Using Reconnective Healing To Resolve Disease

Dr. Eric Pearl

Well, thank you. I’m glad to be here. Very honored for the interview.

Jason Prall

So take me back to that moment when you’re doing kind of general chiropractic stuff and all of a sudden you recognized, or your patients recognized, that there was something happening with your hands and the energy. What was that like the first time that was kind of brought up in your office?

Dr. Eric Pearl

Well, it’s funny because you ask, you know, what was that first moment? The first moment is really not ever the first moment. It’s the first moment that we become aware, that it steps into our cognitive consciousness. So we won’t go all the way back to the birth process. How about if we start a little past that. I went home one night. Let’s just say it was an unusual evening. I went to sleep. And an hour later, I was awakened by a very bright light. And when I opened my eyes to look, it wasn’t anything seemingly spiritual or metaphysical. It was simply the lamp next to my bed, for some reason, turned itself on. Had that lamp for 10 years. It wasn’t in the habit of turning itself on, but there it was. And my bedroom door, which I always closed before I went to sleep, was open, which of course brought me to wonder. It felt a little bit like someone was in my house. And logically then, it seemed like someone could be in my house. So I got up and found the largest knife I could get my hands on. And I had an old empty can of pepper spray from a self defense course I’d probably taken 15 years prior, and my Doberman Pinscher. And the three of us, you know, all of us went searching through the house to discover that we couldn’t find anyone. So I decided to go back to sleep ’cause I knew if I were up all night, I’d be a wreck for my patients the next day. And I went back to sleep. But that Monday morning when I went into my office, a few strange things started happening. My patients started telling me that they could feel my hands before I touched them. I said, “Oh yeah, sure you can. “Close your eyes.” And they closed their eyes and I held my hands in different directions and angles. And they could tell me whether it seemed to be aiming towards their right foot or their left ear. As I moved my hands around, their bodies went into involuntary movements, which later we called registers as more and more of my patients continued having this response. And their eyes would involuntarily flicker back and forth and move all over the place. And when they opened their eyes, they told me they were seeing colors they’d never seen before, smelling flowers they had never smelled before, and that they had experienced being places that they had never been before, being spoken to, communicated with. And I thought: Well, this was interesting people were having this experience. And I’m watching it. And it had never happened before in my up to 12 years of practice that day. So maybe I’d better pay attention to it. 

It became more intriguing as some of my patients who came in in wheelchairs walked out without the wheelchair. Not all of them, but some of them. Started getting phone calls from parents from some of the younger kids saying this child who had cerebral palsy or this one had epilepsy, and now they’re walking and running and playing and speaking normally and they don’t need their medications. “What’s going on? “What did you do?” I said, “I didn’t do anything and don’t tell anybody.” Honestly, if you read the book, “The Reconnection,” you’ll find there’s much more fascinating detail to this story leading up to this than this. So I often sum it up by saying, “I went home one night thinking I was a doctor. “I came back on a Monday and I was something else.” I mean, why not? My parents always told me I was something else. But I don’t think this is what they had in mind. But the funny thing is, is people started asking me to teach this. And I said, “You’ve got to be insane.” And they’d say, “Well, you know, we saw you on…” And the media started coming to me. “We saw you on these TV shows and these things “and we were watching what’s happening “and you’ve got to be able to teach us.” And I’m thinking: I don’t know what this is. But you know what’s funny: Things appear one way and we see things the way we’re used to, as it wasn’t and then it was. It was over here and now it showed up here. And time and space, distance and all of those illusions, but they were very, very real to me. And people started saying, “Teach us.” And I said, “I don’t know how to teach this.” I’m standing there waving my hands in the air, looking like an idiot. 

I said, “You go outside and wave your hands in the air “and let me know what your neighbors say about you.” I finally gave in and started to teach for the very first time in an adult night school called The Learning Annex in Los Angeles. And I showed up with all the notes I could think. How can I teach this? I guess I’ll make notes. So I tried to remember facts and things and ideas. I walked in and I looked at all the people. And they looked at me and my mind went blank. I had a Massage Table One. I opened it up. I threw the notes away and I said, “Here’s the story. “Here’s what happened to me. “This is what it feels like to me. “I’m gonna let you feel it. “And then you’re gonna take turns. “I’m gonna show you how to feel, play and move. “One of you will lie down; one of you will stand up.” And as they did that, I mean all of a sudden, people’s bodies started moving all around. As we watched, I said, “Now watch. “You can tune in and feel a sensation “and start to pull with it or stretch it. “And as you get further away from the person, “watch what happens.” And the people’s bodies would respond larger. I said, “This is clearly “not just the energy of energy healing.” Because what do we know about energy? We know that the further away you move, the weaker it becomes. I’m not talking about distance healing when you’re halfway around the globe. I’m just saying: You start three inches. You go three yards, it gets weaker. You go 30 yards, it gets weaker. Not this. This had brought us beyond that, beyond subsets of energy that we label by the different common techniques that have been around hundreds of years in 10 years. Each technique has us focus into a certain area of the energy. But reconnective healing, what we found was there’s no technique. I mean, there’s no technique. People went, “How can you learn it?” I said, “I’ll let you feel it, I’ll show you.” “And then you begin to realize “that all we’re doing is receiving.” So what happens is: This technique is here and this technique is here and this one’s here and this one’s here. 

