Tapping into the Power of Bioenergetics

Harry Massey

Oh, thank you, Tom. Yes, great pleasure, because I love speaking about energy medicine.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. So tell us, we were talking about, you asked me where did my interest start in energy medicine? And I’m curious, where did your interest start? Obviously, you got the interest piqued when you were sick. That’s a lot of times when people get interested in energy medicine, but talk to us a little bit about your journey.

Harry Massey

Oh, sure, so when I was 21, or just before I was 21, I was this really avid rock climber. I used to climb like 4,000 meter overhanging faces in the Alps. I’d climb like a 100 foot, well, free climb 100 feet above the waves, with the waves crashing below in England. When I was 21, unfortunately, I ended up climbing up this mountain, getting a fever while I was climbing. And then I fell. And then after that I ended up bedridden for years. And maybe I’ll just describe that a bit more. But basically, when you’re ice climbing, you know, ice can be really, really brittle. And so I was sort of ice climbing it was like teeter, teeter, teeter, shatter, my ice pick fell out, me with it. I fell a few hundred feet down the mountain.

Tom McCarthy

Whoa.

Harry Massey

Fortunately, onto a very steep snow slope, so I managed to get an rest. But I didn’t know that at the time, but I actually fractured my spine that day, which I didn’t discover for another three years, ’til I had an x-ray. Because when you’re 21, you just put up with some pain. Anyway, after that the next time I went out to the Alps to go off mountaineering, I ended up so, so exhausted, because this fever gave me all this post fall fatigue, and my body was pretty battered up at this point. Basically, I was so exhausted, I ended up stuck in this tent for a week. I was up in a glacier in the French Alps just eating dried bananas. Anyway, I to summon up enough energy to get myself back to the car. And it took me about a week to drive back from the Southern Alps back to England. And that was the beginning of proper bed bound, bed bound chronic fatigue, and it really did take me, it took me about seven years to get out of bed, out from being stuck in my parent’s house. And I literally did try, well, I tried everything for a month. Like Ozone, I like the really low magnesium levels. I was one of these IV drips for years, actually. Every diet you could think of, homeopathy, acupuncture, all these different things.

Tom McCarthy

All the things I tried, too. Sounds very familiar, very familiar.

Harry Massey

Indeed, and unfortunately, my health really wasn’t getting that much better. I mean, I was probably a bit a bit cleaner. But I was so stressed, so stuck in that parasympathetic, or sorry, so stuck in the sympathetic stress response. And just so chronically exhausted, I just couldn’t sum up enough energy to heal. I think that’s a really, really important thing, is you need a lot of energy to heal. And when you have very, very little, zero energy, it’s really hard to get better, because your body just doesn’t have the energy and resources to elicit that healing response that you need. Long and short, I suddenly realized it’s like, oh, if I don’t have any energy, maybe I should study where energy came from. It was Yahoo at the time, this was 25 years ago. But Yahoo’s the dominant search engine. Anyway, I was looking up energy, and I came across this term bioenergetics, which is the study, I say it’s now the study, detection, and correction of energy in living systems. 

I was like, well, who are the prominent researchers in this space? I came across this scientist from Australia called Professor Pete Fraser, and he’d set up the first acupuncture college in Melbourne University, now it’d be about 45, 50 years ago. He ended up leaving Melbourne University, and just because Melbourne University didn’t actually like his stunning, shiny . And he ended up mapping the energy, the human body field in a much more detailed manner. And then he was also helping patients on the side to pay for the research really. I came across this article on quantum biology which he’d written, which I only understood like 10% of it. But you know, as you sometimes do, I just had this intuition that I really needed to get to know Peter. And also, had a completely crazy idea. I’ve got more crazy ideas for later, but a crazy idea 25 years ago, which was to create a home wellness system that could help people from the comfort of their own home. 

And the thing for me is, A, I was super sick. Well, I was super sick. I just thought if there was a way of helping people at home, ’cause I couldn’t travel to doctors to actually find out , or I’d have to rely on my parents, which you don’t really want to sort of get them to do that all the time. And I just thought, yeah, A, I could get some income, B, I could help other people get better. And C, well see, what I really wanted was to get better myself. And fortunately, Peter liked that idea. We agreed to meet. And we ended meeting in Los Angeles, and I flew from England, he flew from Australia. And for whatever reason we actually got on quite well. I mean, I was 26, very sick, and he was like 57. So I had just slightly, there’s a very large sort of gap in there. But for whatever reason this intellectual chemistry worked. 

