Is Carbon 60 A Cure All Compound?

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, glad to be on.

Kashif Khan

And I remember meeting you at a conference in Arizona, and you had this bottle, you said, try this stuff. I said, there’s a lot of bottles here of the different things to try and, you know, I don’t need anymore. Then you started talking and my mind got blown, and I tried it. So, you know, I actually got some from you guys. The funny thing is that one of your business colleagues gave me some to try. And I left my laptop and two bottles of Carbon 60 sitting at my desk at this conference. And when I came back, my laptop was there, but somebody stole the two bottles of Carbon 60. So just if there’s anything we need to say today, that’s it, like to understand how powerful and important this stuff is, that’s what happens. So anyways, again, thanks for joining us. We got a lot to cover to help people understand, but first of all, why do people need this? What’s going on with Carbon 60?

Kenneth Swartz

Okay. Carbon 60 is one of the most powerful antioxidants known, but it’s very selective. And hopefully if your listeners are in the science zone. What C60 is, it’s an SOD mimic, that’s superoxide dismutase.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

And it’s one of the primary antioxidants used in the mitochondria to process superoxide, which is the most damaging oxidative radical in the body. SOD and catalase work together. SOD turns superoxide into hydrogen peroxide. Then catalase turns it into water and oxygen. So, and the problem is, those two supplements, those two antioxidants cannot be supplemented for. So as you get older and those levels go down, there was no current treatment for that. Basically, it would take a long time and have a little effect. Well, with the discovery of C60, which is a relatively new molecule, especially in the health space, it appears that C60 is technically an SOD mimic, and can take up the slack as people’s SOD levels drop.

Kashif Khan

And people will hear like, as we’ve been having discussions with various professionals, they’ll hear SOD2 keep coming up, ’cause genetically, we look at it, we look at how well do you deal with antioxidation, which is this key factor in aging and cellular health. And we can look at the SOD2 gene to determine, you know, that sort of chimney you’re supposed to have that clears all this toxic such from the, you know, the mitochondrial function. How well do you do that? But it, just to your point, there’s no specific recommendation. It’s like go support the mitochondria, go support detox, which is the phase two. Once you’re having done a good job of clearing it, now it’s in your blood. You gotta deal with that. So, how is this different? How is this like so targeted and focused there?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, I could probably go a little bit over on the C60 story.

Kashif Khan

Sure.

Kenneth Swartz

Just to get your audience up. And if you can see behind me on the screen, basically C60 is a molecule of 60 carbon atoms. It shaped exactly like a little soccer ball, about 0.7 nanometers in diameter. And it was discovered in 1985, solved a long-standing mystery in astronomy, but the discoverers got a Nobel Prize in chemistry in 1996 for its discovery. And it’s sort of unique. It’s this kind of spherical cage like hollow structure. And of course, they had never didn’t really do it. It was hard to make, they didn’t do any testing until the early 2000s. And when they did, they found it in the, like the famous butchery study, it increased the lifespan of test handles by 90%, which is kind of, you know, a surprising considering it’s a, you know, this weird molecule that was discovered in outer space.

Kashif Khan

That’s pretty cool. So then, where did the time come where people started to say it’s time to injustice and see what happens?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, it was after the toxicity study, right?

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

When they doubled the lifespan. Then they did it with mice. The thing is the mice lived a really, really long time. So the actual last couple, few mice in the study actually had terrible fate sleep. Kind of came to an end, so the study could be published. So possibly C60 would’ve been increased their lifespan even more. And then another study was done in mice, which have much shorter lifespans and found a significant increase in their life. And it also prevented cognitive decline associated with aging in mice. And so, and then they went on to, like, mine, it was a radiation. I was working on the metal oxygen fusion reactor. I was running the program. And so I had like a crew there and everybody else that had been working on this, you know, this unique fusion process was the late doctor this, and the late doctor that. So I didn’t wanna end up, me and my crew doing that. So I took, I researched C60. I discovered this stuff, you know, they gave one set of rats, got Carbon 60, the other set of rats didn’t. They hit them with a fatal dose of radiation. All the C60 rats live, whereas the control rats immediately died. So when I learned that, I started taking it. And about eight months later, I went to my eye doctor. My drusen or dry macular degeneration had disappeared.

Kashif Khan

Wow. And that’s funny, ’cause I was just talking to an ophthalmologist literally on Monday, so two days ago, just so, I don’t know when people are gonna hear this, but it’s now Wednesday. So, and he told me that he’s working on some medical device for dry macular degeneration, ’cause he said there’s currently no treatment.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. Well, technically there is because the FDA doesn’t approve C60 for anything, obviously. But yeah, there was, there is virtually none. And I talked to my eye doctor after, you know, we went through the whole thing ’cause he was surprised. He’d never seen it happen in his many years of practice and he’s in his 70s.

Kashif Khan

Wow.

