Instill Hope and Will to Get Better

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner and we’re back with another exciting episode in our Lyme series. Today’s episode is incredible. I have an epic practitioner, and a colleague, dear friend, we’ve known each other, oh, I don’t know, a year or two or so, but we’re connected at the hip because we are like-minded thinkers. And we have a dear friend that put us together, Gaby Piccirilli. And she’s also part of the Lyme series and has done an incredible job in teaching us about reflexology and some of the things that she believes in in her own practice. So with that, I want to bring Dr. Dr. Anthony Giallonardo to the stage, to the Healthy Hotline. Dr. Anthony is super amazing. He’s a chiropractor by trade, but way deeper than that, extraordinary individual. He’s a well thought out guy, very spiritually guided guy. And he actually is sort of like a integrative functional approach to the way he looks at the world. 

And so, that means he’s looking at nutrition, he’s looking at natural health, he’s looking at your physical structure, but he connects it all through the structural disciplines as a chiropractor. And even though he will work with you virtually, coach you, and give you some guidance, he’s really a guy about hands-on. He’s located in Canada, in Niagara Falls, a really beautiful area of the country. And if anybody that’s been up there can feel the energy, can feel nature. And actually, I always say that Niagara Falls in that areas where God dropped a shoe because it’s really spectacular. 

So with that, let’s bring Dr. Anthony to the forefront. Thank you, Dr. Anthony for joining us. And why don’t you give us just a little bit of a backdrop on kind of the things, I know that you’re more than three decades in and your applications of the things that you’ve been doing in the healthcare. And so, give us a little backdrop as to the things that you’ve experienced or your feelings about in your practice, maybe a little bit about kind of how you’ve seen Lyme weave in and out of your practice and your own personal experiences. And then tell us about a little bit about what you’re focusing on today that you feel is so important and the game-changing techniques that you bring to your practice, if you would.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Absolutely, thank you, Robby, it’s such a pleasure. Yours and my pathways, somehow we met through our dear friend Gabby, who’s an amazing healer. She’s really special obviously. I got to work with Gabby through her treating me, we were like-minded thinkers as well. And from mutual patients of Gaby and mine down in South Florida, I was turned on to you. And I had no idea about your experience with Lyme, especially with the amazing products you have, which I use daily as well as my children as well, so and my patients. So, what happened to me was 12 years ago, I actually was diagnosed with Lyme myself. We live in a hot bed of ticks here in the southern Ontario region. And one dark, gloomy weekend in October of 2007, I just came down with a flu-like symptoms, sort of weird, anomaly weird things that just never went away. 

And being on the spiritual path that I was on all my life, it was like the lights went out to immediately. And when someone is on that path and this sort of thing happens, you take away your spirituality. Really it’s not a good thing, there were some really dark days. And what happened was nobody around here at the time really knew much about Lyme disease. And me as a chiropractor had heard of the odd person and but really nobody really knew about it so I had to do a lot of searching myself and I hooked up with Dr. Jeffrey Morrison down in Manhattan, The Morrison Center, who was actually a pioneer as well. He actually learned from Dr. Burrascano, who was a Lyme pioneer, put his license on the line, his life on the line. So, Jeffrey and I became good friends. I was flying back and forth to New York. 

He diagnosed me within two weeks because I knew something wasn’t right and nobody around here knew anything. So, I was being a chiropractor and knowing a lot about integrative medicine, I saw a lot of things that he did to me that helped and then from there everything just expanded. It took a long time for me to get better. When I say a long time, I’m gonna say probably three years until I finally felt I got my life back. And through that journey, it was I found it was a blessing ’cause I met so many incredible healers, I traveled all over the world to find answers including South America, Europe, all over the United States to find answers both Western medical model as well as Eastern philosophy as well, and the two of them helped me get better. And now what I use in my practice, there’s a whole mishmash of things that I brought in that actually got me better. So, anything I do in my office I’ve done before. 

And some things don’t work on their own as a panacea, but in combination therapy, which is what we use, this is how we get people better. Being a chiropractor, I love touching people, I am a hands-on guy. And, you know, when you touch somebody, it’s all about frequency. You’re changing people’s frequencies when you do an adjustment, whether it’s manipulation or soft tissue, you’re turning on that brain-body connection where there’s interference. And with Lyme, as you know, it hits you on every level, which is really why they don’t even call it Lyme disease anymore, it’s called Lyme complex because it’s so complex with all the different bacteria and co-infections that hit you. So, that’s basically my story. It’s interesting because when I was at my darkest, deepest moments, a friend of mine from Italy who lived in Venezuela, turned me on to actually a medicine man down there who was a medical doctor that was full of cancer and the Indigenous Indians healed him 30 days prior. 

