Optimize Your Detox for Healing

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Now of course, Eric, I’m so happy to spend this time with you. We know each other for decades, actually believe it for almost 25 years. And every time we chat is like we get so excited like kids, which is good, it’s a sign of health. So in my big one, I’m a physician, I’m a licensed acupuncturist and studied a lot of Chinese medicine and Mikayla, but more so an active researcher, where I actively research published papers. And with this as my interest in cancer is my focus and other how to treat illnesses, including mycotoxins and Lyme, I was always interested in innovation and formulation. I am a native of Israel. And in my neighborhood in my small street, there were the Ruth and Leocoin. 

They were both PhDs in organic chemistry, they’re not alive anymore. And they were the pioneers in the citrus industry in Israel. Israel was very famous for citrus industry, especially in the ’50, ’60s, ’70s. Most of the country was citrus. And they were the main researchers of the main industrial complex around citrus. And one day is we took our evening walk to the house, I remember, I was 12 years old, and Ruth turned out of the blue, she turned to me and he told me, “Isaac, one day they will find a cure for cancer from the pill of the citrus fruit.” And somehow I remembered it. And 24 years later, when the first research on galectins really came out by Dr. Avraham Raz, which I formally collaborate with now, I published with.

I called her up, it was in San Francisco in 1995. And I was telling her, “Ruth, it’s Isaac, I don’t expect you to remember, but I remember what you told me, I need your help.” And she put me together with some legendary pectin experts. One of them was already retired professor Pennoni. And somehow I got to plug into the the most sophisticated pectin researchers. And he helped me in a journey of developing a commercially viable, reproducible galectin-3 blocker from the pill of the citrus fruit. And what’s amazing and I reflect on it, Eric, when I talk to Dr. Avraham Raz, none of us ever dreamt and expected that we are touching a field which is so big, it started with cancer. And then as I was moving on, after a few years, I started seeing the connection with inflammation and fibrosis, and removal of heavy metals and immune enhancement, which I discovered it, I have the development and it’s the patents. 

And now it’s so big, they are close to 10,000 published papers on galectin-3. There’s every day published papers on galectin-3. And even on our compounds, there is more than 75 papers. But it all started with this intriguing comment that somehow got into, stuck in my mind. And it’s really, I see as if it is nature’s gift. No, it’s really nature’s gift .

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yes, I love that. I mean, the magic of life, you know, that always warms my heart when these things that some people would just let pass by, but the right person held on to. And the modified citrus pectin is, well, that’s what we’re gonna weave through our conversation because I mean, like, as we were talking before, how chronic inflammation in all of its ways is what really, to me is chronic illness, and how you have found such an interesting, you know, organic, safe tool for us to use in the healing path. So, you know, how do you connect this with the mycotoxin world? I guess let’s start there. I mean, like, where, you know, we’ll go back to survival and all the important things, but I just wanna jump in, where do you connect the mycotoxins and the galectin-3?

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Mycotoxins are enhanced in the presence of the main protein galectin-3. And I think, in order to really understand it, because Eric, one of the issues is that when you look at let’s say on the papers on pectasol, you will see we just published a multicenter trial on our modified perspective and biochemical recurrence of prostate cancer. It’s a biochemical recurrence. The process was removed and now the cancer starts coming back. When it’s coming back in a unique environment, you know and we see like, almost 80% response, and when we follow for a long time, 80% of the people who responded are responding for years, then you’ll see publication that I published in other important papers on sepsis in acute kidney injury. 

On perfusion injury, you’ll see on NASH, you see how is it possible? We really have to understand the role of galectin-3 as our fundamental what I coin, survivor protein, it’s our basic survival protein. And we are built to survive, you know?. We talk about it a lot, right? We are built to survive. It’s innate in us, and it’s automated in us. And this survival response, if it is innate and automated, we can control it. So the first reaction, is our autonomic nervous system, right? We immediately respond with a sympathetic response, so that we can also come down with the parasympathetic response. But what we have found that a lot of my personal research is that it’s a biochemical survival response, starts possibly within seconds, but differently within minutes. 

So galectin-3 will rise within minutes, within minutes, and then it will start a chain of event. A chain of events that will lead to the cytokine storm and to the abnormal inflammatory response. For example, I’ve shown in the most acceptable animal sepsis model called CLP, that if I give a modified retrospecting before the procedure is done, I attenuate dramatically the rising interleukin 6. So galectin-3 rises first, for a short time, it’s enough, it’s a message, but it starts this crazy vicious cycle. and then IL-6 goes up and up and up and up. Kidneys get damaged, the animals die. If you blow galectin-3 or you remove it, you attenuate the process. So why this is a survival response that causes inflammation. 

