Full Transcript 0:00 I was in my 50s, I'm CrossFit. 0:01 I always say I went from Crossfit girl to not being able to walk to the mailbox in a very short period of time. 0:07 And I just got back from Paris last week with my daughters and our 13-year-old granddaughter was wonderful. 0:12 Every time I would take steps, every time we were walking a mile, and I don't forget when I couldn't. 0:19 We can't put mom upstairs. 0:20 It's a gift. 0:29 Welcome to the Deeper Healing Podcast. 0:32 I'm your host, Danielle Howley. 0:34 This is for everyone who's been dismissed, misdiagnosed or told to just live with it and refuse to accept that answer. 0:40 You're going to hear amazing patient recovery stories, raw and real in their own words. 0:46 People who found answers after everything had failed them. 0:49 you're gonna hear from medical experts we trust that are pioneering new approaches to healing the body because we deeply know we're designed to heal. 0:57 Let's dig in. 1:04 Hello, everybody. 1:05 I have such an amazing guest today and just someone I love so much. 1:10 This is Cathy. 1:11 Cathy is very unusual local person who actually did the entire Staying Hill program because she was so sick. 1:21 I remember when you and I first started talking, I was like, my God, you actually reminded me so much of Marty when he was at his worst. 1:30 Okay, so Kathy, tell me how long ago this all began. 1:34 So about eight to Nine years ago, I just knew I was off. 1:39 I wasn't feeling well. 1:53 And it's so sad because my children were just starting to get married. 1:57 We were starting they have grandchildren and it was really sad. 2:01 I remember thinking I better enjoy them because I don't think I'm going to be here in my sixties. 2:07 So here I am 64. better than I've ever been, which is amazing, and we'll get to that part of the story. 2:13 That's the great part. 2:14 But I started just feeling off. 2:16 I remember a pivotal point, I was a CrossFit person. 2:20 And I remembered at my job at that time, we had a trainer that would come in two times a week and I'd kill it out there. 2:29 Nobody, the 30-year-olds weren't keeping up with me and i was always proud of how strong and how fit I So you're 50 then? 2:36 Yeah, I'm 50. You're strong, you like cross-fitting and like you are amazing. 2:41 Okay. 2:42 And then I feel a twinge in my hip. 2:44 And that would be the start of thinking a hip problem. 2:47 And so I would eliminate a lot of the exercises that will affect the hip. 2:51 But then I'd start feeling a shin or a knee. 2:55 Over probably three, four years, it got so chronic that I couldn't walk to my mailbox. 3:04 Literally, to walk out my door, walk the mailbox, I had to think twice about it. 3:10 And I was embarrassed, so I hid the truth. 3:13 My husband knew, obviously, he lived with me and he saw the changes. 3:16 But I hide the truths from our grown children because I knew they would worry about me. 3:21 And, I'm gonna get better. 3:23 This is just gonna take time. 3:24 Now, why I thought it was just going to take a little bit more time, it's only getting worse as the years went on. 3:30 It's not an injury because it is moving around, right? 3:32 So, you're thinking, okay, this is more like systemic inflammation or something. 3:39 The doctor tells me it's inflammation, my numbers are off the chart, I better get my diet under control. 3:45 I was a pretty clean eater, not perfect, but definitely pretty cleaned. 3:49 Are you just seeing a GP then? 3:51 I am. 3:52 And I remember my son-in-law saying, at one point I'm diagnosed, pre-diabetic, almost diabetic. 3:58 My son in law was like, she's CrossFit. 4:01 They'd laugh when they came to our house, they'd bring junk food with them because they knew I don't have any. 4:05 And so they're like, if she's diabetic, what hope is there for the rest of us? 4:10 And I remember him saying that and I was like... 4:14 That's true. 4:15 What hope is there for the rest of them? 4:17 If I'm eating clean, working out, doing all the things I am supposed to do and I, and, I I m feeling terrible. 4:25 Another really pivotal point. 4:27 I was in my early sixties and went up to Michigan to help my mom who was 83, 84 at the time. 4:34 And I got to the point where reaching to floor to pick up something when something fell, kind of would look around like, 4:40 Oh, maybe they'll get it sooner than I will. 4:42 You're looking at your 80-year-old mother like, hey mom, can you get it? 4:45 And she would, literally. 4:47 It's funny, but it's not funny. 