Anyway, we ended up forming this company called NES Health to basically make this home wellness system. It actually ended up a practitioner system, because actually, well, because I was so young and naive, and didn’t have any money or any staff. And my friend’s father was like, “Why don’t you give this to practitioners “because you’re really not ready for the public.” So oh, okay. So anyway, so we ended up building out this practitioner company. It was just an amazing process. Basically, did 10 more years of R&D to refine what we now call the bioenergetics wellness system. Obviously, I’ve got my health back, which is another incredible story. But anyway, there you go.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome. Yeah, very, very cool. Hey, one thing that I love that you said. You said, “You need energy to heal.” People who are sick, and many of those people are in their sympathetic nervous a lot of the time, because they’re afraid. And they’re burning up energy. That’s what I noticed when I had chronic fatigue. I didn’t have it for as long as you had. But I was burning up so much energy, and I’m like, why am I so tired? I just slept for 12 hours, and I couldn’t walk to the bathroom. But I was burning up energy.

Harry Massey

Yup.

Tom McCarthy

You need it. Yeah, go ahead.

Harry Massey

When you’re sick, your control system, if you like, is just super, super inefficient. A bunch of examples of that. If you exercise hard and all your muscles are tight, just when your muscles are tight, that actually burns up more energy. We already spoke about the sympathetic system. When you’re stressed, anxious thoughts just churn around your head. It’s burning off the energy. If you’ve got some low-lying viral, post-viral fatigue where you immune system hasn’t quite tackled the viruses in you, like it’s always going, it’s always mildly trying to elicit this immune response, but it doesn’t have enough energy to totally resolve it. So it’s also burning off energy. You know, really, I think one of the most important things in healing is to actually get your control system to be energy efficient, because, I mean, it’s pretty simple. 

But basically, if you’ve got enough energy, if you’ve more energy to heal than you’re actually using currently, you will elicit a healing response. You get on the path to getting better. But when you’ve got less energy than you actually need to elicit a healing response, you do just stay in that state. I sort of describe the body as basically a bit like a body battery. I mean, basically, that’s really the whole game, is you want to conserve your energy, and gently build up your energy reserves till you can get in a place where your body can heal itself, and get itself back to being efficient. It’s super hard to realize that. Not many people teach it either. It’s a bit of an odd one.

Tom McCarthy

What you’ve been doing is you’ve been looking at ways to connect technology to humanity to help with that, is that correct?

Harry Massey

Yeah, I mean our whole thing is, well, let’s make the body’s control system more efficient. Certainly you are sort of basically replenishing energy, and get yourself better. And we do it in a few different ways. But I’ll just describe how we do it in our NES practitioner company. We have a system, you can actually do it through voice. We used to do it through a scanner, where we’ll basically scan your whole body field, the energy field of the body. And we’d look for there’s blocks in that energy flow. So you might have a block in your kidney meridian, or in your heart. Or there might be a mind, body connection that you might have trauma that’s causing your energy block. 

But by basically firstly, we’d identify that. And then secondly, we basically want to illicit a healing response, hopefully in that area, so we can get the energy to flow again. To do that, we use, well, we use what we now call infoceuticals, but it’s basically, we take a biological blueprint of how a different part of the body is when it’s working optimally. And we present that to the body. The body, fortunately, as long as it’s not energy run, it generally is, it’ll basically elicit a healing response. It’ll correct that part of your body control system. And obviously, energy starts to flow again, and you start to feel better.

Tom McCarthy

Wow. So you can actually scan, you can scan the body and see where the blockage are, and be able to correct those. That’s really, really cool. And that’s with your NES technology?

Harry Massey

Yeah, we call it the Bioenergetic Wellness System, and that’s on NEShealth.com. I can’t remember, I think there’s like 1,200 practitioners around the world. And I say around the world. It’s mostly in the States, and in Europe, and Australia, not necessarily in other countries.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s awesome. So people can find practitioners there?

Harry Massey

They can, but because we can do it through, because we can do it through voice, we can actually do it all remotely. So it’s a cloud-based system.

