Full Transcript 0:00 So we either go through it with it being hard and scary or we go though it, being comical and having connection. 0:08 Like real human people to share these experiences with and change our perspective. 0:14 I think it's, I love perspectives that are different than mine. 0:17 Me too. 0:18 It's so important. 0:19 Just be outside the box. 0:20 Yeah. 0:21 be outside the box, because God didn't put us in a box. 0:24 He created each of us individually with our own thoughts, our feelings, Our desires, passions, talents, and we just seem to lose track of those. 0:33 And that's health. 0:35 It is health, yeah. 0:36 If your mind is well, your body is as well. 0:39 Yeah, you can deal with whatever comes at you then. 0:41 Absolutely, absolutely. 0:44 I absolutely believe that and I think we need to pay more attention to how we see the world for sure. 0:49 Welcome to Take Back My Brain with Lori Hammer, where real healing starts in the brain. 0:56 I'm Lori, a functional nutritionist and mom who's walked the path from anxiety and burnout to clarity and calm. 1:04 Each week, we're going to dive into brain-based tools like amino acid therapy, gut health, fasting and faith to help you reclaim your energy, 1:13 emotions and sense of self. 1:21 Well, today we have with me, Trisha Pingle. 1:24 And I'm so excited to have her here with us today because we're going to talk about how to stop modeling burnout and start creating joy, 1:33 which is, I love that. 1:34 We talk this all the time on the Take Back My Brain podcast. 1:38 So, Tricia, welcome to the podcast. 1:39 I'm so excited to be here. 1:41 Thank you. 1:42 Let's talk joy. 1:43 Right? 1:43 I am so exited about joy! 1:45 So you were a runway model and then you became a naturopathic physician. 1:51 Yeah. 1:52 So how did that happen? 1:54 You know, it's such an interesting twisting story. 1:57 But yes, I was born in front of the camera. 1:58 My first job I actually nine months old. 2:01 Oh my. 2:01 My mom was a model, my dad was photographer, so I was cute. 2:07 So they threw me right in front of the camera. 2:09 And throughout my life, I'm was in theater, modeling all the way through high school, all of way into college, and I going to become a veterinarian. 2:19 How I just out of nowhere Switched into medicine, I don't know. 2:24 Maybe it was innately in my brain. 2:25 Mm-hmm. 2:26 Was gonna become a veterinarian. 2:27 My dad had a massive stroke. 2:29 Okay. 2:30 I was 24 years old, applying to vet school. 2:32 And I saw what the medical system was at that time, when I as a caregiver or as family member. 2:41 Sure. 2:42 Some of the holes in it. 2:44 and I thought, you know what? 2:46 I think we can do this better. 2:48 to go into human medicine. 2:50 It was kind of out of nowhere. 2:52 But that's how I ended up becoming a physician. 2:54 And then when I graduated, somehow landed in stress response, not realizing that I was just plain burning myself out. 3:00 Right. 3:01 Do we ever really realize we're burning ourselves out? 3:04 Apparently not. 3:04 Apparently, because I've done that too. 3:06 I mean, I, too, was known as the adrenal doctor and the stress doctor. 3:10 Uh-huh. 3:16 working women right now. 3:17 I mean, I think we take things on unintentionally, maybe to try to quiet the chaos around us. 3:26 So we'd take all these things and then we find ourselves doing so much and burning ourselves out. 3:33 And that's exactly what I did. 3:35 What did that look like for you? 3:38 Didn't want to get up in the morning. 3:41 I didn't wanna be with my young kids. 3:44 And I did not want go to work. 3:46 It was half hearing my patients. 3:51 My hair was falling out. 3:53 In the modeling industry, it was great. 3:56 Because I had lost a bunch of weight, I was on the runway. 3:59 Working all the way through med school. 4:01 Formally retired from modeling a couple years ago. 4:07 I was miserable. 4:09 And I don't know what it was. 4:11 I feel like it just one day, I had lost my mom through cancer, and there's a bunch we can talk about there that just broke my heart. 4:18 and I found myself really wondering, who am I? 4:20 Why am here? 4:21 What's my purpose? 4:23 Have I accomplished anything? 4:25 You know? 4:26 And something just clicked in me. 4:29 What did I used to love to do when I a kid? 4:33 And the answer was dance. 4:34 Okay. 4:35 So I started hip hop dancing. 4:37 And I've seen your videos. 4:38 Oh boy. 4:40 Fantastic. 4:41 And I mean, I say dance saved my life, and I meant it because it brought me back to who I am. 4:49 That identity crisis that so many people go through, just being raised as a people pleaser. 