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  • Dr. Gerber’s personal experience with Lyme disease.
  • Toxic emotions & stress and their effects on the heart, lowering your toxic burden & how to do that.
  • The benefits of ocean water, phosphatidylcholine, and restoring your cell membranes
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Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey, everybody. It’s Robby Besner, co-founder and device developer for Therasage, and we’re back with another episode, part of our amazing Lyme series. And today, I have a super special guest and a dear friend that’s gonna talk to us about things that people don’t really know about Lyme disease. His name is Dr. Lowell Gerber, and he’s a practitioner, an MD, a cardiologist. He looks at the world through a different headset. You can reach him a couple of ways, actually. He’s got a cool website that’s called fixingmytoxicheart.com all spelled out, or you can email him at LGerber, G-E-R-B-E-R @bihmd.com. So it’s pretty easy to find him, and he’s approachable. And so let’s welcome Dr. Lowell Gerber to the Healthy Hotline. How are you today, Lowell?


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

I’m doing great. And thank you, Robby, so much. It’s a privilege to be here with you.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, you know what? You have got such a great story. Why don’t we just back up a little bit? Give us a little bit of history. Like not so much on your journey. We’ll sort of get into that, but a little bit of your background as a physician. You’ve got credentials that go off the page. There’s so many letters. I think that you’ve covered every letter of the alphabet, frankly, in your credentials. It’s really nice to see and hear from someone at ground zero to tell us, so give us a feel for, you know, where you’ve been a little bit and your background, and then, what you’re focusing on these days.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

Okay, well, as we said, chatting before we started about how I can relate to the people out there viewing this, and that is I suffered from neurological Lyme disease myself, and I got to the point when I got desperate, I’d been on antibiotics for a couple of years and I’ve got, I mean, really, I can’t say enough for the Lyme doctors that helped me. They were superb, but the fact is when you’ve had chronic Lyme disease, when you’ve had it for a long time, taking courses of antibiotics over a couple of years, you get a little better, but I had been doing intensive cardiology, and you have to have all your faculties together. And I could just never, what I call, I could never get across the finish line. 

And I was just fortunate that, I don’t know if it’s fortunate or not, but one day I couldn’t get up. I was doing an Epsom salt bath and I couldn’t get out of it, couldn’t get out of the tub, and I then decided that either I was gonna do something to get better, or I was gonna just quit it all. And I was lucky. I found some people who led me in the right direction, and I wound up in a clinic in Mexico, which is off the charts is what we do in the United States. And people hear about different clinics in Mexico, and they’re not all the same. And I just lucked out and went to a clinic that focused on getting back to the roots of disease. 

The focus is comprehensive detoxification, and that’s what did the trick for me. And I learned so much from my visit there. In a number of weeks, I was doing much better than I’d done in a long time. 

So consequent to that, when I, as a cardiologist, I’d been sick, and I got back, I started seeing patients again, and the word got out that there was a cardiologist who had recovered from Lyme disease, and people expected me to know about Lyme carditis because I was a cardiologist and had Lyme disease. It didn’t matter that I had neurologic Lyme disease, and I actually learned quite a bit about neurologic Lyme disease, but I had to actually study and learn and look at the literature about Lyme and the heart. And then, eventually, I had an episode involving my heart and it made me look more deeper into the effect of pathogens that create biofilms on coronary arteries. 

And I started to evolve my own theory of what causes heart disease. And that’s kind of where we’re getting to today in My Toxic Heart because it seems to me that the pathogenesis of coronary heart disease in many cases is related to either toxins, and toxins are byproducts of organisms, or toxicants. Toxicants are heavy metals, pesticides, herbicides, things that come out of the air and get into our bodies and poison us. And then, there are a few other toxins that we don’t talk about so much as cardiologists, and those are emotions. And certainly, toxic emotions affect the heart. 

In fact, there’s actually a category of diseases under the heading of Takotsubo cardiomyopathy, or stress-induced cardiomyopathy. And I think it’s recognized now that stress is an important factor, not just in our whole being, our whole health, but in the heart in itself. And then, to take emotions to one level higher, we hear from patients who’ve had heart transplants that they’ve changed their lifestyle. They’ve changed their memories. They’ve changed their behaviors. And sometimes these new memories, lifestyles, and behaviors are very similar to, if not identical to, the donor whose heart they are wearing right now. And so it seems that there’s another role of the heart as a cognitive functioning organ that we don’t think much of. 