Kenneth Swartz

And then in my head, a friend, Gary Rodriguez, he was the electrical engineer on the project. So I made it an MCT Coconut Oil, ’cause Rodriguez, right? He had type two diabetes.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

So not only did it get rid of his macular degeneration about a year and a half taking a tablespoon a day, but his type two diabetes also disappeared. You know, this is just anecdotal.

Kashif Khan

I understand it’s anecdotal, but it’s powerful because anecdote is where you start. There’s gotta be a theory in the first place, right? And use the proofs in the pudding, it happened. But how do you take something like diabetes where, you know, based on insulin response, maybe they’re eating the wrong way. Did he also change his diet habits? Is it truly like, he took this and this, his insulin response improved, we know why it happened.

Kenneth Swartz

We don’t know. No, he was already on the diet.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

He was already on the medications, ’cause this was a chronic problem for him.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

And he had been done all the things, right? But it was still, everything was progressing. But with Carbon 60, it did different. Now one of the things is, any like for instance, the first thing people notice when they take Carbon 60, is an increase in like mental clarity, the brain fog goes away.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

And then they get like an increase in energy, and like motivation. It just comes back and it really goes down to, if you look in the body, obviously C60 is an SOD mimic. So any cell type that has a large number of mitochondria in it is probably gonna be affected or benefit from C60’s appearance. And so the number one cell type in the body, which has the most mitochondria are the nerve cells.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

That’s what the retina is part of the brain actually. And so that’s what it is. And then the second part is the endocrine system.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

Because they have this, that’s the second highest level of mitochondria. But basically, what people don’t know, the mitochondria also make the precursor molecule for all the hormones pregnenolone.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

So when you take C60, they actually synthesize it from LDL cholesterol. So we found people that take C60, their LDL cholesterol goes down, which indicates on the backside that it’s going into pregnenolone. And of course, people also have a much increase. So like for instance, in your adrenal glands, if your adrenal glands can now produce more pregnenolone because their mitochondria are working, then you get the mineralocorticoids, that balances like the blood thickness. And you also get the glucocorticoids, which are the ones that balance blood sugar. So insulin resistance technically would go down and you get the androgens, which of course go into the various sex hormones, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, depending on who you are. And of course the same with the human growth hormone, and the thyroid, the thymus, the pineal gland. Hormone levels go up everywhere in the body. But it’s not like hormone replacement therapy. You’re making the precursor pregnenolone, and then the body converts it to whatever it needs to be, whenever it needs it.

Kashif Khan

Right. And this is where there’s this gap in one, what anecdotal means, ’cause I know you said that the outcome for one individual’s anecdotal but everything you just talked about is already scientifically published and known, right? The what those biological pathways, what the body’s actually doing, that’s not disputed by anybody. So we do know the why.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes.

Kashif Khan

We’re not directly trying to prove that that’s what happened, but it’s pretty clear that if you change this, you know, glucose levels change, insulin response changes, and that’s why you could eventually cure diabetes. So it’s eventually, it’s kind of like filling the gaps in with what we already know. You just have the tool now, the trigger, which didn’t exist before.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. Yeah. And then we’ve been learning all along this, you know, this is constant study and the mass of a, there’s just so many science reports. And then when you do the, you have the science reports on C60, then you have to go into, I have masters in basic science biogeochemistry, but then you have to go digging in to whatever chemical or biological pathway and put this all together. And so we’ve been doing it, not just us, but you know, there’s a lot of friendly, other C60 companies.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

I know it’s a very small community, so we talk to each other. And so we share information and data that we get. So we can all come to better idea of what’s actually going on here.

Kashif Khan

And you know, you say small community, but there’s many thousands of people that are working with you right now in terms of, you know, actively.

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, yes.

Kashif Khan

Preaching by, this is what makes me feel better.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. ‘Cause you know, two years ago, C60 was pretty much unknown.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

Two years ago, it’s ’cause just completely unknown thing. And now it’s come into, you know, there was only like a handful of like four of us producing C60 products, and now it’s exploded like the CBD market did.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

So there’s some, you have to be careful on where you buy it because they’ve had a lot of the fly-by-nighters who have come in. But yeah, the whole, it’s like pre-adapter stage.

Kashif Khan

So, what does somebody look out for when you’re saying that there’s a fly-by-nighter? Is there a difference in product quality, like pixie dusting? What’s the problem?

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. There’s basically three things you have to look for. You wanna look for purity. And you wanna go for 99.99% purity or maybe 99.998% purity because that goes to the second point, which is how your C60 is produced. Now our C60 is sublimated. And for the listeners out there, sublimation is the cousin of evaporation. It’s when a solid turns into a gas and then condense back into a solid. Then obviously, we take the production ashes, we put it in the sublimator and then heat it up to 400 degrees Celsius. The C60 vaporizers, goes to the other side of the sublimator, condenses. That’s how we get our 99.99% pure C60. Now the main method that people do and most products out there, they use the solvent method and they basically use methyl benzene to dissolve the C60 out of the production ashes. And of course, you know, methyl benzene, toluene, it’s a little bit of a toxic industrial chemical. And then once they get their C60 purified, then they bake the C60 again and again, to get out as much of a toluene, methyl benzene as they can, but there’s always a little bit left. And, you know, even if you have a 99.99% product, it’s probably safe for you if it came from the solvent method, but there’s a lot of guys out there selling 99.9%, right?