So now if we wanna look a little bit deeper in it, we say, how can you respond to survivor? Well, it’s a fear or flight response, fear flight or fight, we either fight, we create inflammation, or we run away or we hide. So the hiding is where we create the shield around us, and the shield in the case of mycotoxins is our biofilm. So biofilm is a very big term. Biofilm is a table sclerotic by a plaque. Biofilm really if you wanna look at biofilm in a deeper way, Eric, biofilm is really creating a micro environment, an environment that is manipulated and becomes different than the environment outside of this very small area where the players as influencers can take control. So biofilms serve microfungus where they can excrete mycotoxins. Of course they have them in the gut, and they have them in the sinuses where they can keep on excreting mycotoxin that will go into the brain. And the classical micro environment is the environment of the cancer cell, or metabolic abnormalities. So it’s really fascinating. 

Now, why is galectin-3 the key compound? Because it gets awakened almost immediately, it travels to the place of the inflammation, and it has a special structure which what we call a carbohydrate recognition domain, and it binds to different inflammatory compounds, different growth factors, different immune molecule that can suppress the immune response, and it creates a pentamer of five structures like this. And then what happen, the pentamers were lagging, through a carbohydrate like glycolipids, you know and glycoprotein will bind to another pentamer, and it creates scaffolding, it creates a lattice formation, a coating, literally, structurally. And this is really the backbone of the biofilm. Overheat, you got heavy metals and oxidized phospholipids, and a lot of other growth factors. And the microenvironment is the survival response. 

So when the fungus they’re under stress, either the person is under stress, there is dysbiosis, we took antibiotics, the environment is changing its fights, and, you know it’s so well, you are such an expert in Lyme, but rarely under stress will wake up. It’s a survival response. So in this sense, galectin-3 will enhance mycotoxins and will also allow it mycotoxin dysbiosis, aggressive bacteria, LPS, now, it carries LPS, it will allow it to attach to the gut, it will create inflammation in the gut, and it will create systemic inflammation. And this is why you see such a basic and powerful effect of galectin-3 on practically all neuroinflammatory illnesses, it is connection of the gut and the brain. So this is a little bit about the idea of what a survivor response does. And we can revisit it and talk how to change it, you know because we’re talking about it because there are solutions.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

There are solutions, yeah. And I just just wanna emphasize, I mean, what you’re saying is just I mean, it’s beautiful. And so important is that this response, the galectin-3 is a molecule but if you release it for a short period of time, it’s signaling and doing its job, it’s but for some reason, when it stays as a persistent signal, is when we get into trouble.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Right, it’s more than this. The mechanism of repair by galectin-3 is inflammation and fibrosis, that’s a problem. So you’re taking the wrong pathways. If you look at galectin-3, five, we’re showing the diagram, I will show that it affects macrophage, and widen to macrophage create inflammation, they will secrete the different cytokines, IL-1B, IL-6, etc, TNF alpha and you will go down the inflammatory path, create extracellular matrix inflammation and fibrosis or it will enhance TGF beta, and you will go through myofibroblast. And you will create fibrosis in the heart, in the liver, in the lungs, in the kidney, everywhere. 

So, even for the same person, galectin-3 will control the two most fundamental processes, the fighting process, inflammation, the hiding process, fibrosis. But they all end up with dysfunction. So if you look for example, at centenarians, okay? Galectin-3 goes up with age because there’s more repair, more trauma. If you look at centenarians, the average level of galectin-3 in centenarians the average was 104, is dramatically and significantly lower than if you look at a sample of the people in the ’70s and ’80s, why? Because this you see in the ’70s and ’80s. There’s really need to look at the study, a group that are really low. These are the groups are gonna be the centenarians. So there’s something about our ability to repair without leaving a scar, notice a Buddhist term, like a bird flying in the sky, when like if you don’t attach to your thought, nothing is left. 

So a baby gets injured, it repairs without a scar. It has the ability to repair without a scar. You know in utero, we lose this ability over time for different reasons. Mycotoxins, heavy metals, emotional stress, epigenetics, whatever the reason is, and we get and it triggers this abnormal survival response. In mycotoxins, it’s key. It’s key because this was the abnormal inflammatory response. The mast cell activation happens, the hyper inflammation, the relationship between the organ. And that’s why addressing galectin-3 is the root of practically every treatment that you will give because it’s driving, if you look at the research, it’s driving every single process.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

I guess one of these days, I’m always like to go to the beginning. If you so when you have a little bit of it, so it’s your ability to turn it off quickly. But if you don’t turn it off quickly, then it keeps driving the response, why?.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

It’s a little bit more than this. You can block galectin-3, you can remove galectin-3 like what my research work with , but yet, in the local tissue when you need galectin-3, it can still be expressed because it’s needed, prevents the overexpression. So it’s literally about just allowing to get the message and then comes the whole system. So if we are very resilient, if we’re very flexible, we let go. So, you know, we talked about it in some of our last talks that we spent time together, it’s really about letting go. When something happened and we addressed and we let go, everything is different, we let go of emotion, we let go of traumas, we let go of thoughts, there is better circulation, everything is flowing, we look at our heart, if our heart stops contracting and we stopped flowing, we are dead.

