How Bioenergetics Can Restore Your Energy For Life

Harry Massey

Thank you, Keesha. It’s great to see you again.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Yes, it’s really, really wonderful to… It seems like after the pandemic, a lot of us haven’t seen each other and it’s been fun to do these interviews and see everyone poking their head back up above the ground.

Harry Massey

That’s perfect. Are you still in Oregon? Is that where you are?

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Seattle area.

Harry Massey

Okay, perfect. I moved to Park City.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Oh, did you? Oh, okay. A couple of my kids were born in Utah and I went to undergrad college in Utah. I’m just gonna have you start with your story.

Harry Massey

Perfect. I love climbing. I’ve climbed like 4,000 meter overhanging faces in the French Alps, a free climb about ropes, 100 feet above the ocean with waves crashing into cliffs below. When I was 21, free climbing trips led me to being bedridden for the next seven years. And on that first trip, I went ice climbing on Ben Nevis, in Scotland. Now ice climbing is much more delicate than rock climbing, and sometimes you come across patches that are extremely brittle, whereby you teeter up as delicate as you can. I was a few hundred meters up the mountain. I placed my ice pick carefully, made my move and then the ice shatters. And the next thing I realize is that I’m falling backwards, tumbling onto the slope below. And I managed to get my ice pick into the steep snow slope, arresting my fall. And although I was in pain, it didn’t seem like anything was broken, so I’d go home and had a whiskey. And it wasn’t for another year when I went for an x-ray for a paragliding accident that I was told that I’d fractured my spine during that fall, but I hadn’t stopped climbing. And before I even found that out, I went to Chamonix in the French Alps and I got halfway up the Aiguille du Midi, I start getting this fever where I’m shaking and shivering, and I have to get down as soon as I can. 

I checked into a hotel and allow what turned out to be glandula fever, which is similar to Epstein-Barr over in the States to sweat itself out. And after that, I found myself becoming increasingly more exhausted and I attempted one more mountaineering trip in Europe thinking that the mountain air and excise will cure it, and I couldn’t have been more wrong. The trip exhausted me so much that I ended up stuck in my tent, eating really boring dry bananas till I managed to summon up the energy to drive myself home. My days from then were spent flat my back, staring at the ceiling. It was like living in a dark cloud, trying to focus enough to remember what I was thinking. Two years of Western medicine couldn’t figure out what was wrong with me. One doctor told me that 80% of people who have had chronic fatigue syndrome like us would have it for life so just take these antidepressants, and I said, fuck that. I researched and tried everything to get my energy back, following every protocol to the letter, ended up going… Well, the first thing I did, I went to Africa to do a water fast, but I lost a third of my body weight, the next thing I knew I was in a wheelchair. And then tried all sorts of IVs, supplements, all these different diets, ozone, coffee enemas, which we just talked about. I did two today, which is very unusual, that depleted my adrenals more. 

Trying to get well with just biochemistry was basically really, really exhausting, and I was getting worse, not better. Now, I laid in my bed, staring at the ceiling, not climbing, not going on dates, not having a career. In the end, well, it wasn’t one year, not two, not even five, it was seven whole years trying all these different therapies until finally I thought to myself, if I don’t have energy, why don’t I study where energy comes from? And that led us to bioenergetics, the study of energy in living systems. And I wrote to the leading professor in the field, who’s called Professor Peter Fraser in Australia. He sent me this paper on quantum biology, which I understood around 10% of it, but I was totally fascinated. And it’s also when I felt something that I hadn’t felt in a long, long time, hope. I wanted to become his research guineapig. I was experimented on daily, getting all sorts of incredible reactions, like boils and fevers. And little by little, I got my energy back and slowly started living my life again, going on dates, had my first rock climbing trip for 10 years, building friendships. And more importantly for everyone listening, we started a bioenergetics research and development company. And today that company that we started with Professor Fraser has turned that research into many different technologies that are able to detect and correct your health and energy. And for so long, we’ve been using chemistry or drugs to treat symptoms, but these pharmaceuticals can cause side effects over time, plus they often only treat the symptoms, not the root causes of disease. But we discovered how to restore people’s health in a chemical, toxin free way without side effects that’s affordable for everyone.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

That’s quite a story that you’ve flushed out the part about ice climbing since I’ve heard it before. So I love hearing that. So tell me, for someone that’s never heard of the term bioenergetics, let’s go through and define that in a way that is understandable to everybody listening.

