Full Transcript Introduction and Guest Background 0:00 So I know we, you know, we're creating various collaborations and products 0:05 to make it easy for people to read or listen to what happens, a tutorial. 0:09 But it's really designed to be non complicated. 0:14 You don't have to focus on your diaphragm. 0:17 You don't have to focus on your belly. 0:19 You don't have to focus on your clavicles because people say, oh, I'm a belly. 0:22 Breathe. Oh, I'm a diaphragmatic breathing. 0:24 Oh, I'm a upper, you know, high stress, anxiety breather. 0:28 Yeah, I do this. 0:30 You don't need to do any of that. 0:31 So that that makes people feel relaxed. 0:34 I oh, it's nothing so scientific that I have to do not. 0:38 Welcome to doctor talks, the podcast where every episode leads to a healthier you. 0:43 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 0:46 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 0:50 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 0:53 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors. 0:57 If you're seeking to transform your health journey, 1:00 or if you're looking for answers to burning questions. 1:03 You've come to the right place. 1:05 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:08 This is Doctor Talks, 1:10 real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. 1:17 Thank you so much for being here. 1:19 My name is Soraya Rahman. 1:21 I am one of the two curious MDS on the two curious MDS podcast, 1:27 and my partner Alia Ahmed is not here with me today, but I'm joined 1:31 by Raj Cartoon from London, UK, 1:35 who is an inspired manager at Keep Fit Kingdom, which has a mission 1:39 to help a billion people reach 100 years happily 1:42 and to realize the healthiest version of themselves. 1:46 He's an avid wellbeing and transformation coach, 1:48 having specialized in relationship coaching for 15 years. 1:52 The inventor of the three three metaverse breathing method, part of the 1:55 seven Minutes to Bliss program, which dramatically reduces stress and anxiety 2:00 within 1 to 3 minutes and is proving to be highly effective in healing insomnia. 2:04 I can attest to this is infectious energy uplifts anyone because he's excited 2:08 to make a positive difference while helping people 2:11 fulfill their potentials and make dreams happen. 2:13 I am just so thrilled to have you on the Two Curious Minds podcast. 2:17 Thank you so much for being here. 2:19 Absolutely. Thank you so much. 2:20 I'm looking forward to and hear what comes out of this. 2:23 So I thank you so much. 2:24 Wonderful, wonderful. 2:26 And I know it's it's kind of late for you in the UK. 2:28 So we are doing this kind of transatlantic here. 2:32 So let's just write life. 2:34 You know interestingly enough I mean I do coaching with Los Angeles 2:38 and they're eight hours, you know, behind us. 2:39 So sometimes I'm up to three, 4:00 in the morning doing sessions. 2:43 So you know, using the three three method I'm sure to cure that insomnia. 2:48 So do you want to just jump right in? 2:50 Yeah, I mean, sure. What would you like to know? 2:52 A bit of background or what? 2:53 Like what kind of what would be, you know, what brought you to the journey 2:58 that led you to the three three breathing method? 3:01 Like where, where did you. Yeah. 3:03 Okay. 3:04 So we'll I'll take you back to when I was a kid. 3:06 That's a bit of a Genesis backstory. 3:08 It'll give some context that when I, when I was three years old, 3:11 my mother took me for the first time to nursery. 3:14 And in the library there, there were two things I did, and I don't know why. 3:19 It was just so instinctual, what I did. 3:23 I took two books off the shelf. 3:25 One was about dinosaurs and one was about planets. 3:28 And for whatever, I didn't touch Thomas the Tank Engine. 3:30 I didn't touch, you know, the Mr. Greedy Mr. 3:33 Happy, all those books. I didn't touch that. 3:35 But for whatever reason, I picked up the dinosaurs books and the planets books. 3:39 And these images from the front covers of these books are still etched in my mind 3:43 like it was yesterday. 3:44 I can literally still see it in my mind. 3:47 Right. 3:48 So what I noticed is that these themes would accompany me 3:52 throughout my entire life. 3:54 Dinosaurs for evolution. 3:55 In terms of how do species evolve and move from being a basic type 4:00 of creature, and then to become more and more intelligent 4:04 and then have a more expanded brain and then and then what? 4:08 What happens, you know, versus how is this happening? 4:10 It's just so curious and fascinating to me. Right. 4:13 And I think most kids, they have this fascination with dinosaurs. 4:17 They go to the museums and they look at these big, huge creatures. 4:20 I think that can't be real. 4:22 Was it really real? The cow huge slayer.
Origins of the Three-Three Breathing Method 4:24 And he's just amazing, right. 4:26 And the planet thing was again, it got me curious, 4:30 asking questions of myself just within my mind. 4:34 What are these planets doing? 4:36 Like, you've got Jupiter, you've got sad looks, beautiful with rings around it. 4:40 You've got mercury right next to the sun. 4:42 Takes 88 days to go around it. 4:44 Once you've got Mars, right. 4:47 And they've got the satellites on their probes 4:50 looking at the surface and moving over, and they have had for over a decade, 4:54 and they still haven't found anything on there. Right? 4:56 No water, no plants, nothing. Just rock. 4:59 And I'm thinking, 5:01 why is an empty planet? 5:03 What is an empty planet doing in the solar system? 5:05 There must be a reason for it. 5:07 Like what? 5:07 I can't see nothing there physically with these eyes. 5:10 But what is going on? 5:13 So these kinds of questions were on my mind years, years and years. 5:18 And actually those ideas served me even better than my education did. 5:24 So there's a bit of a backstory of, 5:27 yeah, I have a love for libraries that I cannot. 5:31 So I'm just as you're talking, I am just imagining 5:34 that when you enter that library, right? 5:36 And you like, have this confrontation with all the possible things, like you 5:40 said, it could have been Thomas the Tank Engine. 5:42 It could have been the Mister, the greatest. 5:44 My, I remember those, by the way, we grew up on some of the Saints. 5:48 No, we don't, but what got you curious? 5:51 And you mentioned that word curious. 5:53 And I think that's really like a kid 5:56 with unlimited possibilities and that's just free flowing curiosity. 6:01 And it's like you're not directing it. 6:04 It's taking you. Right. 6:06 Something is pulling you and you're responding to it. 6:10 As kids, we have so little barriers to that. 6:12 Right? 6:12 So even just the ability to pay attention to what is it 6:16 that you pay attention to and why reveals you to yourself? 6:21 It's like, yeah, Raj, come on over. 6:23 Your guy who really is going to be interested in these ideas, 6:26 we're pulling bones out of the ground and they're telling us a story. 6:30 And this is a wild story, which any kid looking would be like. 6:35 There are no dinosaurs right now. 6:36 You're telling me they're all gone. 6:38 So just like the ability to follow those ideas down 6:43 and really connecting with yourself 6:46 in that way, we discover right through, through the things that attract us. 6:49 That's beautiful. 6:50 So tell me how that kind of evolved into the breathing method. 6:54 Like that's that's right there. 6:56 So I'm fascinating. 6:58 It is. 6:59 I mean, I'm even fascinated by it 7:01 because I can't believe what's what's happening sometimes, you know, 7:04 when you look at your hand and you think, how did I get here? 7:08 Like, how was this made? 7:10 I know I didn't make my heart, I didn't make my lungs, 7:12 I didn't make my hands. 7:14 How, how, how do I happen to have these ticks? 7:16 It's it's it's kind of surreal, sublime and sometimes, you know, transcendent 7:21 feeling you have that there's there's a higher intelligence governing all. 7:24 There's what is that I want to know. Right. 