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Dr. Marlene Mahipat started from humble beginnings in Trinidad and moved to the United States in 1990 with $300 and two suitcases containing her entire life. Overcoming many obstacles, which included working three jobs and going to school full time, she persevered and completed her education to earn a Doctor... Read More
Wendie Trubow, MD, MBA, IFMCP is a functional medicine gynecologist with a thriving practice at Five Journeys, and is passionate about helping women optimize their health and lives. Through her struggles with mold and metal toxicity, Celiac disease, and other health issues, Dr. Trubow has developed a deep sense of... Read More
- Since toxins are everywhere and we are continually exposed, it’s not possible to be perfect and elimination, just do better. The most common toxins include metals, mycotoxins and other environmental toxins. Testing for toxins is very important and can focus detoxification and treatment. Testing is especially important if you’re doing everything right but still have health issues. Those who should test include those who are super sick, multiple autoimmune conditions, degenerative disease, and cancer. The industries with the most toxicity and in which the workers are the sickest, include those who do here dying, glassblowing and shipbuilders. Most testing involves urine testing. Other contributing factors to making toxin effects worse include EMF exposure. Toxin exposure can lead to many conditions, including autoimmune diseases, cancer, chronic degenerative diseases and Alzheimer’s/dementia. Some of the most common toxins of exposure include glyphosate in food and plastics. For treatment, remove what can be removed gradually to “level up”. Prioritize the elimination or reduction of the most likely cause of symptoms, including mold exposure, heavy metals, and plastics. “One-size-fits-youl”. Make the body healthier by eating real food, veggies, adequate sleep, regular perspiration, lymphatic drainage, and relaxation. More information can be found on fivejourneys.com and EWG.org. Besides directly testing for heavy metals, plastics and pesticides, also include detox capacity with MTHFR. If there is one “most important” strategy that most people can easily do it is to remove plastics from one’s life, unless there is another more significant issue. For dealing with toxicity, “pick your battles” because you can’t eliminate all possible risk factors.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Hello, hello. How are you Dr. Trubow.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
So great to be here Marlene. Call me Wendie.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Wendie, Wendie. Thank you so much, Wendie, for doing this. This is such a great topic. It really is. This is so, so needed. Before we get started why don’t you tell us a little bit about yourself?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Sure, my name’s Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.. I am a board certified OB GYN and so I have my MD from Tufts and I also have my MBA from Tufts graduated in 2000. So I realize, I’ve been in practice for over 20 years, which is crazy and I still love what I do. So I have a functional medicine practice in Newton, Massachusetts with my husband, it’s called Five Journeys and we just came out with a book on toxins called “Dirty Girl: Ditch the Toxins, Look Great and Feel FREAKING AMAZING!” And that’s what we’re gonna talk about, right?
Marlene Mahipat, DC
I just love it and I love the title. I love the title because it’s catching. I see it back there as the first thing that caught my eye.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Nobody forgets the title. Nobody’s like, what’s the name of that book.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, right.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Dirty girl, right.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Great title, great title. So how did you get into this toxin, the toxin and dirty girl. How did you really get into all of this?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Well, I was talking to someone earlier and we’ve decided that essentially I am my own muse. cause the next book is gonna be all about how not to be a hot, crazy witch as you try transition into menopause as I am doing right now. So more on that, another time. So I had all these toxins and I was losing my hair and gained a bunch of weight and had a rash and I wasn’t myself and I mean, I was already in functional medicine. So I had already been doing everything right around diet, no out alcohol, no sugar and taking all my supplements and blah, blah, blah, and exercising. So in theory, I should have been a million bucks except I was a hot freaking mess. And so I started to dive into what’s going on and found that I was essentially the repository for all toxins, leave no toxins left uncovered. So both lead and mercury, four strains of mycotoxins, a whole host of environmental pest, environmental other, you know, so plastics, gasoline, fumes, nail polish. That was the first to go. Unfortunately, no more done nails. And I didn’t have glyphosate. That was like the one thing that I was so proud of cause I don’t eat a lot of grains and so I had no glyphosate, which was great but I had pretty much everything else. And I went to my husband, I’m such a dirty girl. And then I went, oh wait, if I’m really such a poster child for healthy living and yet I have this, what does everyone else have? We need to get the word out. Hence the book.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