So unless you’re a heart transplant patient or a heart transplant family member, this is probably just kind of interesting, but it becomes more than that if you’re a relative or a loved one of a heart transplant patient who’s got new memories and terrifying behaviors. So the whole gamut of heart disease, in my view, has changed dramatically over the past couple of years, and I think we need to recognize this as patients and as partners of patients in how we deal with not only their physical illness, but their mental, emotional, and spiritual illness. That’s why I’ve come to call myself a holistic cardiologist.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

I’ve read a lot of research recently on the heart-brain connection. So like a year or two ago, or maybe back a little more, there was this whole rage about the brain-gut connection, but there’s been a group out there called HeartMath, and I know that you’re a fan of their work, their body of work, and there’s lots of new studies that are coming out that are suggesting that the impulses and electrical frequencies that come from the heart actually respond or are responding faster than the brain frequencies in a certain stress relationship. 

And so it’s kind of cool how you backed into that whole experience yourself, and that people out there can relate to it because everybody’s got an emotional response. If you’re out there and you have Lyme disease, it’s either you and/or your family members. People are stressed out. Now we’ve got COVID going on. And like you talk about the toxicants, toxins and toxicants, it’s really interesting to me that in all of your own studies and your skillsets that you focus for yourself. When you go, when it hit, you know, ground zero for you, that the first place you went to or found yourself in that you got the most result was by lowering your toxic burden on your body. And many of the Lymies out there, you know, they experience body pain and they know that Lyme kind if is moving around, but no one really talks about it kind of settling back and hitting your heart. 

And it’s obviously right there in the system, so you’re not bulletproof from any of these things. And it’s so great to have you here today to talk about this stuff. So, were there any special kinds of methods of chelating or detoxing that, you know, give us a little bit of sort of a rundown on that that from the ones that are a little more aggressive, ’cause we’ve got patients out there that have been chronic for a while and are fragile, then we’ve got weekend warriors that really wanna go for that optimal, you know, experience or dial it up as much as they can. So can you spend a couple of minutes with us and just talk about what kind of detox methods you’ve either used and found success with, or that you use in your practice and so forth that you would recommend?


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

I’d love to do that. And if people are viewing this and have access to a computer, they can go to my website and fixingmytoxicheart.com. And there’s a page in there. It’s called membrane medicine. And if you go to that page, you’ll see an outline of how my philosophy has evolved and how I take care of it. What do I do? Exactly what I do. And I would encourage people to keep in mind that when we’re trying to treat what we call quote, Lyme disease, unquote, that has changed over the years. 

So now we know that if somebody has Borrelia, they’re more than likely to have one or more organisms, and the one or more organisms may require, or may respond, I shouldn’t say require, but may respond different to antibiotics and/or combinations. So for myself, I had Borrelia burgdorferi, Borrelia hermsii. I had Babesia, Bartonella, ehrlichiosis. Mycotoxin, heavy metals, mycoplasma, and Epstein-Barr. So if you wanna try and kill all those bugs and remove all those toxicants, that’s a lot, a lot of different stuff, and I tried that for a few years with, you know, multiple courses of antibiotics, rotating combinations, and each time we try to do that, we’re putting more toxins and toxicants into our body. 

We’re putting more toxins in our body when we try to kill off those bugs as fast as we can, and those bugs break down and deteriorate and release more bug products. So either they get scared of death by that antibiotic coming at them and they poop, and that’s part of toxins is bacterial protozoan parasite poop, or the degradation products when we do kill them, break them down. And if you don’t have the, I guess the German word is drainage. You know, I always thought that it was talking about a septic system or something, and it really is. 