4:51 But you go on a plane ride home, I'm like something is inherently wrong that I am thinking, mom are you going to pick that up? 5:00 Here, i'm helping her get in the bathroom and she's moving better than me. 5:04 And I had to give up the things I love to do. 5:07 I transitioned into hot yoga and Pilates And then it got to be where I could no longer even do hot yoga. 5:14 And I was up at higher levels of Pilates and I had to go to the entry level. 5:19 I thought, maybe if I go back to entry, I'll work myself back up here. 5:26 Well, you know, I think everyone does this. 5:29 We did this too. 5:30 When Marty was sick, it was like we would just go to the GP and, whatever, just the normal five minutes and there was never getting to what it. 5:38 And then I don't know if you had this experience, but in the beginning, when he first got sick he would have these flares. 5:44 So he would be like really bad, like, really exhausted in bed. 5:49 You'd get the flushing, the joint pain or whatever it was. 5:52 Plantar fasciitis would flare, all the things. 5:54 Then you would almost like relieve for a bit and it would seem like things were coming out of it. 5:59 And then we would start socializing again or doing some things and. 6:03 but then the crash would come again. 6:05 That becomes your normal life, where it's like, oh, we can socialize. 6:09 No, We can't, or, you know, I have to do all the driving or whatever the things are. 6:14 And when you're getting out of the flare, You're kind of like I'm good, everything's good. 6:20 It's gonna get better. 6:22 I am on a path to healing. 6:23 Why you think you are on the path of healing, who knows? 6:25 I don't know. 6:26 But we did that for years. 6:27 For years, and then when two years pass and you almost like you realize it's actually, even though there's hills, the trajectory is down. 6:39 It's getting worse and worse, and there are little winds in the down, but two years go by and you're like, oh, wow, now I can't do this, 6:46 this and this. 6:47 Well, that's what I got. 6:48 That's exactly what got that. 6:50 I had said enough is enough. 6:52 We were on a cruise ship and a crew ship, when you can walk and have mobility issues, is huge. 6:59 Getting to dinner is a huge thing. 7:00 We got off that cruise ship. 7:02 My husband said, now he'll tell me. 7:04 He didn't want to tell in the moment, but he was thinking, I'm scared. 7:08 I don't know what I am going to do. 7:15 And I didn't either, but I was tired of functional medicine. 7:19 Then I went to DOs because I heard- You didn' even tell us that. 7:21 The last thing you said was I with a regular medical doctor. 7:24 So now a lot of time is passing, you're getting worse and worse. 7:27 You're unable to work out. 7:29 Did you start going to functional? 7:32 I started going functional route. 7:34 And they weren't. 7:36 we need to clean up that diet. 7:38 It was terrible. 7:39 You'd walk out so defeated because I knew against a general population what I was eating and doing, I already was in the top 10% of what people do. 7:50 So it felt so discouraging, hence when the son-in-law would say, you know, if mom's that bad, what are we all up against? 7:56 So I knew, and then I started seeing, yeah, functional medicine and even they couldn't, that's how I was referred actually over here. 8:03 I know, a functional doctor referred her in. 8:05 You know what's interesting? 8:06 We did the same thing. 8:08 And Marty, it was the thing except his diet. 8:11 They did a lot of food sensitivity panels, the functional doctors when we were doing them. 8:15 His diet got extremely, his was no sugar, no eggs, I mean, it went on and on. 8:24 No life. 8:25 And he already had no life anyway. 8:27 He was very vigilant about it. 8:30 We used to laugh. 8:30 I'm like, I think you can eat one nut and one berry on Wednesday. 8:33 But I have no idea what to even give you. 8:36 Then when we would go back in for our visit, the doctor would say, we'd be like he's really horrible. 8:43 Like he is being really, really vigilant. 8:47 Well, maybe he got some, you know, gluten in the ketchup. 8:50 Are you looking at your condiments? 8:52 Like I'm not even exaggerating. 8:54 They turned it back on him and I was like, my head was on fire. 8:57 And I like the guy is suffering. 8:59 He's already being so strict with himself and you're blaming a condiment, which isn't even true. 9:05 So anyway, okay. 9:06 Well I would learn. 9:07 You would feel better. 9:08 Definitely eliminate in your diet. 9:10 When you only eat spinach and an almond, You're going to feel bad. 9:14 But you are not living your life. 9:16 These kids are having get together. 9:18 There was no joy. 9:19 Food is a big part of what brings us together, and we can do that healthy, but there was not joy, we couldn't even participate in anything like that, 9:27 let alone go to a restaurant. 9:28 Okay, so functional. 