4:54 My entire life I was told who to be. 4:56 Stay on here. 4:57 This is your mom. 4:58 Wear this outfit. 4:59 Sure. 5:00 You know, this is who you are today. 5:02 I think I took that imposter syndrome into medical school. 5:06 Okay. 5:09 I took it into being a wife. 5:11 I take it in to being friend. 5:13 You know, and there had to be that moment where I just went, you know what? 5:18 I'm gonna just be Trisha. 5:19 Yeah. 5:20 And I think that is so hard for us women to do that because we're not sure who that's supposed to. 5:27 There's the word the suppose. 5:29 How are you helping your clients find what they were meant to, what were created to? 5:36 Yeah, have you ever seen that where, let's say you want to buy a car, I think it's called the red car phenomenon, like you buy cars, 5:41 you don't see any red cars. 5:43 But then you by one and then everyone has a red card. 5:46 Yeah. 5:46 Right. 5:46 And that lasts for a while before you kind of forget the idea and they don' see red cards anywhere. 5:52 So our brain sees what we tell it. 5:56 Okay, right. 5:57 Yes, it does. 5:58 So if we're constantly telling it that we are not enough, and we constantly saying we have to be better, we need to change, 6:06 please this person, do this, that is what we will become and what I think we all are trying to avoid. 6:12 Right. 6:12 So one of the things that I do with my clients is I help them see their lives through a different lens. 6:19 That might be through gratitude, that might through be me scanning their brain and seeing what different areas of their brains are slowing or speeding 6:27 up or what they like, talking to people about what there were like as a kid. 6:32 Like what were you like when you were four? 6:33 Oh gosh, I, That's a great question. 6:36 I loved animals. 6:40 Um, it was just fun. 6:41 I just remember life being really fun and do you have animals now? 6:44 Oh, yes. 6:45 Oh yes good Oh Yes, right and we forget about those cute little animals I was the same way I love animals and I have this cute Little dog piggy and i just 6:54 love her more than anything in the world, but I think We spend so much time as practitioners. 7:00 As a naturopathic practitioner, I can't tell you how many tests I've done on people from the neck down. 7:04 I have done toxin testing, hormone testing and nutritional testing. 7:09 Physical testing everything from here down But we don't spend a lot of time, we say mindset is great and we should change our mindset. 7:18 Right. 7:19 But how do we do that? 7:20 We don' t spend time above the net. 7:22 We dont. 7:23 If I could use an example. 7:25 Yes, go ahead. 7:26 So if you're on a roller coaster, I love roller coasters. 7:29 You too. 7:29 I do. 7:30 Love them too! 7:31 But if your on the rollercoaster next to someone and one person is like, yes! 7:35 this is the best I've watched this. 7:36 And the other person's like, oh my gosh, I'm going to die. 7:39 I am never going make it. 7:40 If you think about it, you're both in the exact same environment, the same stress, this same hill, same chair. 7:48 Yes. 7:48 Right? 7:49 Yes So when you have two people in a situation, it can be viewed through two completely different lenses. 7:56 yes And if we change our lens, we changed the outcome, right? 8:00 Right. 8:01 So the roller coaster can become Yes. 8:04 And exciting and not fearful. 8:08 I think about generations a lot, how we pass on these tendencies to generations, perfectionism, people-pleasing, and I look at things like social media 8:20 these days and how our youth are looking at it and using it, whatever, what we're passing on. 8:26 And we have an opportunity to change the lens of how we live our life and what we model and pass that on to the next generation to have health. 8:35 Right. 8:38 And happiness and joy and gratitude towards what versus what we think we don't. 8:47 Right. 8:47 That is so true. 8:49 I was thinking back about when I Was young and I, was bulimic for about 12 years of my life. 8:54 And the first time that ever the thought, I didn't know what bulimeo was, but I watched a Karen Carpenter movie. 9:02 and when you're talking about modeling, you know, what We're putting in front of our our eyes in, front our kids eyes depending on their their age and 9:11 what's going on in their life like even when my daughter was younger there was like cartoon stuff that I wouldn't let her watch like really good stuff 9:19 you know like documentaries because she was so sensitive to those things and so putting things in front of her that would model a better way that wouldn't 9:30 kind of, you know, shape her brain in a way we didn't want it to be shaped, because she would have a lot of fear and those kind things. 