Spiritually Resolve Conflicts

Tom McCarthy

I’m looking forward to talking to our next guest. I first heard about her reading a book from another guest on our first summit, back in September, her name was Tina Zion, and she wrote a book about “Becoming Your Own Medical Medium” and great book. And as I was reading through that book, she talked about Amy Jo Ellis and the full Court of Atonement, which you’re gonna learn about today. And I was fascinated with it. I started using it on my own. Got some good results, I didn’t even tell you that yet. Amy Jo, but we had a really nice Thanksgiving, ’cause I used it right before, we usually have a pretty nice one with my family, but it was really fantastic. And Amy Jo has a really interesting story. She grew up on a horse farm. So you were a bit of a country girl, I guess riding horses and singing and playing and writing music. And then at some point now I’ll ask you when this happened. At some point you also discovered you had another gift, which was being a clairvoyant, an intuitive being able to channel and you created something really cool, which we’re gonna focus on in this session called the full Court of Atonement. But go back how the heck did this journey get you to where you are now starting off on a horse farm, singing songs. And I think you wrote some songs of other people saying too.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Not anyone famous, unfortunately, every time they well no… They did sing them, they recorded them, but they didn’t make the album. But so yeah no, I started out as a songwriter and singing and I was, you know, like the my career as a songwriter and a performer carried me from I was doing spiritual events in California all up and down the coast. And then it carried me all the way to Puerto Rico where I ended up working in hotels and waterfront restaurants down there for 10 years. But I was gonna say the songwriting is what drove me, to move around within my life. And I would say that that songwriting is channeling. You’re stepping out the way, getting outta the way and allowing the to come through. And so I’ve been like being prepared to be a channel my whole life by starting songwriting when I was seven, you know?

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

You really just have to shut up and let the song come through rather than I wonder what I should say here. Nobody, the really great songwriters don’t force. They just think, what should I put here? Shut up list and then that empty space fills it in, you know?

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So that’s how channeling and learning, as an entertainer, if you are not entertaining in your delivery of things, you seem to empty seats.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So I learned to be an entertainer and it helped me be a like a great communicator somehow. Like I said, I think they prep us our whole lives for what we’re gonna do.

 

Tom McCarthy

You know, that’s interesting you said that so I speak all over the world and when I’m doing my best work speaking in front of you know, big crowds or corporate audiences, I really don’t feel like it is me, right. I am channeling it’s something coming through us. I just finished a book and I was actually actively saying work through me you know, talking to, you know, the energies and guides and resources, you know, that are available to all of us. So we really do all channel I want you to think about it, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

There’s no way out.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

One time had a great grandfather who’s been long gone, the spirit of him tell me you have very few original thoughts.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, yeah, very true.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so much of us thinking through you. I go oh, okay.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, so when did you officially begin to do your channeling and your work, helping other people to come up with the answers that they’re looking for with help with healing? When did that really start? ‘Cause you were doing it while you were a singer songwriter or was it something that you transit into?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It kind of just, it’s like some reason people always, even as a kid came to me with their problems and I helped them talk them through.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

That’s like always happened. And I’m sure that a lot of other empaths out there will recognize that people seek you out to tell their stories. So, the kind of that came through, I wasn’t giving a lot of credit to supernatural forces, so to speak. I wasn’t thinking about spirit guides or anything like that until I was in Puerto Rico and my boss got murdered. When my boss got murdered, I made a mistake and I said out loud, how did you get yourself into a situation to get you murdered? And when I spoke that out into the universe, the universe answered it and I saw it happen in my mind. I saw what happened to him, I saw a woman walk up to him. I saw her get him in a car, I saw two men behind him. I saw I’m like, I’m going stop, stop, stop. I don’t wanna see, you know.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And people that had just told me, he was murdered, said, what was going on? What’s wrong with you? And I told them what I saw and I said, I gotta take this information to the police and my husband’s like you live on a four mile by seven mile island babe, with murderers on it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

You don’t want to take this to the police right now. You gotta sit on this, you gotta wait a while. And so I didn’t do it, but the lady I told did, that evening a knock came on the door and it was a police officer. And he said, “Hey, we talked with your friend. “And she said that you know this woman who had this vision.” So she put me as a third person and he said, we went down with… I had seen a green truck with steak sides on it. They went down to the ferry dock and they viewed the footage and they saw where a green Ford truck with steak sides had come onto the island. And they saw the things and they saw the man and the women in the footage, they got them all, they arrested the murder of this person. And he said, “tell your friend, thank you for me” and winked at me. And I’m like, ahhh. how is this even remotely?

