How Bioenergetics Can Restore Your Energy for Life

Harry Massey

Hi Laura. I’m really, really excited to be here. So yeah, thank you.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

I am too. And I’m really excited to introduce you to this audience because you quite literally have made a huge impact in the world. And it really all started with your remarkable story of overcoming chronic fatigue syndrome. It was actually so severe that you were house ridden and even bedridden, for seven years during your twenties, during the time that should have been your peak years. And you had a really long road to recovery. But once you discovered something called bioenergetics, which you’re gonna talk about today, you were able to really overcome your illness and you went on to become the CEO of NES health, and really you’re dedicated to helping people restore their health and energy. 

So here’s why it’s so important that you’re on this summit and that you’re talking to our audience because you’ve created an entire system for measuring the body’s energy field, and then you correct it, so that people can achieve optimal health and energy. And we’re gonna talk about that process. We’re gonna talk about what you do today. Now I’ve heard you say, that you have a mission to help billions of people, that’s billions with a B. And when I think about that, it means your vision is so big that it goes way beyond your company. And it takes a community of thousands of practitioners and patients to get the word of bioenergetics out. So this is really a global impact vision. And we’re gonna talk all about it today. So first, can you start off by telling us your story? Tell us about that time in your twenties and what happened. How did you even get to where you’re at today?

Harry Massey

Sure. You know, I’ll, I’ll take I’ll so I’m 47 now. And I’ll just take us back to when I, when I was 20. So when I was at 20, I was at university. I absolutely loved, what I still love today, climbing. And I’ve climbed 4,000 meter overhanging faces in the French Alps. I free climbed without ropes, a hundred feet above the ocean with waves crashing into the cliff below. But when I was 21, I had these free climbing trips that ended up with me being bedridden for the next seven years. Now on this first trip, I went ice climbing on Ben Nevis in Scotland. And ice climbing is much more delicate than rock climbing. And sometimes you can come across patches that are extremely brittle whereby you teeter, teeter, teeter up as delicate as you can. I’m a few hundred meters up, up, up Ben Nevis, I place my ice pick carefully, make my move, the ice shatters. And the next thing I realize I’m falling backwards, tumbling onto the slope below. Now, fortunately, I managed to get my ice pick into this steep snow slope, snow slope arresting my fall. 

And although I was in pain, it didn’t really seem like anything was broken. So I go home, have a whiskey. I say, go home, I went to a pub in Scotland and it wasn’t for another year when I went and I went for an x-ray after a paragliding accident. And I was told I’d fractured my spine during that fall. But I hadn’t stopped climbing. And before I even found that out, I went to Chamonix in the French Alps. I get halfway up this mountain called the Aiguille du Midi, I start getting this fever where I’m shaking and shivering, and I have to get down as soon as I can. I check into a hotel and allow what turned out to be glandular fever, to sweat itself out for about 10, 10 days or so. And after that, I find myself becoming increasingly more exhausted, but I, you know, I went back to university and just, just carried on. And I attempted one more mountaineering trip to Europe, which was actually about nine months later than this, thinking that the mountain air and exercise would, would, would cure me. 

It seemed like the natural, healthy thing to do, but I couldn’t have been more wrong. That trip exhausted me so much that I ended up stuck in my tent, eating dry bananas, which get a bit boring, till I managed to sum up the energy to drive myself home. And really my days from there, I spent flat on my back, staring at the ceilings, like living in a dark cloud, trying to focus enough to remember what I was thinking. In two years of Western medicine, couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. One doctor told me 80% of the people who have chronic fatigue syndrome like us, basically have it for life. So just take these antidepressants. It’s like, well, fuck that. I then researched, tried everything to get my energy back. Literally like following, following all these doctor’s protocols to the letter. I went to Africa to do a water fast. I lost a third of my body weight. And I, I, I was not, I was not overweight in the first place. You know, I was a fit rock climber before that. The next thing I know I was in a wheelchair. I tried IVs, supplements, seeing different diets, you know, ozone in every orifice you can imagine. 

