Reducing Pain & Fatigue With Pilates

Jana Danielson

Well, Dr. Rodger, thank you so much for having me here. Anytime I can educate and inspire on movement as medicine for, you know, whatever ailment or situation a body and a beating heart might be living with. I gladly accept the invitation, so I’m excited to be here. And yeah, my story starts with my own pain journey, actually. I mean, I grew up on a farm. I was the eldest of three kids. We grew up with lots of wide open space and big, huge gardens. And you know, where you played every sport in high school or yours or your town didn’t have a team and really believed that when you weren’t feeling good, you would go to the doctor, get your medication, and you would heal. And part of my pain was digestive in nature. And my dad as a farmer would always drive around in his half ton truck with rolls of Tums antacids, and he would eat them like candy. And I just thought, well, that’s you know, my dad has a stomach like that. So when it would come time for a big test or a big game or waiting for a call from a boy, I would get this nervous stomach and I would, you know, eat my Tums or I would have people say, oh, there’s Jana, you know, the high achiever. And I just bought into that mindset that because I was a high achiever, that my body would respond this way sometimes. 

And then this sometimes became more often and the more often became daily. And I moved away to college and was started a two year journey to try and figure out what was going on with me, because I thought if I could just get the diagnosis that I could get the medication or I could get the, you know, the prescription to fix me. And then I was going with my life and that never came after all the tests and specialists and poking and being prodded and drinking all the things I was told by my medical team one day that they believe that the pain was in my head and I was seeking attention and they wished me a nice life. And it was one of those moments where it felt like the rug was being pulled out from underneath me because I believed that my ability to heal was blocked like that. I was going to live a life. Would I be able to be a mom? Would you know I was newly engaged to my high school sweetheart? Should I even marry this guy? 

There were days I couldn’t get out of bed and I just didn’t know. And one day I was in line at the grocery store and I looked over at the magazine rack that is by every checkout counter. And I saw Madonna, who I’m still a huge fan of The Material Girl, and she was on the cover of a fitness magazine and I didn’t even know the word was polite as it was. I thought it was pilots, and I was like, What is Madonna doing? So I bought the magazine and I went home and I was teaching fitness at that time to pay for my tuition in college. So I was moving despite my pain, was teaching movement, despite my pain. So I was living this double life, right? Because from the outside, I looked completely normal. Inside, I felt like I was dying and it was like I was leading this double life. And so I read this article about this form of movement called Pilates. And the pictures that it was showing me and the words that I was reading were not making sense in my brain because I had believed and bought into the mindset that to be fit you had to leave a puddle of sweat on the floor at least five days a week. You had to wake up the next day from your workout. And if you’re, you know, if your arms weren’t sore or if you could wash your hair without having to drop your arms, you better do more weight. 

The next day. And it just was this huge disconnect that breathing and spinal movement and posture could produce. The bodies that I was seeing in this magazine. And so I was intrigued. And I treated myself to a new mat, a water bottle, a new pair of leggings, and I found myself a plot is my class. And I went and I went to the front row center spot. That’s typically what I do. And I scanned the room very quickly, discerning that I was going to be the best student in the room because everybody else was different ages, different sizes. And in less than 60 seconds, from the moment my instructor started speaking and talking about inhaling through your nose and exhaling out of your mouth, I realized that if I was not in the front row center, I would have rolled up my mat and I would have made a beeline for the door because she should have been talking a different language, right? She should have been. Because nothing that she was saying to me neither my brain or my body understood a word of it. And I would look at my peripheral vision and I would see these people, their bellies rising and lowering. They were making this sound when they breathe. 

