Roadmap To Cellular Detox

Daniel Pompa, DC

I, I always say I didn’t choose it, it chose me. I got very sick. You know, it’s that kinda just brought me here. I was functioning in private practice specializing in structural correction and the bottom fell out of my life, just to keep it short and simple. And life was really good actually until that point. I had two young boys at the time. We have five kids now, so you can see the progression. But, I was in the best shape of my life arguably, training for bicycle races that I was doing at the expert level. Life was great. And then, fatigue. I thought I was over training. Took time off the bike. 

Went back, fatigue, worse, anxiety, digestive problems started, allergic to this food, avoiding that food, you know, all these different things started, couldn’t sleep through the night, anxiety, panic attacks, massive brain fog. I went from a photographic memory to, where am I, where’s my keys, I can’t find anything. But yeah, I mean, that was it. I mean, I was struggling even to get through a day, frankly. I remember going to my office just thinking everyone would cancel and I could just lay down in between patients and it was hard. My wife had to take the kids outta the house often times ’cause a crying baby would just send me reeling. My adrenals were fried. My thyroid I knew was malfunctioning, but every time I went and did testing, I spent $5000 in testing at one point. That’s just one group of testing. I went to the best toxicology hospital in Pittsburgh. That’s where I used to live. And I didn’t have insurance, so I paid out of pocket for all these tests, praying something would come back abnormal. Tell me I have cancer. 

Tell me whatever, just give me an explanation so I can figure it out and fight it. They came back normal, so of course, they look at you and go, well, maybe a psychotropic drug. I mean, believe me, I left two or three different doctor’s offices with prescriptions for psychotropic drugs, which I just threw in the trash and moved on. But, you know, I didn’t know what was wrong. I wanted to know what was wrong. I suffered for three or four years that way until I figured out what was wrong. 

So, everything I teach today came out of that. And so, like I said, I didn’t choose it. It’s been from pain to purpose and I would say promise, because God definitely gave my wife some very specific promises that I was not only going to get well, that I was going to take a message to the world. And when I, by the way, Eric, when she told me that, I didn’t like her very much. I, it angered me, because I couldn’t even get myself well. So, to me it was just one more burden to think. But, she was just speaking, you know, God spoke to her heart that was going to happen. She was right, I was wrong, she was right. I’m taking a message to the world. So I mean, pain to purpose, that is my story.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, that is just so true is that you know, rationality is a very useful tool, but it’s not, it’s not truth.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Yeah, yeah, it is true. But, look you know, when it came to my issue I knew there was something upstream than just my adrenals and thyroid. Look, I addressed those. And yeah, some things may have gotten better, but some things worse, but I knew I wasn’t well yet. So, I knew there was something beyond that. And I had gone, I was online, I remember just searching for answers, you know, like most people do, I would say, probably nights that I couldn’t sleep and didn’t have debilitating anxiety. But, I found Mad Hatter’s Disease and you probably recall what that is. 

Maybe some of our listeners or viewers don’t, but people making felt hats were actually using mercury and they were mercury poisoned, but they became known as Mad Hatters. I literally had all the symptoms. So, of course, one of the tests that I went and got in that $5000 bank of tests was a mercury test and it came out normal. It was like a year or so later I was working with a very bright endocrinologist and he said, you know Dan, I think you have mercury toxicity. I said, you know, I thought so, too, and I did a test and it came out negative. He said, ah, that’s the wrong test. You wanna challenge that in your tissues, even then you might miss it, you know. But, there was enough that you know, it literally woke me up to the fact that he was probably right. I started addressing that correctly, which, by the way, that was a lot of research because one thing I’ve found is pretty much everything online, contradiction, contradiction, this, everyone has their opinions.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Oh yes.

Daniel Pompa, DC

I mean, after a month of research I was like, well, I don’t even feel like I can do anything without worrying because everyone’s you know, in disagreement. I did pray and God, I really, truly believe led me to you know, the answer, how to do it correctly, how to get the mercury out of my brain. And that’s ultimately what drove my symptoms. So much of it was around the center of the brain, pituitary hypothalamus, which controls your thyroid, controls your adrenals, your hormones. So, no wonder I was just spinning my wheels to try to figure out the thyroid issue. And by the way, like so many, I’d go and you know, my hair was thinning, I had all the symptoms, yet my blood work was still normal. I mean, one day it would’ve went off, right, and of course, one day they would’ve medicated me to make my blood work normal, but I wouldn’t have felt any normal because the problem was much deeper.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yes, I think that is the key, the difference between acute illness and chronic illness, you know. An acute illness, you can fix the top symptom and people get better. In chronic illness, it’s under, what’s underneath that’s important. So, continue your journey here. So, mercury has come up and some deep research.

