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Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Dr. Keesha Ewers is an integrative medicine expert, Doctor of Sexology, Family Practice ARNP, Psychotherapist, herbalist, is board certified in functional medicine and Ayurvedic medicine, and is the founder and medical director of the Academy for Integrative Medicine Health Coach Certification Program. Dr. Keesha has been in the medical field... Read More
Jonathan Goldman, MA and Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Jonathan Goldman, MA, is an international authority and pioneer in the field of sound healing. He is a renowned writer, musician and teacher and the author of several books including Healing Sounds, The Divine Name, and The 7 Secrets of Sound Healing. A Grammy nominee, his award winning recordings include:... Read More
- Learn the principles of sound as an energy healing modality
- Discover the power of your voice in transforming your health
- Experience using conscious humming to reduce stress and enhance the release of healing hormones
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Welcome back to the Reverse Autoimmune Disease Summit series, everybody. We’re on version 5.0, Healing the Energy Body. And I’m really delighted to bring to you two wonderful people around healing sounds for optimum energy and health. Jonathan Goldman and his partner, Andi Goldman. Jonathan’s an international authority and pioneer in the field of sound healing. A renowned writer, musician, and teacher, and the author of several books, including Healing Sounds, The Divine Name, and The 7 Secrets of Sound Healing. He’s a Grammy nominee. His award-winning recordings include, Chakra Chants The Divine Name, and Reiki Chants.. And he’s the founder and director of the Sound Healers Association and CEO of Spirit Music. He was named as one of Watkins Mind Body Spirit magazine’s 100 Most Spiritually Influential Living People. Andi Goldman is a licensed psychotherapist, specializing in holistic counseling and sound therapy. She’s the director of the Sealing Sound Seminars and co-director of the Sound Healers Association. She’s a musician, teacher, sound healer, and award-winning author. Between the two of them, they’ve co-authored Chakra Frequencies and their new best selling, The Humming Effect, which won the 2018 Gold Visionary Award for best health and healing book. Welcome to the series.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Keesha thank you so much for the beautiful introduction. And plus, we’re delighted to be here.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
It’s a blessing to be sharing with you and anyone who’s going to be watching or listening to this ever. Some, shall we say insights, into how sound can really affect us on a really beneficial, positive level. Our physical body, our emotional body, our mental body, and our spiritual body, everything together.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yes, and sound is a bridge for all of them, isn’t it?
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
It really is. And, and it’s such powerful modality because first of all, we can use our own voice to bridge those things and everyone has a voice. And so we have that power within ourselves to shift and change our energy, our stress levels, our moods, whatever, just through our voice.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And I’d like to suggest that the modern quantum physicists and our ancient mystic masters have been in agreement, that everything is in a state of vibration Therefore, if it’s an via state of vibration, potentially, it’s creating a sound. Therefore, you can relate anything and everything to sound.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Mh-hm.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm, what you mentioned earlier, the physical body, the emotional body, the energetic body, these are five layers in ayurvedic medicine they call the punch of koches. And one of the principles behind autoimmune disease, I often see as the emotional body, which is connected through the energy system to the physical body. In other words, genetics, organ systems, tissues, the physicality of where disease can settle, is it’s connected through that energy body. And so when we talk about vibrational healing and sound healing through vibrations, it’s a really a key element. And I love that, you know, you pointing out, we all have our voice that we carry with us everywhere we go. This is free medicine here.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
I like that description.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Exactly.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
It’s free medicine. But you know Keesha, it’s interesting because, I mean, as a therapist, I know so well how the emotional body, if we can work with that emotional body, we can keep it and heal it. We can keep it from lodging into our physical body. Then creating that autoimmune whatever, you know might happen. So everything is so connected as Jonathan was just saying.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And I’d just like to suggest that from one perspective, a lot of, I like to call them imbalances. Imbalances that occur whether down the physical, what any of the different layers. And there’s so many. But oftentimes they’re blockages in this energy field. And one of the key players in removing the blockage is sound, is vibration, is being a- once you get the vibration in there, it can literally remove the, shall we say, the imbalance, the blockage, you get the free flow of energy regardless of what layer you’re on. And as you know, there’s a feedback loop happening on all of them. We can’t holistically separate these different layers. I mean, I know there are people that do, but I just find that it’s not looking at the whole gestalt of what is to just look at one layer.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
So I like that everything is so interconnected that we need to honor all aspects of being.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Yes.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Very nicely said. And I wanna just pop in with, when we talk about utilizing sound and that vibrational medicine that can get in there and open up and dissipate those blockages, I think a really important component also is our intention. And so when we can place our intention on that sound and let that sound carry our intention into whatever that melody is that we’re working on, intention is… In fact, Jonathan created a formula well over 40 years ago, we’ve been doing this a long time. Jonathan in 40 years, I’ve been with, we’ve been working together for 27 so we have a lot of information to share. But he created a formula, frequency plus intent equals healing. So when we take that intention, coupled with that sound, boom, that’s where the healing really can happen.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And just as a suggestion, what this does is this is an extraordinary tool for empowerment. When I first came up with this formula, a lot of the scientists and doctors would look at me in puzzlement. That’s kind saying in puzzlement, they thought I was .
