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William Pawluk, MD, MSc, author of “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF therapy”, was recently a holistic doctor near Baltimore, MD. Previous academic positions at Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. Training: acupuncture, homeopathy, hypnosis, energy medicine, nutrition and bodywork. Considered the foremost authority on the practical use of Pulsed Electromagnetic... Read More
Kevin Conners, DPSc, FICT, FAARFM
Dr. Kevin Conners is the Clinic Director at Conners Clinic, an Alternative Cancer Treatment center. He graduated with his doctorate from Northwestern Health Sciences University in 1986 and has been studying alternative cancer care for over 23 years. He also holds AMA Fellowships and Board Certifications in Anti-Aging Medicine, Regenerative... Read More
- PEMF can be a valuable tool to increase the health of your immune response, vital when fighting cancer. It can support cancer patients that deal with other coexisting problems such as pain and fatigue, and can support healthy cells and protect them from the ravaging effects of chemo and radiation.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
This is Dr. Pawluk. This episode today is about Pulsed Magnetic Field in the healing summit as part of the use of PEMF with cancer. I have with me today, Dr. Kevin Conners, who’s a exceptional physician, who’s also a survivor himself, if you want, will hopefully share with us his own journey, his own experience. And he has used PEMFs in his practice along with many other modalities for quite some time. So rather than me telling his story, Dr. Conners, if you wouldn’t please mind sharing with us your history, how you got to where you are today and let’s educate everybody.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Okay. Well, I graduated back in 1986 from chiropractic school. So I graduated really as a functional medical practitioner, though, we didn’t use that term back then, more of a holistic type practitioner. I did a lot of applied kinesiology, a lot of nutritional work, did a lot of George Goodheart’s work and therapy with patients. I did use modalities. So in the chiropractic world, I would’ve been considered a mixer and believe that modalities served a great purpose, as well as correcting people’s subluxations. And I was always intrigued with Rife technology with Royal Rife’s work. And it wasn’t until in the late ’90s, when a cancer patient came into my office and was given three months to live, and we started her with a Rife and she lived another 13 years. I’ve shared that story many times with listeners. But since then we’ve added multiple different modalities and PEMF is certainly one of those that I think could be very beneficial for everybody, including cancer patients. But our practice has really morphed how God just moved us in the direction of mainly seeing cancer patients. So, really, that’s the majority of people that come to us have cancer. I have written some books on lyme disease. I’ve written some books on autoimmune disease. So we do still see some patients with those kind of conditions but primarily cancer. And that’s what we’re gonna talk about today, I think, right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Correct. Again, we can mix in and add other things. As we spoke before we started the interview, treating cancer requires multiple modalities. I think it’s folly to try to treat cancer with only one approach. Cancers have a way of defeating any single thing you throw at them. Out of all the processes that go on in the body, they’re probably the most robust in defending themselves.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, I would agree. There’s times that I get calls from practitioners saying, well, what’s your protocol for prostate cancer or something? Well, we don’t have a protocol for prostate cancer. Everybody’s an individual and you can’t just take one supplement and have your prostate cancer go away. And it angers me when I see that on social media where somebody will post something that curcumin kills 98% of cancer cells. Here’s the study or something. And it’s like, well, yeah, anything will kill 98% of cancer cells in a Petri dish. But when you’re dealing with a human body, it isn’t just a dietary approach. It isn’t just a, you know, we’re gonna go ketogenic and that’s gonna solve the problem. Certainly, not just a supplement approach. It’s certainly not just adding one therapy equipment. It’s a multi-facet approach that you have to do and that’s really what holistic treatment or holistic medicine began as. And we can’t lose sight of that, that you have to treat the whole body in as many different of those facets as possible.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And so let’s go back to your history. You have your own journey with cancer. Would you mind sharing that with us?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, it’ll be five years this April. I believe that, yeah, so that’s my journey started out. I have a type of cancer that doesn’t respond to chemotherapy very well. So it was easy for me to make the decision to not go that route. And understand we do a natural approach. We don’t do chemo and radiation and surgery in our office, obviously, but we have patients that have done that or are doing that. And we don’t take this dogmatic stance against it. If it is the right decision for that patient then by all means we wanna support them through that decision and using different modalities like we’re gonna talk about today can really help a person get through the side effects of that decision-making process too. So I didn’t do chemo or radiation or surgery. That was my choice. And there was some dark times in my cancer journey. I share that very openly on our website. I have a tab that says my cancer journey and there was times that I didn’t think I was gonna make it for another month. But I did, so, and I give God the credit for that. I’m not the healer, but he does use tools. So I used the PEMF. I used the Rife machine daily. I used nutrition and I used diet and I used a spiritual connection with God that enabled me to get through that, and changing my attitude. And I share a lot of that. I made a series of videos and I really need to update it, ’cause probably some people will look at that and think I’m dead because I haven’t updated it for about a year and a half because I’m doing so much better. I felt like I went into remission about 10 months ago and had a good scan that just showed some lesions in my liver left. And I hope that I’m doing better, and I have a cancer that I can kind of tell how I’m doing because of symptoms. And I still have pain at different times, but I’m doing well. And I’ve been able to overcome it through the use of different modalities, so.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