Daniel Pompa, DC

You know, I mean, one of the things that I had learned was there was two camps. There was the alternative medicine side that was chlorella, cilantro, saunas, you know, colon cleanses, liver cleanses, I mean all these different detoxes, right. And I learned that it really just creates a lot of redistribution, especially when you really have a deep rooted toxicity. I even tried some of those things and got worse. And then the other side of the coin is the allopathic medicine, or at least alternative allopathic medicine maybe is a better way to put it. They’re using IV chelation, which almost sent me to the insane asylum because they put a real chelator in. Over here they’re using weak binders, they kinda just stir it up. 

Over here they’re using real binders, but they’re using it incorrectly. When you give an IV it pulls a lot at once and you go home and then, it just keeps coming and redistributing and I thought I was you know, literally losing my mind at that point. I remember you know, just spending you know, many days curled up in a ball after that. So, that’s when I realized okay, the truth’s gotta be somewhere in here, right. And you know, so everything I teach really is about doing it correctly. You have to use real chelators or binders, but you have to use them correctly. What I mean by that is they have a half life of how long they stay in the body. So, for example, DMPS was the one, at one point I even tried EBTA, but the same problem. 

They put a lot in at once and it just kept coming out of me and basically after eight, 10 hours most of it’s gone and yet, it’s still pouring out of your tissues, only to redistribute into my brain and that’s what caused the, the crazies as I call them. So, you know, you have to use them within their half life, meaning, DMDS, it has to be taken every eight to 10 hours underneath that half life, otherwise, you’re going to have the effect I had. Over here these are weak binders. They have to be used with stronger binders or chelators because otherwise they just kinda stir the bee’s nest. I always say it’s kinda like the street cleaners. 

I don’t, I always say, do we still have those? I keep seeing them. But, they go down the street, our tax dollars pay a lotta money for these things, and you see this dust cloud from about them and you know, you go to yourself, what is it doing actually? The dust just settles back down on all the cars and around and maybe it picks up a few cups here and there, but that’s about it. But anyways, it just kinda stirs things up. So, the bottom line is you have to use real chelators, but you have to use them correctly. And then, here’s the other problem. Real detox has to be at the cellular level and that is probably the biggest violation of really understanding what detox is. More importantly, people watching this, it’s really how you get well. 

I have a saying, you have to fix the cell to get well. Or more specifically, you have to detox the cell to get well. And what I mean by that is this. Your cells have detox pathways that work day in, day out. As a matter of fact, when your cells just make energy so you feel normal, you have to get rid of the toxic byproduct of making energy, no different than if you burn wood in your fireplace. If that damper is closed that smoke pours into your home, you will die of the smoke not the fire. Well, when your cells are inflamed and closed off, the detox pathways aren’t working, then the same thing’s happening. You’re endogenously, meaning from the inside out, creating a toxic cell. Oh, and then, because your DNA is in those cells, it triggers genes of susceptibility. It triggers problems, autoimmune, all the bad stuff to happen, the weird symptoms, the unexplainable symptoms, all because the cell is toxic. 

Oh yes, and of course, the toxins that are in your body make their way in and around that cell and drive more inflammation and dysfunction. So, the point is this. If you don’t fix what your cells do and should do day in, day out, that’s detox the bad stuff out and bring in good stuff, I don’t care how you eat, I don’t care what vitamins you take, I don’t care what detoxes you do, you’re not gonna get well. So, you have to fix the cell to get well. So, I developed, when I started teaching that concept of how to do this and how I got my life back I realized after a few lectures that the doctors were just kinda lookin’ at me and they really had no reference of it and I remember being on an airplane literally on the way home from a specific lecture in California, you know, pouting perhaps that they didn’t get it. It’s their fault. 

And then, I’m sure I’m quickly pointing the finger back at me and was like, I’m just horrible at teaching it. And then I literally prayed and out came what I have now as the five Rs. I’m not kidding. I always say I’m not smart enough to come up with it. And it was probably a learning that I had been doing over that, it was, but it was how to organize it in a simple fashion. So, the five Rs is a roadmap of what I teach on how to detox a cell to ultimately get well. Again, if you don’t do that you’re not doing real detox. So, you have to operate that cell, you have to use real chelators and then I developed something else, how to grab the toxins from the liver bio complex and move it all the way out of the body, because otherwise you auto intoxicate. 