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
She probably is.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
All right. But now we have people like Bruce Lipton, Joe Dispenza, and all these folks
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
talking about the power of belief and the power of placebo, and the power of the fact that as we project our consciousness onto and sound is a wonderful purveyor of being able to project our consciousness on. So that indeed we can even experience this when we’re vocalizing through speech, through conversation. We can be healing in our conversation if we project the energy of consciousness, of love and compassion in what we’re saying. Or we can have the opposite effect with our words and our voice. And it’s that powerful and that important.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, I mean, ancient societies across time and space have known this and have whole variety of arenas, right? You got Gregorian chanting, lots of different kind of mystical.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Mantras, whatever you had.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mantra. all over the east. Yeah, exactly. And, you know, Tibetan, that deep throat chanting. That’s amazing. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Well, and you know when we were talking about, I mean, that was a great sound, that’s hard to make, and the people studied that sound for years. But if we just do something simple, like, mm. You know, a conscious humming sound, that. The whole point is, if someone is really struggling with an illness, more than likely that illness has happened due to inflammation, due to an immune system that’s been weakened. And when we utilize sound, even something as simple yet as effective as a conscious humming sound, that can really help reduce the stress that has been built up causing this inflammation. And so, once again, everything is so connected and if we can lower that stress level, we’re gonna lower that level of inflammation as well.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And real quick. You know, Tibetan depending voice, intervals, mantras, harmonics, tuning forks, whatever, we work with them, we play with them. They’re wonderful. And we’ve been teaching this for a long time. And oftentimes we would teach people. They’d do a weekend workshop or more with us and we’d go through profound, powerful things. Then we’d see ’em a year later and they didn’t have a sound practice for whatever reason. And when we’d share with somebody, they would go, “Well, I can’t do that. I’m not a trained singer.” Or I’m-
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Or takes too long. You know, I don’t have a half hour or 40 minutes to just tone.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Some years ago we went in search of the sound that everybody could make without being judgemental. The all inclusive sound. And we came up with… The hum.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And we thought, you know what? We want to have an outlet to bring the powerful healing ability of sound in your own voice, to as many people as we possibly can. And so that’s why we came up with conscious humming because certainly every single person has probably hummed in their lifetime.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
The elderly.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
The babies. It’s like self soothing and people hum. And, we have never heard anyone say, “You know, I’m just not a very good hummer.”
