Full Transcript Podcast Intro and Guest Introduction 0:00 Yeah. 0:00 Let's just talk about like, I mean, in the comments of this podcast 0:04 or YouTube, if that happened to you, if that happened to you. 0:07 Yes, absolutely. Me? 0:10 It's happened to my daughter. 0:12 Oh my goodness. Yes. 0:13 It's just it's super frustrating, right? 0:16 Yeah. 0:17 It is. It's frustrating for three ways. 0:19 Number one, the person means well right? 0:24 They mean well. 0:24 They're just not educated enough. 0:26 I think at the core they do. 0:28 Step two is now the first thing they learn 0:31 about nutrition, whether it's true or not, they think it's true 0:34 is, well, I need to count points and I this is the appropriate amount of food 0:38 for me in my day to day life. 0:39 Number three, these these poor girls are learning. 0:43 Hey, I'm not valuable. I'm not worthy. 0:45 I'm not confident, I'm not attractive. I'm not. 0:47 Insert whatever word fits with you unless I fit in this small frame. 0:52 Welcome to Doctor Talks, the podcast where every episode leads to a healthier you. 0:58 Join us as we navigate the world of optimal health, 1:00 uncovering groundbreaking strategies to conquer chronic disease. 1:04 In each episode, we'll bring you the latest insights 1:07 from leading health experts, medical innovators, and wellness warriors. 1:11 If you're seeking to transform your health journey, or if you're looking 1:15 for answers to burning questions, you've come to the right place. 1:19 Get ready to unlock the secrets of lifelong health and vitality. 1:23 This is Doctor Talks, 1:25 real talk from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most. 1:31 Hi. Welcome back to the Integrative Podcast with Doctor Jen. 1:35 Today we are going to be talking about 1:36 why diets are not working for your weight loss. 1:40 We have Joe Hoey on the podcast today. 1:44 So most coaches tell women to eat less and move more. 1:48 Joe Hockey 1:48 does the opposite through diet detox, he simplifies nutrition and fitness, 1:52 helping women eat more, exercise less, and focus on what truly matters. 1:56 Breaking free from self-sabotage. 1:59 Shifting their identity and achieving forever weight loss.
Joe's Personal Journey Into Coaching Women 2:02 With a background 2:03 in surgery and years of coaching, Joe has helped over thousands of women 2:07 ditch restrictive diets, rebuild their metabolism, shape their lives. 2:10 His bold, backwards approach provides that lasting change isn't 2:14 found in any other diet. 2:15 It's found in the Total Mindset 2:17 shift, named is one of the top ten menopause influencers of 2024 2:21 and the host of Midlife Makeover Summit, the largest online summit for women. 2:24 40 plus. 2:25 Joe is an influential figure with a track record to back it up. 2:29 Welcome to the podcast, Joe. 2:32 Thank you so much. Happy to be here. 2:34 I do, maybe I sent a typo, but I can't be a liar. 2:37 So I was in the top 100 menopause influencers, not ten. 2:42 I was number 58. 2:43 Just so if anybody goes and looks me up like this guy's a damn liar, 2:47 we ain't getting off on the wrong foot over here. 2:49 Okay, well, I might have just said that because maybe it's going to happen. 2:52 So I might have said ten instead of 100, and it's so cool. 2:56 Yeah, it wasn't a typo on your end, but maybe I'm like forecasting that. 3:00 Right? So that's a good thing. 3:02 I'll take that. We would take that for sure. 3:05 Well okay. 3:05 Tell me about your journey 3:08 into working with women because it's a little bit different. 3:12 Right? 3:12 We're not really used to a younger man working with women 3:16 that are going through hormonal changes. 3:18 So how did that happen? Yeah. 3:20 So kind of a long story. 3:22 Kind of a it's three parts really. 3:24 So when I was 13 years old, growing up at my mom's house, 3:27 she was my strongest, most consistent role model. 3:30 And at that time I was 3:32 I mean, I've always been an only child, but at that time I had two stepbrothers. 3:35 Sometimes they were at my mom's house, other times they were at their mom's 3:38 house, and at the same time, like, I just hit puberty. 3:42 I got super tall, but I didn't really fill out. 3:45 I was like, tall, skinny, awkward. 3:48 And kids started to notice that and kind of take advantage of it 3:51 and started picking on me, to a pretty like, serious point. 3:55 And at the same time, 3:56 I was also starting to hang out with the wrong kids and do the wrong shit. 3:59 And it really wasn't leading me anywhere good in life. 4:02 And my mom saw both of those things. 4:04 She had been going to the gym for years already and she's like, hey, 4:07 I think you're old enough. 4:08 I think you'd like it. 4:09 And she didn't tell me is, I think it might help you. 4:12 But she's like, I'm going to the gym tonight. 4:13 I'd love it if you came with me. 4:15 And I said yes, because in my eyes, in my in my brain, 4:18 like, all the guys there had what I wanted, right? 4:21 They had muscles, they had confidence, they had their chest 4:23 up, their eyes making eye contact with people. 4:26 I was like, yeah, like, sign me up. That's what I want. 4:28 And so I fell in line from day one. 4:30 It redirected me on the path I was going, but it never helped me gain any muscle. 4:35 So from 13 to 18 I really didn't change much. 4:38 But I went to the gym religiously, 4:40 still got picked on, developed a case of pretty serious body 4:44 dysmorphia, and in that that's something that's never going to go away, right? 4:48 We just learn to live with it better. 4:49 And so I graduate high school, I go to college, start pursuing a career 4:53 in the medical field. 4:54 And because of that, I have to take courses in anatomy, 4:58 physiology and nutrition, kinesiology and really just understand 5:02 the human body and how it responds to different types of stimuli. 