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Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Dr. Keesha Ewers is an integrative medicine expert, Doctor of Sexology, Family Practice ARNP, Psychotherapist, herbalist, is board certified in functional medicine and Ayurvedic medicine, and is the founder and medical director of the Academy for Integrative Medicine Health Coach Certification Program. Dr. Keesha has been in the medical field... Read More
Rollin McCraty, Ph.D., is the Director of Research at the HeartMath Institute and Research Center. As a psycho-physiologist, Dr. McCraty’s research interests include the physiology of emotion, heart-brain communication, and the global interconnectivity between people and the earth’s energetic systems. Findings from this research have been applied to the development... Read More
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Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Welcome back to the Reverse Autoimmune Disease Summit series, everybody. This is 5.0 version where we’re talking about healing the energy body. And of course, everything is made of energy, so there’s nothing that is outside of that paradigm. My guest today studies and researches this. His name is Dr. Rollin McCraty. He’s the director of research at HeartMath Institute and Research Center. As a psychophysiology, Dr. McCraty’s research interests include the physiology of emotion, heart brain communication, and the global interconnectivity between people and the Earth’s energetic systems. Findings from this research have been applied to the development of tools and technology to optimize individuals and organizational health, performance, and quality of life. Dr. McCraty has acted as principle investigator in numerous studies, examining the effect of emotions on heart brain interactions and on autonomic, cardiovascular, hormonal, and immune system function, and outcome studies to determine the benefits of positive emotion-focused interventions and heart rhythm coherence feedback, and diverse organizational, educational and various clinical populations. He’s been featured in many documentary films, such as I Am The Truth, The Joy of Sox, movie, The Power of the Heart, Solar Revolution and The Living Matrix, among many others. Welcome to the summit, Dr. McCraty.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Thank you, Keesha. I can see that I need to create a shorter short bio.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I know, I have the same problem when people start reading mine, I go, Oh, I need to pair that down. But, you know, you could take a stance that you sit there and you go, man, that person would be really interesting to get to know. So, you know, in your bio, we mentioned some of your areas of research, and this is the Reverse Autoimmune Disease Summit. And we’re talking a little bit about what really the coherence between trauma in the past and the impact it’s had on nervous system, wiring and firing, and then the impact that has on the immune system, and what that then unfolds in adulthood as our health or lack thereof. And so, you know, when we talk about taking things from a cellular level to a cosmic level, things aren’t so different when we talk about coherence, are they?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
No, they’re really not. The coherence is a term used to cover the cosmos right down to the process within a cell and all of the workings within a cell, so.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I often talk about ayurvedic medicine, you know, and one of the things when I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis when I was 30, I’m 57 now, and six months after diagnosed is I was able to reverse it and I haven’t had it back. But in that period of time when I was 30 and I had that diagnosis sitting in front of me and in my body, I remember, you know, thinking there has to be a different way than approaching this as just the disease, you know? Like, there must be something that’s out of lack or out of balance inside of me. And in those days, I was an ICU nurse and I didn’t really know anything I know today. I just didn’t. And so when I started studying like, well, how do I figure this out in terms of imbalance, or I didn’t know the word cohering or coherence at that time. And I remember, you know, looking into PubMed and looking for the research and ayurvedic medicine popping up. And, you know, 10,000 years ago, they said that we are a microcosm of the macrocosm of everything that is, and that, Oh, by the way, autoimmune disease is undigested anger. And I just remember like, sitting back in my seat going, huh.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
What am I mad at?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Or digest, just even digesting emotions was a revolutionary concept to this brain, you know? Like, Oh, digesting the emotions in your experiences that you have, like, you would digest an apple that that’s also necessary, you know? And so as I started diving deeply into some of these things and learning them and my autoimmunity reverse as I applied it, that one of the things I ran across was HeartMath and became a certified, you know, instructor. And I listen to you talk about for every five minutes, you’re upset, it takes your body eight hours to recover. I’ve mentioned that to you before. You know, that was a long time ago when that little statistic came out, right?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, 90s, probably somewhere in there.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm, yeah. Yeah, and so this, you know, this idea that our heart and our mind, you know, our mind and our body, we talk about mind, body medicine and it feels like it’s getting a little bit trite and off track. I mean, people just say, Oh yeah, mind and body, can’t separate them, but really that is true, right? Like, we have to come into this place where everything’s coherent.