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Right.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
There’s not a lot of judgment around your voice and around the practice of humming. And even if you hum for a couple minutes in a conscious way, you’re going to really shift and change your energy fields.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And once again I create and have created a lot of really well received music for deep relaxation and people have used these. And once again, if we can reduce stress, we can reduce inflammation and the music affects us on a psycho acoustic level going into our ears. It also on a level affects us a little less on the vibro-acoustic level going into our body on a cellular level. But if we can listen to music, that’s one key ingredient to chilling out and we really give thanks for that. But we’ve found that making your own sound is such a profoundly powerful effect. And that humming is the most powerful, viable, acoustic sound that we can make. The sound is totally internally manifested as a great, if you like internal massage, and yet the sound, because it vibrates with harmonics, works on the different aetheric fields on the Meridian points, all sorts of things.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, there’s a pranayama exercise and you know that,
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Bhramari.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Bhramari, yeah. The Bhramari where you take out your sensory and activate your Bhramari points and then hum as loud as you can. And that’s bathing your thyroid in oxygenated blood. It’s an amazing crowning emma for the healing of thyroid conditions.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Right.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And you know, we’ve found, personally, that it’s actually not necessary to do the mudra,
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
But you can, of course.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
It’s effective. ’cause we’ve seen so many different teachers have used different mudras as well as just simply blocking the ear. And we found on a level that for a lot of people just letting them do a conscious hum is an extraordinary thing. And what do we mean by conscious humming?
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
What do we mean by conscious humming? We mean that your lips are closed. You’re setting an intention. You’re putting yourself in a place where you’re not gonna be disturbed and you’re actually setting aside time to focus on actually humming. Before we get more into that though, I really want talk about the physiological benefits that really occur. The reason why our stress level is reduced. The reason why it’s such a opening up of the parasympathetic nervous system through humming and the vagus nerve is activated. Because on a physiological level, it lowers our blood pressure, it lowers our heart rate, it releases many different hormones such as melatonin, which regulates our sleep cycle.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Among other things.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Among other things, yeah. And also oxytocin, which is the trust hormone. And so there are these hormones that are emitted just by virtue of our own conscious humming. And then there’s a molecule that is extremely healing called nitric oxide. And nitric oxide is really getting a lot of press right now.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hm.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And it’s as you know, a vasodilator, it widens and opens the circulatory system, allowing more oxygen model.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Shuttle of oxygen around to everything that needs it, which is everywhere. Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Yeah.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
It starts up here. It starts up here.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And it enhances neuroplasticity. And also, and this is very cool, considering the shall you say, a lot of the situations that are occurring now is that it has antiviral properties. So that when you hum, as we’re gonna demonstrate in a minute, whatever, in a nasal fashion, you get 15 times the amount of nitric oxide that is normally produced. This is enough so it is a therapeutic level and it’s been studied and researched in hospitals that are working with, shall we say, some of the nasty critters that are around here. So if you like antiviral, humming is very, very cool and that’s something we would like to suggest. And as Andi said, it’s a wonderful tool for helping our blood pressure and it’s great for working with our vagus nerve. It’s one of the few things that really is effective at assisting the vagus nerves, which and of course, the vagus nerve is the all empowering. There’s so much focus that’s happening lately on a lot of these things like nitric oxide and vagus nerve. When we wrote The Humming Effect in some of our other books, we talked about these things, there had been less focus of attention. So we are so grateful that nowadays people are beginning to understand this. And people are under beginning to understand the power of making their own sound in order to interface and effect these phenomena.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Well, and the real beauty of that is that we have that power within ourselves. It’s a very empowering thing to know that you, if you’re really in a stressful place or you’re dealing with some kind of illness and that you’re trying to find different modalities to help you. That you have that power within yourself to start consciously humming. And when we were saying before, you wanna find a place where you’re not gonna be disturbed, where you can actually focus on the intention and putting that into the sound and we’re gonna be doing a demonstration shortly.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
But wait, I just wanna.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Go ahead.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
That even, you know, if you suffer from lets say, white coat syndrome. The phenomena of going to a doctor and going, “Ah!” And your blood pressure goes . If you sit there and you do a minute or two of conscious humming, our blood pressure really reduce to pharmaceutical levels. You can drop 10, 20 points. And we’ve got a great quote from Bruce Lipton on via-
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Oh, may I read that?