Coffee enemas only in one orifice, that deplete my adrenals even more, and really just trying to get well. But trying to get well with just biochemistry was extraordinarily exhausting. And the worst bit, is I was actually getting worse. I wasn’t getting better. So I ended up laying in my bed, staring staring at the ceiling, not climbing, not going on dates, not having a career. And that wasn’t one year, not two, not even five, it was seven, seven whole years trying these different therapies until finally I thought to myself, if I don’t have energy, why don’t I study where energy comes from? And that led me to bioenergetics, which is the study of energy in living systems. And I went to, so then like went onto Google, found the leading professor in the field, which was Peter Fraser in Australia. 

He sent me this paper on quantum biology and I think I understood about 10% of it, but I was totally fascinated. And that’s, that’s when I really felt, felt something that I hadn’t felt in a long, long, long time, which was, which was hope like, you know, it’s this whole new avenue that, that, that had the potential to get us better. So I actually volunteered to become a research guinea pig, you know, instead of like the mice that are in lab rats. And, and I ended up being experimented on, on daily for actually for two years. Getting all sorts of incredible reactions. Like, you know, I’d get like had a, an antidote for the MMR vaccine though. I’ get boils, like boil on my arm where the vaccine have been. I get different fevers from antidotes, to these viruses, but quite short fevers, like a, a day or two. So totally different to getting the flu or something. 

A little bit, a little ended up getting my energy back and slowly started living my life again; going on dates, had my first rock climbing trip for 10 years, you know, building friendships. And in the end, you know, we started what we have today, which was bioenergetics research and development company. And today that company that we started with professor Fraser has turned the research into many technologies that are able to detect and correct your health and energy. And for so long, you know, when you look at it, like we’ve been using chemistry, drugs, or supplements, et cetera, to treat symptoms, but especially in the case of pharmaceuticals, you know, they, they cause a lot of side effects over time. Plus they only treat the symptoms, not the root cause of disease, but you know, out of that whole process or this story, we discovered how we could restore people’s health in the chemical, toxin, toxin free way without side effects, that’s affordable for everyone. So that’s, yeah, that’s our story in a nutshell.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It’s a,

Harry Massey

That was the first 10 years. The, the next 10 years is a whole other thing.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, that’s an extraordinary story. And something really important that I heard you say is you did a whole bunch of, a whole, whole bunch of strategies that sounded like they were intended to get to root cause, kind of root cause medicine, clear underlying infections, clear toxins. Yet, no matter what you did, you still didn’t resolve the chronic fatigue. So that’s where the bioenergetics came in. And I know people listening right now are super curious about this. So, you know, we’re on the,

Harry Massey

You know, I, we’ll probably get into this, but it is literally, I didn’t have enough energy to heal or to respond to a lot of these, a lot of these other therapies. And you know, if you don’t have enough internal energy, you sort of just fight, fight a losing battle. And I had so much stress in that period because I’d ended up well going from, you know, those first few I was actually fighting, you know, I was really fighting it, not surrendering to, to being sick. And then, you know, I ended up back at my parents. I’d actually left home at eight cause I went to boarding school. So, you know, to be, to be, to be back at home was, well, it was actually, it was incredibly, it was incredibly stressful. And you know, so I just was never able to put myself into a healing state. So yeah, it’s not that biochemistry doesn’t work. It absolutely can work. It’s just in my particular case, my energy was too low and my stress levels were too high, that my body’s healing system just wouldn’t activate itself.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah. And this is why it’s so important that you’re talking on this summit. We we’re talking about restoring mitochondrial health and you know, many speakers on here are talking about mitochondria being the, you know, energy producers of the body. But if, if you can’t even launch an energy at all, if you cannot get there, you’re not gonna get better. So can you explain what is bioenergetics and what are the principles of it? I’d really like to unpack this today.