And it’s all letting us gain different aspects of energy. It’s just like all those windows behind me, each window square shows a different portion of the picture. And windows on the other side of the room show something else. And windows on another side of the room show something else. But even if we run around the whole house and look out each window, we’ll never see the whole picture because each window is limited by the frame and further limited by the wall that supports the frame. So only when we go outside of all those window frames can we see the whole picture. Only when we let go of our techniques and go outside and have a party can we see 360 degrees in all directions. And more and more today, I believe that the world is coming to understand through releasing concepts of duality and separation, that technique is designed ultimately to dissolve, to self-destruct, to disappear, to allow us to step into the freedom. And the freedom is not just that we get the gift of looking out of each tiny little window. Not that we just get the gifts of the different energies, the different Reikis and Qigongs and Chin Chins and and the new techniques and the old techniques. The gift is it’s the reconnection of all of energy by letting go of those dividers we’ve created to focus in. And then the gift beyond that is we access new aspects of light and information. We let go of the finite approaches and we become the infinite. Not just the word for infinite, because we all know the words for Chi and Ki and Prana and they’re supposed to be infinite, but not the way they’re practiced. I didn’t know any of this. I’d never studied energy healing techniques. 

Like I just said, I went home one night like this. I came back in and all this. So the discovery, the key to healing is the freedom of being this which is not found until the training wheels come off the bicycle. That’s the only time you have the true freedom of riding the bicycle. Until then, you’re only mastering the bicycle with training wheels, but you’re not mastering the bicycle. We’ve been spending a lot of time learning, getting a sense of our balance with the training wheels of healing. We’ve been mastering our energy healing techniques. We’re in a new point of the world today. This time, we don’t need another energy healing technique. It’s not time to master more energy healing techniques. Now it’s time to master healing itself, to master the bicycle itself. And that comes with freedom. So what happened? I don’t know how to explain it. I know the way it looked was that I held my hands near my patients. I started feeling sensations. I moved them further away. Things were going on with them. I walked out in the hallway and I just looked at them through the door and played like this. And more and more was going on and changing with them. Something was happening. And then the discovery was that once we learned to become, step into the awareness of this, we allow ourselves to be the receivers that we truly are by our natural design. And in that reception, we transform. We’ve been thinking we’ve been learning energy healing. We’ve been thinking we’ve been learning healing. We haven’t been learning anything. We have been awakening to the knowingness that comprises us and the recognition that we are all one. So we have hurdles to overcome because of the way things look. It looks like you’re in one part of the country and I’m in another part. It looks like these windows are behind me and I’m in front of them. And if I’m going to send a healing to you, it looks like I have to send it. But sending it is only separation. It has to come from one place to another. But we don’t. 

We receive. And when we let go of the concept of sending, we let go of the concept of the illusion of separation, of distance, and in that, we recognize the unity and the oneness that we all are. And in that, there’s no longer fear. There’s no longer ego. There’s no longer the illusionary need, the illusory need for protection to keep us safe. Because we realize that we’ve never been safer. There’s nothing we need safety from. There’s no longer the illusory need for objects, such as crystals and wands, to make us better. Because in receiving this and understanding this, we are infinite, and you can’t add to infinite. So all those things we’ve been spending our money on to make us more, to make us better, to keep us safe, the real gift, the lesson that they brought is that they’re all illusion. Give them away. Hang them on the Christmas trees. Don’t tell people why we bought them, because they’re gonna buy into that same thing that we’re freeing ourselves up from. Just say, “Here’s a gorgeous piece of jewelry.” “Here’s a beautiful crystal. “It’ll look nice in the corner over there in the room, “bring some color.” Give it away, give it away, give away everything. And when you are afraid that you might give away too much, give that away too ’cause you’ll find that there’s only one thing you can never give away. And that’s the oneness of who you are. And I bet you thought that was a simple, short little question that you asked me. I can’t even remember how the question began. I’m just going to stop talking now for a moment so that you can ask whatever you want.