So when we hold to something, when you create a rigid environment, it’s really the difference between life and death. And that’s really what happen in the micro environment, we create a toxic environment, even in the presence of oxygen in other tissues. And once you get a toxic environment, then the whole chain of event and the pathways changes in the cell. So in oncology, it will be P53 and AKT and mTORC1 and AJF and the mitochondria get blocked and you get the Warburg effect. In diabetes, you get AMPK and the metabolism changes. Now these are very similar metabolism that you see in mycotoxins, the mitochondria stops functioning, why? The cell lost its ability to take a deep breath.

Lost its ability to just relax, to feel safe. So it’s about reintroducing the sense of safety and anything goes, any method from blocking galectin-3 which is fundamental to training your mind, to working on your emotions, to opening your heart to others, to sharing and to feeling safe on a cellular level, and as a being, as a community, as a country, as a planet. I mean, we see it right now, right?

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, now, absolutely, it’s funny, ’cause it’s in a way the Warburg effect is, is the inability for the cell to exhale, ’cause the oxygen goes in, but it’s not used.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Right, exactly.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

I like that. Yes, we forget to exhale. Oh, God, that is.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

In order to inhale, we have to exhale. We’re gonna go to different places because our character, exhalation is the root of detoxification. We come to this world, what’s the first thing we do? We exhale, we cry. What is the last thing we do in life? We exhale before we leave our bodies. One final exhalation. So when you exhale, you create space. And when you create space, change can happen. You can’t inhale, if you didn’t exhale, you need to have room. And as you know the lungs’ natural movement is a moment of acceleration of letting go. In Chinese medicine is the fall season when the days get shorter, in Judaism is Rosh Hashanah, you know it’s a fall, we look what we did right, what we didn’t do and we ask for forgiveness, and we exhale, we let go. In Buddhism, it’s every night we do it before our sleep, in every tradition in the same way. When we let go, there is a place of nourishment. And this is why I really call it the healing process, detoxification, transformation and healing. And it’s done very different on a cell level, like you mentioned, cell danger response, but our body is built to do it differently. And we’re kind of jumping almost to.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Keep going. You jump in beautifully, don’t worry.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

We’re almost jumping to the end, but we’re not jumping. If you look, and this goes back into mycotoxins, okay. It’s about respecting the outer environment and the inner environment. So one thing that we overlook is that we are made, I’m gonna round the numbers up a little bit, tiny bit. I don’t know why they say 37 trillion, but we are made out of let’s say 50 trillion cells. Eric, do you know how many reaction each cell has every second?

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

How many what?

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

How many reactions every cell has in every second?

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Oh God, I haven’t, I have no idea, a lot.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Up to 1 million reactions a second, okay? So you got 50 trillion cells with million reactions in one body working together. Now, if that’s not a miracle, I don’t know what’s a miracle. For us to be able to talk and comprehend is truly a miracle, you know, just for the system to work. But then we got people can argue, 50 trillion, 100 trillion, of microorganism in our microbiome, and 90% of our genetic material, is there is an amazing dialogue between us and the microbiome, with similar to dialogue between ourselves. So when we respect the microbiome, and we treat the microbiome well, in many levels, and we each come to this world with a little bit of a different baseline, then the microbiome becomes our biggest healthcare. 

I mean, it’s amazing how you need a healthy microbiome, for immunotherapy, to be able to kill cancer, or you give a drug like Adriamycin, and you give antibiotics the same day, Adriamycin is not gonna work. The microbiome is a wisdom to activate nutrients, and to even activate drugs that we need for our body. When we insult the microbiome, through dysbiosis, it goes into a fighting mode, you get abnormal bacteria, you get less variability, and fungus loves to grow, then you give it a little bit of, you sprinkle some mercury inside, you know and completely and then it gets methylated. And then all this abnormal environment is affected with the vagal nerve and affects your brain, and you really get a mess. 

But a part of it is really looking at our relationship with the microbiome in an harmonious way. And maybe to close a circle, we are built to do this, why we are built to do this, because every cell in our body wants nourishment and lets go of toxin. It’s part of the cellular survival. But there is a concept, in Hebrew, you call it , mutual support. There is a relationship between the different cells. where a cell knows, I’m gonna live, and then I’m going to end my life throughout , and another cell will come. If a cell gets stuck in a survival mode and doesn’t want to really let go, that’s per definition, what cancer is, and then you get a microenvironment. But the fungus does the same if it’s attacked. The only organ in the body that thrives on taking others’ suffering, what every cell didn’t want it, let it survival, it can’t survive without it, it is built in the heart, the heart has to take dirty blood. If it doesn’t, we’re dead. 