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Absolutely, yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. So one of the things that you talk about in your writings is that the Earth’s fields have frequencies the same as humans. And if we’re talking about, you know, this idea of microcosm to macrocosm, this becomes important too. What are the Earth’s fields frequencies and how are they related to us? Because this is the nest we live in basically, right?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yes, well, okay. We can start wide.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Okay. You wanna go right there off the bat. That’s great. Appreciate that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Let’s go wide and come in.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah. There are, well, many, we live in a sea of electromagnetic frequencies and I’m not talking about cell phones and that kinda thing. No, I’m talking about the natural magnetic environment we live in. So start with the earth and then we have to keep in mind that the earth in its entire magnetic fields are housed within the fields of the sun. Literally, the magnetic field of the sun is all the planets are within that magnetic field. So there’s a lot of, I call ’em nested fields, fields within fields, within fields. But if your question about earth, if we talk, let’s start with the geomagnetic field. Hopefully, most people know what that is. That’s the north to south pole encompasses align with and tell us which way we’re going. That’s a very, a field that extends out around the earth like a toroidal shape, many thousands of miles out into space and back in order north to south pole. And to explain this, probably be good to journey backwards, and if we can, back to when we were in science class in high school or middle school, whenever it was that we got to dump iron filings, most people get to do this, I think. You dump your iron filings on a glass plate and you put a magnet under it, you know, whether it’s a horseshoe or a bar or a ball, whatever, and you see the iron filings kinda magically dance around and line up in a way that shows you the shape of your, the field of the magnet, right? This invisible field. But remember more specifically that this is where picture’s worth of a lotta words that those iron filings lined up in lines. Yes, it shows you the shape of the field, but they’re lines. So there are also, that simple little experiment lets us visualize what are called magnetic field lines.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Okay, so they’re very real things. Now, what they didn’t, at least I didn’t learn back then that took me a long time to learn was that you can pluck magnetic field lines and they vibrate just like a guitar string or any string instrument that, we’ll use guitars. And just like in a guitar, if you change the tension or the length, you change its resonant frequency. In other words, the note, you know, we’re playing C or A or whatever the frequency is when we pluck the string. So the magnetic field lines of earth work the same way.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Are these what are called lay lines?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
No, these are called actually magnetic field lines. This is the actual measurable geomagnetic field that we live in.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Okay.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Lay lines, not that they don’t exist, but you can’t take a magnetometer and measure them. They’re not a measurable magnetic field like what we’re talking about here. And it’s also important to keep in mind that we really need to appreciate the earth’s magnetic field ’cause without it, earth would be turn into Mars very quickly, no atmosphere, no water, ’cause it’s what protects the earth from the solar wind, which would blow away the atmosphere and the water and so on very quickly. But it’s the solar wind that we’re talking about that’s plucking the strings of the earth ’cause earth is turning, so is the sun, right? Then the solar wind rushing by is plucking the field lines and they’re vibrating. Well, it turns out that the one of the primary resonant frequencies of the field lines vibrating, which are called field line resonances, that’s actually the technical name for these is a, in frequency language, 0.1 hertz, okay? Now, that’s important because that’s the same frequency as our human heart rhythms when we’re in a coherent state.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Same, not close to the same, it’s the same, right? For the majority of people. So basically, then the second, that’s go ahead and mention this a set of magnetic waves that are relevant to human and animal physiology, ’cause animals have the same basic physiological rhythms we do pretty much across species are called human resonances. And these are not to be confused with the vibrating field lines, field line resonances. These are magnetic waves that are traveling around the earth, that are kind trapped between the surface of the earth and the bottom of the ionosphere. And for those not familiar with the ionosphere, think of it as a soap bubble around the planet that starts out about 50 miles up from the surface of the earth and it’s this layer of highly ionized, highly charged particles. It’s called plasma, which is a four state of matter in physics, by the way. Plasmas have some pretty special properties. And one of those is that they are like a mirror to magnetic waves. They bounce off of it. In fact this is how ham radio operators work, you know what amateur radio.
