Rescue Peptides Augmenting Mitochondrial Voltage, Fuel and Oxygen Levels.

Kent Holtorf, M

Yeah, it’s, I’m amazed as looking through all your stuff and I’ve been a proponent of, you know, basically mitochondrial dysfunction and give lectures on it even with, you know, hypothyroidism you know, mitochondria’s function causes hypothyroidism that looks normal on the blood test but there’s a little bit about Dr. Raja, he’s an innovative board-certified otolaryngologist for almost twenty-five years, specializing in minimally invasive sinus ventilation procedures.

He’s self-proclaimed medical device geek and has helped to design many the tools that he uses as office in Orlando, Tampa and West Palm beach, Florida. Dr Raja has bee red pilled i.e. The matrix take the red pill. He can’t go back into mitochondrial medicine as a result of caring for younger and younger patients suffering from autoimmunity, chronic fatigue syndrome, biotoxin illness, mold and neurodegeneration which I totally agree with the mitochondrial picture. And it becomes a vicious cycle. When you have low mitochondria that, you know, your hypothalamus doesn’t work, your immune system doesn’t work. So then you get chronic infections and that makes mitochondria worse, and you actually have stress. It makes it worse. So just goes around and around and, and gets worse. And then cell danger response.

And so just pumps out all this oxidative stress and people are in trouble. And you got to try to unwind that, but fixing the mitochondria is very key. He understands it all chronic disease stems from having a lack of mitochondria voltage and consider myself fortunate to be involved in mitochondrial rescue for the second half of his medical career excuse me, but it got a rescue couples proprietary, mitochondrial neuropeptide therapy, and advanced scientific research to fall the improvement in patients and their outcomes at an excellent value. He’s always been solution oriented and is grateful to be able to offer the mitochondria rescue program to like-minded practitioners,uwith his full support. So there’s a lot of training and really, you know, shows you how some, you know, one key aspect that I don’t know if anyone’s teaching on mitochondria, you know, really what to do.

 

We have some, you know, standard mitochondrial peptides which we like a lot, but he has a way that really talk about cost-effective andwe won’t I won’t give it up yet, but it’s you I’m sure you’ve seen it, but he didn’t know it was a peptide and so somebody has wearables as a, which I’m looking forward to hearing about also advanced heart rate variability training. And I’ll talk about, you know, why that correlates with mitochondria and which is pleased offer on a complimentary basis. So I’m looking forward to this learning some, some cool new things, and I appreciate you being on.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Thank you. Right. So the concept is that chronic inflammation is the cause of all disease and it robs you of power and the voltage that we have in our body, which is greater than a lightning bolt, 250 million volts, actually at a minimum. Yeah, yeah, it can go down. And if you lose power, you think about your cell phone, right? You have a certain decay rate when your battery ages a bit, and as the older you get, once it gets 75% discharged, it just dumps it can’t run all the programs. So it’s very similar and mitochondria are like a smartphone battery and your smartphone, they make up about 10 to 15% of your body weight. So it’s very similar. So what we like to do with our program is we like to determine your Mito profile. We like to know what your Mito reserve is like, you know, what your Mito decay is. And because we’re so confident in our peptide therapy, we know that we could raise your reserve and slow down your decay, and we can give you the tools to measure it for yourself as well as for your clients.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

That’s huge because I’ve been looking for a good mitochondrial test, I don’t know, for decades you know, there’s Mito swab. I haven’t found that, that, he’s what, what’s your thought on that test?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I, you know, there’s so many and the organic acids and, you know, mitochondria represents energy. So we, I am interested in more energetic measurements to tell you the truth. And I use a lot of diagnostic and therapeutic energies in my career as a surgical subspecialist. So I’m very comfortable with it. And now that we’re in the era of a BYOD world, bring your own device world I do think that there’s an opportunity coupled with where telemedicine is heading. It’s not really going back in my opinion we can connect the patients with their biofeedback data and talk about their metabolism and give them therapies that they could do at home. Perhaps, you know, some of our dietary peptides and make a really huge impact in a way that I don’t think really been done before.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Well, that’s just to differentiate what you’re saying, energetic testing. Most people think of like, you know, where, you know, taking your arm and that like energetic. So that’s totally not what you’re, you’re saying. Right.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

You know, I just want to put my hat on. As a ENT, I went, I’ve been through six cycles of revolutionary technology in my 25 years as an ENT. And on the diagnostic side, we do hearing tests. We do advanced infrared balanced tests. We do audit auditory, brainstem studies. We do recurrent laryngeal nerve monitoring. When we do our neck surgery, we do facial nerve monitoring. We do electromagnetic image guidance for sinus surgery. And on the therapeutic side, we used all kinds of heat, laser infrared, radio frequency ablation. And then we ended up using cryoablation. And right now we’re using high pressure balloons to do the work that we do. And that is what I would describe as, as energetic treatments. And when you talk about mitochondria, really what we’re talking about is their fuel. Okay. Which is, are they burning carbs or are they burning fats?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Cause you know, if you’re burning fats, you’re making four to five times more energy. And we feel that our peptide makes fasting and going ketogenic, including the mood that you would get much easier. Okay. And of course our food is our electrons. Okay. We get them from sun, we get them from mother earth, but those are the voltage. Okay. And so we can measure that. I mean, it is a electrical measurement heart rate variability is, and because the bandwidth of our device is so high, we get measurements and others don’t, but that doesn’t mean that more commercially available instruments are not worthy of our analysis. So that’s voltage. Okay. And of course, oxygen levels, you know, in this COVID pandemic world that’s a big deal with all the cytokines and not being able to hold onto your oxygen to the hemoglobin and you know, so that the oxygen levels and we have advanced oxygen monitoring devices that are coming out as well. So there’s a packet of energetic measurements that are a more advanced that you might have to go to the doctor and have them do, but there’s also a packet of things in your stable BYOD that you can do at home and relate to your doctor there. So you know, if you have an effective therapy and if you’re not if you’re really not concerned that maybe your therapy doesn’t work, or maybe you want to see how additive would you guys already dowhen you add our peptides I think you know, this might be the right program for you and the training. Isn’t all that difficult. It was meant to be a weekend course. So it’s not, it’s not like a big modular,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

That’s nice because it makes it easy and it sounds affordable, affordable for patients. You know, you’ve got some great device, but if it costs a hundred thousand dollars, you know, it’s, you got to charge so much to try to get your money back in 10 years so you got a worthy cause and it really, you know, sounds like your Big goal is to help patients and help doctors help patients, you know, so that’s, that’s awesome. And I think it is such a problem now. I mean, you know, I know 20 years ago, 10 years ago you know, people weren’t as sick. It seems like everyone’s sick either they’re sick or their family member, like you’re at a cocktail party. And I was like, Oh my God, I’m so it feels so bad to know, or my sister has got this, what do you know? I think we’re getting, you know, there’s so much toxins and stress, you know, EMF’s and pesticides and all these things. And I think our care’s becoming so cookie cutter and yeah. Do you think Kaiser’s looking at mitochondria, you knowthat it’s just having, you know, a huge problem and, you know, lifespans going down for the first timeand neurodegenerative diseases and things like that. So we’ll, we’ll get into all that. Are you doing I think your depth, some research that you’re starting or in the middle of?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We have a long track record of product specific advanced research through three different medical universities from the part of the world where this comes from. And you knowwe, first of all, we proved that our particular peptide has a intracellular concentration that is amazing in terms of the bio availability. And we also have proven that it can not be broken down by the only enzyme that breaks down this peptide therapy, even though it’s only two amino acids so that’s the main manufacturing proprietary IP.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Do you want to tell them what it is?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Sure. It’s, Karnozin Extra and the product line is called mitochondrial rescue and so it does not get broken down by carnosinase . So that means you can have bid dosing if you have a big state corn meat, right. That’s where it traditionally has come from historically, although this is a vegan and vegetarian it’ll last maybe a year and a half, and you won’t get nearly as much into the cell as you can with our product. So you regenerate faster than your normal years of age would allow you to is basically what happens because the carnosine is so plea atrophic, but we did a lot of our research on MS because the country of origin you know, they thought that it would be good for the brain because energy in the brain is basically everything. And they gave it to some of their patients who had MS and they were getting phone calls, Hey, this is getting better. So they went to their government and they say, can I have a grant? And that’s how their MS studies became born. So they presented in Dubai, they presented in London and we have a human studies. We have rat studies, we have functional MRI studies that basically show that it slows down the rate of the myelination in an animal model. It protects the blood-brain barrier, and it actually acts like a brain growth factor in culture. We had a 28 patient study that showed that they had more energy, less pain, less fatigue, and they were overall much happier after just, I think it was three months of therapy at the sweet spot dose of six capsules a day. Cause this is not an injectable, this is oral and it’s made from food and your body makes it yourself.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Three milligrams is that?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