It connects with the universe where our drama is not very meaningful to the endless universe, we connect with oxygen, with healing. And then when you come back to the land, there is an exchange transformation in the capillary, you let go of CO2 of toxins and you get nourished, and then the heart just gives, gives without discrimination. so there aorta is stiff artery. Think about it, it gives everywhere. And who does the heart nourish first? It nourishes itself. It nourishes itself with the coronary arteries in order to be able to nourish others, but it’s part of nourishing others, now, it’s interesting, I haven’t found, it’s kind of was my insight one day when I was meditating said, oh my God, nobody’s really talking about this. 

Our heart is built to heal, to transform difficulties into love, compassion and healing and through our electromagnetic field, the field of the heart is so big, it’s 100 times bigger than the brain, it gets to every cell in our body all the time. So when we bring this into our body, and that’s why stress is an issue, it affects every cell in our body. And the other thing which is so amazing about the heart, which is really my big passion, I call the work I do open heart medicine, it’s another books I kind of written, I just have to put it out. In open heart medicine, one of the interesting we look at the heart, is the only organ that doesn’t nourish itself until it is finished its work. Think about it. It’s done, it’s getting the blood and only then it takes blood.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Then it relaxes.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

This is very unusual, right? You know, t’s very unusual because it’s okay I’ve done my work. And that senselessness of the heart is part of its role in this body. So if we can get a sense of harmony and sharing an open heart, for example, into the gut, then of course the environment changes, the fungus doesn’t feel threatened, it won’t excrete mycotoxin, then you get mycotoxin being excreted, you get the biofilm that allows the micro environment which is a toxic, we’ll call it dampness in Chinese medicine, ideal for growth of fungus, then you got a little bit of glyphosate or a lot of glyphosate, sprinkling in and messing out your tie junction in the gut. And then you know, then you get autoimmune disease, neuroinflammation, chronic kidney disease, cancers.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Well, yeah, no, glyphosate is definitely, how do you say, you know, it’s a great example. It’s in a way, it’s the flagship of the last 70 years of chemical toxins, but somehow, we managed to create one that we’ve used everywhere, all of our food, and get it totally into the environment. And that’s something that you have been intrigued with for a while now.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Yes, I’ve been intrigued about it. One of the reasons that I’ve been intrigued about it, is that I really feel like I knew it, you know, we all know about it, right? But we kind of almost accept that it’s part of reality. And we don’t realize how bad it is, until in a few years ago, it kind of clicked on me, oh, my gosh, I mean, this is like an obstacle for healing, especially in United States. I mean, and interesting, Eric, it’s very hard to get the data how much glyphosate is being used. After 214, it’s very hard, even 212, you can’t get the data even if you look for it. So some people say three, four pounds per person per year in United States that proceeds, but it’s an insane amount. And what happened, it is water soluble, but it does bioaccumulate, it’s clear now that it bioaccumulates. 

You can find it in organs of animals, you can find it in bones, and it’s really so similar to glycine, which is the smallest amino acid, that it can easily exchange with it. And the glycine motif is so common in so many protein in collagen, you know, in different tissues. And I mean, I think finally, the world is waking up, you know in so many parts in the world that life did not allow, like in Europe, and I think in the United States, supposedly in 2023, is not gonna be used anymore in the household, we really bring down their awareness, while 95% is still being used in the fields. And so it’s something we have to be aware of, and the nice thing, you know I’m solution oriented, so I’ve found, I mean, I was talking about the fact that pectasol modified perspective as a gift. So I started publishing on the heavy metal removal properties of modified retrospecting, like, started researching it in 1998. And we published a few papers on the ability of MCP to remove lead, to remove mercury, to remove uranium, cesium without depleting minerals. 

So we understood this disability, but when you look at glyphosate and pesticides, you really have to address the gut. So what modified retrospecting does, it kill its heavy metals while harmonizing the immune response, and it has a systemic effect. But our exposure to pesticide through the gut is ongoing. And for this reason, I really worked on developing something specifically to change the environment and also address negatively charged ions. And look at the glyphosate, look at which of our kingdom it affects. It affects plants, it affects the soil, and it affects the water. So I was looking for solutions from the three Kingdom because always, nature is smart, when it has a challenge it puts out a solution. So if you find the solutions, that’s my starting holistic point of view, and then the research comes into it.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

That’s always the part of your brain that I’ve loved. Is that you start from the beginning. You keep going. No, no, no, it was just ’cause that the glyphosate, you know I said, you say it’s just one piece but what concerns me so much about it is that we measured in people who are really, really careful about their organic diets and they’re clean, I mean, really clean living people, good I mean, you know, as good as you can get. And many times it’s very elevated. So, that means that this is coming in through so many different ways into the environment and into the individual.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Of course, you know if you look at pesticides in a flat area with a lot of this soil field, the corn field, you know pesticides can drive all 10, 15 miles in a horizontally. So, yeah I can have a really nice organic field in three, four miles down, especially if they are hills, you know like you know in Sonoma County . Oh, I’m eating organic and you look from the window and you see all this sprayed vineyards for like 500 acres all elevated, yeah, of course the whole water table is coming straight into your well or into your water. And I think the one place where it was very evident for all of us, is it our gluten sensitive patients, when they go to Europe, they go to Italy which doesn’t use glyphosate, suddenly they can eat pasta, they can eat bread, right?