I mean your type of cancer, what’s the usual prognosis for it, giving conventional treatments?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, at stage four, which I was in, when I was diagnosed, Mayo had just finished a study about two years prior to that, that they were all excited because this reused chemotherapy, that wasn’t used for this type of cancer previously. One, I think they did 10 or 12 people in this study. And one person lived like 14 months or 16 months or something. And that was like a huge win that this person lived 16 months. Well, if you really read into the study, this person started on this, I can’t remember what the name of the drug was, it was a reused older chemotherapy and it put him in remission, but then the cancer came back and he was offered it again and he refused it. All the other participants in the study had died at this point and he refused it, which told me, huh, this probably was such a horrific treatment that he wasn’t willing to go through it again. He would rather have just died. And I know what that’s like, and I have patients in that situation too, but that was an easy decision for me to make that well, okay, I’m not going that route. So yeah, the average life expectancy of people diagnosed at my stage is a year or two and it has about the same prognosis as pancreatic cancer. So I will be five years this year and, God willing, I’ll continue to be able to try to help people with the lessons that God has taught me through this and the experience that I’ve gained through this and through all my other patients. So I learned from all the patients that God sends our way. They are my biggest teaching tool. And as we try to do everything we can to improve their survival and their quality of life, we learn something new every day and we try to apply that then to the next person.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s fantastic. That’s certainly consonant with my philosophy and approach as well. And I’m essentially a functional medicine doctor in addition to being an expert in PEMF. Well, let’s go back for a second. You said you started with chiropractic and then, at some point, you decided to transition to become an MD and you went to medical school-
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
No, I didn’t, I’m not an MD. So I did not go to medical school. So I have AMA fellowships, but I’m not a medical doctor.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No problem. Well, that’s wonderful. Actually, I don’t find most medical doctors to be that up to mark. That’s an advantage to your patients that maybe you’re not really close-minded, like most MDs are. So let’s go through the transition of what modalities you added over time and why you added one modality after another in a sense in your-
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Okay. Well, in my practice, we always had electrical stim, but it wasn’t PEMF. It was Russian stim and EMS and things like that. So because we were dealing with people with pain. So when I was in a chiropractic-type setting, we had patients with back pain, disc pain, things like that, and electrical stim could be extremely beneficial to deal with pain. We had other modalities like ultrasound, which help with inflammation, and what other type of modalities did we use, laser. We still have laser, co-laser therapy, that we use for pain. That can be very beneficial. That can be really good to increase healing and reduce healing time. But when I started my journey through taking care of cancer patients, I was really drawn to Rife technology. So all these therapies that I discussed are using frequencies. And if you understand quantum physics about as deep as I do, which is pretty much nothing, you do understand that everything down to its smallest component is energy that’s vibrating in a specific frequency. So all our cells are vibrating in a frequency. Our organs are vibrating in a frequency. Everything’s vibrating at a frequency. So if you could utilize frequencies to help heal then it makes sense. So there’s people smarter than I that have developed different frequency sets for different tools and modes of healing. And that’s really what we’re doing with PEMF and with Rife. Now, Rife is different than PEMF because Rife is using light frequency and you’re getting very specific to the frequency of the tissue, where PEMF is not necessary to get specific to the frequency of tissue. It’s a totally different mode of action and it serves a different purpose. So we use light frequency. That’s what I term Rife. I know there’s other Rife machines out there that are really using electrical frequency. And, to me, that’s not how I define Rife technology. So Rife technology is using light frequency. PEMF technology is using electrical frequency and they serve different purposes. So you don’t use them necessarily exclusively. You have to use them in conjunction depending on the needs of the patient.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And this is an area of significant confusion for people, the concept of frequency versus intensity. And, as you said, I agree with you and I have a Rife machine myself, I’ve been trained in Rife and frequency specific microcurrent, which basically accomplish the same sorts of things, and the frequencies that we’re talking about, typically, for these technologies, like you said, light, tend to be very high frequencies. So many of the frequencies in the body are very low frequencies. And what we call PEMF actually is ultra low-frequency PEMF.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So high frequency would be anything over, say a 100 megahertz, but you could even consider a 1,000 hertz. So hertz is the measure of the rate of repetition of the wave form. And that’s basically higher, for most PEMF systems are way under a 1,000, sorry, under a 1,000 hertz. Most of them tend to be maybe between, say one hertz up to a 100 or 200 hertz. There aren’t too many that are above that. So again, that’s another distinction between them is that it’s not about frequency that way. So PEMFs, as you said, are not really about frequency as much as they are about intensity.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Exactly.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Intensity is a strength of the magnetic field. So the example I use is tapping on the desk. So I can have a light tap. We can do that. Then I have a big tap.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So low intensity systems are like the light tap and they provide very little force into the body. And the high intensity provide a lot more force into the body. And that gets into a whole other discussion about Faraday’s Law.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So how did you, as you went through, you started with Rife and started with supplements and nutrition and so on, which are all fundamental to the use of PEMFs or to healing, how did you gravitate to magnetic therapy?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
With PEMF therapy?
