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William Pawluk, MD, MSc, author of “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF therapy”, was recently a holistic doctor near Baltimore, MD. Previous academic positions at Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. Training: acupuncture, homeopathy, hypnosis, energy medicine, nutrition and bodywork. Considered the foremost authority on the practical use of Pulsed Electromagnetic... Read More
In 2002, Harry founded NES Health www.neshealth.com, a company dedicated to fostering a 21st - century system of healthcare based on the integration of physics and biology. Harry invented three health - related clinical technologies: the NES miHealth, Biotouch & Biosync. These endeavors grew out of his own research into... Read More
- While on the path of healing chronic fatigue syndrome, after years of being bedridden, and trying many different modalities, Harry stumbled on energetic therapy. This therapy served as the foundation for developing NES Health in a therapeutic approach applying “positive” energies to the body. These energies reflect the healthy structures of the body and when applied to the body for numerous health conditions will produce guidance to the tissues during their repair towards normal cells. This approach is the opposite of conventional therapies which tend to be “anti” disease, pathology or organisms, such as antibiotics, antivirals, etc. The diagnosis/evaluation provide the signals to help the body repair. Currently, treatment is provided through a network of practitioners available through NES health. The company is developing a new wearable technology with which individuals may be able to treat themselves as needed. The website will be Energy4Life.com.
26William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Hi, this is Dr. Pawluk. Today, I have with me a special guest, Harry Massey, of NES Health. And Harry gave me something that I should do, use to introduce him, but I have found that Harry can do a much better job introducing himself than I can read something. So let me ask Harry to please introduce himself.
Harry Massey
Sure. Well, maybe I’ll just start with my story, because that sort of explain where I came from.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Please do.
Harry Massey
So when I was 21, I used to do loads of rock climbing and I would rock climb up, over hanging faces above the sea in the Alps. And I went on this one trip to Scotland to climb Ben Nevis. I ended up falling because the ice just shattered. I fell down, little did I know, I ended up fracturing my spine but I didn’t know that for the next two years. I then went on another trip six months later to the Alps. I ended up getting a fever while I was climbing, came down, spent 10 days in bed with what I think was glandular fever. And after that, I became just increasingly tired, went back to University. I just thought well, I’ll give it third crack cause I was really into the idea that outdoor exercise would heal me. So I went back out to the Alps, but that time I got so exhausted, I ended up stuck in a tent just eating. All I had left in my tent was dried bananas and some water. So I was just eating dried bananas and water for a few days, managed to get enough energy to drive back to England, stopping every hour on the highway and didn’t know what to do with myself. Enrolled in an MBA and it was so exhausting going to lectures. I ended up splitting that over two years instead of one year. Long story short, I ended up in a wheelchair. So I did my exams in a wheelchair because I basically wouldn’t give up, I just kept pushing it. And that basically led to this really, really quite dark period of, I spent like the next seven years at home, back at my parents house. Mostly bedridden, but at least house bound. I could get out of bed and go to the kitchen, to the bathroom and stuff. But basically, I was totally exhausted. I then went down the normal medical system in England, it’s the National Health Service.
They obviously didn’t know what to do with me because the chronic fatigue syndrome, was sort of like a yuppie type thing. They didn’t honestly really believe in it. And so I didn’t get anywhere with that for the first year and a half. Then went down to the sort of functional medicine, nutrition, diet roots up, ozone, magnesium, IVs, fasting, all of these different types of therapies, that people try when they’re really, really sick. But I really actually wasn’t getting any better. And about five years in I just thought to myself, well, I know I don’t have any energy so why don’t I look up where energy comes from. And that actually brought us into the world of energy medicine and bioenergetics, which is the study detection and correction of energy in living systems. And I was really fortunate, so the doctor that I was under, I asked him like, well, who are the energy experts in the world or energy medicine experts in the world? And he put me in touch with the scientist from Australia called Professor Peter Fraser. And he’d basically been mapping out what we call the human body-field. And originally he set up the first acupuncture college in Australia and translated a lot of the well, he used to go to China, translate a ring out of Chinese. And he was one of the first people in the west to basic translate Chinese medicines, set-up for official curriculums in Australia. That became part of Melbourne University, but Melbourne University, the other professors really didn’t like the ideas of Qi and meridians and energy. So he was under a lot of pressure, so he ended up leaving the university and just went into private research. And we were just talking about EAV. So he bought one of the early EAV machines, a Vega device, and he was actually using a Vega device to map out further the Meridian system and what we would call the information of the human body. And so he was doing that for I think 23 years, before I met him. But he basically mapping out the information into the human body-field and sort of fusing ideas from physics, radionics and Chinese medicine in EAV.