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

But they had enough evidence that they didn’t need me once they got that far.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, wow.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So that’s how I began to go… There’s some value to what I’m seeing here. There this is absolute truth. There’s not this isn’t me making it up because that’s how it feels like we’re making this stuff up.

 

Tom McCarthy

Right.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

But I began to go, no, there’s more to it than that. And I need to take pay attention. And so that was really the beginning of me going. Now when I shut up and I listen and I ask the questions and those answers start pouring in. I need to be writing those answers down and paying very good attention to it. So that was the beginning of channeling and getting all this information.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah you know, that’s interesting what you said too, because it does feel to a lot of people when they’re starting, like you’re making it up. And so then they do disregard it and don’t continue to follow through with their work. Even we’re gonna talk about, you know, the full Court of Atonement, you know, for some people it’s gonna feel like, okay, I’m just making this up, right. And but it is real and very, very powerful. And so getting rid of just the need to always have, you know, be able to touch it and feel it, you know, with your hands, right? And believing more in these things that are coming through you, I think is really important for people too. I wanna get into the full Court of Atonement because that’s what you’ve become known around the world for. And first of all, what we’ll talk about what it is later, but how did it come up that this gift was given to you? The full Court of Atonement?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Well, it was my son’s birthday and on his birthday, all of my family, my brothers and sisters, my mom and dad, everybody called our son and wished you a happy birthday. And my husband said, it’s so sweet that your family does this. But it makes so sad because we haven’t heard from any member of my family in 10 years. And he is like, it was so, and so’s wedding. And that was the last time we saw everybody and they don’t call me back. They don’t you know, they don’t answer the phone calls. they don’t answer the text, they don’t answer anything. And he goes, I don’t know what happened and why we’re so pan off. So I went into that channeled state. And it’s all about the quality of the question that you ask when you’re in that state as to what answer you’re going to get. And so I just asked what is like the best thing I can do for that family to resolve, to get them back together, ’cause I didn’t have the wording I have now, just what’s the best thing I can do to get their that family back together. And what I channeled, I wrote down place their souls into a Court of Atonement, asked to resolve any and all conflicts between them basically at their points of origin. And he said back then on the astral plane, but that brings up so many questions. They just changed it to point of origin. So he just made this little simple statement. So I sat down–

 

Tom McCarthy

When you say he you’re talking about your guide?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

I’m talking about my spirit guide.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Who comes to me as a masculine presence. I don’t see anybody and I don’t really hear a voice. It’s my voice, but it feels very masculine. And when I’m working with it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

When I asked him what his name was, his name was Abraham. I was very bummed to find out my name was already, my guide’s name was taken by Esther Hicks. So I didn’t share that it was, his name was Abraham for a long time people always ask, is it the same Abraham? And the answer is yes and no when it’s Abraham it’s him. And when it’s everybody else, it isn’t. So yes, it’s the same Abraham. Anyway, what he said was, “Place our souls “in a Court of Atonement.” So I sat with my computer and I wrote out, I placed my husband and each time they had me saying the full name. So my husband first middle and last, and I didn’t even know his brother and sister’s last middle names and I got them all right. As they channeled through me as I got names correctly.

 

Tom McCarthy

Oh, wow!