Tom McCarthy

Wow.

Harry Massey

You have to do physically to a practitioner.

Tom McCarthy

That’s amazing, so talk about the voice. How do you do it through voice? That’s really interesting.

Harry Massey

Ah, what a question. You know, no one’s asked me, but that’s good. Basically, through resonance. In physics there’s this principle of quantum entanglement, which is really saying that absolutely everything in reality is connected. And another way, well, sometimes people use the word holographic. Like for instance, you can do palm reflexology, or do a foot reflexology, and every part of the body is reflected on the palm. There’s iridology, every part is reflected in the eye. In a similar way, basically every organ and part of your body is also reflected in the voice. Basically, we just mapped out all these sets of frequencies, and then we just found different resonances with all these different parts of the, sorry, the different parts of the voice.

Tom McCarthy

Interesting. That’s fascinating. So people can, literally, in their home, talk or do something where you’re-

Harry Massey

You just talk for… Well, generally we just have them count up to 20. Count for 20 seconds, and that gives us enough information, or it gives us enough of a tag, as I say. Because it’s really working on resonance. You know how people will do muscle testing?

Tom McCarthy

Sure.

Harry Massey

Or testing, or these old vigor test type things. It’s a similar idea. We’re basically using the voice as the sort of that we’re testing against. So we’re basically just asking through this voice sample, is your heart healthy, is your kidney healthy, all these different organs, and then we’re basically using a resonance technique against that. And we’ve basically done some statistical analysis on that. And then we basically just end up looking… Well, we’re basically, looking at the deviation away from normal, and if . Basically to be around this sort of normal mean. I’m getting a bit too mathematical. But basically, we just look for spikes that are very, very unlikely to be random. And if they’re very statistically significant, we know that that’s a priority within the body. And ’cause we have cloud-based software, and we have these health questionnaires that people do as well, we’ve basically been able to correlate all that statistically. Anyway, I’m probably get-

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s fascinating. So everything’s working together. The voice can give out information, just like the pulse, or any other system of the body. I was reading earlier your moonshot idea of recoding the body’s healing system, which sounds like you’ve done a lot of it already, and restoring one billion people to health. One of the things you said too, that helped your recovery from chronic fatigue, was not just making it about you, having a cause bigger than yourself. Talk about that a little bit.

Harry Massey

Sure, that definitely helped pull me out, ’cause you know when you, well, you know, if you’ve just got the desire, and obviously, it’s a very natural desire that you just want to get better. Not necessary so many people are gonna help you, but like in our case, because our sort of our purpose and our cause was to help lots of people get better, and a byproduct, obviously, I did hope I would get better, too, but that was sort of more of a byproduct of the thinking. That’s actually what attracted people and the knowledge like we had a teacher from . If I’d just gone to him and said, “Treat me,” or he would have charged me, seen me a couple of times. That’s not quite the same as like, “Peter, let’s make this home wellness system and help lots of people.” Well, I got to spend huge amounts of time with him over 10 years. Unfortunately, he died in the end. Basically, that purpose that was bigger than myself brought in amazing scientists and amazing practitioners, which obviously, I gained a lot of knowledge from to help ourselves get better. Yeah, purpose is super, super important in life, for sure. And even if, let’s say, the state I was in, super sick, and no money, et cetera. And obviously, a lot of people listening, you may be in a position, all I would say is even when you’re right down in rock bottom, honestly, you can have a purpose bigger than yourself. And having that purpose will help lift you out, even though it will seem really daunting at the time. And it is incredibly daunting. But I it works.

Tom McCarthy

Well, you have a huge heart. I could tell when I first, and we just met recently via email, after somebody from the summit had met you, and say, “Hey, you should be a speaker.” I had not been feeling well the past couple days. My family was like, “Go get a COVID test.” And so my daughter scheduled it. And I’m like, “I don’t think I have COVID.” But I went there and I did not have COVID, but I think I had some kind of flu-like symptom. And as soon as you heard that you’re like, “Okay, here’s what you need to do,” and you’re giving me advice. And sent me a couple of your, you sent me a couple things from your, well, what did you send me? They haven’t come in quite yet, I can’t wait to try them.