7:28 So in terms of the breathing, this is fascinating because 7:32 the more you study yoga, meditation and you realize that there are masters 7:36 who have transcended the 3D world, and they go way beyond the physical 7:42 and there was for me it was like, okay, study, yoga, 7:46 study, you know, the physical postures, hatha yoga, downward dog, 7:50 suns out of Syria, sun salutation, all those things. 7:53 And they're good for mobility, 7:54 for strength and maintaining your your posture and everything. 7:58 But then I realized that there's actually there's something else 8:02 hidden that you can't see right in the atmosphere. 8:06 And we're given to think. 8:07 And I thought I was also stuck in that matrix as well, 8:11 where it's oxygen, nitrogen, hydrogen, whatever. 8:15 But then I realized, 8:16 hang on a minute, there's this there's much more to it than that. 8:20 It's much more to it than that. 8:22 Because when I started doing breathing practices, 8:24 I started to get all kinds of data and information that I never had before. 8:30 And I said, hang on. 8:31 So people can receive information and data through what? 8:35 What the invisible medium of the ether, right. 8:38 Because we tune into certain frequencies of vibration to pull data out. 8:42 And I'm thinking that that's the very core of my life, 8:46 my perception, how I decide things. 8:49 But why doesn't everyone connect with that? 8:53 Like consciously? Unconsciously like what? 8:56 What should be done? You know, how should you use it? 8:58 So I, you know, working with so many people, 9:02 I see that they have health problems, they have psychosomatic problems, 9:06 they have emotional dysregulation. 9:08 And I was thinking, well, is there a way that you can utilize 9:12 this atmospheric genius information? 9:17 Yeah. Power, right. 9:19 If nature is in a way, you can harness it and channel it into yourself. 9:24 So to to boost your, your cognition, 9:28 your receptivity to it, to information, to ideas, 9:32 can you charge up your nervous system and your immune system? 9:35 And I found that yes, you can you can do all of that. 9:39 And that's what I've been dedicated my life last seven years 9:42 on specifically on the breath. 9:44 So during the pandemic, I had a lot of women who couldn't 9:47 mix with men that, you know, relationships coach for women 9:51 last 15 years and they couldn't mix with men freely. 9:54 They were upset that their relationships were on hold 9:57 and the responses they were getting were not satisfactory. 9:59 Women panic. 10:00 A lot of them nothing. 10:00 A lot, a lot of times men as well. 10:03 But women, they're very emotional. 10:04 So I set about teaching them 10:06 how to regulate their emotions so they feel more calm and relaxed. 10:11 I teach the methods like the box breathing and things like Wim Hof, 10:15 similar kinds of things, and different types of sequences 10:19 like for in hold for eight out, you know, ten and hold for 16. 10:25 And they would do it with me on the phone or on the session. 10:29 But then when they would go back in their own world, in their own space 10:32 and they would come across these problems 10:34 again, it's not panicking and getting flustered and 10:37 oh yeah, I'll have the next session with them on the phone. 10:40 Did you do them? 10:40 I said, oh no, I forgot, it's not part of my lifestyle is too complicated. 10:45 There's so but you knew it worked. 10:48 Yeah, I know it worked when I did it with you. 10:50 But when I'm left to my own devices, I don't think about that. 10:55 Okay, let me think. 10:56 It's a method as way to make it super easy and super simple. 11:00 So the three three was born out of a desire 11:04 to make it as accessible to as many people as possible. 11:08 And the the three three method is soft, it's gentle, it's easy. 11:13 It's easy to remember, it's nothing complicated. 11:16 And we've tried it on people as young as five 11:19 or up to 85, and it's working with everyone. 11:23 Amazing. I love that. 11:24 I love how you just took that and recognize that there's a hidden realm 11:29 that we are connected to. 11:31 We're embedded in this matrix. 11:33 And I really relate to that idea because that's what we see 11:36 in psychedelic medicine. 11:37 We that's one of the kind of moments that people have. 11:43 Is this understanding that we're not these 11:45 isolated, you know, islands. 11:49 We're actually an interconnected web. 11:52 We, you know, and then, you know, when you apply your your mind 11:56 and you look at it from that perspective, right? It's that perspective shift. 11:59 It's like, 11:59 oh yeah, I've got micro-organisms, I've got a trillion cells, 12:02 I've got this wonderful body and I don't even know how it works. 12:08 I don't even know how best to relate to it. 12:13 And you're right that the systems that we're embedded in are so reductive 12:17 and so kind of kind of materialistic, 12:20 it's that if you don't see it, it doesn't exist. 12:24 And so. Right, like it's like 12:27 we're you do these, you do the breathwork 12:29 with your clients and they feel it and they're like, oh, this is real. 12:33 But when they're off by themselves as they can't see something tangible, it's 12:37 hard to kind of believe that it even exists as well. 12:41 Right? 12:41 Like we're back in in the matrix in this fight flight mode. 12:46 And they realize that they're or they're not taught the importance 12:49 of getting equally 12:51 into the parasympathetic nervous system up to the sympathetic nervous system 12:54 with adrenaline, cortisol, fear and all that stuff. 12:58 They don't realize how important it is to consciously move to the parasympathetic.
Breathwork, Nervous System, and Flow State 13:02 So it's like a phase shift, right? 13:04 You're like, everything in society is keeping us 13:08 in the sympathetic drive and we get lost in it. 13:11 And if we would just and that's why we all feel better on vacation. 13:15 If we just get into the parasympathetic 13:19 and it's not like, oh, you hate your work or you want to be on vacation 24 seven. 13:23 It's just that our everyday work lives, our the lives that we live outside 13:28 of those magical boxes that we we've said, oh, this is different from every day. 13:34 It's just created to keep us in that sympathetic drive like work, 13:38 to be upset, to to be overwhelmed. 13:41 And I think more and more we recognize that almost as like 13:44 a tool of keeping the masses frozen. 13:47 Absolutely. 13:48 That's, you know, and the funny, the the interesting thing 13:51 about all of this is that when people are stuck 13:55 in that sympathetic mode day after day, it's a grind. 13:59 It's they don't look forward to anything. 14:01 They get sick, 14:02 the immune system drops, the stress gets overwhelming, inflammation builds. 14:06 They never have a chance to switch off or realize that you should spend 14:11 three, four, five, six hours a day in Paris. 14:14 Empathetic in constructive activities. 14:16 Not mindless activities, but constructive ways like reading, 14:19 like art, like music, like any of those things that you 14:23 that develop you and still evolve you, but that give you pleasure and joy. 14:27 Absolutely. 14:28 That, you know, not just, 14:30 yeah, and you're not thinking of getting out of the present moment. 14:33 They're not pulling you out. 14:34 They're keeping you in the present moment. 14:36 And it's almost like we can't even start talking about like, what is that doing? 14:41 What's that breath? 14:43 So let's have done the breath okay? Okay. 14:46 What's happening? 14:47 Okay. Yeah. 14:48 It's exciting. It is exciting stuff. 14:50 And as you alluded to earlier before they before we started this interview, 14:55 we talked about Flow state talks about the research from the that great Hungarian. 14:59 Yeah. Holly chick. Summer. Holly. Yeah. 15:02 Exactly. Exactly. 15:04 Great stuff. His books are still being read. 15:07 You know, being born Amazon and read and everything. 15:09 And to answer your question, right, that 15:12 what's happening when you do this breath okay. 15:16 So it's the brain is activation of hormones in the brain 15:20 which already there is such a shame that we're all very powerful. 15:24 We all have very powerful brains, and we only tap such 15:27 a small percentage of it in terms of its potential and its ability. 