So we have to be able to remove toxins, not only from the body, and that talks about the lungs, the kidneys, the gastrointestinal tract, lymphatic system, and the skin. You also have to get those toxins out of the organelles and out of the cells. So you have to have that drainage system, from top to bottom and inside out, working.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

The drainage system is basically your detox pathways, they all have-


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

The detox pathways. Exactly.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

So for you to go after aggressively, let’s say the root cause, any of the organisms like, or the imbalances the organisms, like you mentioned, without having those detox pathways sort of free moving or opened up beforehand, it’s like throwing gasoline onto a fire because you’re just creating a greater toxic event. And it just keeps backing up and backing up, which another toxic event equals more symptoms. So you need to do a little bit of homework and sort of prepare a plan to lower your toxic burden before you start getting aggressive on other kinds of profiles, right?


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

Yeah, so the first thing is you gotta be, you gotta, I hate to be so basic, you gotta be pooping and peeing. You gotta get your bowels moving and you gotta be drinking lots of water and peeing. And that’s one of the first things I learned at the clinic in Mexico is how important it is to have good bowel movements. And it’s a hospital now. It’s an inpatient intensive care alternative medicine hospital, and the staff all look at everybody’s bowel movements, every bowel movement every day. So the patients take a picture with their phone and send their bowel movements so we can look at it. It’s that important. So your heart rate, your blood pressure, your temperature, and how’s your poop doing today? So it’s very, very important for these to get the detoxifying systems going. And it’s important to remove the organisms, but going after them and just killing them without being able to remove the debris from the body is extremely important. 

There are a number of methods of, we call it detoxing, and one of the things that kind of bothers me the most is I see online, “Join our three day detoxification program,” “Join our six week detoxification program,” “Join our 90 day detoxification program.” And for some people, that’s gonna make the difference or a dent in it, but for most people, if they’ve got chronic Lyme disease, whatever chronic Lyme disease is, it’s really a chronic, I call it a chronic multi pathogen disease. Your drainage pathways, elimination pathways are probably so backed up, that’s not gonna be a 90 day cure if you’re doing it at home.

When it’s done in an inpatient setting, we can be pretty aggressive about it, and that’s having staff help people monitor their intake. and we use a lot of seawater, actually. Seawater is like nature’s solvent, and it really gets into those places to help flush things out of the body. So that’s just one little, you know, you asked me about tips, and so the seawater that’s used in the clinic in Mexico comes from a clean source in the ocean, and they buy it in 100 gallon drums, but you can get it on the internet. Ocean Plasma out of Canada is one place where you can get seawater. And certainly Quinton water. 

You’ll see that on a couple websites that sell Quinton water. Comes in little 10 CC vials, and it’s extremely expensive, but that’s what it is, it’s seawater. So that’s one little tip is to, you know, maybe a quarter cup of seawater and a glass of water every day. That’s something you can do at home. So that’s important. That really is important. You mentioned, I think chelation, and the protocol for chelation usually involves some chemical that leashes the minerals out of the body, hopefully out of the plaque. And then, at certain intervals, either a couple of times a week or once a week, you have to put those minerals back in. And that tends to work and there’s a trial that was done that showed there was some marginal benefit in patients with diabetes in clearing the plaque, the minerals, out of the arteries. We’re interested in clearing the minerals out of the body. And so I don’t think you need to be that drastic to chelate out of the body.

And so one of the things that I’ve used to do that, the gentle chelation is called the GAPS diet. And for those of you out there who have heard of the GAPS, gut and psychology syndrome diet, actually is a natural, mild chelating diet. Now in my own patients, I kick it up a notch and use liquid minerals along with it, which helps displace the ones you don’t want, and then using phosphatidylcholine and essential fatty acids, ox bile and TUDCA, we can provide the body with some natural means to dissolve biofilms and to clear these chemicals and toxins out. The phosphatidylcholine has a role in the body of cleaning, to use a word, or removing biofilms. 

The intravenous form of phosphatidylcholine has a bright yellow color in it, and there’s actually riboflavin and cholic acid in it. Those are some of the active ingredients as to why it seems to work so well for everything from regenerating liver to restoring heart disease and reversing plaque. The same protocol can be given orally. Phosphatidylcholine, ox bile, TUDCA. And that has an effect of changing the electrical charge on the cell membrane and also changing the composition of the cell membrane. This is why it’s gaining the name of membrane medicine. So as the membrane heals, you heal from the inside out. So as a cardiologist, I got interested in that because the heart’s an electrical organ. And so we wanna improve the electrical function of the heart, and so we wanna be able to generate electricity at the organelle level, the cellular level, and the membrane level. And by having the appropriate composition of the cell membrane, where ATP is generated and then stored, and then released, that makes it more effective as an electrical organ, kind of recharges the battery of the heart. And then, when you restore the composition of the cell membrane, it allows the structure and function of the heart to improve. 