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yes, yes.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

gluten sensitivity. So we kind of tied it to the GMO, but it’s really the glyphosate because glyphosate increases the growth of fungus on wheat. It increases the excretion of mycotoxins. Now galectin-3, activates the excretion of for example, anti-glial mycotoxin. So, glyphosate will increase the excretion of mycotoxins because of the reaction. But also, glyphosate will allow mycotoxins to thrive. And glyphosate is very tricky. And, you know it’s not the glyphosate, there are thousands of glyphosate formulations that are not regulated, okay. You know, when we get an herb we use it has one side effect, it’s in every major newspaper in the country, right? But nobody is regulating this additional compounds in the formulation, which are often more toxic than the glyphosate itself. So you get glyphosate is really, one of its mechanisms, it correlates nutrient, it correlates every metal. So for example, it will correlates tryptophan and will not allow lactobacillus to grow normally in the gut, and will enhance mycotoxins. It will create inflammation in the lining of the gut that will lead to gluten sensitivity. This is well published and documented, acceptable, but it also will increase for example, chronic kidney disease, very significantly. And chronic kidney disease is one of the most unspoken in percent of the population, 17.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

It’s considered normal example.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

And it’s an area that I do a lot of research and I published on security and AKI. So but why, you know kidney has to filter all the stuff, you know and it’s filtering it, or on the other end you get nerve inflammation life related involved in practically every disease of neuroinflammation. But if this combination with galectin-3, if you look at the Alzheimer plaque, Alzheimer plaque is 20 times the concentration of galectin-3 compared to a normal tissue. So galectin-3 will potentiate glia cells to go into an, and astrocyte to go into an inflammatory cycle without stopping, so similar to the macrophage in the bloodstream, right, and there’s some fascinating study that I wouldn’t go too much into it. 

But if you look a great study, published two years ago, showed when you did an injury in animal acute kidney injury, it increased galectin-3 levels, and then it travel to the heart and caused fibrosis and damage to the heart. When you gave it to an animal who could not produce galectin-3, or you used the MCP, you prevented the effect. Again, these are like done by big third party academic institute. But when you took an animal without the ability to produce galectin-3, okay, and you injected bone marrow that could produce galectin-3, the damage done to the kidneys sent a signal to the bone marrow that produce galectin-3, then travel to the heart and create the damage. 

So that’s an example of this injury response inflammatory compound. So galectin-3 will create neuroinflammation and glial response, glyphosate will create it. That’s why we have to address both of them. And in the gut, you will say we have to address the biofilm, change the micro environment. And we have to address the toxins, remove the pesticides. These are the manifestations of these very basic processes that are so damaging to us.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, it makes me wanna ask you a philosophical question which we don’t have to answer today. But just is that like what, you know, we have grown into a world of inflammatory diseases and it’s not just the inflammatory diseases of the aged ’cause we’re finding it in younger and younger people, all these chronic inflammatory diseases, and galectin-3, pardon me, is such a basic part of our physiology, that we used to be able to control it probably better.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Of course.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

So what is, you know I mean, like, again, it’s the lack of control that’s getting us into trouble. And that’s that question is, I mean, is it just the toxin one of load, I mean, like, over the last 120 years, and obviously, the change in the diets and now the introduction of the chemicals, whatever it is, it’s produced quite a change, that we are now seeing such inflammatory disease in young people.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

So it’s really about pacing. You know, inflammation is heat, right? And heat is kinetic energy. And kinetic energy is created by friction, if anybody listening you take your hands and you rub them will produce heat, which degrades, you know degrades whatever cells are, are being degraded by the friction. So we are now in a time of inflammation with a space between activities is getting shorter, the space between our reactivity is getting shorter, right, in the past, even it’s insane. 40 years ago, we would send a letter. My father was a civil engineer, and he worked in South Korea, and I would write letter intensively to my friends in Israel and they would mail the letters I would know what’s happening. And every two weeks I would get the letter and I would read it. Then came the phone and the cell phone. 

