The Miracle of Herbs for Mold Recovery

Jill Crista, N.D.

Thank you.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

It’s such an honor to have you.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Oh my gosh, what a treat. Thank you so much.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Thanks for being here, yeah. So many people affected by Mold have histamine issues. Can herbs help people with this?

Jill Crista, N.D.

Oh yes, absolutely. I think herbs are uniquely qualified to help people with Mold related illness because it’s one of those that with Mold you’re dealing with allergy, you’re dealing with toxin and you’re dealing with the whole immune reaction and inflammation and herbs have these multiple mechanisms of action so they can address, you know, one single herb can address many of those things at one time. So one of the herbs that I love to use for histamine issues is nettles and nettles don’t get a lot of press, you know, they’re seen as a weed, they’re a little bit of a noxious weed because they hurt when you’re trying to weed them up, you know. They’re called Stinging Nettles for a reason. 

And so in my area where I live and I know that in a lot of the United States nettles come up in the spring time right when we have allergy and histamine issues.So it’s almost like mother nature is saying, hey, you’re having problems with pollen? Here’s a remedy for you. And so you can take nettles as a food, they’re safe enough. They do have a stink to them when they’re raw so I have a couple of videos where I show people you can make them, you can add them to cooking just like any green wearing gloves, you can make tea out of it, you can drink the tea. You can take them as capsules, you can do all kinds of things with nettles and it helps to reduce your histamine by being a multi mechanism kind of a plant. It’s very high in quercetin and quercetin is one of the things we know that can calm down histamine. And it has tons of nutrients, trace minerals, all of those things. So, yeah, that’s one of my favorites

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I love that the first one you bring up is one to help with histamine and Mast Cells because that’s usually where I start with my treatment in not only Tick-borne illness but also Mycotoxin and Mold illness that we need to calm down the Mast Cells first before detoxifying, before killing the infections. What other herbs do you like to use for a Mast Cell issues?

Jill Crista, N.D.

For Mast Cell, oh my goodness. Things that are high in bio-flavonoid. So things that are the bio-flavonoids are the colorful pigment in fruits and vegetables and there’s pretty much for Mold related illness. Every spectrum that exists on the rainbow does something unique for Mold related illness. So, you know, it’s one of those things where if you can pick a color, any color, if it’s a colorful plant, you are likely getting some relief there. I don’t know about you but a lot of my histamine sensitive people have very irritable respiratory passages, irritable bladder, things like that and there’s a plant called Mullen and that one is just like, it’s like a lamb’s ear if you see it growing, it’s so soft and it has a lot of mucilaginous properties which means it’s mucusy and goopy. And it does a nice job of coating those irritated respiratory passages, irritated bladder, irritated gut lining. So quite often I’m combining nettles with that, with Mullen.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I love that. I do see my patients with a lot of interstitial cystitis and respiratory issues so always working to calm down those systems.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, that and marshmallow that’s another one depending on if the person is CBO or not, then it gets, you know, I might not be able to use marshmallow, but I just love it. People don’t think about the soothing part, you know, they really it’s always like targeting the histamine, we get to lower the histamine. Well, nettles does a very efficient job of that. It’s a super healthy plant, it’s a safe plant because people eat it as food that’s why we think, okay, wow, I can go really high dose with this. So that’s doing a fantastic job of lowering the histamine but now what about all the other stuff? You know, the soothing part is really important. I also love Hawthorne because of that high bio-flavonoid. If anyone sees Hawthorne it’s a deep, deep, deep red and it has an affinity for the chest and the heart. Like so many of my patients are dealing with asthma or especially post COVID, you know, we’re dealing with a lot of glass lungs and these kinds of things and Hawthorne just goes right to that area and opens it back up again. And it helps the heart nourish itself first. I think of Hawthorne is like the oxygen mask plant. It’s like, put your oxygen mask on yourself before you put on someone else, it’s the same thing that’s in your heart it’s nourishing and feeding the heart itself and then the heart can nourish and feed the rest of the body. So those are kind of my triple threat, you know, I think histamine, I think heart and chest opening and I think with those mucilaginous plants.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Very nice. I think those same things then I’ll use slightly different methods, but similar.

