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Tom McCarthy is a husband, father, author, speaker, entrepreneur, and investor who has owned businesses in the training, software, financial services, and restaurant industries. Tom’s clients in his training business include some of the worlds leading companies such as Cisco Systems, Microsoft, Salesforce, Wells Fargo, and MetLife. His latest book,... Read More
Rob Wergin has provided healing transformation to over 250,000 people in the last 19 years, and has led large and small groups throughout the U.S. and Europe, including Agape International Spiritual Center, The Omega Institute, Mile High Church in Denver, and the 2019 Healing Kongress in Stuttgart. Rob is featured... Read More
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Our next guest is an amazing guy that I had a chat with a few weeks ago. And I first saw him in a movie called “Heal,” which went out all over the world. I think it’s on Netflix. So he’s probably become quite famous from that. But in addition to that, he’s worked with over 250,000 people as an energy healer, helping them to heal in places like the Agape International Spiritual Center, Mile High Church in Denver. So his work really is universal, spreading all over the world. And it’s interesting, because he had this gift early on, and I know he is gonna talk about it, but then he was talked out of his gift of being this energy healer, this person that could help other people. I think, Rob, you told me that you would heal animals when you were young, but then because of your parents thinking that no, you can’t do that, or those things you’re seeing aren’t right. You actually stopped doing that. And we’ll get into a story a little bit later, too. It was fairly recently, 19 years ago, that you rediscovered this gift that you’re here on this planet for. And so I’m so excited to have you here. I can’t wait to really dig into what you do, because you’ve helped so many people already. And I know everybody that’s coming, watching now, can use what you have to offer. So Rob, thank you for joining us.
Rob Wergin
You’re welcome. It’s a pleasure. It’s cool to meet you too. It’s like we’ve known each other a long time, but we just met, so.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah, no, it definitely feels that way. So talk to us about your childhood and you know what? It’s interesting, like when I talk to energy healers, a lot of them say, and I think this is your belief too, that we all come into the world with this ability to be intuitive and see things, and then we get talked out of it the same way that your parents talked you out of it. That happens to pretty much most children, right? But tell us a little bit about your story.
Rob Wergin
Well, so I was raised by German Lutheran parents, so very strict religious beliefs. We were holding Bibles when we were old enough to hold a Bible, and reading out of the Bible when we could read. And I mean, it was all about religion when I was growing up, everything was about religion. And if I wanted to go play baseball, I had to do all kinds of religious stuff first and then go, you know, like that, so.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And so one of the things that, I have three siblings, but one of the things we were all taught was how to pray. And as a little boy I would, you know, I grew up in Western, South Dakota, and we lived right at the base of a nice set of like foothills. And when I was a little kid, I would walk out the backyard, and walk up in this hill. And often I would find an animal that had been injured, or something was happening. And I just believed that I would just do what my parents taught me to do. I’d look up to the sky and say, God, would you please help this rabbit, or whatever, it would be a bird or whatever. And I’d put my hand on the animal, and I’d feel all this like crazy energy coming through my body, had no idea what it was. The animal would like jump around a little bit, and then it would be fine. Then I would say, thank you, God. And then I would run home like this proud little kid and say, mom, guess what I just did. Now, that didn’t go over very well.
You know, stop telling stories, stop exaggerating. You didn’t do that. So for a long time, she just kind of like humored me, but didn’t like it. And mainly because she thought I was making it up. And what happened was one day, I don’t know, a year later or something, I was about seven years old. I had been out walking around, and I found this little nest with five or six baby mice in it that were dead. And they were still kind of, they weren’t really cold yet, but they were dead. And so I picked them up, and I ran home with them, and I’m like, mom, I’m gonna pray for these mice. And she’s like, get these mice outta here. I’m like, I gotta pray for these mice. And so I held them in my hands, and I felt all this energy, and opened my hands, and they were moving around. Needless to say, my mother was a shock, shock and awe would be the term.