5:06 And so I become my first guinea pig. 5:09 Like, I started doing everything that I learned 5:11 and knew to be true, to create results in my body. 5:13 But at the same time, 5:14 I'm 18 and I'm a dumb kid, and I start partying and drinking 5:18 and eating pizza after drinking and not sleeping after eating pizza. 5:21 And that's a really bad combination. 5:23 So yes, I'm in the gym. 5:25 I'm certainly at a calorie surplus, so I'm gaining a little bit of muscle, 5:29 but I gain a lot of weight. 5:31 And inside of, there's like a year to a year and a half, I gain like 85 pounds. 5:35 I go from 145ft 11 up to 225. 5:40 And now I have a new problem, because if you look at BMI 5:42 charts, 140 is underway and 225 is obese. 5:46 So I literally went from two skinny to two fat. 5:48 And I still wasn't happy. 5:50 I wasn't happy with how I looked. 5:51 I wasn't happy with how I felt. 5:53 I didn't like anything. 5:54 So I quit the drinking, quit partying, dialed in everything I knew to be true, 5:58 and and I reached a point of basically where I am today, right? 6:02 511, around 190, 195 pounds. 6:06 And pretty lean people noticed, right? 6:08 Because number one, I look better, but they also started 6:11 seeing the version of me that you guys are hearing today, right? 6:15 The one that advocates for himself and speaks up 6:17 and maybe he'll make a smart ass joke here, here and there. 6:21 Okay, you know what? 6:22 I kind of like this, Joe, and I've never seen him. 6:24 I wonder why. 6:25 I wonder where he was. 6:26 I wonder if he can create the same transformation in me. 6:29 And I had enough people ask to where my business brain is. 6:32 It's always been there. 6:34 Just went off. 6:35 I had a light bulb moment and I was like, I'm 6:36 going to run these eight week challenges. 6:37 I'm going to help these guys that were just like me, either 6:40 too far too skinny, learned to love taking their shirt off 6:43 and learn to be confident and show up for themselves. 6:45 And that's transparently what I thought I wanted to do, is how people like me. 6:50 So I start running these online fitness challenges 6:52 advertising locally on on my personal Facebook and Instagram, 6:55 and I get a ton of signups and I never look at the names. 6:59 I'm just like, cool, I got people rolling in, 7:01 I'm going to help them and we're going to create some results. 7:04 So I open up my my laptop. 7:06 On day one, I log into zoom, 7:08 I turn my camera on, everybody else turns their camera 7:10 on when they join the call and looking back at me, nobody looks like me. 7:14 They all look like my mom. 7:16 And I was like, oh my God, like, what did I do to get here? 7:21 But what I realized is 7:23 growing up with my mom is my strongest, most consistent role model. 7:26 The person I spent the most amount of time with, along with our friends, is 7:30 I learned to communicate in a way that that resonates with them. 7:33 And so I naturally drew them in. 7:35 And since that was true, guess what? 7:37 I also resonated with them on the calls. 7:39 And at the end of the first call, we had fun. 7:42 At the end of the first eight weeks, they all got results 7:45 and I was like, wow, I feel really fulfilled. 7:48 Like, this is great. 7:48 I don't care if I thought I wanted to help people like me, I'm doing this. 7:53 And so I just I just ran with it. 7:56 At that time, those challenges were certainly not profitable. 7:59 I was giving out $500 to every winner every eight weeks. 8:02 And in the beginning, I wasn't making enough money to cover that. 8:05 So I'd be losing like 50 to 100 bucks per challenge. 8:08 But it was really fulfilling. 8:11 But fulfilling doesn't keep the electricity on. 8:13 So I had to work my job in surgery and again, like, call it what you want. 8:18 God, the universe, a higher power, fate, something pushed me in this direction 8:22 once again, and so I was on the surgical team. 8:26 My role was to help the doctor with just about anything 8:28 he or she couldn't do with their own two hands.
Why Diets Fail and How to Simplify Nutrition 8:31 And it was myself and seven other ladies on that team, and my higher ups were like, 8:35 hey Joe, I think you're the one that needs to go inside the ob gyn based rooms. 8:41 So again, stuck with the female body. 8:43 Like here I am in OB rooms with doctors that spent their entire adult career 8:48 learning about it. 8:49 And like as we're operating, we're having conversation. 8:52 I'm like, hey, doc, 8:53 what could this lady have done proactively to not be in the O.R. 8:56 today? 8:57 And so they're thinking like, wow, Joe crazy. 9:00 He's really asking good questions in the right. 9:03 But it wasn't for them. 9:04 It was for me in the ladies that I served outside of work. 9:07 And so now, like, I've created this perfect storm, I love it. 9:12 I want to give back to my mom. 9:14 And I'm really freaking smart about it. Right? 9:16 And so now I can help these ladies understand them and I like it. 9:20 And so seven years later, I mean, this is where I'm at today. 9:22 Oh, I love it. And you're right. 9:24 I think we are called to do things that we don't expect to do. 9:29 I mean, that that's where on that too. 9:31 I never thought that I would be out of working full time in the E.R. 9:35 and in integrative medicine. 9:36 So I think it's great that we serve where we are planted and we grow from there. 9:41 So that's amazing. 9:43 And your mom must be very proud. 9:45 Yeah. 9:46 So she works in the same hospital I worked at. 9:48 And, at this point, because she's in the oncology department, 9:51 at this point, she'll come home or come visit every once in a while on the job. 9:56 I had another person come in and say that they worked with you, 9:59 and they're very proud of the young man you are. 10:01 Thanks, mom. That's amazing. 