And I was like, What is this? And I stayed because I was front center and I was too. It was the embarrassment of leaving was worse than the embarrassment of not being able to do anything. And after class, my instructor walked up to me and as she approached me, I burst into tears and she just wrapped her arms around me and she just said to me, Come back on Thursday. That’s all she said. And so I nodded with my tears rolling down my face. And I came back on Thursday. And then I came back every Tuesday and Thursday after that, and six weeks after my first class, everyone. And one important fact I forgot to mention was by the end of my two year medical journey, I was on 11 different medications. And after six weeks of this form of movement, I had weaned myself off of all my medication, did not understand for a minute what was happening in my body and why this was happening. But it was. And I was like, All right. I realized then that I was looking outside for my ability to heal when really I had to remember that if I focused on inside, that I had the power to at least start the healing process. And so, yeah, that’s my story.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

So there’s parallels with the fibromyalgia story. You know, you go to seeing all these different doctors, you have these aches and pains and fatigue and brain fog, and you can’t sleep. And you oftentimes pass from one doctor to the next. And he or she may or may not know, you know, what’s going on. Usually they don’t. So they pass you to another doctor and then you get on another drug. And before you know it, you’re on the medical merry go round. And then and yet you oftentimes hear, well, maybe you just need to see a psychologist or maybe you need to see a psychiatrist. The implication is that’s all in your mind, right? You’re faking this, of course. Who would fake this? You know, no one wants it’s not it’s really not living. It’s existing, trying to make it through the day. 

So your story is very similar to the fibromyalgia journey and so tell us how. Well, first of all, let’s start with what is priorities. Can you share with me about the history of it and how it works? And then, you know, what’s fascinating and the main reasons why I want you on here is for you to be able to share and be the example that by changing your physical, you know what you’re doing at your activity, that you can reduce pain and you can increase your health through activity. What did you call it now? You said, what? Now it’s what was the active movement? What did you say? It was it went in and came out, but it was.

Jana Danielson

Well, it’s really about mindful movement is what I.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Would take mindfulness.

Jana Danielson

Yeah.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. Especially with this for sure.

Jana Danielson

Yeah. All right. So Pilates is a form of movement named after Joseph Pilates. Now, history, 1 to 1, a place. Joseph Pilates grew up in Germany in the late 1800s. His mom was an outlaw path and his dad was a gymnast. So when you think of growing up in Germany in the 1880s, very industrial age, you don’t think that that’s the backdrop of this young man growing up. Anyways, Joe had asthma, rickets and rheumatic fever, so he was not a well child growing up. So spent a lot of his time observing people and animals move. And he was so intrigued by the way some people moved effortlessly like they were floating. And he said, like some people looked like every step they took, it took effort in their body and soul before Joe passed away. This form of movement was called Control Allergy because it was all about controlling the body through focus. Thought of your mind once Joe passed away, it kind of. It’s shifted to be called polarities. So Joe believed that the health of the spine dictated the health of the body. And like a cookie, if you’re making chocolate chip cookies, you would go to your recipe book and you would follow the recipe and you would make your cookies. 

There’s a recipe, a recipe for Pilates as well. And it’s five very specific spinal movements. And what I’m going to say, Dr. Rodger, is I’m going to give a little plug for my free gift, because my free gift for this summit, for everyone being here is one of my most favorite movement experiences that I’ve created. It’s called Renew Your Body. Movement is medicine, and it doesn’t matter if you’re in the middle of a flare up, it doesn’t matter if you have rheumatoid arthritis or osteo or a bulging disc. This course that I am gifting you is literally for everyone, and it covers the five spinal movements and it covers there’s like little mini educate me sessions that talk about why what happens when you create these movements. So when you move your spine, these five ways and the first way is called spinal flexion. So when we sit at our desks and we can become very forward, rounded, very, almost like you know, ape, like that’s not what I mean by forward flexion selection means when you take the bottom of your spine, your tailbone, the kind of that the tailbone area and if you were to tuck it between your legs, give it a little tiny tuck. All right. It’s not a big movement, but that’s what we call spinal flexion. It creates active action. 