Jill Crista, N.D.

How do you do it?

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

So for the lungs, well, we will nebulize glutathione a lot for the lungs. For the IC I have a kidney tonic where I have a bunch of herbs that I’ll use. Sometimes I’ll get people a Franken Hauser injection.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Wow.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Yeah, I love talking to you cause it’s new perspectives and new ideas to bridge together.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, well we have so many tools. You know, we have so many tools at our disposal and I was just thinking, it’d be fun to talk about Mold and Mycotoxins from a herbal standpoint since we’re two naturopathic doctors. Yeah, we can do if those measures aren’t working or in addition to those measures that’s the nice thing about these plants that so many of them that I just mentioned they’re very safe and you can combine them with other measures. It’s not an idea of like a one thing and if that’s not completely taking care of it we have to withdraw it to add this other thing, that’s not how natural medicine works. Often many legs of a stool makes it more solid foundation.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Yeah and I find that the herbs allow for the other therapies.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, it’s almost like they give it instructions.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Exactly.

Jill Crista, N.D.

The herbs have an instruction manual.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

They do, they do they’re foundation. So I understand you have a different approach to binders. Tell us about that.

Jill Crista, N.D.

So, you know, as a naturopathic doctor trained by Dr. Walter Crinnion, the late great Dr. Walter Crinnion I didn’t learn that binders were a number one therapy and you know, like a Shoemaker Approach is a little bit different approach than how I was trained. And I actually didn’t really know about the Shoemaker Approach until I started doing my eyelids training to become an eyelids physician. And then Dr. Nathan was presenting because Dr. Shoemaker couldn’t be there at one of the meetings. And everyone was talking about the Shoemaker Protocol Binders and Binders and I’m thinking what? I don’t understand even what that is. And it didn’t really make sense to me to only do a binder and not take care of the fungal overgrowth that I see. or colonization those kinds of things. So part of the training that from Dr Crinnion is detoxification. 

So I was using insoluble fiber as a Mycotoxin detoxer and other fat-soluble things, you know, BPA and all of those things that you can get out with getting rid of the bile and trying to capture it. And for anyone listening, we are very, very good recyclers of bile. That’s a handy thing when you live in a place where it’s cold in the winter and you can’t expose a lot of skin to the sun it helps you preserve your vitamin D that you gained in the summer time. It can help to preserve vitamin A, it helps us preserve these fat-soluble nutrients but that is inconvenient when you have a fat soluble toxin. So the idea of a binder is that we’re grabbing that bile so we don’t recycle as much of it. And then the body has to make new, fresh, clean non-toxic bile that’s the idea. And over time you dilute, dilute, dilute like Dr. Crinnion taught us the solution to pollution is dilution.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I love it.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, it just makes sense. You know, and if you’re dealing with a fat soluble toxin then you need a ton of good fats and you need to make new clean bile and that’s where binders come in. But if you’re using insoluble fiber which is what they see in studies of people with colicystectomies where they’re having bile dumped diarrhea and like bile is a problem there are studies. It has nothing to do with Mold Mycotoxin let’s say, okay, insoluble fiber is one of the best binders of this stuff and it helps reduce bile dump diarrhea. So I took that research into the Mold Mycotoxin world and was like, well, then insoluble fiber needs to be the way to go. And so that’s like Psyllium Husk, it’s old fashioned but it works really well.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