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Adding that into your modalities?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, again, we’re always constantly looking for what else is gonna be best to help the person. So Rife technology is getting specific to hit the cancer cell at its own very specific frequency so that it vibrates and either the immune system takes another look at it to be able to kill that cancer cell. Cancer patients are dealing with other morbidities. So they have pain, they have inflammation. They have low cell charge, all these other things that you can’t just not treat. So you want to help this patient as many different ways as possible. In a magical world, I guess you could erase the cancer, but the person still has other morbidities that could lead to their death or lead to a lot of low quality of life. So you have to treat the person as a whole again. So as you’re experiencing that, you’re always looking for what else can I do to help this person? So, and then PEMF, that’s when PEMF was starting to come in the field. And how I got to know about PEMF was through a seminar that I was going to, constantly trying to learn and gain new knowledge. So as, oh, well, hey, let’s get this. Like maybe this can help people. And we found that it did. So we continued to add on. Initially, our first PEMF unit that we got was a low Gauss PEMF, but I won’t name the product. But there was a lower Gauss PEMF and it was some help with our cancer patients with the morbidities that they were dealing with. And then I found out about a higher Gauss PEMF and we noticed big, significant changes using that with our cancer patients. And I think there’s a place for both of ’em. Personally, I think the two different types of PEMF are really completely different pieces of therapy serving different needs. But with most of our cancer patients, we recommend a higher Gauss PEMF.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that’s certainly my experience as well. I started working with magnetic fields that were very low intensity, less than one Gauss. So Gauss is a measure of magnetic field intensity. So by comparison, the Earth’s magnetic field, typically, the Earth has its own magnetic field, and the Earth’s magnetic field is, typically, around half a Gauss. And an MRI machine gets upwards of 10,000, 20,000, 30,000 Gauss. So MRIs have been found to be extraordinarily safe and, of course, very, very useful. So they’re not harmful. We know that those high intensities can actually be healing, can actually be used to help people. So very low intensities can tickle the system. And my own experience and journey with PEMFs is that I started with PEMF as a substitute for acupuncture. And magnetic fields applied to acupuncture points and meridians stimulated the whole acupuncture system. And when you lay on a whole body pad, you’re basically stimulating the whole acupuncture system all at once, even though it’s relatively low intensity, there is some of that stimulation. So I agree with you. There’s a place for each of them and you have to target the kind of PEMF you’re using for the particular problem that you’re trying to deal with.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, I agree.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So what has been your experience then in terms of what value the PEMFs added to your practice, added to your patients?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, we have patients that come to us that have a low Gauss PEMF unit already. They purchased it prior to coming to us and they’ve experienced some benefits of feeling better, helping with fatigue, helping with body energy and things like that. But as a person kind of gets ravaged through the cancer cycle, whether or not they’re doing standards of care or not, you could really get some fatigue and that’s where a higher Gauss unit is going to help with that. So the way I explain to people is that everybody’s cells have a cell charge. You could actually measure a cell charge. It’s called your phase angle. And as a person’s phase angle or cell charge depletes their level of morbidities, like fatigue, just complete lack of energy, lack of appetite that starts to decrease. And then they get in a negative cycle because you’re not eating well. You’re nauseous. You’re not feeling well. You’re not getting energy from the chemistry, from your food, but also the electrical energy and your cell is going down with it. So you got this negative cycle that needs to be broken. Where the PEMF can be really helpful is you’re adding that charge back to the cell membrane to help a person be able to start eating more food or helping them gain weight and helping them get the chemistry from the food that’s gonna help with that whole thing. So you’re just, you’re again, the big, the ball of a lot of different facets on it, you’re trying to hit just another area that can help break that negative loop or that negative cycle.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that’s why it also works with the supplements. ‘Cause it actually makes the supplements work better in the body. So your body, you talk about treatments to the cell, the magnetic field helps the cell membrane to be able to absorb nutrients better, right?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, right, ’cause if you don’t have that cell charge, the cell starts to dysfunction. So the receptors don’t work right on the cells. You’re not gonna be able to absorb things through the cell membrane like nutrients and it just becomes disrupted.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
There is an elephant in the room when it comes to PEMFs and I’m sure you deal with this elephant all the time as well. People say, well, this is EMF, this is bad for you. I’m supposed to avoid EMF.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Oh, yeah, right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What’s your take on that?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, there are good and bad frequencies. So that is true ’cause everything is a frequency and you could Google electromagnetic spectrum. Sunlight falls into there. Visible light falls into there. Audio falls into that spectrum. And then dangerous, radiation, cell-ionizing frequencies fall into that spectrum. And you don’t utilize those frequencies and EMFs fall into that spectrum too. So these are not dangerous frequencies. Again, you have to remember everything is a frequency. So your cells are vibrating in a specific frequency and that’s not unhealthy. That is normal. That is healthy. And it’s when they stop vibrating at the correct frequency that ill health comes into being from a frequency perspective. So you need to bring back cell resonance to that cell, so it starts functioning like a normal cell again. And that’s what you are doing. So you are picking up energy from everything in your environment. EMFs are bringing in what you could call a negative energy. It’s actually a positive charge and you need to disperse that. So that’s where PEMF and Rife and grounding are all beneficial tools to bring back health and bring back your normal charge of your body.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
