GAMMA PEMF in Holistic Wellness & Addiction

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes, yes, yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I have to cut out this. So his formal name now these days is Dr. Sergey Shealy-Sorin.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes, Sir.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That correct.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

You got it. Actually, there’s also a middle name, Leo, but four names in one, I mean, that’s a little bit, that gets a little long there, but yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Okay. Hold on now. Hold on. So I’m gonna start all over again. I’m gonna edit this part out.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes, Sir. I love that, yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So hi, this is Dr. Pawluk. This episode of the PEMF Healing Summit includes a very special guest, who works with somebody I’ve respected for a very long time, and has been in that field of energy medicine and so on, and actually is the father of the TENS Machine. And that’s Dr. Norman Shealy, so I wanna introduce you today to Dr. Sergey Shealy-Sorin, who’s the adopted son of Dr. Shealy, and they’ve been working together for a while now. And so rather than me trying to tell what he is, who he is, what he’s doing, let’s have Dr. Sorin tell us his story himself, please.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Thank you. It’s an honor, and it’s an honor to be here as well. The company is always amazing. The story is basically, I’ll just cut to the essential bullet points, so to speak. It started out back in the former Soviet. I was born and raised in Belarus, used to be part of what used to be called Russia. So I learned a lot of interesting things in that part of the world through the years. I left the country when I was 12. it was enough to see my grandmother, who was a pediatric cardiologist, basically, working miracles with almost nothing. And basically, the system was not conducive. So that’s when I learned, subconsciously, I realized that, and I’ve been using those kind of concepts since. You gotta use the tools around and outside the system. That was the foundation. I also have family. My uncle was a physician. My mom was a nurse, and there’s people before that and otherwise, in the field healing and otherwise. So it literally, when it came for me to, well, was a question, “What do you wanna do when you grow up?” I was in SKA High School and so on and so forth. So the answer was, “What do you mean? Of course, I’m gonna be a doctor.” But you know, at that time I went into the conventional medical system, and I did well. Well, no, emergency room, family medicine, lots of different things. I established my American dream, house, cars. Lots of things that I thought was basically life. And this is a little emotional here, but around 2007, my life literally stopped on a dime. Stopped, boom. 

And that was basically when I was told that I have the diagnosis of nearly completely obstructed colon cancer in this transverse colon, with a two year survival, according to the first oncologist, this was back in 2007. And so there I am, I basically a physician, I finally accomplished my dream. I take transverse continents. This is it, I did it. And then all of a sudden, it’s over, boom. I mean, the ground gets pulled out from under me. So that literally set into motion a series of events, but I knew right there, right then, especially when I told the college, who told me that I would be dead within two years, that he would be dead before I was if he didn’t leave the room, literally. That’s when I realized that basically, I wasn’t gonna stand for this. I mean, it took me a week to realize that ultimately. But every single cell inside my body revolted at that time. And that’s when I remembered the roots and the foundations. And that’s when I said, “Absolutely hell no. I’m not going down this pathway.” I did do some chemo, but I also started learning. That’s when I started kind of attending conferences and the holistic approach. I had a number of companies that I set up along the way. And the along the way, in 2015, we were giving a presentation, a conference on binaural beats frequency. in other words for the brain. And this was a company that myself and my medical partner started for a number of years. 

It wasn’t doing very well, but I loved what I was doing, so I just kept on going. So that conference in 2015, in Kansas city, Dr. Norm Shealy came down, he was a friend of my medical partner, And right after the conference, he just came up to me, and he made me an offer. “Come down to Springfield, Missouri, and join us.” At that point, I was quoting Dr. Shealy, with his discovery of TENS Device, the dorsal cord stimulator about 30, 35 other books. Now it’s over 40. Over 300 publications of the major pioneer in pain management, and there he is offering me a position to join him, to learn from him, to be with him. At that point, I didn’t even know why, what. I was like, “Why me? What did I do? I mean, who am I?” I didn’t realize for a while that he was right. He knew who to pick. He took about three or four years to groom me into the position. I’ll say that. I mean, I grew into it. It wasn’t immediate. But it’s been a fantastic journey right now. Basically, it’s been about seven years now with Dr. Shealy in Springfield, Missouri. We have a practice called The Real Holistic Doc that we practice the holistic principles that he has started literally since, well, ’60s and ’70s. That’s when he started his journey. And along the multiple pathways. And we are doing incredibly well for the people. Over 36,000 successful outcomes all around, and just really keeping on going, lots of options.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Lots of options. So you’re still practicing?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