Harry Massey

Yeah. There’s a lot of principles of bioenergetics but I’ll, you know, I’ll just give you, give you a few of them. So firstly, I’ll just define bioenergetics. So bioenergetics is the study, detection and correction of energy in living systems. This was pretty, it’s pretty much what it says, but basically we’re concerned with how energy works in the body. I’ll just give you three principles. I’ve got eight principles. Now I’m gonna give you three cause that would take forever. And you know, three that particularly good way to look at health and healing is, you know one life, life really is an energy exchange system. And I’ll explain what that means in a minute. The second concept is that the body in a way is, is very, is very, very like a battery in the sense that it, it stores, it stores energy and that you use energy for, for day to day living and for healing. 

And then the third concept, which is, you know, broader and really, really interesting is that fields govern ah well, basic fields govern your control system. Or you could say fields govern by chemistry and we’ll go into a longer explanation. But starting back at the top of how life is an energy exchange system. So, you know, if we’re we’re here, we’re here sitting on the planet, the sun is whatever it is, X million miles away. Now ultimately all the energy for this planet is come, is coming from the Sun in the form of, in the form of lights and photons. And so you just take that from a planetary basis. We are sitting here in the planet. If we go outside, we absorb light. And most of us don’t think as light as a, as a form of energy, but you know, you can very, very easily see it in a plant like plants wouldn’t live and survive without photosynthesis. And at a level, we, we also get some, we get some energy from light and I know we all think we just get energy from food, but we also, in the summer you don’t need to eat as much because you’re actually, you’re actually using heat and, and light as one of your sources, sources of energy. 

You’re also breathing in oxygen, breathing out carbon dioxide. If you’re into the whole grounding thing, you know, you can take your shoes off. There’s also source of energy from, from the earth in, in the form of electrons, which can be amplified. Like if, if you’re doing ozone therapy drinking, peroxide actually, that’s a very, very concentrate form of electrons basically, that’s why you feel much more energy when you do that. If you go into the sea, because water is, sorry, because sea water is, is, is saline, that’s also connected to all the electrons in the earth, but you know, the long and short of it is you are always exchanging energy with the environment. Of course, we’re on the mitochondria summit here. So as a principle, you really want to think about how you can optimize that exchange of energy with your environment. And, you know, there is a bit of a, of a hierarchy in this, like at the top of the tree, honestly is oxygen and air. And if you want energy really quickly, then breath work is a very, very good way of doing it.

And things like, you know, if you’re doing things like breath of breath of fire, you can get your oxygen levels up quite, quite quickly. And it’s, then it’s even better if you then start doing breath holds because when you start doing that, you raise your carbon dioxide in your blood and you know, the chem, well, I could get into the chemistry, but basically the bottom line is when you have a high level carbon dioxide in your blood, you’re actually able, both your lungs are able to exchange more oxygen out the air. And then when oxygen is in the blood, your cells are able to extract more oxygen out of, out of the blood. So, you know, breath work is a very quick, quick way of getting energy. Things like movement, you know, well, actually movement actually is also behind, behind a lot of the oxygen mechanism. And then of course got food. 

I’m not gonna get into food because I’m pretty sure a lot of your other, your other speakers will be talk will be talking about how, you know, how, how food gives you energy. And the reason that is important, because if you could optimize the exchange of energy of the environment, that’s also why detoxification of these things are good, cause it, it, it’s helping with all those mechanisms. Then you have a good source of energy to, to, to basically heal. And so the second principle is just, just this idea that the body really, the body is a battery. So imagine I, imagine we’re a cell phone it’s a good, good example. So a cell phone has a whole bunch of apps running. Now, one app could be like that, your healing app, if, if you like. You know, one, one app might be how you digest food. You know, another app, another app might be your mental processing for doing a, doing a, an interview or something like that. 