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so I put all everybody I could think of in to a Court of Atonement asked to analyze their timelines and resolve the conflict between them at their points of origin. Well, that was May on my son’s birthday. And on in July, on my husband’s birthday, all of his brothers and sisters called him. And wished him a happy birthday. And he said, “Honey, do you think that weird “thing that you did for me helped?” And I said yeah, that we would, that would be what it is. And but I’m a quick learner and I didn’t try again. I just thought that was a one time thing and I let it go. And about a year later, I was at my parent’s house. I’m trying to sleep. I can hear my brother arguing with his girlfriend in the next room, I’m like, oh brother. So being selfish and wanting to sleep, I asked what I could do to solve their problem. And once again, I got the exact same answer. Put their souls in a Court of Atonement, asked to resolve the conflicts between them at their points of origin. Well, so I did, I let it go. I didn’t think anymore about it, but the next day, my mom’s like “Amy Jo, what did you do to your brother?” And I’m like, I didn’t do anything to my brother. 

You know, we used to throw eggs at each other and things like that. I’m like, I’m not guilty, I didn’t do anything. My mom’s like, “No, he’s getting along so well “with everybody today, I was thinking, “you must have done something.” And I went oh, I did. I put his souls in a and his girlfriend on a Court of Atonement to resolve the conflicts between them, and she goes, “Wow, write that down. “I need that write that down.” So that was the… She’s the first person really to see the value in it yeah. And so I wrote it down, I wrote it down for her and she said, “Hmm I wonder if this would help people who are dead?” And I said yeah, it’ll work even better. Because here we have free will as to whether we’re going to receive the blessing or not. And for the dead person, they get that to clear their energy right then. And so it really helps. And, so my mother’s like, “Oh my gosh,” she says, “I’m gonna put this to work. “I’m gonna see what I can do with this.” So she and I began, every time we would go to bed, it’s just we’re saying from one person after another, don’t put this person, put this person in and we just keep thinking and we’re doing this. And so the real moment that I went, the aha moment was I’m laying in… We’re sitting in the living room actually my husband goes, “I smell cigarette smoke, who’s smoking? And we live in the middle of nowhere.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so he’s like, he gets out, he walks around our house. There’s nobody out there. And he’s like stronger in the house than it is out there. So we don’t pay any more attention to that. I go to bed about three o’clock in the morning. I wake up I it’s like the bedroom is full of smoke. Now people talk about smelling spiritual essences. This is like being in a bar with smoke, not like, oh, a little essence of smoke. This I just was trying to explain to people when we say we smell something. I mean, pungent.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So in my thoughts, I heard my friend, who’s a mentor of mine. Who’s a psychic medium saying, “oh, I smell…” She says, “Oh, I smell cigarette tobacco. “I wonder who’s trying to get my attention.” And it’s a signal for her that a spirit is trying to get her attention when she smells cigarette tobacco like that. So I thought, is somebody trying to get my attention? And I felt this wave of yes, come over me. And I went, wow! I went oh, who’s trying to get my attention. And in my mind, I saw my grandfather and a photograph of my grandfather, that’s been sitting on the piano. It’s something I’m familiar with. So I saw the photograph in my mind’s eye and I went, oh, grandpa, are you trying to get my attention? He said, I heard, “Yes, please tell your father “that I apologize that things were not better between us “when he was a little boy.” The grandfather was nominated for a Congressional Medal of Honor those don’t come with good stories.

 

Tom McCarthy

Right.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So he had PTSD for sure.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah,

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So when is asking for forgiveness for something, that’ll be why. And he said, “Ask him to pardon me for that.” That’s a specific word, pardon. And I said well, I said, okay so I will do that. I’ll tell my dad this message. Well I’m like, oh my God, my dad doesn’t believe any of this stuff.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It’s gonna be really fun conversation. So I did the most responsible thing I could do and call mom, and so I called mom and I’m telling her, oh my gosh, grandpa came to me in the middle of the night, how it happened. And I said, and he asked to… He wanted to apologize that things weren’t better between him and dad when he was a little boy. And he asked him to pardon him for that. My mom goes, “Oh, I put him and his father “in a Court of Atonement yesterday.”

 

Tom McCarthy

Wow! Wow! Amazing!