But that also works, for example, on the gastrointestinal tract. So gastroparesis is a problem for patients. There’s a lot written about SIBO. There’s multiple protocols, papers, antibiotics for SIBO, small bowel overgrowth. And if you are on the right diet, you put the right components into your system, the bile and TUDCA act not only as fat dispersers, but they also act as chaperones for the metabolism of proteins. There’s a problem of unfolded proteins and unfolded fatty acids become long chain fatty acids, which then precipitates or exacerbates the problem. 

And so, once you restore the liquid butyrate, or we use butyrate, in the protocol, helps to tighten up the cell junctions, so as you start to restore the electrical activity in the bowels, the structural properties to the bowels and provide the, sometimes just the bile acids itself, and the phosphatidylcholine helps to restore the mucus lining of the gut. It’s a major component of it. So we use these things together. You can recover bowel function, improve bowel, and not make it more permeable, but make it less permeable, improve the permeability problem. And that reduces the amount of antigens pouring into the bloodstream, which then reduces the likelihood of inflammation and autoimmunity.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

You know, you’re now kind of talking about leaky gut. You’re describing what leaky gut is. And now they’re talking about leaky brain. Everything is leaking, and they’re tying that to a lot of the chemicals that are in our atmosphere and water and food systems now, that Roundup or glyphosate that is causing havoc in the body. I loved what you were talking about, about the body, the heart, and the charge, the electrical charge, and in order to improve cell interaction and cell health and the methylation of the cell, because we kind of get sick on a cell level and we heal on a cell level, too, right? So, so many of the things that you’re talking about are very important for Lyme, but it’s really for a whole body maintenance and getting yourself prepared for to create a very solid platform to get energetically revived and all these things. They all pull together. Very, very interesting.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

So from my perspective, the idea is to help the body do what it does itself best, and that’s heal itself. And I’ve been studying the work of Dr. Tennant, who puts physics into the mix very clearly, and his work shows that we don’t heal by making sick cells recover. We heal by giving the body what it needs to generate new, healthy cells that work properly. And you can look, there’s tables of the amount of time it takes for different organs to regenerate. And if you can clean up the environment, providing the nutrients that they need and provide the electricity that they need, you will heal quicker and more completely, so-


Robby Besner PSc.D.

You’re talking about Dr. Jerry Tennant, right? He’s amazing, yeah. His whole biomodulation and approach, sort of creating that neutrality in the body battery is so important because he goes through a whole thesis about electron grabbers and electron donors and how your systems have to be balanced in order for your cells to properly and have the proper voltage in order for your cells to regenerate and be healthy. His work is amazing, and I love how you tie it into our discussion today because, you know, you can just learn from the past, but today, we’re talking about moving forward, and we’ve got patients out there and people viewing that are really compromised. And then, some that are kind of operating. 

They have episodes every so often, and they’re just looking for optimal health. And what you’re talking about now is really whether you’re on your back in the bed, or you’re moving around. These are important tenets, or, you know, sort of foundational information that everybody needs to know in order to maintain great health. So we so appreciate where you’re going with this, Dr. Gerber. All right, so I’m sorry to interrupt you. Keep continuing.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

Oh, that’s okay, you’re reinforcing the points that I didn’t reinforce clearly enough. You’re doing a great job helping me. So if you look at that page on my website that’s called a unified approach to therapy, and I call it unified because it ties together what you just said. Healthy people who wanna maintain their health, the worried well, who are healthy but don’t know it, as well as people who are really ill, but it ties all those together. And if you look at the way the page is laid out, on the left side, it has a whole bunch of mission statements that we wanna accomplish in either maintaining health or restoring health. And then the upper quadrants on the right is the nutrients that we need, so in order for cells to either recover or to generate new healthy cells, there’s a number of building blocks that we need. 