A lot of people know, you know, who those guys are. You know, they send your radio wave up, it hits the ionosphere and bounces off, and that’s how people in here in the United States are talking to people in England or China. And if you get a second bounce and you’re talking to people in Australia and South Africa and places like that, they kinda live for that. So these human resonances though, are these magnetic waves that get created in this cavity between the earth and the ionosphere. And it’s the geometry of it, the shape and size that determines their frequency. And the there’s eight human resonances. These weren’t measured experimentally until about 1959, 1960 is when they were first actually measured. So it’s not that long ago, right? And certainly in my lifetime, they were first even measured. But even when they were first measured, the first human resonance is 8.3 hertz. Now, that’s the same as our brainwaves.
That’s right in across over point between what’s called alpha and theta brainwaves, kinda that magical point. But all eight, we now know all eight of the human frequencies are the same as our human brainwaves and most animals. So I’ve just talked about two different primary magnetic resonant frequencies of earth that directly overlap our physiology, our hearts and brains. And why is that important? Well, back to science class again. Most people got either got to do it or have certainly seen demos of this where you have two tuning forks that are tuned to the same note or frequency and you tap one and the other starts to vibrate in unison with it without touching it. And that’s really just demonstrating more technically what’s called resonant coupling, which is showing that you can transfer energy and information between two Oscillatoria or vibrating systems that vibrates at the same frequency, had the same resonant frequency. So here we are, our hearts and brains are operating at the same resonant frequency as the two primary systems of earth. So we have the basic physics to understand how we are transferring energy and information between us and the fields of the earth in a two way scenario. If they affect us and we affect them, we’re feeding information into. In fact, I think of it as a global information field that we all contribute to.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
It sounds like you’re describing consciousness.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, aspects of consciousness, yes, yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, co-creating, co-creative, right?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Mm hmm
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, so what does that have to do with our health? How do we? What happens when that gets
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well,
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
coherent?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Interesting. So boy, there’s several ways I could go with that one, but let me start at the bigger picture there. I mean over here to my right, I’ve got a stack of research papers probably about almost two feet high. That particular stack is just on studies that have looked at effects on human health of the earth magnetic environment. So there’s actually a lot of research on this. And it’s very well established that when the field of earth, the things we just been talking about are disturbed, like, and that’s usually we get hit with the solar flare. There’s a lot of solar activity and, you know, the plasma wave of the sun hits the earth magnetic field and it gets all disturbed, right? And they call ’em magnetic storms, in fact, that that’s not good for human health and behavior. So hospital emissions go up quite a lot. This is not a subtle effect, a lot of cases, but especially mental and emotional processes get affected. So it’s, we get triggered easier,
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
right? We’re a little more, we’re adding significance to things that typically, you know, kinda roll off like water off the duck backs, you know, those examples of things that usually Ah, that’s someone so they’re just that way. Well now, we’re starting to get all upset about it and adding emotional significance and so on. More car accidents, I mean it correlates with so many things. Financial markets get more crazy and so on. Volatile and so on. So the studies we’ve been conducting, I think we published eight studies just last year on the interaction between the magnetic field environment and a lot of different aspects of human health, arrhythmias and heart failure and just a bunch of different studies that came out. But the there’s a new story starting to emerge. I think it’s worth mentioning historically to give this perspective. The majority of that stack of papers is looking at magnetic field disturbances and hospital admissions. And primarily because that the only marker or measure of geomagnetic activity that’s been really available is a thing called KP Index, which is actually a measure of magnetic field disturbance. So that’s a measure that scientists had fairly easy access to, and hospital records are pretty easy to get access to. So that’s been the focus. So it’s given this perception that the field’s bad for us, right? And if you think about it, hospital admissions are primarily in older populations of people who already have some type of a chronic disease. So this the field, when the field gets disturbed, it’s kinda the straw that broke the camels back analogy, you know?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
So that-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I call it critical mass.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, so that triggers and off we go, you know, with the issue, but most of the days of the year, we’re not in magnetically disturbed times. So we have a couple of advantages in that we I wish we didn’t have to do this ourselves ’cause it’s very expensive and time consuming. And we’ve actually created what’s called a global coherence monitoring system. So this is a network of calibrated time synchronized magnetometer sites around the world. So we have sites in, well, one here where I am in California, in central California, Northern Canada, Saudi Arabia, Lithuania, South Africa, New Zealand, I’m probably forgetting one, but, so we have a pretty good measurement system for really looking at the actual resident frequencies of what’s going on, which KP has nothing to do with and that doesn’t measure. In fact, it’s the only network like this in the world that I’m aware of that actually is continuously measuring the frequencies of earth. So that allows us to do other kinds of studies. For example, we’ve had people wearing recorders that record your heart rate variability or heart rhythms continuously 24 hours a day, one study for five months.