That is interesting. So, tell us a little bit about environmental toxin and how it affects our health.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Okay, brace yourself there everywhere. And they make you sick. So having said that there is hope, the goal is not perfection, the goal is improvement leveling up. So for example, environmental toxins, I mean, they really are everywhere. So you walk into your house and you’re like, “Oh, I love that fresh, clean smell of my floors having been washed.” Right, those are toxins and they’re not in your favor or you go and you know, sniffing, huffing, all of those things. Those are all toxins that will impact your brain function. Put you at risk for cardiac issues. MTBE is an additive that goes into gasoline fumes and I was quite high in this, which is why I always talk about it cause mine was really high. And I said to my husband, we live in Massachusetts. So it remember it’s cold here half the year and I’m not a huge fan of cold. So I said to him, I’m not pumping my gas anymore. He’s like, you just don’t make the cold. I’m like, no, I have high levels of MTBE and it’s an endocrine disruptor and I don’t really wanna be exposed to that and the potential cancer causing agents. So we’re done. So for things like that, it’s really everywhere. It’s all throughout and so the goal is how do you identify those little areas of exposure and start to eliminate them, you know, systematically.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, so what would you say is the biggest misunderstanding about toxins?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I would, the one biggest misunderstanding I would say I, of course so I’m Jewish and we argue with ourselves, right? We’re like invented debate basically. So on one hand, I will say, one of the biggest misunderstandings is that it’s possible to get rid of all of them ’cause it’s not. You know, if we’re living in this world, they’re pretty much everywhere. I mean, we’re all addicted to our cell phones, EMFs, it’s everywhere. EMFs are toxins for some people and so that’s one huge misunderstanding and then I think the other one is that no, I think I’m gonna stick with that one. That that’s my favorite. That it’s possible to be perfect, it’s not.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So other than the EMF, what would you say is the most common types of toxins?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, so I think you have to categorize it. So within the metals, there’s cadmium, lead and mercury within the mycotoxins, which are the toxins that mold strains put out when they’re in your body, that’s usually ochratoxin, gliotoxin, aflatoxin, zearalenone those are the most common ones we see and then the environmental toxins are the other, because I guess you think about it lead, the metals and the mycotoxin are truly environmental also but the other category is all of our beauty products. What we paint our houses with the stains we’re using for the floors. And we did our chicken coop and I insisted on using a non-toxic stain and my husband’s like, well, it’s outside. What does it matter? I said, A, you’re still doing it and B, our chickens are gonna live there and they’re making us eggs. So I don’t really wanna eat eggs from chickens that are toxic either. So any of the stains and the VOCs and the paints, if you’re doing construction on an old building, you’re getting likely exposed to lead as you dust there’s the the lead gets dusted from the paint that was used up till 1976. So it just starts to snowball. If you take your clothes to the dry cleaner, you’re getting exposed to chemicals that you then put on your body. If you wear clothes after buying them and don’t wash them, there’s chemicals to preserve it as it gets shipped from other countries so that the animals don’t eat the clothing essentially, or moths don’t get to it. Okay. That’s not in our favor. If you sleep in a bed that is not an organic bed, you’re getting exposed to flame retardants, which are a tremendous thyroid disruptor. People usually stop me at this point, ’cause they’re like, okay, I got it. It’s terrible. But there is hope, it’s fixable, there’s hope and you know it takes some mindfulness and proper attention.