Uncover Micro-Level Disease Insights Within You

Kashif Khan

Hello, everyone. Today we have the pleasure of speaking to Michael Karlfeldt, whom I have talked to many times. He’s always blowing my mind with his knowledge in terms of the inner workings of the body and some of the things that we think of on a more macro level. He can really break it down and explain to you what’s really going on. So, it’s a pleasure. Thank you for being here.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, thank you for having me. That is going to be awesome. I’m excited.

Kashif Khan

Yes, I’m always excited to talk to you because we’ve done this a few times. We even did a live webinar a couple of times with your patients and our patients. And I always learn something. We’re going to take a lot of the discussions we’ve had and are going to have around female health, including things like fasting, which has been a major focus and which a lot of women want to understand better and get into some nuances of, maybe have a may consider. For example, you’ll even use fasting to jump right into it as a tool for something like breast cancer. Right? And that’s a consideration. The context shift from here is: is wellness a functional health healing product? It’s something that can actually be therapeutic. So let’s dive into that and tell us how you use that as a tool.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. Fasting is such an incredible tool, and it’s been used for forever. It is one of these tools that is inexpensive, and the impact it has on the body is tremendous. Because if you look up on cancer, I mean, what that is is pretty much a cell that’s going rogue. And the reason why it’s gone rogue is because the toxicity that builds up within the cell gets to such a point. So it has to figure out another way to produce energy, and it has to create DNA changes within the cell to promote its own survival. And it’s kind of a toxic environment that it’s in, over and above just what’s going on within the cancer cell. You also have something called the tumor micron diamond. And that tumor microenvironment sends a signal to the cancer cells and makes them even more aggressive or less aggressive, depending on what that environment looks like. To be able to then detoxify and clean up that environment and clean up the cells, not only does that minimize the risk of cancer taking place, but it also reduces the aggressiveness of any cancer that is there. And then, what they found is that cancer cells can either shift between being dormant cells or cancer stem cells. We know cancer stem cells are the ones that really drive things like metastases. People die from just a tumor. They die from metastases when things start to go all over the place. If you can then kind of calm that microenvironment down and make it as healthy as possible, it will then send more signals to keep any kind of potential cancer cells dormant instead of turning into cancer stem cells. So that is the power of fasting: you can then promote a cleaner environment and cleaner cells to minimize the risk of them becoming cancerous and also to minimize dangerous signaling from the environment around the cancer as is. One can be as calm, anti-inflammatory, and non-stimulatory as possible.

Kashif Khan

Something interesting just happened there because you were talking about most of the carcinogens we have around cancer at the UGENE macro level, and you’re thinking about this thing that’s happening somewhere in your body, and you’re thinking about the body as a whole. I just felt like, Do you know that movie Ant-Man, where I was zoomed into the actual cancer environment and you’re describing what’s going on at the microlevel, which we don’t often get to understand? You’re seeing what’s happening right there at the site of impact, right? What are these signals, as you mentioned a couple of times, that can change the state of affairs, meaning, take something that was maybe less impactful and make it all of a sudden aggressive? What specifically can some of those signals be? Are you talking about chemicals, environmental toxins, or mycotoxins? What are these things?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, so we look at the tumor as a whole, but within that tumor and its immediate environment, it’s not just all cancer cells. There are some cancer cells, and then you have other, somewhat healthy cells, and then someone else with healthier cells, and depending on the signaling from the cancer itself, it will then depend on how much those cells get. What I just said is that they get converted into cancer cells by the signaling from the main cancer cells within that tumor. You have communication that’s taking place between the neighborhood, so to speak, and also the individuals in a cell. I kind of liken it to bonding. If you have somebody who is placed in a very ghetto-like environment, it’s hard for that individual to behave as if they were living in Beverly Hills. The environment in which the cells exist is going to determine how they behave. If we can then make sure that that environment in itself is nutritive, cleaned up, and supportive for the cells that exist within that environment, the likelihood is that even somebody who is considered a bad element, somebody who would behave poorly in a ghetto-like environment, may then function in a clean environment, and in a completely different way, they may become very prosperous. And all of a sudden, they move towards becoming educated, like an accountant, business owner, or whatever it may be.