And our deepest set of abdominals called the transverse abdominals. It asks for some help from the pelvic floor. Our butts going to want to squeeze really hard if that’s if you’re like a pusher in fitness or in exercise. But it’s very subtle. What’s also happening in that moment is this gentle, visceral massage. The organs are getting beautifully massaged against each other. And when you are in a pain cycle, a few things happen. We start to breathe more shallowly. We kind of turtle our posture because we’re protecting from the pain and our sympathetic nervous system, which is that fight or flight. It goes through the roof while the parasympathetic, which is the rest and digest kind of gets shoved by the wayside when we can start to create these beautiful little undulations. And I’m doing them right now. I know you can see me. It creates a boost to that parasympathetic and can really start to remind you that even in those moments where you think that everything is out of your control, you can always come back to these spinal movements. All right. So spinal flexion is number one. 

The opposite of that is extension. All right. So imagine if you were wearing a jacket and if you were zipping that jacket up, and if you think of your spine lengthening as you zip the jacket and you zip the jacket and you kind of get right to your eyebrows, this is spinal extension. So my heart is open, my spine is kind of bent. A little bit backwards like a banana. And my neck is being supported by all those little vertebrae of my spine being in the right position if I’m simply hanging my head off my spine, yeah, that’s going to hurt. It’s not going to feel good. But if you focus on zipping up the jacket, that’s going to create that opposite curve of the spine, which so many of us need. Again, because we live on a planet with gravity, we have this forward, rounded posture syndrome going on. We’re on our tech all the time. We need to learn how to open that up. All right. So that’s the second spinal movement, second part of the recipe spine moment. Number three is rotation. 

So if you were shoulder checking in your vehicle, twisting your spine again, gives those organs a nice little ringing kind of effect. And it creates this really nice interaction between spinal fluid and blood and all the tissues, the intervertebral discs, the little jelly donuts that live between each of our bones and our spine. And it’s just as yummy, almost like a little car wash for our spine. The fourth spinal movement is lateral bending or side bending. So if we were to reach down one side and the other, that is lateral flexion, that’s spinal movement. Number four, the fifth and final part of the recipe is called spinal inversion. So if you were laying on your bed or laying on the floor with your knees bent and your feet on the floor, if you were to gently float your hips up off of the floor so your tailbone was a little bit higher than your heart. Now gravity gets to work in a different direction on that spinal fluid, and we call that an inversion. So like kind of, you know, those snow globes that you see on the holidays that you kind of shake and. That’s right. That’s what that’s what a spinal inversion does to our spine. It’s kind of like the little snow globe experience for the spine. 

And so Joe believed if we were to move our spine these five different ways, and if you know, when you get my free gift, you’ll see that it can happen in less than 5 minutes. He believed that after ten sessions of Pilates, you would start to feel a difference in your body. He then believed in 20 sessions of this form of movement, you would start to see a difference in your body, and after 30 sessions you would have a completely new operating system because it does literally rewire the neural network in the brain. And if you think of the spine with all these millions of nerves kind of plugged in like lights on a Christmas tree, the more impactful, the more effective our spine can move, the more impactful the communication system can be to all other systems and parts of our body, so that, in a nutshell, really is the history of Pilates and how it’s rooted in the health of the spine dictating the health of the body.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

So you’re speaking my language as a chiropractor, although I don’t do manual therapy more. I had a number of years was telemedicine. But yeah, I mean, that’s exactly what we think is, you know, chiropractor’s. We think that a large part of your health is dictated by the health of your spine and the nervous system that’s emitting from that spine and feeding the muscles and ligaments and tendons and organs. One of the one of my colleagues and actually his own, your doctor, Johnny Whitten, is a chiropractor. And he talks about movement and posture and how it affects inflammation in the body. One of things he talks about is the posture and the vagal nerve. And we know with the vagal nerve it really helps control that parasympathetic nervous system. That is the calming part of your nervous system or the fibro their sympathetic nervous system, which is the drive, drive, go, go, go, go is on over alert. I mean, it’s out of control. And so these people always feel wired and tired and they’re generating inflammation. But by changing your posture, just changing your posture, you can actually ignite the parasympathetic nervous system, partly through that, the vagal nervous system, the stretches and exercise, but from what you’re sharing with us, plotting is another way to do that. Maybe a more even more advanced way than, you know, just changing your posture.