 

Amy Jo Ellis

This was the aha moment. There were three thoughts at the exact same time, like an explosion that went off in my brain. And the first one I wasn’t crazy. My grandfather did wake me up in the middle of the night.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

The second one was the Court of Atonement works. And the third one is I can teach it and then anyone can use it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Nice, that’s awesome.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So that was the aha moment that really brought things together. And so with my mom, we did that tag back and forth. She had a dream about, so and so coming to her, she’d call me, I’m like, oh my God. I put them in a Court of Atonement yesterday, back and forth for weeks. We were getting messages from the other side that this was working.

 

Tom McCarthy

Very cool. Hey, Amy Jo, a lot of people are going, wow, this is really cool. But they’re probably still not understanding exactly what a Court of Atonement is. And I think I read, ’cause I did read your book that when the word first came to you, you know, or the concept first came to you, you’re like, what is this, right? You had to kinda research it and figure out what it was.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

I was like, what in the heck does that mean? On the very first time when it said, put them in a Court of Atonement, I stopped typing and wrote the typed in atonement.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And the more I read on atonement, the more confused I got. But then they said, just look at the word it’s at one meant. So our words are what create, what we speak about and we think about in word form as what really is working on the creative level. And the word court is basically in our understanding of it is a location where people settle disputes, right? And so, where we have to kind of go into a concept, that’s not really explainable to the human mind that in at the soul level, there’s no time and there’s no space. So everything happens at once. So when we place the two souls in a Court of Atonement, we kind of create a sacred space for them that they can discuss and negotiate but when I say discuss and negotiate, it’s like flashes of imagery. So they see and understand what happened, from the other person’s perspective.

 

Tom McCarthy

Okay.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So we’re creating the sacred space with the two souls. Basically you can discuss what happened, understand each other, what happened. And my guide Abraham says there are two components to forgiveness. The first one is understanding why it happened. And the second is accepting that answer. So I like to go to… And I was watching a movie one day and this lady’s husband is late coming home. She’s got dinner set on the table, candle lit, she’s all dressed for the night. He’s not home, so at first she’s like, “Where is he? “He’s never done this before, I’m so upset. “Where is he? “What could have happened?” She’s concerned, three hours go by. Where is that… She no longer scared for him, she’s convinced that… The past of men cheating on her has now repeated. And she’s pissed and she’s angry, angry, angry in the movie that I was watching. As soon as he comes in the door and says, “My mother died.” She goes, “Ahh, honey…” All anger, all upset, everything is gone. It no longer exists, nothing but concern for the other person. So the only thing that happened was she understood his reason and she accepted it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So when we put our souls in a Court of Atonement and we find that understanding of what happened, then we can accept it. A lot of times we find the understanding of what happened and we don’t accept it for instance, that same scenario of a woman waiting for husband to come home for dinner. What if he walked in and he goes, yeah I went for a couple of drinks with the boys. That going to get that happy? Let me reassure you honey from her. So sometimes there are events where we have to look a little deeper within ourselves to forgive. But when the Court of Atonement is really, really worked, is when the person is ready to forgive, we put that out there. And that forgiveness, that understanding what happened and accepting that.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It just creates miracles and movement.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and I love that. Well, and so we’re doing this with our mind, with intention in our mind. So, and there’s a incantation or there’s… I don’t wanna call it a script but–

 

Amy Jo Ellis

I love what you said that word because my guides use that word.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, so there’s a way to do it. Where in the boundless unlimited, not world, but you know, where spirits exist. Like you said, there is no time, there’s no space. This can happen instantly with intention in the mind. And the thing is when people are upset with each other and we’re operating with our feet in the human world, you explain to me what happened I might ahh no, that doesn’t make any sense. Here’s what here’s the way I see it. But in this boundless world where you can see pretty much everything, right? You can realize, even if someone stayed out drinking, like you said, you could probably see the hurt, the pain, you know, things that happen that cause that person to think this is the best option for me to deal with it, that we don’t see on the human level so…

