Grounding – Optimal Health

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another amazing interview with the Naturally Healing from Lyme Summit. I have a dear friend. It turns out that we were in the same high school together. We grew up in the same town. We’ve been sort of colleagues, but I’m not certainly in Dr. Sinatra’s league, by any means, for years now. I wanna introduce Dr. Stephen Sinatra. It turns out that he actually is from and lives, has a residency in Connecticut, like, ground zero for Lyme and has had his own experience, personal experience with Lyme, before it was even kind of, you know, we’re going back 25, 30 years ago, when Lyme really wasn’t on the radar. 

Dr. Sinatra has written probably 20 books. He is a keynote professional speaker and well sought after. He is credentialed up the yin-yang. I took a look at his website. His CV goes on and on with different things that he has done in his lifetime. It’s truly, truly amazing, that you’ve amassed this body of work in such a short time on Earth. 

Dr. Sinatra, welcome to the summit, and give us your special secret sauce. You know, the Lyme patients that are gonna be watching and other practitioners, people that are viewing the summit, they could be someone that’s bedridden and really symptomatic, or someone that’s highly functional trying to just maintain their balance and maintain their strength and their health. And so, being a well-seasoned integrative functional doctor, and for the people that are just tuning in, that means that Dr. Sinatra, even though he’s traditionally trained as an MD and an allopath, he recruits all kinds of different therapies to create an end result, to actually heal and fix the patients. And that’s an unusual quality that’s not well-served by the allopathic MD community. So, Dr. Sinatra, welcome to the summit. Thank you for joining us today.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

It’s good to be here, Robby, and thanks for the kind introduction. You know, it’s amazing, but I went to Albany Medical Center. I graduated medical school in 1972, I did an internship at Albany, and then I came to Connecticut in 1973, and I was doing a residency at St. Francis Hospital, and I trained two years in internal medicine, did about six months Yale New Haven, electives, and at the University of Connecticut, I took electives at UConn as well. And I’ll never forget it. I was a second-year resident, and I don’t even know what Lyme was. But I did this rotation with a rheumatologist called Naomi Rothfield, and she was at the University of Connecticut School of Medicine. 

I was probably in my late 20s as a medical resident, and I was seeing kids with what we were calling juvenile arthritis. In other words, these were kids with swollen knees. They were limping. It was just like, I never saw arthritis in kids before, you know, even when I did my internship in medical school. I mean, this was a new finding, JA in kids! I’ll never forget it. 70-year-olds, 12-year-olds. And we’re in Connecticut, and then all of a sudden, Lyme disease starts to surface, years later. And then I’m thinking, I go, “Oh my God! “What I was seeing in our clinic was really Lyme disease, “but we didn’t know it back then, “so we called it juvenile arthritis!” But it was really Lyme disease. 

Now, this is kind of interesting, because I was living in Connecticut, and I was living in the Hartford area, in the Manchester area, and I practiced medicine in Manchester Memorial Hospital. I was chief of cardiology, director of medical education for 20 years. And you know, I had a lot of people from all over the country lecture. We had even lectures on Lyme disease. But what’s kind of interesting is that I moved to Essex, which is about three or four miles, maybe five miles from Lyme, Connecticut.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

That’s ground zero, Lyme, Connecticut, right?

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

It turns out, now I’m in an epidemic endemic area, right, where it all started. And this is incredible, but about 25 years ago, when I was, 22, 23 years ago, I’m in Essex, I developed a headache. And I gotta tell you, Robby, I’d never had a headache in my entire life. I mean, you know, I had normal blood pressure. I took a lot of supplements. I’m a healthy guy. And all of a sudden, I came down with occipital headaches. This is a headache that’s in the back of the head. We call it occipital headache.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, right back here.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Yeah, and it was bothering me, I have to tell you. My first thought is, “Oh no, “I probably have a brain tumor or something.” That was my first thought, because new-onset headache in an adult is considered a brain tumor until otherwise, you know what I mean? You gotta rule it out. So at that time, I was working with a lot of alternative practitioners. 

I met this medical intuitive, and I just did a session with her, and she said to me, “You have Lyme disease.” I go, “Really?” And then I’m saying, “Wait a minute. “I’m living in an epidemic area.” There was ticks in my yard. I mean, I had cats, I had chows; I had an elkhound at the time; and I’m saying to myself, “Well, could one of my pets bring a tick in,” or whatever. “I mean, sure it could happen.” So basically, I was tested for Lyme, had some tests, and they were equivocal. But you gotta realize, Robby, the tests back then were sort of archaic, you know?