15:31 It's just it's so saddening, you know. 15:34 So what happens when you do this breathing method? 15:37 You release endorphins from the brain, which pain relieving chemicals. 15:42 It's, you know, serotonin and dopamine, which are feel good happy moments. 15:46 And plus you also activate the vagus nerve, 15:49 which is important for parasympathetic nervous activation 15:53 in terms of rest, digest, healing, sleep and so on. 15:57 And because this method does all of those four things at once, that's why 16:02 it has such a powerful leveraged effect in such a short period of time. 16:06 But it's never been done before. 16:07 This way people are shocked how they feel within 60s like this is flow state. 16:12 I'm in flow state. I've never been in flow state. 16:14 I thought I had to be a marathon runner 16:16 or two to run for ten miles to get into flow state. 16:19 Now I'm done like I'm. 16:21 Yeah. 16:21 Do you remember that first moment you felt that? 16:24 Do you have a memory of, like what? 16:26 That was, like sublime. 16:28 If I can say that. Sublime. 16:30 It's like taking on an identity which is so vast beyond your body that you use. 16:36 You never realize who you were or what you were before. 16:40 And when. 16:41 This method, when we if we talk about it, maybe we can even do a minute with you 16:45 on, on a podcast. 16:46 Through it, you you realize that you've never been taught 16:50 how important it is to learn concentration or focus or breathing methods, 16:55 or how important it is to your entire life to gain, to flow, state and stay 16:59 there as long as you can. 17:00 So it's a surreal and sublime experience, and it's like 17:05 with everything, you have to experience it for yourself to know absolutely. 17:09 It's one of those things where and you're right, we've been doing, you know, 17:14 I was just looking at the data on this and even as late as 2018, early as 2018, 17:20 you know, systematic review, like how breath control can change your life. 17:25 That's how they label this 2018 study. 17:28 Right? 17:28 So this is this is all where we're proving this, 17:31 where we're looking at the EEG, we're looking at the fMRI eyes. 17:35 We're looking at what parts of the brain are being activated. 17:37 We're correlating that to the actual experience 17:42 that you're having and going like yeah, you're not imagining like, 17:45 you know, this is this is I'm making this up everybody. 17:48 And then you do this on 100, you know, brains and you're like, oh, 17:51 this is a predictable response 17:54 to this kind of method. 17:57 Right. 17:57 And then they're seeing like, oh, there's psychological and behavioral outputs. 18:02 You know, the alphas going up and the theta you know, is going down. 18:06 They're they're seeing autonomic changes. 18:08 Your heart rate, your respiration. 18:10 Yeah. 18:11 They're they're looking at like, oh, you've shut down your cortisol overload 18:15 and you've got this beautiful serotonin starting up. 18:18 So you've literally just flipped a switch. 18:22 It's really like that right. 18:25 To be out. 18:26 And and it's possible. 18:28 You know, we're even still now having to convince people 18:31 that it's possible, even after they've felt it in their own bodies, 18:35 like it's just because yeah, I it was, 18:39 you know, was 18:40 the amazing thing is because it's so not part of the narrative in society, 18:45 they don't have anything to relate it to because they've never felt that before. 18:48 So it's difficult for them to connect and contextualize 18:52 where this fits because it's completely unique. 18:55 Absolutely. 18:55 And let's also, you know, bring two things to the fore, 18:59 which is nowadays in 2025, we are we've been 19:04 we've been taught, we've been kind of 19:07 led down to the evolutionary kind of place where if something doesn't cost money, 19:13 it must not be really right. 19:16 If it's not a product outside of myself, if it's not surgery, 19:20 if it's not like something massive, you know, we devalue things 19:24 that are maybe a little too accessible, you know. 19:28 Oh, it's the breath. It's the breath. It's just my breath. 19:30 It's like what breath? 19:31 Like if it's like that. 19:35 And then I have to say, you know, we come from the South Asian 19:39 heritage that explored all of this. 19:42 Yeah. 19:43 And wrote it down and 19:47 and blended it with Sanskrit with an entire philosophy 19:51 of being and technology, which is an oral tradition. 19:56 And we know that those things are all so part of it, like music and sound 20:00 and math and geometry and and all of that and connected to, to in the body. 20:05 So it's like the only place you got to go is to access it in your body. 20:08 You don't need a yoga mat, you don't need anything else. 20:12 You need only just this, that you already have. 20:16 I mean, eccentric like you to explain it to them, right? 20:20 Right. 20:21 They knew it that that was like, imagine that. Right? 20:23 Like a society walking around, which is where I think, you know, 20:26 I always want to pause and give gratitude to our ancestors 20:31 for, wow, like, 20:34 I mean, to be one of the great cultures 20:38 of of human history, 20:41 to actually think about, put so much attention 20:45 and care to human flourishing and to really recognize 20:49 that that's possible, that there's some and and I mean, I think about 20:53 I think about a society that systematically had to figure this out 20:57 without all the tools and tricks and things that we have right now. 21:00 Right, right. 21:01 And to communicate it and to encode it and to transmit it 21:06 across thousands of years in a way that's lasted. 21:09 That's right. 21:10 And we're not doing any of that right now 21:12 through the discussions that we're having, you know, and helping people 21:16 to experience this, you know, people like yourself and, and if I may say 21:20 so myself as well, like blending these 21:23 ideas together and putting out there in the public. 21:26 And even if the way people want to consume is lab products like apps 21:30 like Calm, the Calm Apple, the headspace app, or whichever, 21:34 I mean that that's okay as well. 21:35 But I'll tell you something really interesting. 21:38 When we spoke to Novartis, the medical company, 21:42 they they're very keen on learning. 21:44 Certain people are very keen on learning about mindset 21:47 because they always want to be at the cutting edge of technology. 21:50 Neurotechnology and you kind of and they're like, I did the Andrew Shipman 21:56 things, the sleep without, 21:58 you know, the rest without sleep meditations. 22:01 Did Wim Hof and when they compared out the three three, they were like, 22:07 this is so much easier and it's more effective and wow, like, 22:12 you know, so the point is that we're all human beings, we're all human beings. 22:17 And I always like to see the connectivity and the relationship between people 22:21 rather than be disparate and separate and divisive, you know, unity. 22:27 So we're getting it right. 22:29 Yeah. 22:29 That's where we're at right 22:30 now, is that there's so many things that want to separate us. 22:34 And here is something that's holistic, meaning comprising the whole. 22:38 Right. 22:39 And maybe we can lead it into the discussion 22:41 or just a demonstration, because one of the ways in which I, 22:45 as a psychedelic practitioner, am trained in these states 22:49 is to actually participate in hello, Tropic breathwork. 22:52 Yeah. 22:53 You know, there's a certain kind also, you know, using the breath to induce 22:58 an altered state of consciousness or a non ordinary state of consciousness. 23:02 And I can totally attest to like, 23:06 you know, a room full of, you know, these are professionals 23:09 in a training that have been professionals, people 23:12 who've been in healing for so long have seen all kinds of things. 23:15 Right. And all of us have our little skeptical brain. 23:18 It's like, what it's not going to be. 23:19 It's not going to be anything, you know, and like three hours later 23:24 to kind of see what the conversation has turned to, 23:28 which is like, oh my God, what just happened? 23:33 Because not only did I go into, 23:36 you know, an altered state, but what was coming through, what is going 23:40 through is what you're talking about is there's there's we become more aligned. 