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So then, okay. So if we can actually fix this, what are some of the ways that we can actually assess our risk exposure and also test, some tests that we can actually do that can actually tell us what we have.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Okay, so nobody likes when I answer this. Okay, so when someone says to me, I’ve… There’s kind of a couple categories either you’ve really done everything and you lead a great life and yet you still don’t feel great or you can’t lose that weight or your hair is falling out or there’s some complaint, right? You’re like, I’m doing everything right and I’m still not so good, that deserves a toxins of AAL. And if you are someone who’s then on the other side of it, super sick and this is that, you know, 1-5% of people, for example, the people who come in and the woman has lost all the hair on her body. That’s I would say the end result of being super sick. Those are the people who really need a toxins evaluation or have tremendous body load of auto autoimmune disease. Even one disease is suspicious but if you have multiple autoimmune diseases or Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, some type of degenerate disease, those are I would say the three buckets of people I would recommend head right for a toxins evaluation. And it’s pretty easy to do. It’s not cheap but it’s easy, okay? So they’re all urine tests. The metals testing is a two part test, all urine and we use a provoking agent to pull out the metals and I say to people, you’re either gonna feel amazing when you do that test, that means you got metals or you’re gonna feel terrible when you do that test that means you’ve got metals. If you don’t notice anything, we’re not sure until we get the result. We’ll tell you when we have it but two out of the three, you have an early response, you know. And then there’s the mycotoxins, the other environmental toxins, herbicides, pesticides, insecticides, glyphosate. That’s the separate category. That’s also a urine test. You take glutathione for a week, do a hot bath, do the test. Not cheap, but easy.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Wow, wow. So, it is easy actually.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
It’s super easy. You just pee. You pee every day anyway, so right.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Is it somewhere you find your mind as well because I know for a long time it was usually a hair sample that-
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, you can, I’m not a huge fan of hair samples ’cause it shows what your body’s naturally moving, but it doesn’t show what you’re storing. What you wanna get at is what you’re storing. That’s the problem.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Plus women, we have hair dye. So we can’t ask any woman to go without hair dye for three months, to be able to do this, to do a hair sample test and yeah, we cave. I cave after a month
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I have to be honest with you. I don’t dye my hair. I did say to my husband, if you really feel strongly that you have a wife who has hair that is not white, you need to get another wife. It’s another source of toxins by the way, to be a bad news there.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
It is, it really is.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
There is a company in London called Overtone that is a more natural dye you do it at home. Anything you’re gonna get in the salon is most likely, highly chemical, really. I mean, hairdressers, glassblower, ship builders are like the three groups of people who are often very toxic because what they’re exposed to in their daily life. So I always say to women, like, why would you dye your hair? You’re beautiful. Those hairs are a badge of honor. Those white hairs, you earned them. As a female in this world, you earned them. Celebrate them. Mine are also like thicker and curlier than the rest of my hair. So I’m like, it gives you some bounce.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right? And then you are kinda toxin free.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, but I would say if possible, I mean the grow out, I know there are people who actually specialize in helping women grow out their hair from dye. There are hairdressers who do that. They’ll they’ll match the color that you have. But if it’s possible, I would say, yeah, don’t dye your hair, if possible.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Okay, the next time you talk to me, I will be a full head hair of grey.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
You’ll be beautiful just as you are. You’re beautiful either way.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Thank you.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Just like be fully you, right?