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

So that 0.1% is toluene or some people even sell 99.5%. So that, you know, 0.5% of the C60 is toluene, and you know, you really don’t wanna be ingesting an industrial solvent because, you know, that’s kind of a counteracting effect that C60 is there for in the first place.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. This is a big challenge when you’re dealing with anything that has a label in terms of its net outcome, but not what it took to process it. Something like, for example, a natural flavor. Sounds good, it’s a natural flavor, but how many dozens of chemicals were used to process and, you know, get that thing into the product you’re eating. Same thing with supplementation and ingredients. It’s one thing to know, okay, I had the ingredient. One thing, how did it get into the delivery mechanism that it’s in. And people don’t often consider that. It’s not something that’s required to even describe or label. So the easiest way to avoid all that is just look for a purity. Like you said, if there’s purity there, there’s nothing else there, right?

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, and you should also look at this. They just came out, this independent research group went out and looked at the common consumer products in your supermarket.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And they found that 25% of them had dangerous levels of benzene.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

Right? 25% of the products you get in the grocery store. Obviously there’s some, you know, the FDA doesn’t do its job in that level, so yeah, you have to be careful about this everywhere, not just in your C60 products. So yeah, you might want to go on the internet and study that ’cause they have like the list of those products, which are like, you know, they had potentially deadly levels of, or, you know, for cancer causing down the flame.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

Of benzene in them. So it’s yeah, it’s a common problem everywhere.

Kashif Khan

So we find that over and over again, whether it comes to female hormone health or cardiovascular or migraines or whatever, there’s so much, there’s this like silent killer of environmental exposure, the what we were designed for and the world we now live in, which are misaligned. So when it comes to those things, you know, often a natural path will tell someone, take some glutathione or some, you know, NAC, selenium, something to help you melt this, for example. Have you seen any evidence that the detox or glutathione or even methylation anti-inflammatory pathways are supported with C60?

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, absolutely. One of the things is that now C60 just goes for the two oxidative radicals, superoxide, which is the most damaging oxidative radical and the hydroxyl ion. That’s it. It doesn’t interact with anything else. So like the C60 doesn’t interact with any of the body signaling pathways, like for instance, which are many of them which are oxidative radicals, like nitrogen oxides, right? Doesn’t interact with that. Doesn’t interact with hydrogen peroxide, doesn’t interact with the other signaling molecules based around sulfur, iron, and zinc. In fact, they took the, you know, they’ve had all these beneficial studies of C60. So they say, when does C60 become toxic? So they went to the extreme level. They gave rats one gram per kilogram of body weight, which is 10,000 times what has been found to be a health beneficial dose.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

And even at that extreme level, C60 had no toxicity. If you did that with like vitamin E or NAC, you probably would’ve killed the rats.

Kashif Khan

Yeah, for sure.

Kenneth Swartz- 

radicals. It’s really a very non-reactive substance, like the cousin of diamond. And so, yeah, so that’s one thing, but it’s a very specific antioxidant, just does those two. And the other thing is, it can reset itself. And that’s probably its key why it’s characterized it several hundred times more. You can’t see it in this one, but what C60 does, it actually pulls hydrogen ions or even hydrogen gas out of the environment and can store them up to six of them inside its cage-like structure. And that makes it positively charged. Know most molecules become positively charged by releasing electron into an environment. C60 is totally opposite. It pulls a hydrogen ion inside of its cage-like structure. And so when a superoxide sticks to it, the C60 just pulls the electron off, the superoxide goes back to being a regular oxygen, then transfers that electron to one of the hydrogen ions, creating hydrogen gas and resets itself. 

And with the hydroxyl ion, which is basically just a water molecule missing a proton, it sticks to the C60, the C60 takes one of those protons, and release, and reacts it with the hydroxyl ion, turns it back into water and resets itself. So C60 can reset itself again and again and again, and it doesn’t require any body chemistry, like let’s say, glutathione, it runs oxidative radical. It changes its form. It’s gotta be, use a few ATPs to reset itself, so it can go back into the process, right? Whereas C60 doesn’t do that. And that’s probably its real secret.