23:45 Yeah. Right. 23:46 It's like we're kind of we're kind of radios 23:49 and we're on the wrong, you know, our dials on the wrong place. 23:53 We dial it in and you're like, wait a second, 23:56 I can hear what the universe has to say to me 24:00 in a way that I otherwise don't have access to. 24:03 And it cuts away that idea that I'm lonely, right? 24:07 And just off by myself. Yeah, I'm actually not. 24:10 I'm kind of, like, embedded. Right. 24:12 And it's just, it's it's a fascinating place. 24:14 So maybe we can kind of connect over that. 24:17 And. Yeah, absolutely happy to do the, you know, a little demonstration and see, 24:22 you know, you're reacting to your, your peers, your daughter, peers who, 24:26 you know, in the conventional space of healing and so on. 24:30 Do they do they feel like you're you're too much for them, like 24:34 your paradigm is way too vast. 24:36 I can't quite connect with you. 24:37 How does that go socially with you? 24:39 I'm just curious about that. Right. Because 24:43 I think I 24:45 get the same thing you get about the birds of a feather flock together, right? 24:49 So how does it how do you navigate? 24:51 Oh, true. So true. 24:53 You know, and I think this is progressing I think we've connected on LinkedIn. 24:56 So, you know, just even going to the place of seeing professionals
Live Three-Three Breathing Demonstration 25:00 are now connecting on professional platforms where, 25:05 you know, these topics are at least bubbling up. 25:08 Right? They're they're there. 25:09 So there's there's a place being made. 25:11 But yeah, personally speaking, I kind of have had I've been on a westward 25:15 trajectory my entire life, from like childhood to middle of my life 25:20 to like even west going west through the United States. 25:24 And it really had to do with California and being in California 25:28 and being part of a culture where, you know, yoga 25:32 really embedded itself in the California kind of culture, right? 25:37 The mindset, the openness, the ability to and they've carried it really well. 25:42 I think, you know, just to just to say that, you know, you 25:46 can you can find the Self-Realization fellowship here. 25:49 You have lots of history here, of lots of communities 25:54 that have come together around these things. Right. 25:56 And then you talk about, you know, the psychedelics are another thing 26:00 which I think has led to a lot more cognitive openness. 26:03 I mean, it's an open secret that Silicon Valley and some of the big, 26:08 you know, kind of discoveries that we're making are really 26:11 being supported by psychedelics that are by rampant psychedelic use 26:15 and Silicon Valley, you know, so there is this kind of understanding that 26:19 how do you I mean, just even think about where we are going with AI 26:23 and the math and like, just quantum physics is like, 26:26 how do you even understand those without an understanding of this? 26:30 Right. Yeah. Is that right? 26:32 Is there like we've come full circle to where our science has gone to the place 26:36 where it's like, yeah, there's spooky action at a distance. 26:40 You know, quantum mechanics is like, yeah, if two 26:43 variables are entangled, two particles are entangled. 26:46 You know, they are constantly 26:49 now aware of each other in some way. 26:52 They're they're communicating with us. 26:55 Yeah. Yeah. 26:57 So I think the world is moving that way and some faster than others 27:00 is what I want to say. 27:01 But it is going rapidly. 27:03 And I think it's really growing in our, in our younger cohort, 27:07 you know, in our younger generations who are, 27:11 you know, really having to contend with this idea that, you know, you 27:14 and I didn't really have this when we were growing 27:17 up, probably of like the cell phone and how powerful a device it is 27:21 and how perfectly it's aligned to take my attention. 27:24 And isn't this technology that we're talking about really 27:28 redeveloping your own relationship to your own attention? 27:32 Yes. I had to decide. Yes. 27:35 So nobody else. 27:37 And so I think this generation is going to have a huge backlash 27:40 because they're going to recognize they are recognizing, you know, that. 27:44 Yeah, this is we give away a lot when we give it away our attention. 27:48 I don't think we realize how much we're giving. 27:51 Amazing, amazing. 27:52 It's you know, it's it's again, you know, you have some feelings at 27:57 certain points of life where you connect with certain people and you're thinking, 28:00 is this a clone of me? 28:01 Like, this is what I think about all day, every day, 28:04 and it's saying the same thing. 28:05 This is crazy, right? 28:07 And this is the first time we connected on 28:08 a, on a, on a call, literally our first conversation. 28:11 Right. And mind blowing, isn't it? 28:13 It's just crazy. You find your tribe. 28:16 Yeah. Frequency and vibration. 28:18 Not necessarily where you're born or the family you're born 28:21 in, but the people that resonate at your frequency. 28:24 I agree, I agree, and we're doing that. 28:26 We're absolutely in the process of doing that. 28:29 I found alien, alien. 28:30 I found each other kind of through a similar thing. 28:33 It was like, we are so similar that when we tracked back our life 28:37 to medical school, we had actually been in the same place at the same time. 28:42 And then we're both pediatricians, pediatric hospitalist, 28:45 generic medicine got involved in medical education. 28:48 We were like looking at each other going, you know, and our first conversation 28:52 was just like this mic drop moment of like, what's happening here? 28:55 There's you, you exist, you're out there. 28:57 And that brings so much like beauty and joy to the theoretical. 29:02 So you both on the same kind of hello tropic and mind expanding. 29:06 So the way that we both have the same kind of practice 29:10 of psychedelic medicine, she's just jumped in a year before I did. 29:14 And so we're, 29:16 you know, and it's rare to find pediatricians 29:17 and we're also from the same part of the world. 29:19 And you know, we kind of started this podcast going, there is something here. 29:24 Yeah. 29:25 You know, from our Western trained physician, 29:28 science based, you know, she even did a degree in engineering. 29:32 You know, like there is something really concrete here. 29:37 And people need to be aware of it. 29:39 People need to own it and learn about it. 29:43 And so even just recognizing, I know we talked about this as like 29:47 physicians are recognizing and all of us in science are recognizing is that 29:50 our pace of discovery has grown so much 29:54 that we need to update this meta update our operating system. 29:59 Right? 29:59 Oh, absolutely. 30:01 Absolutely. And this is how we're doing it, right. 30:03 This is how we're doing it. 30:04 We're creating neuroplasticity because what you're doing with the breath 30:07 too, is we're we're giving the brain 30:11 something new to think about going, oh, I'm curious about this. 30:14 I don't have a framework to understand what is happening in my mind and body 30:18 when I go into this space. 30:20 Exactly right. Let me figure this out. 30:23 Yeah. 30:24 Because when you when you open that neuro plastic window through these breathing 30:28 methods, you've got now a vast space that you never had before. 30:33 And now usually when you're in action reaction mode, 30:36 when you're in the parasympathetic, you don't think about your reaction. 30:39 You just react. 30:41 But when you open a neural plastic window, everything slows down. 30:45 So then you can say, oh, well, there's no rush. 30:48 I can think several options how to react from that 30:51 particular action or whatever it is. 30:54 And now from that point of view, you're more you're far more empowered, 30:57 whether you're addicted to substances or you have serious, 31:01 you know, emotional issues, emotions at a point of intense, hard 31:05 to control anger or whatever it is, you can actually in that neuro 31:10 plastic window, you can melt a lot of those old hard wired 31:14 reactions to something more positive, constructive. 