And it works exactly the same. Or the microenvironment is that if we control that microenvironment, that tumor microenvironment, we are then able to promote healthy signals to those cells that are cancerous, or they may be cancer-like, or we may be able to shift them towards healthy signals. And then the genetic makeup turns that cell from being cancerous into a healthy cell. And what they’ve seen is that we look upon cancer as that. And we all know that when a fetus develops, we have this rapid growth of cells. And then, all of a sudden, when the finger grows up to a certain length, that stops. And then there is an on-off switch that exists when you have that rapid growth. And then you can stop that rapid growth and start behaving normally. And we are looking at finding that switch within cancer cells. So there are ways that you can then flip that switch on a cancer cell to make it start to behave like a normal cell and then not have to kill it. I mean, obviously, there are some cells that have gone beyond salvation and need to be eliminated and then recycled. And then we can use the material from that recycled material to build up healthy tissue. But, as I said, the neighborhood that the individual lives in is so huge, and fasting is a fantastic tool to be able to do that to kind of control that environment.

Kashif Khan

I’ve never heard anyone speak of it in this context. And it’s because you’ve taken something complex and made it so simple, and it’s exactly what we needed to know. What you’d typically hear is that cancer is either the outcome of poor immunity because you’re not fighting it or the outcome of high inflammation because you’re causing it. But beyond that, what does that mean? Like, what’s the actual trigger? What’s the mechanism? And you just described the mechanism. There are cancer cells everywhere, and some of them have influence, and they’re saying, Hey, you join my team, right? Or you can create an environment where they don’t have influence, or you might influence them to change their role. The beauty of what you just said there is so empowering, because all of a sudden, when you understand exactly what’s happening at that microlevel, you understand how easy it is for you to intervene, right? What are some of those things you’re doing? Because this is so fascinating, how are you speaking to cancer cells and saying, Hey, you’re on the wrong side of the fence; come join me over here?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. The cool thing is that there are so many interventions that you can bring in. You talked about fasting; that’s one intervention, but you talked about inflammation, and obviously, if an individual lived in a ghetto situation, that would be an inflammatory environment. By cleaning up that environment, you will reduce the inflammatory signals that take place. Then maybe you bring in structure, a good school system, and good-quality food and nutrition into that area where the children at school are eating better. All of a sudden, they can think better and start to behave differently. It’s the same thing then, and in a tumor environment, we start to bring in nutrients. We check and see: what is that individual missing? I say low on such and such nutrition; maybe he says mitochondria. The energy production within the cell is not getting what it needs. So the cell doesn’t have the energy to do what it needs. We supply those nutrients, and then we check and see, well, that individual has been dealing with a lot of trauma in their life. Maybe their parents were not in a healthy state, and it really put an imprint on that individual, or we’re still talking about that ghetto environment.

What do we do to assess what the individual is impacted by? Then we can look at the chemicals, heavy metals, different pathogens, different traumas, generational traumas, and stressors that individuals are dealing with in their lives. Where are we? Do they have a purpose in their lives? Do they feel that their lives are making sense and that they are going in a direction that they feel happy about? All these factors come into play in order to clean up the terrain that exists and every cell within it. By doing that, by cleaning that up and supporting and building that structure, you’re then able to reduce the inflammation, turn on the mitochondria, and turn on the repair mechanism. If their houses have holes in them and they leak when it’s raining, and people and mold and all these things, We would then bring in energy into that area to help with the repair so that that does not take place and so that they live under, they are not exposed to all these stress factors. All of these factors. What’s so fascinating is that cancer is such a multifactorial type of disease that you can’t just do this one thing and push that one button. You’ve got to look at it as a totality and address it, from a holistic point of view, and look at all these factors at the same time.