One of the problems that people have with PEMFs is they think that PEMFs are the same as EMFs in terms of, as you mentioned, frequency, but there’s an important component to frequency relative to PEMFs versus EMFs, and EMFs basically are broadcasts into space. That’s why wavelength becomes important. Those are wavelengths like radio signal, television signals and radar, and so on. Well, PEMFs, the way they’re generated is they’re generated by a pulse, an electrical pulse flowing through a wire. And we know that current flowing through a wire produces a magnetic field, which is the right-hand rule. But what that is is they, the EMFs going into space like microwaves for your cell phones and so on, are dispersed into space. That’s called open loop. Whereas PEMFs, because they’re bound by a wire, are bound by the wire. So, in other words, the PEMF field goes out and comes back in again, out and it collapses back on itself. So it forms a loop, a closed loop. Whereas EMFs are an open loop. They’re broadcast into the environment and the air. So, basically, there’s no wavelength involved in a PEMF. There can be a pulse rate, which some people equate to frequency, but it’s not really a frequency in the same way as a wave length.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Is that a free that, the pulse rate is not a frequency going through it. If that’s speaking of frequency in timed increments.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s correct.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Not in a wave that’s going through you.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Not a wave going through. So, therefore, it has a complete different characteristic in the body. Again, it collapses back on itself. It goes out into the body and comes right back on itself. Now, it can do that extraordinarily rapidly, depending on the frequency of the pulse. So you could have a pulse rate in a magnetic field, a high-tested magnetic field system, that’s maybe five cycles per second. And some people equate cycles per second to frequency, but the true technical term for it should be pulse rate, pulse per second. So it’s much safer ’cause it doesn’t go, other than coming back it basically negates itself by coming back, but then you can stimulate it again. So every time the pulse goes out, you get this wave of action going into the body based on Faraday’s law. And that action going into the body based on Faraday’s law relates to what you said about the increasing charge in the body. So that charge is what the PEMFs do. It’s the creation of charge in the body that creates the vitality that creates the electromagnetic actions in the tissues themselves. And magnetic fields due to Maxwell’s equations, they interact with charge. They go back and forth. Charge creates magnetic fields and magnetic fields stimulate charge by interacting with charge. So one amplifies the other.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So that’s an important distinction again that most people just don’t understand. And that’s a subject that has to be discussed. And when we talk about PEMFs and cancer, because, obviously, people are worried about environmental magnetic fields and cancer. And do you recommend people have a cell phone by their bed when they have cancer?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, right, you want to put that in some sort of Faraday cage, so you’re not getting-
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Or put it on airplane.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Exposure. Put it on airplane mode or keep it in the other room or turn the thing off.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Or have your wifi turned off when you go to bed at night.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Exactly, yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, and, in fact, if you’re not using the wifi, if you’re not on the computer, you should turn your wifi off.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah. Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Still broadcasting through the whole house.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right, yep, exactly.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, so that’s part of the mitigation process as well is just to turn that off. So how do you think about PEMFs and how they work with chemo?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, I think PEMFs will help. So chemo is gonna end up with negative effects on the person’s body, right? So chemo is a poison, basically. You’re trying to poison the cancer cells before you poison the patient. And I know that’s simplification, but that’s really exactly what’s happening. So chemo is an oxidizing agent.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You’re doing it on purpose.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yes, so you’re hopefully dosing it to the right point where you’re gonna, you know, the idea is that cancer cells are more highly metabolic than a healthy cell. So it’s hungrier, you could say. So the cancer cells are gonna uptake the chemo faster. The problem is, is there’s other cell lines in your body that are hungry all the time too, highly metabolic all the time too. That’s your hair follicles. That’s why people lose their hair when they do chemo and their immune system. Well, that’s not a good thing. So what, you could lose your hair, but you’re gonna kill your immune system. That’s why when you do chemo, you get your white blood cell count tested that day, the morning of the chemo to see if you qualify for chemo that day, because if your white blood cell count is too low, then you can’t do chemo. Why? Because chemo destroys your immune system. And we have to keep that balance, so that we don’t destroy it too fast, while we’re also trying to destroy the cancer. So that’s the purpose of chemo. I’m not knocking it, but that just is