9:35 So, there's just so many different things in our lives that can create a different perception that our brain takes on. 9:43 And so, my niece and my sister-in-law were riding in roller coaster and I was sitting behind them, like, three weeks ago. 9:50 My sister in law was like this. 9:52 We got done and she didn' move. 9:56 You know, they were in the same car, same position, saying everything. 9:58 And it was just a totally different outcome for each of them. 10:01 My sister-in-law was like, I'm never doing that again. 10:04 My niece's like, let's do it again. 10:06 And life is like that all the time. 10:08 Hey friend, just a quick break to remind you, if calming your brain is the missing piece in your practice or in you home, 10:14 my Mind Thrive certification course teaches you exactly how to do that with targeted amino acid therapy. 10:21 So it's real science, real results, no band-aids. 10:24 Enrollment is now open. 10:26 Link is in the show notes. 10:28 Back to the Show. 10:29 All the time, and I think we try as parents, at least I did, like you're saying, put them in the right environment, whatever, 10:34 but here's the, if, do we have these things called mirror neurons? 10:39 Yes. 10:39 Right? 10:40 So if you were at a playground and the toddler falls down, what's first thing they do? 10:44 They look at you. 10:46 And they go, am I hurt? 10:47 Right, so we do all these thing, we shield them from things, We give them the organic food. 10:52 We do these all things to teach them. 10:54 But really, they're looking at YOU. 10:57 They're learning from your action. 11:00 Not from what you say, not from you shield them from, right? 11:05 I'll tell you, being in the modeling industry, yeah, I mean, was exposed to, hey, people told me all the time, you need to be skinnier, 11:13 taller, have blonde hair, whatever. 11:15 I think it was that that changed my eating, my disorder that caused disorder eating in me. 11:22 That's what was the low self-worth. 11:26 My mom was also a model, and she was very self-critical of herself. 11:30 And she always looking in the mirror and saying, Uh, you know, I learned from watching her. 11:36 Sure. 11:37 It wasn't the industry. 11:38 We can blame the industries all we want. 11:40 we can Blame social media. 11:41 You can't blame whoever we. 11:43 Right. 11:44 But to be honest, we have to take authority in who we are and what we're, We are personally modeling for our neighbors, our friends, 11:51 Yes. 11:51 our kids, Our colleagues, are patients, right? 11:55 We have To stand up and take ownership of that. 11:57 If we wanna make any change, You know we were all here at this amazing conference because we Want to make an impact. 12:03 in health. 12:04 And we could do all sorts of amazing things and inject with things, and whatnot. 12:08 But really my question would be, what are we modeling about what health is? 12:13 That is so true. 12:14 Yes. 12:16 Because to me, if I'm not waking up with joy in my life, I am not healthy. 12:22 No, and I work with so many fellow practitioners who are burnt out. 12:27 You know, we're balancing their brain with amino acids and all sorts of other things. 12:31 And they never intended to get there. 12:33 But they didn't, my daughter will even say this to What would you tell your clients to do now mom like go take a nap go eat just like and that's probably 12:43 what you should do. 12:43 But you know we as practitioners parents whatever we're such a hamster wheel it feels like so much of the time and i think that awareness and attentionality 12:54 that you're talking about we really have to take step back. 12:58 and say, what am I modeling to myself? 13:03 If I'm teaching my clients this and I am still doing something else, then that's where our business never grows. 13:07 We're incongruent really in every area of our life. 13:12 You do a fun and fascinating scan of the brain. 13:14 I'd love for you to touch on that because you were just telling me before this that It helps people say, I am creative or, 13:21 oh, and this. 13:22 So tell us about that. 13:23 I think in life we forget what we are. 13:25 Yeah. 13:29 It's so cool. 13:30 So we use an EEG machine, we put it on the head, and we do a QEEG. 13:34 We're doing essentially a brain map. 13:36 How it's different is that the research that went into the technology to interpret it is looking at all these different patterns over the course of time. 13:44 Someone who's a very creative brain, for example, have you ever noticed that creatives tend to, a lot of them, become addicted? 