Jana Danielson

Yeah. And, you know, it truly is about alignment of the entire body. I think sometimes we view the body in an incorrect paradigm. I think sometimes we see it as arms and legs and a torso and a head. But what we don’t realize is we’re not like I like to use this analogy, we’re not like those Mr. and Mrs. Potato Head dolls where you can change up your arms for your workout and and put your sexy arms on her date night. Right. We’re a series of systems, and we would be extremely naive if we believed that these systems worked in isolation from each other because they don’t. So any disruption in them in the structure, the bones are a skeleton. Our posture is 100% going to impact digestion, elimination, circulation, lymph, lymph, right. Like all of those kinds of things. And so what I like to tell my clients is that it’s as simple as understanding where the weight, if you’re standing, wear the weight distribution through your feet should be. So we have 26 bones in each foot, that great big bone at the back, the calcaneus. Right. That’s the big heavy solid bone in the foot. The other bones are small and weird shaped, and when something is small, it’s meant to move. 

When something is big and solid along, like a little leg bone, the femur, or like that calcaneus bone in our foot. It’s meant to bear weight. Now, you don’t have to be a structural engineer to understand that if you got a big solid bone, you got to load it with weight. And if you have small bones, they’re meant for movement. But if you start to have posture that is too far forward or too much weight forward, those little bones get really confused. Those little bones are like, Hey, wait a minute. I thought I was meant for moving and jumping and twisting and turning. And now you’re asking me to hold this load above? How am I supposed to do all of that right. So it’s a simple mathematical distribution of weight. 60% of your weight in that calcaneus bone, the heel and 40% across the widest part of the foot, the metatarsals, where those toes connected to the main part of the foot. If you can just remember if that’s the only thing you remember from this conversation is the 6040. And let me tell you this, your body may not love that if you’ve been one of my I call them my ski jumpers. 

If you’ve been living with like 80% of your weight, forward on your toes and your quads have gotten used to holding your glutes and hamstrings at the back of your body, have gotten used to being on a permanent vacation, bringing your weight back in space might give you a little bit of back discomfort, a little bit of knee discomfort. And if you didn’t know any better, you’d be like, Oh, this hurts me. I better not do it. But it’s the body’s way of reintegrating. It’s proper weight bearing capabilities on to the right bones. And so posture and alignment and Pilates is huge. And I say it all the time. I do Pilates so that I can live a higher quality of life. So all of my activities of daily living are done more optimal. That’s why I do plays. It’s like putting a little deposit into my wellness bank account every single day. So when I do maybe step off a sidewalk a little bit, or when we were back in Canada, I slipped on some ice. My insurance policy would kick in, so I didn’t end up with that sprained ankle or that broken bone because my body knew how to respond.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

You know, I think that exercise and activity, physical activity, certainly mental as well. But physical activity is really is a way that you can maybe get away with some lifestyle choices that aren’t as good as they should be. I really think that exercise is a way that you can overcome some bad habits health wise. And so the problem for fibromyalgia is they’re so sedentary from this illness. I mean, they’ve had to you know, they’ve gotten so run down and they have so much pain that if they try to exercise, oftentimes it sets them in a flare. And they’re told this. I mean, their doctors often tell them, hey, you know, you just need to exercise more. And of course, they’re thinking, I can be dead. How am I going to exercise? You know, this just isn’t going to happen. What I love about Pilates is it is an exercise, a movement therapy. That’s I was traveling on earlier that that allows for you to put your body in a state of stress without it causing any flares, without it being too traumatic for the body to handle. And you can take it in steps, right? You can with bodies. I mean, you can be in the very basic stretch stretching program. And then you can build on top of that. You don’t have to you know, I see people with the boards and the pools and, you know, that’s so intimidating. But what you’re sharing sounds so doable and a way that anybody can do this, right?