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, of course.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

And like, a lot of tests were either positive or negative or equivocal. It didn’t matter. It was just, for some reason, we didn’t have good testing for Lyme disease back then. And I spoke to doctors in California who were really on top of it and everything and blah, blah, blah. So anyway, this medical intuitive, she said to me, “Look. “Take garlic, and take TOA-free cat’s claw, Samento,” S-A-M-E-N-T-O. And I said, “Sure, I’ll be happy to do that!” And basically, yeah, I was swallowing garlic capsules, I had garlic breath, and I took the TOA-free cat’s claw. I said, “No problem,” you know what I mean? Geez, after about six months, seven, eight months, my headaches were gone.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Just totally gone. I mean, it was like night and day, you know? After about three or fourth months, I said, I think they’re getting better, but after around six months, I knew they were getting better, and from six to nine, it was like they evaporated, they evaporated.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

I haven’t had a headache since! So for some reason, I had occipital headache. I never had the MRI, never had any other test. My laboratory test were sort of equivocal, you know, the Lyme tests, but I didn’t believe much in ’em back then. But my headache went away, and I’m saying to myself, well, did I have Lyme disease? I’m thinking I probably did. I probably did, and basically, this was one of the antidotes, a lot of garlic. And the science behind garlic is that the Lyme parasite doesn’t like garlic, for some reason. It just doesn’t like it. It’s almost like earthing and grounding. 

What I learned about the Lyme parasite is that when it’s in the serum, when it’s in the serum, sometimes people get the Lyme rash, you know, sort of the bullseye rash and stuff like that. When it’s in the serum, the antibiotics that people were taking for Lyme disease back then tended to work because the Lyme parasite was in, it’s in your bloodstream. It’s in the serum. So if you took an antibiotic or an antidote, you know, you could capture the Lyme parasite. But what I learned was that many times, after the bullseye rash leaves and the person is developing a chronic situation, the Lyme parasite, instead of staying in the bloodstream or in your body fluids, it hides from the immune system, and it goes intramuscular. It goes inside your organs, and it hides from the immune system. 

That’s why antibiotics can’t touch it. Nothing touches it, because it’s sort of hidden. And that’s when basically we gotta dial it up a notch. 10 years later, here I am as a board certified cardiologist practicing in Connecticut. Now I’m seeing people with organ disease with Lyme. I’m seeing Lyme carditis, for example, where people presented to me with symptoms of a little bit of chest pain. I had patients with heart failure with Lyme, and basically pericarditis. I had patients with what we call an effusion around the heart where they would leak fluid, and they would develop what we call inflammatory pericarditis. So as a heart specialist, I’m seeing Lyme disease, and now as director of medical education, I’m inviting Lyme experts, because I wanna learn more about it myself.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Of course.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

I had Lyme disease myself. So I’m inviting experts from New York City and Connecticut and all over the place to talk about Lyme disease to the medical staff. But it was still sort of an enigma back then. In other words, there were a lot of experts on Lyme, but there was a lot we didn’t know about it. There was a lot we really didn’t know. And then let’s dial ahead 10 years later. 10 years later, I was involved with the EMF movement, you know, electromagnetic sensitivity, and basically, being involved with that movement, I learned that electrosensitivity or EMF, a lot of these patients had bizarre symptoms. 

I mean, really bizarre symptoms. They would go to a doctor, and they’d have neuroendocrine, or they would have immunologic and GI symptoms, pulmonary. It was like, crazy. You couldn’t go to a doctor with all these different symptoms, because they couldn’t figure it out. And then I realized that if people had EMF, there was another entity called black mold, you know, where people would develop mold-like illnesses, and doctors couldn’t figure that out, you know, unless you saw Dr. Shoemaker. 

He was a really good mold expert. He was way ahead of the curve. But basically, what I learned was that when people were coming to my office with bizarre cardiac symptoms and musculoskeletal symptoms and neuroendocrine symptoms, what I realized was that a lot of these people had a combination of undiagnosed Lyme disease, electrosensitivity, and black mold. 