Now if you don’t answer a text in two minutes, what’s going on? You forgot about me. Then shortens also our span, the space between our thoughts shortens, and we create a very condensed area. So there are two, and this is so important for mycotoxin people, this is like I’m gonna give now a jewel, okay, I will define this as a jewel, okay? So in the level of the mind, we wanna create space between the thought to reduce our reactivity. That’s a hard job to do. Because our tendency is to hold, to grasp, to identify, to survive. But if we move from our heart, from our brain, from our thinking to our heart, our heart has no concepts, the heart flows all the time, it never stops to think. 

The moment it contracts we’re dead, we get hyperviscosity, elevated lipoproteins A, no oxygen. So when we move into our heart, we are increasing the spaciousness. And from the point of view of mycotoxins, one of the key things to really consider, is it our relationship to our symptom, okay? So it’s very important because that’s where mast cell activation fall in. So if we look at the survival response, one of the characteristic of survival is some people allow means, they always see, they travel going all event, right? To Jewish mantra, right? What’s the Holocaust, we forgot what we see, you know was the optimism the other part, but so we overreact, we have a headache, and you know, when I get this headache, usually I’ll feel tired, and then I’ll get this kind of symptom and this kind, and we go down the habitual chain of symptoms. But if we could just let go of the headache and not identified with other things, not hold to it, not struggle with it, we are reducing the survival response. 

The fungus in our body is getting a message, that there is less danger, you can relax, you don’t need to protect yourself. Because mycotoxins are excreted to protect the fungus, that’s why they’re excreted at any cost. And the irony of the set powered with infections, with cancer, eventually, if you kill the host, whoever is visiting the host is also gonna die. You know, it’s not good for anybody. Harmony always works better. So this is a whole approach that is happening to us right now. And this is why, while I’m a researcher, I spend a lot of time in teaching meditation and healing. And the group of patients that respond best are the patients with chronic fatigue, with mycotoxins, with this chronic inflammation where it’s very dramatic. And the reason is, it’s easier for our body to communicate in these areas, it’s much harder to communicate with a cancer cell, which is completely independent. 

It’s dysregulated, it doesn’t want to listen. So using the mind to affect cancer is very challenging. Using the minds to affect inflammation is not as challenging and once we create space, what happens? Oxygen comes in, and then once oxygen comes in and we are relaxed enough, suddenly, our insulin receptors work better, AMPK gets activated, we produce more ATP, there’s less hypoxia inducing factor. Mitochondria is starting to celebrate, glyphosate is not stealing our nutrient, and you get all the B vitamins and PDH is working well, pyruvate dehydrogenase, everybody’s happy. And we can produce energy in a relaxed, efficient manner. I mean, it’s amazing how glycolysis produces 100 times faster energy. But it’s a terrible inefficiency of two ATP per glucose, and tons of lactic acid in hypoxia. So these are the vicious cycles. 

So, you know because I know how you work and how you think. And we think similarly, we have to address an acute issue, we can’t say, let’s talk about what happened to your grandfather three generations ago, right? But at the same time, we got to address the bigger picture. And that’s the true journey of healing. So it’s a combination of seeing the really big picture, which is beyond concepts, where you don’t even set up an idea of what your patient has. You just let it express itself. But into it everything, you look at your history with the doctor, decades of experience, so you see it, you listen, and suddenly, the insights come up, right?

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

And that’s how we work.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

That if you limit yourself to a preconceived idea, like an algorithm for the regular doctors, which I really, I feel bad for, you know, they’re bright people who just took a different path, then you really don’t have choices, anything out of your scope creates survival response, creates fear, creates skepticism, because what would happen if everything you believed in was found to be no true for you and for me, we move on.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

It happens all the time . You know I always say, if I knew . The smallness of thought is just what happens when you start with algorithms, with cookbooks, and again, you need them when it’s life and death in the moment. One of the reasons I don’t think I was not as great of an ER doctor, as I had wanted to be when I first started getting into medical school was because I would say, oh, could be this, but could be six other things, too. Maybe which, you know, when you’re in the ICU, or in the emergency room, you need to make a decision quick, you know, but could be, but with the could be is what allows life and when allows the expression of the other person because, you know I say chronic disease is about, is the individual expression of the other being.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

When you don’t restrict, you’ll give the person more options. You know, often I always tell cancer patients, you always have option. At your deathbed, you have options, how you’re gonna die, how it’s gonna affect the environment. And you will always have options, we always have options and options create space, space creates letting go. And when we let go, everybody’s happier, everybody. I mean, it’s such an incredible how like, political and geopolitical crisis has happened, because both parties are not willing to let go of something that will work better for both of them, you know? It’s insane, right? And so, you know, you’ll see this all the time. So the same thing happened in the dialogue between our body. If you look in my book, “The Survival Paradox,” where we put all these decades into, which is a good book.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

It’s an excellent book, especially ’cause at the end, you’ve given some just succinct, just to do things that are not too difficult with good explanation. It’s not the kind of like how to take care of yourself book that you have to change your whole life. You just have to be open to pieces.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

But it’s also a journey. And so, you know, so we really have to really look what really it’s gonna take and so, I think when we understand this and suddenly we go to the biochemistry we recognize galectin-3, we understand why there are studies where MCP helps antibiotics and Lymes, it promotes healthy gut, you know, we did a number of .

