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Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD, is a Board Certified Naturopath (CTN® ) with expertise in IV Therapy, Applied Psycho Neurobiology, Oxidative Medicine, Naturopathic Oncology, Neural Therapy, Sports Performance, Energy Medicine, Natural Medicine, Nutritional Therapies, Aromatherapy, Auriculotherapy, Reflexology, Autonomic Response Testing (ART) and Anti-Aging Medicine. Dr. Michael Karlfeldt is the host of... Read More
Sylvie Beljanski, a French lawyer by trade, is a health advocate for holistic medicine, public speaker, internationally known author and entrepreneur. She is the Vice President of The Beljanski Foundation, whose mission is to research natural approaches to cancer. She is also the CEO of Maison Beljanski, an international dietary... Read More
- The cancer discovery by a french molecular biologist that threatened the establishment
- A view of cancer that no one had ever seen before
- Natural agents that can block the replication of cancer cells
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Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Sylvie Beljanski, I am so excited to have you on this segment of the regenerative Medicine summit. Thank you so much for being here.
Sylvie Beljanski
Thank you for having me. I’m delighted to be able to join you today.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Well, I want the audience to get to know you a little bit. You know, Sylvie Beljanski, a French lawyer by trade, is a health advocate for holistic medicine. She’s a public speaker into nationally known author and entrepreneur. She’s the founder and executive vice president of the Belgian Ski Foundation whose mission is to research natural approaches to cancer. She is also the CEO Mason Bejanski, an international dietary supplement company. And Mrs. Beljanski is the award winning author of the book, winning the War on Cancer, which should be on everyone’s bookshelf and the epic journey towards a natural cure. This book has helped propel Mrs. Beljanski to a sought after as a sought after speaker at health and wellness conferences globally, where she has educated thousands of people about scientific breakthroughs in the field of Integrative Medicine. This is so exciting that we’re gonna be talking about this. So, so, so tell me a little bit, obviously, you’re not a medical doctor did not start in cancer research, you’re not a cancer survivor. What propelled you in this direction?
Sylvie Beljanski
Yeah, well as a lawyer, you know, I had maybe I went to law school actually because I had a keen sense sense of fairness and higher reaction to injustice and when I saw the way the French government actually try to destroy completely a man, a researcher, my father and I knew about his integrity as a man. And also research program which I have seen, you know, the results because I’ve been grew up seeing people around my parents getting better and very grateful to my parents. I knew that there was something absolutely wrong. So my first reaction was to help my parents with their legal difference because that’s all I knew. But then I came to a point where I realized that maybe the most important was the scientific legacy. The most important was to continue to make the natural compounds that had helped people continue to make them available to help other people in need.
And maybe also what was the most important at another level for the benefit of Integrative medicine and integrity of oncology is to make sure that there would be a body of science, of scientific publications. That would not be good if I may say so. I mean uh considered you know focus focus or dismissed by official conventional medicine and that what you know, I started through the Beljanski Foundation which is five oh one C three That was created here in New York in ’99. And I have said that at first I am very grateful to the United States of America for having welcomed me at quite kind of late stage in my life since I was already a lawyer in France. And having given me the chance to realize, to pursue and realize this dream, which was to create a number of partnership with universities and develop research programs that are all about how natural compounds can help people with cancer.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
I love it. And so we’re going to get more into detail and in the research and also a little bit about your father’s story because it’s a really powerful story. But what did you see, I mean growing up in that environment so people can get a little taste of what the research that he did, what it was able to accomplish. I mean, what did you see growing up in that environment, how impacted people and the results that he was getting
Sylvie Beljanski
Well, you know, there was always always an ongoing stream of people were coming uh really obviously sick, I mean they were as a little girl, I was saying they were bold, they were, they were, they were pale, they were, they were not, they were not well and then they were coming back a few months later looking much better bringing flowers chocolates to my friends. That was my first sense, you know that they were better and they were happy, happy with what my parents were providing them whatever it was. It is later on that I learned that actually my father being a PhD at the Pasteur institute in Paris had developed a number of natural compounds that he had tested and he had selected a number of them for their anti cancer properties. I knew that I thought it sounds very interesting, complicated. Not definitely not for me. I decided to go to the school. But when my father passed away in really dramatic conditions since my the French army came to destroy at some point his laboratory and destroy him. I had you know so many people who came to the funerals were telling me you know without without your father would have never been able to come to my daughter’s wedding. I could have never seen my grand. I felt like there was something that should not be allowed to disappear and that was kind of turning point.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Yeah. I mean what I mean here you have the generations that are still there because of the research of your father. I mean like you’re saying their daughter being married and now they’re having Children and then grandchildren.