How many sessions a week are you seeing patients?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Oh. Well, the way that we do this, with the way we do our practice is we don’t take insurance. That’s number one. So we’re not limited by limitations and otherwise. The intake is literally an hour. Sometimes more, sometimes less. And during the intake, we literally explore everything. From the childhood, the triggers, the medical history, but also mental, emotional, spiritual, does the person know who they are? And we’ll get into that holism, and the why the what and the how, but there’s got to be the entire comprehensive holistic approach covering a number of angles, otherwise, it’s not likely to be successful.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So one of the reasons for your invitation to the summit is because of a device that Dr. Shealy, I don’t know what role you had in it that.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

The original device, the PEMF, was Dr. Sheila’s original creation. And that’s the Shealy sweep for chakra sweep. Since then, because of my interest, and because, well, we are working with a number of people, who are absolutely brilliant, and I’ll say that, we have decided to update the device. And so from the original plugged in version, where it had only one mode, a beautiful mode, of course, and did a lot of good, but now we have three different modes, and I’m happy to talk about the device. So it’s been evolved ever since the time we changed the packaging, we changed some of the specifics, but the heart of it still remains the same, what Dr. Shealy meant to it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Let me pause us there for a second.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Just to make sure that we integrate.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So basically the foundation started with this holistic healing center, clinic, whatever you wanna call it, right? And Dr. Shealy has had all these broad range of interests over the years, including natural healing techniques and visualizations, you name it. Basically the whole spectrum.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Everything. Yeah, the whole spectrum, yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And he is well known for his, I won’t call it eccentricity. Eccentricity means moving away from the center, I guess, centris, right? So you’re outside the center.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Love it, love it though. Thank you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So he developed this chakra sweep device with a specific frequencies and stimulation. And then, from an AC unit, where you plugged it into the wall, you moved it over into a battery operated system, right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And so now that battery operated system, what’s that device called? What’s the name of the device?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Actually, I have a copy, or I have a form right here. This is the control center, the control box. And this is the Shealy. Oops, let me get it. Shealy-Sorin.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So Shealy.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yup.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

S and then heal.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Let me put it the right way. Yup.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

S-H-E-A-L, heal. So Shealy-Sorin, well.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Sorin, PEMF. And this is the device. This is the controlled center. This is the coil. This is what we use to plug into the device. Of course you can charge it. You can keep it plugged in. But the bottom line is, you can use it over a baseball cap, or you can just use it as a halo. It looks like a halo. We joking, we joke around that pictures of states.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I mean, that’s why it’s a yellow collar.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

That’s right. That’s my contribution, by the way. We were choosing the collars, and one of my contributions, and I said, “You know what, all the saints have the golden halo around them. This is just about the right size. It does that. It puts the brain into gamma, which is a great place to be. Why not? Let’s let’s make it yellow.” It’s a halo.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Now, I do know, and I’ve used your machine. I do know that you can actually squeeze it. It doesn’t have to stay. It’s not fixed. It’s not rigid. So you can’t hold it a little bit to the head size.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

That’s right. That’s right. And this is what a lot of people don’t realize, that if your head is not exactly circular. I mean mine is not. I mean, I’m not a perfect being.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And nobody is actually.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Nobody is. Boom, still works. Actually, as a matter of fact, sometimes I just walk around with it. I’ve been told that I got a huge head. I mean, like, the ego wise, but I mean, just kidding. But if you go have a huge head, you won’t be able to do this, but this is okay as well. It’s literally designed to be portable. I’ve walked with it in the airports, basically, confused the living light side of the security, just trying to explain what it does in about five seconds or so. I mean, it’s a little difficult.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

They are like, say “Go away.”

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Okay. All right. So then you, you had the Shealy sweep, so tell us what the Shealy sweep is.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Shealy sweep is a… Well, Dr. Norm, Dr. Shealy was inspired by the fact that there’s actually an earth frequency in the atmosphere. And we talked about that at one point. In the atmosphere, there’s something called Schumann frequency, 7.83 hertz or cycles per second. And that frequency is, well, there’s a number of frequencies. Also, there’s another frequency I wanna jump into. The earth frequency, not just on the atmosphere, but on the surface of the earth, which is around 10 hertz or cycles per second. So you’ve got this range. The idea behind this is that, and Dr. Shealy has been working with chakras, with energy systems. And by the way, chakras correlates to the nerve plexus, for example. The fourth chakra is your heart flexes? Well, you you’ve got your throat. You’ve got your brain. Brain is a center of activity, and so on and so forth. So you can literally make sense, and make use of the words that people don’t understand, like chakras and otherwise, but let’s call them energy centers. So there is seven energy centers along the body, and the original intention and the device, and I wish I could show you the original device that was, it’s like a little funky looking, I guess, but still works very well, is what it did was it sweeped within 10 minutes, from 7.83 cycles per second, plus minus two, allowing for human variability. And then, times two, times three, times four, times five, times six, and times seven. 