9:29 I'm so glad you're telling this story because so many people are in the same boat that are hearing this. 9:34 that they realize conventional doesn't have it for them, they go to functional. 9:38 Now they've been doing that for a while, myself and Marty included, not working. 9:42 So then did you find a DO? 9:44 Did you think like maybe it's a structural problem? 9:47 Well, I had tried already DO, then I'm in functional, and then They had realized they weren't getting me better. 9:54 And they had asked me to come here for the rejuvenants class to Come to Deeper Healing. 10:00 I was like, okay, I'll try that. 10:01 Have a consult with Dr. 10:03 B and I'm blown away. 10:05 My husband's in there with me. 10:06 Really recommend that you have your loved one or your partner with you. 10:10 Because otherwise, they're going to say, what do you want to do? 10:13 And I knew it was going be costly. 10:15 Now, What's my life worth? 10:17 Do we kill and stay? 10:19 My husband's like, I don't care if we mortgage a house. 10:21 I Don't Care if We live in an apartment. 10:24 Priceless. 10:25 Your life, because he finally, i could see it in him. 10:29 Dr. 10:29 B, or just being part of the team here at Deeper Healing, he felt encouraged. 10:34 He felt like great. 10:35 i don' have the solution, but they do. 10:37 And I'm going to make sure she gets what they're offering. 10:40 So that's where it started. 10:42 I had contacted my work and said, listen, I need a two-week medical leave. 10:48 So first I want to say it's very rare that a local person doesn't stay and heal. 10:54 You have to be pretty sick. 10:56 Mostly those are the people that are traveling and who can't get it. 10:59 Most of the local people just come in here and they do things and their being, you know, proactive, whatever. 11:05 I don't want to give local people the impression that they have to spend $20,000. They don. 11:09 The program that healed Marty, also $20000. And I have say that was eight years ago. 11:14 What I never think about ever is that $2000. We didn't care what we had to do. 11:22 It's like, this is your life. 11:25 Not only that, Marty was probably dying or getting cancer. 11:28 Or we were up for hundreds of thousands of dollars of whatever was coming. 11:32 And what did you even spend prior? 11:34 We wasted over a hundred thousand during that time. 11:36 And I know people know our stories. 11:37 Let's go back to you. 11:38 So Dr. 11:39 B says, Oh, this is a much bigger story basically that you were doing hormones. 11:45 You were. 11:47 The basic functional medicine. 11:49 This is what all the practitioners do is diet hormones, thyroid, trying to get it balanced, but they're missing. 11:58 Why is the hormones off? 11:59 Why has the thyroid not working? 12:01 Looking at the entire picture of Kathy under that diet, emotion, environment, physical elimination, rebuilding, right? 12:08 That's the foundation of what we're doing. 12:10 So he says, you're very sick and you need the intensive to reverse where you are. 12:17 Correct. 12:19 And you're going to need to do it all together. 12:22 You didn't have to because you lived here, you could have just come in, but he was like, You actually need it to pull it altogether. 12:29 They were really kind about that because I was nervous about. 12:33 And they said, okay, you can go every week. 12:36 And my husband's shaken and said like, no, because I was worried about the money. 12:40 I thought we can pay over time. 12:41 Then I said you could put it all on a card and pay overtime, whatever. 12:45 No, it's time, enough was enough. 12:49 But deeper healing was great. 12:50 Danielle, I had that option. 12:52 You wanted to get sick and tired. 12:53 Yes. 12:53 It was time to dive in. 13:01 I want to come back for two weeks. 13:03 Those were the best gift I gave myself. 13:06 I had two months to myself, I would leave between, there's water, it's Charleston.I would sit down by the water with my book during breaks. 13:14 i was journaling because I wanted to journal.i was telling myself positive things like you have hope again. 13:23 And I would look at it like there is hope. 13:26 I want people watching this, Danielle. 13:30 There's not just hope for Kathy, there's hope all of them watching us. 13:36 Right? 13:37 I get really emotional. 13:38 Yeah. 13:38 And so I would sit down there and say, it was a gift to myself. 13:44 No watching kids, no running around with my job, not taking care of husband. 13:48 It was just a. 13:49 Just slow down and invest in my life so that I could get back up and I can get running again. 