Jason Prall

No, that’s beautiful. I mean, there’s a few practices and teachings that I’ve received that revolve around kind of awake awareness. And this is exactly what this sounds like. This sounds like stepping when I figured out, when I was templated and awakening this process of expanding my awareness to this awake state. It’s hard to put into words because it’s outside of space and time. It’s completely awake, everywhere and nowhere, zero connection. You can recognize the connected aspect, outside of mind even. I mean, you’re present, but it’s outside of mind. And when I’ve learned to get into that space, it’s just pure truth. There’s just awakening to this idea that there’s a divine intelligence. It’s not even a me-ness. I mean, I guess it is kind of, but it’s the real me. It’s the whole me. It’s the divine aspect that starts to awaken to what the truth really is, which is that we are never born and we never die. Everything is fine. There’s no issue, right. And when I’ve been in that state, and sometimes amongst others that are in this sort of awakened state, it’s amazing what happens. Because there’s no mind aspect to it. There’s not an intention. I mean, maybe you can bring an intention, but it’s not like there’s a doing. It just starts happening. These things unfold. And sometimes, the body is able to just naturally move. And I’ve just witnessed both personally and with others this amazing stuff that happens. Again, it’s almost hard to put words to. Again, we can only describe it from our sort of ego mind, right. And we try to label it and try to figure out what it really is. But I don’t even know that we can.

Dr. Eric Pearl

No. What if we allow ourselves to be sufficiently selfless, to not bring any intention in? What if, instead, we allow ourselves to recognize that it’s awareness, that just as the sun’s light… As Rupert Spira would say, “Just as the sun’s light allows things to be visible, “consciousness allows things to be known.” Consciousness allows itself to be known through our thoughts, our feelings, our sensations. And it’s not a thought. It’s not a feeling. It’s not a sensation. So how does that play? Let’s play for a minute. You ready? Want to?

Jason Prall

Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Eric Pearl

You wanna say something first?

Jason Prall

Go ahead. I’ll ask afterwards.

Dr. Eric Pearl

It’ll be a second, okay. Take one hand for me. Open your fingers like that. Okay, good. Now don’t let them move. Okay, hold them still. You wanna hold them a little stronger, you can. When I’m here, I’m not sending anything to you. I’m receiving, I’m feeling. Now you can look directly at your hand. Not in the camera, but actually look at your hand. And as I play, you feel nothing or you feel something?

Jason Prall

I can feel something.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Can you describe it?

Jason Prall

It’s like a sort of a pulsing sensation in my palm.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Um-hmm. Now your fingers have started to curve in a little bit again. So open them back up. Hold them still and watch them. Are they still? Or do you see movement?

Jason Prall

There’s a little bit of movement.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Okay. Now let me move a little further away. Now even I can see that. Are you watching your hands?

Jason Prall

Yeah.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Okay. So hold them still. Just do whatever it takes to hold your fingers still and watch them. Tell me when they’re still.

Jason Prall

They’re still.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Okay, and now?

Jason Prall

I can feel my palm like pretty significantly. And they’re coming in. They’re coming in. I’m having to like consistently pull back.

Dr. Eric Pearl

They’re moving in. So let your hands down. What the hell is that that I’m doing over here? Where are you right now?

Jason Prall

I’m in San Diego.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Okay. And I was there a week or two ago, but now I’m outside of Chicago. What the hell is happening is that in my receiving, you are receiving. Because there is no distance, time, and space. Now we hear these words all the time. And that’s a problem because we get used to them. It’s like the Hallmark greeting cards and the t-shirts that say, “Love.” We get used to them. We are one. We get used to that. How about saying: What does that really mean? What does that really mean that someone in the middle of the country can just allow themselves to receive. And suddenly, I’m receiving, that a little play is having an interaction. What is going on? And I believe that part of the gift is allowing ourselves to not just say the words we’ve been told and that we think that we should say, but to really receive the insight that we allow ourselves as we explore these concepts.

