Full Transcript Introduction and Guest Background 0:00 There's a lot bells on our lives nowadays, but there is always hope. 0:05 We always have to keep hope alive. 0:07 And it's important for parents to know that, yes, starting in infancy is great. 0:12 The sooner the better. But it's never too late. 0:15 I have my seat back now and after three years, 0:19 so if it can happen for me, it can happen for anybody else as well. 0:24 And so always trust the instinct. 0:26 That motherly instinct that tells you something is not right. 0:30 Or they could be more and look for it and trust it 0:35 and do the best you can until you're not there. 0:38 This is Doctor Tosh, real talk from real doctors on only issues that matter to you. 0:44 Most. Hi, everybody. 0:47 I'm Doctor Nancy O'Hara, and I'm really excited to introduce you 0:52 to two of my favorite people. 0:54 And definitely two of my favorite dentists, 0:56 doctor Lynda Dean Drew and Doctor Crystal Dean drew. 1:00 They are pioneering mother daughter duo that really are transforming 1:04 pediatric dentistry with an integrative, airway centric approach. 1:09 With over 35 years of combined experience, 1:11 they specialize in optimizing the growth and development of our children, 1:15 focusing on how craniofacial structure really impacts and systemic help. 1:21 And their expertise includes advanced therapies such as laser assisted 1:25 treatments or a facial Maya functional therapy, growth guidance, 1:30 appliance therapy and all of this supports holistic health and development. 1:34 And they're really passionate about educating families. 1:38 We've lectured together and and also helping professionals 1:42 on the connection between oral health, airway function and overall well-being, 1:47 especially in complex cases like what we see in pens and pandas. 1:51 So thank you both so much for being here. 1:54 Professor. 1:55 Thank you so much for having us. 1:57 You know, and tell. 1:59 You know, our listeners, our viewers who are parents as well as professionals. 2:04 You know how you got here, how you got to to look at this stuff in this way. 2:09 You know, it's a very interesting question 2:12 because I'm a recovering sleep apnea patient myself. 2:16 And as a matter of fact, I was CPAp dependent for over seven years. 2:20 And the way that I got diagnosed was like an internist 2:24 because I couldn't recover from what we thought was bronchitis. 2:27 She took a look at my mouth and said, you must have sleep apnea, I know right? 2:32 I've been a dentist for a long time, 2:34 but something in the mouth after that sleep apnea, I would know and 2:38 I know, right? 2:40 So she sent me for a test and she was right. 2:42 I had my sleep apnea and my symptoms were severe. 2:45 So I really put me on a CPAp. 2:48 And the symptoms, the brain fog, all those things then went away. 2:52 And it was great for seven years. 2:53 Then it stopped working 2:55 and my option was to have my jaws broken so it can make more room for my dog. 3:00 So that will stop falling into my airway space. 3:02 And I like no thank you. 3:04 And I wish since for myself, I get to find out a lot more 3:09 about sleep and breathe and how you how 3:12 well your face grows and how it impacts that. 3:15 And I look at pictures of me at nine months of age, all the signs 3:19 that I had, that's 12 speakers, that twisted neck, open mouth breathing, 3:24 which literally turned into like anxiety and migraines all the time. 3:29 Anyway, long story short. 3:31 So it became clear to me that the signs are there from infancy 3:37 and we see babies as as early as two days old. 3:40 So we have the ability and the privilege of being able to redirect that growth. 3:46 And that's how it was like going back to school. 3:48 And so that's how it started down a lot more or less, the journey 3:53 being more holistic and tackling it from infancy 3:57 and through guidance, as well as the root cause and getting to root cause issues. 4:02 That's right. Yeah, absolutely. 4:04 You know, that's why we have so much in common. 4:06 You know, it's it's really about, you know, because even though, you know,
Airway Health and Early Craniofacial Development 4:11 maybe getting to the sleep apnea was the root 4:14 cause of your fatigue and all of that getting over the bronchitis. 4:18 But even deeper than that, the, the, 4:21 the CPAp was almost a little bit of a of a, you know, 4:25 blame it tainment sort of thing as, as Doctor Baker would say, 4:29 and really looking back at the things much earlier on 4:34 and all the wonderful things you do for our kids. 4:37 Yeah. It's fascinating. 4:39 So how do airway health, craniofacial development, 4:44 oral hygiene, all of that influence 4:47 the inflammation that our children with pans and pandas go through? 4:52 Well, and 4:53 the great question about so many years of knowledge 4:57 trying to put into and the, you know, short answer, however, 5:02 you know, the body has to be able or the mind, the brain has to be 5:06 at a proper relaxed state, right, that autonomic nervous system. 5:10 And so if they're not breathing well, say, because their jaws are small 5:15 and their tongue is not fitting where it needs to fit, 5:18 and their the growth of what they're supposed to, the way 5:21 they're supposed to be growing is not growing in the right direction. 5:24 That increases that set of sympathetic, you know, drive. 5:29 Well, I don't allow for good sleep, doesn't allow for good 5:33 breathing, doesn't allow for good immune system, immune function and healing. 5:37 And so it you know, 5:40 the pieces were never kind of put together 5:43 some time with different providers and things like that. 5:46 But when you start to think about it and you see it in a young child, 5:49 you see it actually happening or they're just not functioning 5:52 well because they're, you know, they have flat affect. 5:55 Their mouth is open all the time. 5:57 They're breathing through their mouth. 5:58 There's a lot of inflammation because they're not using the 6:02 the apparatus that's supposed to filter the nose and, 6:06 you know, filter all the pathogens and warm the air and not make it's 6:10 so difficult for their bodies to breathe. 6:12 Then their bodies are trying to then figure out 6:15 what to fix, what to heal. 6:20 So that's we started to see that connection over and over and over. 6:24 When you just have a small jar. 6:26 No, not enough room for your tongue or your tongue is attached. 