And then below that are what I call adjunctive therapies, the things that help jumpstart it to get it moving. And right at the top there is quantum physics and that includes a Dr. Tennant’s devices, scalar energy and EMF energy, so these are things that, I call it back to the future. If you look at descriptions of some of the pyramids, the pyramids have these sacred rooms in them. Some were chambers of the dead, and some of them were chambers for ceremonies to the gods, and they’re deep in the pyramid where there’s no light source. And they’ve looked at the ceilings, they’ve done taken scrapings off the ceilings. And there’s no soot, there’s no evidence that they were using a flame to generate light in there. And the pyramids are all built on the Fibonacci principle. This is something I’ve learned from Dr. Tennant, how to… How to take energy and use it and focus it.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

So, you know, Lowell, it’s so interesting that you bring up the pyramids because in my own research, you know we make infrared saunas and I was really resonating with what you were saying before about detoxing, and that’s one of the principle things that we try to do in our own coaching when people buy our Thera360 Plus saunas. We try to work with them to get that optimum result. That could be just a normal person, and certainly we’re very passionate about the Lyme community and so, many patients out there, the single reason why you’re symptomatic at all is because of that being over toxic. 

And when you’ve got leaky gut and things like that, now you’ve got toxicity and inflammation both causing havoc on your body. That’s not even addressing the underlying imbalances in the electrical current in your body. That’s post Dr. Tennant’s work, and certainly the imbalances of your microbiome with the different organisms that are causing havoc. So all of this stuff has to kind of get back into sync in a way. 

Now, in our research, interestingly enough, we found there’s more than 60,000 pyramids that are peppered around the globe. Not many of them have, not as many as we think, have been completely excavated or excavated at all are found, but all the ones that have been found, in the catacombs inside, they all have the same, one same component, and that’s sort of a bathtub shaped vessel that holds water. And I found that really interesting, but more importantly, each of those vessels are made from rose granite, and most of the times rose granite, which isn’t a common stone on the planet, it’s not generic for the area where the pyramid is found. 

So essentially, however those pyramids are being constructed, they’re importing this rose granite in order for the energetics so that it influences the water and probably the air that’s inside the actual pyramid itself. So we use that rose granite in our technology because of many of those incredible energetic frequencies that come off of it. So you were talking, so I took the mic from you for a minute, so go back to your discussion on pyramids. It’s fascinating.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

Well, it’s beautiful you brought that up because I didn’t realize that about the rose granite tubs. A lot of them have hieroglyphics with a figure holding something that looks like a torch in their hand. And we wonder if that torch is a light source, and by harboring the, or harvesting the energy and the energy we suspect they were harvesting and focusing, the scalar energy. And that has the interesting property that, as opposed to light, electromagnetic frequency, it diminishes with distance and is blocked by metals and solids. The scalar energy increases with distance and penetrates through solids. 

So there’s this thought that perhaps, you know, if there were, I’m not saying there were, but I’m just saying if there were extra terrestrials involved with this, perhaps they were able to harness energy that we hadn’t known about or hadn’t been able to use, but I call it back to the future because now we’re starting to use quantum physics, scalar energy, and healing. And certainly, the infrared is an important part of that. Your full spectrum infrared is an important part of that because we wanna garner as many frequencies as we can because they all probably have a role in how we evolved and how we function. 

And I like the idea of multi frequency generators rather than single frequency generators. An example of that, so we’re getting into the quantum physics part of my adjunctive therapies, but you can get focused lasers of a single energy, or people use Rife, or frequency specific microcurrent, where you’re using a particular energy to affect a particular mission, particular job. For example, Rife, you’ll look up a particular frequency for killing a particular organism. Well, the problem with that is that when you send energy through the tissues in the body, and if the target is in the body somewhere, by the time that frequency gets to that target, the frequency may have changed because of its interaction in the tissues. 

So I liked the idea of having multiple frequencies for reasons such as that. So I think, as we move forward in treating patients with Lyme and co-infections of Lyme and co-morbidities, whatever you wanna call it, because the patients that we’re seeing now have Borrelia, Bartonella, Babesia, they have heavy metals, they have mold and mycotoxins, and so there’s not one herbal remedy, not one antibiotic, not one single modality that’s gonna bring those people back from where they’ve been. You need multiple modalities, and then we need to be able to choose the modality and stage the modality. When do you introduce it? How much do you give? How often and how frequent? And one of the things that I have found more useful in learning how to use it better every day, and that’s using energetic testing. And so we’re now at the point where we are developing more sophisticated tests to identify pathogens that may be infecting us or our patients, and the panels are getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and for the most part, more expensive. And there are still pathogens out there that we haven’t identified yet. 