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It’s wonderful that you put it that way, because that’s exactly the way I wrote it in the new book I’m gonna put out. Hopefully it’ll be out by the time people are watching this. but it’s called “The Court of Atonement Explained.” And I said, in a Court of Atonement, when we asked to resolve it at the point of origin, him deciding to go out for that drink was based on something really bad that happened at work. And he didn’t wanna bring it home to his wife.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So he and the guys went to discuss what happened. But she didn’t get that information.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So in our simple explanation, but when we go to the point of origin, it’ll go back, it’ll go back to why the bad thing happened at work. Why did that client quit them? And it’ll clear that too. So if they had a client quit them at work, that client might go, oh let me give this a other try kind of thing.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It’s really working back, back, back, back, could be because everything tags together, you know, the old tapestry explanation.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah no, I love it, I love it. And it’s all done without conscious effort too. So once you–

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yes.

 

Tom McCarthy

Once you call the Court of Atonement, you’re not sitting there and you know, looking at it. You might not even, you know, know anything that’s going on or have any experience of it. But you do have to, well, maybe you don’t have to have faith, but the way I’ve used it, I have just have the faith that you know, things are working and resolving and coming to the place where they ideally need to be.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Exactly, and you were right where you said they’re working sometimes greater things come out of discord than we ever give rise to. There was a hurricane coming that was really dangerous before the big one in Puerto Rico, before Maria, when I was there, a big one was coming to hit it. And I went into my guides and I said well, I want to stop this event from taking place. And they said, “You should only work on you. “and what it means to you because you don’t know “the benefits that destruction delivers.” And they said, “Families who haven’t spoken in years “will reach out to help each other “when they’ve lost everything.” And they said, “there’s a big coming together.” So I’m thinking about last night while we’re doing this one of the people in our group there posted quickly that there was a giant wildfire raging through Boulder, Colorado. And that it was into the towns. So I don’t know if you’ve heard about that.

 

Tom McCarthy

I did not know.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

But 600 homes burned down last night in Colorado. And so one of the ladies came into the group and she was like, when I stepped to try, had to clear it. They just said, “Ask for the highest invest for everyone. “Just ask for the highest invest, “ask to protect lives and the highest invest.” And so that was what I was guided to say.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Because those 600 people, we don’t know what’s gonna happen for them. Friends of my parents who lost their home seven years ago, live a gorgeous new home and their lives have been forever altered, but not necessarily, it was horrible to go through, but they’re in a better place than they were before.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So we have to stop looking at everything as such a tragedy and go, wow. What’s coming out of this.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, absolutely. Now I have a few are questions, but the basic script for the Court of Atonement and lots of other goodies, where can they find that script? I know you’ve got a couple websites I think, right?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yeah, courtofatonement.com so court like a court of law, C-O-U-R-T of atonement.

 

Tom McCarthy

C-O-U-R-T, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

C-O-U-R-T, thank you. Can’t spell without a pin in my hand, C-O-U-R-T Court of Atonement, A-T-O-N-E-M-E-N-T. Best if you look at it as at-one-ment, atonement returning everything back to one, restoring wholeness, basically. And so if you go to courtofatonement.com there are videos that describe how to use the process. And then I have little booklets for sale, I remained at the five dollar level.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah they’re five dollars. So they’re very affordable, yeah love it.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Using the Wrigley chew method of let’s just keep it low and go back.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

But, that teaches you how to use it. But if you go to courtofatonement.com there’s a page that’s like, I think it’s either Help or FCA Help. If you go to that, it’s gonna walk you through it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah all kinds of and so just give us this simple script, and then I want to talk a little bit more about what kind of situations can we use it for. Also I’m interested in, you know, the fact that the full name we’ll get into that in just a minute but what is the simple script that people can start using right away?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Grab your pens and write it down. And you state your name. So just I, we put a blank there. I place myself. And so you wanna use your… And you wanna say your name again, if you can that it helps us to ground who we are. So I state your name, place myself say your name into a full Court of Atonement and full is so that everybody comes in that you need. So full Court of Atonement with, and then put the person that you’re having the problems with or the dog or whatever. Place him. So, I’m gonna read it again from the beginning. I blank, place myself blank, into a full Court of Atonement with for the purpose of… And I’ll give them time to write it down for the purpose of resolving any and all conflicts between us.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Actually, there’s a little more to the statement that I missed it’s for the purpose of analyzing our timelines and resolving any and all conflicts between us at their points of origin.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So hopefully they can back this up and look at it or I’ll repeat it again.