And anyway, so I was introduced to him and I basically had this idea, of creating a home wellness system, simply because I was sick at home, didn’t know how to get better. My parents didn’t particularly wanna drive me to practitioners and they were like the good ones were in London, two hours away from where we lived. And so I just sort of said that to Peter. I was like well, couldn’t we create a home wellness system, but I didn’t know how to get anyone better, but obviously I had a strong sense he did. And so he sort of looked at us. I mean, I was in England, he was in Australia. We agreed to meet in Los Angeles. We both flew. That was a very big deal for me because I hadn’t been on a plane in six years at that point. We ended up spending 10 days together and he was just like well, I don’t know about this kid because I was 26. And but if there was anything, it’s like, well, I better get him better. Maybe something will happen or maybe not. But he took a chance on us and I guess I took a chance on him. And he ended up, well, what we now call an pharmaceutical, which I had this one right there. But basically, he would record the healthy information of different organs, different meridians, different mind body correlations and print them into basic cordial minerals. And it’s really like, it’s sort of a form of radionics It comes out of radionics, but it’s different in the sense that in radionics, they just take like a, it’s more of a homeopathic principle and they’re just taking a static set of information. But his insight was to make it dynamic and come from the positive end. So it’s like well, this is how heart is when it’s working properly. So he would work out all these different informational and energetic components with how heart would function when it’s functioning properly. And then he would put all those sets of information into a sequence. And then imprint them into the.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That information is frequencies, right?
Harry Massey
Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah. And anyway, so he gave me some of the very early in pharmaceuticals and I had these most incredible reactions. I’d had enema vaccine when I was a kid and then we had this antidote sort of damage enema vaccine. I got this big boil coming out in my arm, where it was coming out or actually there was one, for the virus I got when I was climbing and I got this little fever for two to three days, when I took the pharmaceuticals, we had this nice little reaction from that. And so because of those experiences, I knew there was something pretty profound going on and it’s not like, if you’ve been sick for bedridden for years, it’s not like you suddenly bounce back. I mean, it took about a year, year and a half to really recover my health and energy. But basically, as he was working with us, like each layer would unfold and I would get a bit better and a bit better. And at the same time as that, I was like, okay. well, we can make cause he was just doing it one on one, with individual patients. And so we ended up like systemizing it, into a computer system where we could basically work out which pharmaceuticals it’s really like a health analysis. And we ended up working out how you can look at each organ, each Meridian, all of the mind, body correlations. And then basically within a few minutes, you can see those results and it tells you which pharmaceutical that you need. And then you take it and that in turn stimulates a healing response. So that basically was the sort of birth story of our nest company, which is 20 years old now. And Peter ended up moving to the UK. We built that out in UK and Europe for 10 years, before we moved to the states like nine years ago. There you go. There’s, my little story.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s a long story.
Harry Massey
That’s a long story yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Gradual fever by the way in the U.S is called mono.
Harry Massey
Yep. Yep, right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So it’s the same thing. Epstein bar virus. Yeah. And we know that Epstein bar virus, can leave all kinds of long term footprints in the body.
Harry Massey
Yeah, it’s nasty, but it can eventually go, I mean, on the Testament to that, but yeah, it’s nasty for a while.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, that’s fantastic. Well, that’s your story then? I guess the big part of this story is the bioenergetics. So you’ve sort of introduced us to bioenergetics. Why don’t you dive deeper into what that is?
Harry Massey
Sure. So, say it’s just stands for the study, of energy and living systems and well, really there’s two sort, of main principles in bioenergetics. One, is this concept of the body battery. the body has energy reserves and the body is always exchanging energy with the environment. And the obvious one is food that you eat and you discrete food, the slightly less obvious ones, are that you breathe oxygen. There’s like sunlight and infrared heat going in, or you can ground and get electrons from the ground, or of course, magnetic fields as well. And so, one of the principles of bioenergetics, is you wanna optimize the exchange of energy with your environment so that you can really recharge your body battery if you like, because if you don’t have enough energy, it’s really, really hard to heal. And in fact, if your body is using up more energy, just sort of living and fighting your illness or the stress that you’re dealing with each day, it doesn’t have any extra energy to spend on healing. So that’s sort of one principle that, our practitioners and coaches use, is like they, basically wanna help or they help their clients get enough energy so they can heal. And then the other really important component is, what we were talking about with pharmaceuticals and information. So the body really has, you could say it has multiple control systems, but the main control system, that most people are familiar with is basically the chemical control system. And, all of your cells have cell receptors, for different molecules.