Harry Massey

So, I mean, in Wikipedia, let’s say bioenergetics is the study of energy in living systems. I slightly altered it to say it’s the study, detection and correction of energy in living systems. And really, when you’re looking at the overall field of bioenergetics, there’s three main principles. One is that life is an energy exchange system. Two, the body is a battery and three that its fields that govern the energy in your body. And so I’ll just explain sort all those three principles in more depth. So when you’re looking at life as an energy exchange system, here we are, sitting here, no one knows that you had COVID, and I had it too three months ago. However, we’re sitting here, we breathe in oxygen, we breathe out carbon dioxide, that’s an exchange of energy. You know, you eat food. Food, the energy is generally from carbohydrates and fats, but even the carbohydrates and fats ultimately turn into ATP which is like the electron transfer chain. I mean, ultimately they are a rich source of electrons, and fat is four times richer source of electrons than a carbohydrate, for instance. Equally, if we went out into the sunshine, light penetrates through the skin, as it hits structured water in the cell, protons to that infrared energy will spin out and electron again that can be used by engine in the body. Or there’s also things like grounding. You take your feet off, walk on the ground or swim in the ocean. 

And when you swim in the ocean, you’re connected up to where you’re very directly connected up to Earth’s both magnetic field, but more directly a source of electrons. And from a bioenergetics point of view, you wanna be optimizing how you’re exchanging energy with the environment, because put very, very simply, if you have more energy available, you’ve got more resources and energy to heal, which really brings us into the main second concept in bioenergetics, which is basically that the body is a battery. So if it’s like, it’s not a very good picture, but if this is a battery and let’s say your energy was down here, but it takes this amount of energy to feel good, think normally, digest, walk around, feed your kids, everything you would need to do in daily life, but your energy is low here, you simply do not have enough energy available to heal yourself and you need to get your energy above the level that you actually need for day to day living to be able to heal and repair yourself. And if you don’t, I’d say, honestly, it’s almost impossible to actually heal yourself. So the second sort of therapeutic goal is you wanna restore your energy levels in your body battery so you have enough reserves for a healing reaction, people call ’em healing crises or all those sorts of things. You don’t actually have to go through a healing crisis per se, but you do need that energy to heal. So that’s a very important concept. And you get that through the first principle of learning how you optimize, how you exchange energy with the environment. And then the third bit is that fields govern energy. 

So let’s say, you’ve got a medium reasonable amount of energy, you’re exchanging energy with your environment correctly, or optimally, but because your system is so energy inefficient, you’re just burning up all of this energy, and so again, you don’t actually have energy that can go towards healing. And so I guess the next question is how on earth do you correct that energy control system? And conventionally, we’ve all very familiar of the chemical-based control system, where chemistry molecules are going through your blood, hitting different cell receptors and doing everything they’re meant to be doing. The problem with that is actually it’s quite in a… It’s not that it’s not true. It’s 100% true. However, in terms of the control system, it’s actually quite inefficient. So for instance, if the thyroid is producing thyroxine, it has to travel to the cell, and the thyroxine has to go through locking key mechanism to act, and that’s true of any other chemical, but in a field-based controlled system, actually information transfer is instantaneous. And you can communicate, you can basically communicate to all the cells in your body in real time. And you might think, well, why doesn’t medicine know this or study this? Or we could just give some, I mean, there’s a lot of… Well actually in medicine, for example, there are EKGs, EEGs, MRIs. 