13:57 Yes. 13:57 My God. 13:58 I want you to remember the one thing I do remember was how sick you were. 14:03 I remember it all the time when I go to do something that I now can do. 14:09 I just got back from Paris last week with my daughters and our 13 year old granddaughter was wonderful. 14:14 Every time I would take steps, every time we were walking a mile, I don't forget when I don't forget that my bedroom was upstairs. 14:24 In the past, they would have been, we can't put mom upstairs, I do forget. 14:27 It's a gift. 14:29 Every time I walk to my mailbox, you know what I will say when walking became hard, there's always another way to have mobility. 14:38 And I got an e-bike, best gift we gave ourselves too. 14:42 My husband and I have ebikes. 14:43 We can take off for 10 miles. 14:44 If I get in trouble, if there is a throttle, then I can get back home. 14:47 but it just kept me moving. 14:49 I could move more than I couldn't doing Pilates or yoga. 14:53 So movement was key. 14:54 And even Dr. 14:55 B said that he's like, okay, movement's key, but we got to kind of rein her in. 14:59 She's a little crazy. 15:01 This is why Danielle and I connect on some level. 15:03 We are a level up. 15:04 Let's go. 15:05 she's whiskey in a teacup that's sitting on Danielle's wall. 15:08 and i'm thinking, I think we're kindred spirits there. 15:11 so Dr B would say, Okay, i do want you moving, But we have to also be respectful. 15:16 but this body is sick and it's healing and we want to be kind to that, through that process. 15:23 Okay, so let's go through the dark period. 15:26 What were all the things going on with you physically and mentally? 15:31 Exhaustion, obviously you said you couldn't walk. 15:33 Yes. 15:34 So then you look forward to bed, but then, you hate bedtime. 15:38 For whatever, laying vertical would cause me so much pain. 15:42 I couldn't fall asleep without CBD gummies. 15:45 If I'm honest, I just needed something to try to relax my body. 15:51 My husband would have to do this general rub of my buddy to help it relax so that I could get into some sort of sleep. 15:59 So I dreaded nighttime. 16:01 I'd wake up in the day. 16:02 Brain fog was huge. 16:04 Irritable bowel, my bowel would be acting up. 16:06 It seemed like no matter what I ate, that wasn't going to be functional. 16:10 The achiness, the achyness everywhere. 16:14 When a doctor told me you have rheumatoid Rheumatoid arthritis. 16:17 Yeah, I was like, sure, that makes sense. 16:19 I just heard everywhere. 16:20 What's the solution? 16:22 Well, here's a bunch of medications. 16:23 It's basically medicate yourself and just limit movement. 16:26 If stuff doesn't feel good. 16:27 And I'm thinking, if I start limited movement, it's stuck in this chair. 16:30 Right, right. 16:31 Like you're already going down. 16:32 That was skiing the black downhill fast. 16:36 Down to the end. 16:37 This is where you were like I am dying. 16:39 Same with Marty. 16:40 Marty was, like.I'm dying and I like yeah, but you are like 46 years old. 16:45 Like, what is going on? 16:46 I was in my 50s, I'm CrossFit. 16:48 I always say I went from Crossfit girl to not being able to walk to the mailbox in a very short period of time. 16:55 That's incredible. 16:56 So she does a stay and heal. 16:57 Obviously, she did the whole medical intensive. 17:00 What I love about the stay-and-heal is it moves the needle quickly. 17:03 For sure. 17:04 Gives you a jump start. 17:04 It's big. 17:05 Even at the end, when people are like, at Okay, I did something big here. 17:13 It's something really happened. 17:14 I do want to say a little caveat though what I learned at deeper healing. 17:26 Because I could see it's not drastic. 17:28 We're used to a medicine, take a pill, we had a headache, it goes away. 17:32 That wasn't how this was going to happen. 17:34 But I had to micro like, well, today I do feel like I walked a little better or I felt like at night I was sleeping a bit better. 17:43 10%, 20% would turn into 40%, 60%. I have to look for those because mentally we build on those as well. 17:52 Correct. 17:53 You have look to help yourself. 17:55 I've had thousands of calls where people have said, are you going to guarantee in two weeks that I'm going fly away like a bird? 18:03 I am like, absolutely not. 18:06 And one thing that I love that Dr. 18:08 B says, it may have taken you 10 years or 40 years to get here. 18:13 It's not like so many of the functional places we went to, they were like, maybe in 18 months, you'll feel a little better. 18:18 And then 18 month would go by, two years will go, by another year would by he's going down, down down 37 to 47 was just straight down. 18:25 The thing about deeper healing is it reverses, it's not years, its not 18 months, not 6 months. 18:32 It is a journey. 18:35 This is the quick turnaround, is that intensive. 