And, at least from a Western thinking point of view, like we think chemistry is totally governing our body. However, there is actually also, and you can has different names, biofield, body field, energy control system. I like to call it the energetic control system and that’s because all of your cells, they don’t only have receptors for chemicals. They also have receptors for fields. And for it is basically just pure information or see PMF fields being one of them. And, so from our point of view, it’s like, you want the body’s control system to be as efficient as possible. And the reason you want it to be, as efficient as possible is because then it’s losing, sorry, then it’s using less energy. If it’s using less energy, you have more energy available to heal. And, the body’s own healing system start, will basically get into gear. So that’s really why we scan people and use pharmaceuticals, or we have another device called on my health. And then later on we’ve got another, wearable that will do something similar, but basically the idea is you wanna be feeding information, to the body’s energetic control system, just so that the body uses energy more efficiently, and it operates more efficiently. So again yeah, it’s really those two principles of how we help heal people. And then from a practical point of view, it’s like we scan them so we can see where the energetic blockages are in that energetic control system. We give them pharmaceuticals, to help correct the energy control system. And then the third bit is just coaching people with better lifestyle habits, stress, stress habits, so that they can optimize how they’re exchanging energy with the environment. So, they have the energy to heal. That’s basically bioenergetics in a nut shell.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I think that’s a really a good way of explaining it. Let me take an opportunity to say I’ve always, as well because of my training in acupuncture and my training in homeopathy and other natural approaches. Is I’ve always conceptualized, the way we are as human beings, essentially from the ground up, it’s like a pyramid. The base of the pyramid is chemistry. Well, actually the base of the pyramid is tissue, right? So you touch your hand, you feel tissue, but what’s the tissue made of? It’s made of molecules. So the molecules control the tissue, but what controls the molecules? In other words, the chemistry, what controls the chemistry physics.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. Unseen, untouched, but it controls everything like the rotation of the planet, the sun, and EV. All the other aspects of the universe that we don’t control, but that control us and what controls physics. So physics controls chemistry. That’s also something that most people just do not get, including most doctors.
Harry Massey
I split the physics bit into an energy and information. So I put information right at the top, and it’s information that’s governing or directing energy. And obviously, when you have energy and information, another way of looking at it, is with Einstein’s equation E equals MC squared, where he is basically saying energy is equivalent to matter.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Matter.
Harry Massey
And like the subtle seed for me it’s not quite energy’s it’s information and energy equals matter. And then, there’s another great Einstein quote, that he would say that the sole governing force. No, he says the field is the sole governing force of the particle. And like, if you apply that to healing, I would say the body field is the sole governing force of life, which is basically what you’re saying with physics in the end controls life and everything.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, I said physics, but I said, what’s above physics though. Quantum physics.
Harry Massey
Yeah, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. And then what’s above quantum physics. I end up with spirit.
Harry Massey
The spirit yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The other undefinable right. Now in terms of matter and molecules, all molecules and all elements of the universe have spectrographic signatures. That’s how we map planets. So what kind of planet is this? What is the structure of this planet? We do spectrographic analyses of that, but we can do spectrographic analysis of the body as well, all the different elements, and in a sense with the energetic and printing, what you’re doing is you’re printing it with the spectrographic picture of that element. And then printing it into a solution, that carries waves, carries frequencies.
Harry Massey
Yeah. And also you can because it’s also like raw information. So, if there’s lots of examples. So like the heart producers are, this like sort of love dub type sound or the nervous system produces, alpha and Delta ways. We can record the information of like a perfectly shaped heartbeat or nervous system just by feeding that information into the body. Those organs then basically start replicating that information, which is pretty interesting. I mean, it’s sort of quite close to thought and consciousness, which is another sort of analogy, of the body’s healing system, but yeah, you can directly tap in to the information, obviously your brain. I mean, you could argue whether it’s from your brain or not, but your body normally is always healing itself. And, just providing the information to the rest of the body to sort of keep it healthy. unfortunately in disease, you get blocks and that blocks information, it gets distorted and people get sick, but you can say, you can direct, you can intervene and provide that positive information back to the body. And the body responds in a beautiful way. And I think we were talking about homeopathy earlier, but it’s sort of like the opposite of homeopathy. Cause in homeopathy, it’s a more of a homeotic type mechanism where you’re take, you’re basically taking something negative that would cause the symptom. And then you are asking the body.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
How similar pathology.
Harry Massey
Yeah. You’re asking the body to provide the positive information, to overcome it and heal it. And our thinking was like, well, why don’t we bypass the response part and just provide, the positive information in the first place. So that anyway, that’s the.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I get that and that I think that’s a critical distinction. So for example, if you have E B V in your body, the E B V is providing information to the body about itself.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And it’s causing the body to try to become more like it, that was in the body becomes more like the virus than it does itself. Right.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And what we do in medicine classically is we attack it, with antivirals or antibacterials or anti well, anti-anything basically right. But what, you’re saying, if I’m, and I think I’m getting you right here is that you’re saying here’s the cell, in which the E BV is living. And EVB trying to take over that cell to become like cell, if you will. And what you’re saying, is that let’s make the cell healthier.
Harry Massey
Exactly. And we have this range of pharmaceuticals, that we call energetic range. There’s 16 in which cover all the broad viral families. And so just like of what, so the opposite is a virus that’s basically taking over the DNA and an RNA replication machine, making more of itself and damaging the body. Instead, we can provide the information to the cell, to say, well, basically it retakes over the sort of the replication mechanism and then just provide produces health. It just starts producing healthy proteins and it basically negates the message from that virus. And then it ends up making the cellular terrain more healthy again. And when the cellular terrain is healthy, basically the virus won’t flourish and it dies and go and goes away. So yeah, it’s exactly that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s a positive approach as opposed to an anti or a negative approach.