Jason Prall

Yeah. One of the tools that I like to use in this similar type of awareness work is to bring in curiosity. Because to me, it doesn’t feel like a doing. It just feels like I’m here and I’m curious. And that allows me to be informed by something, right. And usually it’s this wild, intuitive knowing that comes in when I’m in that sort of open, curious state.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Right. And so, where we get caught up in is a lot of us go to explore through teachers. And teachers teach us techniques to access this. And we go: But this is only a technique so we can get to this point. Fine, but when do we let go of the technique? How about in that moment. How about if it’s all about play and receiving, and we let go of that? And then, we’ll say: Well, yes, but if I let go of the technique, how will I honor my teacher? You know what, if we’re learning from teachers, they may not necessarily feel so honored if you release the technique. If we are gaining greater cognizant awareness through interaction with masters, they’ll realize that that’s the only way we can honor them, the releasing anything that even remotely feels like a technique. So when we teach reconnective healing, all of our phenomenal teachers that we have around the globe, over 100,000 people so far easily have learned reconnective healing, will say: Here’s one way you may notice us. Here’s something else you may notice us. Here’s a concept that may allow you to notice us. Here’s a way to tune into certain sensations that may allow you to notice us. But the point is technique’s like experience, every experience is finite. And experience by virtue of being experience has a beginning, a middle and an end. Even the experience of being human has a beginning, a middle and an end. But you, Jason, are infinite. You began before this human experience. You’ll continue afterwards. So, I’d be somewhat hesitant of any teaching that tells you to continue doing the technique: Do it three times a day for 30 days or for nine months. Or meditate for this length of time for this long. Or train your brain to this or try… How about here’s a way you may notice something. Now when you walk out this door, leave it inside the room. Because it’s only the infinite us. So we can teach ways to access cognizant awareness, but really in that comes the glimpse, that one glimpse of the infinite, which then automatically sets off a series of glimpses of the infinite. 

And then we become more. We don’t become ’cause we already are. See, we don’t really have the exact words. We bring the infinite more and more into our everyday lives here as the gifts. So we say, “Well now, we’re going to have a group healing. “And we’re gonna have 12 people getting together “to send one intention to someone else.” Really. Already, what’s happening when you’ve got 12 people sending one intention? Well, first of all, it’s an intention. So the best you can hope for is getting that intention. Does that mean you understand the mind of God, or the bigger picture? Do you know that that’s the right thing in the overall for that person? And yeah, 12 of you. So is that person receiving 1200% of a healing? Well, you can’t really have 1200%. The reason for the word or the term 100% is because that’s it. So if there are 12 of you, are you each giving that person 1/12 of their healing? Then you’ve reduced yourself. And in that holographic experience of 12 people giving 1/12, are they even getting 100%? No, they’re only getting 1/12 at best anyway, because of the 12 people. So send the other 11 away to go facilitate healings for others. And you become 100%. And if you are 100% in that infinite, then you know. Your knowingness understands that the healing is not to be directed. Who are we to point up to the heavens and shake a finger and say, “This person needs this healing “and their need right over there. “And I’m gonna bring my hands here and direct it.” How about if we’re willing to say: I’m here because not just I am facilitating healing, but because I am. Not what follows I am: I’m angry, I’m hungry in facilitating healing, but I am. In presence, we become not a conduit. A straw is not needed to blow the healing into a person. Our presence is a catalyst allowing for enhanced greatness because we are willing to receive. And our ego, the personality is willing to step out of the picture and say, “I knew what healing they needed. “I directed it over there because I’m so wonderful.” It’s a real challenge. The ego in the healing work is such a huge challenge because everyone walks around saying, “Yes, I’ve released my ego. “You, however, need to release your ego. “And I know this because I’ve released mine “and I can see in yours that yours is still there.” And we’re going: What? Something’s not working there, is it?

Jason Prall

Yeah, I love what you’re saying. Because I mean, I came from sort of the functional medicine, integrative medicine world, similar to chiropractic, right. And there’s a real doing with that type of healing. And there’s a real knowledge base. And you’re taking all your skills, and you’re applying them to the person. And you’re really figuring out what they need. And I mean, look, there’s some pretty good chiropractors and functional medicine, and integrative people out there. No question. And they have some good tools. And also, they’re not perfect. And things don’t work out. And they don’t get results all the time. And I know this, even for some of the best people. And so it’s just funny because I was in search of a better way, right, to really serve people. And what I woke up to was exactly what you’re talking about, which was that the only way is to essentially learn quote unquote, to step aside, to get out of the way and allow this natural way of being to emerge. And when I can get to that space, again, my ego is still very present and there’s this aspect of like: I don’t know what I’m doing. And so that’s still there a little bit where it’s like there’s a fear of…

Dr. Eric Pearl

Huge.