It’s 125. And we have.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

in a capsule?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

in a capsule, but it also has a cocuten vitamin E bilberry, Grapeseed you know, some other things in it. But really it’s the massive bioavailability. We have a big metabolic study coming out this year, very big where we’re going to be doing rats, humans, and mice. And it’s going to be insulin cholesterol, leptin antioxidative potential and glucose over a four month study. And we’re actually going head to head against Metformin and Lipitor.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Wow, actually, wow. That’s amazing. You know, on these studies aren’t cheap. So, you know, your money where your mouth is,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Research dollar goes a lot further where we are. And what I can tell you so far with that study is that in in the rats, the oral glucose tolerance test showed a very, very rapid return to baseline glucose levels after being given Karnozin Extra, as compared to the control but they don’t allow me to say too much, it’s going to be a pretty exciting study. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. Because once you come out as a supplement, you can’t make a claim. So it’s really hard to, if you do the study on your product, you can say that. Yeah,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Exactly. And, and so, right. I understand that. And we’re, we’re not claiming to cure anything. All we’re trying to do is improve people’s metabolism and shake the rust off their mitochondria, their oxidative stress, and maybe patch some holes in our leaky mitochondria, you know, because our exposome of the modern world is basically causing our mitochondria to leak and to rust, and we need to be able to stop that. Okay. And how about the energies that we’re going to be exposed to with 5g and whatnot? No one really talks about it, right? That’s oxidative stress. That’s the mitochondrial theory of aging. That’s the electrons going the wrong way and frying the naked mitochondria in the cytoplasm. So we’re very good for that to actually.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Could prevent that because yeah, what they’re finding with the EMF’s. So I started doing research and I couldn’t believe the research on the harmful effects and, you know, it increases [inaudible] that causes the voltage gated calcium channels to open up which are associated with neurodegenerative diseases, autism, migraine, POTS , chronic fatigue syndrome. And if, if you happen to have a genetic defect where it’s not really a defect, but a SNP where it’s just, it’s not quite perfect, that you may be okay until you get a physiologic stress until you get some trauma or stress or something else and our EMF’s, and then now your voltage gate starts letting all this calcium in or palpitations huge, you know, in the heart. And that’s, you’ll find a lot of our patients will understand that, you know, they get palpitations all the time and I tell them, turn off your EMF, you know, your, your Wi-Fi especially at night and they’re, Oh my God, my palpitations so much better, you know?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. I mean, let’s say you’re a mold patient. Okay. I mean, mold grows 600 times faster in a wifi environment, right. And so that’s the chronic inflammation. You, you reach a tipping point and it becomes a real problem and it’s a modern problem. But we, we believe we have solutions. I mean, we keep the mitochondria pH in, in, at a good level because carnosine represents one third of the buffering capacity of your body. We crank up the function of the electron transport chain. We of course would then produce more ATP. And finally we keep the that pores we’re learning more about, thanks to the different types of cryo electron microscopy and the different advanced microscopic techniques that we have. We keep the pores intact and we prevent the mitochondria from swelling as well. So, and we’re very good with those voltage gated calcium channels. So it’s easy to talk about Karnozin Extra, frankly. It’s just that you risk sounding like a snake oil salesman because you’re so upstream with the mitochondria. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And I, we have the same thing when I talked about BPC, the 137, it’s like, what helps this helps that, that one’s like, yeah, it’s like snake oil. Why and how could it help everything? You know, because it’s like the carnosine, it’s helping every cell and every system, you know let’s, that’s amazing now carnosine versus carnitine, right? So it’s

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So carnitine, you know, it has the same prefix, so it comes from meat, but that helps with beta oxidation of fatty acids. So we actually do have a little bit of carnitine in our product too. I failed to mention that. So let’s talk about fat-burning. So we know with our HRV our balanced HRV device, that you need to have a normal power. You need to have a normal percentage of very low frequency energy in order to participate in beta oxidation. So you can use a wearable device or a breathable device in this instance, or you can have an advanced HRV done at an office, or you could have something done in your own home nowadays, because our bandwidth is 2000 Hertz, but the device that we recommend is 500 Hertz. And I have a nice dashboard set up. I’ve been very, very impressed. And as much as people want to talk about insulin resistance and glycation actually I would say that mitochondrial dysfunction occurs before even insulin resistance occurs. So you’re kind of leapfrogging. Okay. Instead of just looking for glucose floating around and having attached to your hemoglobin or even see heart already discovering insulin resistance, I think if you can discover mitochondrial dysfunction, you’re, you’re a step ahead.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. I mean, you know, the drugs out, when you look at drugs, like you know, the you know, basically, you know, basically poison the kidneys, so they just dump sugar into the urine. Like, is that fixing anything, you know? Yeah. It’s going to lower your sugar, but you’re not, you’re not fixing the problem at all, you know? So that’s, that’s great. So, and you have a number of products in the pipeline you’re working on. It sounds like you’re kinda just constantly doing research and developing, and yes,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We have a big product that’s going to be coming underneath our distribution and it’s called creagatine. And it’s probably going to change the face of creatine. As we know that we have a three country six months study that started last month on sarcopenia and frailty and these bioenergetics, these supplements really not just help muscle as a fitness supplement but they also really help the brain. And because you’re putting a precursor of the creatine in it the bioenergetics are just massive. So you don’t have non-responders anymore. You don’t have the water weight that you want. it’s much more effective overall. The dose can be lower. so we have a lot of IP attached to our products. And this particular one is a study by Dr. [inaudible] who’s who’s very well known in the creatine world and in the bioenergetics world. And so we’re very happy to have him, and we’re very excited about that product. And we believe the corner scene with the creatine is going to be through the roof, helping people in ways. That’s our business.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

You mentioned frailty, and it’s a killer, you know, and people get older and they really die of being frail. You know, they’ll end up dying of whatever heart failure, you know, they break a hip and then they, you know, bed bound and there, then they get pneumonia. So, but that’s the big thing is keep from being coming frail. And, you know, basically you just have, you know, the way standard medicine is, yeah, we might live longer, but it’s terrible quality of life. But if you prevent those things, then you know, you have a great quality of life for much longer. And that’s the key who wants to be a nursing home and, you know, with dementia and, you know, basically in and out. So that’s, that’s amazing stuff. So how is your carnosine different than let’s say, what would you get that health, food store or whatever.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So we know compared to pure L-carnosine and L-carnosine that our uh our product is not broken down by corner cynase that is the main enzyme that breaks down carnosine. And so it breaks down into beta alanine and El histamine. So if you don’t do that, and you can prove pharmaco kinetics studies and UV spectroscopy and intracellular concentrations to show that the other products are not like our product. But the only thing I can tell you about our secret sauce is that it’s a proprietary manufacturing technology.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Does it have isomers?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So I don’t think so. And it’s not just raw material production with the ingredients, like a chef. I, and it’s not, lyposomal, that’s way better than lyposomal. But you know, I just, honestly, I don’t even know myself. I just look at the studies and I see the effects, the results. So