Harry Massey
Yeah. And I think, I’ve thought about it a long time and I mean, they both work, but I definitely prefer the positive approach and there’s arguments that you could do both. You could do both together or do the whole homeotic negative thing, for a few weeks and then go into the positive. And I mean, in our company we just go with a positive, we don’t worry about it. Cause it gets too complicated. But I think in you, you could oscillate the two would be interesting.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, and I would say that the anti approach carries anti risk. Right. So an antibiotic, while it may kill the bugs. Has all kinds of side effects as well.
Harry Massey
Yeah, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. Because it’s not only acting on the bug, it’s also acting in a whole lot of other ways in that terrain.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
One analogy I guess would be a Fort. If you got a group of people attacking you create a stronger Fort, it doesn’t matter what they do. The Fort is not gonna collapse. Right.
Harry Massey
Exactly. Well, the interesting thing is the whole, like so, the pure medicine, antivirals and antibiotics, obviously they’re not good cause they have all these other toxic side effects. But even in natural medicine, like most herbal medicine is actually a whole, actually works through Hormesis. And so like whole form is slightly toxic to the heart, but it strengthens the heart or what’s that stuff. Like milk crystal or dandelion is a slightly toxic for the liver, but the liver ends up creating more bile and it ends up cleaning out the liver. So I dunno, it’s sort of fascinating, a natural medicine, mostly works from Hormesis. So that’s what I meant by, I think you could, you can go in with an approach, of Hormesis and the positive, but oscillate the two, I mean, doing both at the same time’s probably a bit, I don’t know. It might negate each other, but you could do one for two weeks and another for two weeks.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, let’s not everybody necessarily knows what Hormesis is. So what did you define Hormesis?
Harry Massey
Sure. Hormesis is this idea of a little bit of stress is good for the body. And the body responds by strengthening itself versus a lot of stress. Like, a lot of, well, like, I don’t know if you’re going through a divorce and moving house that would, or.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Having, an airplane landing on your head.
Harry Massey
Yeah. Or an airplane landing on head, or you took a very large amount of whatever the substance was like, if the toxic load is too much, you don’t have enough energy and resources to overcome it. So that’s bad but a very low dose of something, a bit negative actually, the body, as long as you have enough energy. And that’s really the crucial thing. If you have enough energy, the body will strengthen, become more resilient to it. Now that bit’s really the key ’cause if your energy is low and especially if I go back to my case, when I was sick for all those years, my energy was too low and I was trying all those herbal things and homeopathy in and all these other things and it didn’t work. And the reason it didn’t work is ’cause my energy was too low to actually generate this response to the Hormesis. And that’s why for me, where I was positive information pharmaceuticals work so well because I didn’t need energy to respond against that. The Hormesis. And so I guess that’s another little rule that we would have, is like when people get stronger and healthier in introducing Hormesis then is a good thing. But early on in the process, we prefer the positive information approach.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah. And I think you made a good point. About sort of more gentle approaches to the body and that the body does take time to repair. No matter what we do. If you break an arm, if you break a bone, the body will repair it given time.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Normally a broken bone will not repair overnight typically.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And I think as much as we like, we can imagine that we have the absolute amount of energy overnight.
Harry Massey
How so, I read some Russian research with around this device called to ski. That will speed up. Like that will speed up bone healing. I think by five or six times normal rate, I was curious what’s the PMF in, I assume PMF increases the repair rate by a lot.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah. ski R is again more of an electrical approach. And again, it’s a signaling approach, the primary value of PMF therapy. Other than the fact that you can design signals and you can design frequencies to also deliver information with those frequencies, but a large part of the basis with which I work, is the fact that the magnetic fields, passing through the body, stimulate charge in the body by stimulating charge in the body. You’re increasing the amount of energy in the body. And that gives the body more resources with which to.
Harry Massey
PMF is a perfect well, it’s a perfect compliment to the information side that we are talking about. But.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah, I would tend to agree with you. They don’t really contradict each other.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Because again, it’s certain in my perspective, it’s less about frequency than it is about the energy. And the research in physics says it’s the ups slope of the curve of the each pulse in the magnetic field that does all the work, the cells that ups slope of the curve stimulate the energy production. In other words, induces charge and that’s called Faraday’s law. So most of my work has to do with Faraday’s law rather than it does to do with frequency matching and frequency following and entrainment and so on.
Harry Massey
Yeah. Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that’s why they can’t compliment.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So what’s BWS?
Harry Massey
Oh, that’s the system that we were describing. So that’s the bioenergetics wellness systems. It’s basically the system that will scan. You work out which pharmaceuticals or which place use are my health device. And yeah, it basically does the analysis.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So your process then basically is that you do testing, you go to a practitioner and you do a my health evaluation, right? A scan.
Harry Massey
Yes. So you can do a scan with a physical device, like my health, these days you can also do it through voice through, through the internet. So then yes, then basically you can just have a zoom call, Skype call of your practitioner and they can pull up all the results on the screen. Right then.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
How does that work through voice?