And I was turned on to a bunch of high energy teas from the rainforest that when put together with acupuncture, meridian cycles, and certain times of the orrery cycle, he was getting people better. I mean, had I not seen this for myself, people with end-stage liver cancer getting better, HIV being totally knocked out, I would have never believed it. But I knew the power of nature by seeing this of a powerful healer of getting people’s spiritual side reawakened and knowing their true connection. It just, a light turned on that I knew I always had, but I knew okay, I’m gonna start incorporating these types of things into my office. So, if I can go fast forward now. I started having a lot more patients coming to me with crazier symptoms that couldn’t be explained by the traditional medical model here or medical community because I was probably one of the first guys around here that was diagnosed, and so I learned the hard way. 

So, as these people started coming to me, I, “First thing, do you remember getting bit?” Nine times out of 10, “No, I don’t.” Because as you know, most people with Lyme disease don’t really remember getting a tick bite. So, I started bringing in some therapies into my office. The first one that probably made a difference for me was some Rife therapy. And for anyone that doesn’t know who Rife was, Dr. Rife was an MD in the United States many years ago who was using frequencies to kill bacteria through light and through sound waves. And that was a game changer for me, so I incorporated two types of Rife machines into my office using radio and audio waves as well as other types of frequencies. And with Rife, he basically uses your fat and your blood as a conductor because Lyme hits you in such a deep neurological level that radio waves and audio waves can be sent to your body and it’s almost like kills like, and these frequencies can lock into your bacteria viruses and sort of canceled their fat effects. 

So, we bought it, we brought that into the office. And what we found too is so many people that were not feeling well were hit we’re maybe giving some doxycycline and other pharmaceuticals, and it was just tearing their guts apart. Their immune system was getting worse. So we started to build up sort of before we could tear down. And by building up I mean really checking their gut, incorporating nutraceuticals, homeopathics to open up pathways of drainage for liver, for kidneys, for lungs where people just couldn’t get rid of toxins properly. So, we started to incorporate that sort of scenario here as well where we offered these types of therapies. And then we started to bring in things like ozone and hyperbaric oxygen. We love that one-two combination here because hyperbaric we put them in the chamber first, we then because it’s high concentrations of oxygen, which actually will push into tissue and expel toxins back into the bloodstream, including viruses and bacteria. We then follow that up with some ozone therapy, which increases stimulation of interleukin-2, interleukin-6, T-cell activation. It breaks up a lot of biofilms so that anything hiding can come out and be killed. 

And ozone is really, as you know Robby is this oxygen with an extra… Or O2 with an extra oxygen molecule. And because you can’t patent it, it’s pretty cheap and highly effective. I was finding that people were going to, let’s say, Germany for Lyme therapy, Mexico, South Florida, coming back and they couldn’t find these types of therapies I mean up in Canada. So, a lot of their places of getting better would say, “Okay, find a place where at least you could do two or three of these treatments,” that we incorporated it. And so, that’s what we started to do here. And we also do colon hydrotherapy because for Lyme patients, as you know, your large intestine, small intestine, and stomach are really just really overtaken by pathogens so people don’t absorb nutrients properly, a lot of bad bacteria takeover. 

So, we incorporate a lot of colon hydrotherapy, which colonics for short, clean out the large intestine, increases stimulation or modulation of the immune system as well. We also do a lot of PEMF or Tesla therapy, which helps the cell wall allow sodium and potassium ion exchange to improve. So, you get rid of toxins better out of your cells and increase nutrients better. And one thing I love lately, which what we’ve been using, and I’m not sure if you’re familiar with it is called Waveforce. And Waveforce is we do that now, we have little Waveforce units that we apply, which is light technology and amazing as well. 

It’s just it turns on, it activates the Krebs cycle again too because with Lyme patients your Krebs cycle is really turned off as well and that’s where ATP production happens. So people with Lyme, as you know, just come in with a gas tank on empty all the time. So, we use Waveforce as well. So, it’s a combination of things, and we find that certain combinations work better for certain people. It’s not a recipe, but it’s so tailor made to that individual for what they’ve gone through. And one of the things being a Lyme patient myself, who was suffering in the past is you have to have compassion for these people because nobody understands a Lyme patient unless they’ve gone through it because the biggest thing for Lyme people is that drives them crazy is, “But you look so healthy.”

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Right?

Robby Besner PSc.D.