 

Tom McCarthy

Or they can get it on the website but, I just wanted people to know how simple it is, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yeah, once you say that. So if you can think of like, think of a boyfriend or a girlfriend way back, think of somebody who didn’t like you way back in the beginning, you know? Yeah, required love is a big problem for us. It wrecks our self-esteem. So you just say, I place your name, place myself into a full Court of Atonement with and you state that person’s name. I asked to analyze our timelines and resolve any and all conflicts between us at their points of origin.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And then you just turn away from it. You don’t even think about it again. You don’t even just ahaha that was weird. That was then and you let it go. And the strangest things can happen.

 

Tom McCarthy

Is it important to have any strong intent or belief in the process for it to work or does it work sometimes? Just..

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Let me ask my guides. Let me go in for just a second.

 

Tom McCarthy

Okay.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

They say it’s almost better to be whimsical about it. And haha whatever, because when we go in with this intention that this is we’re gonna do, this is we’re going in hands closed. This is gonna work, this has gotta be. And what it takes is a wallah, abracadabra kind of movement to it. If this works great, if this doesn’t work fine, if you slow them out like that it just, it leaves the gate open for without resistance.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, if someone’s using it with a particular person, is it helpful to do it more than once?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Not on the exact same subject.

 

Tom McCarthy

Okay.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

‘Cause once you do it, it’s just kind of going.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And when we start, I call it spiritually bullying somebody. So, if I’m sitting there going honey, take out the trash and he says okay, I’ll get to it. If I just walk back through and go, you didn’t take out the trash. He goes, hey! You know, and you get this explosion of energy, whereas when you’re just patient, and then maybe the next day you take out the trash thing if they didn’t rather than being the nag. So spiritually bullying, so you can put yourself in a Court of Atonement to resolve the conflicts between you, because you had this argument at breakfast, but then you can go, I’m gonna place myself with him in a Court of 

 

Atonement back in you know, 1993 when he and I got in that argument and I place see 1993 in the Court of Atonement to resolve that conflict. So you can take a different approach. So it’s not spiritually bullying.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, good. I love it, I love it. And you can place several people into a Court of Atonement. Like you talked about, you know, all family members, into a Court of Atonement for…

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Everybody you work with.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah people you work with, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

All right.

 

Tom McCarthy

And what are other situations? I know you can, and you’ve got books on this like for blocks for prosperity, right? You can hear those with a Court of Atonement healing.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

The book that is called “Making Peace With Money” it takes an approach that our ancestors’ stuff gets brought down to us.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so we’re putting ourselves in a Court of Atonement with the entirety of the family lineages, for any and all reasons, we don’t allow ourselves to have money.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

We don’t permit ourselves to have money. There’s a difference between permit and allow for reasons that we are afraid to have large amounts of money and it goes, it cuts it down into like a hundred different, little steps that you just walk through and people go holy cow, with the way that their lives change after reading that book. So yeah my son, I gave it to him to like proofread it to me. And he read it with his girlfriend who was struggling for money and I asked him, I said, did you ever read that little booklet I gave you? And he goes, “Oh yeah, I read it with so and so,” and he goes, “Oh my gosh, a couple days after she did that. “She got a call back from a job that she had gone “and she didn’t get the job, but it was her dream job. “And they fired the other person and hired her.”

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, wow.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so he said that really worked for her and he goes, “I got a four dollar raise while I wasn’t even working.” He was on the down season. He works on a seasonal job and they sent him an email saying, “We’re giving you a four dollar an hour raise “when you come back.”