You know, there’s all these different systems in the body that are, that are draining, that are basically draining energy. And so that, that’s why I sort of describe the body a bit like a battery. Now to heal, what’s super important is that you need enough excess energy. So when you’re exchanging energy in the environment, you need enough extra flow of energy beyond what you’re needing in that moment. Because if you are running around being a total stress head, like we, a lot of us are including me in different periods, we’re we are using too, we’re basically using too much energy. So we’re draining that body battery and you know, you can drain it for a few days. Maybe even drain it for a few weeks. But if you, if you drain it down too low, it actually becomes really, really hard. You know, like a, like a normal battery would go flat and then you can plug it back in the wall, not actually, it just, it just breaks. I mean, it’s a very similar thing and that that’s exactly what happened to me when I was bedridden. And it’s like, you know, I was going out to the Alps in the fresh air, eating all the best food, doing fasting, all of that, but my body actually is so frigging broken, it didn’t matter. Like it didn’t matter at that point what I did. And so, you know, as a principal, when you’re healing, it’s so, it’s just so incredibly important to make sure a, you want to build back up that, that battery and it, and, and it is honestly, it’s, it is a bit hard when it’s completely flat. 

But you can absolutely do it. And also that second thing is, you know, just make sure you’ve got enough energy left over to heal. And so, you know, all of the, all of these other types of therapies like meditation, massage, like gentle walking, you know, yoga, not, not power yoga and the heat, but like other forms of yoga, all, all of these things are very regenerative and you know, will make sure you’re much more in the healing state. So that’s a very, you know, very, very sort of important concept and we could get into autonomic nervous system. But again, probably other people talk about that. But a as a very basic, I guess, a very basic point of view, the more, the more you have your parasympathetic system act over your sympathetic, you know, the more likely, the more likely it is that you’re in that state where energy can go to, to heal you rather than, you know, just not be there at all. So that’s second principle. 

The third is fields govern, basically fields govern your energy control system. Now this takes a bit, a bit more of an explanation. So first you’ll just describe like what a control system is. Like, we’re all very used to a chemical based control system. And, you know, we think X molecule will have Y, Y affects the body. And that’s absolutely true, but all of your cells, they don’t just have chemical receptors. They also have field based receptors and they can basically pick up information from, from light, from sound, from electromagnetic, electromagnetic fields and a field based control system’s actually much, much more efficient than the chemistry based control system. So for instance, where it’s act, I mean like light, for instance, you know, light, if, if you looked at a chemical flowing through your, going through your blood, like, you know, you might produce some whatever, adrenaline or something like that. Well for adrenaline to get from your adrenal glands, the cell, especially if it’s like down in your little toe or something, could, you know, might take a minute or so, but from a field based point of view that information can be transmitted to every single cell in the body instantaneously. 

And, you know, you, you experience that, like if you’re in a car crash, et cetera. You know, it’s fair, I mean, it’s fairly obvious when you, when you think about it, that actually the communication systems in your body are, are actually pretty, pretty instantaneous. And the chemical based system is more, it’s more like that very solid backup system. You know, once it gets going, it’s just, it’s just there. But all of that information can be communicated through through fields too. And the great thing about fields is they can be read or detected, but they, they can also be, they can also be corrected and you can also influence them. So like in our, in our work, what, what we ended up doing is we ended up recording, recording the information of, of fields in different parts of the body. So in your different organ systems, on different, different overall functions, and because we’ve record, like we’ve recorded how, how a liver can work when it’s working optimally or, or a kidney. 

We can then transmit that information back, back, back into the body. So someone’s kidney, liver, heart, isn’t working, you know, isn’t working optimally, if you present that information back to the body. And, and the other key point is there’s enough energy. So that’s why the body battery part is so, so important and also exchanging into the environment. There’s enough energy and you present the body with how to heal or with the right information. It basically, it it’ll basically heal. So like at, at a very, very simple, at a very, very simple level, you know, our model way of healing people is like, we increase the energy and the body of the body battery. So they have enough energy to heal. Plus we present the body or we basically optimize the body’s control system with the right information. And if you do those two things, the body will heal. I mean, it’s, it’s pretty simple.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah.