So the entire range goes from 5.83 cycles per second to about 56.3 cycles per second, if I do the math right, I think. But that range literally gives you everything. And one thing that is very interesting about that range, specifically, is the 40 cycles per second, or the gamma. Now, gamma, interestingly enough, I talked to several people, and gamma doesn’t just hang out at 40 cycles per second. But just for simplicity sake, that’s one of the things that has been researched more, and has been associated with the best results. Gamma is amazing. Gamma is literally why we’re here, why we’re talking about this, because this is a Gamma PEMF. It’s the only PMF that I know that does this great of a job, putting the brain into I am okay, optimal state. And this is a brainwave state of people, who have meditated for decades. So for people who have no idea how to meditate, and this is an interesting story, how do you teach somebody? Let’s say, if there’s a blind blind person, or let’s say, they cannot see colors, a color blind. Let’s put it that way. And they cannot see color blue. So if you try to describe color blue to them, how do you do that in other words? But if you can show them once what color blue looks like, they know what that state is like, and they can do the work to get back to that state. 

Now, this gets now into the concept that the devices are great. They assist and they give you the path to get into a better place so that you can, well, you can get to where you need to be, but it’s the desire, intention, and the work that a person has to put through in order to train yourself, neuroplasticity. It’s not something, “Okay, putting the device on. I feel better. I’m done.” That’s not how that works. That’s not the intention. Although, that’s fine too. It’s just not the best optimal way to use it. You have to use this within the comprehensive system because that’s how that works best. Within the holistic approach, and that spirit, soul mind, the control center, and the body, which is when I say the body, to me, it means the lifestyle, the patterns, and basically ease or dis-ease. What we call disease, diabetes, hypertension, strokes, heart attacks, those are diseases. We walked away from the ease, we walked away from the blueprint, and let’s talk about that as well. I’m introducing a number of interesting concepts here that are basically the foundation of my work here, the blueprint of humanity, how that works, and how it should work.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And so, yeah, we all have a blueprint, and we were born with a blueprint, but we could change that blueprint.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

By many of the things that you just said.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Let’s go back to the Shealy-Sorin Machine, again for a second. So you have the Shealy sweep, that was the original. And from there you talked about gamma.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And so then you added the gamma frequencies.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yup, and so this is the update. Literally, turn on. I don’t know how well you can see the colors, but that’s one of the ways.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

It’s blinking, right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah, exactly. And you might not see fully on the screen. This is not the highest grade camera that will do the job. But you push the button again, different color. This now is the magic. This is the gamma. And with this, attached to… Now, technically, what I should be doing, and I’ll illustrate this, and might as well enjoy the benefits. I’m gonna plug in the coil, and there we are. I’m benefiting right now from the device as we’re doing this conversation.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I’m very disappointed that you’re not levitating.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Boom. I’ll give it a go.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s okay. I’ll forgive you for that.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Give me about 10 minutes. I’ll forgive you for that

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Thank you.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

All right. So gamma is, what are the range of frequencies for gamma that you use in the machine?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

We focused on 40 cycles per second, hertz. Now, gamma can also be found in 80 cycles per second, and there’s actually, interestingly enough, there’s entire range that is being utilized. But the trouble is, much like with any kind of research that is done, it’s the research is done by those who are interested in a certain topic, and the people, who are interested in 40 cycles per second, did the research. So that’s how we know about 40 cycles per second. We don’t know about 39 cycles per second, or 38, say and a half. It might be good. It might be better. but again, there was no research on that. So the only thing we can speak about is number 40.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So 40 is the only frequency that you have in there for gamma?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Oh, no, no, no, absolutely. It ranges all the way up to 56.3, and so basically cycles and oh, hertz. And then because cycles back around to 5.83 again, in a course of 10 minutes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So that gamma sweep.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Oh, in the gamma sweep, it’s a little different. If you’re doing the general chakra sweep, I mean, it goes through everything. In the gamma, you do get the benefit of other frequencies, but primarily, what you’re focusing on is the 40 seconds per second, that’s right.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s the primary frequency.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

That’s the primary frequency on this. Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

All right. So now, there’s another program in there too?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