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Because yeah, we did so much research on peptides and, you know, bioavailability and breaking down, and there’s, it’s interesting. There’s a lot of ways to do it, but trying to really do it is a lot harder than, you know, they say in the research, it’s like, you know, and you have to, you, you have to get, you know, basic contract people to do it and, you know so it’s tough and it gets expensive. So but it sounds like you have something that that’s really, really different effective. So let’s see. Wait, what, so how about the, the heart rate variability? Like, so what, what are you doing with that? And again, like how, what, what does that really show a doctor or a patient?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Sofor right now, a lot of professional athletes are using heart rate variability to see what their readiness is, where the recovery is. And, you know, even the aura ring, those kinds of devices are very low bandwidth and they work by the Photoplethysmography the infrared light, and they tend to be 150 to 250 Hertz, our device is 2000 Hertz. And it’s just hooked up to a laptop. And you just have some electrodes that you put on four lens. And you just sit there for five minutes, but because it’s so high bandwidth, when you’re studying the, for those of you who are unfamiliar the R to R waves of the EKGB actually 12,000 bits per second, that could compress into 2000, you put it in some 48 transformations and you apply it to a seven zero age and gender match database. You get an incredible one-page report that kind of tells you what your bioenergetics are. So it tells you your total power. It tells you how much of that power is being distributed in parasympathetic versus sympathetic versus what’s called very low frequency. And that would be higher order functions like cerebral communications, hormones, immune function, things of that nature, our particular high bandwidth device, there’s just a stress index. Okay. So that’s your oxidative stress index, the oxidative free radical theory of aging, right? So that’s your mitochondrial, that’s, that’s your mitochondrial leakiness. Okay. So it measures a stress index and it also measures something called your index centralization, which is your hypothalamus, your mass stir conductor. So we see some patterns that are fairly common in today’s world, and we could talk about it for hours, but most people are stressed out, low power brain on fire hypothalamus way on fire, very sympathetic dominant.

 

Okay. And a lot of our younger peopleI’m talking about in their twenties,they are burned out, you know, they don’t have any hypothermic function. They’re very low power and they can even Mount the stress response. And I think it’s very sad, you know, I, I believe it to be a very important non-invasive biomarker maybe the most important that I’ve seen. You get a lot of information. I mean, if you could measure energy from galaxies away, why would it be so hard for us to be able to measure energy that our own body is emitting to give us information, to examine it

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. For the lay person, like, so what is heart rate variability usually use for? And it’s amazing that the information you’re able to derive from your device.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So it usually it would be is your parasympathetic balance to your sympathetic. And that would be, are you ready? Okay. Let’s say you work out and you are not so recovered. You will show that when you pick up in the morning and they actually have HRV scores that are attached to these devices that are more commercially available, ours is more like a scientific research device, but the kind of data I’m getting from my patients are more what’s out there. You know we have a world champion that, that just has on our Karnozin Extra. He won the world trial championship, six hours cycling 50 year old, he did a hundred, almost 140 miles. And he said he didn’t have any lactic acidosis or anything. So we followed his HRV. And so it’s very common. Yeah. I mean, we don’t have that many athletes that we tend to stick with the sick people, but certainly it’s good for fitness and antiaging. So it’s, we’re in the fitness world is what you would hear about, are you recovered? Are you not recovered? A lot of athletes end up being over-trained and that’s what you see out there. Now

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

More of that now I make sure I’m not overtrained and I’ve worked out religiously every four months for eight minutes, but so, you know, rain or shine, I’m doing it. But yeah, we get, you know, these people that are, you know, tip top shape, or you look at, you know determine their like DNA age or cell your age, and they’re older than average, you know, and, but they look great and all this stuff, and you mentioned stress too. It’s like, I’m thinking like growing up, like, you know, the stress of growing up, it wasn’t even kind of a pecking order where you think you are and all this where now it’s like, and we would, you know, we’d have computers, you’d send a letter, wait a week. And you know, now it’s like, everything’s instantaneous and there’s traffic and Facebook and you gotta have so many likes to be, you know, popular and it’s just overload, you know? Yeah,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. There there’s always papers coming out about Karnozin Extra. There is one that just came out a couple of months ago that shed that when you’re on it, it gives you a better demeanor and that’s the first thing you notice,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Hey, I’m going to get some have in my pocket for people here, take this.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

It’s a taught me. Non-Native DMS are a big deal. Right. That’s a, you knowwhen you’re EMF, you have a billion fold increase in paradoxy nitrite, which is a, a non oxidant radical, but it breaks down into the hydroxyl radical and into the nitric Oxide, the species. Yeah. So that’s bad. So we can fight that cause we have really good antioxidant potential. And like I said, it’s a very good, heavy metal key later that crosses the blood-brain barrier. It actually cuts down on aisle eight. Yes. It inhibits glycation. And it’s like a Pac-Man it gets rid of those rogue electrons and get rid of carbonyl groups. And aldehyde groups, if you have proteins that have things attached to it, it removes whatever’s attached to it like a glycated protein, like an advanced glycated end product. And

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. So it’s yeah. So it seems to hit so many areas.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

That it that’s what I’m saying. So it’s not just mitochondria. It’s just that it’s so clear. Prolific what’s good for the mitochondria is good for the cell is good for the cells. Good for the tissue. It’s good for the tissue is good for the organ was good for the organ is good for the human. Right. So and what’s good for the cell is going to be good for the mitochondria. If it’s one-third of the buffering capacity of yourself, it’s going to be good to buffer your mitochondria too. And if it’s a brain growth factor, you know, and if it reduces ILA and it helps with calcium. So we’re, we’re very happy to have it. And, you know, we see a lot of.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Oh, forget it. It does too many things. I don’t believe it. Yeah.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I know. We concentrate on Neurodegenerative side, but the other pattern that we see with our HIV, with the young children, that’s a very close to my heart. I really do. I think it’s a shame that you know, seven and a half and a percent, and even greater of all American children are born with some kind of developmental disorder. I think that’s just a crime, so we can help with that. And a lot of times we see big changes in the VLF with our HRV and you know, we’re not claiming to cure anything. We’re just trying to improve outcomes and help people overcome your challenges and just using your biofeedback data and just in food to, to help them. But, so we have lots of cases all over the world,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

But that’s nice. Cause you know, like these, you know, parents of autistic kids, I mean, it is so you know, difficult this, then their stress is just like crazy, you know?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. Yup.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. But yeah. Did I mention, so I did a review article on thyroid transport and you know, saying that anyone with chronic illness really is low thyroid and here’s just a page in it. And so with references like every, you know, these are not every condition, but conditions that have Mito, they’re documented, mitochondrial dysfunction includes diabetes, obesity, chronic and acute dieting, depression, anxiety, bipolar neurodegenerative diseases, just the fact aging, chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia people with migraines, chronic infection, physiologic, stress and anxiety, cardiovascular disease, inflammation, and chronic illness high cholesterol, high triglycerides and talking about the old standard blood tests look normal, but it’s all because thyroid is transported in the cell, the act of transfer, which needs mitochondrial function. But so all these people are low mitochondria. And so, you know, you say all the problems, another problem is they’re all basically up cellular hypothyroidism. The thyroid’s low in the cell, which makes mitochondria worse. And then the virus can’t get in into the blood, into the cell more so everything’s a vicious.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. They’re low voltage, right? Chronic inflammation taps your voltage. There’s over 2300 studies on carnosine. We encourage people to go to karnopedia.com with a K. K-A-R-N-O-P-E-D-I-A. We have it listed by all of those different things. Those are all approved pub med type of research articles that are already out there. It’s just that ours are so much more potent than any other. And that’s what makes ours so special. Everything’s chronic inflammation. Okay. That’s the concept and it robs you of your voltage and frankly,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