That’s true. You know, I gotta jump in because you’ve just said so much that’s so important for people to know. So, for all of you guys that just tuned in, we’re talking to Dr. Anthony, who is a super special healer in Niagara, on the Canada side. I guess Niagara Falls on the Canada side, Ontario side. He talked to us about Rife, Rife frequencies, and basically the frequencies. For all of you guys that don’t know about Rife, Royal Rife was on the back of Einstein’s studies where he basically made very broad brushstrokes that all living beings and everything in nature has a frequency associated to it. So, Rife decided to make his body of work or his passion to define what all those frequencies are. And so, from that came this whole technology called Rife technology, which most of you guys may have heard of, but how it works is kind of like Bose noise canceling. 

Meaning you have a frequency of a Lyme or co-infection like Bartonella. And then you bring, once you identify that and where it is, then you bring the sort of the isomer or the complete opposite frequency, like the positive and negative. And then when they come together, it’s to the body it cancels it out. So, like noise canceling, there’s that white noise, it cancels out so all you hear are the true harmonics. And that’s kind of what’s happening, your body rises above the influences of the frequencies of these organisms that are causing havoc inside of you. So, it’s a super effective therapy and it can be used in many applications. So, it’s so brilliant that you found that. And also that you’ve had your own journey with Lyme, and so you kinda know it firsthand. 

And as a practitioner, having that insight is very different than the Lyme-literate doctors out there that go for a weekend course, get a couple of CEUs and come out and say, “I’m a Lyme-literate doctor.” So, having that compassion, like you mentioned, and just having the sensitivity that you have to listen. And this is a big lesson for all of you out there because if you hooked up with a doctor and he says that, “You’re crazy, go see a shrink, or that, “You know, there’s nothing physically wrong with you,” and you know that there is, you’re going to the wrong doctor. Find someone that will listen to you because the best doctor on the planet, as good as Dr. Anthony is and as good as I am as a coach and the things that we do here at Therasage, the best doctor is the doctor inside of you, that intuitive voice inside of you. So, it’s pretty cool.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

That’s true.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

I am familiar with everything you talked about, colonics, PEMF, the oxygen therapy is so important for people to know because basically these microorganisms, they don’t like oxygen. And what I found really effective besides the infrared technology that we developed is to kind of hit the smart bug with nature. You know, like they’re not alarmed when they feel sunlight, or they feel heat, or they feel oxygen because these are components and elements of our bodies.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yes.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

But they are, but we can catch them with sort of their pants down in a sense when we dial up the oxygen concentration because as an anaerobe, they don’t like oxygen, there’s actually a die off that can happen naturally from that.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Right.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And so, so you can come in through the front door, just say, “Hey, I’m Mr. Oxygen, Mr. Ozone,” like you pointed out an extra O. And then as you dial that up a little bit, now it goes from, “Hey, you know, I was okay, or feeling comfortable inside of you, now I’m not so comfortable.” So, like everything in life, these organisms have a lifespan. And if you don’t make a perfect storm or environment inside of you for the host to be a host for these different kinds of microorganisms, they either die off or they go away, they don’t continue to replicate and so forth. My mother always taught me at a young age, she said, “Son, I love you, but I’m not gonna make my house so comfortable so that after college you decide to come back and live with me, I want you to move on with your life.” You know?

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

So, let’s change our internal environment so we’re not such a perfect host for all of these bad boys as I call them.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

And just to add to your point, Robby, if I may, what we try not to do with our patients, and unfortunately, a lot of Lyme patients read on the internet that if you’re having a Herxheimer reaction, which means a die off reaction of bacteria and neurotoxins, that you feel so sick that if you’re not getting that then it’s not working. We try to avoid that because some of these patients are coming in like 15 rounds with Muhammad Ali and the last thing we wanna do is boom and knock them out. So, we try to gently encourage them that these are slow systems that sometimes less is more. And we try to get the pathways open slowly and just oxygenate them instead of going for that kill. Because most patients with Lyme just say, “I’ll do anything to get better, please help me whatever it takes,” but they have to know that time helps and patience. So, that’s one thing we try not to do is overburden their bodies with too much of a good thing. I’m sure you can add to that.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Wow, that’s… Yeah, that’s so awesome. And unfortunately, I see more of the other approach. Lyme is the enemy, we’ve gotta kill the enemy. And then it’s almost like, I don’t know, I don’t think it’s an ego thing necessarily, but you go to your practitioner, your Lyme-literate doctor, and they wanna prove to you that they know what they’re doing so they’d give you some kind of a protocol. And what they say, and I agree with you completely and we take the same approach you do, that none of our patients should ever hurt ’cause that’s a detox response. There, the patient is already coming in toxic because of the burden because they’re symptomatic essentially and as symptoms. So, being symptomatic is either one of two things that you’re either toxic and/or you’re inflamed because you’re toxic, but inflammation and toxicity travel together. 