13:52 So when their creative itch is not being met, let's say that you have a musician who loves to play his guitar and he's able to wander and do his thing 14:01 and be creative. 14:01 And then all of a sudden they become big and now they have this rigid schedule and they're held by these certain timelines. 14:07 Now he doesn't have the opportunity to explore his brain, his natural brain. 14:11 They tend to turn to substances in order to escape, right? 14:15 So all us have these ingrained patterns in our brain of how we handle stress. 14:20 how we see the world. 14:21 We can see in the brain if you're a people pleaser, we can if your perfect ways. 14:24 Of course. 14:25 we could see if we're impacted by people around you. 14:28 So for example, were working a lot with first responders. 14:31 Do you send a first responder into a traumatic scene? 14:34 Is it somebody that's gonna take it personally and have trauma from it? 14:38 Or is it gonna be someone that can be able to roll it off our back? 14:40 We all know those people. 14:42 Yes. 14:42 so we now see what is your natural brain profile and what environment are you best in? 14:49 So, for example, if you had a husky dog, and you put the huskey dog in the snow, you gave it a sled. 14:53 So happy. 14:54 Happy dog. 14:55 Take the wagging plane with the kids. 14:57 You pick that dog up, You put it in. 14:59 The desert in July. 15:00 Oh, not a happy dog? 15:02 The dog is going to be lethargic, right? 15:05 Not interacting. 15:06 And we're quick to say, well, why is your dog so depressed? 15:09 Like, we put a label on that. 15:11 The dog is depressed. 15:12 Let's give a therapy to the dog because something's wrong with the dogs, right? 15:17 But the Dog wasn't built to be in that environment. 15:20 And if you picked that dog up and put it back in Alaska, within two days, tail wagging, pulling sled, not depressed anymore. 15:26 Right. 15:26 We have this habit of wanting to diagnose and wanting label people and treat it as a problem. 15:32 And my argument is our brain was built to do something and it was build to be in a certain environment and unfortunately our lives, 15:41 our stress, everything we're taking on pulls us out of that environment. 15:46 And then now we are overwhelmed and depressed and anxious and we don't sleep and feel good about ourselves and were told well maybe you should meditate. 15:56 Well how many times a day? 15:57 Is meditation good for your brain or not? 16:00 When I did my scan, it was so interesting, because it had been... 16:03 I've been back at dance 11 years now. 16:05 I just did scan last year. 16:06 And it said, clearly, you need at least four days of intense exercise of creative origin. 16:14 Okay. 16:15 Well, no, I didn't want to dance. 16:17 Yes. 16:18 If I would have known that, I could have intercepted that when I was 25 or 30. If i could've known I needed to make priority for creative space, 16:26 yes, i would've done so. 16:28 There are people who are focused achievers, there's people that are empathetic, There're people, who analyze everything, 16:34 you have people need order. 16:36 So if you know what your brain needs to thrive, Your brain will then dictate to your body what to do. 16:42 Then we don't have that constant, dysregulated cortisol going up and down, wreaking havoc on our hormones, our nutrition, 16:48 or gut health, physical health. 16:50 All these things that we test for from the neck down. 16:53 Right. 16:54 I mean, you could take all the ashwagandha you want, and I love ashwa ganda, but you can take it all you wanted. 16:59 If you still think you're going to die on the roller coaster, it's not going change. 17:04 No, It's Not. 17:05 It is not. 17:06 And I hate to break the bubble of the supplement companies, I don't see why we should be putting a ton of money into a supplement if we can't change the 17:15 lens of which we see our lives. 17:17 Right. 17:18 Start there. 17:18 Yeah, as a man thinks, so is he. 17:21 Yes. 17:22 So this gives people objective data, it gives you people a report, a road map for where to start, because lifestyle recommendations can be so like throw 17:30 spaghetti at the wall. 17:31 And it just doesn't always stick. 17:33 So if somebody doesn't have a brain map, where would you tell them to start? 17:36 I would tell him to go back to, what were you like when you were four? 17:39 And if you don't remember, ask the people around you who knew you before. 