Sylvie Beljanski
Now we have people saying you know you helped my grandma or you helped my grandpa with this is prostate and now unfortunately my husband as this, I have been diagnosed with breast cancer. Can you help? Can you help me also? It’s really a kind of military generational relationship that has been created with a number of families first in France but also now start in the U. S. And that’s a great thing to earn the trust of people through results that you when you help them to get better. And to see that the trust is such that to one or two generations later, they remember you
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
That’s really amazing and we’re gonna get into the product in themselves and this research, but how just say this, what I mean? He studied, he’s a PhD and he is at the past Erion institute prestige wise, so people understand how important that institute and what it takes to be their prestige wise, what is that? You know, the History Institute
Sylvie Beljanski
Master Institute is globally recognized as one of the most advanced research institutes around the world. It is definitely the first in France. And back in the 80s when my father was there, it was a place where there has been a number of Nobel prizes that had been wanted to for Jack Mono and cried wolf in particular, who received the Nobel prize just at that time, where my father was there. So the, the image of the Pasteur institute was really recognized all over all over the world being a PhD. There was really, I mean highly highly recognized position. Uh and my father published a lot, he left 133 peer reviewed papers, he had absolutely no problem with his research. He was actually pressed by his peers, he received the letters of press from people linked to the Karolinska Institute, which is giving the Nobel Prize.
And then at some point around the early 80s, he came up with a concept of cancer which was completely different from the conventional official way to think about cancer at the time in the 80s there was the official way to think about cancer was that cancer could only result from a genetic mutation. And my father very much in advance for his his time. So no, no, no, no. Maybe the reason mutations but mutations, genetic mutations account only for 8 to 9% of the number of cancer wise number of cancer is rising. It is because there is something else and this something else is away, the environment is affecting our D. N. A. And he came with the idea that the carcinogens in our environment, our little by little on a daily basis, inducing a destabilization of the D. N. A. And he made the observation that there is a fundamental difference between a healthy cell and a cancer cell in a healthy cell. The two strands of the D. N. A. Are nicely neatly interwoven when there is a cell. When the DNA becomes con service, there is a big loops that appear and the hydrogen bonds that are supposed to keep together the two strands of the D. N. A. Break. And then nothing, nothing keeps the two strengths of the DNA together and then the enzyme replication enzymes have direct access to the duplication sites and then the duplication goes on and on and on and on.
And he came with also the idea that since there is a link between the rate of duplication and the carcinogenic potential then by measuring the rate of duplication of the D. N. A. He would be able to see if a molecule is carcinogenic or as at least a potential of being carcinogenic in certain conditions. And that’s how he tested a number of molecules in the environment and selected a few of them, very few of them that he thought were the most effective at having an anti cancer potential. But uh the idea was absolutely fought by very I mean strongly fought by the conventional approach because first it was against the idea that everything could result from a mutation. And then because people were polluting pharmaceutical companies were absolutely polluting being a big industrial company.