Harry Massey

They’re called SkinCeutical, but it’s, I’ll have to word this delicately. Definitely with the era we’re in, the wonderful censorship era. Although, I think in the summit it’s not censored, so we could. So it’s pretty interesting. Basically, in the San Diego University at the moment, because all grants last year, all medical grants all got shifted to COVID. The university there obviously, are pursuing all this COVID research. I met, he’s called Professor Hennel, he’s head of the cardiology and neuro, not cardo, neurobiology, or something like that at San Diego University. I met him at a Joe Dispenza event, because he’s doing research for Joe Dispenza. And we got talking, and COVID comes up a lot in people’s conversations these days. We have some sets of information that could work as like preventative measure. I can’t say it’s corrective measure, so you can read between the lines. Basically, anyways we sent, anyways, then these SkinCeutical. And he’s basically, he can take, sorry, lung tissue culled. And then we feed into the medium . It’s just information that will help lung tissue reject certain viral particles. I’m not gonna say it directly.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Harry Massey

You can guess what I’m saying. And then they basically put the viral fragments into the lung tissue, and they can measure how far the viral fragments will penetrate or get rejected. Basically, you’re gonna see this very strong response of the lung tissue reject the viral fragments more when we’ve imprinted it with our bio information. Unfortunately, I can’t make that publicly available. They would come with me with a sniper gun.

Tom McCarthy

We’d see them dragging you out of your-

Harry Massey

You can use some privately, at no cost.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. So you are a movie maker, also, which is really super cool. Your biggest hit was the “Living Matrix.” And then I think you had another project called “Supercharged.” Can you talk about the movies a little bit?

Harry Massey

Yeah sure, you know one of the things, when you don’t… Well, people don’t read a lot… People don’t necessary read lots of books, but they watch movies more. And whenever it was, 12 odd years ago, we were like, we knew what we were doing was doing pretty amazing, but we also knew you a lot of people had never heard of it, and didn’t know that bioenergetics can get… So we just thought, well, let’s make a movie. And again, it’s a case of being completely innocent and ignorant of what you’re getting into. But fortunately, one of our customers owned, he owned a video advertising company. His name was Greg Becker. We got talking and we basically just started to make a movie out of film edit, et cetera. See I knew the sort of content, and who to go and interview. So I did the interviews, and he basically did all the production. I think we had beginners luck, because it ended up the best selling health documentary, a couple in a row back in ’08.

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome, yeah.

Harry Massey

Right in the middle of the financial crisis, it was fun.

Tom McCarthy

And then the second movie, “Supercharged,” when did that come out?

Harry Massey

Let’s see, the second was “Choice Point.” “Choice Point, Align Your Purpose.” Which if you to know more about purpose on that side, that’s a great movie. And that has like Richard Branson, you mentioned Barbara Marx Hubbard. Your friend, Jack Canfield is in it. John Paul DeJoria, Dalai Lama.

Tom McCarthy

The Dalai Lama, wow, okay.

Harry Massey

Actually, do you know what? He’s in our course about… He’s not actually in the movie. I don’t want to misplace that. Anyway, what was I saying? Anyway, you know, that one, unfortunately, Greg was going through a divorce. He couldn’t make it with us. So we did that one alone. That was actually very expensive. It’s very . It didn’t work out as well as the other one. But the cause you to film it was good. That was financially harder. Anyway, that’s a whole other little story. But anyway, and then years later we made another one called “Supercharged.” It was more just looking at… Actually, it was looking at that body factory type idea, and there was a main sort of concept that was quite interesting, which is basically how the body can work as a water factory, and it really looks into how water works in the cell, and photons and infrared, either when it hits structured water, it spins out electrons. Electrons basically is sort of primal energy source of the body, even though we don’t really think that. But even food. Food ultimately gets converted down to an electron transfer, the transfer chain. Oxygen is a source of electrons. Light is grounding. All these things. And ultimately, we’re all living off electrons as sort of overall, you know, I call it like it’s basically a body water factory. Anyway, I don’t know. We like looking at odd concepts that people-

Tom McCarthy

Well, they’re not odd. I love these concepts too. Where can people find these movies now, Harry?

Harry Massey

You know, if you’re a client of NES or opt in on NESHealth.com-

Tom McCarthy

And by the way, NES is N-E-S Health dot com?