31:18 If you utilize that neuro plastic window. 31:21 So. Right. 31:22 It looks like the habits, the things we do, 31:24 the more often we get into that rut and it becomes a very strong rut, right? 31:28 That's what we know is the more the same habit you do that the next seven 31:31 days, it's going to become like, yeah, it's not going to be new anymore. 31:35 And I absolutely. 31:36 You describe that so well that 31:38 when we're given that opportunity of space and that neuro plastic window, 31:42 it means that a new connection can be made and absolutely right. 31:46 The experience of it is like little time slows down. 31:50 You know, it's like your brain is moving a little faster than it used to 31:55 because it's not just got this one pathway. 31:58 The rut that's been made of like, this is my trigger and responds, 32:02 yeah, it's like, whoa, a menu just opened up right? 32:05 Right. And eviction. 32:07 See this all the time. 32:09 Because this is exactly the experience of, you know, when you've had that reset 32:14 where psychedelics people recognize they're walking about their 32:17 everyday lives, they're not on any medication. 32:20 And yet they got their trigger and there's just a split 32:24 second of going, oh, oh, there's a different possibility here. 32:29 And oh, I can take it. 32:30 And then they do that the next day, and then they do that the next day. 32:34 And they're like, oh, this is now a real thing in my life. Yes. 32:38 You know, that's a possibility that's opened up. 32:40 I remember the first time 32:41 this experiencing this was after a really powerful meditation when I was pregnant. 32:45 And we know that, like, 32:47 you know, pregnancy is one of those kind of places 32:49 where you can kind of travel a little bit more. 32:52 Your mind body is really connected. 32:54 And I did a powerful meditation, and it was about changing 32:58 the narrative in my brain. 32:59 It's like I had a very negatively kind of skewed, you know, self-image. 33:04 And I was like really kind of praying and in meditation and, 33:08 and going, I don't want this to impact my child. 33:11 You know, that was my day. 33:12 The next day, the thought comes and boom, it stops right here. 33:17 Instead of kind of like getting a hook in me, 33:20 I'm like, oh, but I don't have to think that thought right now. 33:23 I chose not to think that thought right now. 33:25 I choose not to think that thought right now. 33:27 And in that that space opened up. 33:30 You know, I remember that that was just an 33:33 I put it together way later of what really happened. 33:37 I didn't know what I was doing. 33:38 I was just kind of like in a state, you know, but to even recognize that, 33:43 yeah, our bodies and especially female bodies, it's really interesting 33:46 you say that you've worked with a lot of women, 33:48 you know, because our emotions are openings, right? 33:50 Our emotions, our information. 33:53 That's kind of what we also think about. 33:55 I was like, oh, what's that emotion telling you? 33:57 Oh, you're more open to that. 34:00 Yeah. 34:01 And well let's direct attention to that. 34:03 What's that asking you? What does it want you to show up. 34:05 So I actually yeah. Brilliant. 34:08 What we can do I mean we can go through the method 34:10 and then we have a good time to sort of debrief and kind of sense 34:14 how you're reacting to it and how you're processing. 34:16 I think that be interesting I be great. 34:19 Thank you so and so I'll talk you through it briefly. 34:22 So first we do check the nostril flow. 34:25 So we blocked the right nostril and breathe out the left once. 34:28 And then we block the left nostril. 34:30 Breathe out the right ones and get a sense of the balance. 34:34 Or if one is more open in the other, what's yours? 34:36 Right now it's 5050. 34:37 Or is it 6040 or it's a little more closed on the left. 34:42 Okay. 34:42 So would you say 4060 then roughly, yeah. 34:47 And on a scale of 1 to 10. 34:49 Yeah. It's interesting. 34:51 The navel flows in yoga. So interesting. 34:54 On a scale of 1 to 10 where one is you don't feel that great in ten years. 34:58 You feel amazing. 34:59 Where would you say you see on that scale? Roughly?
Applications for Stress, Sleep, and Healing 35:02 We did a wonderful we're in the middle 35:03 of a wonderful conversation, so I'm feeling really good. 35:07 Yeah, I was like eight, eight, nine feel so good. 35:11 Yeah. Awesome. 35:12 Okay, so this this method, it's very gentle. 35:16 It's very soft. 35:18 It's designed to be as accessible to as many human beings as possible. 35:22 So I know we, you know, we're creating various collaborations and products to, 35:28 to make it easy for people to read or listen to what happens, a tutorial. 35:32 But it's really designed to be non complicated. 35:36 You don't have to focus on your diaphragm, you don't have to focus on your belly. 35:42 You don't have to focus on your clavicles because people say, oh, I'm a belly. 35:45 Breathe. Oh, I'm a diaphragmatic breathing. 35:47 Oh, I'm an upper, you know, high stress, anxiety breather. 35:51 Yeah, I do this. 35:52 You don't need to do any of that. 35:54 So that that makes people feel relaxed. 35:56 I oh, it's nothing so scientific that I have to learn. 36:00 No, no, you're a human being. You're breathing. 36:03 You have a brain. You're good. Yeah, 36:05 exactly. 36:06 And the thing is, with this, if you can count to three, one, 36:10 two, three, you can do it. 36:11 So there's no need to count me in. 36:13 Box breathing. Separate counts. 36:15 Nothing like that. 36:16 So this one. 36:18 That's right. 36:18 You breathe in three times through the nose like sniff, sniff sniff like. 36:23 And then it's three times out of the mouth like this. 36:27 Yeah. 36:27 So I know the mic won't pick it up because it eliminates the hall sounds 36:31 and stuff like that. 36:32 So it'll be like, ha ha, like you're saying, 36:36 ha ha ha ha ha ha. 36:39 Correct. Without the vocal stuff. 36:41 Okay, like that, it's coming from the back of the throat. 36:46 So take a little sip. Something. 36:49 Yeah. It's nice. 36:50 So it's again, just so that people who are listening can hear it. 36:55 So sniff, sniff, sniff through the nose, which is sniff, 36:58 sniff, sniff and then through the mouth without the vocals. 37:01 And it sounds like, like that. 37:04 Okay. 37:05 So what we'll do do for a minute together when I set the timer. 37:09 And for this one, keep your eyes closed 37:11 and you'll notice the kind of energy shifts and changes within. 37:15 Okay. 37:16 So 3 to 1 and go. 37:21 Keep your eyes closed. Just relax. 37:24 Just feel what's happening within. 37:26 Just relax when you're ready. 37:29 See me keeping your eyes closed. 37:32 Noticing how you feel. 37:33 I went through like a couple of phases and just recognizing, almost like 37:37 the blood flow in my body have shifted into more like my belly region. 37:43 And I feel like a pins and needles in my feet, in my hands, and 37:47 like a downward like if I were a to where all my energy of my blood 37:52 was kind of like flowing into my head, it kind of shifted. 37:56 And so accompanying that some warmth and cold, 37:59 alternating wave of showing up in different parts. 38:02 Interesting. 38:03 Yeah, I like my face 38:06 and definitely feel a little bit of like I 38:08 initially I felt like that I smelled the the smell of the earth, which to me is 38:14 familiar feeling when I get into a state of more connectedness. 38:18 It's like, oh, I can like breathe the earth more. 38:21 You know, I actually like that, actually. 38:23 Did you feel any cool sensations around your sinuses? 38:26 Who knows, maybe right here. 38:29 Yeah, yeah. 38:30 The pleasant. Yeah, that was really nice. 38:34 Oh, like, got some. 38:35 Put a cold pack on my face. 38:37 Exactly, exactly. 38:39 And would you say your your heart rate slowed down a little bit. 38:43 I check that, but from the way I'm kind of feeling 38:47 how my shoulders are down and I'm not as kind of constricted, 38:50 I'm more kind of open in my muscles, you know? 38:54 Yeah. Do the heart rate slowed down a little bit? 38:56 Yeah. My respiration and my heart rate both slowed down. 38:59 I even noticed, like towards the end, that the horse, 39:02 kind of took a little bit more time. 39:05 Yes, yes, yes. 39:07 She noticed some mental chatter that most of us have the monkey mind. 39:13 You notice that quiet down. 39:14 But like, I'm more here, I'm less centered. 