Harry Massey
Oh, you mentioned the quantum word earlier. So we have to go down the quantum rabbit hole, as another Einstein, like Einstein never really liked, he called it spooky action of the distance, but in quantum, and there’s other words of saying this, like the holographic universe, or from a spiritual context, it’s consciousness, if you like, but basically everything is absolutely interconnected and you can transfer energy and information remotely at a distance. So when I say it’s voice, and this comes out of the field of radionics and distance feelings, another way of putting it, but basically when we take a voice recording, I say we the universe, global consciousness, quantum, whatever word you want to use, basically tags, to that tags, the voice to that person. Like, it knows it’s that person. And then basically in the cloud, in our software, we can scan that voice imprint, like across the 440 different tests. And like, if there’s a strong response. So with like, you’re using EAV and you get this response where you can, you can actually do that in a computer. Like you can write a computer program that will ask, is Harry’s body a match to this healthy liver, healthy kidney. And when it’s a very strong match, you’ll get a strong response. Or if it’s a weak match, you get a weak match, but I might be over complicating it but basically it’s not technically the voice we are just using the voice to remotely connect the scan space. It’s a horrible quantum answer.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And a quantum, again, from a quantum perspective, there is no such thing as distance.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. So even though there’s somebody remotely assessing your voice, the other thing that happens too is, and we know this ’cause we Sheri Rupert, Sheri has discovered this as well, is that somebody’s imagining somebody else at a distance in Australia, right. You’re sitting there working at your desk and all of a sudden somebody pops into your head, Joe uncle, Joe pops into your mind. And uncle Joe is in Australia and you’re in New York city.
Harry Massey
Yeah. That’s the thing you can do through, you can use a photo, you can use voice, you could write their name and date of birth, just from a, honestly from a consumer point of view, it’s easier for people just to go, oh, they’re doing it from my voice. But I say it’s a more complicated answer, the truth, but that sounds.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
It’s more. And when you’re doing that analysis, you’re also not only are you projecting your voice, you’re projecting yourself.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. You’re projecting more than your electromagnetic signature in a sense. And a recently well.
Harry Massey
We’ve actually found the voice for that reason because people put their intention and consciousness into their voice and print.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Exactly.
Harry Massey
We actually found it’s more accurate than the hand scanner, which has been fascinating. And we didn’t know that we would, but, AF after it being on the market for a year, our practitioners basically reported that they found the voice side more accurate and like it what we weren’t expecting that, but it’s good.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
There was a paper I just read recently a physics paper and I’m not a physicist. So this was tough sledding for me basically said that what happens in the current flowing into wire. So a magnetic field is made by current flowing through a wire. But this physics paper said that molecules, the electrons are barely moving in that wire. So we used to think that they’re moving in the wire.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But they’re barely moving in the wire, but the electrons are bumping into each other. And when they bump into each other, they create an electric field and a magnetic field traveling at the speed of light.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s why when you project, you have a thought, you start to have thought that you’re projecting those thought, you think of this person that you’re connecting to elsewhere on the planet. Right. Then almost instantaneously. There’s a connection.
Harry Massey
Yeah, yeah. I know. I mean, that’s sort of where the future of healing can go because I mean, you can’t well and it’s not just the analysis. You can treat people remotely too. I mean, we generally don’t because the most of the world don’t necessarily accept that, but in theory you can like, and we do have, I dunno if I’ve got one on, I haven’t got one on me, but so our practitioners might, will take my health put it on the treatment. That’s needed for the person. And then they’ll use their mind to project the information that’s being emitted from the my health. they’re basically just holding a picture of that, that person in their head. And they’ve got the intention of the healing effect they want. And they’re using their consciousness to bridge the information from our device to remotely to the patient. But yeah, I dunno how many, I’ve probably about 30% of our practitioners are doing things like that, but we don’t generally see it as a company.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well that brings us, I guess, to a point where we have to say people who may be listening, they’re either open-minded to all this and already understand a little bit about homeopathy and radionics so on. But I suspect a lot of people will not. And to some extent, this is gonna be unbelievable.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And if anybody’s read, Rupert child RA, you can understand how he’s proven that it’s unbelievable, but it’s that it’s real. So from your perspective, then can you give us some examples of cases other than your.