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Other studies, you know, a month and so on. So we’re able to look at what’s happening in normal times when the field’s not disturbed, but our normal day to day life and a very different pictures emerged, and more and more studies are starting to see this. I think we kinda maybe started the process a little bit, but at what has appear, what is the new picture that’s emerging, Keesha, is that it’s good to be in sync with the field of the earth. It’s actually an energy source, right? So we feel better, we sleep better, we have better cognitive functioning. These are all kinda indicators that have come out of these studies. I’ll give you one, just one example of a couple that we could depends how much time you wanna spend here. But one of the things that kinda kick started in a way even before we were doing the long term measures of heart rate variability, one of our collaboration partners is in University of Lithuania. We have a couple different groups we work with, and one’s with a cardiology group in the medical school. And so they were doing the standard, you know, kinda thing of looking at medical hospital admissions, but not just with field disturbance, over the whole year, looking at admissions for different various diseases. And an interesting pattern showed up. And that is when the power or the strength, you know, the vibration of the resonant frequencies is lower. They saw increased hospital admissions
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
in elderly populations with chronic disease, okay? When it was higher, they saw less hospital admissions, okay? Now, in the younger population, it was exactly reversed.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Now, before you go further, I wanna clarify something. So when there’s a solar flare, is the resonant frequency higher or lower?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, it just disturbed. The resonant frequencies aren’t as resonant
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Okay.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
’cause it’s more chaotic. It’s a more chaotic-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Lower coherence or just the disturbance is when it’s low.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, the field’s bouncing all over. It’s like an incoherent discordinate.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Okay.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
It’s not as resonant, would be a way of thinking of it.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And that’s when the elderly are getting hospital-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, no, no, no. Well, yes, in terms of the majority of studies that have looked at the correlation between magnetic field disturbance in hospital admissions.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
So where I just went in this other example was looking long term, not just during disturbances, but across the year. Week to week, you know, day to day, week to week. And then with our system being able to look at what’s the resonant frequencies looking like.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Lower resonant frequency, more elderly admissions, higher resident frequency power, less admissions for the elderly. But here’s the kicker. The young population was exactly the opposite.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
When the magnetic field resident frequencies were higher, there were more admissions, but not for disease, for accidents.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
In other words, so their conclusion independent of me even was from that study, what they were seeing is we must if, when we’re in sync with the field of the earth, this is like an energy source. We have more energy, right? So you’re when you have less energy, more admissions in the elderly people ’cause they have less energy for biological function, and the kids are doing more stupid things
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
getting hurt.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Right? So pretty good hypothesis actually. Now, just, you know, in this last few months, actually, two different papers got published looking similarly across the population of close to 500 people over a five year period where what they were measuring, this is the same Lithuanian cardiology group, where they were measuring what’s called resting metabolic rate.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Okay, and I know you know what that is, but for the listeners, that’s a measure of how much energy the body requires for just basic life functions when we’re at rest. And the interesting thing that this study showed was that when the resonant frequencies of the earth were higher, our resting metabolic rate goes down. In other words, that right down to the cellular level, the body is using energy more efficiently and coherently. So we require less utilization of energy for basic functions when the magnetic field environment has higher resonant frequencies.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So what affects the magnetic field environment’s resonant frequencies?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Say that again. I didn’t quite.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
What affects those resonant frequencies? So in the field itself, that makes them lower or higher?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Oh, okay, good question. Mostly, solar activity.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And so how often when you’re tracking this, is this something that, are you a storm watcher? You know, like you’re saying?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
I’m not particularly, but.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, how often are we seeing these things come through that are affecting-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, there are actually, there are, well are seasonal rhythms based on the tilt of the earth, right? There are certainly the, so there’s in what’s called space weather. There’s a lot of stuff that goes on that doesn’t really rise to the level of a magnetic storm,
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
right? That are still subtle effects. So that’s what we’re seeing. That would be one answer. I mean, one part of the answer to your question.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I’m wondering if there’s anything that’s human driven.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, okay, now in terms of the actual power of the resonances, maybe.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