and then it causes more inflammation because of mitochondria messed up.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Of course, the only reason we breathe oxygen is to give it to our mitochondria. There’s really literally no other reason. We need a final electron acceptor to make our structured water and to have the ATP then be produced. Or how about this? Sometimes your mitochondria need to be rescued not to produce more ATP, but to go away like you were talking about before. So danger response by autophagy apoptosis. You guys talk about it a lot in your peptide world. So we, we did a MCF seven cell culture study human metastatic breast cancer. And we know that in those cells, it’s, you know, it’s in vitro. We can shut down complex two and complex four, and we’ve measured it with our Karnozin Extra. So sometimes in order for you to be rescued it, your mitochondria need to go away. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. So the cells that they hang around, they will end up energy to die and they’re programmed die, you know, and then move on and you get healthy yourselves. Now they start getting dysfunctional. But when they don’t go through popptosis, as they’re supposed to, I don’t have not energy. Then that’s when they turn into cancer, they cause all the, you know, basically increase inflammation and all those problems. So you give them the energy to do what they’re supposed to do, which is to go away.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right? If you talk about the Warburg type of metabolism, the so-called aerobicglycolysis, that’s a runaway train. It’s just the machinery that your cancer set. And I believe cancer is a metabolic disease. I don’t think I’ll never not leave that. And so if if you’re just making to make, and it’s not even energetically feasible, you’re not subject to any signaling molecules. So you need to wake up those mitochondria to say, Hey, wait a minute. I didn’t pay attention to all those signaling mop. Is it telling me to stop? Oh, I have to go away now.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. And when you said that, it reminds me of I’m picturing a graph from a study on chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia or above that they basically exercised and where they went into anaerobic metabolism was so much earlier than normals. You know, it’s, their mitochondria just couldn’t keep up. And so they went from, you know, basically burning fats to having to burn the emergency glucose very quickly. And I just, it makes me also think of, you know, I’ve sent reports, you know, showing that and the disability people go, Oh, you can pick up three pounds. Okay. You can work, you know, and it just, it’s, it’s crazy. But you know, and I just love your background and your passion for all these medical devices. Sowhat types of things are you, are you doing in that arena?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So we’re trying to build a software based platform so that patients can maybe spend $600 and get two or three devices. We can measure their mitochondria voltage with with that 500 Hertz core sensor lead, HRV is the name of the device. And you can also get an oxygen monitoring device that we believe through a pretty major company Maximo it’s called the oxygen reserve index and we’re pretty sure. We looked at the advanced physiology that it probably represents mitochondrial partial pressure of oxygen. So that’s the oxygen. Okay. And finally we have this device called lumen that just came out that I don’t like sticking my finger. Okay. So you blow into it disagreeable. It has an advanced CO2, acoustic gas analyzer that shows you how much CO2 you’re emitting. And I’ve looked at the studies very carefully and I’ve matched it with the keto mojo. And I don’t like sticking my finger and it tells you whether you’re burning fat or carbs. So if you put those three together, now you’re measuring mitochondrial voltage, oxygen and fuel levels. Okay. And if you stack say ketogenic lifestyle with our Karnozin Extra and some of our other products, and perhaps you go in my hyperbaric chamber I think you, and you do some electroceuticals like scalar energy electroceuticals I have a lot of devices.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I love that term.I have not heard that term. I love it.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So electroceuticals stack micronutrient stack, ketogenic stack. You know, those are the kinds of things with, with ability to measure the results. So that if you want to prove that, Hey, you know, we can prove it, you know, are you listening? Right. We can prove it, but are you listening? So I think to get doctors to be more open to this kind of thing, to get them to leave their silo is also part of the messaging we’re trying to come across. And,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

You know, and I’m going to give you a call because moratorium on my buying toys is my accountants. I was like buying stuff and that would never come. I’m getting mad. They didn’t tell me they canceled everything. They’re like, you’re buying too many too, too many things, you know?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I have a lot to myself. I don’t mind, I like it. I enjoy it. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And it sounds like they’re reasonably priced, you know? So I, I do worry about you for one reason.You’re bringing out these devices that are very cost-effective, you’re going to piss some people off. And so you better have like a security guard. You may end up, you may end up in a weird, Oh, strange death, you know? So

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

No, we do watch out for it. It’s I think we are in the age of disruption and we also need good solutions that are very cost-effective. I mean, you know, so for our MS Patients, you could be treated for a full year, all different stages around $2,000 for a year. Okay. And get results and

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

You know, costs that per month and they don’t even work.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. Objection. Right. So we know that, you know, we know we’re just trying to improve outcomes. We know that we can help overcome challenges and it has to be affordable. It has to be accessible. It has to be measurable and.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I don’t see Apple and these other things saying that in a board meeting, it has to be affordable. You know,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right now they’re busy trying to, they’re trying to steal your health data right now out, frankly. Right. We want to give it back to you and give you solutions at the same time,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Different model. Yeah. They want your information. That’s interesting. Yeah. So what, what wearables do do you have, or coming up with?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

It would be the lumen. It would be the Corsense HRV. And it would be the Maximo safety net. The latest version that they have in the EU. Those are the three, but frankly you’ve got a regular [inaudbile]. Right. Because even your posts, your O2 sat will go up with the kind of therapy that we’re presenting. If you have that kind of problem, then the more red.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And are those available?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. They’re out there. I’m not a medical device. I’m a medical device geek, but I’m not in the device business. I like to look at the tools and figure out which tools make sense and maybe put a dashboard together. So I could talk to my patients in a HIPAA compliant environment basically just flat old biofeedback. My title is the Chief Metabolism Officer a mitochondria rescue. So we just wanna just improve

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Oh, so these aren’t your devices.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

No, no, I, I, I helped develop some of the devices I use for my sinus ventilation procedures. But you know, I’m trying to move into the the mitochondrial medicine world right now. So we’re not, I see that the device world is tough because every few months something comes out, that’s like, Oh my gosh, that’s what I was looking for. You know? Yeah. I just hired a person who is expert in getting medical devices to the FDA and just kind of helped us in the peptide space because we’re spending so much money on FDA attorneys and you know, all this stuff to get these out and it really coz’ People just throws, say, Oh, someone else doing stuff, we’re doing something, you know, you have to do so many things. And we’re talking to the FDA all the time that we also have to hire the who was head regional head of FDA supplement enforcement. And,uhe basically said he would go into doctor’s offices with his Glock pulled and a flak jacket on. And for like B12 that they heard was like, illegal. I’m like, you were a Dick. I’m like, excuse me. He’s like, he goes, yeah, I loved it. And I’m like, yeah, but now he’s our [inaudible]. But,uyou know, so he’s always talking to the FDA and saying, Hey, what do you think of this? And, you know, we’re, this is, there are some weird loopholes, but you got to do so much testing. And so everything we do is just over tested and, you know, Yeah, you just, we’re just improving metabolism. We’re just using biofeedback devices to, to, to, to help yo maybe overcome challenges. That’s all we’re really doing. If, if people have happened to make big gains, we are not making any drug use claims of all. I would never say that we are, but we do have research that we can talk about that.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I’d love to yeah. Get, you know, take a look at all that stuff. It sounds very cool. So let’s say for training, tell me about the training program.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