6:30 Right. 6:30 You have you have tongue tied or you other tattered or oral tissues 6:35 that starts to affect how everything functions. 6:38 And so it's like a ripple effect throughout the entire body. 6:42 Yeah. Yeah. 6:43 And you can see 6:45 just in the way you're talking about it, how the, the craniofacial development, 6:49 the airway health affects that fight flight or freeze 6:54 that we always talk about that our kids with anxiety or pans pandas 6:59 specifically go through and and how that impacts the the vagus nerve. 7:05 In that that so yeah. 7:07 So even yeah actually I was just going to add that 7:11 it might even just start from birth. Right. 7:13 And so obviously the the environment 7:17 where the baby grows influences how the baby and that comes out 7:21 and also when they birth is our first traumatic experience. 7:25 So coming through the birth canal has its own, 7:29 has its own trauma that is associated with. 7:32 And so and even with C-section, they have to pull the pad out. 7:37 So as a baby is coming through the birth canal, 7:41 all the skull bones, the cranial bones are all in little pieces. 7:45 And so it's much more fashion and look and see. 7:49 And so if they're coming and there was prolonged label 7:52 or there was induced label, they have a lot of compressive 7:55 forces, then I'd actually affect especially the US. 7:59 And the two very important nerves come out from that. 8:02 And that's the hyper vessel nerve which supplies the tongue, 8:06 and the vagus nerve, which is the arrest and digest. 8:09 So if it gets compressed, even at birth, somebody has to know 8:13 that and be able to say, okay, here's what we do. 8:16 Osteopathic. 8:17 We it's again the motion that the body needs 8:20 so that the brain can actually function properly. 8:23 So it starts very early. Right. 8:26 And with yeah, I. 8:27 Remember years ago cranial sacral therapist saying to me, you know, 8:31 in our very developed country, we are one of the few countries 8:35 that doesn't do osteopathic cranial sacral maneuvers after birth. 8:41 And and it's part of why we have so many ear infections, sinus infections. 8:47 And as you're saying, 8:48 you know, all of the airway health and craniofacial development. 8:52 So and, and the, the lack 8:54 of or our feeding practices have changed as well. 8:57 So breastfeeding is not, you know, encouraged and motivated as, as much. 9:03 And it's very important to understand that breastfeeding is not only for nutrition. 9:09 It's actually for the development of the face. 9:11 So as we talk about that birth, right, if you already had a traumatic birth 9:15 and you don't have the ability to you have compression, 9:18 but then you don't have the ability to breastfeed. 9:21 There's certain things that are still continue to stay tight. 9:24 And the development of your face or the tongue that's supposed to be using 9:28 to help build your face doesn't get the exercise or the movement 9:32 in the motion that it's supposed to, which then has downstream effects. 9:36 Right? 9:36 We're supposed to suck, swallow, breathe as soon as we come out. 9:40 That's and that's a neurological stacking that needs to be done 9:44 for other things to to, 9:47 to start manifesting or execute in our brain. 9:50 So it's just it's wow, wow, amazing stuff that happens 9:55 as we're coming out into this world that we're supposed to get, 9:59 that we've kind of just let go is like, oh, it's 10:03 just because everybody's not able to do then it's common, right? 10:06 Yeah, that's normal or yeah, those are normal. 10:09 Right. 10:11 Well so yeah, it's a it's very interesting. 10:16 And and you mentioned that you see babies as, as young as two days old. 10:20 I mean up where I live, you know, people are talking about going to see 10:24 their dentist before two years, let alone, you know, even later than that. 10:29 That's 10:31 and that's. Amazing. 10:32 Much too late. 10:33 Yeah. 10:34 So, so how do you how do you get people to know to come at two days of age or 10:39 or even as infants, you know, are you dependent upon referrals? 10:44 I mean, how how do you help families to see this? 10:47 Yeah. 10:48 For the most part, yes. 10:49 They come to us because they're having latching problems. 10:52 The signs from the past 7 or 8 years we've been educating our parents 10:56 and they go, okay, you having that baby, the next time you have a baby, 10:59 you have pain nursing. 11:01 You need to come see. Yeah. 11:02 So it's it's not supposed to be painful. 11:05 It's supposed to be enjoyable for the mother and the child. 11:08 And so that's how we get a lot of them. 11:11 And some of them come from pediatricians and lactation consultant and do liars 11:16 as well. 11:17 And okay, good thing about it is that in our practice, there's a 11:21 there's a bigger understanding of why a baby may not be matching, 11:26 because it's not always because it's it's not always because of tongue tied. 11:30 It's important to understand the story of that birth 11:34 and also do non-surgical things, 11:38 because we mentioned that nonsurgical laser treatment, that's one of the things 11:41 that we do to loosen up the pressure we work collaboratively with. 11:46 And I'll set up a physician just to make sure those cranial bones 11:50 are having good motion and impingement, 11:53 and the compressive forces are no longer as affected on that. 11:58 And then if the baby still can't latch 12:01 or we see like a structural tie with first, 12:04 still have to have the nervous system ready before being late. 12:09 More trauma on it. 12:10 So sometimes some parents, a lot of places 12:14 they go, they can breastfeed, they just cut the tie up. 12:17 It's never a tie, but it really is what the baby needs. 12:21 You first. 12:22 Gotta understand that the birth process has may have made it difficult 12:27 for this baby to nurse, which is something that should come naturally. 12:31 You know, they get out, then crawl up, smell the blues, they don't go see it, 12:35 and they grab to it and latch onto it, and that's swallow it. 12:39 And then decompress.