So, I do all the procedure process that I’ve been known for within that process. So, I just spilled a lot of information on you, but, I’m gonna do you a service, so I wanna review it. It’s important. If that’s a cell, this is where detox has to be. So, I would draw my five Rs, and we can go over those in a second, but I don’t wanna lose people in the science. I want people to grasp this concept, it’s important. This cell has to do what it needs to do every day to get rid of toxins. 

So, when we apply these five Rs to that cell we’re able to get the cell working. The problem is this. I learned this early on. Once you get that cell working old toxins start moving out of that cell. The problem is, sick people you redistribute those toxins. And again, it can cause the crazies. So, the fact is this is where out here we have to use these real chelators. I mentioned a few, right. DMPS, although used incorrectly most often, is great when you use it right. DMSA is another one. They’re water soluble. They don’t get the toxins out of the deep tissues in the cells, but they do a great job of making sure you don’t redistribute. So, they don’t.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

They’ll pick ’em off the cell membrane nicely.

Daniel Pompa, DC

One thing I found, especially with heavy metals, but even bio toxic or mycotoxic illness, people try to get well just by using chelators. It’s not the case. It’s part of, part of the process, right. You gotta fix the cell. But anyway, so many of these toxins then are brought to the liver. If I draw a very crude liver there, we’ll just call that a liver. You know, I might have to label it so you know what it is. But they get brought to the liver and there they bind up with the fat complex of bile that your body uses to digest fat, right. So, bile’s used in the gut. The problem is it holds toxins. 

It’s called hepatic biliary sludge. And then, when you digest fat guess what? That bile is dumped in the gut to help break down fat, right. That’s what bile does. But, here’s the problem. It brings the toxins with it. And here’s the bigger problem. Your body reabsorbs bile from your small intestine back to the liver so it doesn’t have to recreate it. And, what does it bring with it? The toxins, as well. That’s auto intoxication. So, that process that I did, I developed a product called Bind, B-I-N-D. It has four different binders in it, because you need different binders at like mycotoxins, different binders at like heavy metals, different binders like infection type, which would be considered a bio toxin. But, the point is that you need multiple binders as a catcher’s mitt, just that doesn’t leave the gut, that just sits there and grabs that complex so you don’t auto intoxicate. 

And a lotta people with leaky gut, they’ll auto intoxicate. So, you need this binder sitting in there while you’re going through this process. So, think of it as three steps, up regulating the cell function, utilizing real chelators to make sure you, as vehicles, think about that as a vehicle to move it out of the body. One here I created called Cyto Detox. It’s a clinoptilolite particle, comes from volcanic soil. It’s clean, because most of them are dirty. But, it’s in a particle. And then, we even have another one called Cyto Plus that has a special form of EDTA in it that loves mercury and other metals. 

But, so we utilize different ones, and there’s some others here yeah, that we utilize, but this is where the chelators are used as vehicles so you don’t auto intoxicate. And then once these things are brought to the liver we wanna bind them in the gut so we don’t auto intoxicate there. So, one, two, three steps. And then, I do it in three phases. There’s a preparatory phase where we kinda strengthen the downstream pathways, the liver, the kidney, the lymph, the gut. And then, we move into what I call body phase where we just try to clear the easy to get toxins. And then, the most important phase of all, this is where I got my life back, I call it a brain phase. So, you have to understand, this is another pitfall where people go wrong. 

So, if I just drew the worst human head on the planet, but we’re gonna use it anyway. That’s a human head, by the way. I’d better put a little smiley face on that just so. Or at least a frown, I guess that’s what that is. But, in this human head, if I drew the brain up here, that’s where I wanna draw your attention to, because this is the problem. I had said earlier, this is where my problem was. Many of these neuro toxins, nerve, the biggest nerve in the body’s right here, they make their way to the brain. You can clear the body all day long, but unless you clear this you don’t fix the thyroid, you don’t fix the adrenals, the hormones. You don’t get your life back. You don’t fix the anxiety, the brain fog, the you know, the unexplainable symptoms that many people have, the depression. You have to get it out of the deep nerve tissue, the brain being the most important. 

So, the third phase is the brain phase where we actually utilize fat soluble chelators like alpha lipoic acid and then another one, the Cyto is part of that process. And then, we go deep into the brain eventually. So, a program I recently developed is called Pompa Program, and you know, I have to give credit, a lotta credit to my son because he said, dad, you’re gonna train doctors in this and you’ve been doing that, but many of them change your protocols. 