39:17 I'm not out there. 39:19 There's nothing pulling me out of myself. 39:22 Like I'm not worried about my phone. 39:24 There's no. 39:25 What's the next thing? Anxiety. 39:27 Yeah, my anxiety is dial down. 39:29 I don't mind, I'm more centered here. 39:33 Could you say this or mental chatters decreased. 39:37 There's zero. Wow. 39:39 That's big because a lot of people can't switch that. 39:42 Oh yeah. 39:43 You feel to me that you've got a so expanded awareness 39:46 like beyond the body, like a kind of expansion of being. 39:51 Do you say? 39:52 Yeah, I feel like I've taken up more space in my body. 39:55 Like I feel like I was only occupying a little bit. 39:59 I feel like, yeah, I'm kind of like, in my body more. 40:03 That's how I'm experiencing it. 40:04 Like I been, like, wearing a coat, a little bit more comfortability happening. 40:09 Anything, anything beyond the body is interesting today in your viewpoints. 40:14 But do you feel anything like spatial awareness, 40:17 like projecting beyond the body or anything like that? 40:21 Yeah, definitely. 40:22 An awareness came of where my feet were in space, my body in space. 40:27 I kind of really came into this idea that, oh, I am a body in space 40:32 instead of like only in my head and only in my words. 40:36 Right? 40:38 I became, 40:40 oh, there's the feet, okay. 40:41 Feet are here to feel pleasant to over. 40:44 Feels very nice. 40:45 Yeah. If you can check your nostril flow. 40:47 You said it was a 4060, I think last time. 40:51 Can you check and see if it's changed? 40:54 Breathe out once each each nostril. 40:56 Oh my goodness. 40:57 What do you say has really moved from the 40 to the. 40:59 It's more open 5050. Would you say that. 41:03 Yeah. Yeah. 41:03 Like 45 5055. 41:07 Yeah. And I have a deviated is a 41:09 so but yeah. 41:12 Wow okay okay okay. 41:14 Oh it's works really well with children who have a lot of mucus. 41:18 And you know Qatar around that area because it helps 41:23 to reduce the amount of that mucus build up quickly. 41:27 Okay. 41:28 Now, on a scale of 1 to 10, see me. 41:31 How surprised are you, how quickly this worked? 41:34 I'm just kind of want to check. Right. 41:36 These are reds. 41:38 Like it's amazing, right? 41:39 It's like there's that moment of like, oh, something is happening. 41:43 Let me pay attention to that. Yeah. 41:45 And as soon as I did, I started noticing and oh my gosh, 41:50 I'm in a different place than where I was when I started. 41:54 I'm truly in my body more and I'm in my body 41:58 in a different way, and I'm breathing in a different way. 42:02 I like more focused in on the sensations 42:06 and aware of the pleasantness of being. 42:09 Or before I was feeling a little bit of pre-lunch hunger. 42:12 That's kind of awesome. 42:15 Yeah. 42:15 So I'm really surprised, like now that I'm kind of taking stock 42:18 like I did not expect, you know, and sometimes it's hard to know where I'm 42:21 going to go and the mind or the body, but it was nice to like drop into. 42:25 Yeah. So on the scale of 1 to 10, 42:27 where would you say roughly how surprised you are. 42:29 Oh goodness. Yeah. Like a nine. 42:32 Like an eye. Yeah. Like blown away. 42:35 Yeah. 42:36 If you imagine you just did this for 60s, 42:39 if you did this for 2 or 3 minutes, the effect will compound. 42:43 How do you think you feel then? 42:44 Oh my gosh. It's like a mush puddle. 42:46 So you're just really in myself. 42:50 Oh my gosh. 42:51 I want to do this before I start journaling in the morning. 42:54 Yeah. 42:54 Or like just like, 42:57 oh, I'm really upset by the news and I've taken in as much as I can. 43:00 I need to get out of this state 43:02 that I'm feeling right now because this is a tick. 43:05 Yeah. My gosh, how did I did the first? 43:08 It it's a first because I can really connect with like I mean 43:12 even our conversation was kind of like we we prepped it really well. 43:16 So I feel like I did a whole three minutes here probably. 43:19 And I'm already primed. 43:20 But yeah, yeah, I'm really kind of seeing the uses of this 43:26 and yeah, see now I'm like, now I'm back into 43:29 starting to kind of come back to that other state that I was in before. 43:33 And I can feel that kind of like 43:35 a little bit of reflux, a little burning in my chest. 43:38 And then it's just crept back in 43:42 as I'm kind of getting back into my brain, because now that my brain is working 43:45 more and I'm back in our podcast, the blood flow is again shifting, right? 43:51 Yeah, I think. 43:53 Right. 43:53 So interesting. Yeah. 43:54 So three minutes, five minutes, seven minutes. 43:57 When you do this, you prolong that flow effect. 44:02 And if you do it for seven minutes, three times a day, you'll be in flow all day. 44:06 And you can have a successful podcast. But 44:10 we had a woman from Dublin 44:12 business to a very, very high level of business and lots of stress. 44:18 And she said to me, what happened? 44:20 I did this message for three minutes before these meetings. 44:24 Everybody, all the noise stops, 44:27 all my inner resistance melts away. 44:30 Everyone's nodding their head. 44:31 Yes. In agreement. 44:32 Yes, yes, yes. 44:35 And but I didn't do anything. 44:36 And she says, what is happening? 44:39 I said, what happens is when you get into flow, 44:43 you remove all negative static and people sense in feeling. 44:48 You know intuitively that you are feeling great. 44:52 And when you feel great, the energy conveys 44:55 and they just tend to flow with you and agree with you. 44:59 That's what's happening. 45:00 So yeah, well, this is making total sense to me 45:05 from what we're learning about all these, you know, kind of studies 45:09 that we're doing now in group psychedelic journeys. 45:13 Right? 45:14 So when we actually get into a mind state like this, like we could do this study 45:19 tomorrow, you know, there's the EEG available, you can put on the cap, 45:23 you put a whole bunch of people and really recognize, like, oh, 45:26 we've just changed what is in between us, 45:29 this intersubjective space between 45:33 two humans and a human and a bunch of other humans, 45:37 and how we've changed the nature of that is immediate. 45:41 It's impactful. 45:42 It's energetic. 45:44 It's without words. 45:46 You've just done it with just creating 45:49 the conditions in your body to tune in. 45:53 It's right. Right. 45:55 And then those bodies have kind of picked up on that subconsciously. 45:58 They're not doing this consciously. 46:00 Correct. Right. 46:02 And it's replicable every single time you do it. 46:05 It works every single time. 46:08 Oh my gosh. 46:08 Because then subconsciously 46:10 they don't even know that they're connecting with you on that level. 46:14 And and how the flow of ideas and how, you know. 46:20 Right. 46:20 We're transmitting what we're all kind of hoping to hear in these groups. 46:23 Right. 46:24 We all get into meetings hoping to get to agreement, but we're like, 46:28 oh, I want these people to be convinced by what I see is my vision. 46:32 However, our mind and our preconceived notions 46:35 and our judgments are getting in and we're cut off to the information down here. 46:40 So we've just only been using a subpar channeled communication. 46:45 And and now here we are going, oh, there's a whole other channel. 46:48 We haven't even been communicating on. 46:51 I have a theory that this is how mobs form and this is how, 46:55 you know, because this can't this is already like an action, right? 46:58 This is something that I think exists in our world. 47:01 Like I have seen, you know, I've been in in countries where it's like 47:05 it hasn't taken more than like a second 47:08 for whatever energy was having, 47:11 you know, kind of happening in a mob to really get picked up 47:15 by everybody so fast that it was nonverbal, it was nonverbal. 47:19 It happens in violent states, you know, so just even thinking of anger 47:24 and the way anger makes us breathe, right? 