what’s going on. So you’re damaging healthy cells when you do chemo because chemo is really gonna be uptaken by cancer cells, you know, majority of them for the first 48 hours and the longer chemo hangs out in your body, which has to do with the health of your detoxification pathways, chemo’s just gonna damage healthy cells. So using modalities like PEMF when a person is doing chemo, does a couple things. Number one, it’s gonna add cell charge to all your cells. So it’s gonna make those cells healthier to be able to withstand the chemical assault of chemo. It’s gonna also help with liver function. So when a person is doing chemo and they have a PEMF, we recommend doing it over your liver with the loops, if you have loops with your PEMF unit, because you do wanna support liver detoxification pathways and your liver detoxification pathways is relevant to the health of your genetics of your liver. It’s relevant to how overwhelmed your liver is at any particular point, dealing with other toxins in the environment and that specific toxic load that is chemo that you’re doing, that you did, you know, 48 hours ago or whatever, is going to overwhelm the liver. So if you can support the liver with PEMF, with hot packs, with caster oil packs, with coffee enemas, with supporting, with specific nutrition, anything you can do to support that liver flow, that bile production, that rate of detoxification in the liver to get that out, the better you’re gonna be. You’re gonna have less morbidity from the chemotherapy.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And what actually research has found as well, interestingly enough, that magnetic field therapy can actually make the chemo more effective.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, well, because it will help the, you think, oh, well, I don’t wanna do something that’s gonna help my cancer cells survive. Well, you’re not. You’re helping the cell membranes work better. So you’re actually helping the cancer cells uptake the chemo faster. So, and it’s the same thing with the Rife. I say it will help the chemo target the cancer cells when you hit them with their own frequency. So anything you can do, if you’re going to do chemo, you want the chemo to kill the cancer cells. So anything you could do to help cancer cells uptake the chemo, the better off you’re gonna be ’cause it’s gonna do its job better.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah, if we could get the oncologists to agree to decrease the dose of the chemo and apply magnetic field therapy at the same time, then probably we’d get the same results with less toxicity and less harm to the body. But that’s not gonna happen. At least not in our time probably.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, it’s interesting because there’s new studies out with what they call tumor treating fields. I’m sure you’ve looked at that. And it’s, basically, using PEMF while they’re doing chemotherapy. And those patients are living longer. And in almost all those studies, a large percentage of them, a considerable percentage are living longer, healthier lives using these tumor treating fields. That’s what they’re calling it while they’re doing chemotherapy. Now, the thing is, it’s funny that you’ll never see a study funded just using PEMF instead of chemotherapy or using Rife instead of chemotherapy or using nutrition instead of chemotherapy. They will not get a penny of the funds on the study. It’s all with the standard of care, giving this and this and this chemotherapy, we use tumor treating fields and actually we got these great results. So it’s adding that modality instead of, like you said, let’s try doing it with a lower dose chemo. Let’s try it, maybe it works with no chemo. Maybe it’s actually gonna work better. We’ll never get that funding on that study. But at least we got some studies with concurrent standards of care. So that helps.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The TTFs are FDA-approved to be used for treatment resistant glioblastoma.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right. Yep.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
That’s the only indication that they have for it. Now, they’re doing a lot of research on other kinds of cancers as well, but you’re right. They’re limited by virtue of what, in quotes, “the standard of care is”, ’cause you don’t wanna disrupt the oncology community.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Oh no, no, no. There’s too much money to be made there.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, so that’s not gonna happen. Now, magnetic field therapy can also, as you said, two key points, one is that it’ll help the chemo to work better. But more importantly, people who do magnetic field therapy during chemo, and most oncologists will tell you don’t do magnetic field therapy during chemo, but you and I, we can tell people, you can do magnetic field therapy relative to chemo. But you can’t ask them for permission ’cause they don’t know a thing about it.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, it’s the same thing when they say, don’t take any supplements. We’re gonna do chemotherapy. Don’t take anything. They just don’t know what they’re talking about. I’m sorry, but.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And they don’t, and if you happen to be in a clinical study, for sure, you’re not supposed to do anything else, but what the clinical study says you should be doing. That’s automatically a limiting factor for you. Now, what about radiation and magnetic field therapy?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