 

Tom McCarthy

Nice, nice, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so I did get to see it firsthand, make a huge difference for people and that was great.

 

Tom McCarthy

The other thing that was interesting for me when I was reading your book was that you said you can use it to make peace with your name too. And so, my first name is Thomas. I go by Tom, but it’s Thomas. My middle name was Gerard. And I never really liked that name. You know Gerard, I thought it was like, my brother’s would call me Jerry and you know, things like that. And so I’ve never really used it. And I would you know, a little bit, you know as a kid, like a little bit embarrassed by it ’cause like an older name came from Saint Gerard, but I actually did your process full Court of Atonement myself with my name. And now I have no problem with it. Like, and it was such a silly thing anyways, but.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It makes such a difference though. When you say the name, you’re no longer triggered with those negative energies that were associated with it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

My middle name is Josefa and I am Amy Josefa and I people teased me mercilessly in school Josefa, Joseph, Joseph aha. And that is what it is. I too am named after a Saint, I’m named after St. Joseph. And my aunt is a nun and she was Sister Josefa. So they gave me Josefa and it’s beautiful name. I recognize how beautiful it is now. And I couldn’t before I did the Court of Atonement to it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. Well, and you wrote something in there about, the vibration of your name, you know, how it’s unique to you and that was a reason that… And I kinda said, all right, I need to make peace with my middle name, right. Because it’s that signature, that vibrational signature of who I am.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Right, have you ever tried to go to the hospital and sign in without, with the wrong name? I’ve done it all the time ’cause I’ve got two last names Gratitude of living in Puerto Rico. They put me by back to my maiden name. So now I have two names. I go to the hospital and I say, hey, Amy Jo Ellis. And they go, “Well you’re not here. “We don’t have your file.” I’m like oh, wait I’m Amy Jo Richards. And they go, “Oh yeah, we’ve got that.” And so, if you’re connecting, if it’s connecting to us, I don’t like to use the term Akashic Record, but it’s really well known. So if it’s connecting us to Akashic Record, you can’t walk up and say I’m Amy Ellis, they go, “What else?” That doesn’t compute there’s seven billion of those in here. And they want that thing. They want that they want that whole name. And so it was very interesting, quite an education to me at how important our names are.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And my son said, do you wanna know, why do you need to use your middle name? Just Google your first and last name, see what happens.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah well, and even use your maiden name too, right?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yeah.

 

Tom McCarthy

For women when you’re doing the calling a full Court of Atonement, you use your first middle maiden and then last name.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yes.

 

Tom McCarthy

And then, for males that are you know, you even if you’re married, obviously I don’t have a maiden name, but it’s just still first middle last name.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And it would be fine to add your maiden name, ’cause you’d start picking up her family lineages when you’re saying it.

 

Tom McCarthy

Oh, add my mother’s name.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

You could put your wife, okay.

 

Tom McCarthy

Interesting, all right yeah, wow.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

You can put your mother’s maiden name in there as well.

 

Tom McCarthy

Okay, interesting.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Pick up but when we say family lineages, the intention is to go in all directions.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, beautiful.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so they always say family lineages and people are like, “Why do you say family lineages?” And I’m like well, because actually that’s the way it’s coming through. And for me, like a feeling of truth for me, is everything moves with flow. And if I try I to change something, that’s out flow. I feel nauseous instantly

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so when I tried to not say lineages, it was like ooh that’s…

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Have that S on there and so then when I asked, they said, “It’s because you have so many lineages, “you don’t have one.”

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

There they go, you divide back, back, bach, back. I think it’s only like six grandparents back. There’s 64 of them across.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, absolutely.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

It’s like, oh wow.

 

Tom McCarthy

Well, and the great thing about, this beautiful tool you’ve created is that you you’re really delegating a lot of the work, right. You know, you’ve got this full Court of Atonement this in the spiritual realm that you can I mean, you just you do the incantation and then all of a sudden it’s like, hey, help me out please. And you just let it go, which is really cool. It’s not like you have to work on it every second of the day.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

No, you’re it’s yeah delegating. And the thing is there’s so much stuff left behind.