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Would you read it to me? This is very cool, Bruce.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
I’d love to read this quote. We mentioned Bruce earlier and Bruce Lipton gave us a beautiful quote for our book, The Humming Effect, on the back of the book. And he says, “I highly recommend the humming effect for all those impacted by the stress of the modern world. It is a powerful non-pharmaceutical prescription for self healing that has only positive side effects such as harmony, health, and happiness.” Now, who doesn’t want that?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
All of those things said.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And you can, anyone can do it. Anyone can do it. They have the power within themselves. So thank you for letting me read that. I love to read Dr. Bruce Lipton’s quote because it really, the non-pharmaceutical prescription. How cool is that? You don’t need to take a Valium or whatever.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And I would suggest, and I think you’d be at agreement, that most of the immunological difficulties that we have oftentimes come from stress. Would that resonate with you?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. Oh, of course. Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
So if we can somehow assist this, what a blessing.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Mm.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I agree. And in my book Solving the Autoimmune Puzzle, I always call trauma the missing piece of the puzzle because of how it’s set up nervous system habits. And what sound, what humming can do, is go in and disrupt those habituated ways of operating. I remember doing a very strict Buddhist practice of prostrations, many, many, many, many, many, thousands of them. And my mentor was watching my form when I was several thousand in and she said, “You know, you can make sound while you do this.” And ’cause I was just silent. And she said, “Sometimes it’s really helpful when you hit, your whole body to the ground, that you let out a hum or a noise or an exhale that has some grit to it and it just gets rid of some of these stored places right in your physicality.” And I just remember feeling such satisfaction when I started doing that. Like, ah, that feels good.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
That on a level is one of the really cool things about the hum. It feels good.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
It feels good.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
I can be sitting there doing a silent meditation, TM, or whatnot, breath, whatever, whatever, whatever. Start to hum and it all of a sudden takes things to a different level because you can feel your physical body and all sorts of the other fields begin to resonate and vibrate through the self create sound. So once again, we’re very, very excited to be sharing this with you and our-
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Our audience.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
That my be watching or at some point down the road even watching this. So, just to be able to get out this information. Because it’s interesting, because many people don’t really know this and when they do find out about it, it’s a revelation on a lot of levels to people. At least that’s the feedback that we we’ve often gotten.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Also, I had advanced meditators, people who teach yoga and whatnot. And if they’re not familiar with Bhramari pranayama or bhramari pranayama. and we’ve given them the humming thing, we’ve had experiences in major arsenals where these yoga teachers are just floored, they’re flattened by the power of the hum.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Yeah, yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
How cool is that?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. Very cool.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
So I guess we’d like to just, first of all, give some suggestions about when people are humming things, that we would suggest that they do.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And what I talked about earlier, you wanna keep your lips closed when you’re humming, because you want that sound to go internally. And when you take a nice deep breath, which is part of the conscious humming, you wanna breathe and get a nice belly breath, the diaphragmatic breath. And you breathe in and the exhale is when the hum comes out. So it’s like, And we’re gonna, hopefully if we have time.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Yeah, we’ll do it.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Guide our listeners through just a brief
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Brief.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
experience of conscious humming. And so if that would be, would this be a good time to do that?
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Oh, but just-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Let’s do it.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
A real quick thing. Once again, when we wrote The Humming Effect, which is the first professionally published book on humming, we thought, who’s gonna take this seriously?
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Oh, right, right. Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And we gave you some of the physiological benefits and there’s so much more in the book. And the first chapter is nothing more or less than peer reviewed information on the power of self-created sound, the hum. So it’s real. And then we go on into, we have a chapter in Bhramari pranayama. We have a chapter on the potential use of humming for different head traumas for neurogenesis. Which is the, if you like reconnection regeneration of neural cells in the brain. Wow, what a concept. And the last thing with regard to the hum, I’m just gonna do this, but I suggest to anybody I’m not faking this one. I’m gonna hum and I’m gonna pinch my nose. This is just to show that when you hum, if you pinch your nose, you can’t hum. It’s impossible. And a lot of people go, “Whoa.”
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
“I didn’t know that.”