It works, it does.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I know Flaxseed, Chia seed, rice bran, those kinds of things bind bile very effectively and they nourish your microbiome. Whereas if you’re getting a giving a drug like Colacediamine, it’s binding very effectively but it also could be depleting you of necessary nutrients to make more bile. So, you know, that’s just a very different approach. And since getting into Mold and Mycotoxins I started doing research on, you know, I wonder if there’s other ways and other things that bind. And I found a study with Kale, Mustard greens, and collard greens. They showed that they are very good if they’re steamed very good binders of bile and about like 20% I know, and they’re feeding us, you know, it’s actually nourishing you and it’s detoxifying you. So not only from the Sulfur Fein liver that side but also that they’re binding the bile and helping you get the stuff out of your body.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

That’s great information. I didn’t know that information. I don’t think that’s.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I did, I mean, that’s the thing, do a deep dive into something and I just sit there on PubMed, you know, I wonder if and to do do do cause I have patients who say, I swear by my broccoli sprouts. If I don’t eat my broccoli sprouts I have headaches the next day and I’m like, huh. What exactly is going on there? And so of course, detoxification but also bio binding and also aloe which we have to use. We talked about the soothing for patients who have you know, if they have histamine issues a lot of people have reflux and they have acid issues.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

They do.

Jill Crista, N.D.

And so if you can use aloe to take care of that is also an immune modulator. So it helps boost up the immune deficiency that Mycotoxins can cause and Mold spores. And then you also combine the toxin, wow. You know, now we have plant medicine doing what it does so well.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I love it, I love it.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, so that’s a very different approach to binders.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

It is awesome. Thank you for that.

Jill Crista, N.D.

But I don’t use binders with people if they’re constipated. So my little thing is no binders if you’re bound up.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Me too.

Jill Crista, N.D.

And we need to be using pre binders. You know, we need to get pre binders on board so that they can.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Absolutely.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

What pre binders do you use?

Jill Crista, N.D.

So my term for pre binders is it’s kind of this, it’s a term I made up just to kind of explain it to patients to say, okay, there are prebiotics and probiotics, there are binders and we also have pre binders and that means things things.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I call it pre-tox detox.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I love it, pretox yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

That’s probably similar to what you’re about to talk about.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I think you’re probably having a mind-meld here. Well, I mean, we’re similarly trained it makes a lot of sense. So you have cold dots things that things that help move and make bile and that those are plants like Gentian, dandelion, anything that has that bitter taste. If you can get a little bit of bitter on the back of your tongue that starts up the whole digestive process. Well, really what starts it is spit, I say detox starts with spit, it’s kind of one of my.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

That makes sense.

Jill Crista, N.D.

You’re mixing your food and tasting your food. It’s the tasting of food that tells the brain what to send down to the digestion. What fluids to send down cause it’s assessing, it’s sampling and assessing and saying, okay, there’s protein here, there’s fat here. There’s you know, all these things. Now the brain says, okay, digestive juices we need a little of this squished in and a little more of that squished in. Well, if you’re like most Americans, high anxiety, not slowing down to eat, not making your food, not smelling your food before you eat that part doesn’t get turned on. And so now the food enters without any information and the next thing that’s supposed to get turned on is bile flow. And so just adding that little bit of bitters on the tongue before you eat gets the next step taken care of. And so that’s an easy like gentle pre binder but some people need a lot more especially if they’re constipated.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

And a lot of those bitters help support the liver and the kidneys so it’s like you’re doing all of this at once.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, we have bitter taste receptors in the craziest places. Like the taste of bitter is supposed to be a warning sign to the body that poison is coming. And so what it does is like, we’ve been trained in the term alternative, which means you take something every day and it alters the body toward health and toward homeostasis in a gentle way. So it’s not like detox and herbs, you know, this whole thing it’s just like alternative is just sort of moving it out. And that bitter taste tells the body there might be a little toxicity or poison coming in with this food or with this supplement that you’re taking. We better make more secretions. We better make more things, get more movement and flow. And so they’re perfect for detoxification because they’re encouraging flow. So cool.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I know, right.

Jill Crista, N.D.