Marlene Mahipat, DC
You’re just so much fun. So what is the link between persistent disease, maybe chronic things and environmental toxin.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, I mean there’s a ton of environmental toxins, right? So anything can make you sick. And I think we have referenced EMFs. I’ve had patients who I say to, I can never remember the name of this telescope, but there’s a telescope, I think in the Virginia area. Maybe not Virginia, somewhere on the east coast, mid-south and it has a 10 mile radius where there’s no towers. There’s no cells. There’s no nothing. It’s a dead zone in terms of EMFs and I say to people, maybe you should go on vacation there to see if EMFs are messing with you ’cause you’ve done everything else right and you seem really sensitive. So maybe it’s EMF. So that’s an environmental pollutant. And then the link between environmental and chronic illnesses is you think of it as these are things that the body can deal with in small amounts, okay? Think of it like toddlers, you could deal maybe with one toddler but if you have a whole room of 20 toddlers and you’re on your own, you might not be the highest functioning human being. If you have a whole bunch of, you know, so that’s a terrible example potentially, but these toxins can be difficult for your body to deal with and if you’re exposed to them ongoingly and it’s cumulative and you haven’t gotten rid of what you had the other day and now you’re piling more on. It’s very difficult for the body to recover and so what happens is, the body shows signs. The body acts out, right? It’s like a hungry, tired toddler. It acts out and you get symptoms so that’s either weight gain, fatigue, brain fog, autoimmune disease, cancer, degenerative disease. The body starts to represent its upset in what we’ll call a diagnosis, migraines, asthma, anxiety. I have celiac, bloating gas, diarrhea, constipation, fertility issues, whatever you wanna say is your issue if you’ve done everything right and you’re still not really great, it hasn’t gone away then toxins are a concern.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So you mentioned EMF, which is cell phone. We have them all day, all day long. So people have sleep with their cell phone. So EMF goes into your body and it does damage, but PEMF which is Pulsed Electro-Magnetic Field actually goes in and it repairs the damage.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I know, it’s amazing.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
It is absolutely an incredible thing that you can have a device in your house and instead of sleeping with your cell phone, you can sleep with your PEMF, you might.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Marlene, I know you have the super expensive one in your office. Do you have one at your house that you sleep on or that you sit on during the day? I’m like, I want one of those.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
I know, I know we need to get Ed on board. He’s got Dr. Pollock’s new book, so he’s gonna be an expert. He’s gonna be an expert. So I do have a full body system at the house, high intensity, full body and the one at the office is the same. So it depends on different conditions. High intensity is probably best, especially for toxins. High intensity’s best and a full body system is best because you are able to treat your entire body in a treatment session. And as you said, we have toxins everywhere.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yep, this is great. I’m quite jealous.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
And actually if you go to dr.pollick.com, there’s tons and there’s actually articles on different toxin, different disease process because the toxins that would be sort of the next question. What are some of the common disease process that you have seen from long term environmental toxins?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah. I mean, let me count. How long do we have by the way? So it really comes down into, if you have autoimmune disease of any type, then that’s very concerning for toxins. Hair loss is very concerning for toxins. Cancer is very concerning for toxins. And I would say pretty much any type of cancer, because think about it, your MTHFR pathway, which is the methylation pathway is also critical for getting rid of toxins. The reason it’s important to methylate is because, take hormones for example, your taking your estrogen and in order to make it water soluble and get it to leave your body, you put a methyl group on it. Think of it like a barbell. That’s how I think of it and you put it in the gut so you can poop it out. But if you’re impaired at methylation, then your toxic estrogen form is hanging out. Your body’s like, “Whoa, I can’t deal with you right now.” It requires a phase II methylation and you then in the meantime, put that in your fat to store it because you can’t deal with it. Now these women say, I can’t lose any weight. I don’t need anything. I exercise all the time, I can’t lose any weight. I’m like, no, you got toxins. Unless you’re perimenopausal. In which case you might have perimenopause, but that’s a separate issue. So as long as you peeled away all the issues, anything that people have that’s persistent is concerning for toxins. Degenerative diseases, Alzheimer’s one form of Alzheimer’s is linked to toxins. There’s a number of different ways that can lead to dementia and degenerative disease and toxins are huge category. So, it really is kind of, anything you say to me, I would say yes.