Kashif Khan

Yes, I really like what you said about voltage and giving the cell the energy it needs to do its job because there are so many others, going back to the general conversation of immunity and inflammation. Those are the two main ones, and they’re not wrong. Those are great things to focus on. But there are so many other nuances that explain why poor immunity to information happened. Voltage is a very clear example of, like, Does your cell even have the tool it needs to do the job to fight the inflammation? Right. Simple example. Now, from what you describe, it’s very clear that the cancer is caused. Let’s say that. Right. But there are also some cancers that are considered to be genetic. Do you also believe that we can intervene there? Are they innate, are they just going to happen, or can we use the same tools?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Cancer genes can be turned on and off. Just because everyone in your family has had cancer doesn’t mean that you need to have cancer. All those genes are still impacted by your decisions, your lifestyle, your thinking, and, you know, your attitude about things. And that is the beauty of epigenetics. We can then create an environment and a lifestyle that will alter how these different genes express, and we can then make them express in a healthy fashion. It used to be that we were thinking that genetics had a 5% impact on whether you were going to get cancer or not and a 95% impact on your lifestyle. So now they’re all there. They’re kind of moving that number down to 1%, genetic. I’m betting that genetics, at the end of the day, epigenetics is going to be king, and that the genes, yes, they’re there. But we decide how they’re going to express themselves, How we live, how we detoxify, what nutrients we bring in, and how we think. Our connection, our spiritual connection, the purpose we feel all of these things are going to be the greater determining factors.

Kashif Khan

When we look at the current medical experience, God forbid somebody has cancer, and we’re talking to women here. So breast cancer or ovarian cancer, big ones, right? And the first thing that’s checked for is estrogen receptor positivity and is it triple negative or not? So are these considerations something you also dove into, or are you saying, I don’t care about this stuff? It’s all about terrain. What happens when there’s hormone positivity? Does that make a difference in how you approach things?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It does. So that’s a little different than looking at it genetically. So genetically, what’s beautiful about what you’re doing is that you’re looking at where the weaknesses are. It’s like looking at a bridge and thinking, I want to make sure that that bridge is going to survive for a long time. Then you look at, Where are the weaknesses in that structure? Then you can make conscious decisions to just support those weaknesses. And then that means that the bridge doesn’t have to fall down. You’ve taken active measures to address those genetic weaknesses that are there. That’s why epigenetics becomes king when you understand yourself and make appropriate choices based on your own makeup. Each individual is different and unique. When you look at things like triple negative, HIV positive, or triple positive, HER2-positive, it does play a role and it does determine how we address things. What is interesting about that, though, is that we look upon cancer. We assume that cancer is homogeneous, meaning that when you look at a tumor and we take a biopsy in one area, that one may be HER2-negative. If you take a biopsy in another area, it may be HER2-positive. Cancer cells or tumors are not homogenous; we still need to look at them beyond just being hormone-positive, triple-negative, or whatever that may be.

We still have to look at the foundational components, and that is what we’ve been talking about in regards to the terrain, in regards to mitochondrial activity, inflammatory signaling,  all these different things that are the drivers. We still have to look at that, but we still have some respect and regard. If it’s hormone-positive, then we want to make sure that the individual has the ability to clear out unwanted hormones that they are exposed to. We’re exposed to so many chemical hormone-like substances. If you are hormone-positive, then you really have to up your game in regard to that area. Also important to understand is that you always have the question that, because I am hormone positive, that means that I have to get on medication and shut down all my hormonal supply. Well, the hormones that you produce are such a small amount compared to the exposure you have from the makeup you put on your face that the chemicals in your detergent and your dishwashing detergent, when you wash your clothes or when you eat from a plastic container, or when you’re drinking out of a soda can, all of these chemicals and components have much more of a hormone-stimulating effect than your own hormones. So instead of shutting down your communication, signaling system, and internal hormones, you should just clean up the things that are really impacting you and the supporting detox strategies. To clear that out, and obviously, the first step is always avoidance.