Laser Therapies and Minimally Invasive Dentistry 12:41 And so yeah, I've, I've made it so that my baby 12:44 couldn't do what it naturally supposed to do. 12:47 You find that and help them get back on line. 12:51 So yeah. 12:52 Oh that makes so much sense. So much sense. 12:55 But talk a little bit more about all of the laser therapies. 12:58 You know, whether it be baby 12:59 lasers or lasers, you know, laser assisted dental fillings. 13:03 Go go through them a little bit. 13:06 For me or how do we start. 13:08 So it's similar. 13:09 Let's see the non-surgical is somewhat similar. 13:12 The the photo bio modulation concept I call it 13:16 because typically photo via modulation which you're using light energy to cause 13:21 you know, by biological processes or biological effects, 13:25 especially to the mitochondria and all of that. 13:27 But typically PBM doesn't use heat flow, right. 13:32 Like well yeah. 13:33 Like red light therapy, something like that. 13:35 Your, your pitot things like that. 13:38 But what we're using penetrates even deeper. 13:42 It uses heat but it doesn't doesn't destroy the tissues. 13:45 It goes to the 1064 nanometer wavelength. 13:48 And that is able to then now not only got to, 13:52 you know get down into the cells, it gets down into the nervous system. 13:56 You can touch a nerve, it can touch blood vessels. 13:59 It can then open up the muscle, like get deeper into the muscles 14:04 and just release the fashion fiber. 14:06 Because that fascia is what's holding our nerves is what's holding our 14:11 our blood vessels, is what's kinked up and gets tightened. 14:15 And so it's able to melt the hyaluronic acid crystals that have built up. 14:21 So that's been a beautiful thing because then and that. 14:25 Yeah. 14:25 So that allows for glide and motion of the muscles. 14:28 Why why should you melt the hyaluronic acid that's been, 14:31 you know, kind of frozen. Frozen. 14:33 Why do you melt that the allows more mobility in our bodies 14:38 and motion is everything. 14:39 I mean it's it sounds very hippie dippy, 14:42 but motion in our body is everything in our fascia. 14:46 If that's tight, you don't get motion in your blood vessels. 14:49 You don't get motion in your muscles. 14:50 You don't get less motion in your nervous system, which right. 14:54 Very important, especially for these babies like we talked about. 14:57 And so being able to put some light energy in the back of the head and the tongue 15:02 in this oral fascial region, knowing that 15:05 the tongue is connected all the way down to the tip of the toes, the body fascia. 15:09 All right. 15:09 So if you help release that, then you can actually see a structural tie. 15:14 Because a tongue tie is not just for 15:18 complex tissues. 15:19 So you want to actually be able to cut what you're supposed to cut. 15:23 So that and so baby lays gnarly is developed by Doctor Nordstrom 15:27 and Doctor Andy Tan Holder that they developed it 15:31 using all different types of other principles acupuncture as well. 15:35 So there's different techniques 15:36 that are used among along along the head and neck area. 15:40 And so I think you need to know oh yeah you can use it all over the body. 15:43 But for the oral aids baby lace therapy, that's what it is. 15:46 And we're dentists. 15:47 So we're here. 15:48 Yep yep yep I'm here. Yeah. 15:51 You're right for ourselves. 15:53 I use it everywhere. 15:54 The laser everywhere. 15:55 Yeah. 15:57 Now, now how does that reduce inflammation. 15:59 So okay so with the reduction of inflammation in your 16:03 if there's any compression it's also 16:08 increasing my income statement. 16:09 Mitochondria is the mitochondria. 16:10 Yeah. You're if you're you can hit light energy. 16:13 And the so many studies I talk about it that you hear improving 16:17 how a cell works because of the metabolism from the the mitochondria. 16:21 So that's that's doing all types of different types of magic. 16:25 It's also well so yeah go ahead. Yeah. 16:27 Increase blood flow as well. 16:29 Yeah. To the areas. 16:31 Yeah. More able to resist. 16:34 And your body is more able to fight infection and inflammation. 16:38 Yeah. Right. Right. 16:40 And if you're reducing if you're supporting that neural integration 16:44 and also reducing the that that that tension, 16:49 you know, that in of itself can can reduce inflammation. 16:54 Just making things work better. Right. Yeah. 16:57 Just waking things up like that's what we forget sometimes. 17:01 You like we talked about the compression that lasts throughout life. 17:05 It doesn't you know, and it's not that it that the nerve is not working. 17:09 It's just not transmitting as, as as robust and readily like it's supposed to. 17:15 Right, right, right. 17:17 That it's been it's been game changing. 17:19 To be honest, 17:20 I first I mean, for, for someone like me who needs to see I'm a dentist, right. 17:24 So we we need to cut, you know, very structured things 17:28 and we need to see and remove and do all these things. 17:31 This has been such a big, huge change. 17:33 And just allowing light energy what you can't see, which doesn't 17:38 you can't even you feel warmth, but not you can't feel it to do a lot of magic. 17:43 And it's done a lot of magic on ourselves and our patients and things like that. 17:48 So that's been amazing in that bio stimulation world. 17:52 But then on and to to continue, we use lasers 17:55 to cut to help us do surgical cutting, which is what I mean. 18:00 I love the surgery portion. 18:02 So having like a laser that that's able to do it 18:05 without a lot of hemorrhaging with just healing is just amazing. 18:10 I it's very precise. 18:13 But you have to understand laser physics. 18:15 You know, some people just get the laser in this part. 18:18 You know, you can't do that. 18:19 You have to be you have to understand what the tissue interaction, 18:23 things like that. 18:24 But once you do and just being able to use it for different types of, 18:28 you know, it's helping with wards. 18:30 Herpes is helping with, you know, inflammation in the in the mouth. 18:34 It's when we're using it for laser fillings. 18:37 Right. 18:37 You're gonna think less tooth structure like I mean you don't. 18:42 It's directing because of the the wavelength the type of it 18:45 is a different type of wavelength. 18:48 It then directs to bacteria which have more water content. 18:52 Right. 18:53 And so because it's got more water content is going to go right to it versus 18:56 just kind of using 18:58 a rudimentary kind of drill, which I call rudimentary, but it's does 19:02 it's still, you know, standard of care we still have to use sometimes. 