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Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Dr. Aumatma is a double board-certified Naturopathic Doctor & Endocrinologist, in practice for 15 years. Dr Aumatma supports badass power couples to create the family of their dreams, and also trains doctors who want to specialize in fertility. She is the best-selling author of "Fertility Secrets: What Your Doctor Didn't... Read More
Dr. Sharon Stills, a licensed Naturopathic Medical Doctor with over two decades of dedicated service in transforming women’s health has been a guiding light for perimenopausal and menopausal women, empowering them to reinvent, explore, and rediscover their vitality and zest for life. Her pioneering RED Hot Sexy Meno(pause) Program encapsulates... Read More
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- This video is part of the Beyond “Infertility”: Navigating Your Path to Parenthood Summit
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Dr. Stills, welcome to the Beyond Infertility Summit. I’m so excited to talk to you today. Let’s start with what is all of the different layers or factors that play a role in whether or not conception is going to happen, and whether or not fertility is going to be struggled. What are all the different factors that are going on for them?
Sharon Stills, ND
I think that’s such a great question because I think especially in our society, we tend to focus on the biochemical, physiological, and hormonal components, which is very important. We are physical bodies and we do need all of that in alignment. But from a European bio-regulatory perspective, I’m always looking at the other layers, which to me are equally important. This would be the emotional, mental, spiritual, the trans-generational impact that I think we often like in mind-body medicine. We give lip service to these things, but then we’re like, that’s fine, tell me how much broccoli should I eat and how many vitamins should I take every day? I think that we need to come to this place where they’re all on an equal playing field and they all get the proper attention. Because I’ve seen and I’ve been practicing and I represent a long time, I’m practicing over 22 years now. I’ve seen so many times, especially in someone who’s trying to get pregnant and dealing with infertility, where it is that emotional or spiritual piece, that is really what breaks the case free and allows them to go on and conceive and have a baby.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Very interesting. In terms of emotional or spiritual things, what do you see as common patterns or things that are happening for people?
Sharon Stills, ND
First, I just want to talk about transgenerational, and what’s going on that may not even be ours or is given to us that we don’t even realize. So I think it’s really important just from a bio-energy perspective, to clear the field. I’m a really big fan of Bert Hellinger’s work, which is Family Constellation Therapy from over in Germany. The way I like to describe that is that we are all this giant spider web within our family. Your great-grandmother may have had an issue with having an abortion or a miscarriage or a child or something that put fear into the field. That field is that energetic web that is connected to you so you can be carrying that fear of loss or that fear of getting pregnant, and you might not even realize it.
I always think it’s good to do some sort of work where you’re looking at these transgenerational. I love Family Constellation Therapy. I think it’s a very powerful way to do it. You can do it one-on-one with someone. You can do it in a group setting. If you’re lucky enough to have someone who facilitates it in a group setting near us like you just after this go to Google and be like Family Constellations near me and see who’s doing it. But if you’re lucky enough to have someone who does it in a group setting, I highly recommend that because it’s so powerful to be a part of, because you’re there with strangers and there’s just something about connecting into the morphogenetic field that surrounds us that we’re all bathing in, that people you pick people to stand in for your father, for your grandmother. These are strangers you’ve never met before you watch them energetically before your eyes take on the characteristics like it’s crazy stuff and it works.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I’ve seen an actual and a few of these sessions and just every time blown away. By how much? Just they don’t even know who this person is. They don’t know their name. It’s just like a little sheet of paper in a pocket somewhere and voila, like you all of a sudden have a different person with a completely different energy that’s like embodying in relationship to you, whatever it is that’s manifesting for you in this life. It’s fascinating.
Sharon Stills, ND
It is. It’s proof of this energetic impact that’s happening to us all. I often say that a lot of times the blocks that we are experiencing from achieving what we want in health, in this case, we’re talking about having a baby and they’re often invisible. Their belief patterns we have or their electromagnetic frequency is that they’re things that we can’t see in the invisible often having such a large impact on us. we have to start opening our eyes to, yes, we live in this concrete world. My desk, I’m banging on it. It’s concrete. But there’s also really all this energy that it is and all this space and we can tap into that. I think that one of the first things is just thinking about what you’re carrying around from there, I think the next thing would be to look at your relationship with your mother and your father. One of the things that I practice is called Esogetic medicine and it’s called colorpuncture, and it’s based on Peter Mendel’s work. It’s all over in Germany and you hang around a lot, you find out most of the things I do come from Germany or Switzerland, and what we’re doing there is we’re taking Kirlian photography of fingertips and your toes. In that, we can see a whole story of where your brain is being impacted and where you have trauma. So we can see that a lot of times we are carrying trauma from our childhoods, from our relationship with our parents, or even from our prenatal existence.