Kashif Khan

That’s really fascinating. So everything you just described sounds like it is the solution. We were just going about it in a different way, meaning that the way we deal with, okay, you have a problem with oxidative stress, so let’s support the mitochondria. You’re saying like, let’s negatively or positively charge molecules and strip them apart and put them back to what they should have been in the first place. So we’re solving the problem just coming out of it from a different front, but it sounds like a much more effective front ’cause instead of fighting the symptomology or just getting rid of the problem, kicking, you know, the ladder from underneath somebody and it just, it’s gone.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. Yeah. And what it is, the C60, well, passes the gut barrier, passes the blood-brain barrier, and it’s actively uptake into the cells and the mitochondria through endocytosis. And what it does in the mitochondria, if we remember our mitochondria, you know, they’re little organelles, they have an outer membrane, then there’s a space, then there’s the inner membrane. Now the outer membrane is positively charged with positive hydrogen ion. So what C60 appears to do is it goes to, we could hold it in, it’s at the outer membrane, it fills up with, you know, six hydrogen ions. And then it starts across the interspatial thing to the inner membrane ’cause now it becomes positively charged. 

The inner membrane is negatively charged. And so as it goes along, it neutralizes superoxides and the cage-like hydroxyl ion until it uses up all those hydrogen ions on the inside of itself. And then the superoxide or the hydrogen, the ion will stick to it. And then it becomes negatively charge. It goes back to the outer membrane, neutralizes those oxidative radicals, fills up on hydrogen ions again, and then heads towards the inner membrane. So you could have hundreds of thousands of little C60 molecules bouncing back and forth inside your mitochondria, neutralizing superoxides, and incredibly lowering the oxidative burden of your cells.

Kashif Khan

That’s incredible. And I don’t know if people realize, we did a couple of episodes about the mitochondria, you know, and we looked at it from a couple of different perspectives and it’s really the root cause of everything. When you look at aging, you know, sort of cellular degeneration and what leads to inflammatory issues and disease. So, is that why there’s a sort of claim that you hear running around that Carbon 60 does such a good job of reducing inflammation? That’s not really like fighting the inflammation. It’s more like fighting the source, which is the SOD2.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. That’s yeah, it does that too, but yeah. But also people find it applied topically really gets rid of inflammation. And I think ’cause a lot of the inflammation, when you have toxic products break down, they produce superoxides in the hydroxyl ion. And so like for instance, you got a mosquito bite and it’s itching, right? You can rub C60 on it topically and in about 20 minutes, the itching goes away.

Kashif Khan

Wow.

Kenneth Swartz

So I think on the other side, it gets rid of the oxidative species, which are causing damage. And so the cells don’t get damaged. So the cells don’t send out the cytokines, which then bring in the macrophages, which set out more cytokines. And then of course, the neutrophils come in and it’s a general inflammation now. So C60 seems to stop on that side as well.

Kashif Khan

So speaking of cytokines, it sounds like any sort of autoimmune type of response could be mitigated.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. Especially in the, we’ve had a lot of people have amazing benefits in their gut health.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

‘Cause C60 has no solubility in water, really. So it has to be dissolved in an oil. And so obviously that’s taken internally and people with various forms of gut inflammation seems to go down hugely. And that when you’re of course, you know, the gut is the main cause of autoimmune and those other problems people have. So if you can help with that gut inflammation, will then a lot of other things downstream benefit as well.

Kashif Khan

Hmm. So, you know, a lot of people that have been paying attention, there’s one thing to sort of deal with health concerns, disease, chronic issues, aging is a whole other bucket that people are looking at. And we talked a little bit about aging and, you know, the people that are being listened to, people like David Sinclair are talking about NMN, NAD, you know, these types of products. You hear David’s already also taking, I think, resveratrol part of his, you know. So, how does this compare to people that swear by you need to take NMN and that’s like your ultimate anti-aging, you know, solution?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, you know, C60 is not the magic pill. C60 is just one tool, let’s say in your anti-aging toolkit. And all those things are good as well. But you know, there is no one secret pill for any of that. So if you’re looking Resveravine or any of all those, you know, they’re all great together, but there is no magic pill. C60 has what it does. It does a specific thing. And one of the interesting things is, see people that take C60 for a long time. We’ve had a lot of people say, find that when they do telomere testing. Telomeres actually increase over time. Their length has gotten longer in the tests like after several years of using C60. And this is another thing that they found. One of the things is, we have a lot of senescent cells in our body.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

Which usually telomeres have gotten too short or chromosomal damaged. Well, the senescent cells don’t wanna die, right? Who wants to die? So one of the things they do is they reduce, they go to a fermentation process. And part of that, they stop supplying the mitochondria with SOD, catalase, and you know, glutathione. So the mitochondria now have to go into the fermentation process.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