A guy named Michael Passenger who, the late Michael Passenger, he passed away a couple years ago now at a university in Canada. He was kinda crazy like me to, he suggested that we interact with the fields of the earth. And actually he did some studies looking at in the areas, day, night differences and the power of the human resonances, you know, when our brains oscillate, and was able to show at least mathematically that the resonant frequencies in the human resonances were greater, where you had lots more people asleep.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
In other words, what he’s implying is that our brains are actually adding a little bit, but at a measurable bit of power to the human resonances.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Who knows? I mean, I believe we’re all interconnected so that, but the other thing we can’t really measure directly, like, you know, I can take a cell phone and makes communication engineer before I turned psychophysiologist 37 years ago, but we can take and de what’s called demodulate or look at the frequencies being carried by the field of our radio or cell phone or whatever, and demodulate it and see that information being carried into the field. Well, we can actually do that with us as well is when every time the heart beats, we literally radiate a magnetic field out into the environment. Now, I’m not talking about aura, but take a magnetometer and measure this. I mean, this, know this exists. We can measure it. And we can see that information being carried by that field that directly relates to our emotional state, we can see those patterns of information being carried by the field. No question about that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
So what we’re also suggesting in part of one of our projects called the global coherence initiative is that our body in our fields through resonance is like the tuning forks are adding information into the planetary field, right? So we’re all feeding the field. So people among everyone’s experienced this, the effects of this just didn’t know it. So a lot of, I’ve encouraged people, kind of some of our citizen scientists community to just kinda be start becoming more aware. And you might wake up in the morning and not because you had an argument with somebody or anything, you just wake up feeling outta sorts, you know, kinda like energetically tense or just something’s off. And either a high ratio of times, if you’re paying attention, you’ll find that you turn on the news and something’s happened. There’s been well, like recently the school shootings or, you know, terrorist attacks or something where a lot of people have really had an emotional reaction that have fed the field that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
We feel that, or it’s check into space weather, right? You see that there’s a magnetic field storm going on. So we’re feeling the effects of that, but normally we just don’t put, connect the dots until we start paying attention to it.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
This is so interesting. I had a near death experience many years ago, and, you know, NDE people will often come back and have tales of different experiences. And one, the one that I had was that there was a grid surrounding our planet and little bars of light. We each represented one of those. And that actually, it wasn’t even optional that we needed to be showing up in order to contribute to this power grid is the way that I thought about it, you know, if sinking is a thing in that space, but the way I just ascertained it, you know, and brought it back when I came back was, Oh, like, each human life is really important in feeding that.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And none of us can check out. We have to
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
like, really be intentional and conscious about it.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, it’s a good point. And I mean, so we do events and we have monthly care, what we call full moon care focuses where a lot of our global network of the global consciousness community comes together to actually add love and compassion into the planetary fields, right? And pulse it. And then we have part of another group that’s called the global clearance pulse that many organizations are part of, where the third Saturday of every month, we pulse the planet, you know, with love and compassion. And there’s many, many other groups doing similar things. And those are great. And there, in fact, there is an amplification effect when we do it together, and especially if we’re coherent and the research is actually starting to prove that out, that statement. But the point I make is that, Hey, look, we’re always connected to and feeding the field, not just when we come together for these events where we’re really on are playing our best game, right? We’re getting coherent and, you know? What about the other 27 days of the year?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
How much of that time are we feeding the field with frustration or impatience, worry, excessive worry, judgments, right?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Versus really being kind, feeding the field kindness and compassion and-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, these practices that have been around for hundreds, if not thousands of years, you know, talk, they speak to this, right? And they come from a place of understanding that all of this is really important. And one of the things that I’ve come to talk about and teach is this life thing is not a passive observer kind of experience. So don’t take your eye off the ball. Like, be actively engaged in what you’re putting into the field, right? Because that’s what you’re going to get back, yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, it’s yes, we get back the totality in like, the field environment. It’s really that you could kinda think of it as averaged out in a way and you can, but I would actually suggest that it’s calculated to a very fine tuned degree in a higher dimensional context. So one of the sayings I talk a lot about in when I do presentations and things, you know, yes, ask yourself, be conscious of what you’re feeding the field. But part two is what we feed the field matters
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
and it matters more than we might believe or imagine.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
A lot of people, you know, I think in today’s role, that’s just little me in this big role.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Isolated behind your computer, in your, yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