What about using PEMF with radiation? Well, it’s really the same thing. So radiation is more of a, so the difference between radiation and chemotherapy is chemotherapy is obviously using chemicals. So it’s using the body chemistry, using chemistry in the body and it’s affecting the body’s chemistry. Radiation is more of a direct kill. Again, what is radiation? It is an electromagnetic field, right? It’s just in the ionizing spectrum, meaning it’s going to kill cells and you need to do everything you possibly can to keep cells alive. So radiation is sent on a beam, right? It’s not just like put in the body and it’s gonna only affect that cell.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Not a laser beam.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, it’s going right through you all the way through, outside, into the room and bouncing off land walls all over the place. And, I don’t know, just continues to bounce off land walls. And then you’re hoping to concentrate it at a certain site as you shoot beams in at different angles, getting right to that specific site. So where all those beams crossed, you’re gonna have a greater amount of radiation and, therefore, a greater amount of kill rate at that time. But it’s like saying we’re gonna drop a bomb on Nagasaki and it’s only gonna kill X amount of people. Well, you have all this collateral damage that goes along with radiation that can be experienced. And much of it is experienced years and even decades later with cancers, melanomas, squamous cell cancers, et cetera, on the skin and other tumors at that site of radiation or at that collateral damage where that radiation was. And not just cancers, but it just damages cells that are gonna have dysfunction because of that. So anything you can do to, basically, heal those cells and bring them back to resonance, to be able to bring back to function, you’re gonna better off, that patient’s gonna be in a better state.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And radiation also causes cancer.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, well, it is, it causes cancer. You know, people, they talk about the sun causing cancer. Well, yeah, if you’re out in the sun and you’re burning your skin all the time, that can be a cause of cancer ’cause you’re to the degree where there’s burns taking place. And yet they’re condoning radiation and it is killing the cells, but it’s actually a slow kill to all the other cells that might not have been in the direct path.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
But that goes to an important point. You started talking about with your entry into PEMF therapy is whole body magnetic therapy. So the concept of whole body magnetic therapy becomes very important with radiation because it’s not just the collateral damage. It’s not the actual cells that are getting damaged, but it’s the cells that are marginal to even those cells that are getting genetic damage that can eventually transform into other cancers. So when you’re doing whole body magnetic field therapy before the radiation, you’re increasing something called heat-stress proteins, and the heat-stress proteins protect the cell from damage. So what you’re doing is, if you go outside, if you’re gonna decide to sun bathe, you’re gonna go to Florida, you’re gonna do sunbathing. The recommendation is that you spend 10 or 15 minutes in the sun the first day, that’s it. And then the next day, you could do the full dose. Well, why 10 or 15 minutes in the sun the day before? Heat-shock protein. ‘Cause you’re activating heat-stress protein in the tissues, which then protects the tissues from the further radiation they’re gonna get.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, and everybody could experience that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
The same thing.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Everybody’s experienced that, at least in Minnesota, we’re not out in the sun all winter long. And when you go out in the sun in the summer, you have to gradually accommodate your body to that. And then you could, basically, be out there with no shirt on working in the garden all day long and you don’t burn because of that reason. And that’s really why you would do PEMF. It’s a good example of why you would do PEMF to just add that cell charge, so that you can tolerate damage from radiation. And you can tolerate damage from negative chemistry, poisons, toxins in your environment. You can tolerate damage from other EMFs. You’re gonna better be able to, you take that same concept, you’re gonna better be able to resist damage from damaging electromagnetic fields, like your cell phone and cell phone towers and such. If you’re adding that charge to your body, you’re just, basically, building, kind of like building your immune system, but building your electrical resistance against those kind of damages.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So if you own your own magnetic system and its whole body, you’re gonna have what kinds of benefits from that, if you can do it every day?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, it’s like you’re strengthening your immune system from a chemistry standpoint. But from an electrical charge standpoint, you’re strengthening your ability to deal with the damaging effects of everything in life. So the damaging effects of everything in life are, okay, you got EMFs from cell phone towers and your dirty electricity in your house and your cell phones themselves and your wifi and all these radio waves and TV waves that are going through your body. Those are damaging to your cells. You have damaging effects from your poor chemistry, your choices in diet, the pesticides and herbicides that you’re exposed to and chemicals that you’re exposed to. You need to have tools that are going to bring back charge and boost your body’s ability to deal with all these insults in your environment. That’s the benefit of really having a home PEMF unit. Even if you don’t have ill health in your mind right now, you’re just strengthening your body against these things.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And not just cancer, obviously, just in general.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yes, right, yes.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What is your understanding about PEMFs and inflammation?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, that is one of the biggest reasons why a person seeks use of PEMF, I think, and I think there’s PEMF clinics and doctors and chiropractors and physical therapists that use PEMF mainly for that reason, for inflammation, for pain, because inflammation is the number one cause of pain and it can help decrease inflammation. So that’s one of the biggest reasons why our patients, I mean, you can tell them all these things, that it’s gonna help with cell charge, and all this stuff, but a lot of that is kind of woo-hoo to a lot of people, but til they have a symptom, then they’re motivated to go, whoa, maybe I need to look at getting one of those too or utilizing it in my doctor’s office more frequently or something like that. So when you have a symptom, pain is the number one motivating symptom probably out there. PEMF works fantastic for that.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