So the trauma that we brought with us from the womb or before that. We can see that and this is what I love about it, is that this is reproducible. It sounds weird, but it’s reproducible as well. You can look and see where you have trauma. You can work out the trauma. We use colorpuncture and different treatments to do that and then you retest and see how it’s moving. There are all these different treatments in colorpuncture. One of the ones that I use a lot with women who are working on getting pregnant is prenatal therapy, which takes place with my hand, but it takes place on the foot. You can mark every week of pregnancy along the spine of the foot. There are treatments around the umbilical, the belly button where you can work out your issues with your mother and your father. So a lot of times, from an energetic perspective, we’re afraid because we’ve had a bad experience. We don’t want to be that mother that didn’t mother us properly. It’s a really important fact and in traditional fertility treatments, it’s never spoken about.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
No, of course not. But I see that those patterns and traumas come in a lot with fertility specifically. I’ve seen it a lot with fibroid aids, where women, especially African-American women with fibroids, tend to carry this intergenerational trauma that they may not even like consciously know about. Or there was a woman I remember this is a while ago, she just knew it as fear and she was like, “I have this fear of childbirth.” Everyone has a fear of childbirth. What’s the big deal? But this woman was like on my table shaking because she had access to the past life and she’s Christian. Then she released her trauma and got pregnant. There are so many of these experiences that we want to believe this extra layer exists and it’s exciting for us when we see it. I’m curious how we explain this to people who are like her for example, who are like I don’t believe in this. What is all this?
Sharon Stills, ND
This past life, there’s no proof. I love Brian Weiss’s work. If anyone’s listening and wants to learn a little bit more about past lives, Many Lives, Many Masters is his book. He was a traditional psychiatrist, and he stumbled on past lives and didn’t believe the stories he told. He has a couple of books and they’re just fascinating. To me as a doctor, we have DD Access. That’s a Differential Diagnosis. All these things are important in the DDA. It’s like progesterone deficiency, insulin resistance, past life trauma, issues with your mother, and fear like it’s all important. Our job and our journey are to figure out what are the most important pieces, what are the pieces that are blocking for you that need to be released? It’s not to say it’s different for everyone, but fear of childbirth, fear of being a mother. I’ve had patients who just wanted a baby. They wanted a baby. But when we got down to it, they were petrified. A lot of it is you say, how do we discuss that? It’s like, how do we change our perspective? This is on any healing journey. How do we change the stress and the angst and the? I just got to know. What are my lab results? What’s the vitamin? Because we’re very people who come to see you and me and they’re holistic, so they want the natural vitamin or the herb. But we still come from this society where we’re trained.
It’s what you put in your mouth now we just want to put a vitamin instead of a pharmaceutical, which is a step in the right direction, but it’s not always the complete answer. It’s really about learning to breathe and regulate your nervous system, which is going to be good for pregnancy, childbirth, and motherhood. But to learn to look at it as a journey and get curious and become open to what you can be learning and to be in the present of, this is my present and what are the lessons for me here now and what am I going to learn and take with this? Hopefully, when I do get pregnant and become a mom, I will have a good experience because I want to say how we do anything is how we do everything. Maybe there’s a little maybe how we do most things, but how we go through the experience of when something isn’t working for us is a really good time to learn how we deal with things out of our control and chaos and things not going in the perfect order that we expect. That is parenthood in a nutshell.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
What is something that signs a symptom, a little thing in the back of my mind that’s saying that I need to maybe look at this differently or I need to see if there is any like past trauma that I need to be clearing? Do you feel like there are any indicators or any like symptoms that you hear someone say and you’re like, that’s got to be that trauma that you experience, whatever it is? What are your ancestor’s experiences?