And so, you know, if you can lower your toxic burden, and this is what we think is the sort of the slow and steady approach to this would be to first do a detox protocol, lower the burden so that when you start to kind of introduce ideas that might start to lower the amount of population, or there create a little die off, you’re not throwing fuel on a fire, what you’re doing is you’re just adding a little bit more toxic burden, but because it’s a lower threshold, they won’t have that Herx reaction or an adverse reaction. You should never really ever have that Herx reaction if you just do a little bit of planning. Sometimes you can’t avoid it, but for the most part if they’re coming to you, there’s two parts to this. One is because most people with chronic Lyme are sick of being sick. So, when they get to you and they hear out there that you’re a doctor that fixes people as you are, they will come to you and then they just want something that’s gonna make them feel better almost overnight. 

And the best thing I could ever do is to suggest to a patient and a customer that it probably took a few years, sometimes many years to get symptomatic and this isn’t gonna go away overnight. But okay. I guess another analogy is like climbing a mountain, the toxic mountain. Som you do it one step at a time when you come down the mountain, it’s really hard to fall up a mountain when you’re climbing, right? It’s pretty easy to fall down a mountain if you take big, giant steps. And so, that’s the analogy about sort of going low and slow on the detox and on introducing protocols and not sort of take the lazy approach that many doctors do. And then just say to the patient, “Well, you’re gonna know that this protocol is working because you’re gonna feel like crap.” Pardon my language.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

That’s true.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And I think that’s sort of a lazy way of not preparing the patient, you know, with a detox protocol first so they don’t have to feel that way before.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And so, I so appreciate what you’re saying and I’m so appreciate, I love the fact that you brought it up because everybody out there should know that there is a way to do this that’s gentle so you have kind of a soft landing, and that you have a good experience and you get healthier and stronger every day. And like you mentioned, oxygen therapy, you know, to stimulate the Krebs cycle and get the other thing I really like is infrared frequencies because they generate nitric oxide, and that also triggers your blood to grab more oxygen, so a great combination. Like out there in the new language, it’s called the stack. So, the new stack-

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

is nitric oxide either through light or through supplement, and oxygen therapy that gets more oxygen into the blood. And then again, that takes the sneaky approach to going after these anaerobes. And we’re just gonna slow them down and keep putting enough speed bumps in the road, they’re not going to be happy and they’re gonna wanna go away, but we’re hitting them with natural events. And, you know, you’ve been following all these different multi-disciplines, I think it’s really wonderful what you’re telling us today.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah, and if I can add to that too. I mean, everything I brought in was a game changer for me. And I do not want to set aside really your sauna system was another game-changer for me personally. And what I’ve done now is I am ordering them for my Lyme patients. They, a bunch of them are using them. What I love about it, and I asked you, I said, “Robby, what’s going on? My towel smells of ammonia.” And you had mentioned to me that those were environmental toxins. And I used to live about 20 minutes from here in a small town called Niagara-on-the-Lake, and it’s known as wine country. And literally in my backyard, I was up on an escarpment, we could look down and see vineyards. And once in a while, I would see in the distance that they would spray these grapes. And these guys were like in hazmat suits, and I’m thinking that can’t be good.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Right.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

So, I actually, when I was diagnosed with Lyme out there, I actually sold my house and I moved. I said that those chemicals must have made way, and I’m not, I’m just using that as an example. But the Therasage 360 Sauna, I’m gonna say for the first six to seven months, I was getting an ammonia smell to my towel, my soaked towel. And I actually, at one point re I would ring the towel and I would put it like in a jar and I would smell it and my wife said, “Oh my God, that’s coming out of you?” And so, it was another way of hitting another deep layer of bringing it all out, and a huge game changer. So, I started ordering these for my patients as well. And they’ve loved it so far for every scientific reason, including the Nazi nitric oxide. Just amazing, yeah. Just I wanted to share that.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Awesome. Thank you, I’m glad that you’re seeing the benefit. Way back in the beginning of our discussion you talked about colonics, which is a great diagnostic and also a tool to sort of help open up detox pathways ’cause the lower intestine, the large intestine is principally responsible for a lot of hydration of the body, and also bringing in nutrients. It’s like the last chain of digestion, you know, that we go through. And so, if those like the lining of your large intestine is all is coated with carcinogenic things or environmental chemicals and so forth then besides the potential of there being cancer and things like that forming, the organ itself can’t function properly, which means you’re malnutrition, you know, you have malnutrition because of that.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