Jana Danielson

Well, it is. And I think one of the you know, I’ve worked with many clients who have who who live with a fibromyalgia diagnosis. And when they come to see me or they start working with me, it’s so evident that they are so disconnected from their body. They don’t trust it. They’re frustrated by it. And that’s where the body and the mind come together in Pilates.Because you guys there were days where I could not get out of bed. There were days. So I even though I don’t have a fibromyalgia diagnosis, I lived that. And so even being in bed because the diaphragmatic breathing, I do want to touch on that. Diaphragmatic breathing is a big component of this because the diaphragm is the main muscle of respiration. It sits right inside of the rib cage. When we are in pain, we talked about parasympathetic and sympathetic before. But what happens from a respiratory perspective is we stop utilizing this big, beautiful diaphragm muscle and we actually start using the secondary breathing muscles that live in our neck. They’re called the scaling on the sternal. Kaleido Mastoid. Now, why is that important? Because these little beef jerky like muscles already have a job. They got to hold this big bowling ball on top of this tiny little spine. So now we’re saying to these little muscles, hold this mass, plus, breathe 86,000 times a day. You’re in charge of breath. So we actually create so much unnecessary stress and tension through our neck, through our jaw, low grade headaches at the brow line, at the hairline and we don’t even connect the dots to breath because it’s just what we do. Right? It’s the first act of life. 

What do you mean? I have to relearn how to breathe when you start to use your diaphragm around your deepest sort of abdominals called your transverse abdominals. But start in your low back and wrap to the front of your body like this big Olympic weight belt or a big corset. It starts to wake up and then, you know what else I mean? Pelvic floor health is another one of my passions. When you’re diaphragm wakes up, your pelvic floor starts to respond. So now that functional muscle that holds your organs inside of you and it’s a very, you know, sensual part of our body, a lot of our confidence sits there that starts to wake up. And so, you know, understanding that even in the days where you’re flaring in a really major way, if you can simply do your diaphragmatic breathing, you are doing all of these. You’re impacting your core, you’re impacting your pelvic floor, you’re feeding your cells the oxygen they need. So even on those days where it’s just if you think that doesn’t count, it absolutely does.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yes. I think just being aware of your posture, I had Diana Hansen on here in the summit and she’s what talks about fashion, which I have a chapter in my book about mama fashion release. We really had a great conversation and is a chiropractor who used to really focus on chiropractic biophysics, which is posture and the role that that posture plays in health. You know, there’s I think there’s a disconnect. A lot of people don’t realize that you just did a wonderful job of sharing this, how your posture affects your muscles, which then affects the tension and can create the pain. So, you know, if you mentioned the bowling ball, right? The bowling ball is 8 to £10 that people are carrying around on our, you know, our neck here, our spine. Normally, we have a curve as you well know, curve in our neck. So this bowling ball is over our center of gravity. It’s where it should be. But over the years, you know, we can end up like this. And then as we get older and older, if we’re really not active physically, even at MOVE, you know, that movement, you know, we get like this and now so you got this 8 to £10 bowling ball that if you were to walk around a bowling alley and maybe had one hand underneath it, you could do that for a little while, you know. But if you take that same weight and you put it out here within about 5 minutes, all these muscles, tendons and ligaments are giving you, you know, all that pain. Same thing that’s how important posture is. Incredibly important. Yeah.

Jana Danielson

It is. And I think, you know, you might think back to days when you’re in elementary school, when your teacher tells you to sit up straight right. It’s not that very military forced way. I mean, it’s respecting the curves of the spine, understanding where you have to properly like what I say to people who sit there like it’s so much to know. And I’m like, actually, it’s not if you get 60% of your weight in your heels and 40% across the widest part of your foot, when you’re standing, you have your base. And then if you bring your head back in space as if it’s resting against an invisible headrest in your vehicle, it when you get the two ends, the head and the feet in the right position, the middle is going to find its way because it’s got, you know, a bit of leadership from those two. And when you’re sitting I’ve talked about, you know, standing quite a bit, those bony but bones, those initial tube cities, those really become your feet. So get rid of your eagle moves the flesh of your butt out of the way. Feel those bones where you’re sitting and sit on top like golf balls on a tee. That’s where you want to be when you’re in seated posture. And then the same thing with the head. And so careful not to make this dramatic and lots because you won’t stick with it when your mind believes that it’s easy and simple and it’s just a little check it a couple of times a day. Even if you’re in the wrong spot, check in and be like, Oh, okay, here I am. You’ll be slowly evolving to your new posture.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Well, I think the first step is just recognizing the importance of this and just being aware, you know, it’s like mindfulness is just, you know, that’s the first thing is actually being mindful of whatever it is you’re trying to accomplish. I to go back, you had shared a question with me and I wanted it so you’ve got on here about this one of your favorite quotes. We hadn’t talked about that yet. Okay. So this is a quote from the founder of Plants, the creator plants, Joseph Plants. And he says, The mind when housed in a healthy, healthful body. Oh, I missing the quote. Can you give us the quote because this is something that’s.