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So you kind of touched on cancer and this is really such a big deal and when we do consults people call in to dr.pollock.com to get advice on a PMF device, we get a lot of cancer, cancer people. So to talk a little bit about cancer and the link to environment toxin and tumors.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, so there’s a lot of environmental toxins, so there’s thinking back from cancer and there’s thinking forward from the toxins. So, there are a number of environmental toxins that according to the World Health Organization, different big governing bodies are clearly linked with tumors and cancer. So for example, Glyphosate, which is the most commonly used herbicide in the world, people know it as Roundup in their yard. It’s associated with a number of different tumors and so you can go sort of A to B, you’re not allowed to say it causes it, but you can say it associated with and so there’s like a wide range of these toxins that are associated with plastics, associated with cancer. And these, a lot of the names I’m not using because you’d be like, well, I don’t know what that is. No nothing is listed as NAE or NAHD. It’s not listed like that. So when you look at the downstream, the products it’s in plastics, styrene, volatile organic chemicals, paints, potentially all of these things can track backwards and so it kinda go, it’s like, it’s not causal, it’s related.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
It’s related.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Suggestive.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, associated.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Associated, yes.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So now we kind of talked a little bit about the environmental toxin and some of the symptoms and different kinds of environments of toxin. What about treatment? Because now we know we have it, we know how to find it. Tell me a little bit about treatment and actually nutrition and supplements.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Okay, Marlene. So this is a huge question. And the first thing is perfection isn’t the goal. The goal is just leveling up, getting better so let’s think of it in two ways. One, try not to fill up your body with toxins, meaning as you’re running out of your beauty product, go to ewg.org, get a better product, get something that’s better for you. My favorite beauty brand is Beautycounter because there’s like a whole list of like 1200 things they refuse to use, which is great and they’re committed to better beauty. It may not be perfect, but it’s better beauty. It’s EWG certified. So as you’re starting to run out of things, level up, as you run out of your cleaning supply in your house, look on ewg.org and say, is it the best, or should I level up? What about your laundry detergent, level up? These are things right next to your skin. Your skin is a huge organ. It’s the largest one. And it’s in a very good organ to absorb things. So make sure your lotion is clean. Make sure your clothing doesn’t have chemicals in it. How about your dishwashing detergent? Anything that you’re using, your pans, by the way we have a free gift for the listeners, because this can feel a little bit overwhelming and so I’m pretty sure we gave you that and we’ll get to that link if not so that they can have the guide to detoxing their life ’cause here, you’re looking at oh my God, there’s everything I need to work on. Yes.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
I was just gonna ask that because I was like and sitting here and I’m like, okay, I gotta-
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I know, I see you freaking out over there. I’m like, okay.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Because I gotta, I now gotta check my pee and see what’s in it and then what do I do and throw out all of my stuff in the house and where do I get the information? So yes, I’m glad, I’m glad.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yes, fivejourneys.com/promo. It’s a free guide to detoxing your life. It’s actually not free we sell it but for the podcast and summit people, they get it for free. So, anyway, I’ve totally lost my train of thought here . Can we go back because I’ve gotten completely distracted.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We were talking about what kind of steps people would take because we were talking about supplements we were talking about just things that people have.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Thank you. So don’t fill the pump level up on as many products as you can. I do think testing is really important because I would not have known to stop pumping my own gas if I hadn’t done that test to see, I have really high levels of that. So get the data, so you know where do you wanna prioritize and then there’s this stuff that I’ll call the foundational or platform approach. Your food, ideally you want to eat real food. Michael Pollan said it right? “Eat real food, not too much.” So and I always say to people, it should look like itself. If it’s been processed beyond belief and you don’t recognize it, like if you took the cauliflower and blended it fine but when someone else did it, not so much. So to really work on minimally processed, not that much sugar, minimal alcohol, that’s the food, right? Mostly vegetables, some protein if you eat protein and minimal carbs, food, sleep. If you don’t sleep, you won’t detox. You can’t detox your brain unless you sleep. The cells actually, it’s really cool. The cells sort of shrink down as you sleep. So there’s more space for the brain to drain the toxins. It’s really cool. So you have to sleep, you have to move your body.