Harry Massey

Yeah, if you opt in there or become a client or sign up to a free client account, all the movies are in-

Tom McCarthy

That’s awesome.

Harry Massey

Under this portal dot NES . But otherwise, you can find them in iTunes and Gaia TV, and .

Tom McCarthy

Okay.

Harry Massey

All that, all that sort of places.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, but a great way to do it is to go to NESHealth.com, opt in, and then you have access to the movies. That’s awesome. So you’re writing a book about the four physics principles that if applied can help restore energy for life. Can you tell us what those four principles are, Harry?

Harry Massey

Yeah, well, we’ve written the book.

Tom McCarthy

Oh, it’s already done. Okay, cool.

Harry Massey

I think you can also get, I think you get that book on NESHealth.com as well.

Tom McCarthy

Wow, okay, I’m going to sign up today. The book and the movies.

Harry Massey

I’m going to check later what happens when you sign up now. But yeah, so yeah, principle one is that life is an energy exchange. Some of these ideas, we’ve talked about, but basically it’s an exchange of energy with your environment. Two is field… Actually, I think three is fields govern energy, which is basically this whole idea that basically an energy field is basically your overall control system, and above genetics and biochemistry. Can’t remember what two is off the top of my head, because it’s a project from two years ago, and so a few years ago. And then the fourth one is information opposes entropy, which people can be like, “What’s that?” But basically, the body and life loves order. And our whole thing, by providing information to the body is to help it get more ordered. And disease is going towards disorder, and cancer is like the ultimate manifestation of that, where you have entropic and chaotic systems that you end up with death. And really, from a practical point of view, within bioenergetics, we’re just trying to help the body get away from, and provide order. We’re trying to help the body’s controls to become more energy efficient, and we also teach people how you can exchange vitamin C to get plenty of energy, recharge that body back, but yeah, if you can optimize the body control system, and also raise your body’s energy, health will be the result.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. So amazing stuff you’ve done already. You’re helping so many people. I know you’re not done yet. You’ve got more things coming. And I don’t know how much you can talk about it, but I know you’ve been working with wearables and different things like that. Can you give us a little sneak peak of some things that might be down the road, or that you’re working on?

Harry Massey

Yeah, 100%. So our original, original dream was really to help a person like at home who really wants to help themselves rather than necessarily get on and work with a practitioner. So basically, we’ve got this new brand, probably I think it’ll hit the market around like March, April, which is-

Tom McCarthy

2022. March, April 2022?

Harry Massey

Exactly, the domain is energy number 4 life.com, and so you can see some information about that. But basically, if you’re really interested, but basically, it’s a personalized energy management system to basically help your energy, so we’d be thinking about. And it’ll basically detect, correct, and protect your energy. And how it’s detecting your energy, so you know how you have like an Oura Ring or a loop to give you an overall indication of your health? And insider that we has got some knowledge of Chinese medicine, you can just by doing finger pressure on your , you can pick up 29 different TCM, you know, and we realized we must be able to do that with a PPG sensor. So we started mapping, looking at basically the shape of the overall pulse wave, instead of just operate there based on your heart rate, which every other Fitbit app would do. And yeah, that’s been pretty fascinating. So we’ve basically got that down to a little sticker, where we can pick up the shape of your pulse 24/7. 

And you can pick up sort of and TCM, obviously this whole body battery idea so you know where you are, your energy. But also, you know where you are in all these core emotions. And then that’ll move on to the correct bar. So within our NES world, we send you these bottles infoceuticals in the post, where we’ve basically imprinted information into structured water, and you drink structured water. But you can actually do that directly into the body, so it just made this… It basically just used this like red, green, and red light on PMF, and then we’ve used these similar sets of information that we’re now mapping the human body field in NES. But it’s all tied in directly to what the sticker is, you know, so it’s basically constant. It’s constantly helping you to basically balance your energy and restore your health in real time. So yeah, it’s like a real wearable watch and a little sticker. 