Harry Massey

And it’s also pretty profound and really, you know, you could even match biochemistry and a lot of, a lot of other healing methodologies into that, but that’s basically what’s going on.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay. So Harry, you just unpacked the first,

Harry Massey

Yeah, a shit ton.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

The first three of eight principles. So, so to recap, before we talk about how do you figure this out with people? So to recap, the top three, let’s make sure we got this straight. So life is an energy exchange system. You talked about the sun, energy fields from the earth, oxygen, and we wanna optimize this energy exchange. So first principle. Second principle, your body is a battery and your internal systems are draining your energy. So you gotta build that battery back up when it’s gone flat. And then third thing, you have fields that govern your energy control system, which is more efficient than a chemistry based system. So those are those three top foundations. Do I have that right?

Harry Massey

You do? Yeah.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay.

Harry Massey

You’re right.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Now, and there’s, and there’s five more. So.

Harry Massey

I, I, I mean, those, those are the, you know, those are actually the three really.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

The three big ones.

Harry Massey

I just happened to have written out these eight, you know, You know, I’m a part-time philosopher as well. So I’ve been working out these eight principles of reality and how you can manifest the first and I’ve got, well, if you want to know, there’s the law, the law of information, the law of energy, the law of, the law of resonance, the law of oscillation, polarity, and transmutation. And that gives you, if you understand those eight principles, you can basically manifest anything in your life, but that’s a totally different subject.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Well, for these top three. So these top three are the basis of everything that you’re doing. And none of it means anything to the people listening, unless there’s a way of figuring this out. So you have a way of scanning people’s bodies. So tell us about that. How do you apply these three principles with your scanning?

Harry Massey

So it’s actually, it’s actually pretty simple. So we just detect and correct people’s, people’s energy fields. So we have, we have this system called a bioenergetic wellness system. I actually got two ways, but I’ll, I’ll describe the main one of our company that’s been around for 20 years. So we basically have this system where you can either use a scanner or you can actually use your voice. And from that, we’re basically able to scan the energy fields of your body, and it’s split into 440 different different tests, and that will tell us the priority of what parts of your body field or your, your body’s energy control system are distorted or, or going wrong. And then from that, we have actually 82 of these, which is, I dunno know if that comes out in the camera, infoceutical, which is basically in information imprint, imprinted into chlorial minerals. And those are basically so, so, you know we’ve got all this one particular here, so it’s heart.

So that’s heart informational, liver informational, kidney information. We have different emotional ones, one for each and brilliant different ones for different sets of like to, to correct the terrain from damage, from different viruses, fungi, bacteria, et cetera. And we basically just present that back to the body. And it really is as simple as just adding that information to a glass of water. And you just drink the glass of water. There, there is one other way. If you saw a practitioner in person, we have a device called a, . No, anyway, so we have a, a device called mihealth, which will basically broadcast that information to your body on, on an electromagnetic field, which is, which is similar, but because it’s in the device, you can, you can put it exact, you can put it exactly on the right, on the right area of the body. So you can, you can get slightly more precise treatment. But the infoceuticals work pretty well.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

It sounds like this would be a really vital part of any functional or integrative medicine healing plan. Like this sounds like you, your, your body has to be able to create energy and make energy to heal. And it sounds like this is really foundational.

Harry Massey

Yes.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yes. Okay. Sure. So basically.

Harry Massey

There’s things in biochemistry, you know, I, that, that, that are helpful for this. Like, you know, I’m a good, I’m a like that, that whole path, like the whole N A D H pathway. So, you know, I’m not big, massive fan of NAD IV’s ’cause they’re very expensive and they make you really feel sick actually. But for instance, like if you take like half a gram to a gram of, of NMN, which is a precursor to NAD and NAD is, it’s basically basically central to the electron transfer chain. So that, you know, that’s a bit of biochemistry that, that can support the, the body battery idea. And when you’re exchanging energy environment can, can help. And like the research in that is, but like with athletes, I’m not sure what it is with sick people actually. But I know with athletes, you take a gram of NMN a day, it increases your, it increases your endurance. I think within two, two weeks, like a, before a muscle will fail, you know, 50% increase in, you know, in the energy level that a, that a muscle can handle. I mean, it’s, it’s is, is very significant and the same, you know, I think you can, as you can assume that the same would, would be true of healing. So, you know, there, there are things with biochemistry that for sure do help.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah. So how do people, viewing individuals, how do they do this to themselves? You mentioned that there’s a device you can measure. So is there a way for people to utilize this and kind of be their own protect and correct their energy for themselves?