Jana Danielson

Yeah, no, for sure. So it’s the mind when housed in a healthy body possesses a glorious amount of of power. Right. And so yeah. So what I love about that is because it truly it brings together what I believe is so important. And again, I’m not like pooh poohing classic fitness, right? Because it serves a lot of people very well. For me, it just lost that sparkle. So what that means to me is when you are mindful of your movement, the connection between the mind and the body becomes so beautifully highlighted, right? You know, sticking in your earbuds and going for a walk, listening to a podcast, yeah, there’s some value in that. But what if once a week you kept those earbuds at home and you actually focused on what you were feeling in your body? Do you feel when you’re stepping, do you feel the same amount of weight, you know, kind of working through your feet?

What are you what are you hearing? What where is your head? How can you so that’s what that quote means to me, is that when you put the body and the mind on two different ends of the spectrum, there’s going to be this gap in the middle. That can be frustrating for some people. They can get movement in a very ego driven way, like, I’ve got to do so much every week, and if you’re in the middle of a flare up, we can get on that same roller coaster where we feel like, Oh, why am I even bothering? Like I missed it again? Or I was on such a good roll and then right. And then and then we get into that. My body is not serving me. It’s you know, I’m ashamed of it. It doesn’t you know, I’m not living the life I want to be living. And so that quote from Joe just so beautifully brings that back together because it’s quite empowering when you can feel how your mind can connect through those little subtle movements and that the next morning you wake up and you’re like, Whoa! My head felt like I didn’t do much, but I can actually feel how my core has been challenged in a really unique way. And so it’s the gentle kind of that Aesop’s fable, the slow and steady wins the race where the tortoise in polarities. We’re not the hare, we’re not that go crazy off the start line. And then I’m going to have a little nap because I’m so far ahead. And then the tortoise ends up crossing the finish line. Hillary is the tortoise.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

You know, this is really hard, Janet, because for a lot of those who fibromyalgia or type A’s, you know, they’re doers. So I take care of a lot of doers over the years. They they doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. And one day they’re done out. You know. So these are high level bikers and lawyers and doctors and nurses, but it can be, you know, household moms, also dads. They can be a bus driver. But there is they always kind of have to be doing something and something comes along and that’s it. You know, they hit rock bottom and they can’t get back to that. And one of the things that I really encourage my patients to do is to stay at home, think on our power and that’s your time where it’s your quiet time. And I think it’s so important because really the only way I think that you can have a dialog with the universe, whatever you want to call that God, the universe, whatever is when you’re quiet, otherwise you miss it, you miss it, you know. 