But it does matter, and every individual’s contributions matter. And it’s really a time in the evolution of consciousness from my perspective where we do become more responsible, self responsible for our energetic body systems and what we’re feeding field, not certainly for our own health, right? I know the overall focus of the summits, you know, is really has to do with inflammation, right? Autoimmune, and that’s directly related to our HRV and how much we have of HRV, which is directly related to a measure of coherence. So I made some pretty big jumps there, but that we could tie in.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No, there’s the exact, you know, that mean those are the stepping stones across the river right there, right?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, well, exactly. So, even if you don’t could care less about others, you know, we’re just totally self centered.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, do these practices for your own self. It still matters. It still helps the planet.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And so what are some things that people can do to increase their personal coherence? Because that coherence increases resilience.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, well, that’s what HeartMath is all about. And as you know as a trainer, there’s a number of key cool tools and techniques, but it really starts, I would say, with self awareness. Starting to have the courage to look under the radar, right? Under that, what we deny, what are we really feeling at a little bit deeper level and start being responsible for those to, we have a lot more power. There’s another way to say this, Keesha, to self regulate and choose our emotional diet than most people have ever been taught is in most cases, not their fault. They’ve never been taught. It’s not something we, and we’re certainly trying to teach to change this. This is something that should be fundamentally taught in school and education from early childhood on. Otherwise, we’ve gotta do all this unlearning, right? Mean right now, it’s ambition training for most kids, you know? Rather than really being learning about their emotions and how important they are in driving the body processes ’cause it’s emotions that run the show physiologically. It’s not thoughts.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right, the emotion comes first.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, and they are what drive the activity in our hormonal system, in our nervous system.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
I mean, it’s so easy to show here in the lab.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, it’s just becoming aware of that, and then learning that we really can turn around depleting emotions and I’m not talking about denying. That’s the last thing we wanna do or trying to repress. No, that doesn’t work either, but we can start changing those emotional responses and feelings. And this is where the heart has a huge role in this. We have to, so the heart sends more information to the brain and the other way around, and the information from the heart goes to right to the . Mean, in fact, the core nucleus in the are literally synchronized to the heartbeat. So whatever the heart rhythmic pattern is, the is directly monitoring that. And that has a lot to do to with creating our emotional experience. In other words, how we actually feel. It’s kinda, you know, common examples. You know, most people, when they fall in love with each other or stuff, what do we say? We don’t say, I love you with all my brain.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Right? ‘Cause we know instinctively that there’s something else here that, so the heart really is a major player in creating our experience of emotions, more of the higher positive emotions. But the brain’s also involved here, it’s interpreting, but it’s also creating a lot of the interpretations of things we react to and stuff that, you know, like anxiety and fear, that’s all brain.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
We could say our brain is what causes us to fall out of love.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it’s the brain and mind. You know, it’s, I want one and I want it to work really well, right? I mean, we need the brain to live in this level of density and navigate the world. It’s really when lateral we talk about here. It’s not about the brain is a bad guy, of course, not.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
But it’s really getting the heart and brain in sync. And I mean, literally, we can actually measure the synchronization between the heart and brain activity, but that as we do that physiologically, which is a measure of what we mean by physiological coherence, and we start opening the heart to accessing more of our intuition from that higher place of who we really are. And I mean our own self.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm. And once we can do that, we can recognize that every person we share the planet with has a higher self also.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, we all do. And everyone is, I would say for the most part, pretty much anyone and everyone is doing the best they can from the level of awareness they’ve evolved to.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
And that’s kinda humbling when I think of my own path. You know, we can call it old souls or whatever. We’ve also been that person we’re judging at somewhere along our path.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Absolutely. I think when you get to a certain point in your evolution and growth, when you land there, there’s a letting go of that desire to other people and judge them and, you know, blame, right? Brings your locus of control firmly internally.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, a term we use along these lines is that it actually helps me a lot with is compassionate latitude.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm, that’s nice.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Right, ’cause I, in my journey, you know, really tagging and feeling the energetic, the vibration of appreciation. I was pretty good at that
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
You know, in a lot of years of practice and a lot of benefit, but compassion was a little more abstract in the beginning. I’ve gotten more into understanding it’s a little bit higher up in the love spectrum compassion is to really be, to have our consciousness for really vibrating truly at that frequency. But compassionate latitude was my stepping stone
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