In other words, they had all three of them! And as a heart specialist, I was overwhelmed, because I would test these people, and I would say, “Oh my God, they have chronic Lyme disease, “but they also have EMF sensitivity,” and now some of these people had black mold. I mean, it was overwhelming, just absolutely overwhelming. And the good doctors were the ones that were like, peeling an onion a layer at a time. They would fix this, and this would get better, and then this would surface, and they would fix this. So Lyme disease for me has been sort of an, and because I experienced it myself and I had it and I knew what it was like, I mean, for me, it was an ongoing experience, and I have a feeling it was placed in my path for a reason, because, you know, as director of medical education and because I had the illness myself, like I said, I was inviting guest lecturers, and then I was seeing the Lyme carditis, the Lyme pericarditis, and it was just something that I was constantly seeing in my office, and then I was seeing these horrific cases. And I gotta tell you, I mean, I saw cases, even, I had a naturopath working in my office, and she committed suicide because she could not find comfort in her whole immune system. She was just, the poor thing was just overwhelmed.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Sadly, sadly, sadly, that’s a common story, through the frustration of just the journey, the unknown, and also all the other sort of social, psychosocial effects, ’cause it affects your family. You exhaust all of your money trying to find a fix for yourself, or at least a way back. You get some results, then you have setbacks. It’s just a real bumpy road, and most everybody listening can appreciate that. You know, forensically, they’re finding Lyme, like in Alzheimer patients, they’re finding Lyme, because the spirochete passes through the blood-brain barrier, and that’s probably maybe what you experienced, like a little Lyme encephalitis or something back here in your occipital that created your headaches. 

And your comments about the combination of mold, how mold affects Lyme, is off the chart and so important, because what we see in our clinic and among the network of doctors, Lyme doctors that we interact with, they say, we can have a functional patient that’s doing fine. Then all of a sudden, boom, they get exposed to mold, and they go from being functional to bedridden almost overnight. 

That’s the impact of that combination. Then when you dial it up by bringing exogenous frequencies like electromagnetic fields or extreme low frequencies like dirty electricity, all that stuff that’s manmade, it’s really an ignitable, horrible combination, and that, well, I guess part of the issue is identifying what is the source of the challenge. So certainly, we can talk about mold and we can talk about Lyme itself, but now, we’re throwing in other things that affect our genetics, like our environment that’s toxic. Like, glyphosates in another one that’s now becoming another stressor that’s affecting our chemistry that’s allowing the pathogens to take habit to the body and really dialing up the symptoms that people are expressing these days.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Absolutely, yeah. And the interesting thing with Lyme disease is that when the parasite hides from the immune system, and it gets inside organs, you mentioned the brain, I’ve seen cases in the heart, I mean, you know, they get inside of muscles, then you can’t touch it. And these people are sick, and basically, I mean, what can you do? But then when I met Clint Ober, you know, 15, 18 years ago, when I learned about earthing and grounding, when the first book came out, Earthing: The Greatest Experience Ever?, with a question mark, and then we came out with the second edition, and we put an exclamation point after it, I heard from a lot of anecdotal cases, I mean, these are anecdotal cases. 

These are people that shared their stories, right, that a lot of these people had Lyme disease, and basically, I heard people lecture, I remember, Jim Oschman gave a lecture on this in Las Vegas, and there was something about earthing and grounding. If you really look at it, Robby, what earthing is, you put your bare foot in Mother Earth, right, and when you walk barefoot, you’re taking in the Schumann resonance. Now, what is the Schumann resonance? Well, a Schumann resonance is what we call the humming of the earth, the “om” of the earth. It’s at 7.83 hertz, although right now, a lot of the scientists think it’s even doubled and tripled, because the consciousness of the planet is getting higher and higher, so to speak. 

But basically, what causes the Schumann resonance? What is this humming of the earth? Well, a lot of it is caused by lightning strikes. When lightning strikes the earth, the earth gets endowed with gazillions and gazillions of electrons. And when I learned about grounding, and I live here in Tampa, Florida, and Tampa is the lighting capital of the USA, when we had lightning storms here, I would immediately go outside. I would smell the ozone, and I would put my bare feet on Mother Earth, and I would take in this Schumann resonance, right, which is very, very healing. Now, what I learned from lectures from people smarter than me, and what I learned from testimonials of patients who were grounding and earthing, was this, was that some people, they would get a Herx reaction from grounding. 

You know what a Herx reaction is, right? In other words, they would get sick. In other words, grounding made them sick! And what I realized was, was that a grounding reaction, the people were getting a Herx reaction because the Lyme parasite does not like the earthing energy, and it comes out into the serum. In other words, it was hiding in blood vessels, it was hiding in organs, but now, for some reason, it didn’t like that, so now it comes out into the serum, and then all of a sudden, the immune system goes, “I got you now!” So now, if a person has a decent immune system, the parasite comes out, the immune system sequesters it, and it neutralizes it. 