We are in the 80s. It is a decade of extreme industrial development. They were polluting a lot and they did not want to be held responsible. So the scientists were became against my father’s ideas. Industry became against my father’s idea. And then when my father developed some products that based on this research he developed some products and the products were kind of confirmation that the i the idea we’re right because the products were working and at some point the French president Francois Mitterrand uh with advanced prostate cancer, decided to take those products uh then I mean it was the proof is in the in the pudding. It was obvious that those products we’re working and we’re delivering francois Mitterrand against all odds, was able to finish his second term and terms were seven years at the time. So that was that was really not well lived, I mean by but also by politics. So finally, when Mitterrand passed away within a matter of months, they sent the French army to destroy everything.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
That’s me and I want to hear that story. You know what happened? Because it it is I mean you told it to me before, but it it’s such a it’s just understand the powers that be how they protect the status quo and and how important it is for us to be able to step up outside and think differently than what the status quo, the image that status quo presents. You know? So going back a little bit, what you talked about his his new way of looking at cancer. I mean obviously at that time in the eighties they were ramping up to do all the kind of genetic testing and to kind of yeah, can I go, I mean, they’re gonna spend billions and billions of dollars of mapping up your our genes mapping out
Sylvie Beljanski
That was the directions where they wanted to go and they went in that direction. But my father was showing that maybe there was something else also and they just did not want to hear about it.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
So obviously that was gonna be a huge threat, you know, to they know that they were going to go in that direction and all the money that was going to be put into that direction. And having some somebody, you know, saying something that will interfere that with that momentum. That’s a big deal. So he was a big threat. So just to kind of in my mind uh kind of see if I understand this correctly in regards to how he viewed cancer. So the environment cannot drove and and created weaknesses within the genetic material and the strands in themselves became more loosely bound, you know, the D. N. A. Strands so that they were not as tightly knit.
You know, it’s kind of like a muscle tissue that is just weaker, you know, it’s just it’s not as tightly knit, you know, so it can’t handle as much stress. And then you’re saying that the hydrogen bonds, you know, that hold that DNA material together, that they would start to kind of break up so that it was almost like that DNA material was frayed and because of that fray and that the the replication components within the cell was able then to have direct access and instead of having to go through the RNA, they had that direct access to the information about the genetic material which sped up the replication of that cell, you know, which is obviously one of the hallmarks of cancer is that that accelerated rate of acceleration of replication? Did I understand that correct?
Sylvie Beljanski
Exactly. And then since there are some natural compounds that may induce cancer, my father thought there was also some natural compounds that would do the exact opposite and block recognized the D. N. A. Which is destabilized and block completely that duplication and they did not have better words at the time. But now with the work of the Beljanski Foundation, we have interestingly interestingly found that one of the compound, for example, he has been working with called Paulo Pereira has made many mechanism of action. We have seen that it was inducing apoptosis that it was inhibiting interleukin six, that it was regulating P 53 that five alpha reductase, I mean, all those things cumulatively. And we keep discovering, you know, new mechanism of action and that’s very, very exciting.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
So, these compounds that your father then found from all of his research because obviously he then first recognized that this is what’s driving cancer. So it’s a different model and then he doing and he was doing research as to, you know, what kind of compound accelerated this process, you know, through the research that he was doing, See what’s negative chemicals that made this process replication faster, which is obviously cancer promoting. But then he was unable to pinpoint and see what are some of the agents that will then slow this down and block this process from taking place. And so what did he find? I mean what were some of the things that he found? Because he I’m sure he tested. I don’t know how many compounds but I’m sure there’s a lot of them.
Sylvie Beljanski
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And he selected very few of them. The most potent just could not do. It did not have the means to go everywhere and try so many things. So he had to focus on the most the most effective. And he focused on researching tree from the amazon rainforest called to. And the beauty of this power extract is that it is selective meaning it is going to recognize this D. N. A. Which is destabilized and it’s going to block the duplication of the D. N. A. But since we have one D. N. A. From head to toe it is going to block the duplication of the cells which are destabilized and wherever they are located. So it doesn’t matter if we are now speaking of brain cancer, breast cancer, prostate cancer, pancreatic cancer doesn’t matter. The little extract will know where to go and will be able to block the duplications of the cells which have become abnormal. And the research that we have done we have done research at Columbia university on prostate cancer and then at Kansas university on ovarian and pancreatic cancer.
And every time we were seeing the same thing which is destruction of the cancer cells. Even met aesthetic uh and no action unhealthy cells. Which is very very important because if you do not touch or modify the healthy cells then you are going to eliminate the product within a matter of hours and there will be no toxicity, no side effect. So if you are able to address cancer of cells from the beginning of uh of destabilization from the level really of inflammation and that has been documented also. And we have a nice publications on the topic on the website of the Belgian Ski foundation dot org to uh cancer stem cells that do not respond to chemotherapy. All the stages have been studied and all also different kinds of cancer. So it’s kind of unusual because it seems to be kind of universal answer without toxicity without side effects. And we have also been able to document the synergy with various chemotherapies like dos attacks L. Or M. C. To be carboplatin.