Harry Massey
On yeah, yeah. So 2008, we made this film called the living matrix, which ended up the best selling health documentary. It was basically we followed. Well, so we interviewed whatever it was like six or seven different scientists and experts in this field, along with some practitioners. And then along with some patients who’ve been healed through this and I’ll give you some examples. So there was this great boy with who had cerebral palsy. He couldn’t open his wrists and he couldn’t walk properly. And then anyway, so an energy heal basically, what they’re really doing is they’re basically visualizing them walking again and being healthy and their hands curling. They, visualize for this boy. And then this boy ended up getting off the, actually getting off this massage table on stage and walking off and then was able uncurl his hand. And I was that story came out when I was in interviewing the practitioner. I was like oh, I don’t know if I believe that, but I went and flew out to Greece met the family, met the boy, met the, their normal traditional doctor and the hospital and all of that. And anyway, the whole thing check checked out. So that was quite a nice example. I think Edgar Mitchell, who he founded the Institute in no sciences and is the second national in space. I think. So he had a tumor on his kidneys, a different heal name is a different healer, basically just remotely, visualized his tumor gang and his kidneys. And learned behold on the scans anyway. Yeah, he resolved his cancer tumor, I say and those examples you can watch in that film, that the living matrix, you can hear it from their mouse, go in our nest world. We’ve seen insane. I mean, I’m a fairly insane story. Cause I was bedridden. Obviously I’m running a company these days, but some of the weird, this is a really weird one. it’s so weird. I don’t know if I should say it, but I’ll say it. So there was a boy in Holland and he had, I don’t remember exactly.
Anyway, he had some sort of disease with his pancreas where he had to have a plastic tube in there to sort of replace what the pancreas was doing. And anyway he was using in pharmaceuticals and then I think every two or three months, he would have to go back to the hospital to have this, whatever, what the tubes replaced and the frigging anyway. So he got completely better, which the hospital could not understand, but this is the weird bit, the tube disappeared. So that’s just, it’s second half in his body. Yeah. And we filmed that the living made tricks and I didn’t put it in the film because. It sounded too unbelievable. And I never managed to go and interview in the hospital, but, the practitioner and the boy and that family did, they all verified it, but I wanted the photos and the hospital and I couldn’t get that, but to put it in the film. But anyway I’ve definitely seen some very weird things and there’s stories of like, chi gong, well say with chi gong masters, they’ll like if someone has a tumor they’ll just visualize that person as completely healthy and there being no tumor. And then I say again, these tumors disappear. And I’ve read, seen, interviewed enough people to know, and I’ve had enough experiences with, our pharmaceuticals on myself to sort of know it’s to know it’s valid and the unfortunate doesn’t work every time. I mean, that would be great, but it does it the more well intended and the sort of the better the consciousness of the practitioner the more likely it is, well, I would call it’s little more of a trifecta. I think like the client patient has to believe that, the practitioner has to be sort of in tune in the good consciousness and then whatever the therapy is, should be good too. And I think if all three line up, most of the time you’re gonna see amazing results. But, if one of the parties is super skeptical and the like the quantum entanglement part won’t work. And so it doesn’t happen, but.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah well, so we have to give it time. We do have to, as you said, have a certain level of belief, cause you’re part of that healing process. In other words we can’t heal somebody.
Harry Massey
Yeah. No having.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Having.
Harry Massey
Faith getting better. I mean maybe I left that out of my story and part of, I think the story for me, well obviously I believed in Peter, but then, I had this purpose of like, wasn’t just trying to heal myself as when, if we create this system, it can help, it can help others. And byproduct is all, I’ll get better on the way, but I do. Yeah. I do think in life having a strong purpose is really helpful. And honestly without one why do you even want to get better? if you don’t have a reason to get better, it’s quite hard to get better.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I totally agree with you. Well, you have to accept that there’s a possibility for healing. You’ll probably have to quiet down all the other voices around you that are saying, this is a stupid idea, right? So you have to just believe in yourself and then take the opportunity to have that an interaction with somebody, who has that healing intention as well. But you also have, you were gonna talk about study done or research done at UC San Diego.
Harry Massey
Oh yeah. That’s on ongoing at the moment. So it was a few different things. So we met at this first school professor Hemel, he’s the vice chair of the cardiology department, university California. And he got dragged to a Joda spender event by a friend. And basically he’s the one who’s been he’s ended up heading up. A lot of the sort of research actually is exactly what we’re talking about. Like distance healing for Joda Spencer. And anyway, I met him at that event and was telling him about pharmaceutical and then he very, he very kindly offered to do research on them. Now this started in the horrible COVID era. So like all these universities, they were obsessed with COVID research. So the first set of experiments they did, they took one. In fact, one of our energetic terrains it’s called E two that, has a, I’m not gonna say it cures, but let’s just say it has a match to coronavirus. And anyway, so he took lung tissue, how I explain it, sorry. So in the lab they can grow cultures of different organ tissues. So they took lung tissue.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Oh yeah.
Harry Massey
And then they basically infected the lung tissue with COVID. And then they have a way where they can see the level of infection and penetration or whether the lung tissue is rejecting the virus. And then so then they have their control and then they have their control tissue. And then the other tissue is being fed a medium that has our E two pharmaceutical in it. And that basically showed, a 40% increase in rejection of infection. They then did it. They just had some aids virus lying around and they did it with aids. I don’t know why you would do aids in lung tissue, but they did. I think it’s literally just cause they had some in the lab. So that had a 50% extra rejection rate, now because from a company, honestly there’s no way we can’t advertise or make any claims around Corona. So it’s interesting. There’s not much commercially we can do about it. So anyway, so we’ve gone down some line of some other experiments. The, next experiment they did was on neural stem cells. And they just wanted to see if we could in increase the growth rate of neural stem cells. And anyway, in short they managed to double the growth rate of neural stem cells, using it’s another remedy that we call co H matrix, but it’s basically just another pharmaceutical. So that’s really promising. And that one’s turning into a paper, cause say we can’t, I don’t really want to publish the COVID one but we do wanna publish that one.