Sweat, sweat will cause you to get rid of toxins, move the lymph, move the body, okay? And then don’t be a stress ball because if you’re someone who’s constantly worrying, actively worrying about things, you’ll shut your detox down because detox isn’t the behavior you do when you’re running from the lion. It’s the behavior you do when you’ve survived the lion, okay? When you’re in fight flight or freeze or your fear, you’re gonna focus on survival. Survival is not a detox behavior, okay? So detox is really what you do when your body starts to feel like it’s thriving. So that’s why you have to take care of the platform of it and yes, of course, supplementation, if you know you’re someone who has MTHFR mutation like me, you would take high dose activated B vitamins so that you can methylate cause you methylate all day long, every day, every second, every nanosecond. So you wanna optimize the body so it can perform. And then you wanna target the treatment for what the problem is. So if it’s having metals, you’re going to do liver support, binders, replacement. If it’s mycotoxins it’s binders and sweating. And if it’s environmental toxins, it’s glutathione and A, C, B vitamins, phase II support. It’s different depending on what category of toxins you have so you target it.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, so if people had to eliminate stuff completely, completely from their lifestyle. So not just once in a while, but like completely, I’m thinking nail polishing here. I’m not happy about it but what would your advice me?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
So I say you can’t walk a mile in anyone else’s shoes, and so you wanna really prioritize for you. What’s that thing that you know is not in your best interest. So for some people and now a bed, you know the beds with the flame retardants is a huge source of exposure for people. So if you’re in the market for a new bed, that would be what I would prioritize is level up on the bed. So you get a bed that doesn’t have flame retardants in it. It really, you have to target the treatment to what people have. The low-hanging fruit. Yeah, when I got that report and I was high for those nail polish, I was heartbroken. I am a surgeon, I have precise hands, they don’t shake. Every Monday I had a new color, a new design. I really took pride. I did my own nails, drove my husband nuts because I did my nails and then would sit, you know, with my hands outside the covers and lie down like a zombie at night and then try not to move for an hour or two, drove him nuts, he’s like, we can’t snuggle. I’m like, no, I have to dry my nails. So that was really kind of absurd for me to not do that any longer but on the other hand, don’t fill the pump, right? So that was something I prioritized because it was a low-hanging fruit. I never dye my hair. So I didn’t have to emotionally wean off of that. But I’ll tell you, man, weaning off nail polish was hard. And I reserve the right, if someone gets married that I’ll put nail polish on, right? You know, like this isn’t perfection. This is just try not to fill the pump most of the time, but it’s not about perfection, okay? For some people it’s going to be and the other thing is with mycotoxins, if you’re being exposed actively to mycotoxin in your home, that would be a huge priority. So often people who have water damaged buildings or a very wet basement, those are really big priorities because those are pro cancer causing and those are immune suppressing and those are gonna really make sick. So you have to prioritize whatever that thing is that you can handle and that’s most important that you’re being exposed to.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
So how does somebody just detox? You hear about charcoal and you hear about this and you hear about that and chelation but how do a person detox?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
We do all of those in our practice. And what I would say is no woman is an island. Don’t do this alone. You know, work with a functional medicine provider, get the data, get a plan, get a sustainable plan, right? Cause this detox is not for the faint of heart.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, right.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
It’s a lot of work. I started my process in April, of 2019 and we are coming up on three years. It’s hard work and you can do it successively, or you can do it all at once. But it is something that requires a lot of thought. So yes, all of the above chelation, binders, activated charcoal, we use well coal, which is a cholesterol agent actually kind of randomly. It’s terrible. It doesn’t work to bring your cholesterol down, but it’s great for ochratoxin. So we use it. Sauna therapy, infrared BioMats, magnetic therapy, all of PEMF, all of these things are ways to move the toxins. And so it really depends it’s targeted. You know, some of it we have to target the treatment for what can people handle? You know, I’m hardcore. I was like, I’m just doing all of it. Okay. Well, that’s an awful approach if you’re overwhelmed, right?