So we’re doing the best we can to say that a patient’s got, you know, which Borrelia, which species of Bartonella? There are more and more species of Bartonella being identified and they don’t all get treated the same. Same thing with Babesia and Borrelia. Different species respond differently. So I think if you have somebody who’s got a single species of Borrelia, then there are effective homeopathic remedies for them, and there are some energetic remedies for them. For example, heating somebody up to 107 degrees with the thought that you’re gonna kill the heat susceptible Borrelia. The problem is what if they’ve got more than one organism and the other organisms aren’t heat susceptible? Or if you’re choosing a combination of antibiotics, and antibiotics, by definition, antibiotic is anti-life. 

Most of them create havoc for the mitochondria. So when you’re using multiple combinations of antibiotics over multiple years, you may be able to get rid of some of the organisms, but now we know that there are a number of papers published about people who’ve had chronic infections with Borrelia on multiple regimens who have intact spirochetes on autopsy. So to me, the notion that killing organisms in a chronic patient is a primary approach doesn’t make sense. For acute infections, I think that’s when antibiotics and herbal regimens and killing regimens may be beneficial when it’s early on and the systemic load is relatively low, but in chronic disease, when the organisms have changed their morphology and covered themselves with biofilms and penetrated deeply into organs and tissues, I think antibiotics becomes a less effective therapeutic, and other agents, such as ozone, which can penetrate tissues very well, and the energetic medicine, energetic medications or energetic approaches become more meaningful, in particular, things like scalar energy, which will penetrate through the body. 

There are new devices out that rely on artificial intelligence that use the concept of destructive interference. And you can identify pathogens in the body by the frequencies that they emit, and using some of these devices, which actually rely on missile defense technology to identify location and frequency of pathogens, to identify what it is and where it is, and then take that signal and invert it and put it back in the body with the idea that by inverting the frequency, you’ll be able to use destructive interference to make that pathogen disappear.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

You know, I’ve read, I’m gonna jump in, I’ve read something about that, and it’s kind of like the same principle that Bose noise canceling mechanism or headphones works. So you have positive frequency and you have the mirror image or the isomer or the other frequency that’s completely opposite, and when they are put together, it sort of neutralizes it and the body acts almost like it’s invisible. It doesn’t have the same physiological effect on you as it would if it was just left alone. 

And I think it’s amazing because, again, we’re talking about using, but we’re using energy. We’re using frequencies. We’re not changing the chemical composition of your body, but we’re able to aggressively use these kinds of protocols to kind of sneak up on these overgrowths populations of these micro organisms and hit them with nature. Like, when you talk about ozone, that’s oxygen, that’s not gonna create a, have a, let’s say a Lyme turn into a cyst and burrow because it senses the change in your blood chemistry they may get from an antibiotic. 

You’re talking about oxygen, you’re talking about light, you’re talking about heat. I mean, these are all natural events that occur so that there’s no reason for them to think that they were being sought after in a sense. And that is amazing to me ’cause you catch them off guard. Most of the things you’ve talked about today are healthy for the body, but not so healthy for that imbalance, for the Lyme and the co-infections and so forth. Lowell, this is amazing information. Thank you so much for sharing it. We only have a few minutes left, so I’m hoping, is there any things we left out or some other kinds of messages you wanna be able to share with the community today?


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

There’s just a few more comments to make. And I’m just looking at my chart that’s on that webpage of adjunctive therapies, and almost at the bottom, it says dental care and repair with a biologic dentist. Every patient with, I shouldn’t say every patient, there’s no everything and there’s no always, no never, but most of the time, patients with chronic Lyme or chronic infections or chronic disease process should have their teeth looked at. And so, now I include a 3D cone beam routinely in my evaluations. So again, I’m learning a lot by being in a hospital, which cares for people with chronic inflammatory and chronic infectious diseases. And these people come from all over the world from many different places where they just weren’t able to heal. 