You’ve helped the most people yourself, but you’re limited. You need to put what you do in a very scalable program. So I did. I developed a whole online universe that teaches people what I teach my doctors, frankly, and that’s how to do this process, because here’s the problem there. It’s different for everybody. The chelators that your body likes are different than mine. The doses, the downstream detox support, all of it can be very different. So, this whole system scales to reach the masses and thereby teaching them the process. And if you learn the process you’ll get your life back, you will.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

And you said it well ’cause I mean, the individual, when it comes to again, chronic illness, it’s the disease of your body’s response to the environment. It’s not just the toxin and if you can get people, give them the information that they can listen to their own systems, that’s really exciting.

Daniel Pompa, DC

That’s right. Absolutely. You know, when we look at I would say most people that aren’t feel well watching this, you know, they were me, all you really care about is why you’re still not well, meaning, I bet you your audience has done very, very incredible things. They’re probably more dialed in to their diet than their friends and yet they’re going, why am I still not feeling well? They probably have done more supplements, may even have done more medications, saw more doctors, alternative, regular, whatever it is. They probably have tried exercise of some sort, some of which can’t even exercise ’cause they don’t have enough energy at the end of the day. 

They’ve probably tried every miracle product to sleep, anxiety, right, I mean, all of it. And they ask themselves, why do I still not feel well? Ultimately, it is this cell, right. On every cell you have hormone receptors. I love to use the example, thyroid. Obviously, it was part of my issue, but every hormone, whether it’s thyroid, whether it’s testosterone, estrogen, insulin, it doesn’t matter. It has to connect to a receptor on the cell. So, if I just use thyroid, and by the way, T3 is the active thyroid that connects to the receptor, gets its message in the cell. You burn fat efficiently, so you stay lean. But more importantly, you have energy. Your brain works. Your digestion works, right. So, what if something blocks that thyroid connection to that receptor and that it doesn’t get its message in the cell? You don’t feel well. Despite your supplements, despite exercise, despite changing your diet.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

And despite normal blood levels.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Bingo, because your thyroid blood levels like mine, I was going to the doctor and he’s going, you’re normal. No, my thyroid was not getting the message in the cell, right. Oh yeah, and here’s the thing. Let’s say fast forward 10 years, finally your blood levels are off, right. Okay well, you go to your then your doctor says, oh okay, well let’s give you, and he gives you T4. It makes your blood work look better.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Your TSH will normalize, you will be well.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Yeah, and then you go back to your doctor and go, he goes, your blood work looks better, so you should feel better. And you say, doc, I’m not. You know, it’s like, maybe a little bit better here, but certain things are worse, see because it didn’t convert to T3 because that conversion, a lot of toxins interfere with the conversion. That conversion, most of it takes place in the liver. When your liver’s toxic then you’re not making the conversion, but more importantly, what happens is these toxins are making their way to your cell membranes. 50 trillion cells in your body, toxins are all around it driving inflammation. 

Most people watching this have heard this. Inflammation is at the root of most diseases today and probably why you don’t feel well. But, what we should be asking is, what is the number one driver of cellular inflammation? Because, yes, a sore shoulder, that’s inflammation. But, I’m talking about cellular inflammation, which is really what they mean when they say it’s at the root of all disease, right, chronic disease. So, what is the number one driver? Yes, high insulin glucose levels, bad fats, that can drive inflammation. But, the number one is the one that most people aren’t addressing and that’s specific toxins that have the ability, these neuro toxins that I’m referencing, from moles, right, hidden infections, heavy metals. 

They make their way to the cell. They drive inflammation. And now look, now these receptors to your hormones, your cells can’t hear. I don’t care how many hormones you take. I don’t care what supplements you take. Your cells are deaf. And by the way, you can’t even get your good nutrition in your cells because the inflammation creates a cell resistant to moving toxins out and good stuff in.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Just as an aside here, this is exactly what you know, I mean we’ve talked, the people who have listened, we’ve talked many times about the cell danger response and that’s your cells trying to protect you from the toxin by slowing down its metabolism, by thickening its membrane. It’s all part of this healing cycle, but unfortunately, the toxins are stopping the cycle from going to completion. The body can’t finish the job.