17:44 One of the saddest things is when I talk to someone, and I ask them that question, I don't remember who I was or what I like to do. 17:56 And that is a lot of you out there. 17:59 That I say, how do you find joy? 18:02 What do do for yourself? 18:03 Oh, well, I dunno. 18:04 I'll do it later, after Christmas. 18:06 When the kids go graduate. 18:08 when my job is done, when I have a time, enough money. 18:11 You know, we give all these excuses for when we're gonna go back to who we were. 18:16 But I would like encourage the audience to recognize that you were given unique gifts. 18:22 you knew when you were a kid who you are. 18:26 And somebody along the way told you you had to be somebody else. 18:29 Right. 18:31 So go back to who was I? 18:34 What did I love to do? 18:35 The other thing I loved to decorate. 18:37 When I was a child, I used to build Barbie houses out of all my books. 18:40 Yes. 18:41 for hours, and I always had music playing. 18:44 And when I'm stressed, I'll move the couch or I will move a drawer where the forks are. 18:49 It's fun for my family because they come home, they're like, why is the coach? 18:54 But innately, that's just what I do. 18:56 I nest. 18:59 So I would say go back to that, go to how you were. 19:03 If you don't remember, ask someone and then invest that commitment in yourself. 19:10 It was not easy for me to go back to hip-hop dance in a class with a bunch of 14-year-olds. 19:15 I was 39 years old. 19:17 Oh my God. 19:17 A bunch a 14 year-old, I couldn't remember a single eight count. 19:21 And I wanted to quit because it was hard. 19:24 Yeah. 19:24 and I wasn't as good as I used to be. 19:26 Mm-hmm. 19:27 But I didn't quit, because those girls, when I looked in the mirror, they were looking in their mirror saying exactly what I am. 19:33 Right. 19:34 Not good enough, not doing it good, who's looking at me, And I thought, my gosh, I'm just where they are. 19:41 Right? 19:42 So, yeah, why don't I just come and have fun? 19:44 And now I dance seven hours a week. 19:46 I can hold choreo. 19:48 Yes. 19:49 It's so much fun. 19:50 Inspire others to do fun things like that. 19:52 And so many people write me on social media that say, always want to dance. 19:58 Never thought I could. 19:59 See you do it. 20:00 Now I want dance again. 20:01 That warms my heart. 20:02 Yeah, I love your videos where you're dancing, because it just brings me so much joy. 20:06 Thanks. 20:07 Yeah. 20:08 Let's do it. 20:09 I dance in front of my daughter all the time, and she just like rolls her eyes at me. 20:13 But did it make you laugh? 20:15 She's like, yes. 20:16 Yes, it did. 20:18 Sing to them in the morning when they wake up. 20:20 Mom, does this doesn't make you laugh? 20:22 You'd miss it. 20:23 She's like, I don't think so. 20:24 But she would. 20:25 So important. 20:27 It is this life is hard. 20:28 And so we either go through it with it being hard and scary, or we go Through it, being comical and having connection. 20:37 Yeah, like real human people to share these experiences with. 20:42 Yes, and change our perspective. 20:44 I think it's I love perspectives that are different than mine. 20:47 Oh, me too. 20:48 It's so important. 20:50 Just be outside the box. 20:52 Yeah. 20:52 Because God didn't put us in a box, he created each of us individually with our own thoughts, our feelings, desires, passions, 21:00 talents, and we just seemed to lose track of those. 21:04 And that's health. 21:05 It is health, yeah. 21:07 If your mind is well, your body is as well. 21:10 Yeah, and you can deal with whatever comes at you then. 21:12 Absolutely, absolutely. 21:15 I absolutely believe that and I think we need to pay more attention to how we see the world for sure. 21:20 This has been an amazing conversation. 21:22 Thank you so much for being here. 21:26 Yes. 21:27 Thank you so much. 21:28 And thank you all for listening. 21:29 We appreciate you. 21:30 Go spread your joy. 21:31 Do something fun today. 21:33 God bless. 21:33 I'll see you in the next episode. 21:34 Thanks for listing to Take Back My Brain. 21:37 If today's episode helped you connect with hope or direction, I want you to follow the show, leave us a review, and share it with someone who needs it. 21:46 And if you're ready to start your own healing journey, explore our courses and our coaching programs at lorihammer.com backslash store. 21:56 So until next time, remember you cannot medicate away a nutrient deficiency and healing your brain isn't just possible, it's powerful.
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