This medicine world.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Is there anything else you use in particular as a pre binder?

Jill Crista, N.D.

Sometimes people need oxbile. Some people actually, they just don’t make enough of their own or it’s too sludgy and so they need a little bit of help. But I tend to have if people are really bitter supertasters we’re all a little different in how we taste bitter. Some people can take two tablespoons of it, you know, on their tongue and they’re just like, yeah, whatever and some people, a tiny little drop and it sticks with them for like five to 10 minutes. So I just kind of see how the purchase person handles a little bit of bitter on their tongue in our office and then if they’re like, Ooh, no way, no way, no way am I going to take that. Then I will give them a capsule or something that has some bitters in it like Gaia herbs makes one called Liver Health I really love. And so sometimes then what we do is we drop a little bit of powdered Gentian or something like that in the bottle and they shake it up and then every time they take it they get a little taste of bitter but it’s not to the degree that they will avoid taking their supplement and then we get the bitter taken care of.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Nice, very nice.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Sneaking it in there.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

And then what do you think of the use of antifungals?

Jill Crista, N.D.

I am a big fan, yeah and it sounds like you as well. I think when someone’s exposed to a water damaged building, they’re exposed to these respirable inspirable toxins and the first place they hit is here. When we breathe in, in the sinus mucosa and the message with those Mycotoxins is Mold wants to come move in. Cause that’s what mold is doing when it’s spitting out a mycotoxin it’s doing it defensively to try to kill other living things around it. If you think about the intention not all the biochemistry and all that but just hovering above it and looking at what’s the intention of this toxin? The intention is harm and and your flora hears that it understands that intention. So your own flora starts to act defensively and now you went from a peaceful commensal microbiome happening in the sinuses and the gut to a defensive, frightened endotoxin kind of situation and then Mold says, sweet, now I can move in because now they’re infighting and Mold spores can just go hang out there and that’s been my experience.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Me too. I find so much colonization in people sinuses super molds, yeast, biofilm bacteria and then of course, that can cross the blood-brain barrier.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I know, that’s the thing.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

That’s what Mycotoxins do.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

And once I clear that up, they really turn a corner because it’s making a change to their HPA and even the vagus nerve it’s decreasing brain fog. Oftentimes I’m going to treat the sinuses even before I treat the gut.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Usually at the same time, and sinuses are a big overlooked area of inflammation, you know, how close that is to the brain.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Absolutely, and that’s the part I kind of get a little flack for using antifungals in the nose and I just think, just think about the olfactory bulb is one of the four locations in our brain that doesn’t have a blood-brain barrier.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Right.

Jill Crista, N.D.

For those toxins which can move by osmosis cell to cell they don’t need a carrier protein they just into the cell membrane and then they can migrate through any cell that it wants to. And it’s a concentration gradient so the more you’re getting your smelling in, so the longer you’re in that water damaged building the more toxins are bumping, bumping, bumping. Cause they’re trying to find the place where there isn’t many toxins it’s just a chemistry thing. And so if you have that happening in your olfactory bulb of course, you’re going to have intrusion into the brain tissue. And we see this with our patients that you start to treat the sinuses and it’s just like, they can sleep again. 

Their anxiety goes down just all kinds of things. Yeah, I’m a big fan of antifungals. I understand why conventionally trained doctors are very wary of that because their only tool is pharmaceuticals and those have risk factors and they have resistance factors. So I feel so privileged as a naturopathic doctor because my toolbox is ginormous and I can start with little things, you know, like a little holy basil tea, a little infusing essential oils in your room until you’re ready to get actually to treating the nose, you know, baby steps and work people into getting them ready for antifungals. And people perceive, when I say that, they’re like, well, then they’re not as strong. And we see that with time like Timeless Vulgaris has almost the same efficacy as Amphoteracin B against.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

I love it.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Isn’t that amazing against?

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

It’s amazing.