Jason Prall

Exactly.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Our willingness to not know, and to admit that we don’t know, because of that, we are open. When we say we know, we close. We put everything into a box. Listen, how do you know when you’re talking with someone who doesn’t know anything? The more detail they give you with the more they give you, the quicker it’s time to say, “Thanks, was lovely, gotta go.” And we’re talking about all these healing professions: medicine and osteopathy and everything. They’re all wonderful. That is their approach: to come in, to evaluate, to diagnose, to treat, to give therapy. Treatment and therapy is based on symptoms and what you can determine, and the limitation by the cognizant, thinking, human, limited mind and then interpreted. Hopefully, it’s interpreted right or there wouldn’t be the word misdiagnosed, would there? Because misdiagnosed is not the winner of a bathing suit contest. It’s a problem. So we’re not doing, as you said, the healing. We are the healing. So do we really wanna be looking outside of ourselves for more tools? Because who wants to be a tool? When we are in the infinite beingness, we are. And that’s where healing is. Reality is always perfect. The problem is the way it appears. This is how it looks. This is what we think it means. That becomes the limitation. So when we start saying, “Well, it’s just like this. “Well, it’s kind of like that. “Well, it’s kind of like something else.” Well really, it isn’t. Because there is only one is. So it can’t be like something if it’s is. So it feels like something. It means that there’s something that we’re doing in that thing it feels like that we’re still doing. That’s what we’d like to release.

Jason Prall

Yeah. And it’s always funny ’cause when I can get to that place where I let go and I sort of step aside, and sometimes my ego’s freaking out over here and and I’m still allowing, right. And what unfolds, which I have no idea what’s gonna happen. When it happens or when things unfold and emerge, I’m always amazed afterwards. There’s always this sense of awe, like what the heck is this, right? It’s this amazement that it can happen without the me that I’m so used to applying to the situation.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Now notice as you’re speaking, a lot of us, we can see your shoulders moving like this. And every once in a while, we’ll see your hands come up and down. Why? Did you ever stop and think and realize your hands start talking before you do?

Jason Prall

Totally.

Dr. Eric Pearl

We think we’re gonna use the mind, you know, mind over matter: body, mind. There’s more. The extended mind is what we sort of receive. We feel, we tune into it. It’s not really the mind. It’s the knowingness. So sometimes when we’re working with healings, we’re taught, move your hands three times counterclockwise or something which gets confusing if you’re on an airplane and you’re crossing over the equator. And does it go the other way like the water down the toilet? But when we let go of the shoulds and the shouldn’ts, move this way not that way, don’t cross over here, start with this hand, start with, we find we naturally move into what outwardly appears to be gesturing. But this is really us listening with a different sense, feeling, receiving, listening. It’s the beingness that lets us tune in. And in that presence, when we can be facilitating a healing for someone halfway around the world, or in the same room we’re in, or when we’re simply looking to receive for ourselves, or understand something, or write that paper and our ideas are sticking, this kind of a movement sometimes just allows us to receive beyond the cerebral and there is the communication, the sharing, the oneness, again, the healing. 

Our knowingness of this is the healing. Our willingness to go, “Yeah, I’m following this wonderful method.” We’re coming up with another word for technique. Let’s say that I won’t quite use the G-word. And this is helping me be free without technique and intention if I do this uh, uh, uh, catch that, if I do it this way. So don’t. Don’t do anything you’ve ever been told you’re supposed to do when you wanna receive a healing or facilitate any healings, especially that one thing you know for certain you should do. Don’t do that. See what happens. The worst thing that could happen is you’ll die. And then you’ll be all right anyhow, right? If not, you’ll have let go of one cognizant fear. And every time we let go of one cognizant fear, 1,001 fears we’re not even aware of disappear with it. If we let go of one conscious fear a week, by the end of the year, 52,000 fears walk away. And healing is love. It’s not fear. It doesn’t exist that way in fear. So sometimes we have to walk through these fears to discover the light that we’ve always been. So we’ve been giving ourselves little padded steps along the way. But we don’t need those steps to experience that truth shines for us as love, beauty, reality, who and what we are. And that’s where we are in the healing world. And it doesn’t come from the following steps and the doing. It’s a luminal understanding. It’s a beingness of light.

Jason Prall

Now, one of the things I’ve experienced as I’ve started to become aware of awareness and the ability to shift into a higher state, so to speak, and allow is that I got better at feeling. And I mean, both somatically, in the body, I was able to tune into the feeling sensations better. And also, it’s hard to even explain, but non-somatic, these subtle perceptions that are very hard to even put into words. But all I can say is that it’s a feeling, some sensation, some awareness of something that I was able to start tuning into. And I learned to cultivate that, a finer and finer resolution, so to speak, of those feelings and sensations. And I’m curious. And it’s not something that I try to do when I kind of do work with people, but it’s something that naturally got cultivated. And I’m curious what your experience is with sensation and how important or not important that might be to kind of this whole healing experience that you work with.