So, you could be eating well, but you’re not truly digesting the food. The thing that really resonated with me, the real take home that I feel from discussion today has to do with many of the different kinds of techniques that you brought into your practice, but that you identified that everybody expresses Lyme and their symptoms on an individual basis. And so, what you’ve created is an amazing toolbox, PEMF, Tesla energy lights, and yeah, light generators, the Waveforce I know very well. And using the Rife machines is super great. Sauna, I mean-

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

all these things together are an amazing array of solutions. But the combination-

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yes.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

like the order that you do it in and how much you dose it is sort of the art form. And that’s why-

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

True.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

someone like yourself, that’s so intuitive in your practice and from your own life experience really makes a difference in understanding. And that’s the difference between having kind of an okay result or having a grand slam, you know, knock the ball out of the park result.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And that’s why people need to know you, Dr. Anthony, because you take the extra step, you’re an active listener, you’re an empath and an intuitive healer, but you have this journey that you’ve been on yourself. You’ve got an amazing combination of the collective integrated functional approaches to healing.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And, you know, like yourself, you practice like me, I mean, you practice on yourself like I do on myself. So, if it doesn’t work for me, it isn’t getting outside the door.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

That’s my motto.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And so, I think that’s super cool. I don’t know if there’s much more to talk about today ’cause you’ve covered so much ground, so we only have a few more minutes. And I was hoping if you left something out, is there a few more things that maybe you need to tell us before we-

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

have to go for today?

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

And yeah, and the last thing too is because we are all individuals, as you know, being intuitive yourself, certain techniques or certain modalities may not work for someone just even based on their personality. So, again you don’t wanna hit the home run all at once with someone who’s really been through the ringer and really is on their… At their last, you know, end of the rope. But what I would like to say is that tailor-made modalities are really the key. And I just can’t express enough that people with Lyme, I never thought I would get better, and I did. I mean, I’m really, really healthier than I’ve ever been. It took time, it took a lot of soul searching, and my connection with the divine, but you will get better and you just have to stick with it.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

That’s awesome. You know, I with Julia, I always said to her, “You know, I don’t want you to be…” She got sick at a young age, in her early teens with chronic and Lyme. And I said, “I don’t really want you to be defined by your diagnosis.” Sometimes young kids in adolescence, they can hide behind it. They just kind of slack off at school, or they slack off with their chores because they just say, “Yeah, I don’t feel well, I have Lyme,” and everybody feels bad for them, and they get to get kind of the attention, the negative attention through that activity. And I said, “You know, how about if we sit down together and come up with a better definition of healthcare or health being healthy? And so, how about if I said to you, you know, Lyme could turn out to be just like malaria, like hepatitis, like many of these things like shingles that we just have this little virus in us, so we have this little parasite that lives inside of us, but it’s in balance, it’s not out of balance, that’s why you’re symptomatic. 

Let’s say it’s just there and you have it, and so you figured out the lifestyle things you need to do to be healthy, the kinds of foods you need to do, the kinds of meditation and emotional, you know, the de-stressors that you need to do in order to maintain a good health in the sense or a good posture. So, what if the new definition of being healthy is that you live symptom free, so you’ve figured out what you need to do to live symptom free and you live purposefully, whatever that means, that could be contribution to your church, or to your family, or to your school, or things like that. Or it could be just finding your bliss, or your hobby, or your purpose per se, and just following that lead and then offering that contribution. So, what if it’s just about contribution and being symptom free? The rest of it is really just a label because if you never really have a symptom or you don’t really aren’t symptomatic, then who cares what the label is? We all have different labels on us at different times.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Yeah.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

And so, you figured that out, right? ‘Cause you’re living symptom free, the healthiest you, as you say, you’ve ever been, and clearly you are in your place of, you’re in your zone, you’re in your bliss.” And for that reason, we just loved having you here today, Dr. Anthony, you’re amazing. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for your helpful tips and giving us a real inspiration because you are the guy that talks the talks and walks the walks, and we admire everything that you’ve done and really look up to you. Appreciate you.

Anthony Giallonardo, C.C.W.P.

Thank you, and you’re an inspiration to me as well. Thank you.

Robby Besner PSc.D.

Hey everybody, it’s Robby Besner. Thanks so much for joining us today. Please share this content with anyone that you think might benefit from it. And we’re looking forward to having you with us tomorrow for another great interview.