Jill Crista, N.D.

It’s like, just because they’re gentle on the person doesn’t mean they’re gentle on the target.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Right, exactly. That’s what I love about naturopathic and you have to excuse my family upstairs, turning on an alarm, but.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Life in COVID, right?

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Exactly, anyways, I love our toolbox and it really means that we can, we can. Oh, guys. Just one sec. As naturopathic doctors we have such a big toolbox and talking to you it’s like reminding me of what I take for granted, right? Like we just have these tools we use them every day, all the time.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, that’s how lucky we are.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

We’re so lucky.

Jill Crista, N.D.

I know it and I always tell my patients when they leave if this isn’t working, I have a couple things lined up in my mind that we can do instead.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Me too.

Jill Crista, N.D.

So keep the communication going because I do have so many different things that maybe it’s homeopathy that they need, maybe it’s drugs. Some people who are really, really burdened, especially, I don’t know if you’re seeing a lot of Bartonella also kind of in this picture.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

A lot of it, a lot.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Some people really need to get on the antibiotics and then that gets the burden down and then we have something, you know. So the idea that as a naturopathic doctor I have things that are, you know, only wimpy or whatever. It’s like, no, we know how to mix it all.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Exactly. I do use a combination of drugs and herbs and peptides and all of it together. And some people need more one time and less than another and I just tell me, you’re moving target so I’m monitoring you, I’m watching like a hawk as you’re moving I’m following you and we’re shifting, you know.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, that’s a cool term they know that things are going to change that they’ll feel better.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Yeah.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Cool.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

They’re always changing and we have tools. We’re lucky the patients who’ve seen naturopathic doctors are blessed in that way because they’re so many options. I also tell them I’m not going to reach for the top shelf right now. Like if someone needs hormone therapy I’m not usually rushing to bio-identical that’s the top shelf and I want to start with herbs because you’re going to respond to that first. And then at some point we might need to use bioidentical but if I go there first and what happens when you really need that and I have nowhere else to go.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Right, right.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

So we have tools at varying levels, varying degrees which I think is very powerful.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Every step then that they take further nourishes and sets the stage for those bioidenticals to do their best work at the lowest stage.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Exactly, they need lower dosages, yeah.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Of the hormones though. Because when someone needs them and you do, and they have done all the homework just plunking in a little testosterone or a little estrogen now this is really what works.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Changes their lives, it’s a big game changer. Especially if we have supported the rest of their systems then it’s really a simple thing for them.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Yeah, so I’ve read that you say to avoid mushrooms. Are you 100% against the use of medicinal mushrooms?

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, I get this question a lot because in my book I say the part of the diet that I recommend which for the record everybody that is a therapeutic diet in the beginning stages of treatment and then later in my book I talk about how to re-introduce foods. So during the beginning I do have people go off of all fungal things. So mushrooms, yeasts, all of those things. Because again, we’re thinking about the message in the toxin is fungus wants to come move in to my body for a temporary period of time. I have people try to get rid of things that might reinforce that message. And I just learned this from my patients I didn’t use to tell people to go off fungal things when we found that it was Mold but I would have patients come in and say, oh my gosh, my urinary frequency is terrible. I can’t sleep, I can’t, you know, these kinds of things. And through diet diaries, through doing the grind of looking at a diet diary I was able identify then it was like, wow, it seems to be whenever you have mushrooms then you have like a bad three days afterwards and making that connection. So that includes supplements like medicinal mushrooms even though they’re fantastic for immune modulation for the selection bias of my patient base they were aggravating things. So like Rishi Coffee and all these things that are supposed to be so good for you.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Right.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Kombucha and all of that was actually causing fatigue and aggravations in my patients. So in that very beginning stage that first therapeutic diet, therapeutic time until we can get them solidly on antifungals and things are rolling and we get them on biofilm busters. Once we get to that stage which is kind of later in my approach.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Mine too.