10:03 I mean, that's the best compliment a parent can get, you know, 10:07 as it is a mom of four. 10:09 Now, when another mother comes up to you and says, oh, this behavior was so kind. 10:14 I mean, that's that's what you want. 10:16 So that's amazing. It's that's great. 10:19 And we're very fun. We're fun to work with. Right. 10:22 You got to you got to push us. 10:24 We need to be accountable. 10:25 But we're we're great to work with. 10:27 I look, I'll tell you what. 10:29 Because it's not like I only work with women. 10:31 I mean, 99% of our client roster in my free community is women. 10:35 We got a couple guys in there that realize, like, hey, 10:37 a lot of these things are going to apply to me, too. 10:39 So I'm going to learn from who I can learn from it. 10:41 And I'll tell you what, the guys are the biggest babies ever, right? 10:46 Like, like, 10:47 I think I almost love working with women more for that reason too, 10:51 because it's like, hey, you got to go do this. 10:53 And you guys are tough. 10:53 Like, you've, you've done everything for everyone all the time. 10:56 And so if you get this thing, you're like, all right, I can do it. 10:59 And it's just easy, easier I should say, right. 11:03 Right now one of the things you say is 11:06 there is no right or wrong diet across the board. 11:09 Can you explain that mindset a little bit? 11:12 Absolutely. Yeah. 11:12 So a couple thoughts on this. 11:14 I've met people that have done keto for ten years and they're in great shape. 11:19 And their health markers are good. They look good. 11:21 They feel good. 11:22 So you know what? Keto works for them. 11:25 Personally, I've done keto on my journey of trying to figure out what works for me. 11:29 And I tell you what, it did not work for me, right? 11:32 I did carb cycling. 11:33 That worked for a while, but it was it was too much to pay attention to, 11:37 and so I just wanted something more simple for me. 11:39 I know people that like Chris Powell, my friend Chris Powell does carb cycling 11:44 every day, has for years, teaches 11:45 everybody how to do it, and he's insanely successful. 11:48 I don't think there's a right or wrong diet. 11:50 I think that the right diet is the one that works for you. 11:53 And we got to add this asterisk and keeps you healthy, right? 11:58 Because it's one thing to get to this like insanely good looking body. 12:01 But if you feel like shit and your blood markers are awful, you're like, 12:05 sorry, it's the wrong diet. 12:08 It's dangerous too. 12:09 Yeah, I think there's so much everyone looks for the next 12:12 best thing, the next best diet, and they jump from diet to diet. 12:16 Like you said, keto doesn't work for some people. 12:18 You know, carnivore doesn't work for some people. 12:20 Sometimes they just need it short term. 12:22 But I agree with you. 12:23 And and I think working with patients 12:26 and you working with women and coaching, you know, we see that. 12:30 And you know, 12:31 when you go to the doctor's office they're all prescribing a similar diet. 12:35 And that's not helpful either. 12:37 So how do you work with your clients deciding which diet is right for them? 12:44 I really don't like to assign diets. 12:46 If somebody comes to me and they're like, Joe, I am so set on intermittent fasting, 12:51 I'll level with them and I'll be very transparent 12:53 in the beginning of like, cool, look, 12:55 I don't think it's going to work long term, 12:56 but I'm very open to being proven wrong. 12:58 And hell, I mean, 12:59 if I'm proven wrong and you're successful for life, I'm happy to be wrong. 13:03 So here's the deal. Let's do it. 13:05 I'll give you everything I got and help you succeed through this. 13:08 But if we find out it doesn't work when you open to a new approach, that might. 13:13 Right. 13:14 And so oftentimes nine times out of ten their first approach doesn't work. 13:18 And that's okay. 13:19 And so what I like to do is simplify it. 13:22 Right. 13:22 Because let's be real I would assume most of your listeners are here in the US. 13:27 I know for a fact that this is true in the US 13:29 and probably most other places in first world countries. 13:32 We're way too busy to be overwhelmed and dragged down by too many rules, 13:36 especially when it comes to the food you put in your mouth. 13:39 So I like to simplify things, right? 13:41 Let's look at calories because we understand most of the time 13:44 calories are going to determine 13:46 whether you lose weight, maintain weight, or gain it. 13:49 But that doesn't paint the whole picture because you could be gaining fat. 13:53 That sucks. You could be losing muscle. 13:55 That also sucks, right? 13:57 And so now we're going to look at protein because we understand that 14:00 when you take some protein 14:02 a higher protein intake, rather pair it with a little bit of resistance training. 14:06 You're cueing your body that yes, it needs to lose weight 14:09 in a slight calorie deficit, but 14:12 you can only lose fat at this point. 14:15 We got to keep that muscle. 14:16 And again like that opens up a whole nother conversation of goal 14:20 weight versus ideal body composition and so many more things. 14:23 But another thing I like to get into is the reason 14:26 I don't like diets is because they're not the fix, right? 14:29 Because if you do a diet, all you're learning is a certain way to eat. 14:34 You're not fixing who you are at the core. 14:37 You're not fixing your thoughts, your actions, your behaviors, your identity. 