19:06 I know I, I've been to the dentist. Right. 19:09 But having 19:10 and understanding on a micro level like what what that's doing to the tooth 19:14 and having it takes off a bit more tooth structure leaves in some stuff 19:18 more than you would want to, versus using a laser energy which can get to 19:24 the awesome places and take out, be very conservative and remove 19:29 and removing two structure and then also leave the tooth like 19:33 without the decay, without the bacteria, because it's zapped it away. 19:37 Yeah. 19:38 So that's that's been that's pretty cool as well. 19:41 And even yeah, 19:42 you root canals and you know that it's a really important technology. 19:46 Install the sweeps technology for this particular laser of 19:50 and another another manufacturer laser. 19:53 But what it does is because it's sending the laser energy 19:56 into the canals and the little mini root canals that you may not be able to see 20:02 or may not be able to even get with the normal instrumentation, 20:06 that leaves the tooth a whole lot healthier. 20:09 And I know a lot of people that go, 20:11 I don't want to root canal like the day we did that. 20:13 Well, we understand that, right? 20:15 And that's because they haven't been able to use the technology that gets 20:19 to the places where you can readily see so that you can remove the bacteria, 20:25 because having your natural tooth is always going to be better 20:28 than having as, say, an implant place the implant now. 20:33 So yeah, this it's a cost benefit. 20:35 That's why we don't jump on to the argument about root canals 20:39 being to her home, because it's not just one canal. 20:43 We were saying there are other random canals in the body. 20:47 And that's why this laser energy is so important. 20:50 Because it uses like this ultrasonic energy to just get to it. 20:54 And then that makes it a better treatment than what was before. 20:59 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 21:00 And you know, in a lot of kids with pans pandas, we talk about things in the mouth, 21:06 particularly dental procedures causing a flare 21:10 that that these kids will get worse after they get fillings placed 21:15 or get apparatus put in or get teeth removed. 21:21 I could imagine that the way you're doing this with laser 21:24 assisted dental fillings, that, that, that flare, 21:28 that, that exacerbation of their anxiety or OCD or whatever 21:33 their symptoms may be, might be less just does that seem true? 21:38 Less vibration? 21:39 It's obviously getting more. 21:42 And to my micro real right. 21:44 Because you're just removing the actual decay without adding more senior layer. 21:50 I don't know what how to say, I don't know. 21:52 That's manipulator of the teeth. 21:53 So yeah. 21:55 So so yeah, less vibration even for extractions. 21:59 After you you take a tooth out, you need you still need to, 22:02 you know, clean the area out and and and make sure. 22:06 And so using that laser energy you know that it's cleaning the area out. 22:11 Right. Right. 22:12 Because you know, our mouth is full of germs. 22:15 It's and you know, the oral hygiene is so important 22:19 to our gut health and to our body health. 22:22 So I can see where the laser, you know, could really help to decrease 22:27 the seeding of those germs to into the rest of the body. 22:31 So absolutely, absolutely. 22:33 And we encourage, the pandas fans, patients 22:37 to practice better nasal hygiene as well. 22:40 And this way they can actually maybe have their lips closed more 22:44 so that their mouth is now open all the time, which again, 22:49 aside from the microbiome, changes the microbiome in the mouth 22:53 and may make them be more prone to cavities as well. 22:57 Yeah. Others drier. 22:59 Yeah. Just reading through your mouth as well. 23:02 Right. 23:02 Can we talk a little bit about the mouth breathing. 23:04 Because I think this abnormal breathing that a lot of our kids do, people don't. 23:10 Moms dads may not think about that. Yeah. 23:13 My my kid sleeps with our mouth open. 23:15 You know, what's the big deal? 23:17 Yeah. 23:17 Can you talk about why that is a big deal? 23:19 What it means all of that. 23:21 Well, and and that's going through 23:24 the mouth is generally just going straight into your lungs. 23:28 It's bypassing the natural filter that goes from the nose and filters 23:33 and humidifiers. 23:34 And at once the air, it prepares the air for the body to use. 23:38 And it also has nitric oxide, which is very important in being able 23:42 to get the blood vessels and get motion and get blood flow easily. 23:48 So when they are breathing through their mouth, they lose all of that. 23:51 So it's almost like you're just getting dirty air straight into the lungs. 23:56 And so your body is struggling, you're having to breathe a lot more 23:59 and the body is struggling. 24:00 The brain is going, this is not a used to. 24:03 So they have to actually work more using the resources from your brain 24:08 trying to breathe versus just trying to grow.
Mouth Breathing, Oral Hygiene, and Growth Guidance 24:11 And so that's what makes it very unpredictable 24:15 for for patients, and especially when they already have 24:18 the pandas patterns that they're struggling with. 24:21 And and so mouth breathing has also been implicated 24:24 in a lot of the tussles mad noise getting lodged. 24:27 And yeah, just because you have those taking out doesn't mean 24:32 that you've taken care of what caused them to get in life in the first place. 24:36 Actually, the research says that about 75% of those who grow back 24:42 and sometimes they were taking out because the kids were having 24:45 maybe sleep apnea symptoms, but 75% of them over the long term. 24:50 So have the symptoms. 24:52 So only 25% of them got better really over the long term. 24:57 Yeah. Yeah. 24:58 It becomes really important 25:00 that they're not breathing through their mouth using a lip seal. 25:04 And it's one of those things that when we see them early, we encourage 25:08 from trying to teach the parents as a growth guide. 25:11 And after we take care of their restricted oral tissues. 25:15 Yeah, they're starting ortho essentially. 25:18 Yeah. Infancy. 25:19 And we're starting to guide the growth. 