So that one’s ongoing. And then another one they’re looking at is, basically the cell membrane, how to describe it. So it’s cell membrane integrity. So it’s looking at the flexibility or hot or stiffness of the cell membrane. And there’s an optimal level of like flexibility where the cell membrane, doesn’t let in the bad stuff, viruses, toxins and obviously it needs to be relatively flexible, to exchange nutrients. And they’ve been doing a lot of research with Gulf war, Gulf war syndrome, people, and basically noticing a lot of, I think a lot of veterans had. I think it, I can’t remember which way around, I think it was stiffer. No, I don’t think it was stiffer. I think their cell membranes were too weak and flexible and anyways on a different set of [Indistinct]. Cause I just one called cell driver that they managed to optimize the cell membrane, the soul membrane stiffness and Well, it’s really exciting for us cause in this field, it’s like there’s a lot of us doing these things and we are getting the results, but it’s quite difficult to get universities to do fundamental research, to prove out a lot of these concepts. So yeah, it’s an exciting time. So we should, we’ll have free papers coming out this year. Once they have to repeat all these experiments and go through all the ethics boards and all this stuff to get it published, that’s on its way up. And then we’re doing a human trial as well. Although I’m slightly, like it’s a bit more expensive when we can involve human.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Alright.
Harry Massey
Which is the horrible bit. But anyway, that’s on me and that’s actually ’cause well we’re doing a trial for our wearable ’cause we’re launching this consumer company later this year that will basically provide these, if you like digital pharmaceuticals straight into the body. And so say while we’ve got these initial experiments that are proven proving its effect on tissue. So we need to prove its effect on the body as a whole. So that trial starting in July and should be complete by September in time for launch in November. So yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
People can look out for the launch of that new product.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So right now, if people wanna get access to testing, wanna get access to the pharmaceuticals, how do they do that?
Harry Massey
It’s pretty simple. You just go to netneshelp.com. We got like 1500 practitioners around the states on energy in Europe and Australia as well. Cause yeah, there’s a practitioner locator on there, so you can either see them in person, if you wanna do it remotely, you can just do it remotely using voice as well. Which what most people are doing. If you’re really interested in like learning about bioenergetics, we also offer like a bioenergetics, coaching course, which is also on the NES health.com site. And I’d say as a, or if you just want to experience the wearable, it’s too early, actually I dunno when there’s Summit’s coming out. So maybe it’s not too early, but it that’s on energy for life.com, but you could just sign up there and when it’s ready.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that’s energy and then F,O,R not number four.
Harry Massey
Number four. Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The number four energy, Energy then the number four and help.com.
Harry Massey
Yeah. We’re gonna do a bio summit in November also with you where we’ll be going deeper in a lot of these subjects.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Wonderful. And you mentioned the movie, you mentioned the living matrix. I think there were several movies weren’t there?
Harry Massey
There’s several movies, but for the context of bioenergetics, The living matrix, movie.com. That’s the one to watch. There’s another called Soup Charge. There’s another called Choice Point Align Purpose, which is another pretty good film, but they say the main energy MES living matrix. And what else? Books. Yeah, there’s I mean on Amazon, if you look up our name, there’s a few books we’ve written, but probably I would say there’s an introduction to bioenergetics book and then there’s decoding human body field as the.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The big, your name Harry Massey.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Okay fantastic. Let’s, I want to talk about something that you and I discussed a little bit earlier. So we’re talking about integrating PMF therapy with energetics bioenergetics, and there’s no reason that they can’t integrate, they’re doing different things so they can be very complimentary. So one of the elements that I had seen in the past with magnetic therapy and EAV, so EAV stands for Electro Acupuncture, according to V,O,L,L. So this is, there are devices that are available that people, could actually have that kind of EAV testing. So there are lots of practitioners who are doing that, surprisingly not more than you’d think, but there are some, so this picture that I’m sharing with you shows you before and after, the left one is before and the second one is after. So there were two patients that were tested with EAV and in the equipment that does the EAV, they test a lot of channels at the same time. So basically you’re doing testing on individual finger points and hand points and so on. So they’re called the EAV points in the body. So that’s a map of the EAV points. And this is a, the one on the left is the pre and it shows you that red is hyperactive or hyper excitable or inflamed.