Dr. Eric Pearl

You know, “Healing is the taste,” let’s say as Rupert Spira would say, “of our shared being.” It’s a simplicity and the recognition that we are one. Even in this interaction, you might find an awareness of sensation that plays somewhere else in your body that correlates. Is that sort of what you’re talking about?

Jason Prall

Right. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Go ahead.

Jason Prall

Yeah, I mean, sometimes it just naturally appears. I’m not feeling perhaps what they’re feeling. Perhaps it’s something totally different. But it comes up. And there’s usually an awareness, a recognition, an intuitive grasp of what it means. It’s like, I’m not even trying. It just naturally appears and it generally reveals something.

Dr. Eric Pearl

So what if we let go of intuition? And I’m hearing people gasping who haven’t even watched this show yet. And what if we allow ourselves to be more in the knowingness of instinct? Because instinct is over here. Thought is over here. Intuition is instinct clouded or obscured by thought, by judgment, by a bit of ego. And my instinct is telling me, you know, all of a sudden there’s-

Jason Prall

There’s interpretation to it.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Right. And these sensations, and we already talked about this earlier in this interaction we’re having here, this interview. They didn’t just show up. Your awareness of them decided to tune into that. So healing is the taste of our shared being. Our shared being is not only with others, but is with us. That’s why we get feedback within us ultimately. And it’s funny. Because I’m saying what I know you already know, is that there are no others. When we receive, we’re receiving healing, we’re receiving love. It’s our shared being. So we don’t have to send the healing to our mother also ’cause we want her to have the healing. When we’re receiving, she is receiving. The people we like, they’re receiving. The people who might need something that we thought about earlier, they’re receiving. The people we don’t like and the people we absolutely abhor, guess what? They’re receiving just as much the same anyway. Because being one, we don’t get to pick and choose and cordon off. And as we allow that awareness to tune in, that is the excitement. That is the freedom. That is part of when Jillian and I are teaching and we’re sharing, it is about that recognition, these discoveries that come when we’re not trying to find them. ‘Cause you can’t try because trying is an effort which forces them away. 

It’s like when someone’s feeling pain or discomfort in a healing situation, it’s not because of the healing. It’s because there’s something unknown that they’re resisting. It’s the resistance that they’re feeling. So guess what? Healing is simply the recognition that we are one. Love is simply the recognition that we are one. And you know what the biggest challenge of all of this is? The simplicity. Because the simplicity does not feed the ego. And the ego is very hungry all of the time for fear that if it’s not fed, it won’t exist. And we have to say, that’s all right. We have to learn to say that’s all right. Simplicity is what makes this complicated because it is the challenge. It is the nature of things. Intelligence is the nature of consciousness when it’s perceived by the finite mind. But, we are infinite and in steeping. In the reconnective healing experiences, people come in, they experience, they come out with, “Oh my God, I don’t know where this was.” But that is the infinite that we are. So we’re really finding ourselves. Could this be better if I add this bell or this whistle? No, you can’t make the infinite more. “Yes, but when I add this…” Then you reduce it from being infinite. And the ego goes, “No, no, ’cause I’m going to add “this new way to it and make it even more special.” Let go.

Jason Prall

Yeah, yeah. That’s kind of what I kept hearing. It’s stripping away. It’s letting go of all the conditioning, of all the crap that we think, that we’ve been taught, that we want to make true, and get down to the core of what is. Truth, simple. Yeah. I mean, it’s interesting because I think about, you know, a lot of your work is teaching this I’m gonna say technique. And I’m gonna say teaching.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Why don’t we say approach? How about sharing insight into a healing approach?

Jason Prall

Well, I kind of like using those false terms because that’s probably what most people come in thinking, that they’re going to quote unquote learn a technique. And perhaps if they’ve seen you speak or what have you, they already recognize that’s not the case. But I think still, most people-

Dr. Eric Pearl

Unless they shut the volume off when I was talking.

Jason Prall

But I think even still, people hear those words and yet they come in expecting to learn a technique or a method, right. Because it’s really hard to think otherwise. Because it almost doesn’t make sense to our ego mind that we’re going to basically unlearn things, everything, so to speak, and get down to the core. So maybe just gimme a little preview or an insight. Like, what is it? How do you go about unteaching, so to speak?