25:22 Yeah. Early on. 25:23 And that involves lip seal using certain appliances things like that. 25:27 Yeah. 25:28 Because then the nasal breathing helps with the job growth as well. 25:32 Right. 25:32 But if you're not getting that then that is not growing like it should 25:36 at times not function like it should because it's always laying low 25:40 and you have a high vaulted palate when you have a high vaulted pallet 25:43 that takes up the space on the nose, your jaw remains back. 25:47 And so, you know, it weighs much less. 25:49 Yeah. Yes. 25:50 There's just nothing good for open mouth breathing. 25:54 And sometimes parents don't recognize it because they think your mouth 25:57 has to be open to this. 25:59 All this time you know. 26:01 Yeah, it's the leaning is a saying is the. 26:08 Self. 26:08 And it's ever slightly so open and you know, even for for me, 26:13 for the longest time I knew I was doing it at night, 26:16 but I didn't think I was doing it during the day. 26:19 However, I would always say my lipstick doesn't stay on 26:22 and now they say, oh, this is non removing loud pay. 26:25 Whatever it is, I can do it because because it will always be gone. 26:31 So ultimately I found that, you know, during this journey 26:35 when I started learning more, I would one day we just finished, started 26:39 to take a training class and I was walking into the lounge in our office. 26:43 We had a big mirror and I go, oh, my mouth is open and it's not very long. 26:48 I open like this and I couldn't, but I could see that 26:51 it was never really closed. 26:53 So I was constantly licking my lips because it felt dry. 26:58 And that's how I knew, oh, that's a problem. 27:02 That's like, wow. 27:03 Yeah, but but I mean, you were not a young person 27:06 even though you're still very young, 27:08 but you were not a young person when you found all these things out. 27:12 And, and so even though we're talking about things 27:15 that people can impact in their babies and at birth and very early on, 27:20 there are still many things that people can do 27:23 when they realize this for their older children. Yes. 27:26 Absolutely, absolutely. 27:27 And a lot of the patterning of mouth breathing starts when the child gets sick. 27:32 Right. 27:33 And so one thing to understand that mouth readings 27:36 like rescue breathing, we are we can breathe through our mouth. 27:40 That's why it's there as a last that resort or resort or last resort. 27:46 Right. 27:46 And so it's what happens to a child when they're sick. 27:50 When they're sick, they just like, well, I can't breathe through my nose. 27:53 I'm going to. 27:54 And then the pattern continues because it's the easier way to breathe. 27:59 And so one thing parents can do is I during I 28:02 when a child is sick to to really practice nasal hygiene 28:06 is it's clear or nasal rinses even if they're not sick. 28:10 That's the other thing. 28:11 Think of it like a home filter. 28:13 It needs to be cleared out. 28:15 You know this once a week 28:17 and every other day we say, but not, you know, not every day, not every often. 28:21 But if the child is sick, then definitely it need their nose needs to be clear, 28:26 encouraging, having them with their lips close those toddlers, 28:31 you know that when they get sick, then that patterning starts, 28:34 then they start having those high inflammatory foods that then cause more, 28:40 you know, inflammation, more just essentially sticky mucus. 28:43 Seniors in their bodies. 28:46 And then if they've got asthma, that gets exacerbated. 28:49 And so it is it's a it's like an insidious kind of, you know, 28:55 habit that that has its real effects, that it really has its effects. 29:01 And the research is now coming out to show more and more, even though so simple. 29:05 Right. 29:06 And when people like us just it's fine. It's okay. 29:08 It's cute. 29:09 It's like snoring. It's not cute. 29:12 No, no. 29:14 And and you know, are there other things 29:16 that you talk to families about about their oral hygiene. 29:20 You know, what else do you do. You tell them. 29:23 Because I think that has a big impact on all of our children, and especially our 29:27 kids with pans and pandas. 29:29 So the 29:30 most important thing is, well, I always go back to when they were babies 29:35 or because that forms the foundation is encourage chewing. 29:41 By the time the baby is five months 29:43 old, the brain is ready for the chewing reflex and the chewing is going to help 29:48 to bring the bottom jaw forward, which gives you more space to breed. 29:53 It also lets the tongue be able to move up more, 29:56 which helps to widen the jaw and lowering the roof of the mouth, 30:00 which gives you more space for your nose so you can breathe easier that way. 30:05 So will encourage always getting whole foods, chewing 30:08 whole foods, and less of the packaged foods, 30:13 the more inflammatory causing foods as well, 30:17 and also encouraging the child to sit up and sit up straight 30:21 and have their feet be supported because that's part of their posture 30:26 and that's part of the brain, not having to worry. 30:29 Are you going to fall over again? What are you doing? 30:32 And that's part of what helps it in the parasympathetic state 30:35 and having true to their food, at least 15 30:38 to 25 times before they swallow it. 30:42 And, and in terms of making sure they're brushing 30:44 well and flossing their teeth, yeah. 30:48 Plus one plus. 30:50 And they don't have to use a fluoride toothpaste. 30:54 They can use one that has hydroxyapatite to it 30:58 as a matter of fact, I go like, toothpaste is like soap. 31:00 You can wash your clothes. 31:02 It's just easier when you have soap when you're washing it 31:06 so they don't have to use toothpaste is actually the mechanical action 31:10 of the brush that helps you remove the plaque off of the teeth. 31:14 Because some of these kids are very sensitive. 31:17 So we can't have said 31:19 the laurel sulfate on some of the cells that is in toothpaste. 31:23 And sometimes. 31:24 But that's very useful to know that. 31:27 Yeah, you can just use an electric toothbrush in water 31:30 and just get the cleaned and get the teeth clean, and also get like a tongue 31:35 scraper and metal tongue scraper and then scrape their tongues every day. 31:40 That's very helpful. 