So what I learned through the grounding experience was these Herx reactions were really people who were developing an immune reaction by sequestering or neutralizing the Lyme parasite. So we heard from a lot of people who were saying, “My gosh, my Lyme disease, after a few days of being sick, “my Lyme disease got better! “My God, it just got better! “I’m feeling better,” et cetera, et cetera. So that’s how grounding is almost like a miracle antidote to basically inflammation, because remember, it’s inflammation that’s the root cause of any illness, whether it’s heart disease, cancer, Alzheimer’s. It doesn’t matter; it’s inflammation. The Lyme parasite causes enormous inflammation. 

So if you can eliminate the inflammatory response, you know, that’s really key. Now, lemme just tell you one anecdotal story real quick myself. I don’t know if you know this, but I had a hip replacement about 12 years ago. We were both wrestlers at Bethel. We both went through the whole shoulder, hip, all that stuff.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

There’s a price you pray for the immortality when you’re younger, right?

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

And as wrestlers we suffered a lot in our joints, and I’ve had multiple surgeries, et cetera, et cetera, but like, one of the things that bothered me the most from my hip replacement, probably because my right and left leg were maybe about a millimeter off, was that I had developed a lot of arthritis in my ankle. It was bad arthritis, where when I was in New England, in Connecticut, ’cause I live in Florida seven or eight months a year, and I live in Connecticut four or five months a year, when I was in Connecticut, and I wasn’t walking grounded on the beaches, for example, and I was walking on asphalt, even though I was walking on grounding shoes, when you walk on asphalt, that’s not grounded. 

You gotta walk on either concrete, grass, or sand. I was developing more and more intense pain in my right ankle, to the point, Robby, I called my DO, and I said, “Hey, I can’t walk anymore. “I can’t even walk a hundred yards to the coffee shop. “I get really bad pain in my ankle.” So he sends me to another DO, and he does an ultrasound on my ankle, and I got fluid in my ankle joint, and he wants to inject my ankle joint with corticosteroids and stuff, and I go, no, I don’t wanna do that. I mean, I don’t mind injecting my shoulder or my hip, but when it comes to the ankle, that’s really serious weight-bearing, and I don’t wanna get an infection in an ankle joint. And he agreed, he agreed. 

Then I call my orthopedic surgeon just to follow up, and he agreed with the DO, and it’s, oh no, now I got all these doctors really wanting to inject me, and I say, “You know what, I’m going back to Florida. “Lemme try grounding again.” And Robby, I get back to Florida. I hobble to the beach. Now I’m walking on the beach, and I’m walking where the sand meets the tide, so to speak. So the tide is coming in. I’m walking in that tidal water, and it’s like magic, like magic. After about two or three walks in the ocean, I had zero discomfort in my ankle. I mean, I went from like, a 9.5 to a 10 to a half to a one. I mean, it was like, unbelievable.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Whoa.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

And basically, what grounded energy does, it alleviates inflammation, because you’re giving the body electrons. So you know, you’re a vitamin and mineral guy, and so am I. I mean, a lot of people take in electrons, right, through targeted nutritional supplements. That’s how Coenzyme Q10 works. That’s how basically magnesium works. You’re taking in a substance that are electron donors, so to speak, and whenever you have an electron donor, it ties up with a free radical, and it helps to neutralize reactions. But that’s what earthing and grounding does. And so, instead of taking in antioxidants by the mouth, you’re taking it in through the Schumann resonance. 

Now, look, the Schumann resonance is absorbed through the foot. Here’s my foot, right? This is the K1 point. The K1 point is an acupuncture point below the big toe that really intersects through the lumbosacral spine all the way up through the pineal gland. So when you’re working or walking grounded, and you’re touching that K1 point on Mother Earth, it’s going up through your spine, into your brain. So now you’re having an impact on the autonomic nervous system. 

In other words, you’re balancing the hyperactive nervous system. And I’ll tell you, Robby, the greatest research I’ve ever done in my life, and I’ve written 40 to 50 white papers and 20, 25 books, oh my God, I mean, I’ve put my time in. But the best paper I’ve ever written in my life, the best study that I’ve ever done, hands down, was when we showed that earthing and grounding thins the blood by 283%. I mean, we showed that if you ground for a half hour to an hour, your blood becomes, instead of being red ketchup, it turns to red wine. 