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

MCP for everybody’s modified citrus pectin.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

And, you know so we have multiple papers on pectasol and its effect on the gut health because it’s part of releasing this survival response, but then we really have to address pesticide then more and more emphasizing it. So in this sense, you know in glypho detox, what I did, is recognizing the different kingdoms. I took a different kind of pectin, it’s not a regular pectin, it’s a pectin that is high molecular weight and it binds better lipid soluble toxins which are very important especially with mycotoxins. And it stays in the gut because I need to address the gut. So this was my plant binders, pectasol is not, there are binders and there is pectasol. Pectasol addresses galectin-3, it’s also a binder of heavy metals of toxin but it addresses a fundamental survival issue. 

When you come to addressing a pesticide and mycotoxins, so you got the pectin, and then you got the alginates. Alginates and pectins both belong to a group of called polyurethanes. They bind very well to positively charged heavy metals to toxins. They are really swamp cleaners, you know, when the toxins spill, you put alginates. But then we’re using kelp. And kelp is documented one, to bind to glyphosate, but also kelp has life. It offers us nutrient, it offers us minerals. And so this is why we are covering the water issues, the plant issue and then we come to the earth. And for the earth, one of the most amazing, left over of the earth process is Shilajit and fulvic acid and the different minerals. And fulvic acid was well documented, you know to bind to glyphosate. All of these compounds stabilize a tight junctions in the gut, so we’re getting better integrity. 

And then for people interested in formulation, you always want to fuel your formulation, and then fueling it with glycine. Because glycine helps glutathione, helps in detoxification, helps neuroinflammation. And so when you put it together, we are seeing not only helping the gut, but we’re also seeing helping neuroinflammation based, and we are now, I’m shifting some of my research activities in the level of clinical trials to this formulation, because I feel we need to make a strong statement and get some decent papers published. So we get listened to. You know, I mean, in my career right now, I got some some grants from the NIH as a principal investigator. And I’m not part of academia. But I’ve done enough work. And I have enough people who are amazing people from academia who are working with me, it was acknowledged even by the NIH. So we have to do the same thing with pesticides. 

So it moves from rumors and alternative to showing it and offering a solution. The worst thing we can do, right, is like just cause fear without offering a solution. If the basis is understanding the survival power, because the same way that we want to survive, the fungus wants to survive. The COVID-19, the coronavirus wants to survive. It’s not surprising that the spike protein of the corona is practically identical in structure to galectin-3. It’s survival you know and how it functions by creating inflammation. So it’s really we have to recognize it, everyone wants to survive, and as long as we create a harmony, but as you said, in emergencies that we got to bring the person into balance, we got to make the decision. I mean, and then I think it’s really our only way out, Eric. I mean, it’s kind of a little bit spinning out of control.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

No, I loved what you said in the middle there about, you know, how creating some space, not you know, I mean, and that’s just in all things, in our health, in our world, a little bit of space, don’t have to answer that text message in 30 seconds. And allowing, you know, and just understanding that even the microbes that we worry about, the mycotoxins, and the, you know, the fungus, but you know what, we have lived in harmony with these for billions of years, you know?.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Billions of years.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, you know ourselves grew up, the system grew up together. So it’s not like we’re implacable enemies, we really have to find a way to coexist again, inside this polluted world that we’ve created.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Eric, this is fundamental what you said to it, like people need to kind of repeat it, it’s fundamental to healing because, you know, Western medicine is based on finding a pathology and treating it. It can’t hold to the concept of maintaining health. It’s non existent, medicine is based on a pathological change which loses by the way, it’s dynamic. If you think about India, Asia, everybody has parasites and they all live their life, there is a certain level of harmony, you know of living with it. So the same thing happens here. And we really have to get to this point. But it’s a journey because often, we need to recognize we can do our best. 

But we don’t come within here in like a clean paper, we have our genetic predisposition that we are carrying. And we have our epigenetic predisposition. And there is a very beautiful saying, it’s not a biblical, it’s an old Talmudic saying that says, Everything is predicted already, but we have a choice. The prediction is our genetics, the choice is our epigenetics. And so we have a choice to change. And when we change, our environment changes. You know, in my book, I write the story about, I have a chapter towards the end, my last three chapters about how to heal, it’s called “Healing the Scars of Survive.” And I talk about my stories, the Holocaust survival, and how it affected my grandmother, my grandfather, I’m named after, I never met and my mother. 