14:41 And so as soon as you stop the diet that may have even made you successful, 14:46 well, guess what? 14:47 The only thing you're left with is who you were at the beginning 14:51 and who you were at the beginning 14:52 had what you had at the beginning, 14:54 which means you're going to go back to that, 14:55 and you're eventually going to get back to what you had. 14:57 So we need to change who the person is at the core, the way they think, act 15:00 and behave in order to, number one, get a result in a in a enjoyable way. 15:05 But number two, keep a result for life. 15:07 Yeah. 15:07 And diets can be really restrictive too. 15:10 And then patients might binge or they might just go back 15:15 but with vengeance and then they're worse off than when they started. 15:19 So it can definitely be very dangerous. 15:22 I've seen like in the functional space, you know, 15:25 they they go to a practitioner patients and they get a food sensitivity test. 15:29 And it's really high for a lot of things just because they have leaky gut. 15:34 So they're reacting to everything. 15:36 And they're put on these crazy, 15:37 crazy restrictive diets of like ten specific ingredients. 15:41 And they're so stressed out that that just makes everything worse. 15:45 So I definitely see that in my world where really restrictive. 15:51 It's not good. 15:52 It's really not good. 15:53 And especially for women, we tend to be more emotional around food, honestly. 15:58 Have you seen that? Sure, absolutely. Yeah. 16:01 And I mean, if we're going to start depriving ourselves of these things, 16:05 I don't know about anyone else, but if you tell me I can't do something 16:08 or I can't have something, I'm going to want it ten times more versus 16:12 the girl we just signed up the other day and she's like, she's like, Joe, 16:15 I just have these massive cravings and they're so bad. 16:18 And I'm so ashamed of them that at this point I'm starting to, like, 16:21 not even want to admit them. 16:22 And she started working with one of our coaches 16:25 and she told our coach that. 16:26 And my coach was like, well, well, what do you want to eat? 16:28 She's like, I just want a donut. 16:30 So when's the last time you have one? 16:31 She's like a month ago. 16:32 She's like, well, do me a favor. 16:34 Get off this call when we're done, go get a damn donut. 16:37 And with the permission, you could literally. 16:39 My coach said you could see this relief in her shoulders just drop like, 16:43 oh, I have permission and I'm not bad if I eat this thing. 16:47 And now guess what? Because she ate it. 16:49 Because she was allowed. 16:50 She probably doesn't need one or want one tomorrow, right? 16:54 It's that shame too. 16:55 There's a lot of shame when it comes to the diet culture and food 17:00 and and that's really hard and really, like we should live without shame. 17:04 Like, as a Christian, we should not have shame. 17:06 But it's a it's attached. 17:08 You know, our society is there's just a lot of heavy shame. 17:12 It's very heavy, and it's self-destructive. 17:15 But I agree with you. 17:16 Like, I think of my kids, if I tell them that they can't do anything, 17:20 they're going to figure out a way to try to do it for Jesus anyway. 17:23 Well, so I'm talking about my three boys. 17:25 My oldest daughter is not so much that way, but but boys. 17:30 Well, anyway, it's it is very interesting. 17:34 You brought up a little bit about body composition. 17:38 So when we talk about weight loss does that 17:41 you know, does that matter compared to fat loss. 17:44 Right. Or how your belt is fixing. 17:47 So can you explain that because some people are so focused on weight. 17:51 Absolutely. Yeah. 17:52 So every once in a while like maybe, maybe every 2 to 3 months, 17:56 I'll host a big webinar and I'll go through a bunch of these things together. 17:59 And what I call it is the 3 a.m.
Body Composition, Mindset, and Diet Culture 18:01 masterclass. 18:01 So mistakes that people make, why metabolism is so important 18:05 and then mindset. 18:06 And so one of the biggest mistakes that I see is 18:09 giving way too much value to the scale. 18:12 And so I'll ask everybody like hey guys, type it in the chat. 18:14 Do you have an A goal body weight that you want to weigh. 18:18 Everybody says yes, whatever that number is. 18:20 They put it in the chat like awesome. 18:22 Close your eyes. Play a game with me. 18:24 Use your imagination when you hear me, snap my fingers. 18:27 Guess what? 18:28 You're at your goal. Body weight. 18:29 Think about that for a second. 18:31 Open your eyes and type in the chat. 18:32 Are you happy? Yes or no? 18:34 And there's some people that get the bigger picture. 18:37 They'll say no, but there's a lot of people that are like, yes, yes, yes, yes. 18:40 And I'll go really? 18:43 Because five minutes before this you just told me you have no energy, 18:46 you don't have any confidence or self-worth, you don't sleep well, 18:51 you can't focus. 18:52 You're never hungry, but you have high cravings. 18:54 None of that's changed. 18:55 The only thing that changed was your gravitational pull to the Earth. 18:59 And oh, by the way, I didn't tell you what kind of weight you lost. 19:02 You just lost all your muscle and you kept all your fat. 19:04 Are you still happy? 19:05 And now they see the bigger picture of like, oh, wow, 19:08 there's way more to this than the number on a scale. 19:10 Yeah, absolutely. 19:12 Especially. 19:13 I mean, I'd love to hear your thoughts on the GLP one Ozempic 19:17 and we'll go the craze. 19:19 I would just like, oh, I see I see you're reacting to it. 19:22 All right. 19:22 You good mixed thoughts right. 19:24 Like this is definitely Pandora's box. 19:27 We have opened it and we will never be able to close it. 19:30 I don't think if I'm proven wrong, I'll be pretty damn happy. 