Sharon Stills, ND
One of my experiences is that everyone pretty much has trauma. We see it in the Kirlian and it’s it’s just how much did you have and how much is it affecting you? It’s the same as toxicity. you and I are sitting in a room and someone drops a mercury thermometer and you’re fine and I’m not because you can handle it and you excreted it and I didn’t. It’s the same with trauma. I think the questions to ask yourself, for those of you who are listening would be one, are you like right away, resistant? I don’t even need to listen to this interview. She’s some crazy doctor. That’s not me. I’m going to wait until I get to the diet. If you’re very resistant again, I ask you to breathe and be curious because resistance means there’s something on the other side there for us. That is probably one of the first things.
If you are very organized and anal and anxious and this and need to know and it’s like you’re keeping track of if I had my B vitamins at 9:15, and at 9:20 if I have a weakness when you’re like really into all that and you’re not leaving room for your emotions, for your feelings. I would say that’s probably another opportunity to explore. Then if you just can sit quietly with yourself, often from within your own internal quiet and wisdom, there’ll be a little chatter of, I want to get pregnant, but or but what if or I’m scared? If we just give room for that to be birth, if we give room for our scarier emotions and we don’t like to, we want to push those away. We just want to have the joy and the happiness. But if we can make room and invite them to tea, invite them to the table, and allow them to be birthed, it can energetically open up the space for the baby to be birth.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I love that. Allow the hard emotions to come to the surface and be birthed so that there’s space for the baby to be birthed.
Sharon Stills, ND
There’s a great poem by Rumi, The Guest House. Whenever I teach a meditation class, you can Google it. I’m not going to recite it right now, but it’s about inviting everyone in for tea, not letting anger come, letting fear come, letting jealousy come, letting the ticking clock come Letting all of these things that we don’t want to sit with.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I love that. I love Rumi. He’s one of my favorite awesome in terms of because people are in here. can we get to the physical stuff? we’ve talked about some of the spiritual, emotional, and energetic components, and in summary, I would say the way you approach it is the Kirlian photography which helps to visualize. I’m guessing I’ve never done this on humans. I’ve seen lots of photos of plants and things like that.
Sharon Stills, ND
It gives you an actual roadmap.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I want to do this, if you’re just listening to this at home, a good tool or technique might be to just be with yourself and allow to see you want to get pregnant and what arises is when you say that out loud and then just wait and invite all of these emotions that might be coming up to just come up and see what comes out of it so that those feel like tangible to do. Is there any other to do that for those listening in at home can start to access some of this in their own lives and figure out if is this playing a role in my fertility journey specifically?
Sharon Stills, ND
I think that being open to having professional help, to having a therapist, to not having to it takes a village, really takes a village to raise a baby. It takes a village to raise a human and to be a woman. So whether it’s doing as I talked about Family Constellation or Sandbox Therapy Play or EMDR, which is a popular one, or doing some somatic release work. But if you do say you could sit on your own and say, there is a little fear here or whatever it is, but then knowing it’s okay to ask for professional help, that you don’t need to be expected, especially if you have some real serious trauma, whether it be sexual abuse. There are there are things that are way beyond a 30-minute interview on a summit that you can’t expect to go through on your own, that you need to find the right professional and it might not be the first therapist you go to. It’s okay to keep shopping for the right one who resonates, hears you, and can support you in the way you need to be supportive. I’m a big fan of really finding someone and building a team to help guide you so that you don’t just play on this on your own necessarily, especially if you’re getting into deep, mucky stuff that is traumatic.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
I heard you say for the woman and we’ve mostly fertility we tend to focus on the woman, but I’m curious about energetic blocks in men that also show up as fertility blocks for the couple.
Sharon Stills, ND
That’s a great question and we can’t forget about that one often. But you have to also be looking at your relationship with your partner and is someone you want to co-parent with. You have to be looking at his issues. Is he just the same things I talked about for women? But what is he carrying and is he afraid and is there pressure and do we both want children? It’s a whole exploration of your relationship together. I love that you asked that because we do. I just did it. I’m talking just about the woman. We often forget Dad’s 50% of the equation. He’s just as important. We need him. We need him too. To be looking at that and to be using it as an opportunity to strengthen your relationship and to make sure this is the person that you are prepared to be. Because once you have a baby with someone, even if you separate, you’re connected forever. That’s a bond that doesn’t get broken.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
What you were saying earlier about the fear of motherhood, I feel like I’ve seen that equally in men who are like really afraid of their fatherhood and embracing that change. There was one guy who was so early in my career, and he had a tangible like such palpable fear that the world was going to end. This is a dark world we shouldn’t bring children into the fear that he is going to be the old dad because he was already 50 at that point. There were so many fears and he was manifesting all of those fears into his lower back, which he got therapy three times a week with three different types of practitioners. Until he felt through his blocks and released them, the pain was present and then he released the blocks. The pain went away and two weeks later he got pregnant. They got pregnant. I remember like she walked in and she was like, I don’t know what you did to him, but we’re pregnant.