And so at one level, the whole medical system does actually read fields in the body, but the bit they sort of missed out is they’re like, okay, they don’t recognize that fields actually interact with the body, although it’s fairly evident like if you were exposed to… If you went up to a cell phone tower and you feel pretty awful because of the high EMS there. The bottom line is your cells also have this field-based controlled system that is much, much more efficient and more rapid than the chemical controlled system. And so a way of basically helping your energy flow for your body is basically to correct your field-based controlled system. And if you do that, energy becomes more efficient or energy flow becomes more efficient, and then back to the body battery idea, you end up with more energy in the tank, or in your battery, and then you have energy available to heal. But it’s also that energy is directed properly because your control system has been optimized. And really, if you do the two together, you increase the level of your energy and you optimize how your control system is in your body, basically you get better. I mean, that’s where optimal health comes from. So that’s bioenergetics in a nutshell. It’s basically the study of how energy works in the body. And as I said, from our point of view, it’s like, well also, how do you detect it and correct it, cuz that’s how we can get people better.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

So the principles of bioenergetics, I really appreciate you explaining and giving that definition. And how do we put that to work practically?

Harry Massey

So practically, so we have this cloud-based system that we call the Bioenergetic Wellness System. And this is basically how we’re able to detect, if we scan all the energy fields in your body. And in general, if you’re a member of the public, you would either go to a practitioner in person or you can use our voice cloud-based system and you can find a practitioner or Keesha, I think has our system so that’s even easier, but otherwise it’s neshealth.com. And you basically record your voice, it’ll scan against 440 different items, which include all the organ systems, meridians, mind and body correlations, like nutrition. We also look at things like life purpose, beliefs, and that type of stuff. And from there, it also works out which sets of infoceuticals or informational imprints will help you and there’s generally around five of those. And then from that, they just get drop shipped to you. Yes, that’s basically that.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

So that’s an upgrade from putting your hand on the little mouse and having it…

Harry Massey

Oh yes, yes. You can just do it through the cloud using your voice, yeah.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

All right. So can you talk about the technology underneath that? How did you do this?

Harry Massey

That’s a long story, but yes, that’s a 22-year story, but okay.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Well, I do aggravated pulse diagnosis and I’ve been trained in that years ago and there’s a current inside of your pulse and different layers, you know. And so I’m sure your voice has a similar quality, so I’m so curious about this correlative between pulse diagnosis and voice diagnosis, which is something I had never heard of before.

Harry Massey

It’s actually more of a quantum physics resonance principle. So you know how people will do muscle testing, it’s really like doing a cloud-based resonance or matching type thing. And we just need the voice to identify a person in space so that we can then do this matching process in the cloud. And the real trick of it is, well, the real question is how did we work out that map of the body field in the first place? And the answer to that, well, so it took Peter, who’s the professor from Melbourne University. So he was working on that for 25 years before I met him 22 years ago, and this is going a long way back in history. And basically, he was working out through trial and error. So he would work out these different field vectors and most of them would be wrong and wouldn’t work, and so he wouldn’t get a match. And then he would basically, I say it was over 25 years plus, like there was 10 years that I always working with him where we were iterating on it, so it’s almost like trial in that. It’s like having a very good theory, but then you have to do trial and error to see whether your theory is accurate. And basically, over that long period, we would end up, anyway, we would, through trial and error, we sort of got all of those vectors worked out so we could do the matching. Then these days it’s a bit easier because we have all the cloud-based data so we know what’s going on with all the clients and patients so it’s easier to correlate things, but for him, he had to do it all through trial and error over with his own individual patients over a really long period.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

That’s amazing.

Harry Massey

Yeah. It took some time. Yeah. It’s not a short answer, but if people really wanna dig into that, we wrote a book called Decoding The Human Body Field. It’s like 400 pages with all of that history and the experiments, and it’s pretty interesting read if you like going down that sort of investigative research rabbit hole.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Oh my gosh. And human design, I’m an investigator. That kind of a rabbit hole, it’s my jam. I definitely wanna read that. Now there’s some recent research findings from the University of California and San Diego, right?

Harry Massey

There is lots. Yes.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Yeah. Do you wanna talk a little bit about those findings?