18:38 But also, the important thing that all of them need to know, and I have this on my wall, sustained results depend on being a partner. 18:45 You have to be a part in this and be like, okay, when I go home, am I in a mold-free environment? 18:52 Am I drinking tap water? 18:55 Is my food garbage or whatever? 18:56 And those are the things I had to do. 18:58 Those are things that everybody needs to. 19:00 You would be one of the people that's like, I'm already active. 19:03 I am already a cross-fitter. 19:06 So, of course, this is like a mystery, right? 19:09 This is a perfect environmental toxin story. 19:11 But all of us, including myself, I have toxins in my life. 19:16 I like to say I choose my toxins carefully and I'd like it to get a big bang out of them, but it's the 80-20 rule, right? 19:27 It's an 80 20 rule. 19:29 But first you got to clean up. 19:31 When your bucket's so full, there's no room for anything. 19:35 And that's what I think the stay in heel does is it just takes the bucket and goes, dump the Now the bucket's going to start getting stuff back in, 19:43 but you can stay on top of it. 19:45 And that's what the lifestyle changes are. 19:48 Our goal is long-term, sustainable, living your best life. 19:55 So what I loved is you opened this up by saying, I'm 64 years old, and I better than I've been in a long time. 20:01 In 15 years. 20:02 At 50 I did do a Spartan race, so I was proud of that. 20:05 But I started struggling after that race. 20:08 Cause I wanted to do that at 60 and there was no, I wasn't even close to walking up to the race, let alone trying to one. 20:15 So, but like you said, Danielle, learning the processes. 20:19 I was telling Danielle before we got on camera that I had just got back from Paris and Paris, some stresses start entering traveling internationally, 20:28 sleeping in an Airbnb. 20:30 didn't have my air purifier surrounding me and my purists of pure water to drink. 20:35 and you sit next to people at all the bistros and they're smoking. 20:39 So I was dealing with, we don't realize in America how we do deal with second smoke. 20:42 No, everyone's smoking in Europe. 20:44 Everyone here is vaping so you don' see it. 20:47 You're feeling that burden again and now you know, okay. 20:51 I'm going home, I get in my clean environment, all the air filters are turning back on, getting moving, and getting in the sauna. 20:59 My sauna has been a lifesaver. 21:01 I missed it while I was gone. 21:03 And so getting back into my regular routine. 21:07 And it only took me a couple of days. 21:09 I mean, it was a slight flare of feeling a little achy and a bit off, but now you understand it and you don't let it progress. 21:16 You don' t let go where I was before. 21:19 And so I could just get things back under control. 21:22 Pretty simple. 21:22 When you were saying, what changes do you make? 21:25 Those are the changes. 21:26 Do you move however you can move? 21:27 I've been doing dead hangs. 21:29 Look at you. 21:30 Yeah, my goal is two-minute dead hang every day. 21:33 That's amazing. 21:35 Well, it's funny because Marty's the same. 21:36 When I think about my husband, I thing, well, he's a little medically sensitive. 21:40 I mean, obviously a lot of the people we see do deeper healing are medically-sensitive, chemically- sensitive, malt-Sensitive. 21:45 All the things have food sensitivities. 21:48 So how do you live a more normal life? 21:50 Marty is doing same thing. 21:52 If he is like, punky, achy whatever, hops in the sauna, takes his glutathione every day, eats really clean. 22:01 If he's like, Oh, I've been cheating. 22:02 I got to stop. 22:04 You know, you kind of just know what to do and you get back into it. 22:07 And I feel like that's a big part of the educational side of our house which is take the body burden quiz and like it gives you a free assessment of like 22:19 what's your things the emfs the molds the clean eating and you know i say it all the time we've normalized so many things in society that are insane And 22:35 when I go to my local food store, I look in people's carts and I'm like, God, people are still buying that stuff, you know? 22:40 That's heartbreaking. 22:42 And you already can tell they're sick. 22:43 They're not well. 22:44 Yesterday I saw a guy talking about coffee and it's like these are big industrial companies and expensive brand. 22:52 It's not organic. 22:54 they are just, making it look pretty. 22:56 Nice little bow on the coffee. 22:59 But you'd be better off spending your money on a mold free, organic, single origin coffee, grinding it and making it at home. 23:07 What are some of the gems for the people out there? 