The training program is all online, it’s all complimentary and we have three different levels. You can just watch a couple of introductory videos and open up a practitioner account or you can take our didactic course, which is all about mitochondria medicine is meant to be a weekend course and you can become certified that way. And if you want to go full on, you can become an advanced HRV practitioner. Uand it’s not expensive. It’s $800 down, it’s a hundred dollars a month and we mail you the device preloaded on a PC, and we get on team viewer with you. and we have lots of videos to watch and we train you over team viewer. We have a nice drop ship portal that you can order to order product on your own. And the telemedicine, I think it’s about six months away. We’re working on the software and what we want to do is we want to set up a a loyal rescue program and a loyal rescue program so that if patients want to buy maybe the stable of their mitochondrial devices and maybe they’ll get a discount on, on the products, okay. Or maybe they’ll earn points for getting the next device, or maybe if you grouped together as a group, and we look at all your dashboards and say, Hey, you guys do great as a group, you really improve this parameter. That probably really includes your metabolism. You qualify for more discounts. And perhaps you can even go down on the supplements. Cause that’s what we find. People get so healthy. They don’t need the same dose that they needed when they were molded out and chronic fatigue.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah the goal is not to be on more and more supplements.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We needed, but then you can get off it but the thing is, what’s interesting is what are you can, you can like look at them and say, well, maybe you need a little extra today. What’s going on? Where were you? Right. And then you could say, well, then, then they learn how to dose it. According to what’s going on, maybe they’re taking an international trip. Maybe they have a big you know, athletic championship or something. So it’s much more catered, but the goal is to have it be cheaper and cheaper for them as they get better and better. And as they get more into your community to improve their metabolism, right. And to reduce the chronic inflammation,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Who doesn’t want that for so many reasons. And so where do people, where would a doctor go to get more information? Where would a patient go?

Dr. Suresh Raja (00:43:13):

Right. So we’re practitioner based right now. So the best way to reach us is through mitochondria rescue.com, or you can just contact me directly, [email protected] Now, if you’re, if you’re on a, if you’re on telegram on Mito doc on telegram. So yeah, it’s an encrypted kind of a WhatsApp to get away from people watching us so much and using our information.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

So that’s getting bad. We can talk about that forever.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. Right. So, I mean, and they had the username Mito doc, so I just grabbed it and I’m just going to use that one because I love it. But you know, can I drop a URL on this on this talk so people can just

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Absolutely will. In fact, I wanted to put like your website and the URL while you’re speaking on the bottom. So let me talk to our, yeah. So we should be talking about this offline, but yeah. We’ll do whatever we can. Okay.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I could send you a URL in a minute, so people could just click and get all my information with all the research and all the information about becoming a practitioner.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Love it. You’re just so into just helping everyone, you know, and just that’s,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

That’s why we’re all here, isn’t it?

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah, no, it’s true. It’s refreshing, you know I love it. And we talked earlier, you talked about Mito profile, Mito reserve, mito decay. can you go into a little more detail about those cause those?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So, so the way your mitochondria are are different than mine. Okay. Let’s say someone’s really toxic and you’re giving them a lot of treatment. Well, they’re probably going to be very low power and how you would dose them would be different because there mito reserve is very, very low and maybe you raise them too high and all of their toxins get excreted and they have a really big problem. So that mito profile was different than someone who’s a professional athlete for burns fat really well. Like our world champion, Anthony parcels, he doesn’t even need the carbo load. Okay. I mean, all this whole thing he does, and he just, you know, he’s an elite mitochondria, mitochondrial person never gets there. He never, well, he is the most elite mitochondria in the world. So we can figure out with all of these devices and with our advanced stuff that we have in our office and with the work I’m doing in hyperbaric medicine, which is very exciting by the way we can figure out what your Mito profile means, how much can we charge your mitochondria and how long does it take for it to drop in voltage. Okay. And so that should decay rate and that’s your reserve. And the goal is to raise your reserve and slow down your decay. Okay. And if we can do that just by using biofeedback and by improving your metabolism and getting you to burn fatand you know really just improving your lifestyle through a community where, where you’re giving back, if they do better I think it’s going to be really amazing, but if you’re, let’s say an Alzheimer’s patient, okay, your mito profile’s going to be much different. And how we treat you is going to be much, much different and you might need a higher dose. Okay. And if we can figure out what’s going on with you, and if you don’t hold a charge very well, like your smartphone battery again. So we might need to dose even three times a day, or maybe we need to add an electroceutical stack, or maybe you need some hyperbaric treatment, or maybe you need to go into therapeutic ketosis. So those are all parts of the mito profile and mito decay rates. So it’s stacked Mito stacks on top of really different types of data streams. Okay. And and because we’re living in an information age, it doesn’t always have to be bad, you know, it can be inexpensive and it can be good.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. And it seems like, you know, everyone’s stressed out, like you’re always in fight or flight, you know, you never get into that beta oxidation, [inaudible] you know, burning glucose and just, ah that’s amazing. You know, I thought I knew a lot about mitochondria you’re you are the mitochondria geek.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I think they do amazing things. They even make nano tubules and make little tunnels and crawl through and go from one cell to the other. Or if you have, I think it’s Parkinson’s, they fold up into a donut and they get extruded to get like kicked out of the cell. Okay. Yes. They literally get kicked out. Okay. And the, we’re living in the world, you know, the microcosm is really the macrocosm and you’re talking about being stressed out. You can have all the fanciest instruments in the world, but I think it’s important to have a good gratitude practice. You want to call it spiritual, however you want to call it. I think, I think it’s very important because to, to raise your parasympathetic reserve is not as easy as you might think. Even with all these Mito stacks and all these mito peptides.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Oh, it’s like stop being stressed, you know? Yeah.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So what a gratitude practice, I think helps the most and breathing practices. So we, you know we believe in all that too. So we, we feel that the mission statement of our company is where spirit needs technology. So I know we spent a lot of time talking about technology, but we’re also very much on that side.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I love it because yeah. You know, I had chronic Lyme Babesia, Bartonella. I mean, couldn’t go bad when the heart failure . Oh yeah. I could not like stand up. I could not walk up, walk up the stairs, take me hours. The cardiologist said you may be able to get 10% better in 10 years. And, and I’m like, Oh my God, I can’t live like this. And I’m like, I pray to God. I’m kind of an atheist, but I’m sure God’s a woman. Cause she hates me. But I said just take everything, take everything, just please help me get better. And so she held her part of the bargain. She did take everything because I got divorced and my ex got Gloria Allred and women on cover of power attorney magazine. Now it’s sick. And it’s like, okay. So but it’s worth it when you don’t have your health, it doesn’t matter how much money you have. Like it’s nuts. And so it did make me much more grateful and I think much more empathetic. Nd because when someone would like lime a bit, you cannot explain how bad you feel to anyone. No one will get it. They just go, Oh yeah, I’m tired too. You’re like, I want to kill you. But it’s so true. You don’t know until you lose something, you know, and, and to be grateful, you got a bad day. I got a parking ticket. I’m off. Like, dude, that’s nothing, you know? Uand,uand that’s why I kinda like the watch,umilitary channel. Like it’s like, you know, learn the foxholes, the mud and slept like, okay, that’s a bad day. You know, I’m pissed off because I have to do some PowerPoint or something, you know? it’s yeah. And, and I think people with gratitude, they’re just so much happier, you know?