Kashif Khan

Yes, and that’s why you’re making it empirical, which is important because there’s a gray area where people understand that, Okay, there’s my hormones, then there’s hormone disruption, and there’s environmental influences, but nobody knows. Put those things on a scale, and which one is weighing the scale? You’re telling us straightforwardly. It’s the other stuff, right? This is why things like cancer are so prolific now, because the innate hormones, positivity, and efficient receptors weren’t causing one out of so many that we now have whatever that statistic is. It’s everything else that was added. We now know the weight of those things. We have to understand that that’s the thing that’s driving it. The innate problem isn’t so bad. Let’s just say that, right? Now you’ve also gone, and everything we talked about, you’re also saying you work specifically on mitochondria, for which there’s this cell that’s trying to thrive, survive, and fight off something nasty. You’re saying, Well, let’s focus on the part of the cell that needs the most support, which is the mitochondria. What are you doing there? Because everybody has different opinions on how you support the mitochondria. I’m just curious to hear from you: What go-to tools?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, one of the tools that I love is, over and above, making sure that there are nutrients that it needs. You can bring in things that stimulate NAD or glutathione, different FADs, or l-carnitine and glutamine. All these different nutrients are known to turn on the mitochondria: magnesium, and so forth. One of the therapies that I really love is called photobiomodulation. It’s a way to bring in light because we know the mitochondria are actually driven by light in addition to nutrients, so it’s like light receptors that it has. Within the mitochondria, you have several different complexes: one, two, three, four, or five. That’s as the electrons are moving through the stations. Like a train that’s moving through these different stations. When they get to the end station, energy is produced, ATP is produced. What we’ve seen is that light actually moves that train from one station to the other so that we can then have the end product of energy of ATP. For instance, you have the spectrum, and each part of the spectrum plays a role in different areas within the mitochondria. In the first station, the complex one, you have things like ultraviolet and blue, which start to stimulate that one more. Then you have a second station; you have more of a slight little blue, but then you move more towards the green until, in a stage, station number four. Then you have more colors, like red and infrared types of colors. I use photobiomodulation. It’s a way to use light to modulate or shift what’s going on within an individual’s physical being.

It can be done in many ways. Obviously, the ancient way of doing it was just, they built temples for the sun. You’re out there in sun exposure, and that’s still amazing because you get all those frequencies, whether it’s part of the visual spectrum or the non-visual spectrum. You are then exposed to that, and that impacts your body, impacts your mitochondria, and actually turns on your detoxification, turns on energy production, and turns on your ability to repair tissue. So being out in the sunlight and exposing your skin to sunlight, obviously, you have to be prudent when you’re doing that. But having that as part of your healing strategy becomes really important. But then, nowadays, a lot of us are working inside. We’re sitting in front of our computers and we’re just pounding away, or we’re in an office doing other things, or we may be working in a factory, but most of the work people do is inside. So we’re actually becoming light deficient, and that becomes a real issue for our cells and our mitochondria because they need that light in order to function optimally.

So photobiomodulation, what we do, is a very amazing technique where you’re able to insert an optic cable intravenously. Then, by doing that, you can then use different colors and expose the blood as it’s passing by to these different colors. We have a machine where we can use ultraviolet, we can use blue, green, yellow, orange, red, and infrared, and expose the blood to that so that the light then gets transported into the body, and it even bypasses the skin and gets directly into the cells and impacted cells to turn on those mitochondria, turn on the immune system, reduce inflammation, increase nitric oxide production, and also actually increase the length of the telomeres. It does all these amazing things just by bringing in light. We know that the blood passes by one point once every minute. When we do those intravenous venous optic cables and treat the blood inside the vein with the light, we’re actually treating your whole blood volume, like 60 times in an hour. So yes, it becomes a really incredible way to infuse the body with that life, with that healing, and turn on and heal, you know, the mitochondria.