Jill Crista, N.D.

If they don’t want to poke the bear I mean, we’ve seen some crazy stuff, parasites and you know, we’ve seen some things happen with patients that they just, if we went too early their bodies weren’t ready for it and I don’t want to make my patients do that.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Me too. I think that timing is crucial. Starting very gently and each patient is different which door do I enter through me.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

For who is sitting in front of me and some people can go at a slow pace at a fast pace. Some people need a slow pace. They need a multi-pronged protocol or they need the go between protocols for instance, if somebody has CBO and they also have Mycotoxin illness I might rotate between the two. A lot of them have gut issues and want to be of course, binding like we talked about earlier when they’re constipated but they have so many gut issues that could take a year to treat them right because they have H Pylori, SIBO and parasites and you know, so when deciding where to start. They’ve also got a sinus issue and Mycotoxin illness and tick-borne illness so that’s really like putting that jigsaw puzzle together for each patient and it’s different.

Jill Crista, N.D.

And that’s really the art of practice, you know, that the danger in writing a book is that I had to write the book for the bell curve. You know, people that fit like classic Mold not a lot of complexity that kind of thing and put in things that people could do safely on their own. Very different than being in practice. When you’re sitting there with somebody who Wayne Anderson taught me, Dr. Wayne Anderson that

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Know he put our clinic.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yes, I know. Yeah, he came and he spoke, he came all the way to Wisconsin. He spoke at one of our regional naturopathic conferences. And it was one of those that just like, you know, opened up all of this big thought part of my practice. And one of the things that he had said in there in the thing is, it’s not about which came first. You know, did you have Lyme as a child? And then dah, dah. It’s about what’s presenting right now. And that’s going to be, I love that you said moving target. Cause that’s totally a moving target as you vitalize one thing or as you peel a layer there the next things that come up.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Yeah, exactly. You peel a layer off and another one comes bubbling up and we don’t know which one it is but once we resolve one infection another one presents.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, yeah.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Which is why I have detoxification and nasal treatment going on constantly for these patients so as we’re healing more infections there’s going to be more aggravation of Mast Cells from byproducts of dying cells and dying infections and the infections are dumping biotoxin. So constantly detoxing and using Mast Cells so we’re killing the moving target.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, I mean the immune deficiency isn’t just about infections, increased risks of infections. Our immune system is our garbage cleanup crew.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

 Right.

Jill Crista, N.D.

And so if that’s not happening there’s all this triggering material in the intracellular or the extracellular space between the cells, you know, and that’s that doesn’t get a lot of press.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

No.

Jill Crista, N.D.

That’s why we teach people about like P Lloyd therapy, getting in mud baths, about lymphatic massage about all of these things that don’t have to do with something put in your mouth has to do with moving all of that gunk so that your body doesn’t have to get triggered continuously.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Right, sauna, coffee enemas my patients end up loving them at first they’re like, you’re asking me to do that? Why do you want me to do that? But then they say, it relieves my headaches even, I feel energized, you know.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Yeah, I know we do ask our clients to do some crazy things. They’re the hardest working patients ever.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

They are, they’re an inspiration these patients truly. Well, thank you Dr. Jill.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Thank you so much.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Thank you. Is there anything else you want to share with them? Anything you want to part with, tell us about your book a little bit more.

Jill Crista, N.D.

Well, I have a little quiz online. If people are, you know, you’re listening to the summit and you’re thinking, oh man, I totally have Mold. You can go to the quiz or you get my clinical questionnaire if you’re a provider listening. And I guess just a reminder to people to trust yourself. When you’re going through this process your doctor is doing the best they can to be your body language translator but we’re still human. And we only know the tools that we know and you know, if you are not feeling like it’s in alignment with you trust that because there’s something really there.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Exactly. Well, thank you very much.

Jill Crista, N.D. 

Thanks.

Nafysa Parpia, N.D.

Thank you.