Sharon Stills, ND
How many times do you see couples who are under so much stress and if they’re doing like IVF and stuff and everything’s failing and then they give up and then they’re pregnant three weeks later or a month later? This is so huge and we’re talking about it from this spiritual emotional lens, but the stress involved when it because I see also for men it’s the stress of, now I got to provide and I was struggling just the two of us and perform and yes, there’s a lot. Then are we both on the same page? Is mom dragging dad along and he’s. Well, let’s wait a few years. Let’s enjoy just being together. She knows now there is there are two people who are involved here for sure, and that often can get overlooked.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Either it’s it could be the combination of those two. It could be one or it could be the other one. It could be interpersonal. There are so many layers of this, which is how we started this conversation, is what are all the layers? I’m glad that you went there with me. I will break down all the different factors that are going on that we don’t get to talk about as much.
Sharon Stills, ND
Any time you were saying that. I’m thinking and it could be the right dose of progesterone or it could be zinc or it could be a lot of things. I hope what everyone takes from this conversation is what we said in the beginning, to bring this piece in as equal importance and not to leave it on the side or as a last resort if we’ve done everything physically. Now we’ll look at that because often it would be the movement. We have to remember, like you were talking about his lower back pain, and from a traditional Chinese medicine perspective, worry and stress dampen the spleen and the stomach. That’s how we transform and digest. We have to digest not only our food but life and ideas and things. The kidneys are related to the family. We have meridians connected to each tooth. We can have so it can it’s to me, it’s always the internal mind, the emotions, and the physical because they are intertwined.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
They’re manifesting in all of the layers. the physical is like the hard layer where we can feel our hormones and our nutrients and how our gut functions and all of those things. But the emotional, mental, spiritual, ethereal, if we want to go that far out, we are all manifesting in all of the different ways. Is there I’m curious if you’ve seen any energetic things that when the energy blocks are released, change or support the balancing of hormones.
Sharon Stills, ND
One of those we didn’t talk about is scars and releasing the energy that’s held in a scar, especially if a woman has had abdominal surgery or any kind of injury to that area. So doing neural therapy, which is injecting the scar with procaine and using different homeopathic remedies, is not only resetting the membrane potential, it’s opening up all the energy meridians that are running through that scar potentially. If it’s going across the abdomen, we’ve got a lot going down the front of the body there. There’s also the emotion that is attached and can be held within the scar.
Often we can see an emotional release when we’re doing an injection and a patient’s on the table and that can be crying or anger or whatever it is that was held up in there. I see this in teeth a lot, too, where there’s root canals or chronic infections or cavitation or whatever and we clear that up and it’s been attached to a meridian and then we see the energy start flowing better and we just see the system rebalancing. I believe that things do start here and it’s we’re physical beings. We don’t know. We need to be banged over the head with a sledgehammer. That’s what makes us so I love that one of my favorite appointments is when a new patient comes in and they’re like, I want to get pregnant in a couple of years and I want to get my body ready and do what I do and detox or just be physically fit. These don’t happen daily. I wish they would.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Some of those people would come to me, his answers are like, I filled everything out. Can you help me now?
Sharon Stills, ND
That’s how everything is not just for fertility, but how I would love humanity to start thinking about our health, that we are engaged in it when we’re feeling good and we’re interested and how we can keep feeling good and how we can age gracefully and how we can get pregnant when the time comes. We are very symptomatically driven. so for anyone listening who can teach a younger generation girl to care for herself, that’s like a gift we’re giving to society and humanity as a whole.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Thank you so much for joining me today. This is such a lovely conversation. I got to dive into my little woo-woo side. I appreciate it. Thank you for joining me and for doing all the amazing work that you’re doing in the world.
Sharon Stills, ND
Thank you. I’m so excited to be a part of this summit. A lot of people are like, why didn’t you talk about hormones? But energy first, hormones second. Thank you for making this an important piece as it is.
Aumatma Simmons, ND, FABNE, MS
Awesome.
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