’cause yeah, it cuts people some slack, right? I mean having compassionate latitude, ’cause what they’re saying or doing it’s upsetting me that I’m judging or whatever is the same stuff that I’ve done myself to others or probably will do. So come on, cut ’em some slack and we really don’t know what’s going on in other people’s worlds.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And I do wanna say just for people that are listening and say, well, no, you know? I wouldn’t ever sexually abuse a child. That’s not something I’m ever going to do. It’s the motivation that drives behavior that we’re actually pointing to.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, exactly.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
You know, we all have the same personality traits. We just do them differently.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, do I condone the behaviors of a lower vibration? Of course, not.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Exactly.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
But if I’m judging and getting angry about it, who am I hurting?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right, right. It just adds to the field more of the same that’s driving that behavior in somebody else. So it’s really important that we, I mean, this is the thing I say. Keep your eye on the ball all the time, and the ball is actually you and your own awareness.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, and in fact, when we’re able to not fall into that trap, that it’s really a downward spiral when we get into the judge and blame that thing that have real issues. I’m not saying those issues aren’t real, but what that does is it leads to a very identifiable state that’s been called cortical inhibition. You know, our brain gets inhibited for since the 70s. So when we’re able to stay a little more neutral emotionally,
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
that opens up that leads to cortical facilitation. We are able to get the heart and brain in sync and draw in the intuitive guidance of, well, what can we, how can we take the love and care and put it into action, you know, in real practical ways to actually create positive change?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right. Yeah, and this is, you know, I think a lot of the religious traditions have places here that this is spoken of. And we just, I really think we need to get the compassion and action piece and the heart rate variability and cohering into preschools.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Absolutely, and we actually have a program for preschools for the-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. Yeah, that’s so important. And, you know, there’s a Buddhist movement for seeds of compassion and preschools, but just any of these kinds of programs that are being developed, whatever calls to you, you know, this is a place where we can make a big difference in our children. I mean,
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Absolutely.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
to me there any research I do, anything I talk about, it’s keeping in mind like, what are we leaving for our children here?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Like we’re right in the process now that recording going on in the office next door to where I’m setting that’s for our new parenting program, a program for parents that discuss the kinda things we’re talking about and how do we model, you know, as parents, but also teach our children practical ways for all, you know, that sets ’em on a lifelong course for better self regulation
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
and self-awareness?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I’m so happy to hear that. And then, you know, for people with autoimmune disease, a lot of the work that I do is helping them reparent their own little selves from trauma. And so learning those skills, even if you’re not a parent and not a grandparent, you know, this is also again, as Dr. McCraty was talking about, says very personal significance and relevance, so yeah. Helps heal attachment trauma within you.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Mm hmm, Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Means you said that I’ll do another plug for HeartMath here. We actually, hoping you’ve already taken it, Keesha, our program for trauma informed approaches is called the trauma. What is it called? Resilient heart, I think, is the name of it. It’s a great program. If you’re a healthcare professional, people get actually certified and, you know, all that in it, but it’s really for anybody. It could, if you’re a guidance counselor or just a parent working with kids or mid school teachers, first responders, it’s really open to anybody to take and for nothing but just rave reviews from it.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm hmm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Lot of people who’ve taken a lot of trauma courses, this is by far the best thing I’ve ever seen, so.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, there’s, I don’t wanna open up a huge can of worms here, but there’s, since the last school shooting,
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Mm hmm.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
there’s a lot of trauma held inside of the energetic bubble that we are in.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And people that are, you know, very frustrated with what can I do, and, you know, some are calling for teachers to become armed in the school system and things like that, you know? And
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Crazy.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
this is a way to arm yourselves, your teachers, and your children, right? Is that internal tool
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right? To be able to use when, ’cause inevitably, challenges happen that we think we can’t overcome. It’s part of the human experience. And so we need to have these tools within us.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Mm hmm, good.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. So this is a really wonderful solution for where to put your frustration and grief, like-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, I mean, from my perspective, none of this is gonna change until consciousness evolves to its next step
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
is notch up. I mean, great, we should and be doing policy changes and things that, you know, are appropriate, but that’s not gonna solve the problem.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I agree with you. This is an evolutionary need and that’s just pointing to it, right? We just, we have to evolve already in our consciousness, which is why I took our questioning to the very, like there. This is conscious. Like, we’re talking about that. This is what we need.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