Now, why is that point important? Because having red ketchup blood is a source for stagnation, clotting, thrombosis, inflammation, cerebral vascular accident, heart attack, you name it. People believe in the Framingham risk factors, the higher blood sugar, higher blood pressure, higher cholesterol. They don’t thicken the blood. It’s really, red ketchup blood that gives you pathology, because it sticks. You know, I mean, as a heart specialist, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve done angiograms on people with a heart attack that have normal coronary arteries, why? Because the blood’s stuck in the artery, and they get a thrombosis. They get a heart attack, they have muscle damage, and then the heart attack, you know, the thrombosis in the blood vessel gets dissolved by the body over the next couple of weeks. 

We do the angiogram, we see a wall motion abnormality, and we see a normal coronary blood vessel. And we say, “Oh my God, what happened?” Well, I’ll tell you what happened. It was basically the blood got stuck. Everything got re-catalyzed, everything got opened up, but the damage is done. You had a heart attack, you had a heart attack. So basically, what earthing energy does, it not only balances the autonomic nervous system, it thins the blood, it supports heart rate variability, and it does everything right in remediating inflammation. 

That’s why it’s so useful in Lyme disease. And like I said before, when the immune system sees the parasite, it’ll capture it. For some reason, that parasite does not like the earthing energy. It doesn’t like the Schumann resonance, so instead of hiding, it comes out. It’s like a vibrating energy, you know, in the body. That’s why people get Herx reactions, and that’s why people over time improve with earthing and grounding with Lyme disease. So the Sinatra trifecta.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Ah, here it is. Let’s go, let’s go, here it is.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

TOA-free cat’s claw and earthing and grounding. You do those three things, and you’re gonna clear up a lot of pathology, a lot of pathology.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Just repeat that again, ’cause I think we lose one and two. Say it again.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

The first thing is garlic, lots of garlic. You can take it as a supplement or you can crush raw garlic, and when you crush raw garlic, that’s where you get the allicin potential. In other words, you know, Robby in World War II, garlic was Russian penicillin. I mean, garlic not only neutralizes bacteria and viruses, but it takes care of parasites as well. I mean, garlic is amazing, right? 

I mean, it’s incredible. So you use garlic, and again, you can either chew it, crush it, or take garlic capsules. You do TOA-free cat’s claw. In other words, it has to be this TOA-free cat’s claw. It has a remarkable anti-inflammatory effect. This cat’s claw basically, again, helps to neutralize the Lyme parasite. And then earthing and grounding, because remember, if the parasite is hiding from the immune system, you can’t get at it, but if grounding and earthing with the Schumann resonance or what the yogis would call the om, if that Schumann resonance penetrates the body, the Lyme parasite doesn’t like it. It doesn’t like the vibration. So it comes out of the serum, and then the immune system goes, gotcha, gotcha.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Perfect.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

That’s how this whole trifecta works. So, you know, look, you can have a lot of speakers on Lyme disease, and they’re all gonna have the secret sauce, but I look at it this way, Robby: whatever works works. It doesn’t matter whether it’s a traditional therapy, whether it’s an antibiotic, or whether it’s snake oil, or whether it’s grounded energy. Who cares, as long as a patient gets better! That’s the bottom line.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Love that, totally love that. And you know, what you’re describing, Steve, is something that is attainable. Like, these aren’t hundreds of thousands of dollars of therapy. This is something that you can basically buy a homeopathic like Samento or cat’s claw, a good brand, you can get it at a Whole Foods or at a good, you know, natural remedy store that has homeopathics and so forth. 

Grounding is as simple as you said: take your shoes off and hug a palm tree or an oak tree and walk in the sand and spend time doing that. I’m sure you’re probably aware, there’s been some blood studies done by, I think it’s Dietrich Klinghardt’s group up north, Pacific Northwest, and they studied the blood of people in the rural areas and the people in the urban areas. And they saw from microbial, you know, in a microbe’s normal life, parasite or Lyme disease or bacterias, whatever, they basically replicate, they poop, and they use your body resources, right? So they’re perfect organisms. And you can measure the poop. That’s the mycotoxin or the neurotoxin in your blood. 