23:10 I'm going to get emotional just even saying it, but you, whoever it is watching this, you your child, your loved one, You're worth it. 23:20 What's your life worth? 23:21 How could you put a price tag on your live? 23:24 You're worth it. 23:25 You don't have to live this way. 23:27 When I see some of the stories coming out of what Deeper Healing does, I don' get paid to do this. 23:33 I'm here because I believe in the cause of they're doing. 23:37 And if me telling my story to somebody can help them say, I'm worth it too, I am going to refinance my house if that's what I have to do. 23:46 I don't know what you have do, but you're worth because you won't always have make that investment in yourself. 23:54 It's wonderful to be back. 23:57 My husband wanted his spunky gal back and some days I think now he thinks, boy, can we calm down a little? 24:03 I'm joking about that, but that's how much spunk and life to get on the floor. 24:08 I've had my granddaughter all week because she's three. 24:11 and she's really active because her daycare was closed, to be able to do that two years ago, I wasn't doing that. 24:19 I could have maybe kept her, but we would have been watching shows all day and sitting in my living room because I was not going to get her out in the 24:26 world and take her to all the playgrounds. 24:31 So your life is worth it. 24:33 It's not worth saying, I'm 64, or I am already on the tail end. 24:36 No, you're not. 24:37 My best years are ahead of me. 24:38 Do you know I just got a new job and two companies were pursuing me heavily. 24:43 I didn't imagine that in my 50s when I was getting sick, taking medical leave from my job because I can't do it, but I have to say that Deeper Healing 24:54 is here to help you live your best life too. 24:57 They're going to care about you, they're gonna love you. 24:59 If you come in looking for help and you came in wanting to partner with them, you coming in saying, I will do my role, seems pretty basic. 25:07 Come in here looking that. 25:09 That's exactly what you'll get. 25:10 And they're here. 25:12 I'm fortunate that they are in my backyard. 25:14 Our grandson is here and they help him with his mold. 25:17 Can't wait, I am about to set up an appointment with my daughter here who is dealing with a lot of autoimmune issues. 25:23 Learned a little bit about her on the trip and I thought, whoa, she just started to come to accept that these things are normal. 25:30 We need to get you into deeper healing. 25:32 I just believe so much in the program. 25:34 I believe in what they're doing. 25:36 People who think they are charging this money so they can be rich don't really know what's going on here because it's quite the opposite. 26:02 What we are able to do is to create a really safe place with really good education, with amazing medical experts that can work to clean you up, 26:14 find your array of what's holding your body back. 26:17 We are divinely made to heal, if I've learned anything. 26:23 I want to bring back, there are two things that Cathy told me that I did not know. 26:29 And one was that one of her doctors recommended a full hysterectomy. 26:34 I think you should tell that because the problem is when we are going to conventional roads, the tackle box is medications and surgeries. 26:49 And it's so often, and I've experienced this myself as well, It's really hard to know, do I need this? 26:57 Is this going to heal me? 26:59 is this the right next step? 27:01 And people that I've spoken with are often, I'm my own case manager and I have no idea if I am doing the thing right now. 27:11 Well, or Danielle, I would say I was so desperate to feel better that I wasn't stepping back and taking a moment to let that all digest. 27:21 And they're just thinking, yes, i'm willing to do this. 27:24 It happened to me twice actually, the one with the hysterectomy that i was like, there's a better solution to this, and I don't believe that's what I need. 27:33 Trust yourself, trust your gut. 27:34 take a good friend, take your sister, or take her husband to those consoles. 27:39 If it's really something you need, I'm not here to tell you that, and I am not a doctor, but I want to make that very clear. 27:46 I would never give any medical advice. 27:47 But I will say, stepping back now, 20 years later, that was one of the best gifts I gave myself to not let that happen. 27:57 meaning that a hysterectomy was recommended 20 years ago and then you said no because you didn't feel like... 28:05 That wasn't going to solve the bigger issues I had going on. 28:08 The inflammation was starting to build. 28:11 I actually learned that I could have an ablation that solved the issues that i had. 28:17 have an ablation and keep my hysterectomy and my ovaries. 