 

Yeah. And you know, when it comes to chronic fatigue, you, I read Dr. Michael’s book. “It’s Mitochondria, Not Hypochondria”. And you know, really I realized that they can’t move. They, every molecule of ATP is made just for them to sit and breathe and do what they do. But that doesn’t mean it’s all over because we are born with the inherent ability to self heal. Okay. That is definitely true. You know, I’m a domain collector that happens to be one of my domains. selfheal.com and I figured that, well, what happens if you did self heal? So a couple months later I bought selfhealed.com, but that’s, that’s another story. So I do think we have the ability to self heal. Even if you’re like that. I have a wounded healer story myself. We all do. That’s kind of like why we’re doing. That’s most people that get into this. And that was a standard physician was told anything alternative. It means no evidence. And I snuck off to some of these conferences and then went, Oh my God, this is a more evidence-based than what they’re teaching me. You know? yeah, it’s crazy. And you know, these people get treated so poorly. If a doctor can’t treat it, it doesn’t exist and it’s the patient’s fault and we’ll patients cry just the first visit. They’re like, you believe me, I’m like, yes. And I’ll show you on paper that you’re sick and they just start crying because no one believes me, you know, and they’re just treated. It’s just, it drives me crazy when there’s always exceptions. But on average, you know, it says a bunch of doctors, but actually the doctors will watch the mess or not like if it’s doctor seemed to be the most un-empathetic people, you know and just, just treat them. So one case. She was in the ICU and the doctor was saying was psychological.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I mean, this is, these are conversations that you wouldn’t have unless you were integrative. You know? And, and I feel like I can tell this adage because everyone in my family’s a doctor, literally my sisters, my in-laws, my wife, uncles, everybody, you know, what they say is you go to medical school and we kind of forget half of what you learn. The problem is you don’t know which half.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And we also found that the less the doctor knows the more adamant they’re right.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Interesting.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

You know, well, have you ever looked, there’s no studies on that. Well, I’m sure there isn’t, if you don’t look, you knowbut doctors are put general standard docs are put in a difficult spot because they can’t like, it’s so rare. Like you send a patient back who’s been with the doctor, they loved their doctor, great relationship. They’ve been sick for a long time. They come in, they get better, like so happy to tell their doctor, their doctors would be happy and they’re pissed. And they’re like, I’m not going to treat you. Like, if you go back to that doctor, like what, you know? And it’s, it’s weird. But also they can’t do some of the things that our one doctor called once week what’d you do, which is really rare. And I started talking, I was like, silence, like what’s wrong? That takes 20 minutes. He goes, I don’t have 20 minutes. I have 10 minutes, you know? So they’re put in a bad position.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I’m happy to have, you know, I’ve been a doctor for 30 years now, so I feel like I could be a doctor for another 30 actually, because it is anti-aging at the end of the day. So if you have good metabolism, you’re aging the right way. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

So you got out of that system and doctors are miserable. If you go to SERMO on you been on that, it’s like miserable doctors trying to, they don’t think they have a way out. And I used to post and say, learn something really well, you know, and get out of the insurance model and they just don’t take, I go, that’s quackery, you know, but anyways yeah, so that’s awesome. You just set up your passion for this is just taking it so far and so you mentioned also you’re a Chief Metabolism Officer. I really liked that of Evolution Hyperbaric Institute so tell me about the hyperbaric. Do you have hyperbaric in your office? A heart chamber.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We’re going to be manufacturing our own everything, but right now we retrofit our, our, we have three patents that our gas management software platformand we have different pressure titrations andit’s really pretty amazing cause we have all these micro diagnostics hooked up to it and we do all these electric ceuticals and we see what happens, when we dropp the pressure and raise the pressure and we’re going to measure it as yeah, for four different decimal points. And my founder, my inventor, he brought Nitrox to the world if your scuba divers. So he changed scuba diving with enriched air mixtures of forever. And he held the patents for that. And he’s been in the compressed gas business for over 40 years. His name’s William Delt III. And before that, he was in the alternative energy. In fact, he developed hydroelectric systems 45 years ago when he was in his mid twenties. And one of them came out to bid on the Island of Hawaii. And it was dubbed as one of the most advanced energy projects in the world. And it was the same people he worked with and designed 45 years ago. So we’re trying to do that for hyperbarics and we’re trying to concentrate on just neurodegeneration. That’s it that’s really what we cause that’s what we need. That’s the big epidemic. Sowhen you stack it with our, our Mito peptides, our micronutrients, and you know, I like, I like hydrogen. I like magnesium. I like vitamin D I like fulvic acid. I’m this not all about my product line. I like nitric oxide. Right. But they tend to be more signaling molecules, small molecules that can do a lot that are very nimble and you know, cost is a factor for me to tell you the truth Kent cause I feel like, you know, you spend a lot of money on blood tests. You spend a lot of money on this

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Are so expensive for patients.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So that’s the thing. So that that’s the whole package. And super-duper exciting to tell you the truth, the hyperbaric work really. I just know we’re onto something. I just can’t, it’s just intuition is what I would say.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. That’s you get that gut feeling? And I was doing hyperbaric and I’m like, I go in, I was so anxious, you know, with lime and the Parkdale, there would be, I was like sitting in the car, like working up to it and I get in there and get in the chamber. I’m like, just crank it up, you know, I’ll turn up more and more, more. And then so he does, and then he leaves and then I start going, Oh my God, I’m having a panic attack. It’s so hot. And I’m like banging on the thing. Really?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. We’re going to address all that right now. Right now we’re retrofitting and we’re we’re

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Well that was my fault I just told them to crank it up, you know? But you know, you get a little desperate. But yeah, that’s interesting. And we looked into doing that, but there, I don’t know, at least in California, there’s so many regulatory issues with, you know, because really hyperbarics are kind of like a bomb, you know, if you don’t, if you don’t do it right.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. A lot of us with the humidity and the static electricity, we we’ve solved all those problems with my partner is just like me. He’s all solution oriented so we can take care of that. It’s we can do it.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. California. I mean, I know another doctor put one in the cost of like $400,000 to put it in so it’s crazy, but yeah. Yeah. I love them. I think, I think they’re great.

Dr. Suresh Raja (00:57:58):

We’re trying to reduce the footprint and half the price make the footprint of a unit into a quarter and half the price.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

How many treatments do you think again, need is a relative term, but when do you start seeing benefit?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So that depends on your micro profile, right? Because initially when you do hyperbarics, if you really toxic, all of that oxygen has meant oxidizing your toxins. And once you’re done oxidizing your toxins, then you re-energize. And after you re-energize you release 800% more STEM cells. Okay. And what that would be for a line page might be different from someone who’s an elite cyclist. Okay. But we’re finding that with the dashboards that we’re getting is you don’t necessarily, really are stuck doing 40 or 60 treatments. You might need to come in three times in a row and then come in twice a month after that. And we’re following it with all these devices, because obviously it’s the same dashboard for both companies. So that’s going to change as well. Right. Cause we’re going to know exactly when we need to come in

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

So you even can maybe predict when someone says, how often do you need, instead of just giving a standard answer, everyone say, well, you have this profile. I think you’re going to need X amount.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. But the problem is that they’re usually the land of broken toys are the ones that end up after the doctors and the insurance companies have sort done everything they possibly could. Then they’ll say, okay, kick them down the road center to the hypercare. So those patients generally need more treatments, but for anti-aging for metabolism, right? Or your mitochondria you know, it’s a different ball game. You know if you can be ketogenic and it could hyperbaric stack at a good nutrient stack and a good electroceuticals stack,uI think you can self heal in a logarithmic way rather than,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Is there any issue of increasing oxidative stress with increased oxygen?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So that’s why we do the Karnozin Extra, it’s a massive antioxidant potential. And we do the dissolvable hydrogen tablets, and then we measure it.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

So I like those. Yeah.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. We measure it. So we know, I mean, someone who’s subject to a lot of toxins, we wouldn’t bring the pressure as much and we wouldn’t do as long of a treatment. Okay. So this is so it’s very customizable with what we have there. And our Karnozin is a big part of it. So with our Karnozin and you can take an HRV measurement and then measure your HRV number, like two hours later, it will go up. And anyone who knows anything about HRV, it’s not so easy to raise your number just by taking a couple pills.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I’m very interested. So tell me, okay, I’m a patient I come to you, what’s kind of the process. Well, what happens?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

So now I base my practice out of the hyperbaric. So what we’ll usually do is you come in and you’re fasted for two hours and you don’t have any caffeine. And we do the HRV on you. And obviously we take a history. We look at any blood work that you might have, but we would like to enroll you in, what’s called a heart print program. We want to know your heart print. And that’s basically 10 hyperbaric treatments where we give you some wearables that you go home with the second week. With the first week, we hook you up to our own Mito diagnostics that again, measure fuel oxygen and voltage. And then we slowly introduce you to our technologies where we have different pressure titrations that release the oxygen massively. Once you drop the pressure and you’re still in a hundred percent oxygen environment, because remember you’re compressed all that oxygen is completely compressed in all of your fluid systems, your CSF, your lymphatics, your plasma. And once you drop the pressure and you’re in the chamber, it gets released okay. To go where it needs to go. And we, you know, part of the heart print is doing photobiomodulation before you get in the chamber and then doing post electromagnetic field afterwards. Okay.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