We do. Another push of a button, and you got something called delta. And this is an interesting frequency because it is been my favorite for a long time, for a number of reasons. Zero to three cycles per second or delta is what I’ve used in a number of recordings to induce the brain into deep sleep, relaxation, recovery. And we actually put that in because we realized that the sweep will actually help with the regeneration of ATP, energy cellular support, lots of other benefits. There’s actually, the list goes on and on, it’s just PEMF are fantastic. And lots of PEMF have lots of good functions. I mean, it’s wonderful. Interesting thing about delta that we discovered is that when people started using delta, zero to three cycles per second, not just for sleep, it actually the, well, sciatica, pain, neuropathic type of conditions. Even terrible things like chronic pain syndromes and otherwise of that nature, it calm it down. And so we started scratching our heads, and asking, “How does that do that?” And the interesting thing is… Go ahead, please, if you have anything to say about.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

No, that’s with treatment to the brain, that’s using that coil to the brain, right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yup. But you can also apply it directly to the area of the nerve, nerve plexus. For example, people with sciatica, you put the delta sweep on right where the lower back is, where the nerve bunch starts out, and within an hour to two hours. And sometimes sooner, sometimes later, people experience calming and relief. And so that was one of those unanticipated, “Oh, wow, this is great. We didn’t see that coming, but we’ll take it.”

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And we agree. There’s something in that I call the chronic pain brain. And so chronic pain tends to create changes in the brain. So if you’re using this to the brain, you can decrease the perception of pain from other parts of the body.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Exactly. And I’ll just jump in with a small example, from my emergency room experience, when we get into certain situations. For example, a code. A person comes in, they don’t have a pulse, they don’t have a blood pressure, they’re trying to die. Sometimes, we can bring them back. Sometimes, we can’t. It depends on the situation, and we do the protocols. But the interesting thing is you got a person in that situation, so they’re not awake, they’re not alert. You can literally poke them with intraosseous. There are devices that shoot it right into the bone marrow, and that’s an extremely painful thing. There’s so much stuff that happens in that small window of time, when we’re running the code, including breaking of the ribs. And I mean, I’m going into the gross details here and terrible stuff, but a lot of terrible stuff happens, but people don’t feel that pain. They’re out of it. They’re not present for that pain. And so that tells me, and this has been something that I’ve been working on. There’s a way to control the pain at the site, at the level of the pain. In other words, stop the injury, work to regenerate as much as you can on this peripheral nerves. But the ultimate center, the ultimate power is right here. This is how we interpret things. This is where we take it. And if you can get this listing, the control center in a better place, no matter what the situation is, you’ll do it. You’ll handle it in the best possible way. Not saying it’s gonna be pleasant. Not saying it’s perfect and ideal. Not saying there’s no discomfort, but you’ll handle it. You’ll work with it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

I totally agree. All right. So now you have the machine, the Shealy-Sorin Machine. And what have you found that, you said pain, it reduces pain. What else have you discovered? What other research or experiences have you had with the equipment?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Oh, let’s start with the regeneration and the recovery. I’ll use my own personal example. About more than a year ago, March of last year, I ended up with a high-speed collision, one car. I went off the road about a hundred plus miles an hour. I can say it now. Basically I made it through, and I’m not gonna do that again. No intention. That was completely unnecessary, completely unnecessary. But again, bad habits, control center. The brain decides, the body follows, and then you deal with the outcomes, and that’s how it works. Hopefully we learn, and hopefully we move on in a better fashion. That’s my plan. So I was literally nearly paralyzed, and I had a number of other fractures, and broken bones, and otherwise. So I literally, I underwent a L1 through L4 titanium, well, binding. So I’m literally half titanium, literally left side of my body is titanium, primarily. And the centers now titanium, and it literally took me four weeks to get back to work in the emergency room, doing a 24 hour shift. Now, I was using the PEMF 24/7. I was using other techniques. I started seeing a physical therapist, who told me, “Do this, don’t do that.” But the bottom line is, instead of being able to return to work in, at best, at six to eight weeks at minimal, with minimal activity, I was full speed ahead.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Four weeks?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Four weeks.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Yeah, that’s fantastic. And you’re talking about the Shealy PEMF?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah. Yup, yup, yup. I also did a number of other modalities, but it’s amazing. When I had the device on me, it felt immediately better. Especially, during acute inflammation injury. When I didn’t have it, I was asking for it. Other things, other case scenarios. Incredible results. The brain, for example, depression, anxiety. It just literally, it’s just stay and night. Now, not always immediate. Sometimes, takes an hour. Sometimes, takes a week. Some people with a lifetime pattern of depression, anxiety, mental health, they’ll take some time. And I think, one of the troubles with a chronic disease, chronic illness is that we are also, it’s not just physical. You can look on the physical level and work with a physical all day long, just a chronic line patient, or any kind of chronic pain, but the fact of a matter is you gotta reprogram the control center as well. And not just what’s coming in and what’s coming out. It’s gotta be, well, how we perceive, how we utilize, and how we respond because you can literally change the entire thing, the entire concept. Chronic pain doesn’t have to be the issue. Now, same thing with recovery. I’ve discovered that people, humans, have the huge potential to recover and to do him incredibly well. And as a matter of fact, there is no ceiling, literally.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