Green is balanced and yellow which doesn’t show off too often here is underactive. So these individuals happen to be more hyperactive, hyper inflamed had more inflammation processes going on in the body. So that’s before and then afterwards you could see what happened is all, most of the reds cleared out. So the magnetic field therapy, then in a sense, in one energetic sense can describe it as shaking the ashes off the embers. So you have the ashes on the embers, which are creating the heat as well. But you wanna get down to the true heat, what’s really causing the heat, in this case the inflammation. And so what happens then is that now you have with a map, you basically have a map of the points that are truly hot, as opposed to let’s say noise or disinformation if you will. And the same thing happened to the second person on the right side. A lot of the reds disappeared, with the magnetic field therapy. It shook the ashes off the embers and revealed the truly underlying problems in the body, the energetic problems.
Harry Massey
I think what was also nice about it is, it just show from our sort of theory of like, the body battery theory that you need more energy to heal, but also you want the en the energetic control system. Well, to be unblocked. I think this shows quite beautifully how, when you’re putting more magnetic energy into the body, it’s basically helping to restore, that energetic control system.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Maybe a very simple analogy would be a dog shaking itself right. To get the dust off its coat.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. To open up actually all of the hairs and so there’s more airflow on the animal’s coat. So this then tells us that we have again, one of the possibilities would be whatever energetic work you’re doing. You could do magnetic field therapy because it’s a different principle. Do that first, shake the ashes off the embers, clear out the coat, clear the terrain. And then when you do your pharmaceutical, they’re gonna be much more effective because they’re not being blocked by a lot of other sort of counter action.
Harry Massey
Yeah well, it’s those two things you want, you want there to be excess energy available, and then you want the right instructions to the body’s control system. So it knows how to heal. And yeah, I think that’d beautifully complimentary like that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah. Cause if you increase the energy in the body, then the body’s got more resources to use the information that you’re giving it to do a better job. So it’s gonna do better, faster. And they shouldn’t interfere with each other frequency based systems could potentially have an issue, but pulse magnetic therapy is just a single pulse going one at a time.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So it’s not likely to interfere with other frequencies.
Harry Massey
Yeah no, it’s a beautiful compliment.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So anything else you want to leave us with?
Harry Massey
I think we covered everything pretty well. Maybe the only thing I didn’t totally describe is the wearable that might be interesting for people. So basically the wearable is there to detect correct and protect your energy. It is using like TCM pulse analysis, to look at your energy and mainly it’s looking at it from a TCM five element point of view. So it can tell you where you are on these different emotional scales. So from like impatience to joy from an anxiety to faith from frustration to decisiveness and the ideas because of negative emotions and stress. They actually burn up a lot of your energy. And as to what we were saying earlier, we really wanna help people to restore their energies. If you have energy then you heal. It helps give you insight to where you’re just wasting energy that through negative emotions and then it helps correct it through basically these digital pharmaceuticals, that’s directly communicating your ingested control system. And then protect your energy part. We sort of invented a I dunno, a slightly updated meditation that we’re calling an annotation, that’s basically an energetically imprinted meditation. That’s basically there to help provide wisdom to transform these negative emotions, these sort of more positive characteristics. But at the same time, it’s imprinting you with the right information for that annotation. So it has more of an impact. And then it helps get you into the parasympathetic system, etcetera. And you can use it as a time to focus your focus, your intention and consciousness on whatever you want. I mean, it might be to heal. It might be to have better relationships, might be a business swing, whatever it is. So yeah. Anyway, overall it’s a wearable that will detect correct. And protect your energy and it will be available in November. I get everything done in time.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
By then. Now that will be directly available to individuals, to the consumer to the public. Or would you have to go through the practitioners again?
Harry Massey
No that one’s direct. So it’s own consumer company outside of the nest world.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah okay. What will that website be called.
Harry Massey
Energy.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
For life com. Yeah okay. Can they get any more information right now? Can they go to that website now and get information?
Harry Massey
Yeah. I mean it describes what it is and you can sign up for when it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Or newsletters and notifications about arrivals and times.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah fantastic. So energy, the number four life.com.
Harry Massey
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Fantastic. Well Harry, thank you very much for an enlightening session. Wonderful time together. Good hear about your own health.
Harry Massey
Definitely. Your one of the best you’re one of the best interviews I’ve had. Cause most people don’t understand the subject, but it’s nice to have a discussion.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well I’ve in my practice, in my life. I’ve tried to introduce this kind of these concepts, but most people are just not open to it. They’re hap so the people, I assume the people who will come and listen to this interview will be more open to the idea. And now we could take whatever you’re doing, no matter whether it’s P EMFs and or supplements and nutrition and lifestyle, you can add those now to a subtle energy approach that would probably get you better, farther and longer. Generally, I would say.
Harry Massey
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And in the end, there’s no harm ’cause it’s basically information in printed in, in water. So if you are a bit skeptical, I’d say it’s worth trying because, well, obviously I know the results, but yeah. it’s not gonna harm you. It’s not like taking some horrible toxic.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The harm may be that you’ll get better than you thought you would.
Harry Massey
Yeah, I know exactly.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, and the people around, you will say, I don’t believe this. I don’t believe this. So.
Harry Massey
That doesn’t matter ’cause you’re better. Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s right you got it. Yeah, all right. Again, thank you so much Harry. Enjoy the rest of your day. Be well.
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