And those chemotherapies, they are not always not to work well together but they always work well with those natural extracts. Popara on top of that has an antiviral action which is you know a great thing now. And there is another compound called Gamatoria. We have to remove the razor pin out of Gamatoria that’s very important from those who are familiar to with area this extract is reserving free. And it has also similar action different kinds of cancer, different stages of cancer including cancer stem cells. But it doesn’t have the antiviral benefit. But it is uh it helps with hormonal hormonal balance so the different kinds of benefits. So really to two of the favorites my father was was working with. I also discovered that he tested a number of green teas. And selected foregoing tease of all of those. He tested for their anti cancer properties. And we made a blend of this forties. We call that equity and we sent that to concerts University Medical Center to compare with other teas because all green teas are our nose known to have some antioxidant benefits. Uh anti cancer benefit. But we asked them to compare different teas and we compared with Lipton with big yellow with cause me always green and always organic and uh and breast cancer.
And it was just amazing how though the tees that my father had selected were much more effective than others to destroy to inhibit the growth of cancer cells include even metastatic breast cancer cells. So we went on to see if the t also just like the Pope era and the Gamatoria would have would be effective against different kinds of cancer cells. So we went on to study bladder liver and cancer cancer cell lines. And it worked also very well. So it looks like my father was able to found a number of compounds that of this ability to recognize cancer cells wherever they are located. And uh and he needed their gross one of the other big discovery of my father. And that’s not a botanical it’s uh it’s a little RNA fragments which are specific of the D. N. A. Of the bone marrow and helps the bone marrow create. It’s the full range of white blood cells and platelets. Chemotherapy not being selective chemotherapy destroys cancer cells but also unfortunately very often a number of blood cells. And amongst those blood cells are cells which are absolutely paramount to our immune system.
And uh when they are destroyed uh bone marrow is not able to create a new generation chemotherapy after chemotherapy after chemotherapy. So my father came up with a little backed fragments of bacteria which are able to to really support the bone marrow in doing its job. And we were very blessed to have the opportunity to have a clinical trial at constant treatment centers of America a few years ago with people suffering from different kind of cancer including bone marrow cancer were already in suffering. I mean from side effects of chemotherapy and we are very low platelets. Platelets are those blood cells that help the blood to coagulate. So when you don’t have enough you are bleeding and you can bleed to death actually. So it’s a very big problem. And during the clinical trial, no, not the patients had any serious bleeding problem known had the need to stop their chemotherapy regimen. And at the end their bone marrow was in better shape than when it was started. So actually the oncologist was very, very pleased with the reasons. And it’s a very great publications that was written by the team of constant Treatment centers of America.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Yeah, that’s a big deal. And that really prevents a lot of people to get the appropriate amount of chemo if that is what they’re needing. Is that if the white blood cell count goes to low hemoglobin, the platelet levels go too low and then the individual is not able to fully complete. And the therapy that the oncologists have lined out for them. So to be able to have the tool to support that process which the product does. I believe you’re talking about immuno Bell pro Yeah, that is able to support an individual while they undergo those therapies. That becomes really powerful. And so it’s fantastic to have then a product that is supported by research to show that it actually does what it says, assess that it’s what it’s supposed to do.
And so that that’s really incredible uh in regards to then these other you know compounds, you know, within the and the other product that you talked initial about that’s that’s Anka Bell pro that has these different components that go after the or blocks then the cancer cells from replicating because it it blocks you know, its ability to do that when it and it finds these kind of afraid DNA material and kind of interferes with with that replication. So to be able to combine that with any other type of therapy because that obviously is the biggest thing is that you try to block it, you try to kill it. But the cancer cell has so many different drivers and have so many ways where it’s trying to to survive and to grow and to be able then to block the those processes while you then undergo oxidative therapies or therapies that try to kill the cancer cells. And then also have something that regulates the cancer stem cells because they actually get more active when you do chemotherapy to be able to control all of that is amazing.