What are you doing for photobiomodulation?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We just have I forget what it’s called the IMRS system, just a mat. And we just lay people on it for eight minutes cycles. Right. And then we do the BioLite for photobiomodulation and then we use the tenant bio modulator for scalar energy. Once we get to know you, because after 10 sessions, after 10 sessions, we know your heart print, we know what you’re all about. And then we come up with your Mito profile. We can figure out what your Mito reserve is. We’ll figure out your, so that’s like you get to give us sessions and then we’ll be able to tell you, well, this is how you respond to it. This is how we go forward. You’re good to go for this many, go home with these wearables and just dump the data to me, you know, whatever you want. And we send you emails, Hey, did you give us the data? And then we’ll sort of put telemedicine consult to look at your data and say, Hey, what’s going on with you? Maybe you should up this or change this, or why don’t you come and just for now,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I like it. And I remember first time I saw [inaudible] speaking, you know, with this, you know, all voltage and looking at the whole body different way. Now I have to learn a whole new way. I love it. Make sense. And it’s like, but it’s like, the body is voltage and that’s not what we’re taught in medicine. And I’m like, damn it I need to freaking learn a whole new way of looking at things. And, but it, it’s pretty amazing. And I want to, I want to come into your program. So how long, like with the hyperbarics, like how long do people have to stay there? Let’s say the people are traveling.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right? So we, we are set up for 10 minutes from, from Palm beach International. So if they could spend a couple like 10 days with us, we’re open on weekends, maybe not so much Sunday.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

So you can basically like 10 in a row,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

10 in a row. Well, and then we can decide, I mean, if your ears can take it, but you know, I’m an ear doctor, so we can, we can figure that out. Sometimes we have to take a day off here and there, but it’s usually sort of like five days we like to do three in a row. Okay. And then, so you do three in a row, maybe four in a row, three in a row. Cause that tends to,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Hey, I’m going to check this out.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Well, you should, you’re in California, right? You should, you should come over. We happy to sort of show you around. And I mean, I think, I think it’s I love hyperbaric. I I’ve been doing it three times a week for over a year and I, you know, for me, I know that my motive Mito profile is if I’m not in it, if I’m out of it for five or six days, even though I’m doing all the other Mito nutrient stacks, I’m not the same. Okay. And when I do it, I know the treatments that I’m getting are literally the most powerful hyperbaric treatments in the world with our technology. And so I do a little bit of a free diving breathing. It’s called stacking. Actually, what’s it called? Packing. Yeah. It’s called Packing. So you can actually take a really deep breath as pressurize. And this is very advanced. This is what the Navy seal divers do. And as the pressure is decompressing, you can feel your lungs expand. Okay. So you’re actually increasing your vital capacity of your lungs just from the deep pressurization. And yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

As people get older and sicker, like, you know, they got to try to blow on those things.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

And then the oxygen just explodes into your system. And it feels like a, like from the college days, it feels like a whip it. Literally feels like a nitric [Inaudible]. And then you go on the [Inaudible] because oxygen is paramagnetic. And the oxygen that you have in your body will go right to where it needs to. And with the hyperbaric, it’s very easy to figure out what your Mito decay rate is with our advanced Mito oxygen devices.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I’m going to definitely check this out. This is kind of.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

It’s so fun I can say, it’s like really fun, you know, just to get to know people this way. And it’s I’m very grateful actually, to be able to be able to do this, to tell you the truth,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

They were names. It’s like, wait, I know your mitochondria. It’s kind of like an, it’s kind of like an OB, like, okay, wait, I don’t remember your face. That’s funny. Yeah. Or a colorectal surgeon.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Oh my gosh. Remember I covered more holes than anyone else than your nose and throat. So.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. Well I just, I just got my nose fixed. It broke, shattered it in seven places that a. We had a management meeting offsite and basically went out to dinner. Thanks around those electric scooters and just buzzing around all LA. And then my girlfriend says, go in the parking structure. And so it’s safer. My accountant was coming down this way. I was going up blind curve. His head was down.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Oh my gosh!

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

It just hit right here. Exploded my nose.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Oh, How’s your breathing? Are you breathing okay?

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

It’s better. Well, I got it fixed. And then with the first guy and it was worse and I’m like, should I get a CT? It’s like, no, we’ll just come in and we’ll shave it down when I get the CT. And it’s like, well, you missed a dislocation. You know? And so I went to actually the doctors from Botch, but it’s the luminaire, very perfectionist. So at least.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

It’s good. I think it was good. I think it was really good actually. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And I couldn’t breathe before, like, you know, after it was fixed and it actually, I started getting like terrible periodontitis, cause like, you know, no moisture amount, those saliva it’s bad.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

That’s where they do the mouth taping and, you know, nitric oxide is produced in the sinuses. Right. And when you do the pranayama and you hum okay. When you hum it releases even more nitric oxide.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Really? Well, I’m learning so damn much. I love it. I love it. And Oh yeah. So you you’ve talked about that world champion, so he just loves your product and has really helped him.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. So he was on the mitochondria rescue, the three out of the, actually four out of the five products. And normally you would hit that lactic acid build up, you know, it was a six hour race. It was virtual, which was interesting because it because of the pandemic, it wouldn’t be. So he was on these rollers that you have to kind of balance, he was on his rollers and he was looking at a TV screen. So he actually won a world championship from his own living room, which was kind of interesting. He didn’t carbo load [Inaudible] hydrogen. He had some Keto water. He had, we loaded him with the four Karnozins and two Komplex Q10. We have like a rock and Komplex Q10 and two hours and 45 minutes in. So almost halfway in, which was normally when he would feel some lactic acidosis we dosed him again with four Karnozins and two Komplex Q10.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

And he did 140 miles. And afterwards he took our Kolostrum and our Stimuno we have a four hour [Inaudible] Kolostrum and we have really good bioflavonoid Stimuno and he said that, you know, really about 20 minutes into, after taking that second dose, he felt like his thighs were burning and then they went away. And of course he did a hyperbaric treatment a couple of days before his before his run to, and he said he would never, he said he would never do another race without the rescue. And he’s 50,five zero. Okay? And he was ranked before, but he really wasn’t in competition for a couple years. And just recently got back into it.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah It’s hard to compete.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I mean it’s good for everything. Right? Anti-aging and you know, so we tend to see more of the sicker patients because they need help. But it’s really good for anti-aging. It’s just hard to get people to believe even that’s why we like people to have all the measurements and you can even give them the measurements and they still won’t believe it even after they improve. So

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

It might [Inaudible] that is true. Yeah.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yeah. I mean, you just, you have to be ready for when they’re ready. Right? That’s really all you can do really. You just give them the tools. Yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. And it’s true. It’s, you know, people come up to me at a party and so, you know, sick, I got this and that, and then you say, well, you should they check it? My doctor said, I don’t have that. Well, exactly. It’s like, how’s that working for you? You know? What is your thought on like PQQ, MitoQ.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Yep I like it. I like PQQ right. That’s basically stardust Right. So I think it’s very good for the electron transport chain you know, a quinolone or quinoa, you know, you can argue about that, but again, it’s a pricing thing for me, you know, like I think our Komplex Q10 is really, really potent. So I don’t really think people need to spend that much extra amount, more money. And even the MitoQ, I think they have great research. But I think a lot of the marketing costs get kind of baked into their cost of product.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

That’s the thing it’s like.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

you know,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I think of like the insurance companies as commercial, after commercial, I’m like, I’m not going with them. They’re spending so much on commercials.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Oh. So will you look at it is the Komplex Q10, the MitoQ, the PQQ, they regenerate, excuse me, they are power. They literally are power, but they’re not necessarily regenerating power. Okay. And what we find is when we give the Karnozin Extra with our Ko Q10 is once they start getting better, we cut down on their Ko Q10 coz your heart rate starts to go up. Okay?