And now when I heal from this without telling them, it affected my mother, because she was carrying the trauma from the previous generation. So when we work in this level, we are creating multi-generational healing. All of us have, you know so many cultures has their own Holocaust, their own traumas that they carry, every generation with somebody else, you know, I mean, it’s kind of amazing, you know, thinking, I mean, I’m living a good life. And most of the siblings of my grandfather were killed by Hitler and I didn’t know them. And nobody told me about it, but it was carried in him, it was passed to me, I had physical symptoms in my chest, always at pains that couldn’t explain I was a younger teacher. And when I let go of it, with meditation with my own healing, all the pains went away. 

By then my mother who could never look at any movie, or any program about the Holocaust in the early ’80s, suddenly was able to watch TV programs and go to like special evenings about that she would never be able to do before. I didn’t tell her about it. It’s our connection. So healing is bigger than what we think, and what we need to recognize is we need to be humble about our understanding and understand that linear thinking and logic is one simple plane in this multi-dimensional reality that we can perceive with our regular, you know, thinking process and just being open to it, then we have a lot of possibilities. 

And that’s why I love one of my most favorite saying is, “Not everyone will be a miracle, but anyone can be a miracle.” When we can be a miracle, what is the miracle? I know, Eric, before we started you asked me. A miracle is something that is not expected, right? So if you can define a miracle is one to 10,000, pretty impressive, you know, one to 100,000, that’s really a miracle, you know.. One to a million is like mind blown. As long as we keep the same habits, nothing is gonna change. So it’s expected, the more we can change our habits, the more a miracle can happen to us, why? Because we take a different highway. And we always have this option with every breath, and with every thought. 

So if people wanted to really look at it from my point of view, which is my big passion, and I teach on a volunteer basis, I teach mainly in Israel, but I will start teaching later this year in the US, because I’ve spent decades training Buddhism in two months a year in the mountains for 20 years, and for 10 years, half day retreat, half day work. Remember where they’ve been talking when I was going to leave on three years, and you’re gonna come and take the clinic . And I went to the mountain and then I spent months and months on my own. So we really have to really understand the multi-dimensional experience. And then it all boils down to connecting with our heart and opening it and allowing everything to flow, you know?. That’s really what it’s about.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Isaac, that was just beautiful, thank you. I mean, that really, that was the teaching. You know, I hope people appreciate, you know, how multi-dimensionally important that is, you know we have yes, modified citrus pectin, but it doesn’t matter how much you take. Changing your heart will let it all happen.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

And it’s interesting, Eric, if you think about my specialty in therapeutic apheresis, which I use a lot in mycotoxin. I’m treating the person outside their body, making it bigger than the body. So for me, it was interesting in my own journey, asked me to share that on one level ahead is very from younger, this very strong draw to esoteric to meditation, not because I had a the trauma, I had a great childhood, something is a calling in me. In the same time I ended up being the leader, leading clinician driver of galectin-3 and dissolving it, which creates isolation, you know. 

One of the key organs that galectin-3 affects is heart failure, but not all heart failure, ejection preserved heart failure, which is, when the heart becomes fibrotic, it becomes hard. We are not giving, we can’t expand, you know. So it’s always fascinating for me how I came to it from a pure science, breakthrough, publication, research, and from my own non-conceptual, just, you know, being in the mountain, studying with many of the great meditation masters in the Himalayas, and now that I’m not as young, it’s coming together. And so really, my journey now is sharing it in every possible way. That’s really what drives me to share. That’s why I wrote my book, took me to my early ’60s to put things in writing.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Well, thank you for doing it. I mean, Isaac, it is beautiful. And, you know, I can only say it is, you know you spoke so much wisdom. And it is so true that, you know our medicine is, you know, the NIH, it’s all based on pathology, it’s useful, but it doesn’t get you back to health. It just keeps you from dying, which is, you know, many of us will take that, but you want to be alive. But you have to go for health, and healing. And that is a nonlinear process for sure. Thank you so much.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Every conversation with you, I learn so much, it’s the best. It’s very inspiring to talk to you. I mean if you can know because, you know I can relate, you know, I can just feel it. I can just, you know, I think both of us remember our first conversation over 20 years ago when, you know I looked at each other said, oh my God, we can understand each other, you know somebody to talk to you.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

And yeah, so it’s a journey, that we will continue.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Thank you so much. Thank you for the opportunity.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Yes, really, yes, you too. There’s so many blessings, Isaac, and just people should just read the book, it really is just a work of the heart. And also, just, you know, I can only say that the pectin products, and the thought, I wanna end this, just with the thought, the balance that you put into it, because that’s what comes from the deeper work, you know?. There’s the biochemistry. It is from that deep understanding of Tibetan medicine, I think that brings the balance to what you create. So thank you again.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Thank you.

Eric D. Gordon, M.D.

Blessings, bye-bye.

Isaac Eliaz, MD, MS, LAc

Bye.