Daniel Pompa, DC

I would argue that most people watching this that don’t feel well are in a cellular danger response. You’ve educated your audience well on that. But, let’s review. What is it? Your cells go, I’m gonna save your life because there’s a stressor that is here that whether it’s an infection, whether it’s a toxin, and by the way, there’s a specific place in the cell that monitors that environment and makes this judgment call to save your life. That’s the mitochondria. We know that it’s where you make energy, but what most even doctors forget is its second, maybe most important part of its function, is that it says uh oh, danger. Slow down the energy, puttin’ you into this danger response, but now reminding you when your cells are inflamed because of toxins your body is building up toxins in the cell. Your mitochondria shuts down energy production, saves your life. But, the problem is, is even if you do a lotta these other things your cells are still functioning as if you’re dying, so you have to fix the cell to get well, to get you out of the cellular danger response.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

That’s what’s so exciting about what you’re telling us, and I really let you keep going, is that you know, for so many people, they just take more and more supplements trying to push the energy and it just, like I said, leads to the shopping bag sign. You know, you come visit me with a shopping bag full of supplements, but you’re still feeling lousy. And you, I think, are making it very clear probably one of the major reasons that happens is that cell is toxic.

Daniel Pompa, DC

That’s it. And you know, again, you have, they go to doctors on this side or this side and oh, do this cleanse. Oh, I’ve detoxed, they say, right. Well, what does that mean, right? Because that’s the problem as I’ve started this conversation. They’re doing the 21 day cleanse. They’re doin’ cilantro, chlorella, or they’ve done IVs and they think they’ve detoxed. Look, I pulled mercury out of my brain for years. That’s why in my program my goal was to teach you the process. Number one, it’s different for everybody. You have to learn what’s right for you. And number two, if you learn it you’ll do it long enough to actually matter. 

You’re not going to get toxins outta your deep tissue, including your brain, in three months. Therefore, you’d better learn the process and not rely on your doctor, alternative or regular, it doesn’t matter. You have to learn the process. You know, that’s my passion is actually teaching people the process. It’s not hard. It’s just you have to you know, set, look, you have to be sick enough to realize if I don’t get to the cause I’m not getting my life back. Right, and so many people, I think this is a great danger because right now it’s in vogue that it’s the gut, it’s the gut, it’s the gut, which it is the gut. It’s part of, you know, part of why so many people are sick today. But, let me emphasize part. 

So, here’s the analogy, right. So, you buy this beautiful piece of property on this beautiful river and you’re excited. You come down to the river, but you see a lotta dead fish and hardly any fish and you realize that the ecosystem is very disrupted. The plants are dying, not much algae, doesn’t look like a great place for life. So, you wanna invest into your property. You restock fish and put new algae and plants and all these wonderful things. Three months later it’s all dead again. 

So, this time you do it and you do it even better. And then, maybe you do it three times. Finally, your neighbor comes over and says, George, you might want to stop dumpin’ your money into that because the problem is 21 miles upstream, there’s a factory dumping lead into the water, right. It’s like, you know, until you deal with that, stop doing this, right. So, we have all these people taking probiotics, this and that, trying to fix the gut, trying to do this. It’s like, you have a problem up here. Maybe it’s an infection in your mouth from where a wisdom tooth was removed. Maybe it’s a root canal. Maybe it’s amalgam fillings that are dumping mercury into that river. You know, maybe it’s lead pouring outta your bones that you got from your mother. Maybe it’s the moldy home that you didn’t know because you don’t see mold, you don’t smell mold, but it’s a moldy home. I think you get the point. You’d better look upstream to figure out what’s going on down here.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Thank you. That was, that was beautifully said, because that’s what we you know, deal with every day is the gut is the key, but the gut is you know, if the gut is the problem superficially, you change your diet, you do the probiotics, the blah, blah, blah, and you’re better. But, when that’s not workin’ look upstream.

Daniel Pompa, DC

I get, I had a client that I was today, right here, here’s his file, and so sick and sensitive. I mean, just a successful guy, life as you know it can go screeching halt. His family just thought he was crazy at one point. You know, and I always say you know, you are crazy, but it doesn’t mean you’re crazy. It means something caused crazy, right. I was crazy, too. But, the fact of the matter is is that you know, we were looking for cause, looking for cause and no doubt, I mean, he lived in some farm areas so he had exposures to a chemical called glyphosate, which we know opens up your barriers, your gut and your blood brain barrier and allows other toxins to cross deep. 

So I knew that he had just some history of heavy metals in his mouth, just other exposures along the way, so I knew he had large amounts of heavy metals in his brain. But, I always felt like there was something else going on. So, I finally convinced him to get what is called a cone beam done. It’s a 3-D x-ray of the jaw. You can’t see these hidden infections on a regular x-ray. I’ll say that again. You can’t see these hidden infections from root canals or where teeth were removed, like wisdom teeth, unless you do a 3-D, it’s like a CAT scan, if you will, of the jaw, right, 3-D x-ray.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

I gotta remind people, it is minimal radiation in these ’cause the bone is so small, it’s not a problem.