What happens is when you take C60, that’s gonna be uptake into the cells because, you know, the fermentation process is a lot less efficient than oxygen, like 20 times less efficient. So it pulls a lot of resources outta the body. And so it’s gonna be pulling C60 and when the C60 gets into the cells, the mitochondria actively uptake it, and now they have that SOD mimic, so they can turn themselves back on. And when they do, they’ll send, besides starting to make ATP and what else, they’ll send messages to the nuclear DNA. And they won’t get the right message back, if it’s a senescent cell. So the mitochondria themselves can induce apoptosis or program cell death. And that cell breaks down into apoptotic body, which the phagocytes clean up. And by the way, that’s a non-inflammatory process. So what happens is, now your cells are tissues because C60 is wiping out the senescent cells. Now they have much less cells of that. So people that take C60 have huge levels of stem cells. And the levels up, we had a seven year old guy, he goes in, you know, he goes to get the stem cell treatment. The guy’s come running in. They say, what are you doing? You know, you have the stem cell levels of 20-year-old.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

We have a, let’s say, Eastern European billionaire. He was in his eighties. He used to get four or five blood draws just to get, you know, enough stem cells. Now he gets all he needs in one, when he does his stem cell therapy. So that’s kind of a result that, but that happens after months of taking C60, and as the senescent cells go away. And we think that’s the reason why people have like an increase in their stem cell length. I mean, in their telomere length because the telomere test is the average of like thousands of cells, right?

Kashif Khan

Yup.

Kenneth Swartz

From the scraping your mouth. And so average telomere length is going up because senescent cells have been replaced by stem cells, which have a whole set, almost a complete set of telomeres. And so average telomere length increases.

Kashif Khan

Hmm, that’s really fascinating. You know, I’m thinking that when it comes to what other people are doing, you know, there are terms of their protocols for disease, for anti-aging, it’s all siloed, like, here’s my fibromyalgia routine. Here’s my anti-aging routine. You don’t often hear of something that has this central hub, that deals with so many spokes, because it’s not really dealing with the problem itself. It’s dealing with innate cellular health. And so it really, we’re talking about, tell us what your problem is, and we’ll try and fix it, you know.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah.

Kashif Khan

It’s not so much, here’s the label conditions, what you do with that. So it sounds like studies are needed to start. And I know you said it’s early. We know what works. Anecdotally, you’ve seen it. You know the science behind how it applies. It sounds like where just the gap is, proving it to sort of the medical establishment and saying here’s what it is. Here’s what it is.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. Well, there are some human studies, but it’s pretty limited. Most are animal studies. And of course, there’s no C60 as a natural product, right? It’s produced in obviously the outer atmospheres of giant red stars, why it’s found in space so much. But it’s also produced like enlightening strides, even the burnt wick of your candle has like 0.25% C60 in it. But there’s not a lot of encouragement. Like the first study was on Jap. It was in a cream on Japanese women. It found that Japanese women, when C60 was applied topically in the cream, fine lines and wrinkles significantly disappeared.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And then another one, they put it on people with hair loss, and they found that C60 increased the hair growth rate. And then they’ve done things like C60 was found in human mass cells to moderate the release of histamines

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

Like moderated. So then they, that took it to an animal study, I believe, where they had some sort of animals that were, I think rats were designed to go on anaphylactic shock, would expose to some sort of allergen.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And the C60 rats didn’t go in the anaphylactic shock, whereas the control rats did. So it moderated that. And then they had another study where they showed that C60 would protect, let’s say human skin cells from UV radiation versus controls. But that’s, you know, I think there’s another one on the immune side of things of C60 benefits, the immune system, in vitro, in the cells, in its test tube that is in cells. And then most of the other studies are animals. But one of the problems with anything, is C60 being a natural product cannot be patented.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

So there’s gonna be no money behind it too, and most of these studies by the way, are done by universities or foreign institutions. And not obviously by pharmaceutical things, because now a lot of pharmaceutical companies actually are now using C60. They attach lithium to C60 and then use that for medical purposes. C60 actually kind of works like HCL.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

So they can attach drugs to it. And the C60 will get through the digestive system with the drug attached. So pharmaceuticals have like a whole bunch of patents on C60 as a delivery device. So they don’t want to get rid of C60, right? ‘Cause they have put tens of millions into patents, but you know, nobody’s studying the natural molecule itself because there’s no incentive there either.

Kashif Khan

So you wonder what’s causing the healing, the delivery device or the drug attached to it.

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, well that’s exactly the question.

Kashif Khan

Wow. So I guess that’s all, some people call it a racket, you know? So in your own, so people come to you directly as consumers, right?

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. That’s pretty much.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. And what kind of stories have you heard of healing and you know, what’s the most impactful stuff that you’ve heard out there?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, I’ve got, let me see. I’ve got somewhere around here. So up here’s some, well, I have a few testimonials. Okay. This is like a typical one. I have. This is from Chuck K. I’ve taken C60 Purple Power for better than a year now at age 52. I feel great and my energy levels are awesome. I had been suffering from arthritis and my lower joint since I was 48 years old. Now, one year later after taking C60 Purple Power, I have no arthritic joint pain at all. Thank you.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And of course we do get crazy ones like this, and these aren’t untypical, but it’s pretty amazing. I’m 70 years old. I’m in poor health. However, after one year of taking C60 Purple Power, my high blood pressure is gone. My eyesight has markedly improved. My aches and pains have disappeared. My high frequency hearing loss since I was 18 years old has disappeared. My hair is browner. My energy level is much, much better. I have also lost 50 pounds. I was diagnosed by an endocrinologist as being overweight due to a genetic problem with my liver, quote, which runs in my family. So the only explanation of the weight loss is what I would call a miraculous restoration of my liver function. Bless you and all the good people who make this wonderful supplement available. Finally, my whole family and many of my friends are now on board.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And that’s why C60 is really out in the world is passing by word of mouth.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s really increasing by word of mouth.

