had, that I’d be where I currently am doing what I’m doing. Most people laughed at me when I told them I wanted to work two and a half days a week doing what… I don’t even work it feels like play, I enjoy it so much. Doing what I’m doing, making what I’m making, most people thought I was crazy.

Jason Prall

Yeah.

Andrew DeGregorio

Now they wanna work with me.

Jason Prall

Yeah, no, I understand. And you’ve been a shiny example for me in that way. I think what’s interesting is that for me I had to get rid of the conventional ideas. Again, conditioned but there was this conventional line of thought that if I do X, Y, Z, then money comes or what have you. Or I have to earn it. And I think that was one thing too for me is like I don’t have to “earn it” like I thought with my work. If I work this much, then I earn the money, and I’m deserving of the money. And so that had to shift for me, but it’s just it’s wild to believe something totally different, to have a totally different belief. So Andrew Degregorio, thank you so much for all your wisdom and sharing this. And I think this is a very important lesson for so many of us to change our energy with money. And again, it’s a process. That’s an important thing too is that perhaps it doesn’t have to be, perhaps it can be an immediate shift, I don’t wanna discount that as well. But for most of us, there’s gonna be a process here and to work with these things and shift things over time and watch them shift. But again, having that belief and I think because you’re such a good example of this, I think we can trust in that things will shift if we focus on the important things. So thank you so much for showing up today. I really appreciate it. And where can people find more of your work?

Andrew DeGregorio

Yeah, I just wanna just say I’m so grateful that I get to be here as well and support and offer whatever I get to offer. Whoever’s listening, I know you got this, money’s flowing to you. Whatever the situation, whatever the experience, you’re supported and loved. Yeah. I’m really, really super grateful to be here. And you can find me on my website, andrewdegregorio.com, kinda long. You can also find my book, “The knock: An Unexpected Wake Up Call” on Amazon. Just Google me, look me up, you’ll find me. And eventually I’ll put something out like a course on this. I think like a lot of people have been asking for something like this, and I’m really, really passionate and excited about supporting people with this. So yeah, I’ll probably just join my mailing list and I’ll get that info out when that comes out.

Jason Prall

That’s beautiful. And then I will second the recommendation of your book. It’s a fun read, there’s a lot of cool stories and there’s a lot of magic that happens. And for me, it kinda wakes up the magic of life, that it kind of reinforces these possibilities. And the other aspect to all the work that you put out that I know personally is that you actually focus on your own energetics as you do it. You come from that place of alignment when you do these things, and that changes the result of what’s put out. So I know that that when you put that course together, there’s gonna be a lot of good energy that goes into that that essentially will impact the way it’s received and the way it’s delivered for people. So I’m excited for that. I’m gonna actually push you and help you get that out. I think it is important. In fact, I would love to go through it as well. So, Andrew, again, thanks so much for doing this and we’ll see everybody later.

Andrew DeGregorio

Thank you.