47:26 Like when people get angry, they're breathing, right. 47:29 They are breathing 47:30 like they're getting their body going and they get that channel right. 47:35 So they're getting on a different channel and a different channel. 47:39 And I really think that's one of the things is, is that we're 47:42 unconsciously able to connect 47:45 with people in these states, but how wonderful it is that we can get 47:51 into these states for peace, for communication, for good luck. 47:57 Absolutely. 47:58 Because what you when you think about it, what you're saying makes again, great. 48:01 You know, adding to my stock of knowledge as well, 48:04 because when we're in rhythm, the breathing goes like this. 48:06 Now it's a soft, gentle rhythm rather than erratic 48:11 like this, where it's illogical and it becomes unpleasant. 48:14 It's more regulated and gentle and smooth, and your heart rate your, 48:19 you know, organs also feel at rest, at peace. 48:22 They're optimize. They're functioning well. 48:24 You're digesting food well, you feel good. 48:26 And I think I'm sure they've changed. 48:29 And even like blood flow to the side of your brain 48:32 until the networks of your brain, like we are talking about down to that level, 48:36 right. 48:37 Because we know yogis who can do breath methods and sit in frozen cold 48:42 with absolutely no clothes on for hours and hours and hours, not freeze. 48:45 They're doing something. Yes. 48:47 And they're controlling their mind body to such an extent 48:52 where they're not freezing to death. 48:53 So it's possible with training to even get to that level. 48:57 And that's that mastery. 48:58 So maybe as we kind of wrap up our 49:01 our conversation here, and I don't know if you had something else to add to that, 49:04 but just even like this idea that we can master this body 49:09 and, and I think there is this huge call to human 49:13 flourishing and evolution and really meeting our moment, right? 49:19 And recognizing that we are operating on an older operating system 49:24 of, you know, maybe dualism, 49:26 or maybe this constructed materialist Western mindset 49:30 that breaks everything down, but then takes all the magic out. 49:35 Right? 49:35 And here we are going, no, you can actually feel the magic in your body right 49:39 this minute right now, because it's here around us all the time. 49:41 Because you wouldn't be here. I wouldn't be here. 49:43 None of us would be here. 49:44 For example, it's so well said. 49:46 And I think, you know, 49:47 as you alluded to, the you could do it tomorrow, these tests and so on. 49:52 I would say let's, let's do it 49:53 because then we could show people that this is real 49:56 and you can feel this for yourself and go teach it.
Psychedelics, Consciousness, and Human Flourishing 50:00 We can go promoted to corporate. 50:02 You know, so many organizations are stressed out that, you know, even between 50:07 even reconciling relationship problems between husband and wife 50:10 or partners and they go, kids, I feel sorry for the children. 50:13 They have to bear the brunt of conflicts which could easily be resolved, 50:18 you know, so it gets us out of that fighting mode and gets us into at least, 50:23 you know, I mean, any time I want to have a really difficult 50:27 conversation with somebody, I do want to make sure 50:30 that they're ready to receive it or coming from their best place. 50:33 And I want to make sure I'm coming from my best place. Right. 50:36 And what an effective tool to make sure that we know one we can get there. 50:41 We can do that together. 50:42 And if we can at least communicate from that place, 50:46 you know, most people can resolve most conflicts from that. 50:49 Just like I know what you're saying. 50:50 Yeah. Do you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you. 50:52 Because the chatter in my mind is gone down. 50:55 Exactly. 50:56 So you don't have that alter ego like that kind of monkey mind trying to jeopardize 51:02 what you're trying to achieve together as a as a team or group or partner 51:06 holding on to that story. Right. 51:07 Holding on to that horrible story. 51:09 And that's where narrative medicine, I think social justice 51:11 and all of that come in, which is just like we've been sold a story 51:15 about ourselves, which is, you know, 51:18 sin and redemption when we we're bad, you know, 51:22 we got to fight our worst selves, blah, blah, blah. 51:25 And it's like been created into this kind of matrix 51:29 where we're always looking for the wrong in somebody because they wronged us. 51:32 And I'm perfect, you know, because there's always this dualism 51:36 that's like, you know, we're all flawed. 51:39 Nobody's perfect, you know, even in that. 51:42 Or you can get to a solution here between the two of us that at least 51:48 appeals to our higher selves, to our better selves. 51:51 Absolutely. 51:52 I would say we have people like you with the experimental side of the science. 51:56 We can definitely bring that together 51:58 with the experience, with the narrative, with the communication. 52:02 I think I feel like we could do a lot in a relatively short time. 52:06 Quite. It's very exciting, actually. It is. 52:08 And I saw the just when you led me in that I just felt so held and so safe. 52:14 You like you dropped me in just exactly right. 52:18 Like there's an art to this. 52:20 And even just the way you did it is a science. 52:23 You know, there's a process. 52:25 And so just even training in this, learning in this, like you're a teacher, 52:30 you take it to your classroom 52:31 full of 20 rambunctious students, and you just do this for five minutes 52:35 and you have a different day where they just take it over. 52:40 And you're right. 52:40 And you know to me that this with insomnia in the world, you know, 770 million 52:45 people globally suffering with insomnia, it's about 10% of the world's population. 52:50 I'll tell you an interesting little slide, hopefully will give you something to 52:53 think about. 52:53 And I'm sure we'll continue this when people with insomnia do this method 52:59 within 30 to 60 to 90s, they fall asleep and they don't wake up for six hours. 53:04 Oh, I'm going to try this on my patients because I have 53:07 we do yoga nidra, you know, which I think gets gets to that place. 53:11 But this, this I did not know, you know and I, and I read your, your stuff, 53:16 but it was just like, you know, these are the barriers in my mind, right? 53:20 These are literally the barriers in my mind that look at everything. 53:24 And here I have this conversation. 53:26 And then I have my actual literal patients who have insomnia. 53:29 And they're on so many medications and they're right. 53:32 They're chasing their tail. 53:33 They're tired. 53:33 The next day, you know, and it's that monkey mind. 53:37 It's it's it's because our bodies have. 53:40 And the more time we stay in a state like, I love what you said about 53:44 we've got to spend at least 5 to 6 hours every day in an alternative state, 53:49 our parasympathetic, and bringing that into our consciousness 53:52 that that's what's happening is that when you can't sleep, it's 53:56 because your mind is in the wrong mode, your body is in the wrong mode. 54:00 And yeah, you have the ability. 54:03 And let's try this before we try medications. Right. 54:06 And I know that there are pharmaceutical companies that are going to go 54:10 ballistic hearing this. Right. 54:11 Like there goes their sales cap or whatever it is. 54:15 But I just love this idea of self-mastery because I really do 54:19 think that change starts from the inside if we want to change the world. 54:22 And I just love your message and I love your goal of a billion people, 54:26 because that's how we change the vibration and the energy of where we are. 54:31 Yeah, yeah. 54:32 I feel like this has been a very thorough deep dive and fun 54:36 and entertaining conversation, and I hope we'll have, you know, a chance 54:40 to dial in more science into it and maybe do 54:44 maybe collaborate on talks or something that brings it to the masses. 