Kashif Khan

It sounds like both these people are saying that there are many months into it. And then the impact was huge. So it’s like our system reset. ‘Cause I guess what’s happening is if you’re dealing with things that are root cause level, you’re a kind of eliminating the inflammatory load that insults and it takes time for that to heal.

Kenneth Swartz

Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

Kashif Khan

It takes time to roll things back to where you could have been or where you started, where you were 20 years ago. And once you get there, then the pain points the symptoms, the diseases start to go away ’cause the inflammatory insults gone. But it takes months to get there.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. And it’s the same way in the mitochondria. The mitochondria inside your cells, let’s say if you don’t have enough of them, they’re damaged, they actually will join together.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

Trade DNA until they get like a really good set. And then they’ll separate again. And like one mitochondrion with the bad DNA will disappear and the other one will start proliferating.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

So if you have a low oxidative environment where mitochondria DNA is not being damaged, they have their own DNA, ring DNA like bacteria. Then after several months, the mitochondria inside your cells can proliferate. And so now you have functioning and even more mitochondria up to the level the cell needs it. And that’s a benefit obviously. Like we’ve had people who’ve, you know, like the person had liver function. I think I have one in there with the, we had a kidney function. Here’s one, stuff like this, ’cause I think this is due to the stem cell replacement stuff.

Kashif Khan

Sure.

Kenneth Swartz

I can’t come up with another making. I’ve been taking C60 Purple Power for about six months. Before taking C60, I’d lost 33% of my kidney function indicated from blood work and lab results. My most recent blood test results show no loss of kidney function. That’s complete reversal of kidney loss of function. My kidneys are now operating a hundred percent. My internist, nephrologist obviously says she can’t explain the healing of the kidney damage, either God has chosen to reverse the damage or C60 Purple Power has worked at healing my kidney damage. And so we’ve had the same thing with thyroids. And we think it’s probably due to replacement of senescent damaged cells with fully function cells with a full set of telomeres. But we can’t be for sure until there’s obviously scientific studies done, but we get things like this all the time. Like in rats, the inflammation, they found C60 reduces inflammation. Oh, this was with rabbits. They actually damaged the rabbit joints, right? Which causes inflammation obviously when the joints had been damaged. And then they were using C60 to show it had reduction in inflammation, which they found. But then they also found that there was this huge regrowth of cartilage.

Kashif Khan

Really.

Kenneth Swartz

Right. So the joint literally regrew itself. And of course that from other studies in anecdotal, we can figure, oh, C60 is you know, wiping out the senescent cells and they’re being replaced, or damaged cells and they’re being replaced by stem cells.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s, you know, when you put all the studies together, the dozens of different studies then, which I’ve read pretty much all of them, then you can start to get a clearer picture of what exactly C60 is doing.

Kashif Khan

That sounds like the root of all of it. I know that you said that one of the key things is, you know, the SOD function, right? And antioxidation. But this kind of hyper charging and creating a catalyst to this cellular elimination, you know, getting rid of the senescent cells, replacing them with healthy cells. There’s actually a gene called FOXO3, by the way, you have your genetic report. So it’s in there.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. Yes.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. There’s a gene called FOXO3 that actually determines how well you do that. And it’s referred to often as a centenarian gene because people that have the better version of it, there are three versions.

Kenneth Swartz

Well, yeah, I have the better version.

Kashif Khan

You do. So, some more often than not will quickly, you know, eliminate dying or dead cells and replace them with healthy cells where it’s actually difficult to age, ’cause you’re just catching up with age consistently. So you’re kind of saying that, oh, what I’m hearing is this product is doing that. So it’s making up for, this is why I say with the genetics or the cards you’ve been dealt, but there’s always a way to turn the dials with environment, nutrition, lifestyle, genetics just tells you where to focus. So if you’re not the person that is the superhuman centenarian, that doesn’t do a good job of eliminating senescent cells. Or if you are under oxidative stress, if you’re an athlete or you don’t get enough proper sleep or whatever it is that’s causing your problems, there is something that now will turn that dial up a little bit and make you do a better job or in fact, just do the job for you.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. And in that science, the famous butchery study, which you can go online and get, they used Wistar rats. And of course, they’re kind of a wimpy rat and they generally die of cancers.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

And other diseases associated with aging.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

And in the study, there were no cancers among the C60 rats.