Daniel Pompa, DC

The new ones are minimal compared to the old ones. But anyway, he gets it done and he has suspect of infection. He goes to the right dentist, and by the way, you have to have the right dentist read it, please. Don’t get a cone beam done and have your regular dentist read it. They don’t know how. They don’t even have the right software. So, caution there. He sent it to a dentist that we utilize in Pompa Program. You know, there was areas of suspicion. He went in, massive infection. He gets the infection out, he just reminded me of this story ’cause I said, man, these infections, after he gained, he was down to 120 pounds, by the way, okay. And he said he was 125 pounds, but he had fat through his waist. You know, so now he’s up to 140 pounds, so he gained 20 pounds in four months since that surgery, which by the way, he couldn’t eat enough and gain weight. He had no cellular assimilation of food his cells were so inflamed. 

But, he’s gained the 20 pounds, but more importantly he doesn’t have the belly fat any more and his gut, he couldn’t take anything, small amounts of this, this food, that food. He’s now able you know, to actually do normal things. He’s able to take walks again. He’s sleeping through the night again. You know, because we found the source. And now, I won’t claim that he’s completely through the woods yet, right. But, the point was is that we found a source. We removed it and now we’re detoxing and getting now we’re going after the mercury. He’s able to tolerate detox again. I tell that story just to say, I can go through, look at these files after files of stories just like that, right, but that’s why I developed Pompa Program because I can’t do it all, you know. So, I have very trained coaches you know, that walk people through the process and look upstream.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, it’s that detective work of knowing that somewhere when someone’s staying ill there probably is that gas leak that’s just keeping the flame going despite everything you’ve done.

Daniel Pompa, DC

One of the things I always tell my doctors is if someone’s not progressing as normal there’s something else upstream.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Typically, it works in what I call perfect storm. And just like this gentleman, I said look, even if that low grade mold exposure in your home, which I made him fix, isn’t what made you sick, it will be the thing that’s keeping you from getting well. I would argue even the same thing with the infections in his mouth. If he didn’t have other exposures and stressors, then maybe he would’ve battled this off for another 20 years, right. And then, but you know, yeah, it doesn’t make it good. Right, it’s obviously, it was taxing his immune system, because these infections just flow right into the bloodstream, typically drive autoimmune, obviously, drive massive gut issues because they also go this way, right.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Just to amplify what you’re saying, I think the reason we don’t, we get such little respect from the regular dental community and the regular medical community on these ideas of these I’ll call jaw infections, is that most people, if you are healthy, yes, you tolerate it until something else happens. And I think and that goes along with like the same thing with the low level mercury exposure, exposures and levels. They’re, some people tolerate, but as you add these stressors one of them begins as this old saying you know, the straw that breaks the camel’s back, and after, once it’s broken any straw is too much.

Daniel Pompa, DC

That’s right. Perfect storm. It takes three storms. You know, we’ll date ourselves here, but the movie, the Perfect Storm, George Clooney, movie in the ’80s, right, but. That’s what it was, yes. Thought it was just last year.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

I thought it was just, yeah, maybe two years ago. Okay, I can still see it.

Daniel Pompa, DC

But, the movie did a great job of explaining if you have three weather fronts come together, it’s not an average storm. It’s catastrophic in nature, you know. Thousands die, you know, and that’s really what we’re seeing today, right. You know, I mentioned in this case glyphosate, right. You know, glyphosate’s being used.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

It’s ubiquitous, it’s all over, yeah.

Daniel Pompa, DC

It’s throughout everything, right. And it’s opening up these blood brain barriers and exposing our brain to toxins that you know, our body was beating down or dealing with at some level and now, foom, right into the brain, right, because glyphosate does that. It’s part of the perfect storm. By the way, in the perfect storm, physical, chemical, or emotional. Maybe you’re in a low grade moldy home. You have silver amalgam fillings. You have an infection, right. It’s like, and then you get an emotional stress. Boom, that’s it, perfect storm. 