19:32 But I don't think it's going away. 19:34 And so my job now is a coach. 19:36 Basically an educator 19:38 is to say, look, here's what's going to happen when you take it. 19:41 You're going to have no appetite, which means you're going to eat next to nothing. 19:44 When that happens, 19:45 it goes straight back to the weight loss versus fat loss conversation. 19:49 You're going to be in the weight loss side of things, not fat loss, 19:52 which means that you're not going to like how you look and feel when you get there. 19:56 By the way, this is also going to go back to the identity conversation. 20:00 Once you stop it, you're left with who you were 20:03 because you are who you were before. 20:05 You're going to get what you had before. 20:06 You're going to go back to the same way you were. 20:08 But guess what? 20:09 You're not the same person that you were before. 20:11 You're actually physically worse because when you lose weight in the 20:17 in the form of muscle, but you gain it back, you're not gaining that muscle back. 20:21 You're replacing it with body fat. 20:23 So you're the same weight and fatter with less lean muscle tissue. 20:28 Like that's a problem. 20:29 And every time you repeat that cycle, whether it's GLP 20:31 or diet, it's happening again. 20:32 But yeah, I mean, it's really a pretty similar conversation to diets overall, 20:37 especially with my education level on it. 20:38 Like, I'm not the nerd that can dive deep and go down like rabbit holes with this, 20:43 but I just see the bigger picture in it, and I think most people don't. 20:46 Yeah, I and the thing is about like the craze, 20:51 and it being handed over 20:52 to a pharmaceutical company, of course, when we look at medications, 20:56 I mean, we could talk about adipocytes too, you know, 20:59 after this, but with GLP ones, it's it's too hard, too fast. 21:03 I get great results with patients when we go low and slow. 21:06 Plus I'm having them maintain muscle lift, eat protein. 21:09 And I tell them if you're not getting 120g of protein a day 21:13 because you don't feel like eating, we're at too high of a dose 21:16 and we really knock it back. 21:18 So it can't be done correctly. 21:19 But it's not being done correctly. It's on. 21:21 It's at every med spa, it's at every weight loss. 21:25 Gimmicky online stuff. But it's not like you said. 21:28 It's not fixing the mindset. 21:30 It's helping with the food noise. 21:32 But but when you get off of that, that food noise is going to creep back in 21:36 if you don't fix the mindset but add effects, so add effects. 21:39 These patients. 21:40 I come on this, I remember a lot of the nurses when I worked in the E.R. 21:43 would go on add effects. 21:44 It's basically like cocaine, but 21:47 it it's going to have you drop that weight, speed up your metabolism. 21:51 Right. 21:51 When you look at ephedrine. 21:52 Yeah. Yeah. It's similar. Yeah. 21:55 So, so basically it's just it's the same kind of thing. 21:58 Like you're not fixing the root cause, which you say is mindset a lot. 22:04 Yeah, exactly. 22:05 And look like that's not, that's not sexy. 22:09 Like dealing with who you are at the core and as a person is not attractive 22:14 I get it. 22:16 But guess what is attractive? 22:17 Finally having all the things you've ever wanted and keeping them right. 22:20 So do you want long term attractive or short term attractive? 22:23 Yeah, that's a great point that a lot of people don't think about. 22:26 And but it's the hard work, right? 22:28 It's easier to take a shot or take a pill. 22:30 But actually uncovering why you have this mindset around food. 22:35 So what are some of these mindset issues that come with diet? 22:40 So for the women I've worked with right in the demographic there. 22:44 And so it used to be 99% women, 40, 50, 60 plus. 22:50 Recently we've transition to a little younger. 22:52 I can get into why after if you care to know. 22:54 But what I've, what I've heard and noticed over a long enough 22:57 period of time is most women at the age of you name it five, 23:02 seven, 13, 17, something like that, we're told by somebody they looked up to, 23:07 whether it's their mom, their teacher, their gym teacher, 23:10 their coach, their older brother, somebody whose opinion they valued, 23:14 they were told by them like, hey, sweetheart, 23:17 you're getting a little bit big. 23:18 I think that we should start Weight Watchers. 23:20 And so, oh my God, let's. 23:23 Yeah, let's just talk about like, I know in the comments of this podcast 23:28 or YouTube if that happened to you, if that happened to you. 23:31 Yes. Absolutely. Me. 23:34 It's happened to my daughter. 23:36 Oh my goodness. Yes. 23:37 It's just it's super frustrating, right? 23:40 Yeah. 23:40 It is. It's frustrating for three ways. 23:43 Number one, the person means well right. 23:48 They mean well. 23:48 They're just not educated enough. 23:50 I think at the core they do. 23:52 If you want to prove I love you I. 23:54 No, no I agree. 23:56 It's like they can't help it. 23:57 They think it's just not good constructive criticism. No. 24:02 Because also women were so tied to this outward appearance. 24:07 And you know, it's probably 24:08 because we live in a broken world 24:09 and how women are supposed to look in social media and all of that. 24:13 So then we start comparing our body because we're given 24:16 that suggestion, right? Exactly. 24:19 Yeah. 24:21 I think they mean well, but they're, they're freaking awful at meaning. 24:23 Well. 24:24 So step two is now the first thing they learn 24:27 about nutrition, whether it's true or not, they think it's true 24:30 is, well, I need to count points and I this is the appropriate amount of food 24:34 for me in my day to day life. 24:36 And if you guys can see me in video, I have my hands in a very small circle 24:39 and it's so detrimental. 