And when Dietrich did the study, he saw that people in that area, from the rural areas, they had 80 to 90 times more, in the urban areas, the cities, they had 80 to 90 times more microbial mycotoxins in their blood than the people that lived out in the rural areas. So if they’re all drinking the same water, breathing the same air, and eating the same food, really, the biggest differences is the amount of microtowers, the EMF that’s generated in the city. So he postulates that the same energies you’re talking about, these electromagnetic fields, are actually energizing the bugs. That means they’re replicating more, they’re pooping more. So that’s a negative. 

The other side of what you talk about is being grounded. Now, it doesn’t cost a lot of money to be grounded, but we walk on the earth. We wear rubber sole shoes or whatever. We don’t actually touch the earth anymore. And so, there are many things in our modern lives like fluorescent light bulbs and air handlers, like air conditioning and heating handlers, that put out positive charged particles that create an imbalance in our body battery, right? So each of our cells are negative and positive, and when you get grounded, you’re neutral, and I think that’s what scares the Lyme out from the tissues where they’re hidden, or if they’re in that cyst state, like you said, because if you treat the body with an antibiotic, the smart bug, the Lyme, is gonna go burrow in your tissue, and then you go into remission.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

I mean, intramuscular or whatever.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yeah, so the serum, what you just talked about is so important, like, how we get them out of hiding so that your natural immune system can take over. So there’s actually a Lyme doctor that I absolutely love, he’s in Texas, and he uses, now we have way more better testing services than 40 years ago when you first got exposed and so forth. But what he does is he actually gives, if you’re symptomatic and he suspects you have Lyme, rather than going through a Western blot or the real expensive blood tests, he just gives you, he starts microdosing Samento. 

He starts with two tabs, then two days later, four tabs and six tabs, and then at some point, if you get a reaction, like a Herx reaction, which is the die-off, then you have Lyme or Babesio or the co-infections. And so, he actually uses the remedy as a way to test to see whether or not you actually have it, right? So super, super interesting. Amazing what you’re talking about and the effects of just earthing in helping your own body get both balanced electrically and also bring these parasites out and create a better balance in your microbiome inside, all these organisms that should be living in harmony that are causing havoc on your body. Amazing, really amazing.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Yeah, and you know, Robby, you mentioned before, you know, I’ve written a lot of books, I’ve written a lot of papers, but when I discovered the incredible healing capabilities of earthing and grounding, I mean, I incorporated it into my daily life. I don’t know if you know this story, but I moved to the seashore. I’m in a condominium right now. I’m in a ground-floor condominium. It’s five stories, right? And basically, when it was being built, I sold my house, and I wanted to come back to the seashore, ’cause I wanted to ground every morning. 

I walk the beach every morning, ’cause it’s only about 100 to 200 yards, and I’m walking in the tide, right? But I gotta tell you, I called up Clint Ober, and I hooked him up with the engineers that were building this five-story condominium complex. And I asked the engineer if he would talk to Clint Ober, ’cause I wanted to ground my bathroom. And basically, since I’m at a ground-floor level, the garage is below us where the people park their cars. But basically, in my bathroom, which is, it’s all marble. It’s not manmade, it’s earth rock.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, earth element.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Yeah, it’s earth elements, and basically, there’s no what we call tar or any manmade materials between the concrete and the ceiling, and they took out what they call the insulation.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right, of course.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Out of my bathroom, because the insulation wouldn’t allow the grounded energy to come up from the concrete or the steel girders that conduct it, right? So the head engineer of the building project says, “Look, you might hear the cars downstairs.” I said, “I could care less! “I just wanna be grounded in my bathroom!” He says, “Okay, doc, I’ll do whatever you say, “but don’t come to me if you hear noise.” I go, “I won’t come to you.” So he’s talking to Clint Ober. 

My bathroom gets grounded. When it’s all done, I move in, I test it with the red light, green light. You know, Clint has this gadget where you can walk from ungrounded to grounded in your home or outside, or your shoes, for that matter, and if you’re grounded, it’ll be a green light, and if you’re not grounded, it’s red light. Well, my bathroom’s a green light. I’m grounded.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Fantastic.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Now, Robby, I mean, I’m 75 years old. Lots of times, I’d wake up with cramps in my thighs and stuff like that, and I’d hobble to the bathroom. As soon as I hit that grounded energy, poof, I get relief. In other words, it goes back to inflammation. Inflammation causes everything, whether it’s high blood pressure, whether it’s muscle cramps, GI distress, you name it. When we get inflammation, the autonomic nervous system goes into overload. It sort of overloads the parasympathetic nervous system, because you could be uncomfortable. It could be anything. Cortisol goes out of whack, hormones go out of whack. But once you put both of your feet on Mother Earth, everything neutralizes! Everything comes back into balance. We call it homeostasis. That’s the magic of grounding. 