Kashif Khan

So on the spectrum that you mentioned, it’s like there are four separate colors or groupings, right? Is there a source? I understand that the therapy that you talk about, which sounds powerful, is on a therapeutic level. Do all four of these come from the sun?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes, exactly. So all these frequencies we get from the sun as well. Just like we know that the nutrients in our food right now are not at the same level as they were 100 years ago. We are less likely to eat the same nutrient-dense type of food as we used to. So that is also translatable to light. Right now, we’re exposing ourselves to so much artificial light all the time, just like we’re exposed to artificial food products. I wouldn’t call them food-like products because they’re not really food. Your food is supposed to nourish you and support you. We’re dealing with the same thing with light. A lot of people are then very light deficient, and then being able to bring in the full spectrum of light into our system in this kind of elegant way becomes really powerful. But it does not negate the same way that taking nutritional supplements to balance the lack of nutrients in your food doesn’t mean that you should eat poorly. It doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t try to eat good, clean, healthy, and nutritious food. It’s the same way that these kinds of therapies don’t mean that you shouldn’t expose yourself to healthy healing light outside and expose your whole body for a certain amount of time so that you can really rev up your mitochondria, your immune system, and so forth.

Kashif Khan

So we know that this light spectrum of the various things we talked about is supportive. We know that we don’t get enough because we’re not outside when we’re indoors. Is it also true that there are certain lights that are perhaps negative and that we need to avoid, for example, incandescent lights or indoor lights? Is there an opposite effect?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yes. It’s just like refined sugar, okay? You have just a very certain portion of that nutrient, and you’ve taken away all the other aspects. You’re taking away the minerals, the vitamins, and all these cofactors that are needed to be there for you to be able to utilize that sugar in the best possible way, and all these cofactors are part of being able to drive that sugar into the cell and help to balance out how quickly that takes place. What the body has to do is use its own nutrients in order to be able to use that sugar. It will grab chromium from its storage, manganese from its storage, magnesium, zinc, and all these different cofactors in order to be able to use that sugar. You’re actually becoming deficient in all these cofactors, and the same happens when you’re exposed to incandescent light. It’s a very specific part of the spectrum, and now you get deficient in all these others, because light comes as a grouping; you’re not supposed to just have one component of the light all the time. You’re supposed to see it and be exposed to it as a spectrum. That’s why, when you expose yourself to just one kind, that becomes very detrimental.

Kashif Khan

Normally, we have a lot of these conversations. I think there are hundreds of things we’ve done. It’s not often that I take notes during them, but with you, I always end up doing that because the details are so juicy and I want to capture them all. There’s always something new and incredible to say. Let’s get to another area that we wanted to cover, because this is really, in terms of going from a disease state, what you said we talked about in the context of cancer, but to me it seems like it would apply to a lot of chronic conditions, and a lot of that you’re thinking about how to think about the body and at the micro level, right? We talked about some possible solutions. One of the things you do is really get into the micro once again of the elimination pathways because it’s one thing like what you add, which is all what we’ve been talking about, but also what you need to get rid of. So let’s dive into that. What are the elimination pathways?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

A lot of people, when they think of detoxification, and buy these fancy supplements to get toxins out of their cells. All of that is so important. But if you don’t open up the pathways to get it out of your body, then it’s just going to be moving around. It’s just going to be like moving furniture. Frequently, you move the furniture from a location that is more optimal to a location that is less optimal because you have to do a quick reshuffle. The body is trying to figure out that this mercury is coming out of the cell, but there is no way to get it out of the body. So where should I put it now? It has to make a quick decision. A lot of times, it lands in an area that is less optimal than where it was originally. So the pathways of elimination are key to any time that you do any kind of detoxification or healing program, you need to make sure that this is the foundation that you start with. You’ve got to make sure your colon is moving appropriately. You’ve got to be able to; if you go once a day, or some people go every other day, that’s not enough. I mean, do you eat three times a day, and the actual optimum is that you eat as much as you should and then poop? That’s what small children do. That’s what animals do. And that is a healthy colon. That’s how it should be. But I’m happy with it. We can get you up to go to the bathroom twice a day, and it should look like a good, healthy bowel movement. That’s fantastic that I get to make sure that those pathways are open.