And I see people out walking with their Walkmans and, you know, they get all this music going or whatever they’ve got going. And I think they’re missing a golden opportunity. That’s for quiet time. So one of my colleagues, fellow chiropractor, wonderful human being, show dispenser, talks about the walking meditation. And that’s something that I’ve been using for a number of years, a lot for me. Again, being active I think is a way to shore up some of the things that you have cut corners on. You know, I think depending on your health, you have to be more vigilant than others. Obviously, fibromyalgia, you really have to really be careful what you eat and things that you’re doing with your life, you know? But Joe has this program where you’re as you’re walking, you’re just really kind of focusing on straight ahead and just kind of listening, feeling what’s going on inside of you. And as the thought comes, you kind of acknowledge it, but you let it go. And I think that’s very powerful for the fibromyalgia community because, again, I mean, these interviews and even on this one, we’ve talked about the nervous system being on hyper alert. And so what you’ve shared kind of goes right into this whole idea that just get quiet, just get quiet, and these stretches that you’ve share. And I would encourage everybody get this free program that she’s that she’s mentioned Janice mentioned but just to get quiet and try to hear what is your body trying to tell you about this illness? You know, these symptoms are warning signs. What in your life has created this drama? And be quiet and be quiet and try to try to hear what the universe is telling you about this.

Jana Danielson

You know, what I love about what you’re saying is that what this does, the hour of power plays? I mean, whatever you know, you’re your flavor is it allows us to get reacquainted with our body, I think. Right. So many of us would pass our body on the street and not even recognize who we were. And so what you become through these experiences is connoisseurs of movement, just like connoisseurs of fine wine. And you start to understand what your body wants when it’s whispering, because if you don’t understand what it wants, when it’s whispering or you don’t understand that language, the whisper gets a little louder and a little louder until it’s a full out flare or a full out temper tantrum. And then we finally pay attention to it. It’s just like our kids write like, mom, mom, mom. And pretty soon they’re like screaming mom, right? So that’s what these mindful movements and movement therapies offer. And for those of you who are like the A type like this doesn’t count as exercise. I want I have this to share with you.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

That’s me. So I know.

Jana Danielson

I know the audience of it. Well, yeah.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

That I still my 2 hours of pickleball are for sure.

Jana Danielson

Absolutely. Absolutely. But here’s what I want to say. If you’re like, but what if my body is not going to respond to it, or what if my genes start beating differently? Here’s what I can say. My body has changed dramatically since I started doing Pilates and everything else that I do when I’m in my spin class or when I’m out for a walk or whatever else I’m doing is so much more impactful because Pilates is what creates the alignment and the connection. And then when I’m doing all my other things, I can tell really quickly when something is just a little bit off and I can grab my foam roller or like Diana’s block, I can grab her block or I can grab a little tennis ball and get that little ache out of my shoulder. And so I’m dealing with my whispers. And in the meantime, my body is getting exactly what it has needed. And so I have and I have many clients in the same boat that they’re like, How is this even happening? Like, my scale isn’t changing much, but yet I just went and bought a pair of jeans that were two sizes smaller than I had, you know, six months ago. That’s the beauty of working the system versus working the pieces.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Yeah. And I will say moving in the health over the years, last 30 years, anytime I come in contact with someone that either teaches plot age or is habitual user applies and yoga, by the way, they always radiate this this energy, this beautiful vibration, vibration that’s coming from them, you know, this innate inborn healing dynamo that we have, they have tapped into it. I mean, it’s no doubt. And their bodies look different. Their bodies different than someone who does not practice this discipline. So, Janet, thank you. Now give us your Web site so they can go and find out more. And we’re going to have that free program on the summit. We’ll have that available as well. But what’s the website they need to go to?

Jana Danielson

Amazing. So I kind of plot my seed and two different websites so mettadistrict.com so Medha with two teas met a district is that’s my online movement community and then I just mentioned pelvic floor really briefly today but I’ve created a product called the Cooch Ball which helps men and women with pelvic floor health. And so if you’re interested in pelvic floor fitness, then coach Volcom is where you can find me.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Right. This has been very interesting. And I’m going to have to get my old place workbook out and get on the mat. I love I love yoga, but I may have to start switching over to in some places as well. So just from what you’ve shared has got me going motivated.

Jana Danielson

Well, you know, they’re so complimentary. I think sometimes people are like, I do yoga, therefore I don’t do parties and vice versa. But they are such a beautiful system together. So I think there is magic to be had when you combine.

Rodger Murphree, DC, CNS

Both Yeah, well, thanks again. It’s been really fun.

Jana Danielson

Thank you.