And then to protect it, which is protect your energy, that actually is a nice new idea, but we’ve basically made these personalized meditations. And instead of like a, I guess, the standard meditation, it’s personalized readings that it’s getting from you. If you, for instance, need more courage in that moment, or you have some trust issues, all the words… Anyway, basically the words personalize to what’s going on for you that day. Maybe it’s not… If you can help yourself get in your parasympathetic state, you can help unblock some of the trauma and the things that are going on in your mind. You’re able to save much, much more energy, and you know, back to what we were saying before, if we can calm you down and help you recover and replenish your energy, then at some point you have more energy than you need, you will elicit a healing response and recover your health, so that will protect your energy as well as detect-

Tom McCarthy

I love it. Wow, I love that. I’ll be one of your first customers. I love things like-

Harry Massey

I think actually, just to be honest, speaking to some, actually, vessel and some other people, I think by the time this summit is, we’re going to have a presales page up on that domain.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, cool.

Harry Massey

You can register your interest.

Tom McCarthy

Perfect.

Harry Massey

Yeah, that’ll be cool.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and the website, again, tell us what it is, Harry.

Harry Massey

It’s energy4, like the number 4, life.com.

Tom McCarthy

Energy4life.com.

Harry Massey

Yeah.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, great. Awesome. Wow, you know, I love how in the best of all worlds, technology can merge with this in a way where it is really, really helpful. Not harmful, but helpful, and it seems like that’s what you’re doing. With NES, you’ve done that, and now with energy4life, and the products you’re going to be bringing out, you’re doing that too. It’s going to be so helpful to so many. I think your goal of bringing a billion people to health is definitely something that you’re going to accomplish, so it’s amazing. Any final words you’d like to share with people that are watching this? You’ve given them a lot of really cool ideas and a better understanding of how the body works, and some potential ways that they can access your technology. Any other things you’d like to share with them?

Harry Massey

No, I wanna just share a general thing that probably applies to all these, the interviews and spaces, but trillions of dollars have gone into studying bioenergetics… Sorry, studying biochemistry, pharmaceuticals, genetics, et cetera. And really hardly any dollars has gone into looking at bioenergetics, so basics the physics of biology. But basically, I really believe the next 20, 30 years, it’s , sort of, I think that’s going to start turning down, as people really realize the importance of the physics of biology. And all I would say is like bioenergetics, it really is really like the same… It’s the same… Sorry. 

It’s just the other side of healthcare to bioenergetics, and I think you’re going to see in the next 20, 30 years it’ll have its rightful sort of equal place to biochemistry, and you know, there’s a lot of… I think, yeah, it’s just… And I know a lot of us in this field over, because we haven’t had resources. Like we believe it, we know it, but we haven’t had the science necessary to help back us up. But I would say like when you actually start looking into it, the science is there, and I don’t know if there’s any scientists listening who want to help, go please just look me up, because we’re completely dedicated to helping the science field prove all this out, so yeah.

Tom McCarthy

I love it. Yeah, I love that. Well, you’re right. There’s, as you said, billions and billions and billions, maybe even trillions of dollars going down one route, more a traditional way. What if a fraction of those resources went down this route? I think there could be some huge breakthroughs, because I think this is the right route anyways, right? This is the route where you’re gonna really delve into the body and not look at it as much like a science project, but this living system that can be interacted with in ways that are not just dealing with the symptom, but really bringing it to a higher level of just vibrancy and life, and thank God you’re a pioneer that’s helping people start to realize that and providing some really great solutions right now, and then coming up again in March or April of next year that they can access. So Harry, thank you so much for being a part of this summit, and also, helping to sponsor this summit. It’s been great having you on board. And I know a lot of people will be going to NESHealth.com, accessing the videos there that you made, the films that you made, they get the book, and then also, you can find a practitioner, or you can become a practitioner potentially too, and then energy4, number 4, life.com. That technology looks amazing. As I said, I’ll be one of your first customers. So Harry, thanks so much for being part of this summit.

Harry Massey

No, thank you. It was a great pleasure. And thank you for doing this interview so early on a Sunday morning, because of all the time constraints. Great appreciated.

Tom McCarthy

No problem, I’m glad we were able to do it, Harry. Have a great rest of your day. You’re gonna climb a mountain later today? What’s up?

Harry Massey

Definitely going to go hiking.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, hiking.

Harry Massey

your company to plan out how we’re going to release all this science, which is gonna be interesting.

Tom McCarthy

Okay, a lot of work to do. Have a great day, Harry. We’ll talk soon.

Harry Massey

Thank you.