31:42 We're not big on mouthwash for the kids, 31:46 but if they have to use one, just make sure it doesn't have any alcohol 31:50 and there's some that is made of gold, little silver, 31:54 or what else is there for mouthwash? 31:57 Some use like coconut coconut wash. 31:59 And I'm not big on the mouthwash thing. 32:01 So all right I'm not the best person for that. 32:05 And is it the tongue scraping, the brushing 32:08 and the flossing and then eating whole foods? 32:11 That is very important. 32:12 And nasal hygiene, because that's how your lips together 32:16 and lips together means that you're maintaining better microflora microbiome, 32:21 which is really important for the rest of you know, that's really what 32:25 that essentially is reduced by keeping 32:29 the microbiome balanced, reducing the extra acidity. 32:33 That makes the teeth vulnerable. 32:35 And so what you eat and how often you're 32:39 removing the plaque, that's what's important. 32:42 So yeah, and it's. 32:44 Amazing to me how everything always comes around full circle. 32:47 Because, you know, we talk about the importance of a whole food diet 32:51 and importance of a lot of these things with other professionals. 32:55 And yet, you know, here are the two of you are saying the exact same thing. 33:01 So how does 33:02 collaboration with other health care professionals really 33:06 enhance the outcomes for children with pens and pandas? 33:10 And I think it's everything, right? 33:13 If we're we're forgetting a proper story about the child 33:17 and what they've been through, what they're going through, 33:19 what medications they're taking, it allows us to then tailor 33:25 whatever treatments that we need to, whatever treatments 33:28 we need to do, whatever we need to be able to serve that child. 33:32 And then we get a better and better understanding 33:35 of what they're going through, I think. 33:38 Yeah, I think collaboration. 33:40 So it's just extremely important. And I get. 33:43 But from my perspective, collaborating with people like you, 33:48 you know, so that's not being lost in the shuffle 33:52 because I'm not going to think about absolutely everything. 33:55 And yet when I hear that the child is a mouth breather, I'm like, 33:59 I got to go to Linda and Crystal. 34:01 Right, right. 34:02 And we can quarterback. 34:03 And it's the timing of things. 34:06 So it's not so overwhelming for the parent or the child. 34:10 Like that. 34:10 You got to also remember the whole the child versus the teeth. 34:14 Right. 34:15 And so being able to collaborate with the provider, 34:19 we can start figuring out when they should go either there 34:22 or somewhere else or to us and, and at what point in time. 34:26 And yeah, it just, it just makes makes for a better outcome for a child 34:30 because sometimes you're giving them all the medication that you think they need. 34:35 Meanwhile the mouth is open the whole time they eating well, 34:39 the brain is not even thinking, oh, I gotta make this medicine work. 34:42 And they do it more and more and more. 34:45 Meanwhile, you have to get a basic foundation for them. 34:48 So they've been nervous. 34:50 System will be in a more where they can transition 34:53 from sympathetic to parasympathetic a lot easier. 34:57 And that's the goal. 34:58 So it's of come you need the parents sympathetic 35:01 but you need you don't want to be in it all the time. 35:05 And that's what a lot of these kids are in all the time. 35:08 And that makes healing a lot more difficult. 35:12 Yeah. 35:12 We're not opposed to medications or modern medicine, I think. 35:17 I think modern medicine is collaboration. 35:19 You know, I think modern medicine means using less medication 35:23 and using finding ways for the body to be able to receive whatever medication 35:27 is supposed to at the time that it's supposed to receive it, 35:31 and then work effectively. 35:32 So that's how we look at it. 35:34 So work for us. 35:35 We're trying to create, like I said, that foundation. 35:38 So that a child can be able to receive 35:41 whatever they're meant to receive from their other providers. 35:44 Right, right. 35:46 But if I'm talking to like, Doctor Scott Antoine about the brain danger response, 35:50 or I'm talking to one of the other providers about this 35:54 fight, fight or flight, fight light or freeze. 35:58 You know, if we're not thinking about the nose, as you said, 36:02 and the mouth, we're missing a whole piece of what may be causing 36:07 those very behaviors that very, you know, danger. 36:12 Danger from the brain. 36:14 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 36:17 Yeah. Exactly. 36:18 And that tongue, good tongue function is what helps the brain 36:22 be able to have a better lymphatics, because the brain, the posterior 36:26 portion of the tongue, is really very connected to the ssbs. 36:30 And it's going to be able to synthesis. 36:32 And that's sitting up right on the pituitary gland. 36:35 As a matter of fact, when you don't have good function, 36:38 then the whole mid-face doesn't grow as well. 36:41 And there's a whole list of hormones that don't get to function properly 36:46 because you don't have good mid-face growth 36:49 to be able to affect where the brain is able to have that motion. 36:53 So the pituitary gland can function properly. 36:58 Well. 36:59 And I just want to go back to, to something else for one minute. 37:01 The parents always ask me about, you know, even with laser 37:05 assisted for connectome, you know, repairing 37:08 the the tongue ties in that way are the exercises the, 37:14 the therapies post the procedure important to only. Yes. 37:20 Oh yeah. 37:20 So it's that. 37:22 That that's one that gets me every time. 37:24 So so talk about that. 37:26 Surgery surgery surgery. Right. 37:28 You can cut you can cut muscle. 37:29 You can cut everything.