What is the role of inflammation and cancer?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, multifold. So chronic ramped up inflammation, meaning like because of toxins in that person’s body or because of all the insults that we’ve been discussing here, can increase what are called pro-inflammatory cytokines. So you get this increase, ramped-up inflammation that is not good inflammation. So there is good and bad inflammation. Nothing is just bad in your body and nothing is just good in your body. So good inflammation is that you have this pro positive immune stimulation due to infectious agent that you’re exposed to. So you are exposed to a virus, you get this ramped up inflammatory response. That is a T-cell macrophage response that kills that virus. And then it comes back down through what are called your T-regulatory cells. But when you have this constant ramped up, pro-inflammatory response due to all sorts of things in your environment, stress can even be a piece of that, then that can hinder an immune response against a pathogen. And, when you talk about cancer, it can severely hinder your immune response against a growing cancer. So all of us have cancer that’s growing inside of us because of something that interrupts the cell nucleus and now it’s in a state of rapid replication. That’s the definition of cancer. When that takes place, our immune system should go, huh, that doesn’t look right. I’m not supposed to fire against my normal cells, but there’s something wrong with that growing mass of now hundreds and thousand cells big, you should have a T-cell response that should kill that cancer. But if that cancer is surrounded by inflammation, your macrophages, your natural killer cells are hindered at even getting in there to attack it and cancer, as it grows, causes inflammation. So as a cancer is growing and those cells are replicating, they’re in a state of rapid replication, they’re gonna produce that much more waste than a normal cell would produce, overwhelming your lymphatic ability to get rid of that waste. And that waste is this inflammatory muck in the extracellular space that then hinders my immune cells’ ability to even get at it physically to get at the cancer to kill it. So using anything you can to decrease inflammation, from natural nutraceuticals that can help decrease inflammation like the flavonoids, curcumin, resveratrol, green T extract, things like that, and tools that could decrease inflammation like PEMF can help your, if you have a healthy immune response, which PEMF will help stimulate that as well, if you have a healthy immune response that will help the immune system to be able to get at the cancer to kill it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So one of the problems that I have is with the concept of survivorship. I don’t know if you have that concern about survivorship. I don’t like that concept because it leads people to believe that you’re done. Once you’ve had your treatment, you’re a survivor, you’re done. You don’t have to anything else. Right, to go back to the inflammation that you were talking about, you had inflammation long before you got your cancer. Right, years, decades, maybe even, maybe even a lifetime before you actually got your cancer because the inflammation leads to the cancer, but then the inflammation continues. In other words, you’ve done your treatment for your cancer, but you haven’t removed the problem, which is the chronic inflammation. And so that continues after the cancer. So you survive the episode of treatment for your cancer, whatever that treatment episode was. But then we have to go back and continue to think that we have a chronic problem.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. And then, basically, from then on, we make lifestyle changes and life changes that are going to continue to help us to prevent metastases, but also prevent other cancers from happening, and recover and survive.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, and it’s even worse if you go through standards of care. So if you do go through surgery and radiation and chemotherapy, you are gonna now even have to be more diligent in decreasing these pro-inflammatory cytokines for a lifetime. Because as much as you’d like to think that, oh, my body’s gonna detox this chemotherapy, you’re never gonna get all rid of it. You’re never gonna get rid of all of it. It’s not gonna be possible. And radiation, you are never, ever gonna get rid of that radiation because that radiation is an ionizing frequency in itself that’s affecting those cells and it can worsen over time. That’s why people get full skull radiation for a brain cancer, it’s just a given their IQ is gonna go down over time. It’s not gonna get better. It’s going to continue to get worse. So anything that you can do to boost that decrease in inflammation, that you can boost detoxification, that you can add cell charge over a lifetime. That’s why people will come to us and they’ll say, well, how long do I have to use the Rife or the PEMF or the, it’s like, uh, forever. You know? And sometimes they’re taken aback by that, ’cause we live in this world in standards of care that think, oh, you have this problem, you do this and it’s all gone and it’s all better. Instead of understanding the more holistic picture of it, you have this problem because of all your choices in the past and it’s not gonna be just to do this and you’re fixed. You have to make those lifestyle changes and do the right thing moving forward or you’re gonna end up in the same pickle again. And we see that over and over.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Or worse.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Now, do you think PEMFs cause harm?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, you could use a tool the wrong way. You put it over your head and you crank it up all the entire time, or if you took the machine and you smashed it over your friend’s head, it’s gonna cause harm. But no, it’s a tool, and a tool used the correct way, I don’t think you could cause harm with the PEMF. If you use it correctly, there’s no downsides whatsoever.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And I think that’s what the research is showing, it’s very hard to do harm with magnetic fields. If anything, I’ve found over time as well, magnetic fields reveal problems. They don’t cause problems. And if they do cause problems, usually it’s because you’re using it the wrong way, temporarily, until finally the body, you design the right protocol for what you need at the time, right? And it becomes like athletic training. You don’t get off the couch and run a marathon tomorrow.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, you gotta properly introduce the therapy so that the body can handle the stimulation until finally it’s reached an optimal point of function and then probably doesn’t matter what you do.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So I don’t think cancer patients can harm themselves with PEMFs either.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