Harry Massey

I will. So last year… Yeah, we’re in 2022, but in 2021, actually we were at a Joda Spencer event. We met Professor Hemal, who’s doing research for the Joda Spencer nonprofit, and I told him about infoceuticals and he was like, oh, that’s interesting. I could test all these out in their lab using all these different cell cultures. So one of the first experiences he did, cause it’s 2021, they’re obsessed with COVID. They basically took lung tissue, they bathed the lung tissue basically in a medium of… We haven’t explained what infoceutical is, but I’m just gonna say for now, it’s an imprinted medium with the information that will help correct your body’s control system. So basically, imprint this medium with information that would help reject COVID from lung tissue. And then they infect the lung tissue and obviously, they have a control as well. And they basically saw a 20% increase in the rejection rate of COVID from the lung tissue. And when they did it with an HRV virus with a different set of information, we had a 50% additional rejection rate. Then they were like, oh, this is quite interesting. So then they were like, well, are these infoceuticals different? I’ll just say one of the infoceutical is… I’ve got one here. So that’s…

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Yeah. Let’s talk about the difference between that and a homeopathic solution.

Harry Massey

Yeah. So this is basically information, that’s basically there to help correct your energetic control system and it is in mineral water, but the minerals and the water part are really not so important. The part that matters is the information. I’ll explain the homeopathic bit after, so I’ll just finish the research bit. So then they basically wanted to see, well, are all these different infoceuticals different? So they used, it’s called a paramagnetic. Anyway, it’s a machine that could basically tell all these different wavelengths of paramagnetism. And anyway, they basically found each of our infoceuticals had a different magnetic signature, but chemically, it was they’re all absolutely identical. So they were scratching their heads to that, and then obviously they were like, “Well, what else can these infoceuticals do?” So they had a bunch of like neural stem cells, and we actually didn’t know they were doing this experiment, he just told us afterwards, cause we sent them all 72 sets of infoceuticals, and then there was one called… The name doesn’t matter, but it was called COH Matrix. And they tested that against neural stem cells, and they got a 50% additional growth rate to growing a stem cell culture than the control. 

So that was pretty interesting. Then they started down a whole load of other types of experiments where they’re looking at the cell membrane resilience and they were able to see an increase in the resilience of toxins entering the cell. What else have we seen? The study in metabolism and energy, we haven’t got all those results yet, but the long story what’s really exciting is when we were first doing the research with Professor Fraser 20 plus years ago, he didn’t have all the modern equipment that the university has. He didn’t have access to all of these cell cultures, but what’s fascinating is the sets of information that we worked out 20 plus years, well, it’s literally 20 years ago now. But we’re finding in the lab on these actual tissues that they’re having their effect. And the next phase is to do it to basically do it with Happy. My dog’s being very naughty. On mice, we’re not gonna do dog testing, and then you go into human trials, but yeah, all that’s pretty exciting. And sorry, to explain your homeopathic thing.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Just so that people understand the principle difference. And I think a lot of times when people see an infoceutical, they automatically put it into a category that they’ve seen before, and this is something quite different, so.

Harry Massey

So a homeopathic, so like 200 years ago, Samuel was his first name, Samuel Hahnemann, he would take a diluted substance of something that would create the symptom in the body. So like, there’s a herb, nux vomica, if you ate a lot, you would vomit. But then from a homeopathics point of view, if you dilute it all the way down, you know, you dilute it so there’s nothing left, that imprint will basically in a way, it sort of helps the body basically elicit a healing reaction that would help settle down your stomach so you wouldn’t be sick. So it’s sort of like the body is basically reacting, it has a healing reaction against something that would be poisonous at a high dose. We looked at that idea, and we’re like, why on earth are we sort of going this really indirect route and asking the body to react against something rather than just providing it the actual optimal blueprint of how something should be in the first place? So with us, we are just basically recording the healthy blueprint of how a liver is when it’s working properly or a kidney or a brain, et cetera, and then we just imprint that information and basically provide that to the body. So from your body’s point of view, it has a certain amount of energy. If it has enough energy to heal, it then basically steers the body to heal itself in a particular direction as guided by an infoceutical.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Thank you for the explanation. I know that when I had a brick and mortar clinic, we used the NES system and infoceuticals from your company and we were having to provide that explanation quite a lot, so. How do you see bioenergetics changing really our cultural story, our society, as we know it right now?