Sylvie Beljanski
It is amazing. And that’s why I am loved what I am doing. I do not miss law. I mean the law family at all, I am delighted, I feel I’m being blessed to have the opportunity to pursues this uh this activity. Even though I am not a researcher. As we said at the beginning.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Well, well your book, winning the war on cancer. It is very well written and it feels like you’re a researcher. So, but you’re doing it very well as an attorney. So I mean every human being produced cancer cells all the time. And we are exposed to all these environmental toxins all the time. That you know, like your father was saying that this is what is driving a lot of these cancer processes. So from my, from what I would understand is that it would benefit somebody to be on this product almost on a continual basis to be able then to kind of clean up some of these cells that then later on can then move forward to to produce, you know, tumors.
Sylvie Beljanski
Indeed. And you see some of the carcinogens that we are exposed to on a daily basis and we are exposed to a very small amount. But there is a cumulative effect, little by little the destabilization phenomena happens. It’s not, it doesn’t have to happen in one day. Yes. If you have a large exposure to a lot of radiation or a huge stress, for example, then there will be some chemical imbalance that will induce cancer. But you don’t have to have that just regular, small exposure. Little by little will have a cumulative effect. And that’s why we tend to get cancer when we get older because we have accumulated all those experiences where we have been subjected to carcinogens. So in the if you do not have a cancer as we create cancerous cells. I mean on a daily basis it can be very good. I mean twice a year for example to take to preventively to to make sure that you clean up the house and get rid of all those cells which tend to be abnormal or have some beginning of destabilization or simply which are inflamed because inflammation can lead to cancers kind of first step. And we know that who regulation of NF kappa B. Popara and Raval fierro materia both have a benefit effects at and help reduce inflammation. So uh yes, I tend to do that myself twice a year. And uh and I like the results
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
And for listeners to understand. Yes. So you’re mentioning earlier about P- 53 and P- 53 is the gene that helps to repair the Mitochondria. Uh And also it controls a lot of the cell death switch. And the mitochondria is crucial in the repair of the gene in itself. So the P 53 whenever you’re dealing with cancer is a key component and frequently when that is mutated that you is mutated, then you will not respond to chemo radiation appropriately because you’re not able to really trigger that cell death switch, you know, so to have something to help to repair or restore the P 53 function, you know like you mentioned. And then also you mentioned I. L. C. Which is an inflammatory and if kappa beta you know these are very kind of inflammatory drivers and it has really been seen that inflammation drives cancer. So anytime you can then address that and clear some of that out becomes really really powerful. So I do want to end this our conversation a little bit with the story about your father, what happened? You know he here he just had turned around the French Premier Miss Ministers, you know, prostate cancer. And then a few you know a few months after he was the French army went in, you know he was there in his research lab to tell us what happened.
Sylvie Beljanski
So yes, so my father you know published a lot and he got the interest of a lot of French doctors because of those products I had no no sign of. So when Francois Mitterrand, former French President of the Republic got diagnosed with advanced prostate cancer, they called the surgeon of course uh the French White House to and the surgeon did surgery and then said that the council has spread everywhere that the President would not be able to finish his second term and uh decided to give morphine to the President. But the President had a mistress and the mistress knew about one of those doctors who he was using successfully. My father’s products and Mitterrand started to take the products because the surgeon that said that he had nothing to lose. I mean there was no treatment beside Marfin and against all odds started to get better and better and better. And as long as Mitterrand was alive, my father was kind of protected because we would not interfere with the President’s treatment.
But when Mitterrand finally passed away, several years after having started as the regiment uh, in a matter of months, they sent a sweat team And the sweat team came with helicopters, dogs, uh, mashing guns to the laboratory at 6:00 AM. They did everything. It was a research laboratory. There was not a team of people. My father was 74 at the time. He was, there was him and there was the secretary. Uh, and that’s it. And they told my father handcuffed him to interrogate him and they arrested all the people who were coming to work to the lab as they were coming in the morning with and they were, it was all about this sect. I mean, anti Christian science everywhere or religious signs or whatever they were, of course they looked at the some money that had been stolen, used everything you can, you can think of to create a laundry list of uh, to indict people.