What do you mean by recovery?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Recovery. Let’s talk about the concept of this dis-ease, lack of ease. To most people, it’s a label. Diabetes, hypertension, chronic pain, depression, anxiety, cancer, you name it. And then, there’s they go to conventional doctors to a large degree, and they get drugs, surgery, referrals, so on and so forth, and it becomes a chronic dis-ease. Chronic dis-ease is terrible because you’re not at ease. You’re not enjoying your life. So the key in the holistic approach, what we do is, my first step. I have two step approach to people, to humanity. Step number one is take the dis out of the dis-ease, and just knock it out of there. Literally, teach people how to think, not so much what to think, but how to think, how to process, how to literally reestablish the neuroplasticity of their brain, which is the receiving center, but more so to understand and use this experience as a gift, as a blessing because every injury, every trauma, every hurt that in my life has led me to a deeper, better understanding of myself and application into clinical practice. Everything I am is a holistic doc. Everything I have to offer physically, well, spiritually, spirit, soul, mentally, emotionally, physically, all the modalities is because I I’ve, I’ve seen everything on my own back, literally, on my own skin. And having that experience, being a patient, and being on both sides of the spectrum, and knowing what works and what doesn’t work, conventional doesn’t work, and that’s why it’s called chronic dis-ease. Yeah. 

And then literally just opening your ears, opening your eyes, opening your mind, and just literally saying, “Let’s give it a go. The proof is in the pudding.” Change the patterns, change the outcomes. But that’s where the entire holistic thing comes in. Spirits, all mind, body, you gotta really work on this, and that’s why we take so much time with people just to understand . It’s not just, “Here’s the curious script, here’s your appeal have a nice day. Here’s a eva,” even device. I mean, and I’ll go even as far as say, I love this device. I think every household should have this device, just because of what it does, or basically some kind of a healing device that basic supports the cellular and their cellular supports in their life. But the bottom line is, literally change the perspective, change the paradigm. The conventional system is failing, and it has already failed. it’s a dead carcass, literally, that’s starting to stink. And the stench is getting louder and louder, so this is the time before, while we still have time to literally say responsibility. I am responsible for my health. And so this is where the time and the place to be holistic, what I call holistic, but you can call it healthy. You can use whatever terms you use.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So the magnetic therapy is one piece.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

I definitely, and when I tell people, this is not a solution, this is not an end all for all, in other words. It works well, but I’ve also seen people, paradoxically, they get better, but in their identity, they don’t wanna get better. Or they’re associated with a sick model, so they will find the reason or excuse to feel worse again. Or to stop using the device or otherwise. And the most common thing that I get, the most common statement is, “Well, I was feeling better, and then I stopped. And now that I’m feeling like crap again.” So then in the next question that I have for such a person is, “Well, how much do you enjoy being feeling like crap? ‘Cause that’s your decision. That’s what you’re doing to yourself.” I’m very direct when it comes to people.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And how well do they respond to that directness?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Two ways. Some people walk out, in which case I give them their money back, and tell them to come back if they’re interested in learning more, with a smile, of course. I don’t discount anybody. I’ve seen that. And most of them do end up coming back, some months later. Most, not all. At that point, it’s a different conversation. Are we ready to work?

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So yes. I mean just eliminating the pain is not healing.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