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Oh my gosh. I had no idea.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Okay, if you didn’t know that, do you think there are other things about humming that perhaps we might educate you on?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And before we guide our listeners into a very brief humming experience. I do wanna mention that when we have been consciously humming, when we are finished, whether we do it for a minute, for five minutes, go into a meditation afterwards, it doesn’t matter. But you do want to be in silence after you have created the sounds. Because it is in the silence that the shifts and changes actually start to occur in your body, mind, and spirit. So after we do-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I found after seven rounds of Bhramari, the only thing that I want to do is meditate.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Ah, yeah, yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
It’s just the most beautiful. For anybody who has the resistance to meditation. “Oh, I can’t make my mind sit still. Oh, I don’t have time. I’m too agitated.” No. All you have to do is this and then it clears everything out. It aligns all of your energy system and all you want to do is meditate.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Beautiful.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Yeah. Yeah.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
I like to say that silence is the yin to the yang of sound.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And interestingly, the word silent and the word listen are anagrams. They have the exact same letters. So when we are in that silence, we are listening within. We are listening to our inner wisdom. We’re letting that come through.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
So we’re just gonna do three of these hums. But we would like to suggest, if possible, if somebody wants to have a nice experience, that they do five minutes of conscious humming. And then they allow themselves at least five minutes of silence. ‘Cause not only are they gonna have some really profound, inner experience and really blissful experiences. But also, if you do five minutes of humming, you will probably so be so blissed out, you won’t be able to get up. If you decide to do five minutes of humming, don’t plan on getting in your car and driving for a little while.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
So why don’t we go ahead and let’s sit if we can with our spine straight. And it’s helpful if we do close our eyes and begin to focus on your breathing, taking some nice deep diaphragmatic breaths, letting that belly, that in breath of belly protrudes, on the exhale it lessens. And we’ll breathe in and out, and now on our next inhale, When we exhale, we will start the first of our three hums.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Oh, real quick. And do it in a tone or a sound that is comfortable to you.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Right. Right.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Oftentimes the conversational voice pitch is very good. You don’t have to try to mimic what we’re doing works. Do what works for you. We don’t want you to strain. We want you to feel in comfort and be at ease. So we’ll continue with taking those nice deep breaths and feeling our bodies relax. And now on the next inhale. When we exhale, we’ll be the first of a series of three hums. So in the inhale and hum. Another breath in. Exhale, and one more. Breathing in. Now we’ll be in silence just for a few moments in lieu of our time. But when you’re doing this on your own, you wanna give yourself as much time as you can to be in silence. And when you feel ready, open your eyes and come back into our current space.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Lovely. Thank you so much.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
So Keesha how did that affect you?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
This is a daily practice for me. I do seven Bhramari twice a day.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Oh.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And the more you do it, the more depth you become, I could see within that three little hums that we did, that your energy field and you were quite affected by this as were we.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Yeah. I think all three of us we’re experienced homers.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
And hopefully that can help people who are just learning about humming and realizing that yeah, it is possible to develop a practice. And even if you start out humming for one minute, that’s great. Even if you’re in a stressful place and oh my gosh, you just gotta get your center back. Just start to hum. Have that practice humming two or three or four or five minutes before your meditation. So hopefully.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Or it’s part of your meditation as the lead. So it has been an honor to talk with you who is an experienced hummer indeed and energetic medicine person. So thank you so very much for the ability of sharing this. We just feel that it’s something everybody can do. And because on a level, the hum is so neutral that on a level you don’t have to understand that perhaps the original sound of creation, the Om, may have actually come from the hum. Don’t need to go.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
Just the fact that you can hum and experience that. You can come from any tradition. Experience and embrace the hum and be healed by it.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Yeah.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, it’s in Shalom and I’m in too so it’s, you’re right, yeah.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Salam.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Salam,
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Thank you Keesha for this opportunity.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate you taking some time and just even sharing a fraction of your wisdom.
Jonathan Goldman, MA
And thank you.
Andi Goldman, MA, LPC
Many blessings.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
All right everybody, until next time. Be well.
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