Collaboration, Functional Therapy, and Hope 37:31 But if you don't rehabilitate something that was already dysfunctional 37:35 to start with, before and after that, you're not going to get the best outcomes. 37:40 That's just that. 37:41 And I think is seen in physical therapy for other types of surgeries. 37:46 That's seen is seen all over the place. 37:47 And I don't and I don't think the the tongue especially should be any different. 37:52 Seeing that it's 16 muscles 11 cranial 7 to 11 37:56 cranial nerves pass through it like that's that's huge. 37:59 Let's say that again. 38:01 They think tongue in the tongue has 16 at like eight pairs of muscles. 38:06 And it's got about seven cranial nerves, cranial nerves 38:11 that pass through it that it affects. 38:13 Right. 38:14 Or that affect it then. 38:16 And it's connected to the tip of the toes the body fascia. 38:19 So something happening in your knee could be affecting your shoulder. 38:23 Could be affecting the diaphragm affected by your tongue. 38:26 So if you don't get proper 38:29 education of that tongue that wasn't functioning, 38:32 that's just looking at you like, yes, I'm tired, but I also need love 38:37 before you cut me. 38:39 You know, if you don't get that, 38:40 then you're not going to have the best outcome no matter what tool you use. 38:44 I think and there's been studies upon studies, 38:47 but just no matter what tool you use, you're not going to get great outcomes. 38:52 I think in fact, I'm an exam. I'm an example. 38:55 I we learn did we learn, you know, the release. 38:59 And I was like, I'm tired, I know I'm tired. 39:00 Please cut me to the like. Are you sure you positive? 39:03 I'm just like, 39:06 yeah. 39:08 And not the greatest idea. Not. 39:10 But it's not that that the surgery went fine. 39:12 I'm fine. However, I know that I didn't. 39:14 And you know, I did buy a functional therapy after Ryan. 39:18 The more I knew, the more I learned. I studied it myself. 39:21 I started doing it after. 39:22 Then I saw that the the results that. 39:26 But I knew at that time period what I got it done. 39:28 I was like, well, we didn't do it. We didn't, 39:32 I didn't get 39:32 much out of this, you know, and it's like surgery. 39:35 So I, I learned my lesson. 39:39 And so I'm a huge, huge proponent of it. 39:42 It just means take your time with it. 39:44 Take your time. 39:44 We use the laser energy. 39:46 Get your body ready for it. 39:47 You have your body has to be ready for surgery in January. 39:50 Yeah. That's yeah. 39:51 So important. 39:52 And yeah so much of what we're talking about 39:55 you know it's it's it's getting our bodies ready. 39:58 It's being in the right space. 40:00 It's taking the right step. 40:02 And it's also collaboration. 40:04 Collaboration within our bodies, collaboration 40:07 of us as health care providers. 40:10 Yeah. 40:11 So for that time again, sometimes you have to see even as an adult, 40:14 you have to see if they have like internet things connected. 40:18 So they have to exercise other things to remove, maybe to help 40:21 with the tension that you are having underneath that tongue 40:25 to really see the restriction versus cutting blindly. 40:29 Yeah. 40:29 So and for the infants, because I think the other, the other controversy 40:34 is that you have to get them now so they can eat and feed. 40:37 It's like no, a child can feed through a straw, 40:40 a child can be through a cup any other way you can feed that you want. 40:44 You rather have the child ready for surgery 40:49 of that magnitude, which is very important when they're infants. 40:52 Then then just rush it. 40:54 You really just have to get all the players involved before absence. 40:59 Makes so much sense. 41:00 And so the baby's first instinct is to go to the breast. 41:04 So once you're able to rehabilitate them. 41:07 So then they are nervous system and has that ability 41:10 to say, hey, go to the breast, then you're much better off. 41:14 Then just quickly going to cut. 41:15 And it's still more confuse and makes it harder for the baby to get 41:19 back on the breast. 41:22 Yeah, makes a lot of sense. 41:23 Yeah, I think there's a gap in the brain for the like. 41:27 Yeah. And the brain does the leg gaps. 41:29 And that's another thing that we also want to address 41:32 is the primitive reflexes that are maintained. 41:36 Because a lot of those kids have been paying the Sanders maybe kids, 41:40 they have a lot of retained primitive reflexes that sometimes then 41:44 that hasn't been identified as work could be impeding their healing as well. 41:50 So not treated per se, but we recognize it 41:54 and we look for people who do treat them and refer them to them. 41:58 Got it. 41:59 And what about some of the more what we would call innovative tools 42:03 like ozone or a facial myo functional therapy growth appliances. 42:09 Talk about those. 42:11 So that ozone therapy is so, so there's so much healing. 42:18 So but I don't even understand it as well as I need to. 42:22 So that's something that an area that we're studying more to know about. 42:26 But we've used it on ourselves and we're going way to. 42:29 How did that just work and what made it work. 42:32 And so I had we haven't understood it as well as we understand lasers yet, 42:36 but that's something that we know that is useful 42:39 and has the use for different things. 42:41 I've been TMB pain for medicine has been used a lot. 42:45 Right. 42:46 So for dentistry now they're starting to use that more that guided biofilm therapy 42:51 and doing the cleanings or having the ozone water is just nicer 42:56 to have it through the office through the the delivery systems. 43:00 And that helps it because now you know that you're doing much better work 43:04 because the water is clear, it's cleaner and it's more healing as well. 43:09 So it's just like souped up oxygenated water. 43:12 Very right. 43:14 I mean, we know about the ones that are 43:17 very active and they're adequate oxygen. 43:19 Yeah. That's right. 43:20 Yeah. 43:20 The chamber the chamber like. That. Hyperbaric. 43:23 Yeah I that yes. 43:25 So we know that oxygen is like its own super power. 43:30 And being able to oxygenate 43:32 water using or oxygenate other things, using ozone gas things like that. 43:37 It finds the back, it finds the bad bacteria 43:41 for your body like it's only what your body needs. 43:44 And so it'll find the things that you're that doesn't work with your body. 43:47 And it eliminates that so far. Yeah. 43:50 So that's what we've seen. 43:51 That's what we've studied we use on ourselves. 43:54 And so we know now for our patients that is going to be amazing. 43:58 As we add in even with the laser, it's just like more adjunctive 44:02 services to then help clear out the 44:06 bacteria that doesn't belong, because it might as bad bacteria, 44:10 but the ones that are causing the disruption in the body. 44:14 Yeah. Right. Right. 44:15 And provide the oxygen to decrease the inflammation. 