Harry Massey

Absolutely. So I’d say in, in what we described, that’s, that’s actually with a bio practitioner and like, if you went to NES health.com, you can find one of our practitioners and they will do that whole scan process with you and walk it through. And depending on when the summit is coming out, they see in November where we’re launching a new wearable that detects, corrects and protects your emotional energy. And basically that’s a whole, that’s a whole little thing, but you, you know how in traditional Chinese medicine, you can, you can pick up your pulse. So we basically created a, created a wearable and algorithms that can work out your TCM pulse. And for the sort of, just for the consumer that will basically tell you your emotional state, your overall energy state, your overall vitality. 

It also does all the normal things that like a Whoop Oura does with like mood and sleep, et cetera. And based on its, based on the readings, it will then send in a, a corrective bio signature. If you like a, we were just describing infoceuticals a digital infoceuticals straight into the blood. It’s basically imprinting the blood with the corrective information that will basically help, help you to restore your energy, reduce stress, increase resilience, all that sort of thing. So that’s, that’s gonna be available in November. The protect part. We also do these like personalized meditations, again that are based on the reading. So, you know, one of the really, really massive drains of your body battery is stress. And if we take that a bit further, it’s really, it’s really in our reaction to the stress and in our, in our reaction to our, to our daily environment and what’s happening. And most, you know, negative reaction comes out as a, as a negative emotion. And so there’s five sort of core, if you like, there’s five core sort of emotional states that we help transform through, through these meditations and also the corrections from the wearable. 

So, so like in the wood element, for instance, in Chinese medicine, the it’s basically like anger and frustration is, is the, is the, is the negative side of that. But so we help, we help in the meditation to transform that to decisiveness. The reason that works is like, you know, if you’re very frustrated, your energy is, your energy is actually just blocked. You’re just overthinking all this stuff. But if you become decisive, it’s naturally more energy efficient. Like once you made your decision, you’re not taking any more energy with it. And the same is true of pretty much all of the states. Like you can take an anxiety, anxiety, again, you’re overthinking, you’re just overthinking all this stuff. 

Whereas if you actually have faith, cause there’s no logically, there’s really no point in being anxious about this thing that’s gonna happen in an hour or tomorrow and like overthinking, well, no, you just have faith that it’s gonna work out and be, be in the moment. And don’t, don’t waste excess energy. You know, the less, the less energy you’re wasting in all these negative emotions, the more energy you have left over to heal. I mean, it’s that, it’s, it’s that simple. So yeah, that new wearable, I mean, the company’s called energy4life.com, the number 4life.com and yeah, it’s not, it’s not available right now, in November,

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

If you’re watching this summit live at the time of its initial launch, it’s August of 2022 and, and Harry, your, your product will be out two months after. So if you’re watching this live right now, you’ll be able to access this product in two months. Amazing.

Harry Massey

Yeah, you can go to that site and like, you know, opt into a newsletter and then you’ll be notified when it comes out.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Perfect. Perfect. This is really exciting. What I’m hearing over and over again from you, which I love is efficiency, helping your body be more efficient at creating energy, more efficient at healing.