No.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Healing is at all the levels.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Healing is on all the levels, absolutely. Including understanding, why is the pain there? But you don’t have to live with a pain. In other words, Dr. Shealy has a very wonderful expression. You’ve got to go through the trauma and the life as it is, you gotta go through it. You can run away from it. You have to address it, and basically face it, and make the best of it. Learn from it. Grow from it. But you don’t have to wallow in manure, really. I mean, you don’t have to basically stay in a bad situation. Identify it, do something about it, reassess. If it works, great. If it doesn’t work, do something else.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Very important, very important. So even though we have this technology to help us out, again, we need to learn how to do all the other things that we need to do. Including changing your mind is what we’re talking about. You have to change your mind, and you have control over that.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes. As a matter of fact, there’s only one person, who’s got control over them, and that’s themselves. Whether a person takes responsibility. And I love that word, responsibility. If a person takes that responsibility, and runs with it, they get their life back. They get to build the life that they want, and they get to change the patterns. If a person does not want to take responsibility, and there’s plenty of people like that, especially in the hospital, I still work emergency room. And I still offer some wellness advice, but very cautiously, because most people who attend ERs are in the mind frame of fixed speed. I want appeal. I want the procedure. I want this and that. And then I’ll see you again with the same problem, because I’m say of them doing the same pattern. And I see them again, and I go through the same journey again. So that’s, that seems to be one subset. In our practice, very different subset, because when people come in, most, first of all, we don’t take insurance. So when a person comes in, it’s cash and there is a reason for that, there’s two reasons. And initially, I was feeling really terrible about that. How do we take other people’s cash? But the bottom line is, in the insurance healthcare industry, pharmaco mafia, this whole entire con complex, and we can talk about that in more detail, but this is literally a racketeering business. 

And in order to get out of their hold, in order to get out of their, in other words, control to do the right thing, our practice simply cannot accept insurance. We cannot play by their rules. And so that by the people that come in, they know that, and they also know what we do. And when they know that we’re not about the pills, I mean, I’ll write a script if I have to, I’ll give a device. I mean, I offer, unless a person has a pacemaker or pregnancy, which is contraindications, not really contraindications. I’m very careful with pregnancy and a pacemaker. There is a battery. It may be affected, and may not. Actually, I’ve had several people, who I carefully screened for the device, and I said, “Do you have any devices, any pacemakers,” and said, “No, no, no, no, no.” And then sudden, that’s subsequently, I would communicate. I was like, “Oh, I forgot to tell you. I have a pacemaker.” “Oh, are you okay?” Nothing happened. But again, it’s a precaution. Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Even then this level of intensity of PEMF is not going to affect the pacemaker.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

That’s exactly, it’s at the 0.2 gauge, the intensity level amplitude. It literally, it’s not a high amplitude device. It’s really a subtle energy device. And it works very well.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s a key point, I think, that you’re making is that it’s a subtle energy device. That’s why you can use it for hours and hours at times. You use it all day, even.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

What would recommend is because it does so much, and because the goal is not just to relieve the pain for the moment. The goal is to reset the system and neuroplasticity of the central and the peripheral nervous system. So 24/7 as much as possible. And the low amplitude, in other words, that helps. You can literally wear it 24/7.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, as opposed to a thought, it’s very hard to maintain a thought 24/7.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes. And interesting thing about thoughts, feelings, and emotions. Emotions, energy in emotion, I love words. Most people are wonderful alchemists. They take the energy, and they take whatever is given to them in life, and they, for the most part, we we’ve been taught to turn it into crap. In other words, negative problems, issues. And in the meantime, well, here, this is what kind of strikes me completely, unnecessary. You don’t have to really, really wallow in the manure. The human being has an entire range of experiences. Here’s a neutral, here’s the negative or what we call negative, here’s the positive. And we’re capable of this whole range. That whole range can expand further when you do better things, when you get into better situations. But the fact of a matter is, no matter how crappy, how terrible, how difficult the situation is, there is always a choice. As long as a person remembers to remember, well, I’m a spiritual being, I am a soul. I can watch this whole thing with fascination, that’s what I do. I literally, I watch the world with fascination. I mean, I do my best. I do what I can to help. I work lots of crazy hours. Emergency room, clinic education, otherwise, but bottom line is, at the end of the day, I step back and say, “Oh, wow, what a show?”

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

What a show? Good point, what a show.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So you’re talking about neuroplasticity.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So what does gamma do for neuroplasticity?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Wonderful question. First, I’ll bring in one of the other applications of this device. And we actually did research, and Dr. Shealy was the primary on that research, and I was assisting on that. At the time, addiction. There were 10 people. This was about five years ago. So forgive me if I’m not as good on details of this as I could be, but I’m just gonna give you the general concept of what this was about. And addiction is a very interesting concept, especially opioid addiction. At the very best of the addiction centers, the ratio of recovery long term is maybe 17 to 20%. I mean, that’s what you get, and you’re paying thousands upon thousands of dollars, really. And most of this folks end up, just basically, doing cycle over round after round, after round. And that’s conventional. That’s the best that they can do for the most part. This is the concept that using the entire holistic approach, I’m not just saying the PEMF, but introducing the concept of the spirit, soul, mind, body. Reminding a person, they’re more than their physical body thoughts and emotions. They have the power and the responsibility to change. And if they have the desire, then this device, minimum of two hours on around the baseball cap, or cranium, or around the neck, as I’m doing right now, has basically, it’s well now over five years, and well over 90% of the folks, of the 10 original 10 participants are still free of addiction. And several families.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