No, no, no, they can’t. I mean, there’s no really downside in it.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
You haven’t seen any significant downsides, have you?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Oh no, no, not at all.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
No, no, neither have I and I’ve been working with magnetic fields for 30 years. Do you have any final thoughts on our topic?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
I know that, maybe a downside for some people is just the cost. And so we try to get people to a clinic that they can do it per session and move it in that way. We try to get ’em into a situation that maybe they can rent a unit or something like that. They do have to weigh it out with everything else in their life. This is a lifestyle change. And the beauty of having a unit in your house is that it’s not just used by one person. Maybe it’s one person at a time, but the whole family can use it. And especially in the light of everything that’s going on with current events, I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that they need to start taking charge of their own health. They need to kind of start building their own nutraceutical pharmacy in their own house. They need to start building their own clinic in their own house that their family and extended family can come to and utilize because the practice of medicine is getting more and more corrupt. It’s not getting better, it’s getting much worse. And people are starting to wake up to go, oh boy, if I gotta really take care of myself, I need to be my own advocate and keep myself healthy and gain as much knowledge as I possibly can to be able to regain health, if I go the wrong way or a family member goes the wrong way. So having this as a tool in your house I think is just another essential that people need to have. I think a Rife is essential. I think PEMF can be essential, just like I think saunas are fantastic to have, just have it building this array of tools that their family could use is just a beautiful thing.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Where do you recommend people go for information about PEMFs?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Well, I recommend they go to your site. That’s the best thing. Well, and I do like your site because you’re not biased. I mean, you carry a bunch of different products. It’s not like you’re just a rep for one thing or something like that. And you give honest advice. I mean, I was talking to you the other day and you said, well, this is a good machine. I really like this machine, but here’s the downside of that machine. Or it’s like, you’re not defending weaknesses in a product line. You’re just telling it like it is, so that we can make the best decision.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Yeah, my personal goal is to help the person. I don’t care what technology we use or what approach we use as long as we can help the person.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of misinformation online about PEMFs and, as you said, the vendors, usually it’s coming from the vendors.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Each vendor is kind of defending their product idea and their product concepts. So there’s a lot of stuff that says low intensity magnetic fields are all you should use. And there are other people who say the high intensity magnetic fields is all you should use and they’re both wrong.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, there’s a spectrum. You said at very beginning, there’s a spectrum from the very low intensity, they have their place and there’s a need for high intensity. And, in cancer, probably high intensity is probably one of the most important things. But one of the things that most people are missing is that whole body magnetic field therapy in cancer is critical.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, like we talked, as you discussed, we talked about breast cancer. And the fact that by the time a woman is discovered to have breast cancer, even though she has definitive treatment for it, mastectomy, whatever else is done around that time, 40 to 50% of women, 40 to 60% of women have been found to have breast cancer stem cells in their bones.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Oh, yeah.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
So one of the most problematic problems with breast cancer is not five years after your breast cancer, typically. It’s 10 to 20 years after your breast cancer when all of a sudden the bone metastases show up.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right. So what should you be doing? We talk about inflammation. You have to protect the whole body against inflammation, which means you need a strong enough whole body magnetic system that you’re gonna be able to use for the rest of your life.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Right, in order to truly, truly protect yourself.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yep, that’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, thank you, Dr. Conners, very illuminating. Very helpful. I’m sorry to hear about your own personal journey. I’m glad to hear you are a survivor.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yes.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
And that we hope to work with you to have you continue to live a long and fruitful life as long as you want, right?
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Yeah, that’s right, that’s right. Well, it was great. Hopefully, some people got some more information on this and are gonna make some good decisions in their life.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, having your experience is gonna be very helpful to a lot of people. I think it’s one thing to be technical and scientific and have all that knowledge, but it’s another issue to walk the journey yourself.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
Right, that’s right.
William Pawluk, M.D., MSc
Well, thank you again. God bless. Enjoy the rest of your day and spring is coming.
Kevin Conners, D.PSc., FICT, FAARFM
That’s right, that’s right.
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