Kashif Khan

Wow.

Kenneth Swartz

Complete none. Obviously, you know, anecdotally we find, yeah. It’s not gonna be, it’s not cure by the way, folks.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

C60 just put the oxidative burn that the cells are under, so the cells can heal themselves. And it prevented, prevention is different from, you know, if you have it something and getting rid of it.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

That’s completely different situation. But it’s yeah, it’s incredible to prevent it. It just prevents all the stuff from happening. Of course, most of the people taking C60 now are the gray-haired crowd because those are the people that would benefit the most. But you know, what will happen if people, you know, I think in some days, C60 will be, you know, very common like vitamin C that you can pull off your shelf in any health food store.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s inevitable. This is gonna go there. If they’re gonna be suppressive in this country, but they won’t in the rest of the world. So you gotta wonder what people in their twenties who start taking C60, just how long they’re going to be living. Considering the studies, it’ll, you know, there are gonna have some people live in 110 and 120.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Yeah. I remember reading that the human body can live up to 150 and I don’t know where that was, you know, if that makes any sense or anything, but beyond that, it’s kind of not worth trying, right? It’s kinda, you can slow down aging that much. And there’s so many tools coming out. I know, you know, Jeff Olson crew just did the largest ever investment into a longevity company of three and a half billion dollars.

Kenneth Swartz

Oh.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

Actually, I wanted your listeners could maybe help me with something.

Kashif Khan

Sure.

Kenneth Swartz

And help us all. You can go to science news or science digest. And this was years ago, like five or six years ago, there’s a peptide called the FOXO4 peptide.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And it induces, in rat studies, it induces extreme apoptosis. So you essentially have, you know, like old rats, they’re going bald, very poor muscle mass. It’s injected into them. And what happens is, it could also be theoretically disseminated liposomal and their hair grows back and their muscle mass return. You basically take 70-year-old rats and turn them into 40-year-old rats. Okay.

Kashif Khan

Wow.

Kenneth Swartz

And you can go back and see these studies. And then they were gonna have a study in Switzerland with human volunteers. In fact, it was being done and no results ever came out from that study, not a zippo. And you know, if it had negative results, we would’ve seen that.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

If it had moderately positive results, we probably would’ve seen that, but there’s been no science reports, not a word of that.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

And you can do this repeatedly. So, you know, you could be a 70-year-old rat. They take you back to a 40-year-old rat. Of course, the next time they do it, you’re a 70-year-old rat. You probably only go back to 45.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And then, you know, to 50, 50, you know, ’cause it becomes progressively less useful. But you know, that’s a technology that if the rat studies were done, successful in humans, you would easily have 140-year lifespan.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

But everything just went dark. And I have had people try to research it. Where did this study go? You know, who is doing it? Where can we get the results? What do we know about this? And nada, it is. We knew the study was going on, but the results had been scraped. So somebody, you know, obviously it was successful and now it’s being offered to billionaires at some incredibly high price. It’s not available for us, but you could buy the FOXO4 peptide out of your local peptide company. Well maybe it’s not local, but you can buy that peptide.

Kashif Khan

Right. Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

So it’s not something that any of us can’t get ahold of. We just don’t know the dosing protocols to get the benefits.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

But if anybody’s out there that, you know, you wanna live to 140, if you’re old and you don’t have your hair, you wanna go back 30, roll back 30 years off your life, it’s or 20 years off your life, it’s out there. We just can’t get ahold of the data. So there’s that. Besides C60, that’s just another little thing. If anybody could find that and spread the information around, there would be a lot of people who’d be grateful.

Kashif Khan

For sure. And what you just said, there really is a goal. Like people are, how do I prevent disease? How do I live longer? But living longer without vitality and bringing forward what you already have, you know, truly caring forward and not aging, right? You’re born healthy, you’re born resilient and vibrant. You should take that forward with you and not watch your grandchildren play, but play with them.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah.

Kashif Khan

Get in there and have the energy and the strength. And you should be outdoing them because you’re older and you should be stronger, right?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, it’s like telomere folding, you know, they say, if you did, telomere is exactly right. We would only use 20 units off every division, right?

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

But in reality, we lose 50 to a hundred units off every division.

Kashif Khan

Right.

Kenneth Swartz

Right. So if we were in an ideal, low, low oxidative environment, I mean, yeah, there’s that 120 years right there, or 110 years right there. But I mean, if we just add all this stuff together and other people are, obviously they put three billion dollars in an anti-aging company, I’m sure they’ll get around to this. They’re watching this. But, so yeah. I mean, I think it’s all possible.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s for us, you know, the average folks, we’re gonna have to kind of put it together for ourselves because we won’t be able to have those multimillion dollar treatments at that special facility that they have.

Kashif Khan

For sure. Yeah. So as of now I know it’s, I mean, most people probably haven’t even heard of the product. I’m sure many people here have, but most haven’t. Where do they get it? How do they find it?