Harry Massey

Oh, you’re right on it. So that, that’s the whole point of the energy control system. We are just trying to, we’re just trying to get the body to be more efficient and unfortunately, disease and time and stress and all these things over time, I mean, it’s suddenly in the end, it’s the ultimate definition of death. Like by the time you die, your body’s become so in inefficient, you just dropped dead and we are just basically continually battling. So that, I mean, that’s another principle I didn’t describe, which would be in information opposes entropy. Life is basically fighting entropy. Entropy just means that energy and heat is dissipating across, across the universe. And the thing that holds it all together is, is information, is order, is coherent. So everything we are doing is basically making you more efficient, making you more ordered, you know, make et cetera, et cetera. But yeah, good point.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Yeah. So you had mentioned, you know, I, I’ve heard you say before, you want to really influence billions of people on the planet. So I’d love to know from you, as we wrap up this interview, which I know we could talk for hours, but I’d like to know how do you see bioenergetics changing society? You said you’re also a bit of a philosopher, a scientist, you’re, you’re a whole bunch of things wrapped into one. So how is this going to change society? And what do you see for the future of bioenergetics? Cause this is so much bigger than just the individual person healing their energy. I have a feeling you’re gonna go somewhere big with this.

Harry Massey

Yeah. I mean, so I think of prelude to that, or part of, part of this answer is on the, is on the science. So we’ve basically had a hundred years of, of biochemistry, trillions of dollars being, being put into that. And you know, the history of that is very briefly it’s just like Rockefeller was originally looking for what he could do with oils. You know, they started the chemical industry, what can they do with chemicals? Oh, we can make pharmaceuticals, they set up the AMA and you know, and all of that. And, and they basically, you know, went on a, they basically got rid of alternatives, subtle energy, homeopathy the, you know, you name it. And, and we basically had almost zero dollars looking at energy, at energy fields in this space. However, that, that obviously is changing right now. 

Maybe partly due to the pandemic and stuff. But, like we’ve got a research program going on at the University of California where they for like, there’s a bunch of different experiments, but one, they took lung tissue, we infected it with COVID and then we basically actually, no, not quite that way around. So we took, we took lung tissue, we then fed it with information that would help, would help reject COVID virus. And then we basically saw, we saw the lung tissue reject, reject the COVID virus as it was, as it was infected. They did the same with Aids, actually the Aids, the Aids one had a greater effect than COVID. So the Aids, we had a, it was a, it was a 50. Yeah. It was a 50% reduction in the infection rate. I think with COVID it was 25%. Unfortunately, with the company can’t commercially put that out. It’s just an FDA nightmare. 

However, the research is there that shows this and unlike, actually we also did one with neural stem cells. So we had another, another infoceutical that we basically fed the neural stem cells and that we saw a 52% growth rate in stem cell proliferation over 10 days. That, you know, that has great application because, you know, we haven’t yet done it in humans. That would be the next, the next sort of trial. But the assumption is that that effect would, would also happen in, in humans, that we can help stimulate and get the body’s own stem, you know, stem cell growth gain. And the reason to go back to your actual question, like if you, if you imagine, so that’s one university, we’ve got another meeting with Wake Forest University. And like, if you imagine over the next few years, all of these different universities and now research, basically they’re researching the physics of biology, how information and energy and fields can, can, can directly affect biology and therefore healing. That has so many applications. 

I mean basically, they’ll totally change healthcare because what we are talking about is pretty much side effect free. I mean, you can create effects that are negative, but obviously we’re not attempting to design that, but there’s no toxic chemical sort of residue that might, you know, that might create some odd side effect that you’re not thinking it’s only the effect that, it’s a much more intentional direct effect. It’s pretty much costless. I mean, you know, we don’t, well, I mean, I guess companies can paint it and charge of fortune if they wish, but it, but it, but it does, but it basically does allow, it does allow a healthcare system that can be, you know, much more cost effective. The other side, you know, when you’re looking at bioenergetics as a whole, because one of the really big components, especially with this new wearable, that we’re where we’re really tackling emotions directly. Because emotions, at least in my view, is like the biggest drain on the body batteries. So if we can tackle that, but I mean, if you can imagine a world that wasn’t ruled by the emotions of our leaders, you know, if wars weren’t basically perpetuated by their state, by the state of energy and consciousness, if work stress didn’t burn up your energy, you know, doctors didn’t only offer anti-anxiety and antidepressants. 