It’s kind of like the resort for the last resort. And there’s now a 3D cone beam in the hospital. And these patients, when they come in, part of their workup is looking at their teeth and jaw. And we have a really highly skilled biologic dentist working with us, and he is finding, routinely, nests of parasites in the jaw, in the cavitations. And when you dig these parasites out and clean it out, these patients get better. So chronic Lyme disease, some of these people who have chronic, we call it chronic persistent Lyme disease, they have parasites. The parasites harbor Borrelia, they harbor viruses, and if you don’t get rid of the parasite, you will never get rid of the disease process related to the other smaller organisms. So parasites in the jaw and in the mandible are very difficult to remove with your typical 90 day, 72 hour parasite cleanse. 

So patients in this category with chronic Lyme disease, post-treatment Lyme disease, whatever you wanna call it, I think part of that problem is just reinfection from organisms and toxins and toxicants that are well hidden inside the parasites. And it’s known from Dr. Klinghardt’s lectures that many of the parasites are there to feed on metals, toxic metals. That’s one of their roles is to clean it up. They harbor it in their bodies. So dental care and the 3D cone beam I think should be essential for anybody who’s continuing to suffer with Lyme and co-infections. And then, the next category is meditation, emotional healing, and sleep hygiene. 

I didn’t realize how important those were until I was really sick, and emotions are stored in the body as emotional fields, as electromagnetic fields, rather. And that’s where this part of this issue of the heart harboring memories is. You transplant the heart into another body, and there are electromagnetic fields that are associated with that. So in the process of healing from any chronic disease, emotional healing is very important, and you won’t get to the final stage of healing until you’ve accomplished the emotional and mental and spiritual healing. 

And the bottom line for that, so prayer is at the bottom of the list, and it’s not there because it’s the last of the considerations. It’s there because it’s the bottom line. You gotta keep faith, you gotta have hope, people around you who love you, and keep your inspiration that there is an end to all this, and the end of the journey is as health.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow. Amazing. Well, speaking from someone who entered the tunnel and came out of the other end of the tunnel, it’s what you’ve talked today was so authentic and so important for everybody out there to know. Dr. Lowell Gerber, thank you so much for joining us and making your contribution. I failed to say earlier that you’re a public speaker. You write and publish a whole bunch of great, important information. You’re part of ILADS and have been part of the committees over there. And, again, these are all part of the research teams and your own contribution in your area, which, you know, it’s sort of out on the limb because people mostly talk about the full body Lyme experience and co-infections, not specific to the way it affects your heart. And so, that’s so important for people to know and to dial into the information that you’ve given us today. Thank you so much for joining us and the information you imparted.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

I want people to know that Robby and Melanie have been very influential in me figuring out how to incorporate energy medicine because it was part of my recovery using the Therasage Infrared in particular. So I can’t thank Robby enough for having me here to be part of his project. God bless everybody.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, it wouldn’t have been the same without you, and I just loved you ending on the emotional-spiritual part because it starts with that and it ends with that, and you really can’t truly heal completely unless you get a lot of that stuff together and just kind of work out all those difficulties, and some of that, some of the emotions we get, we actually inherit from prior generations. It’s not even stuff that we created. So it is important to work through all that in order for us to heal and be healthy and fulfill our dreams. I call it my bliss. And even for my daughter, what I said is, “Don’t be defined by your diagnosis.” 

Sometimes many of those diagnoses are wrong. And particularly with Lyme, because it mimics so many different kinds of diseases of sort that it is difficult to diagnose sometimes, but true health to me is living purposefully, giving a contribution back to your community, the things you love, your family, your religion, your hobbies, whatever that might be, and living symptom-free or episode-free. 

However, that is, because we all, all of us have a little Epstein-Barr. We all, I mean, someone that has malaria or, let’s say hepatitis, they all have a little bit of this stuff going on in them, but if they don’t, they’re not symptomatic. They basically can live a very fulfilled life, and I wish that for all of you, and certainly for you, Dr. Lowell. Thank you for joining us today. We appreciate all your words of wisdom.


Lowell I. Gerber, M.D.

Thank you. God bless everybody.


Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey, everybody. It’s Robby Besner. Thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with anyone that you think might benefit from it, and we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.


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