Then we have the kidneys. Are you drinking enough water? What kind of water are you drinking? Yes, we’ve got to make sure that you’re able to flush toxins out through the kidneys and that they’re functioning appropriately. You’ve got to look at the skin. Are you able to sweat properly, or do you sweat appropriately? Do you go to the sauna? What do you do to promote sweating so you can move toxins out of that pathway? Then the fourth detox pathway is your lungs. Are you breathing clean air, or are you always breathing stale, toxic air? How’s your breath? Do you have these kinds of shallow, low breaths, or do you do deep breathing to really move oxygen into the tissue and move toxins out of the system? You’ve got to look at all these different factors. Symptoms like, for instance, a skin rash would mean that one of the other symptoms or one of the other eliminatory pathways is not doing its job. Now the skin has to take over and address things that should have gone up through the kidneys. It should have gone out through the colon. And so now the kidney is trying to figure out how to get them out.

If you’re dealing with asthma or breathing issues, that means that now your respiratory system is having to deal with toxins that should have gone out through other pathways. All of that is the foundation, and if you have issues in one of those areas, there are tools that you can use to support those areas. Once you’ve done that, then you can start to look at, you know, let’s open up the detoxification from the liver. Let’s start to clean up your lymphatic system. Let’s get started, dig deep into your cells, and bring toxins out of your cells. But if your pathways of elimination start to open, then none of that is going out. It’s just going to be moving around. You can look at it like on the freeway in LA. If your eliminatory pathways aren’t open as you try to move the traffic, then in LA, on a little dirt road, Yeah, it’s going to just get everything clogged up, and obviously nobody’s going to be happy. So you want to widen that freeway to 6 to 7 lanes so we can move those toxins out, and then we can start to clean up the neighborhoods to make sure that we get the trash out of there because we get the freeways open.

Kashif Khan

And for some people listening, they’re probably making their notes and thinking, Okay, what pill do I take? What supplement is this? But if you look behind Michael, you’ll see that this is work right there. It’s not just going to take this and good luck. It’s important to do this properly. It took you 20, 30, 40, or 50 years to break yourself. So don’t expect one pill to reverse it. It’s weeks, if not months, of work. But when you get there, you become a new version of yourself, and really, the right solution is to work with somebody like you who has the experience and can recognize the signs and signals that other people may not because they’re looking at things symptomatically versus systemically. Just something that I would point out is to try and find someone to work with that has experience as opposed to, What supplement do I take? Because if that’s the answer you got, you got the wrong answer, right?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

It’s good for people to understand that we’re thinking, Well, how long is this going to take? Like you were saying, you’ve been unhealthy for 30, 40, and 50 years. It’s a common rule and doesn’t mean that it is a rule to always follow, but just to give people an idea, usually you consider a month per year, meaning that if you have had exposure and dealt with toxins in a year on this earth, which we all do, then it’s usually a month for that year. If you’re 50 years old and looking at 50 months, that may seem like a long time. But it’s worth it in the end because we were all looking at it first. We talked about longevity. How long we’re going to live. But then we realized, Well, we don’t want to live a long time if we’re not healthy. Then we talk about health span, but then we’re thinking, Well, I don’t want my body to be healthy if I deal with dementia or Alzheimer’s. We’re thinking of a brain span. We get to consider all these different things. To start with a program to kind of clean up your system now will reduce the likelihood of your brain span being shorter than it should be while your body is still here.

Kashif Khan

Yes, and 50 months sounds long if you are not understanding the journey. It’s not that it’s not binary. Here’s day one, and on day 50, you’re going to feel better. There’s a sense of relief that comes almost immediately, but there are just levels of optimization you take somebody through. To take someone from some level of illness to Superman or Superwoman, which is where you can get them better than where they started, That’s the 50-month journey, right? But during that time, there’s constant improvement, and you’re doing better and better. But the amount of improvement that’s possible is not in one week, right? It’s been 50 months. We’ve seen this over and over again. People stop halfway through, and because you do feel better in the beginning, you start to do all the right stuff. But right away, you’re hoping, weeping, and sweating, and you start to feel better, and you’re like you. But you don’t realize how much further you can go, right? True health span means that the potential is much greater than people think, right?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