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Really?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Okay. Well, you know, you don’t really. Yeah. And they have a little trouble sleeping if they’re real sensitive is the Komplex Q10, so that’s what I’m saying. We’re always kind of like balancing it. And so we tend to, like, I take a lot when I’m healthier, I take less Komplex Q10, actually. Okay? Because I don’t need it. It keeps me up my heart rates up. I, you know, I live pretty clean, you know? So that’s the interesting comment I would say, but I like all of them, but how much does it cost? I’m always going to ask. Right. You know? Cause I feel like ours is well-priced and yeah.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And do you like any of the mitochondrial peptides, like Mazi and 5-Amino 1MQ?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I’m not overly, you know, I can’t tell you that I know I mean, there’s one called Poly-MVA that I looked into and that was more of a liquid form and I don’t like injectables. Right? I just, you know, the whole bio identical hormones stuff, or are those all by, are those all injectables?

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Well, yeah, those are our peptides, but yeah, the Poly-MVA is basically a palladium with Kogi 10.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I liked it. But again, the cost was

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Much cheaper to do IV. When you do an oral, you have to take so much, I mean, it’s like.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Unless you have the right bioavailability, see that’s the thing right? You know? So I don’t know, we’re getting good results. We’re not really looking around. We consider ourselves to be a mitochondria neuropeptide because we still count

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

[Inaudible] you don’t worry about it.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Well, we, you know, w it counts as a peptide.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Blue ocean. Blue ocean.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Exactly.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. That’s great. Yeah, this has been fabulous. And I’m gonna come out and see ya. I just love to check all this out.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

You play golf? We could play some nice golf here too. ,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Well, I don’t know if you call it. I take a bucket of balls and when I run out of balls I stop. It’s like, I’ll see ya. I’m over there, but cool. Hey, I gotta get out of California. Anyways. This place is nuts. Yeah. So, okay. Where can we find out more information? And I think its said already, but

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Right. You will have your out, but you can reach me at [email protected] or just go to our website and just go fill out a contact info and we’ll get it. And we’ll send you everything that you need to know. It’s very easy process, whichever way you choose if you’re on telegram or Mito doc on telegram? Right now we’re practitioner based group. So you know, our website is very vanilla for all the reasons that we talked about before. But if you call us as an interested practitioner, we can get you all the research, all the information you need. So

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

It sounds like, you can really help doctors treat these tough patients.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

If they’re open to it. Right. You know, and we have a lot of fertility. I mean, it would be great for fertility to tell you the truth, but again, you put on the snake oil salesman hat, and, you know, it’s just,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

But doctors watching this are open to it.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I hope so.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

I mean that’s why it is, you know, typically doctors their. Sounds great, but then they got to check with other doctors, like, you know, what do you think of this? It’s an interesting thing that, you know, doctors of psychology and just human nature too, you Know?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I mean my doctor friends think I’m, you know, way out there, so, and maybe I am, you know, I think we’re tip of the spear

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

When your Doctor friends say you’re way out there. That is a compliment.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I figured, well, we were like, we, we consider ourselves to be tip of the spear is, and, and this world needs it. So that’s what we think.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. That’s like, you know, people ask, what do you do? I don’t even know how to answer it. You know? It’s like, what type of medicine? Anti aging, what does that mean? It a sounds kind of integrative. I just say we’re,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We’re metabolic practitioners, that’s it.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

And then they start asking more questions and the idea it’s intriguing, I found out, but I just got tired of trying to explain it. And my girlfriend’s like, you are the worst explaining what you do. And we just, I just think we’re practice better medicine, you know, but you can’t say that to especially a doctor, you know?

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Oh, no, no.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. Like you’re not evidence-based than [Inaudible] and the first franchise was a hospital. And they actually, so we put it in, they were trying to do an anti-aging clinic, quote unquote for like 10 years and couldn’t do it. So we, we went in and it just exploded. And it was like the middle of nowhere. And all the doctors were so mad because like the endocrinologist got like so many calls, no [Inaudible] the first week. And so they call me, we’ve got to come out here. They say you’re practicing medieval medicine. So I think there was a challenge was, and I said, I’m going to show them how we’re evidence-based. And they’re not, which was a huge mistake because I went out there and it was a whole board, all the department heads. And I started going through it, showing how we’re evidence-based and it just made them madder. And then they go, you’re going to talk to the CEO. He’s so mad. They’re just going to kick you out. So I talked to him, he goes, listen, you know, my wife has been so sick for 10 years. They’ve gone to every one of these specialists here in two businesses with your clinic so much better. I’ll take care of the doctors. I’m like, no, you won’t. They won’t give in. You know? And I said, just say, you’re defunding and we’ll call it something else, you know? And he goes, no, I can talk them into it. And then I heard they had a a doctor’s meeting and the guy described it as like Frankenstein, where they have like pitchforks and, and like torch is going to get them out. You know, it’s like, and we were getting all these patients better and they didn’t want to hear it. You know, they’re saying, you’re putting us down. You’re saying you’re better than us. Like who’s saying that? You know,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

There it is. That, you know, a good, you know, anyway, I just looked there. They’re all trying and things do need to change at some point, they, you know they, you know, germs used to kill us. And you know, we concentrated a lot on nuclear genetics and the people are studying mitochondria more and, you know, big pharma like to study the mitochondria, DNA, genetics maybe they should be studying the epigenetics. But really maybe they should just be studying voltage, you know, and cleaning up.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yes. That’s the only foreign to 99% of doctors.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Well, I could talk to a regular person about it and they’re like, Oh yeah, I get that. You know,

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

They get it, but yeah, you wouldn’t, you’re trained and, and we’ll have like, we’re hiring a doctor and doing interviews like specialists. And I’m like, no, no, no, you’re not going to work why? You know, because I’m gonna have to, you’re gonna have to unlearn all this stuff. You spent all this time learning because it’s not great, you know? But it’s interesting. And I think now also doctors coming out, you know, it’s like about, you know, great test scores and in general, they are memorized. They’re amazing at memorization, but they’re not great at concepts. They can extrapolate and a really funny story, but it will take time. But is that it’s, everything’s algorithm an algorithm. That’s what they’re made to do also, you know, in the hospitals, if you don’t do exactly this, you’re brought in front of the board, you know there,

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

I do know.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Yeah. There’s, there’s no like, Hey, let’s look at some concepts and fix this, fix that. So like, that’s why anyone with a complex illness doesn’t do well in standard medicine because they go to, you know, the gastrologist fixes that part neurologist fixes that part, you know? And and they just don’t get to the core of it. But

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

We’re preaching to the choir, I mean, I was a surgical specialist. I’m a reform surgeon, you know what I mean? I still enjoy operating, but I enjoy mitochondria medicine. A lot more as I think the impact is much greater than just being able to help, you know, a couple hundred people a year, you know, three, 400 people a year. Right. So and that’s what we need because our exposes oxidizing us is essentially what’s happening.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

That’s awesome. Hey, I’m very impressed. And again, I want to come out and see you, and I think this is great information for doctors and patients. And it sounds like you’ve made you know, complex subject and you know, problem, very treatable and doable. And cost-effective so I think my hat goes off to you and I think it’s great. And thank you for coming on and taking the time and sharing your information. I think it was, this was just fabulous. So thank you.

 

Dr. Suresh Raja

Thanks for the invitation I look forward to seeing you, hopefully in person.

 

Kent Holtorf, MD

Great. You will. I’m going to come and bug ya. All right. Take care.