28:20 I knew at all costs that those were important, but that was a decision I made for myself. 28:25 Of course, all of this is your own personal testimony. 28:28 But the last one was, a few months before I came to deeper healing, in January, actually, I came to Deeper Healing in June of 2025. In January I had went 28:38 to see a doctor and that hip that I talked about earlier in working out and stuff that was starting to hurt me, he did an x-ray and he's like, 28:45 you have hip dysplasia, we need to replace this hip. 28:50 And I had scheduled surgery because, like I was saying, I understand you want to just feel better. 28:55 And, okay, if that's going to at least heal this hip, then I'll work on all these other joints later. 29:00 I went home and I hadn't scheduled and didn't think anything about it. 29:06 This was in December. 29:07 Relief is coming in January. 29:08 So I scheduled my work around it and even bought insurance at work based on having a surgery. 29:14 And come January, after the holidays and things calmed down, I was like, you know, now my other hip is hurting. 29:19 And I talked to him, he's like oh, well, we could do that one next. 29:23 But the thing that stuck with me is, won't my shins and my knees hurt? 29:26 And my shoulders hurt. 29:28 What, are we just going to keep replacing all of this stuff? 29:31 This can't be the solution to the problem of my hip. 29:36 I now think back of how achy I Having a hip replaced would have made me immobile. 29:43 I would've been furious, and I couldn't have recovered from it because I wasn't getting to the deeper issues that were going on in my body. 29:50 The hip wasn' going to solve what else I had going. 29:53 Because it was all over inflammation. 29:55 It was everywhere. 29:57 And so they were just taking the worst place and saying, oh, we'll put in a replacement. 30:01 Well, I'm saying if I have hip dysplasia, great, but I lived to 63 with hip displeasure, And I just told you I was so fit. 30:10 How overnight did all of a sudden, oh, that's drastic hip dysplasia. 30:14 We need to replace this hip. 30:16 How was that the solution? 30:18 And I understand surgeons look for solutions and their solution is surgery. 30:23 That's what they can offer. 30:24 They don't know that there's other options to explore. 30:28 Genuinely, I know he was thinking, we want to help you feel better. 30:32 But I had to stop. 30:33 It's my health, it's body. 30:35 I just stop and say, No, this isn't where we're going with that. 30:39 And here it is now a year later and your hip is fine, running around Paris and you're hip was fine. 30:45 Well, I mean, that's like pretty much proof in the pudding that you did not need that dramatic surgery to get better. 30:53 Exactly. 30:54 That's a tough one. 30:56 A lot of stuff happens that can be pretty dramatic and a lot people with a lots of regrets later and that's hard. 31:05 And if that happened to them, I would just say pick up from where you're at. 31:10 It's what I would have done. 31:11 I were just picked up from where I'm at because the goal would be movement again. 31:15 And I am thankful. 31:17 So thankful that I didn't, but I also would say, trust your gut. 31:21 If you're not sold on it a hundred percent and whoever you bring to the appointments, your loved one, you partner, they're sold. 31:29 Just pause for a moment. 31:30 You're already not feeling well and you've gotten used to not feel well for six months, just pause. 31:36 you don't have to jump into anything drastic so quick. 31:39 Yeah, that's a really important point and a hard one to figure out when you're in it. 31:47 Cathy, you are amazing. 31:49 So just to wrap up. 31:51 There's so many things. 31:52 I mean, even just hearing you talk about your, this is a classic deeper healing person. 31:57 Now I'm bringing my grandchild. 31:58 And now I bring my daughter. 32:00 Looking at a lot of the young people, when you said, my, we were on vacation and I was listening to her and like, Oh my God, 32:05 This is much bigger story. 32:08 So often when I just even let's say I met a party, Danielle, what do you do? 32:11 Oh, I work at the doctor's office. 32:13 They help with chronic illness. 32:14 Yeah. 32:14 It might just say something very simple like that. 32:17 People are like, man, I'm exhausted and I am not good. 32:19 Like, they just start telling me and it is a silent epidemic. 32:25 Young people who look perfectly fine on the outside are so unwell and are making it their normal. 32:37 I got to get the coffee, got get my Adderall, gotta take my this or whatever. 32:41 They're just limping through the days. 32:45 And I just want to say you do not have to accept that for your life and don't let two years, five years 10 years get lost. 32:56 Your time on this planet is absolutely priceless and your help is everything. 