The body is incredible. It’s able to compensate in so many different ways. You can feel great and feel energy for a long time while different portions of your body are suffering. It’s important to understand that being healthy doesn’t mean being disease-free. You can be disease-free; being symptomatic doesn’t mean that, and being asymptomatic, having no symptoms, doesn’t mean that you’re healthy. That’s why it’s important for you to take this process step by step, even beyond feeling good. You’re absolutely right. I’m a very impatient person, meaning that when patients come to me with concerns, I want to make sure that those concerns get cleared up quickly so that they feel good and enjoy life quickly. But it doesn’t mean, like you mentioned, that their health journey should end there, because then we haven’t really taken it to the point where we want to take it, where they can have optimum health.

Kashif Khan

People are listening and thinking, Well, my doctor doesn’t know any of this stuff. How did Karlfeldt? I’m sorry, Michael. Fill this out? Mr. Karlfeldt, where does this information come from? How did you stumble across all these things, even what we talked about with cancer? Because that’s not what’s taught.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, I mean, I’ve been doing this since 1987. So for a while. I’ve had the benefit. You want to be able to be smart, become smarter, or, I should say, you want to surround yourself with smart people. So I lured them in. I had a radio show for a number of years where I interviewed leaders throughout the world. I had TV shows, a couple of TV shows, and podcasts doing these summits like you’re doing. This way, I have an excuse to talk to the smartest of the smartest people. Then I learn. They point in directions for the research. You read up on that research. So it’s been a 30-plus-year journey of that, of continually learning from leaders in the field, and then all of a sudden it becomes your own.

Kashif Khan

That’s what the evolution of the health practitioner should be, and this is where people get stuck, where it’s the opposite, the indoctrination of I know everything and there’s nothing left to know. And that’s where people get stuck, because that’s the opposite of what science should be. Science should be eternally improving internally, questioning the status quo and wondering how we can make it better. If technology is improving, why can’t information and knowledge improve along with it? If you have a practitioner that isn’t willing to listen, hear, and be humble, as you can see, Michael is a very humble guy who is constantly learning and challenging his own knowledge base. If your practitioners are not doing that, you’re probably not getting the best care. And I thank you for doing that. So where do people find you? I’m sure at this point people are very curious, like, Okay, I’m flying to some city tomorrow. Because he wants to see Michael?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

The best way is to just go to my website. It’s thekarlfeldtcenter.com. Karlfeldt is tricky, but you can kind of contact us; that’s my last name, so thekarlfeldtcenter.com, and obviously you can contact us by giving us a call at 2083388902 or you can email us. All of that you can find on our website, and it’s cool then to go on to resources, and there’s a huge amount of information there. My different podcasts; where to find my TV show; where to find the different radio shows that I did in the past, there’s such a huge amount of information that it can take you years to go through it, and it took me years to create it. So yes, there’s a lot there. That’s a great place to go as a resource, and then obviously to reach out to us for any kind of help that you need if you’re dealing with cancer, if you’re dealing with autoimmune conditions, if you just want to experience optimum health or regenerative medicine, whatever that is, as we have a large group of doctors, technicians, and practitioners that are here that we can then kind of guide you towards depending on what your need is.

Kashif Khan

Awesome. Before we go, I had one more thought, based on your experience and all the work you’ve done: if somebody were to just do one thing starting tomorrow, irrespective of where they’re at or what their health journey is, involve them, as in, everybody go do this tomorrow. What is that thing?

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I actually think that if they do 20 minutes of sunbathing a day, that will be fantastic. Then it’s hard to do just one thing. So I’m going to have to throw in two more. Find clean water, make sure that you drink plenty of good, clean water, and then walk in an area where there’s good, clean air. Take a walk in nature. 20 minutes, 10 minutes, whatever it may be. Those three things: if you do that, then you’re going to achieve so much just for that.

Kashif Khan

Beautiful. Thank you so much. It’s an awesome discussion. Everyone’s going to love it. So helpful from your perspective, which is unique, as always. I have my notes here as well. I thought I learned something too. Thank you again for joining us.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, thank you so much, Kashif, it’s always such a pleasure. Thank you.