I look at it like this. It’s, I drew this because I was gonna use it earlier, the analogy is a three legged stool. All three, you know the analogy. All three have to be there for it to hold up, right. So, all three have to be there typically for the perfect storm to happen or you know, to start the illness, but in here, and this is what I want the most people to hear, in here lies the solution as well, because if you don’t deal with the causes then we’re not going to have a real lasting solution. So, I think that we’ve heard a lot that about genes today, you know, our DNA. And I’ll say, genes by themselves don’t make us sick. I mean, there’s exceptions of different genetics.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Very rare and those are usually before age 10, you know, not at 30.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Right, but we know most genes get turned on or triggered, if you will, right. And what we know is that stressors trigger them, physical, emotional, or chemical, right. So, if genes get triggered then it’s something that we want to be able to deal with and turn them down and I teach a lotta strategies in my program on how to do that. But, we have to deal with this leg of the stool, and I’ll just put stressors by that, because physical, chemical, or emotional stressors are what trigger that gene, right. This is a lot of where my cellular work comes in. You know, we have to deal with the upstream stressors. And then, if I put microbiome, everyone’s heard about it today, it’s very in vogue. The microbiome, which controls our immunity, right, it’s our gut, it is a factor, right. But, you’re not gonna fix this without dealing with the stressors. So see, all of these legs of the stool are interrelated. If we don’t fix this we also can’t turn off the genes, right.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, ’cause those genes turn on, as you said in the beginning, this is our body’s attempt to protect ourselves. It’s just that it should be transitory. You know, it’s a little bit like anger, not a bad thing, but a bad thing if you can’t turn it off.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Exactly, and that’s the cellular danger response, right. It’s the thing that saves our lives if you move in and out of it no problem. But, if you’re already toxic, I always, I like to describe it like this, right. If your bucket is right here at the edge, right, when you’re at the edge you’re typically functioning with like, here’s what people say. You know, I get some fatigue. You know, I they mitigate it with coffee and different things, right, they get through their day. You know, I get some brain fog, but isn’t it normal, right? You know, I don’t sleep great, but you know, I get through the night. You know, it’s, I wake up tired, but like don’t most people, right? That’s someone who’s like kinda right at the edge. But, someone that flows over and their bucket’s overflowed, these are the people now looking for answers. 

These are the people taking medications. These are the people that are now visiting a doctor goin’, what’s goin’ on with my life? I can’t function anymore, right. Your bucket’s overflowed. So, the point is this. If your bucket is down here, so if I draw another bucket. Oh boy, my pen’s starting to run out ’cause you’re not supposed to write like this, right. So, we’ll just have to get another pen. Anyway so, if your bucket is half full, okay, if your bucket’s half full you can take a lot more stress, right. So, imagine if I had two glasses, one to the very top and one half full. I could shake the half full one pretty good. That means you could take stress, right. You can take, you know, you’re movin’ in and out of the cellular danger response. Oh, danger, no problem, handle it, right. In and out. This person hits that emotional stress, a toxic stress, electromagnetic frequency, little bit of stress, flows over.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

You know, I like to think or just a mild fender bender you know.

Daniel Pompa, DC

That’s the trigger often times.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, just enough to stress that neck, stress that brain, get the cranial nerve not happy and you know, as you said, when that glass is full, there’s too much inflammation. You can’t heal.

Daniel Pompa, DC

We have to empty the bucket. We have to empty the bucket, right, then we can turn the cell’s response down, right. Then we can decrease the inflammation. Then we can turn off the gene. You see, and then all of a sudden now the gene that’s turned on that’s driving you know, this gut inflammation or the gene that’s turned on that’s driving this you know, constant skin problem or the thyroid, your body attacking the thyroid, hashimoto. Now we can turn that gene down and now your body starts to function again. But, none of that will happen with just taking supplements. None of that will happen just with dietary change, unfortunately. None of that will happen, and it’s not that you don’t do those things. But again, the point is is that you have to get to the cause of what triggered the gene. You know, and then you’ll be able to fix the gut. And then, you know, I hope people see the picture here.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, I love listening to you. I mean, you’re doing just a beautiful job of okay, this is, this is the job.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Well, let me, let me give them my, my thing if they want more information and you know, if they just go to cellularsolution.com, they can watch a webinar for more information if they’d like.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, no, I think this is I mean, really what you are, what you are laying out for people, I mean, again, even if they can’t do it themselves, if they, if they understand this they’ll be so much more efficient as help, as being part of their healing, you know, because you know, as they work with their physicians or their health practitioners on this process, if they can really integrate what you’re trying to lay out, they will be so much more successful because they’ll really understand. They won’t, number one, they won’t get thrown off when things bite back a little bit, because as you say, it’s really easy when you’ve been sick a long time and you over detox to decide that oh my God, I can never do that again.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Yeah, absolutely. I can’t tell you how, that was this gentleman. You know, I can’t do that again, right. It’s like, look, you just did it wrong, you know. You just did it incorrectly. The fact that you reacted that way shows you you were tapping into the problem, but you have to do it right. I hope I leave people with why, look, this is why you still don’t feel well and this is what makes it very, very different. You know, and there is a right way to do it. And I, look, I don’t have all the answers, but I know this. This is what got my life back and the only reason I know it is because I suffered and God brought me through it. And as my wife said, right, you know, there was, I would not only get well, but I would bring a message to the world through it. And so, I hope it leaves people with hope, I do.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah no, I think you do because I think the clarity of how you lay this out I think is so helpful for, for practitioners and patients alike to just realize that it’s process, you know. Once you have reached that point, I’ll say it again, of chronic illness where it’s been six months or longer and you’re still not poppin’ back, okay, your system is now stuck and figuring out where it’s coming from and in our modern world toxicity is probably the major player.