24:41 Number three these these poor girls are learning, hey, I'm not valuable. 24:46 I'm not worthy. 24:47 I'm not confident, I'm not attractive, I'm not insert whatever word 24:50 fits with you unless I fit in this small frame. 24:53 So they can't love themselves unless they're small, which is so bad. 24:57 Right. 24:57 And so I don't even know what started this, 24:59 but now I'm fired up the mindset, you know, like like why. 25:03 So you think that just carries on. 25:06 So that's most women you think. 25:08 Good question. 25:09 Most women I don't know because I get a really specific sample size 25:13 like I get those women. 25:15 So for me to say most women, I honestly can't tell you. 25:18 I can tell you that if anybody resonates like you're my girl, 25:21 like you're the person that we've 25:22 helped thousands of times, and then it snowballs from there, right? 25:26 Like, like you said, there's so much pressure from our side 25:31 to fit these norms, right? 25:33 Women can't lift weights. 25:35 You have to do cardio if you go to the gym. 25:37 Also detrimental because you've started losing muscle naturally at the age of 30. 25:40 So you're just speeding up that process even more. 25:42 I mean, we could probably go on for days with all these things. 25:45 Yeah. 25:46 Yeah, it's it's it's hard out there. 25:48 I think things are kind of changing. 25:50 I think the younger women are starting to realize 25:54 that lifting weights is cool and it is good. 25:58 You said you were attracting younger and younger women. 26:00 Now, why do you think that? 26:03 So it's because I'm trying to. 26:05 It's not like they they naturally started coming to me like I'm trying to. 26:08 And it's because for the past seven years, like, I've seen these women 26:11 that are 40, 50, 60 and older have these struggles. 26:15 And if I can catch them earlier, if I can catch them at 30 26:19 when they've just done maybe their first diet, their second diet, 26:23 their third diet, rather than their seventh, 10th or 20th, 26:28 we're avoiding so much damage 26:29 and we're solving we're being proactive rather than reactive, right. 26:33 Because a lot of times for the women I work with that are 40 plus. 26:37 They've dieted for so long, they've done so much cardio 26:40 and they've experienced at least a decade's worth of natural muscle loss, 26:44 that their metabolism is so slow that we need to rebuild their metabolism 26:48 before we can get to the weight loss phase. 26:50 Whereas if I catch a girl in her 30s, I'm like, 26:52 hey girl, let's get some muscle on there now. 26:54 By the way, we can lose body fat either slowly, simultaneously, 26:58 or first if you want. 27:00 But let's just make sure you have muscle going into your 40s, 5060s, 27:03 because right now you're going to look good in the later 27:07 you're going to look good and still feel good. 27:08 Unlike a lot of the ladies that I've worked with in the past. 27:11 Yeah, no, thank you for that coming from from a doctor that cares 27:15 about women's hormones and their metabolic health and their blood sugar. 27:19 It's so important that you are trying to get them for long term health 27:24 and not just like a short, quick fix, which would be diets 27:28 and these gimmicky plans that we see, you know, anywhere. 27:32 They're out, they're everywhere. 27:33 All the gimmicky weight loss, you know, click and bait 27:36 kind of thing that appeals to that probably childhood trauma. 27:40 I think it does, which is what makes jobs like yours and mine so much harder. 27:44 Right. 27:45 Again, because we're going back to that conversation of like short term 27:48 sexy versus long term, like we're humans. 27:51 And we've been trained, especially in this generation, 27:54 to want quick fixes and like instant dopamine hits. 27:57 And that's so much easier to get. 27:59 Yeah, it really is. 28:01 Now you also say something that the 99% 28:05 are not realistic for 99% of people. 28:08 How does that fit in with what you do? 28:11 Good question. 28:11 I'm wondering where I saw that. 28:13 Do you have is there more reference to that of like 99% of what I think it is? 28:18 99% not realistic for 99% of people, 28:21 probably just with nutrition and diets. 28:24 Yeah. 28:25 So I mean, 28:25 it goes back to the same conversation that we had in the beginning, like, yes, 28:29 I've seen people do keto and be successful,
Metabolism, Muscle, and Sustainable Weight Loss 28:33 but realistically, like I've seen one person do keto 28:36 and be successful for every 99 that have it right 28:41 and so if I go and make a post smashing keto, I'm going to have somebody 28:45 that's like, you're a jerk, you know, work for me. 28:47 I'm like, great, I'm happy for you. 28:50 But there's 100 other people behind you that are saying, yeah, go, Joe. 28:53 Like it didn't work for me. 28:54 And I'm using keto because it comes to mind. 28:57 Don't get mad. 28:58 We can we can put that in with paleo, carnivore, you name it. 29:03 Like, what about me again? 29:05 What about vegan? 29:06 What are your thoughts on vegan? 29:08 I don't like it. 29:09 I don't like it. Again. 29:10 Like what my friend's wife is, is a vegan 29:13 and she was a bikini competitor and she did a kickass job. 29:17 She did a really good job. 29:18 And I've been to barbecues at their house and she's given me pulled pork 29:21 from her crock pot that was actually made of jackfruit. 29:23 And I couldn't tell you can do it, 29:25 but there's 99 other people for you that can't. 29:28 And guess what? 29:29 Like you got to get your protein and I love your rule of 120g of protein. 29:34 And if you have that rule of 120g of protein, you're a little person. 