So basically, you know, I did all the research, and I did a lot of papers on grounding. I did a lot of individual research. I helped other doctors with research. I ended up moving my house, I ended up moving to the beach, and I incorporate grounding every day in my entire life. I sleep grounded, I walk grounded daily, and basically, it’s something that, like I said, my bathroom is grounded. So it’s something that, lemme say it this way. We all brush our teeth at night, right?

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Yep.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

We all need to ground. Grounding is free. Grounding is the greatest thing anybody can do to get their life back.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Fantastic.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Whether you’re suffering from Lyme disease, or even the COVID-19. Some of these Iranian researchers, this is in the Iranian literature. In fact, my new grounding book, which is coming out in about three or four months, we took this literature from Iran. These were people who had COVID-19 who had pneumonia, Robby, who, this researcher was putting earthing patches over the person’s lung, grounding the patch so they were getting grounded energy into their chest, and he was demonstrating that these people were getting better, just with grounded energy. Amazing, you know what I mean?

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Totally.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

So there’s something special about earthing and grounding. And look, the Tour de France guys did it, you know what I mean? You know, the Tour de France, these guys were falling on their bicycles. They were getting scraped, they were getting bruises, they were getting horrific injuries, and they were grounding at night, putting patches on their injuries, and within 24 hours, they were having a 50 to 75% improvement. So, you know that movie, There’s Something Special About Mary? Remember that movie? There’s Something Unusual About Mary? There’s something special about grounding.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Fantastic.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Very special about grounding, and I just want your audience to be privy to it. It’s free. It’s the greatest research I’ve ever done in my life, and I’ll tell you, I incorporate it into my everyday life because it’ll keep you young, and if you’re suffering from Lyme disease, it’s just, it’s easy, it’s free, and a lot of people, and I mean a lot of people, have gotten better with earthing and grounding. And if you use the Sinatra trifecta, Samento and garlic as well, sure, do it. Let’s do it. And by the way, I also agree, you know, if people have Lyme disease, they gotta cut back on sugars. They gotta cut back on carbs. More fat is better, more healthy protein is better. 

I mean, that’s sort of a given, you know? More fruits and vegetables is better. More omega-3’s are better. In other words, you don’t wanna feed a parasite, or you don’t wanna feed the inflammatory response with sugar. Let’s face it, I mean, sugar is a disaster today. Even in our country, we got 100 million diabetics in this country. Whether they’re type 2 or type 1 or insulin resistant, it doesn’t matter. 

Once you got elevated blood sugars, longevity gets impacted. You know, the average diabetic doesn’t live as long as a person with a normal blood sugar. So this is important. And remember, with COVID-19, what’s the single worst comorbidity? Diabetes, and overweight status. Those two comorbidities are the worst comorbidities where people get complications from COVID-19. So anyway, that’s my tip: ground, ground, ground.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Steve, you’ve offered us so many great pearls in our discussion today. Thank you so much for spending time with us. Well, first off, how do people, you know, you have a website, healthydirections.com. Yeah, what are the best ways for people? And then tell us about the book. Like, it’s coming out 2022, so that’s a must-read for sure. So tell me, tell people, how do people get ahold of you these days?

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Oh, it’s simple. I mean, the book will be out probably in March or April, and again, I just have to emphasize, grounding is free, folks. I mean, it’s something like brushing your teeth. You gotta put grounding into your life every day. And then, you know I’m into healthy foods. I mean, I created Vervana. In fact, we created pasta sauces from Sicily and stuff like that, all-organic tomatoes, no BPA, in glass, no preservatives, no sugars, or minimal. I’m talking about minimal sugars, minimal salt, you know, things like that where people can get really healthy. There was an article that came out of the medical literature only a year ago about capsaicin reducing stroke and heart attack. 

As soon as I read that article, I said, you know what, an arrabbiata sauce, which is made with hot pepper, if you can reduce heart attack and stroke by eating hot pepper, I mean, why not take it in an arrabbiata sauce? That’s why I created this, you know? In other words, what I like to do is I like to take my experience as a cardiologist, dovetail it with the medical literature, ’cause you want proven theories, right? You want double-blind, controlled studies that make your argument more persuasive. 