You know, I’ll give you, I used to say, well, I’ve got a couple stories here. My journey of really understanding this bit about that’s consciousness, the evolution of consciousness that keep it short. I used to say, I’d read somewhere that with 10% of the world’s military budget, every person on earth could be have clean water, be fed, housed, and educated. I could never quite find the source. I’d heard it, but it sounded like, Hey, this is pretty cool. Until a couple of years ago when I met the person who’s actually been nominated for three Nobel peace prizes. I’ve actually got her book over here. Scilla Elworthy, a book called The Business Plan for Peace, who’s done the math. And I discovered I was wrong. It’s far less than 10% of the world’s military budget. Now, which would then solve a lot of the problems if we did that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Right, we wouldn’t have all the military stuff we have ’cause, right?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
This is healing the energy bodies
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
of everything, yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
So this is not a problem of technology.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
This has existed for years, the ability and the capacity to do this.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So we just have to each
Dr. Rollin McCraty
It’s a problem of greeting.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Responsibly step forward and take those steps ourselves. I mean, that’s, each of us has to do it. This is the, I mean you know, when there’s study after study, you could sink a ship with people that, you know, the TM movement showed that crime in Washington DC decreased when for 30 days they gathered and meditated, you know? Rivers clean up here in Washington state, the Duwamish when people gather and provide Reiki and meditate, you know, to the river. Like, this, we have this inside of us, yeah. So this isn’t new.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
But I think we are at a new place though.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
We are, and being able to actually measure and
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right? And-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, and it’s the consciousness global, I’m talking about global human consciousness evolution. I really do believe we are at a point in that evolutionary trajectory that we’re in the middle actually of the next tipping point to the next notch up as a global species. I mean, that is actually, that’s what the shift’s all about that people talk about.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
And that has to do with heart, brain alignment. Ultimately, that’s underneath that shift from.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I always say it’s the most exciting time to be in medicine. Like, I, it’s delightful time to be here.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, if you’re here, if you understand that that’s what’s going on and a part of that mission, it’s really adventurous sometime to be here and.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
It is.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
You know, it really helps us from getting over sympathetic, being compassionate, but not kinda drugged down into the, Oh my God, you know?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right, compassion, fatigue.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, well, you know, this is probably quibbling, but I don’t, I think that’s a word that we need to stamp out of our, it’s even in the scientific literary ’cause true compassion does not cause fatigue.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No, it’s not caregiver fatigue. I’m talking about when the scale that it’s been talked about in, you know, in a different way, where if there’s too much going on in terms of tragedy, then people will sometimes turn in and become more narcissistic and lack empathy.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
I understand.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
I’m just, I don’t wanna quiver-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Oh, I know, I know. I think about it, so that-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
It’s not the compassion that leads to the fatigue and the problem.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right, right.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
It’s what we call over care.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
It’s when our care and compassion starts turning into over care that it’s, that’s the problem.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
So we get on that downward spiral instead of the upper trajectory.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I put it in my boundaries class, you know? How to be able, you know, I always say leaky boundaries leads to leaky gut, which leads to auto immunity, right? So it’s being able to have a strong field and then you don’t, that’s not a thing, right? Yeah, all right. Well, Dr. McCraty, thank you. Is there anything we haven’t touched on? I mean, there’s a million things, but that-
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Yeah, I was gonna say, come on.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Is there anything that we haven’t touched on that you would like to leave before we go?
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Where would I even go with that? I mean, there’s so much, we started wide and I kinda stayed there. No, I would just encourage, you know, the listeners here to maybe check out our website. There’s a lot of free resources. A very inexpensive investment, I think is I’m hearing a lot from is we just did a revision of the book, Heart Intelligence.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
That’s the very practical user friendly tools, techniques that I don’t know what the book is, 14 bucks or something, I don’t know. It’s a very small investment for, it can really help, I think, a lotta people move forward and.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Beautiful. Lotta usable tools there. So, thank you so much.
Dr. Rollin McCraty
Well, likewise, and thank you for the invitation and the chance to chat some.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
All right, everybody, until next time, be well.
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