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
And if you don’t have any family support, like I have a lot of family support. I come home, I do something and they know I need 10 minutes before I can eat because I gotta wait. I just took my thing. You really need to design the treatment in a way that’s gonna work for you. Only one size fits you. So we have protocols, but I always say this, and I’m like you’re a sensitive soul. I’m totally tweaking your protocol ’cause what fits that person is not gonna fit you. You’re gonna be sick and the goal is not sick. The goal is better.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, right. So it’s like PMF. When we tell somebody to start PMF, high intensity PMF, you gotta build yourself up to it. You’re not gonna go all in and go all 100% the very first day. you’re gonna have to get up and while a detox process happens with the PMF or the detox program, people have symptoms and they might end up feeling worse one day and they’ll be like, it is that PMF that did it or what kinda the stuff that you gave them that did it but you gotta kinda each person, it’s an individual effort.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah, you have to honor what the body needs and so-
Marlene Mahipat, DC
I like that.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
In retrospect, I’m like the worst patient, right? I’m like, I’ll go hardcore into everything. You know, there’s a reason it says, take a quarter of a chlorella tab. You can react. I was like, well, okay, whatever. I took two tabs, bad patient, bad doctor. Right? Bad doctor. And I had to react, I was like, I’m having lots of hot flashes. You can have reactions too slowly.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Yeah, I was doing juicing years ago and I decided I was gonna do the liver detox and I was juicing beets and they say, just do a little beet and mix it with something. No, I did a whole beet and drank the whole glass and then I pass it on the floor.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Oh, you’re my soul sister.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
You know, hardcore, you know, there’s is no going in easily.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
No, but I say to people, I made all the mistakes so you don’t have to. Don’t do what I did, your doctor’s a very bad patient. Do not do what I did. Do what works for you.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Right, right.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Be nice to yourself.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
Be nice to yourself. So if you had to say to somebody, if they had to choose one thing to do differently, that can help themselves as well as the environment, what would you say?
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Well, I have to make some presumptions here right. I have to qualify that. So like, I can’t commit. I only committed for 50 years in marriage. I could not commit for life. I was like, that I can’t. So I have a commitment issue. So assuming that you’ve dealt and addressed the platform, your food is optimized. You don’t drink alcohol. You don’t eat sugar. You sleep well. You do something to move your body and move the lymph and you’re not a stress ball, right? The platform. Assuming you’ve done the platform, then probably the most impactful would be to understand where are you most getting exposed. And then, but what you’re adding in that layer of what’s the best for the environment my vote is get rid of plastics, stop using plastics, don’t buy plastics. Try to eliminate plastics from your… actually I changed my mind. Single use plastic water bottles. You know, pull and spring because they’re endocrine disruptive. They never degrade. So they’re bad for you, they’re bad for the environment. That would be the one thing that I would say, don’t do that.
And then you come back and say, well, we’ve already done that. Then I go, okay, get rid of all the plastic in your house. You know, for example, we use parchment paper for to put on top, you know, I’ll make a lasagna and then like wait, I gotta cover it. I don’t wanna put plastic on that, parchment paper. Cause it’s not leeching. No, some of the aluminum foil sometimes will leach. So parchment paper, and then we cover it with aluminum. Just so that it’s ’cause you can’t, parchment paper doesn’t crease. It’s very annoying. So, I would take, get rid of plastics, get rid of plastics in your environment. Try not to use syringe wrap plastic bags, do your best. You know, I mean I have kids who have lost all of their bags, you know, those reusable bags. So I was like, okay, I’ve lost that war. Right, I’ve lost the war. So do your best, right? Perfection is not gonna happen. Just do your best. Pick your battles. That’s not a battle I picked, I picked the battle of, we’re not gonna microwave our food and there’s no plastic. We’re not storing our food in plastic. That’s the one I picked.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
See, I like that because I think when you think about plastic, you think about how many things actually are in plastic. And if you can just eliminate it, I think that’s a good one lifestyle thing.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I was just listening this morning, Marlene, to report on NPR and it said, they were talking about how all of this plastic gets shipped to other countries and then those other countries have to deal with it. It it’s part of the recycling program, except one ton of plastic burning creates two and a half tons of toxic gasses and I was like, well, that ratio doesn’t seem very good.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
No.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
When you think about it. So the plastic in trying to get rid of it, we’re creating an even bigger problem. So I would say plastic.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
And I think if we all did all part and each person chose that as their little lifestyle change, I think will be good. Good to go.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
Yeah.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
This was actually quite enjoyable.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
You’re surprised.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
You know, I didn’t really know what to expect and toxins and I’m a germophobe so anything talking about toxins and dirty, anything kind of makes me a little weird. So this was good. This actually was a good dirty. Thank you so much, Wendie. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
My pleasure.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
And tell Ed, his book is in the mail.
Wendie Trubow, M.D., M.B.A.
I will, thank you so much, Marlene. This is great.
Marlene Mahipat, DC
You are so welcome, so welcome. Thank you.
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