Harry Massey

What a big question. Well, basically, if you could imagine that a world wasn’t ruled by the emotions of our leaders or… You know, I think that question comes after asking about a JIM. Now I think the answer will make more sense. Are we able to edit that?

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Yeah, go ahead and talk about JIM.

Harry Massey

So what we were just describing was, so an emphasis on this. So one of the new things that we’ve been doing in our R&D company is making a new wearable that can detect, correct and protect your emotional energy. And if you like, it’s a bit delivering a digital infoceutical where the wearable is imprinting straight into the blood the bio signature that you basically need, and that’s the correct part. But the additional sort of pretty neat thing on the detect part is it will also read your pulse. So in traditional Chinese medicine, you can basically work out which pulse out of 29 different pulses. We’ve managed to work out algorithms that will pick up 13 of those TCM pulses, just based on the actual shape of the wave. And so from that, we can tell these different emotional characteristics, like where someone is in a scale of frustrated to decisiveness, and that’s sort of based on like a worry pulse or a liver pulse. You can tell where someone is from anxious to faithful, sort of more of a spleen type pulse. And it also does all of the normal things that you might expect in like your sleep, movement, energy, et cetera, et cetera, HRV, all that sort of standard stuff. But the really interesting, unique part is instead of just looking at HRV and heart rate, it’s actually looking at the full shape of the pulse, and that means we can get a much greater insight into actually the health or the vitality of a person right in that instant, and then of course we can use all of those analytics and insights for the correction.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

That’s beautiful.

Harry Massey

Yeah. So that’s quite cool.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Do you have an example of the wearable there to show?

Harry Massey

I don’t but Energy4, like with the number, life.com, you can see it on that website.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Oh, okay. All right.

Harry Massey

And there’ll be like a beta launch of that in November. Well, let’s not say launch. I mean, literally we’re just gonna give out a few hundred to beta testers and then there’s a full launch next March.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

Nice. So then lead that into the societal question.

Harry Massey

So if you can imagine that you can detect, correct and protect your emotional energy. Then if you could then therefore imagine that the world, like if we had a world that… Sorry, a world that wasn’t ruled by the emotions of our leaders, like if wars were not perpetuated by their state of energy and consciousness, and if work stress didn’t burn up your energy. If doctors didn’t offer any like anti-anxiety and antidepressants when the root cause is stress and mismanaging your emotional energy. And you can imagine a world where people detect, correct and protect that emotional energy, where people understand their bodies, their emotions, how it affects their life experiences, their health, their relationships, et cetera, then you can probably see how that would change the world as each individual’s positive emotions would cause a ripple effect, raising the consciousness of the planet that would lead to less wars, better corporate cultures, societal decisions, and health outcomes. And as society experiences the benefits of bioenergetics, it catalyzes a scientific revolution that would overthrow medical science, leading to changes in our fundamental understanding of biology and how to heal people. That really leads us to a world where the first port of call is to energetically heal people in a chemical side effect free way, only using chemistry as a secondary measure where needed rather than as a primary measure. It’s also a world where you would connect your innate wisdom and innate healer first. A world where our environment is set up for our body to heal, our minds to calm down and our spirits to shine. That’s how I think it’ll affect society. But I mean, yes, I could go on, but…

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

We love that. I’m looking forward to beta testing a Jim. Harry, thank you so much for spending the time to share your wisdom with us. I know you have a free gift for our audience. Do you like…

Harry Massey

So yeah, it’s a book called Restore Your Energy with Bioenergetics, which I think you can get if you go to the neshealth.com website and opt in there.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

We’ll have it here too. So thank you so much. I really appreciate knowing the latest innovations coming out of the company.

Harry Massey

Perfect. Cool. Thank you.

Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C​

All right, everybody. Until next time, be well.