44:17 Formation if that. Yeah, that. Yeah. 44:20 So that that's been amazing. Yes. 44:23 And then the other some of the other tools they have is still the alpha pliers. 44:27 And so the alpha appliance is a chrono friendly appliance. 44:32 And so some people will want to do what's called rapid paddle expansion. 44:36 Again it's not necessarily what the body needs. 44:40 But again you're trying to get motion. 44:43 And so the alpha appliance helps the body because it's 44:47 such a it's a very tiny appliance which sits right around here. 44:53 But in case the brain feel like the tongue is up 44:57 so that and again, you need that tongue motion. 44:59 So when the body feels like the tongue is up, all this 45:03 cranial bones are able to just have more motion in them. 45:07 And so if they have more motion then it's able to attract the tongue up. 45:12 And so you actually create the room that you need for yourself. 45:16 So it's not necessarily about how wide it is, it's 45:19 how functional it is which is why. 45:23 And before and you know this I did the rapid paddle expanders anyway. 45:26 But that's assuming that everybody's symmetrical and we're not symmetrical 45:31 and we don't all need that with as well. 45:34 And then that's what it is with the diamond shape. 45:39 And so my functional appliance okay. 45:42 As is like training the muscles. 45:44 And you remember when we talked about lips seal is very soft and has 45:48 and maybe you have one in that if very soft I mean almost like silicone 45:52 projections on it that makes it feel really good. 45:56 It's like proprioception for the body. 45:59 And so suction, even babies that feel that it helps them to have a parent 46:04 just put it in and keep their lips together on it, slowly touching the brain, 46:08 making that connection. 46:09 Your lips are supposed to be together, 46:11 and it also helps to regulate your forward as well. 46:15 So the most of what we're doing is trying to get nature 46:19 to just show up, because we all have what we need. 46:22 Inside of us is I'm looking for what obstacles do 46:26 we need to move away so that the body can actually heal? 46:30 Right? 46:31 Because our bodies are such wonderful machines. 46:34 We've just with all of our toxins 46:36 and with all of our processed foods and with all of our stress. 46:41 Yeah, living in this world, we've forgotten to 46:45 to allow our bodies to do the healing, the breathing. 46:50 You know, that they need to do that. 46:53 And even our aligner therapy, it's similar to the Alf. 46:57 It's got some projections on the lingual portion, on the tongue portion. 47:02 So that attracts the tongue to then be super powered, especially in the aligner. 47:07 And then this will be a Maya functional device for them to chew on or bite to, 47:12 then fully help that even help the jaws grow the way they should grow even faster. 47:18 Yeah. 47:18 So when they're done with the recall, like an initial phase 47:22 one where we're getting the the fight or flight, everything just relaxed, right? 47:27 Get them into parasympathetic, 47:28 then you're able to then straighten teeth the way you should versus with force. 47:33 Right. That makes so much sense. 47:34 And and I think you know, it's one of the things that I talk about a lot 47:39 that, you know, I see me, for example, in what I do as our family's GPS, 47:45 you know, 47:45 and but they're still driving the car and in the same way, this is kind of 47:49 similar in saying that, you know, we can't force something on families. 47:54 They can't we can't force something on our children. 47:57 But in the same way, our children's bodies need to be ready 48:01 to accept these things that, that that may well be able to help them. So. 48:06 Fascinating. 48:07 Yeah, yeah, it's it's simple, but also very technique sensitive. 48:11 It's taken us we've like, gone to school 48:16 all over again. 48:17 Yeah. Imagine dental school. 48:18 Medical school then. 48:20 Now another round of that in the past few years. 48:24 And then it's learning. It's continuous learning. 48:26 Continue. That's right. 48:27 So yeah. So we're not a bad thing. 48:29 No no no it's not it. 48:31 It allows us again to meet other professionals 48:33 like you and be able to like, venture out into a different world 48:38 and really help us understand how the body works, which is. 48:41 Yeah. 48:42 And you've helped us, helped me understand. 48:45 So many things that that just weren't intuitive to me 48:49 that that I was never taught. 48:50 And, you know, this 48:51 this podcast is for parents and families, but also for professionals. 48:55 And I hope the professionals that are out there listening will think 48:59 about the interconnection of all of us and all the parts of our body. 49:05 Yeah. 49:06 So how do people find you guys? 49:09 Well, our website is Kids smile.com.com. 49:14 Okay I do the smile.com and we're on Instagram and Facebook and 49:20 and our good old fashioned 07032384100I love it. 49:29 Yeah we're more of that. 49:30 Yeah I hear you on that one. 49:32 I mean I also have this saying why why people like me and 49:37 That's great. 49:38 Say the number one more time just in case people didn't hear it as I was laughing. 49:42 (703) 723-8440. 49:47 Thank you. 49:48 And any last words of wisdom, of hope, of 49:52 of anything we didn't talk about that you'd like to leave everybody with. 49:56 Yeah, there's a lot there's on our lives nowadays. 50:01 But there is always hope. 50:02 We always have to keep hope alive. 50:04 And it's important for parents to know that, yes, starting in infancy is great. 50:09 The sooner the better. But it's never too late. 50:12 I have my seat back now and for after three years, 50:16 so if it can happen for me, it can happen for anybody else as well. 50:21 And so always trust the things that my instinct that tells you 50:26 something is not right. 50:28 Or they could be more and look for it and trust it 50:32 and do the best you can until you know it there. 50:36 Yeah. 50:36 How do you do better go into my end, right? 50:39 Yeah, exactly. 50:41 There's such great words. 50:43 Well, thank you both so much. 50:44 Thank you for all that you do. 50:46 Thanks for sharing your wisdom 50:48 with people today, and I look forward to seeing you both again soon. 50:51 And that was good. 50:52 Thank you so much for having us. 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