29:38 Maybe you're not that active, which means you have a smaller calorie allowance. 29:43 You're going to have a hell of a time 29:45 getting in the protein you need and staying in that calorie allowance. 29:49 Like good luck. 29:50 Oh yeah. 29:51 Especially with finding high quality vegan protein 29:55 that has enough leucine in it to actually stimulate muscle growth. 29:59 And I think that's a big argument. 30:02 But yeah, and that's the thing your friend's wife like, 30:06 is she really getting adequate muscle stimulation protein. 30:10 And you know, I don't know what she is, but if she, you know, 30:14 enters her 40s in perimenopause, then she might fall off that cliff. 30:18 Right? 30:18 I guess, I guess you and me, if people come to us when they say 30:22 they're like at the end, right? 30:24 They're like, okay, I need I need this help right now. 30:27 I'm willing to pay for it for the expertise and people with experience. 30:32 I'm ready to go. 30:33 And or they're so desperate because they are bouncing around and not getting help. 30:39 But I will say I do have a couple of patients that are vegan. 30:42 They just they want to stay that way. 30:45 They're not ready. 30:45 I talk to them again and again about protein. 30:48 I just don't think they're ever going to get to optimal health. 30:51 Having a vegan diet as as their hormones are shifting. 30:55 I can agree with you. 30:56 My my friend's wife is in her 40s now. 30:58 She she actually does a really good job. 31:00 Like, she's got a good bit of muscle. 31:01 She she's a hard worker. 31:03 I can't take anything or knock anything from her. 31:06 But I also agree with you. 31:08 Like, I'd love it if most people would stop because 31:12 99% of the studies on on meat protein have been pretty biased, to say the least. 31:17 And, and like, it's just not going to help you. 31:21 But at the same time, 31:22 I'm not the guy that's going to sit here and preach to you about what to do. 31:26 I'm just not. 31:27 You guys come to me when you're ready, whoever you guys are, and I'll help. 31:31 But I'm not going to try and sway you and say, hey, you're doing it wrong 31:34 because you're doing it vegan, just not right, right? 31:38 Because that's almost as bad as telling someone that 31:42 they need to lose weight or they're, you know, it's going to hit that same point. 31:45 And that's not that's not going to help them. Yeah. 31:47 So, what about metabolic issues 31:52 that that come with the women you're seeing. 31:55 What are the the top metabolic issues 31:57 that, that you are seeing in these women that are struggling? 32:01 It's just the calorie the calories that they can eat without waking. 32:05 And it comes from, I would say, three different things. 32:09 It comes from cardio over strength training. 32:12 It comes from massive calorie deficits with not enough protein. 32:16 And it comes from sorry, but 32:19 being a female because at the age of 30 32:21 you naturally start losing muscle mass at 40. 32:24 That increases 50 increases again, 60 increases again. 32:28 So it's this negative compound interest of losing muscle. 32:32 And a lot of times I've realized that doesn't hit with people. 32:35 Right. Great. Make the connection. 32:38 And so if we don't have a lot of muscle on our body, 32:41 we're not going to burn nearly as many calories. 32:44 And if you're not burning nearly as many calories, well, guess what? 32:47 When you eat a normal amount of calories, you're going to gain weight. 32:51 And so that's why I'll have so many women come to me in their 40s or 50s. 32:55 And when I start learning about them, like, awesome. 32:57 Well, what happen like when you start gaining weight like Joe? 33:00 I don't get it. It was around. 33:02 There's around like 40 or 40 5 or 50, like I change nothing. 33:05 My job didn't change. 33:06 I'm still playing pickleball with my friends and gardening. 33:10 I'm still eating the same. 33:12 Nothing changed, but but I started gaining weight. 33:15 It's like, well, you nailed it. You absolutely nailed it. 33:18 Nothing did change in what you were doing, but your body lost muscle. 33:21 And so if you're continuing 33:22 to eat the same amount of calories but you lose the ability 33:25 to eat that amount of calories, guess what happens? 33:27 Weight gain. 33:29 So we got to do something about that, right. 33:31 And and it's a hard conversation to have, but it's pretty eye opening 33:34 when somebody grasps it. 33:35 Yeah. 33:36 You can't just sit idly back and and stay stagnant 33:39 and do the same stuff you did in your 20s or 30s when you're aging 33:44 and your hormones are coming down, you got to got ahead of ammunition, 33:49 you got to fight back and you got to be smarter about it. 33:52 It was actually funny. 33:54 Right before this podcast, I took my kids to the ice cream shop, 33:58 and they they get to pick ice cream, 34:01 like once a week or whenever they want if they turn in their homeschool points. 34:05 Anyway, the lady was so sweet at the shop and she's like, 34:08 aren't you going to get anything? 34:09 And I'm like, no, like I'm 43. 34:11 Like, I don't need ice cream. 34:13 Like I'm not going to no, I can't do that to my, you know, my body. 34:18 I mean, I didn't say it like that, but she's so funny. 34:20 She's like, oh, just go ahead and and you know, you deserve it. 34:24 And I'm like, no, like we can say no. 34:27 You know, when we're 40, we don't need to get ice cream with our kids every time. 34:31 You can do it in the right time, you can steal a couple sips of theirs, 34:36 you know, but you do need your own, like, large ice cream. 34:40 No, because our metabolisms different, our hormones are different. 