After all those years?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Exactly. And if you look at the peer ratios and values, and the statistics, I mean, this is a fantastic result, in a very difficult population. But it also works in depression, anxiety. Pretty much through the optimization of the cellular structure itself. Literally, through the sweep itself, we’ve seen better numbers on blood pressure, sugar. We’ve seen recovery on pulmonary functions. We had a person with a post COVID, of several weeks later, still dropping their oxygen, and they were able to maintain the oxygenation by keeping the device on around their chest area. Now, it’s not really practical to keep the device on them 24/7. I mean, at some point you’re gonna walk away from the device, or you gotta use the restroom, or something like that. But the fact that it did that, it’s fantastic.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, what you remind me of is when you’re talking about using the Shealy, the device, for the brain, for addiction, you are in a sense putting a floor.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Right? Under the brain waves. You’re giving a constant stimulus.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So if the brain wants to dip down into a negative state, if you will, it’s got a floor, right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So it’s less likely to, it doesn’t mean it can’t, but it’s less likely to. So you’re more likely to have them functioning at a higher level of brain function.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes. I’ll give you one example of a person, who was able to basically defeat every, or basically overwhelm everything that we had to offer. From lifestyle, not interested. The PEMF did it. Initially said, “Oh, this is great.” And then all of a sudden, you can see the eyes in the brain saying, “Hey, this is different.” And then it’s like, “Oh, wait a second. No, no, I’m getting worse again.” And you can see that they’re going into the same pattern. There’s nothing, not much I can do for that person. If they desire to go lower, the brain is the strongest force, the strongest stimulus thing that we have, literally. So for such a person, until they decide that when they wanna get better, and they wanna stay okay, it’s great. But for those who are actually interested, and want to get better, that floor, so to speak, that’s what it keeps you from trouble, so to speak. And then from there, you can consciously choose to where you wanna go. Do you want to get better? Do you wanna feel better? Do you want to feel more better concentration, awareness, relaxation, optimization of performance, you name it. This is the second step of where the whole is holistic approach is fantastic. Is that unlike conventional medicine, that can take you from pain to no pain, the next step is how do you learn from that pain, and how do you evolve as a human being, in terms of spirits, all mind, body? What lessons do you take from it? And how do you get back to helping humanity? So to speak, I mean, that’s my purpose. I mean, so another person may have another purpose, I imagine. But how do you make use of that experience in terms of the big picture, and well, holism, holy? Being able to serve, to be our best.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

We’ve talked about this on our previous summit, the Pain Solution Summit, and people talk about the fact that you can take that or remove the pain. But we think of the pain as a nuisance. We think of it as a nuisance. We think of it as something we don’t wanna deal with, but quite frankly, for most of us, that pain becomes like often it happens with cancer. It becomes an opportunity, right? If we see pain as a learning opportunity, then we not only deal with the pain, but we deal with all the things that happened in our lives that got us to the point of having that pain.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

100%. I’ll share a little story. Since my car accident, I’ve had, well, fusion of L1 through L4. If I were to use the numbers that I typically, in a pain scale, one to 10, or the faces from very said to very happy. I can literally say that my baseline is I have a sensation. I have a feeling in the back and in the lower, in the legs. Pretty much, most of the time.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Even now?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah. Right now, as we speak, I mean, I’m aware of little humming, going on in the background. Now, it lets me know what’s going on. It’s not my enemy. It’s not a problem. It’s not an issue. it’s a feedback. It’s a sensor. It lets me know that if I move, “Okay, stop that. Don’t do that. Okay, you can go this way.” Anyway, so on and so forth. It literally guides me. But the other thing that was even more wonderful about that is it literally made me evaluate my whole life because I went back to the same concept of why was I racing at 100 miles an hour to get to the clinic? I didn’t have to do that. That was my own stupidity. And that made me think about all the other reckless things that I’ve done in my life. And that literally led to a complete turnaround, and lot of basically, every other part of my life. I literally moved from the spew fast lane into the slower lane. Now, I can still use the fast lane from time to time, but this is the time to slow down. Even take care of myself now. Allow myself the care, the love. Look at myself in the mirror and say, look myself in the eye and say, “I love you.” It’s wonderful. And yeah, from time to time, I mean, when I put in a 24 hour emergency room shift. Yeah, I need a good massage, and lots of PEMF, but well, it is what it is.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Do you wear your machine when you’re in the ER?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes, yes, yes. And actually, I still spook some people, especially when the administration comes around. But the clinicals, the clinical people are all aware.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So do you wear it on your head, or do you wear it around your neck?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Sometimes on the head, sometimes on the neck, and they, if I really wanna spook a patient, or somebody who is really not open to anything new or different, I will walk into a patient’s room with a halo around my head, and then that leads to an interesting conversation. I don’t do that often. I mean, there’s there there’s some, no. It fires back into me.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Maybe you need to wear shoes that are transparent.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So you bounce it look like you’re walking on an air.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Floating, that’s right, yes. Hey, I’m feeling good. That’s all that matters to me.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