 

Tom McCarthy

Oh yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

If you wanna talk about, let’s go in and talk about spirits for a minute that they always talk about, they had unfinished business. They can’t finish it for themselves.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

They get assigned to a person with a similar issue and then they become a guide, and once they guide you through resolving it, then their issue is resolved. But some of this stuff doesn’t even come up as something that they’re gonna be guided three plus how long is the list of things they’re working on?

 

Tom McCarthy

Sure.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Anyhow, from what I see is that when you work on your ancestors you, they can’t fix it for themselves. Their opportunity to fix it is while they’re alive on earth. Then they have to go through the proper channels to try to fix it. So if they have regrets, this fixes the regrets.

 

Tom McCarthy

Nice you can work with…

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yeah, so we speak our grandparents and asked to analyze their timeline.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

I created what I call a speed call, which is I wrote a whole bunch of things that I would have done. And then I said, activate all of these processes when I just say for the purpose of requesting transcendence assistance. So it pretty much says it all. I’m gonna put this person in a Court of Atonement. So if you think about someone you love that’s died, I state your name, place them, say their name into a full Court of Atonement for the purpose of requesting transcendence assistance. It’s gonna help them resolve those unresolved issues.

 

Tom McCarthy

Nice, yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so like I said, we are using my intention for this is to use it, to help clean some of these more detrimental energies that are just piling up here on the earth plane, because they can’t take care of it themselves.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, and when you clean it in your ancestors, then you clean it you know, throughout moving forward lineage too clean yourself, which is really powerful.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Clearing for yourself is clearing for your descendants.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, beautiful. Such powerful work. So, Amy where can people find your work again and buy your books? The books are five dollars they’re downloads. They’re really inexpensive. And they’ve got lots of… Show you lots of different things that you can clear. And then I know you’ve got a ton of videos and things that people need too.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

So yeah, I’m on YouTube, courtofatonement.com it has everything for sale there. Everything’s kinda lined out on that page. So they can find the books on courtofatonement.com I have lots of like classes that are available, that are for sale on there as well. But just start with the book, it’s the simple this thing to do.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

And so the first book is called “Healing Your Family Tree Using the Court of Atonement.”

 

Tom McCarthy

Love it, yeah. And such a powerful thing to do, you know, before every gathering, you can just do it and things will be a little bit smoother. People get along a little bit better. Yeah, you know, just such a wonderful thing to be able to do for yourself, but also for other people, I know there’s ways to do it with your body. Like you know, bring your body in for healing, Court of Atonement prosperity, just so many different uses for this. So thank you so much for channeling it through to all of us. It’s really been a gift.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

The only thing I did was put it for sale.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

The biggest thing I did was go, hey, there’s some value to it. I’ll put it, and then all of a sudden, it just took off on its own.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s wonderful.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

I advertised it once and it’s sold thousands of copies. Now, it’s been translated into full four different languages and it’s been sold in a hundred and I think it’s 142 countries. I don’t know how many there are, but we’re almost there.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah that’s amazing.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Yeah, it’s like what?

 

Tom McCarthy

That’s amazing. Well, it’s been so great having you on. And I know even just in what you’ve shared people now have a new awareness and they’re gonna be able to do some really amazing things in their life. Thank you so much for being with us. Any final words for all the people that have watched you here today?

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Sure, the thing to think about is that this is the… I wanna put it in a nutshell and say, this is, we are placing two soul in a sacred space to hash it out and come to an agreement and it’s done. It’s done at the sole level. You don’t know anything about it. ‘Cause people are like well, shouldn’t I thought of something, shouldn’t I have? How do I know? Just let it go. Just put it out there and know that it worked.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, I love that. I love that, you are amazing. Thank you so much, Amy Jo. And I look forward to seeing you hopefully again, in the future.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Oh, I would love to come back. This was really fun, thank you so much.

 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

 

Amy Jo Ellis

Right, what an honor to be asked. Thank you very much.