34:45 And maybe instead, go home and make a protein shake 34:48 or bring it with you if you know you're getting ice cream with your kids. 34:51 Sometimes I would do that. 34:53 So we just we had to be smarter and we might say, 34:57 oh, it's not fair or, I don't know, be sad about it. 35:01 Or my neighbor down the street can eat whatever she wants. 35:04 Well, you don't know what she's doing when she's at home by herself. 35:07 And maybe she's lifting. 35:10 But I don't know if you've seen in your clients that once you start 35:13 building that muscle, you can you can play around a little more. 35:19 You can. 35:19 You can indulge a little more. Like, why don't you talk about that? 35:22 Because that's a really positive thing about building muscle. 35:25 Yeah. 35:26 So I mean, it's just the reverse order of what we said, right? 35:28 If you're losing muscle, you can't eat that much. 35:30 If you're gaining muscle and you have a good bit, guess what? 35:33 You got some free time in your life and you can have that ice cream, 35:36 or you can do what you want. 35:38 Now, is there ever a time when you can do whatever you want 24 over seven. 35:42 Now it's just not going to work, right? 35:44 Like you got to be doing the right things 80% of the time. 35:50 And I don't care where you're at in your life. 35:52 Like that is just a rule, a foundational rule that I think people should live by. 35:56 But that other 20%, like, go have the ice cream or go have what you want. 36:01 And by the way, when you have it, don't feel guilty. 36:05 Don't feel ashamed because you know you've done good. 36:07 The other parts of the 36:08 the other parts of your life and you're going to be successful. 36:11 So yeah, that's huge. 36:12 Is is gaining the muscle. 36:14 What I see though is sometimes like, we'll get these ladies that they come 36:18 to me eating 1200 calories a day, 800, a thousand, 1200, you name it. 36:22 And and we'll start bringing them up in calories. 36:25 Right? 36:25 We'll go up to, let's say 16, 17, 1800. 36:29 And as they're eating more, they start to let go of weight,
Working With Joe and Closing Remarks 36:32 which is amazing. And sometimes we'll let them stay there 36:34 and we'll just ride that wave while we can. 36:36 Or sometimes if they want to gain muscle, we'll keep pushing. 36:39 We'll push up to 2000, 20, 400. 36:42 I mean, we have a client right now. 36:44 She's she's a little girl. 36:45 She's eating 18, 28, 2850 calories a day. 36:50 And and. 36:52 God, it's so amazing the amount of food freedom she has. 36:56 Yeah, yeah. 36:57 I mean, since I had my last son, my five year old. 37:01 Now, that is when I was like, I know the science. 37:05 I'm going to just really push it after my pelvic floor and everything healed, 37:09 and I'm really going to push it in the weight room. 37:11 And yeah, I can really eat a lot of calories now, which is nice. 37:16 And you want to support support that muscle. 37:19 So I think it's great 37:21 that you are really supporting women where they need to be supported. 37:25 And I think it's kind of funny coming from from you. 37:29 I just think it's different. 37:31 So I think it's great what you're doing. 37:33 And in the community of women that you have, thank you a ton. 37:37 It's fun from my perspective. That's for sure. Yeah. 37:40 Well, Joe, I would love for you to tell everyone how they can work with you 37:45 where they can find out more information about you and your programs. 37:48 And if you have another one of those, masterclasses coming up. 37:53 Okay. Yeah. 37:54 So if anybody wants to work with me, like, if you resonate 37:57 deeply with what I said, just reach out to me, right. 38:00 I think the best, the best way to to find out is just ask. 38:04 Just ask me. 38:05 We might be full at this point. 38:06 I don't know when this is going to come out, 38:07 but we're near full right 38:09 now, and I won't let 38:10 my coaches take on more clients because that means clients are going to suffer. 38:14 So we're not doing that. 38:15 But if somebody is struggling, the only thing that I want to share today, 38:19 if somebody's struggling, they don't know where to start 38:21 because they've started too many places and none of them worked. 38:24 I'd recommend you start with a quiz. 38:25 And so I set up this free 62nd Fix Your Fat loss quiz, answer 38:30 a couple questions, and you're going to get the solution to where you are. 38:35 So number one, you're going to understand where your body is. 38:37 But more importantly, you're going to understand where your body needs 38:40 to go next in order to achieve the things that we talked about today 38:44 and the ways we talked about, and so it's free. 38:47 Just jump in there, take that. 38:49 And then if anybody just wants to come spend some time with me, 38:52 you can find me on Facebook or Instagram. 38:54 My name is Joe Hoy or Joe Diet Detox. 38:58 And, that's it. 39:00 All right. 39:00 Awesome. 39:00 Joe, thank you so much for 39:02 sharing all your knowledge and your passion with us today. 39:07 Thank you. And this was a blast. Appreciate it. 39:08 That was such an informative podcast with Joe. 39:12 I would love for you guys to share it with friends and family, 39:16 and leave a review and tell me what you like best about the podcast. 39:21 Thank you for tuning in to Doctor Talks. 39:23 We hope today's episode has enlightened 39:25 and inspired you on your path to optimal health. 39:28 Each day is a new opportunity to make choices that empower your well-being. 39:33 For more insights and strategies, subscribe to our podcast 39:36 and visit our website w ww di doctor talks.com. 39:42 Stay connected, stay healthy and join us next time on Doctor Talks. 39:47 Real talks from real doctors on the issues that matter to you most.
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