That’s all that matters.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah. Well, it matters.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

So where could people find out more about you.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Realholisticdoc. R-E-A-L-H-O-L-I-S-T-I-C-D-O-C, .com. We have information.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

C-O-C-M like .com.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

.com, yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Okay.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah, and by the way, I had a question, and this is like a final, this is funny, but I do wanna say it because it was a question at one point. it’s not D-U-C-K. It’s not, real holistic duck, as an animal. It’s D-O-C. But I do wanna necessarily say something about that because it made me think about something. This whole concept of holistic medicine has been absolutely, well, the conventional system has tried to annihilate holism, and the entire spectrum of the human being, and has done a fantastic job covering a lot of it. But one thing jumps to mind, when it comes to holism, wellness, and all these things that are outside of the realm, holistic medicine, a lot of people are still using the word quack. In other words, this is a quackery, and so on and so forth. And so I use the term real holistic doc with a sense of humor. If a person has questions or doubts about that, I’ll just basically say, “Quack, quack.” I mean, really, take it as it is. If it helps you, great. If it doesn’t, use your own experiences. But the bottom line is, it’s interesting. I’ll leave you in this concept. Holism is everything. Spirits, all mind, body. But duck, even the animal, the duck, it’s a universal animal. It can swim, it can fly, it can walk. Literally, I think it’s a symbol. But getting back to real holistic doc, D-O-C.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

There we are, realholisticdoc.com.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

All right. Well, listen, this has been very enlightening. I very much appreciate your joining us, Sergey,

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Thank you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

And sharing your wisdom and knowledge. They can buy the Shealy-Sorin machine, right?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

On the realholisticdoc.com, or is there a different website for that?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

No, that’s the website. Realholisticdoc, D-O-C, .com. You can also find other things there that we talk about frequently. In other words, regulation of mental and emotional. All sorts of tools, devices, but more so education. It’s gotta start with education, knowledge, power, and then you can choose what’s best for you.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, good. Well then, again, they have a tool that they can use to help sort of balance out the rhythms of the brain, balance out the frequencies of the body, very subtle. And again, because it’s so subtle and safe, you can use it for extended periods of time.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Absolutely.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

It has a rechargeable battery.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yep. And one other final comment is the most grateful patients tend to be the animals, or the dogs on the cats, so to speak, of their owners that have the device. And this is actually quite interesting. But maybe, a topic for another conversation.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Well, no, but expand on that because I think what we found with the PEMF systems that I’ve used is the same thing. And I tell people all the time that when you buy a PEMF system, you don’t own it. The house owns it. The house owns it. Including the dog, the cat, and the plants.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

I made a interesting discovery. We literally just put our 12 year old German Shepherd to sleep, basically just last year. And she was suffering terribly, hip dysplasias. I mean, those kind of creatures, are pretty exposed to that. So she would literally just not be able to get up. I mean, just literally make a mess wherever she is. I mean, she couldn’t walk, poor puppy. One day I plug the device in to charge it, near where the dog was, and I found the dog crawling onto the device. And then, in about an hour later, she got up, and she walked, and she didn’t do that for a number of weeks. That just melted my heart. So after that, I just left the device right there with her. And I’ve heard similar stories from many others. Cats seem to love it even more for some reason, But dogs, all sorts of creatures. And I have a feeling that everything human, everything that’s alive, does share a few things in common. In other words, energy, the frequency, vibration, and animals are a lot less complicated than humans. We have this control center that’s not always our friend, but the animals, if they feel good, they like it. If they don’t feel good, they’ll walk away.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Which program did you find the animals like the most?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

The sweep.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

The sweep. I was gonna get guess that

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

The Shealy sweep.

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yeah. I tried to play with a gamma, but that didn’t seem to, I didn’t do it long enough, and she passed. And if I have another dog, I’ll work with it.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

You’ll raise her with a Shealy sweep?

Sergey Sorin M.D., DABFM

Yes.

William Pawluk, M.D., MSc

Again, thank you very much. Fantastic. And all the blessings to you, and the work that you do.