Daniel Pompa, DC

It is, yeah. You know, the old days people could change their diet and exercise a little bit and get well, even lose weight. Now, people can’t even lose weight, weight loss resistance because it’s a toxic driven cellular inflammation problem. The cellular solution, that’s why I call the webinar that, cellularsolution.com. It’s a cellular solution, because it’s a cellular problem, that’s why.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, and I just love the way you’re making sure that your covering all the bases, you know, and making, ’cause that detox is so. In fact, Dr. Parpia, I’ll give you her, she’s decided to call what you’re calling your preparatory phase, she calls pre-tox, because so many of our patients you know have you know, in the beginning, were just oh, they wanna start detoxing.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Can’t do it.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

And if everything is pretty much everything’s closed down all you do is blow yourself up, as you found. You know, you found with that first DNPS IV. You know, I mean, that is something, I am a great lover of DNPS IVs, but I also, back when I started using them in the ’90s there was a popular website called DNPSdeath.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Yeah, I thought I was gonna be one of those.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Right, right, it was somebody who had a similar experience of yours, and that’s what taught me is that no, that’s not how you lead off. If you start off that way you’re going to make many people ill. It’s preparing the ground. And so, thank you. I just really appreciate your thought process, you know. I mean, it is so interesting how you know, you went through the process and you actually were able to feel it, think it, analyze it, and keep refining it, and that is a gift, and thank you for sharing it. I really appreciate it.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Thank you, Dr. Eric, for having me. That’s, I appreciate that, so.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Okay, I just wanna remind people because I think you know, taking a look, you know, at your books, and one of the things, I just want, before we go, I just wanna bring back, I’m pretty sure it was you know, just how important that you brought up that you know, fasting is important, but it’s not just fasting. It’s sometimes changing your diets and just speak two words about, you know, a few sentences about that ’cause I just thought that was such an important piece of information that so many people just.

Daniel Pompa, DC

I mean, I wrote a book, Beyond Fasting. I believe fasting is really important. But, you know what I found today is there’s people that are fasting too much, and now I have to remind people that the feast is as important as the fast, meaning, the eating you know, it puts us into another phase called imtor, where the body heals very differently than it does autophagy, which is what’s happening during a fast. Your body’s breaking down bad cells, catabolic phase. But, if you do that too much it’s not good. But, if you feast periodically and do that correctly, the diet, then you also can drive healing. So, the combination’s part of what I talk about in my book, feast, famine, cycling, how to do it weekly, how to do it monthly, how we feast women, especially the week before their cycle, how that’s important. Fast them at another time during the month because it sets up a rhythm. So, I talk about a lotta that. But yeah, if it were only so easy just to fast, even.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Yeah, again, once another just how much I appreciate your thought process is the way you know, really bringing in the cycles, ’cause it’s the, I mean, we are so cut off from the cycles of life in nature and we forget that that’s what runs the show. And that is just important if you wanna heal you have to realize that you know, the time of day, the time of night, the time of the year, all plays a role in what your body’s ready to do.

Daniel Pompa, DC

You’re a wise physician, Dr. Gordon, you’re very, you are. I remember our first conversation and I think that’s what united us. We just immediately both of us, went to these major premises that really most people don’t understand, you know.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

We listen to our patients and you listen to yourself, which is the most, and did it. So, I wanna thank you. I really appreciate it. I’m hoping that people will you know, just take away from this the empowerment, take your course and really learn how to take control of your own life and your own healing.

Daniel Pompa, DC

Thanks, doc, appreciate it.

Eric Gordon, M.D.

Thank you, be well. Bye bye.