Kenneth Swartz

Well, you just go to c60purplepower.com.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

And that’s where you’ll get it. Now there’s some other companies out there that’ll have good products too. I’m not saying our, we like to think ours is the best. You know, we have like certificates, you go on our things. We have, well here it’s, we have like QR code with that you can, it goes through a landing page. You see the certificates analysis on all of our oils, our C60. So, you know, this is what it’s putting into it. After we make our product, we have the coupon code that QR code will take you to, you can see certificates analysis on like microbiologic, so you know what you’re doing. Most the big CBD companies actually do this too. So, you know, there’s about pesticides and herbicides. So we just kind of copied what they did, but just so you have that thing. And then of course, yeah. 

So you just go to the thing and we have offer c60purplepower.com. But the thing, if you’re gonna buy a C60 product, just look for those three things. You want a 99.99% purity. You wanna make sure it’s sublimated. If they say oven bake, if they don’t say sublimated, it isn’t sublimated basically. And there are more than, we aren’t the only company out there using sublimated C60. So it’s not. And also you want a healthy carrier oil. We have it in avocado oil, olive oil and MCT coconut oil. MCT, obviously people know about that. It turns into ketones in your liver. So if you’ve got a glucose processing issues or an athlete, MCT oils are for you.

Kashif Khan

Hmm.

Kenneth Swartz

And so we kind of have the Goldilocks, we stay away, you know, those are stable, healthy oils for you. And so, and you can see that they’re all organic and source coded.

Kashif Khan

Okay. And how long have you been taking it for?

Kenneth Swartz

I started taking it in 2014. I just turned 60. Well, 66 months ago. So I’m doing reasonably well for 60.

Kashif Khan

So I mean, anyone that’s paying attention now, some people are listening, some people are watching. Either way, if you look at Ken, you know, who’s been doing this for a few years, first of all, your skin is a little too tight and glowing for 60, right?

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah.

Kashif Khan

And second, if you look at the cognitive function and you know, what’s been going on in your brain this past 45 minutes or hour, however long it’s been, there’s many 60-year olds that are not there, they’re in a very different place, right? And taken for granted that, wow, I am 60. I’m supposed to decline. No, not at all.

Kenneth Swartz

No.

Kashif Khan

It’s a myth that it’s more like I’m doing everything wrong, just like my peers and in the culture that I’m in. So I will end up like them.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes.

Kashif Khan

Versus you got Ken right in front of you. His skin does not look 60. His brain function does not look 60. You know, the way he’s running this business and doing his thing, like any other millennial, you know, he’s up and ready to go. So you, the proofs in the pudding, like we said, so thanks for coming on, because this was awesome. Like, it’s literally what I started with, which I want to leave everybody with is that, we don’t talk that much about solutions, especially as you know, what we’ve been going through in the last few sort of discussions. It’s more about the problems, but sometimes you land on something that, you know, it’s just so special. It deals with everything. Why? ‘Cause it’s not trying to deal with anything, it’s going to the hub, right? It’s going to the central root cause. 

That root cause is where everything comes from. Right? Don’t start at the pain point, which means you just waited too long. You waited till you damage yourself and then say, doctor, please fix me. As opposed to understanding why these things happen to begin with. What are the cellular process? What does biochemistry work with? We already know those things. We know, it’s not a secret. We know those things. And if you can get ahead of it by understanding a compound or a molecule that does the right thing, gets rid of senescent cells, replaces healthy cell, deals with SOD and oxidation, which is one of the root causes of aging and cellular sort of dysfunction and breaking down of your DNA. Do the one thing that deals with the hub and then all the spokes kind of disappear. Right. And it’s beautiful that you brought this forward, did the research, tested yourself as a guinea pig and now it’s available.

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. And that’s yeah, we probably, maybe on another episode, I can go into this story of how it all happened. Yeah. It just kind of came together, you know.

Kashif Khan

Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s one of those things that I’m sure in the future, 20 years from now, C60 will be ubiquitous.

Kashif Khan

I believe so. Yeah.

Kenneth Swartz

It’s the health products.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. It’s too powerful to be held back. It just take, you know, the work that you’re doing. I know you’re now getting engaged in even more studies. It’s just gonna be too, like, you can’t avoid the truth for that long, right?

Kenneth Swartz

Yes. ‘Cause C60 being made all over the world and there are products. So yeah, it can’t be held back.

Kashif Khan

Yeah. Thank you, Ken. And once again, so it’s C60 Purple Power.

Kenneth Swartz

Yeah. c60purplepower.com. And it’ll take you to a site that is shop C60, but it’s kind of the same thing. We have, there’s a wide variety. We have C60 Sexy there. That’s like edible massage oil.

Kashif Khan

Okay.

Kenneth Swartz

And there’ll be other. It’ll be like a go to shop for all kinds of C60 products.

Kashif Khan

Awesome. Ken, this was amazing. Thank you for coming.