Dr. Eric Pearl

I don’t know fully that we do that either. I believe what happens is it’s revelation. It’s revealing. I don’t wanna say revelation, sounds.

Jason Prall

Careful with that.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Or an unveiling. I hate to say unveiling too. It sounds like something happens at the cemetery. But it is an unveiling. It’s a revealing of our soul. It’s a dipping into the infinite experience. And once we do that and really allow ourselves to absorb that infinite, we don’t want to try to cram it back into a finite window frame of a technique or a method. But it’s a recognition that comes to us.

Jason Prall

And does is it happen through transmission? Does it happen through kind of pointing awareness so that awareness can find these truths? Or how do you essentially accomplish?

Dr. Eric Pearl

I might go towards a little bit of pointing or directing awareness, helping people to find and discover it. It can’t be a transmission because then that would have to be sent. And then we’re back in the illusion of distance, time and space. And I thought it was a transmission, I really did. But it came from somewhere. I knew I could feel for it. I could find it. I could stretch it. And we will still teach people how to do that in the beginning. Because it allows for that knowingness. And then knowingness becomes greater knowingness. And then it is no longer needed. It’s kind of like the concept of… Love is the dissolution of a separation between two people. That’s why when we say, “I love you,” we’re not really being accurate. You can’t love you because it’s a dissolution of the separation. So you can’t heal someone because healing is the dissolution, the dissolving of that separation between two people. We enhance that illusion of separation more when we get involved into trying to do group healings. Because now we’re telling ourselves: I’m less. I’m more if I have 11 other people working with me. So without them, I must be and look, that blank can’t be filled in with any other word but less. So we see ourselves that way and we bring through that way. And we’re taught that way. And the ego likes to say, “I am healing you.” When we touch this, and in the Reconnective Healing Training programs, the seminars, what we do, you experience this in a way. 

I mean, in the first day, most people’s faces are like: Like is that really happening? My favorite are the couples who come in. You clearly know which one wanted to come and which one was dragged, by the excitement from the unexpected change of what’s going on, the alchemy, the transmuting of an understanding, it’s a change in life. It’s not: Where can I go next weekend for the next technique? It’s sort of about: I found me, the infinite me. And I am so in love. Not even in love, I am love. And I didn’t realize that I was. And then we start to experience the I beyond the finite smaller I into the I of I am and experiencing that. Just as you were telling me earlier, there are really no words. Feel how I’m stretching for these words. So many people . And each time, we’re finding the words. Because if I memorized what line says it best, I’m not present. As soon as we start using all those rote little lines: I’m running energy; I’m sending it here. Whatever it is that we’ve heard, don’t say it. If you’ve heard it said before, find new words. Because that reaching inside of you to discover more, it’s discovering more for you. That is our healing, which clearly you can tell I don’t have an opinion on the subject.

Jason Prall

Yeah, no, I love it. And that’s been my most powerful lessons. And look, I really came from a school of mind. I was good in school. I was pretty clever. I could figure things out. And so I really, really relied on that faculty to get me through life. And it wasn’t until I started learning some of this awareness-based teaching, so to speak. In other words, my teachers would use their awareness to guide my own awareness to an experience. And that was a real wake up call. Because something like presence, right, we can talk about that all day long. And the mind understands what presence is, kind of, right. We cognitively grasp what presence is.

Dr. Eric Pearl

It gets the spoken theory of it because it’s recitable, but doesn’t really in any way grasp what it is. It’s so far outside the mind, it can’t.

Jason Prall

Right, in my first experience with what I would call presence, I thought: Oh wow, that’s what presence is. I know it because I directly experienced it. Nobody told me, nobody taught me. I directly experienced it. And then later, I had a deeper or more present experience of presence. And I thought: Wow, that’s even somehow more present than my last experience. And so when I realized these things, same thing with love, whatever you want to experience, there’s a deeper, more whole, more real, more direct. It keeps going deeper. And I thought: Wow, nobody could have told me or taught me this because it doesn’t make sense that if I experience presence, then I’m present. But then I thought: No, I can be more present. Somehow, I can be deeper in presence. And that was a real wake up call. So it really taught me that direct experience is the ultimate teacher. And again, even I can share these words and nobody can really understand what I mean unless you’ve had that experience.

Dr. Eric Pearl

And that’s why we explain that reconnective healing is the direct path to healing. There aren’t turns; it’s a direct path. And our only little detours along the way, sometimes on the direct path, is looking to find words in the experience of the borderless. It’s so borderless in the experience you described, I know your personality wasn’t there. The personality wasn’t there. The personality is the flavor of the finite mind. It is the ego, and it wasn’t there for that.