54:49 Because, you know, I think we've got the idea a little bit. 54:51 You love to I really want to bring this to and I and I did start 54:55 so during the pandemic, and I can tell you this is I worked at L.A. 54:58 County, Los Angeles County Hospital. 55:00 And, you know, I'm a medical educator, I'm a physician. 55:04 So I was in the hospital. 55:06 And the well-being of our residents are trainees. 55:09 Our medical students just tank. 55:11 I mean, they went to isolation, right? 55:12 Everybody is doing medical school on zoom. 55:15 And so I got into I was already kind of doing 55:19 some of this healing work for myself, doing mindfulness meditation, yoga, 55:23 really delving into the science of like, oh, how do we teach this? 55:27 How do we break it down? 55:28 How do we make it so that, yeah, you don't have to know a lot, 55:32 but you can bring it into your everyday, right? 55:34 That minute? Isn't even that. 55:37 I would like stand in rounds and I'd be like, all right, 55:39 we're going to take a minute of just getting with our breath. 55:42 We're just going to do a box breathing and doing it with our patients 55:46 and the patients being like, oh, the doctors are doing this too. 55:49 So maybe that's that's something I want to get in on, right? 55:53 Like they're like, if we value it, if physicians 55:56 and medical students and trainees and nurses and everybody 56:00 who is in the health care system starts to use this for themselves, 56:03 you know, we we're the best example, right? 56:06 If we're well, they can they know that. 56:08 We know what we're talking about. 56:09 If we're sick, that's that's 56:13 the billboard that's know you're marketing for that. 56:16 You know, every time we say things like that, it brings to mind like what 56:20 I brought into my experience as well, and I share it with people. 56:24 I've not had to not take medicine for 20 years. 56:27 I've not seen a doctor for 20 years. 56:29 I've not had an MRI, an X-ray, an ultrasound for 20 years. 56:32 And it's basically because I charge my immune system a nervous system 56:37 with this atmospheric prana, life energy, life force which is all around us. 56:42 And the idea is you're electromagnetic, you're not sociable. 56:47 And my the aim is to keep expanding your aura or your electromagnetic 56:51 influence more and more and more, not contract it, expand it. 56:55 So that's awesome. Absolutely. 56:57 And and you know, this is connecting so well with my work in psychedelics. 57:01 You know, I'm part of the Berkeley facilitation cohort. 57:05 And when we do some breathwork and we do some meditation 57:10 and we kind of drop in together, we're in a group of 6 or 8, I feel different. 57:15 My aura is different, I present differently. 57:18 We're just different people able to think of different 57:22 possibility is really connecting with our humanness. 57:26 You know? 57:27 And this is where psychedelics kind of, you know, 57:29 we can do it through the breathwork and the practice. 57:31 And, you know, meditators have done it for long periods of time. 57:34 The science is actually showing that your brain on psychedelics and your brain 57:37 on, you know, 20 years of meditation had a lot of correlation. 57:42 And I'm sure if we did this breathwork and we kind of compared the brain scans, 57:46 there would be some functional connectivity and actually, 57:49 you know, yeah, prefrontal motor and, 57:52 and subcortical areas and things like that. 57:56 And just to know that, you know, we are you know, we have 58:01 now we're in the psychedelic renaissance and all of these, 58:06 the all of this money is being poured into drug development. 58:11 Right. 58:11 But what is really, really sad is that we don't need it to pour into 58:16 drug development as much as we need to pour into what's really happening, 58:22 you know, because it connects with what you're doing with the breathwork. 58:25 Yes. It's like if we investigate the psychedelic state, 58:29 we get so much information about exactly what we're talking about. 58:34 You know, it's just that it's quantifiable. 58:37 You can put it in an IV. 58:39 You can, you know, kind of do the sciency part of it. 58:42 Right? Because how do you dose breath? 58:45 Right. 58:46 You compare what's happening in somebody's body. 58:50 You know, like, you know, your our bodies are all different. 58:53 We're all reacting differently to breath. 58:55 But I do believe that there is a thing 59:00 happening here in human consciousness where we're ready to evolve. 59:04 And and I do believe that 59:06 in some ways, the psychedelic renaissance is responding to that 59:11 and being fed by people's need to kind of experience 59:15 what it's like to transcend this 59:19 duality and, and connect with prana. 59:21 Because I'll tell you, in psychedelic journeys, people are open 59:25 in that same way. 59:26 And ketamine actually makes the breath a regular 59:30 kind of increases the rating. 59:33 Yeah. 59:34 And nobody has investigated this to see 59:37 if there is a component of that too, right? 59:40 That it's not just the ketamine molecule, it's 59:42 actually the way it's making people breathe. Yeah. 59:44 So the up regulates your, your your breathing and you breathe deeper. 59:48 And you, you really breathe in better than you ordinarily do. 59:53 And so we, we do a lot of the prep work with some breath and okay. 59:57 And there in the ketamine. 59:58 And then they start to feel the prana in their bodies. 1:00:01 And it's stuck in where they had their trauma 1:00:05 or, you know, it kind of really maps very well on to the chakra system, 1:00:10 but it's really well into the somatic experience. 1:00:13 It's like, what is that? 1:00:14 Oh, your emotional experience of that trauma is stuck 1:00:18 here in your shoulder. 1:00:21 Let's put some pressure on that. 1:00:23 And what happens, you know, and you release that. 1:00:26 You release the story, you release the energy 1:00:30 and that story and energy has less of a hold on you. 1:00:35 Yeah, I really believe that. 1:00:36 That's how it works in trauma. 1:00:39 You know, if we can disclose that we trained 1:00:42 in Oracle, they, experimented with a lot of psychedelics. 1:00:46 And they said on the podcast, actually, they said this life. 1:00:50 They said, oh, I did this method with you. 1:00:53 The three three. It felt like, come on, psychedelics. 1:00:56 So again, as you're saying, the correlation between 1:00:58 these things are very close and they're fascinating. 1:01:03 Yeah. 1:01:03 And I love that we're thinking about it from the perspective of human flourishing 1:01:07 and education and learning and really kind of bringing back the sovereignty, right? 1:01:13 Like giving away our power so much to all these institutions. 1:01:17 And we're recognizing that, no, it's time to reconnect with that power inside. 1:01:24 So I've just been so thrilled to connect with you, Raj, on this conversation. 1:01:28 Like, we we talked dinosaurs and we talked the planet and everything in between. 1:01:33 It's been amazing. 1:01:34 I didn't expect it to be such a, 1:01:36 you know, full on dialog, you know, and it's been so entertaining. 1:01:40 I didn't even look at the time because it was so engaging. 1:01:43 But that's amazing. 1:01:44 Thank you so much for 1:01:46 bringing everything to bear, and I'm sure we're going to have more discussions. 1:01:50 I'm already having lots of ideas on what we could do next. 1:01:53 So let's let's thank you so, so much. 1:01:55 Keep fit kid Kingdom and Raj kid Caden from the UK no less. 1:02:00 I know it's past midnight for you, so I'm going to let you go. 1:02:02 Thank you so so much for for this conversation 1:02:05 and I look forward to our next time. 1:02:07 No worries. 1:02:08 Take care. 1:02:08 Thank you so much. 1:02:09 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 1:02:11 We hope today's episode has enlightened 1:02:13 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 1:02:16 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your well-being. 1:02:21 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 1:02:24 and visit our website w ww di doctor Talksport.com. 1:02:30 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 1:02:35 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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