Basically when really the root cause the stress and mismanaging emotional energy. And whereas instead, we had the majority of people basically detecting, correcting, protecting their own emotional energy instead of world where people are gonna understand their bodies, their emotions, how it affects their life experiences, the health, their relationships, et cetera. Well that type of world, where each individual’s positive emotions, that’s really gonna create what basically creates a ripple effect that will raise the consciousness of the planet. So in theory, well, it’s not even in theory, the more conscious, the more people are that are more conscious, we’re basically gonna end up with a world that has, you know, less wars, better corporate cultures, in the end better societal decisions. I mean, frankly, the last two years, societal decisions have been a total shit show because, because of basically the consciousness at the top is really not there. 

And we’re gonna have a much, you know, much better, better health outcomes. It’s also gonna catalyze an absolute sci, you know, scientific revolution. I mean, it really has the potential to overthrow medical science. That’s gonna lead to changes in our fundamental understanding of biology and how to heal people. Yeah. So yeah, in my view, this is gonna lead to a world where the first port of call is to energetically heal people in the chemical side effect, you know, free way. And we’re only gonna be using chemistry as more, as more of a secondary supportive measure when, when needed, rather than like the first, the first port, port of call. So yeah, I don’t know. 

That’s what I see. We’re doing a lot of things to get there. There’s the practitioner company, a consumer company. We have a nonprofit research side. If anyone likes to support that that’s Instituteofbioenergetics.com or just contact, contact us. But yes, and it’s gonna, it’s gonna be a long, you know, it’s a long road. We’ve be doing it 20 years already, but we, we are seeing an acceleration and I’ll say, I think the world, well, the world is in such a state of, such a state of change right now. You know fortunately a lot of old ideas and paradigms are getting thrown away. And I think when some of these um. I guess like the Fauchi’s and others of the world actually like stop being in, stop, being in charge, like, you know, there there’s gonna be a changeover of the, of the old guard. And when that happens, you know, companies and ideas like, like we’re talking about here are, you know, they’re gonna, they’re gonna get, they’re gonna get a lot more attention and society will change.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Thank you, Harry. That is a great place to end this amazing interview, raising the consciousness of the planet and healing on a huge level. I wanna make sure everyone knows how to get ahold of you, how to find a practitioner, how to, how to get involved with your company. Can you share all the places people would wanna go?

Harry Massey

Yes. So if you’re, if you’re interested, like just going deep and learning this material, we, we actually, we actually have a bioenergetic health coaching program. I think, yeah, I’m pretty sure you come across that on neshealth.com. If you just wanna see a practitioner, same, same domain, and all the practitioners are listed there. But they also work remotely. So you can do it that way too. Say if you’re just more interested in doing things for yourself, then the wearable is on Energy4life.com and yeah, I think that that is about it.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay. So energy4life…

Harry Massey

The non, yeah, the nonprofit is instituteofbioenergetics.com Yes. We could always do with support. We finance it pretty much all ourselves right now.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay. So energyforlife.com for the wearable, neshealth.com for finding information, learning, working with a coach.

Harry Massey

Even if you, if you are a practitioner, wanna work with a practitioner, wanna become a coach the on that one.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay. Excellent.

Harry Massey

Yep.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Okay. Thank you so much, Harry, any final words before we conclude today?

Harry Massey

I think just that, you know, if you are, if you are suffering from fatigue, lack of energy in a big way, I would just say, you know, we were bedridden for 10 years and obviously we’re not, we’re not now. I’d just, I’d say it is possible to recover your energy. And I would just say, yeah, you know, probably the first thing to think about is just that idea of a body battery. And it’s just, it’s so easy just to, you know, you get a little bit of energy. Oh, I feel good today. I’m gonna go and do X, Y, Z, and you burn it all up. If you are really depleted, just, just remember it take, it takes some time to really repair that body battery, but it absolutely can be done.

Laura Frontiero, FNP-BC

Excellent. Thank you so much for your time today, Harry really appreciate you. Bye now.