The lounge released went absolutely nowhere. But they did whatever they could and at the end of the day, they told my father, you stay here, you stay in the land and that goes completely against an illegal rule in France. You’re supposed to take the person which has been arrested within a matter of hours to a judge. And instead they told my father to to stay in the laboratory and they spread some chemicals. Also they relieved they spread chemicals laboratory into the laboratory. They said they said there was radiation of something that did not absolutely did not make sense. But what happened is that two months later my father got at Absolutely sick with a stage for acute myeloid cancer and uh 70 for there was not much you could do and there was no more product to help him because they assess everything.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Yeah. So they removed his ability to treat himself and they sprayed him with, you know, we have no idea what I have no idea what to do two months after he get extremely sick. So I mean it’s very suspicious obviously
Sylvie Beljanski
And even more suspicious, the judge was supposed to bring the thing to to trial. Once you have arrested somebody, you have to come up with a trial data. he did nothing. He never gave my father a date to appear in court and to defend himself. So my father was dying and he told me, well you are a lawyer, what do you think we can do? And I said it seems to be rigged because it’s supposed to give you a date and it’s supposed to and so the only thing I can think of is the European court of Human rights. And I made a promise to my father to take the case to the European court of Human Rights. It took me four years. My father died before that, but we won a unanimous case Beljanski against France at Strasbourg, the European court of Human rights. France was absolutely unable to defend themselves. They had no argument, it was the longest because they made all the shenanigans they could, but it was the easiest legal win ever. They had nothing, nothing to say and to explain why they never gave my father a date to to defend himself. And it looks to me that they knew since since this praying that my father was a I was going to die. And they just nature take it course.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
It just wanted to prolong it because they knew that he was going to die. And so they didn’t feel like they were going to be challenged in any way because the source was going to be diseased. And I mean to me it really proves it highlights the importance of what your father was doing because of the immense threat that the French government felt that this, this post, what he was doing.
Sylvie Beljanski
Conventional medicine doesn’t really likes to be challenged there. If you look at the record of the war on cancer. It has been a disaster since Nixon since in 71 there is more cancer today than there was at the time and millions have been thrown at research. But they and they don’t have much to show for that. They are saying, okay, we are better at diagnosis, but diagnosis is not better treatment. It’s there is more and more cancer. There’s the numbers, you know out there and more and more people are dying from, from cancer around the world. So I think it is really, really important to take the matter in our own hands and look somewhere else because it’s not going to come from the government. They aren’t just uh service too much revolving door between government and pharmaceutical companies and they are looking at things they can patent, they are looking at things that they can make money with, which makes sense for industries and pharmaceutical industries, our industry, but maybe as humans we need something else.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Exactly. I agree with you and that’s why you know using the natural compounds that are not harmful and have these tremendous benefits become so important. And also then recognized for the people that that poses the question well, is it FDA approved? And you know what you just said is that in order for something to move through the FDA approval that hundreds of millions of dollars and two.
Sylvie Beljanski
But as a lawyer, I really wanted to make sure that I was doing things right from a legal point of view. So when I arrived here, one of the first things I did was to do the FDA notified Location as a new dietary ingredient for and Gamatoria. So there have been since 97 there are legally available as a dietary supplements uh and dietary ingredients here in the states.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Yeah, so it’s yeah, what you’re saying is that it is protect As a dietary supplement you know, which was the dish a law back in 96. And so we have that protection, you know which means that you can use that. But then for people saying that well, you know in the FADA approval in regards to as something that can work on any kind of ailments. You know people need to recognize what you’re saying is that the only you will only go through that process of FDA approval and all the studies that come along with it. If you can make a huge amount of money and you can protect the right that only you will be able to make that money. You can’t do that with the dietary supplement. You can use that.
Sylvie Beljanski
You cannot patent something natural and if you cannot patent, you cannot make money. So there is no no much incentive to research natural compounds. That’s why I think something like the Beljanski Foundation is so important.
Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD
Exactly. So we can then have money to research these natural compounds even though it may not go into you know what FDA would consider. Well this is pharmaceutically been tested according to whatever you know, $100 million process that they would validate a drug four. So Well, Sylvie, it is always a pleasure to chat with you and you’re bringing so much good to the world and making so many great changes, you know, helping people in so many different ways. And I urge all the listeners to get your book, winning the war on Cancer. It yes, there it is. I have it on my bookshelf and everyone else should have it as well. And we just touch slightly about your father’s story. And I know there’s more of that in the book. So thank you so much Sylvie so much.
Sylvie Beljanski
Thank you so much.
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