Jason Prall

No, the personality was shocked. It was like: What the heck was that? You know, it was trying to figure out what just happened and how that’s possible. Like the ego is just always surprised.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Right.

Jason Prall

I love that.

Dr. Eric Pearl

This is our healing. And people go, “Why are you talking about ego? “I thought we were gonna be talking about healing.” This is the healing. Because in the experience of this, we are receiving, everyone is receiving with the resonance of the energy, the light, the information that is of the reconnective healing experience, everything that obscures, that blocks, that limits this recognition vibrates out of the picture, falls away, dissolves, disappears. And then suddenly, we realize that what we’ve been seeing as the world, that the world itself is an illusion, that only awareness is real. And that’s who we are. And in that, we receive our healings. In that, we facilitate healing. And healing is not even in the finite limited way that we tend to think of it: regaining the use of an arm or a leg or your eyes. Nice, but it’s not about coming back to where you were. It’s not a return because in that, there’s no infinite, there’s no further, there’s no more. Healing is about more. It’s a different word. We’ve been confusing healing with fixing something that got broken and bringing it back to where it was before it was broken. It’s so much more. And therefore, it is, as you explained so beautifully, the experience. It is shared and discovered, revealed and unveiled in the experience, in the energy, in the light, in the information which is what you and I shared when we played with our hands. 

But it wasn’t just that. In this entire communication you will receive probably from people who watch this and listen to it and interact, even though they realize cognizantly that this happened before they were watching it, not at the same time, it doesn’t matter, there will be transformation going on and you all hear about it. “My body was vibrating.” “I felt this in my hand.” “This was happening.” “That was happening, and why.” And we’re gonna smile and say like we said. Time, space, distance is all an illusion. When I wrote the book, “The Reconnection,” my editor would call me every once in a while from Hay House and say, “I can’t edit this book.” I said, “Why?” She goes, “Because every time I pick it up, “my hands start vibrating and I have to put it back down.” process. Now when you read “The Reconnection,” it was written in more of a dual this-and-that language, more of a duality. Because I was talking about it from the way I recognize it. There are amazing insights and understandings that we understand. And I believe we need to acknowledge the duality, the appearance that my microphone is over here in front of me and my computer is over there further away. Yes, that exists to a certain level. We also are here to allow the unveiling, the revealing of the non-duality, of the oneness of the unity that we are. Therein lies our healing. And my healing is yours and yours is mine.

Jason Prall

Right, yeah. I think that’s a big one for me too, was recognizing that there’s a bothness to all of this. You are clearly way far away from me. Your body’s way far away from me, right?

Dr. Eric Pearl

Right.

Jason Prall

And yet we are one, we are connected. We are not separate in any way from an awareness perspective. So recognizing the both/and aspect of sort of this weird duality and the oneness at the same time, if we can hold both, then magic starts to unfold and we really start to recognize. Because I think before I really was able to grasp that concept, it was more ethereal. It wasn’t a true recognition of the real connection and oneness that is present always and forever, and never.

Dr. Eric Pearl

It was the t-shirt, it was the cup that said the words. It’s the glimpse of our true nature that is the key to our healing. It’s what reaches out to us and brings us in and then allows that to go on with everyone else until we recognize there’s no such thing as else. There is no everyone else. There is no everyone else.

Jason Prall

I love this. Well, Dr. Eric Pearl, this has been a fantastic conversation. I absolutely loved it. Tell people where they can find more of your work.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Well, our website is thereconnection.com. You have to use the word the, thereconnection.com. The book is called “The Reconnection: Heal Others, Heal Yourself.” There’s a new book coming out. There’s one in the interim also you can find called “Solomon Speaks on Reconnecting Your Life.” Training programs are international. So you can find them on thereconnection.com, or with our partnership Reconnective Academy, which is based in Europe. So most of the training programs around the globe are taught in English and the language of the country, but not all of them. So, read the insights into there. You know, click your heel three times. Where do you have to go? You have to go nowhere. And yet, there’s so much to be gained from the interaction. So the training programs to access the reconnective healing experience. And we call it the experience because it is the experience. A finite experience of the infinite is transformational to quote you Jason “beyond words.”

Jason Prall

Hmm, beautiful, I love that. Well, thank you so much for doing this. I really appreciate our conversation. It was great to get to know you and how you think and how you really do this work. I really appreciate it.

Dr. Eric Pearl

Absolutely my pleasure.