You need that information. And basically, I like foods that heal, I really do. Foods that heal are just awesome, you know? Even dark chocolate. I have this dark chocolate at Vervana. I got this organic chocolate from Africa, ’cause they don’t spray their chocolate bushes or the little trees in Africa. I’ve got a 73% dark chocolate, and dark chocolate’s amazing, because there’s a lot of literature how it lowers blood pressure and stuff like that. I mean, it’s just, the polyphenols in dark chocolate are a little bit exciting. It’s like astaxanthin, for example. That’s found in seaweeds and stuff like that. I mean, it’s just, there’s so many darn simple cures out there, Robby, you know what I mean, whether it’s dark chocolate or astaxanthin or Coenzyme Q10. I mean, the public needs to be privy to this information, because you don’t wanna get sick and have a heart attack. Like, just don’t get sick. Be your own doctor. That’s what I tell people.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, from one of the most smartest people I know in the world, Dr. Stephen Sinatra, and now I can clearly say the most grounded person that I know in the world, Dr. Stephen Sinatra, you gave us such amazing. I treated myself to one of your gift baskets from your company Vervana, and I can’t believe you didn’t even mention your collection of olive oils, which, I’ve had the pleasure of doing olive oil shots with Dr. Steve Sinatra at one of the trade shows we were at together. You’ve got a lineup that’s amazing olive oils. So the idea that you’re using your skillsets, your knowledge, just from the medical side, to integrate that into the food company and resources that you put together, well, Hippocrates says food is your medicine, but I don’t think that the food of Hippocrates’s day is the food of today. 

The food sources you’re offering are from the Mediterranean, which, the Mediterranean diet, there’s the blue zone there where people live the longest and live the healthiest, and you know the stats better than anyone. So I just, first of all, I love you and your family, extended family, on and on, and I just love the message that you leave and you bring to the world. Today was monumental, simple, monumental, just to grab the earth and get earth-charged, to balance our body charge, and to bring the Lyme out from wherever it’s hiding and let your natural immune system work the way it’s designed to work is incredible information, and I love you for sharing it with us today.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Robby, you made a really good point, and thanks for that nice, pleasant accolade as well. But I had this little aha moment when we were talking, meaning that I had this little buzz in my body. My spiritual friends would tell me it’s correct, you know? You mentioned olive oil, and olive oil is the secret sauce of the Mediterranean, basically. I mean, there are more 100-year-old people in the Mediterranean basin than there are in the entire world, whether you’re from Libya or Spain or Portugal. Portugal, Italy, and Spain right now have surpassed Okinawa as the best countries for longevity in the world. The average person from Spain lives eight years longer than the average American, eight years longer. 

Now think about that. That’s incredible, despite our technology. So there’s more 100-year-old-plus people in the Mediterranean basin. Now, the aha I got, here we are talking about Lyme disease, right? Well, I just got this incredible insight, and you sparked it. There was a paper that came out in Medical Genomics about a decade ago showing that olive oil takes pro-inflammatory genes that we all have, and it can reverse it back to a non-inflammatory state. Now, since we’re talking about Lyme disease, what happens with Lyme disease is that the inflammation index in our body goes on fire. In other words, our inflammatory index goes crazy, right? So if you take olive oil, what you’re doing is you’re toning down the inflammatory index, ’cause you’re taking those pro-inflammatory genetics, and you’re reversing ’em back to a non-inflammatory state. So I just got this incredible insight that maybe olive oil is another remedy for Lyme disease, by toning down the inflammatory index.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

So wait a minute, where do you go after a trifecta? What’s after a trifecta? If we add one more thing onto it, is that a perfector?

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

It’s called a super-fecta, four. 

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Fantastic.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

So garlic, cat’s claw, grounding, and extra virgin olive oil. That’s the Sinatra solution for Lyme disease.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Fantastic. Steve, thank you so much for today. Amazing.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Thanks for bringing it up. You just empowered me with that olive oil and Lyme. I never saw the connection until now.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Well, there we go. I guess we got another book to write after grounding, right?

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

All right, Robby, that was great.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Thank you so much for joining us today, Steve. You’re amazing. Don’t miss this interview with Dr. Sinatra. It’s off the charts, fantastic. We appreciate you and everything you’re doing and all the love that you bring to the world. You really make a difference. So thank you for enriching our lives, Steve, and certainly everything you do for the community at large. Appreciate you, thanks for your time.

Stephen Sinatra, M.D.

Thank you, Robby, thanks so much.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner. Thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with everyone that you think might benefit from it, and we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.