33:02 And if anybody here at Deeper Healing can help you, we are here to help. 33:07 Whether you become a patient or you just get educated or buy one of our courses or take the toxin quiz, We're here for DIY. 33:15 We just want to make sure as many people as we can live their best life. 33:22 And most importantly, I remember how dire Cathy was when she came here. 33:28 It's astonishing to see you now and being able to travel with your family back to life, back, to living, I'm so glad that your time is over being lost 33:44 and feeling lost. 33:45 And I am so happy you avoided having a hip replacement and a hysterectomy and you're intact and thriving. 33:52 This is a success and your persistence and daily habits are all the reasons why you will continue to live a long healthy life. 34:02 You will be your mom at 83 years old picking up this stuff and running around with your family. 34:08 Thank you for being willing to share your story. 34:11 I know that it's going to help people out there. 34:13 So many of the stay and heal people, they're like, but does it last? 34:19 They always ask that question. 34:20 Does the healing last. 34:22 The healing lasts if you are active. 34:25 That's right. 34:25 If you do the protocols, surely. 34:28 And you know, Paris, let's just be honest, there's pastries everywhere. 34:33 I never eat a pastry. 34:34 Part of my not feeling well was detoxing from- From a trip. 34:38 Yeah, from the pastries and the wine. 34:40 And you know, you can indulge, that was a once in a lifetime. 34:44 I can come back and get things. 34:47 That's how Marty and I live too. 34:48 We live hard. 34:49 When you lose 10 years and you think you're dying, like Cathy had said to me, I thought I was dying and didn't see the point in living. 34:56 A lot of people that I talked to feel the same way. 35:00 When you lose so much time and then you get it back, you're like, I am going to Paris with my daughters and I'm going into that concert and you can get 35:12 back to life. 35:13 And that's success. 35:15 Success is getting back into life and living your best life, so I think it's a perfect way to close. 35:22 I do. 35:22 I just do want to close with saying thank you, Danielle. 35:25 Thank you for making this your life journey. 35:28 It's her heart. 35:29 If you all ever think it's anything different, it is she got her husband back and she wants that for you. 35:34 And she wanted that from me and I'm so thankful for her, her passion. 35:39 She works endlessly here. 35:45 Because she just works so hard for you, but I know she'll never stop because her life is making sure you have what access to. 35:51 I made a deal with God and this was way before deeper healing. 35:57 God, if you help me figure this out, I promise I'll help other people. 36:01 That was my simple little promise. 36:04 I never thought I would have a medical thing or have podcast or a documentary. 36:10 Be careful. 36:11 When you go on a God journey, you might just be a mustard seed. 36:14 And I feel like I definitely am. 36:17 I don't know where this journey is going to go, but I'm riding the ride and I am going help as many people as I can. 36:23 Each one of us, as we know better, learn better we got to help the next person. 36:30 And I love the podcast last week, Dr. 36:33 Robert Forkirk, he said it great. 36:34 He said, we've got put our own oxygen masks on. 36:36 We've gotta get better. 36:37 we gotta be strong, and then we can go help other people. 36:41 That's right. 36:42 and that's what I feel like I'm doing. 36:45 Every person who is willing to share their own dark night and their recovery helps so many people out there. 36:53 So Cathy, thank you for doing that. 36:55 All the resources are in the show notes. 36:58 for taking the next step. 37:00 And thank you. 37:02 Thank you, Cathy. 37:04 Stay well, everybody. 37:05 We hope this episode inspired you! 37:07 Here's how to go deeper. 37:09 Visit deeperhealing.com to become a patient. 37:12 Online, we have loads of courses and a free toxin quiz. 37:15 Subscribe and please, please share this with someone who needs it. 37:20 It's always that one-on-one support that really gets people to find deeper healing. 37:31 Remember, this is educational content, not medical advice. 37:35 The information shared here should be discussed with your own personal healthcare provider. 37:39 If you're excited by listening to the medical experts or the personal recovery stories on here and you want to start your deeper healing journey, 37:47 go to deeperhealing.com and start the process.
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