And immediately called the pastor of our Missouri Synod Lutheran Church, and wanted to schedule an exorcism for me. So that’s what happened. When I was at about seven years old, they took me to the church, and they did all these crazy stuff. And even at seven, my little mind was saying, but this doesn’t make any sense to me. ‘Cause if mice can be alive, or a rabbit can be fixed, or a deer can walk again, what part of the devil is that? And my parents were convinced that the devil was tricking me. He’s tricking you. It’s like, no, is it? So anyway, what happened after that was obviously I was scared to death from this event that happened, this you’re gonna burn in hell, and all these things they were yelling at me. And so I shut it down.
Tom McCarthy
Well, and for a seven year old, just think about that, like an exorcism. I remember the movie watching with my teens, I think, you know, the, I can’t even remember where it was a famous, “Exorcist,” I think, was the movie.
Rob Wergin
“The Exorcist.” Right. Yeah.
Tom McCarthy
I mean, that is such a traumatic, almost like mark of shame. And you’re going through that at seven years old, just from healing. Like that’s gotta be something that would scare the heck out of a little seven year old, right?
Rob Wergin
It did. And obviously when I got older, I went through a lot of therapy. And what’s interesting was all of us kids, as soon as we left home, we abandoned the church, and abandoned religion. And when I left home, people would say, do you go to church? I’m like, no, I’m an atheist. And I’m like that, what it did was it reversed everything on me. And I would say that I was an atheist. And I just didn’t, I didn’t really remember what I did. It was so scared out of me, but what I noticed was, and looking, it’s always great to look back, right? You can kinda see this progression of all these gifts that I received. And one of the first biggest gifts I received was actually the exorcism. And when I realized that, it cleared a lot of things for me, but in the meantime, I had to go through lots of therapy, and like, blah, blah, blah. But what I understood was that my parents made a very specific choice for me. They chose to scare this, whatever it was, out of me. And in doing so, they enabled me to have a normal human life.
Tom McCarthy
Right.
Rob Wergin
They could have taken me to the Shrine Circus, or put me on head Solomon, or, you know, whatever. But yet they shut me down, and that allowed me to be a normal little boy. And then a teenager, and all of that. And so I was able to have somewhat normal life experiences instead of having non-normal life experiences by being this, you know, crazy kid that could do stuff.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
That was a gift.
Tom McCarthy
And so for a lot of your life, this is interesting too, like the healing that you’ve done, the 250,000 lives you’ve touched, that’s been relatively recent in your life. For a lot of your life you were in corporate leader, business person, not doing the work that you’re so famous for now. Talk about that. So you have this normal life, things are relatively normal, I think you told me you had some, all sorts of things kind of happen to you. And then the ultimate, what you call the ultimate cosmic two by four smacked you across the head at some point. But take us through kind of in, you know, in just a few minutes, kind of your journey to where you are right now.
Rob Wergin
So I was always an entrepreneur, so I had little businesses. When I was 10 years old, I had three different businesses.
Tom McCarthy
At 10.
Rob Wergin
Seriously, I had a lawn mowing business, an earthworm business, and a car washing business.
Tom McCarthy
Wow.
Rob Wergin
On four. And I had a paper out. That’s all. So I always had this tendency to manifest money. And so what happened was that my focus in my early days became, I became focused on becoming wealthy. That was my intention. I wanted to do it with integrity and honesty. I just wanted to be, I wanted to feel like a millionaire, right? So when I was a senior in high school, I was actually the manager of a McDonald’s. The manager. And firing my friends, and all that kind of stuff. So I just spent my life being motivated by success. And also, unfortunately, I say that for a reason, unfortunately, money, because I became focused too much on material things. And so by the time I was 30, I was a multi-millionaire. And by the time I was 40, I was even better. And by the time I was 50, you know, and I was like a turnaround guy, I was doing all these amazing things. And people would always say to me, how do you know so much? How are you able to see the future? And now I know why. Then I just would say lucky. I’m just lucky. But I was always being guided, but in a way that I didn’t, it wasn’t, you know, I wasn’t aware of it.
So by the time I was 50, on my 50th birthday, I bought a new Porsche. I lived in Corona Del Mar, which, you know, is one of the highest cost zip codes in the country. And I thought life was good. I was gonna retire and have a house in Aspen, a house in Santa Barbara, and all was gonna be well. And then everything changed right after my 51st birthday. And everything that I had worked all my life for was taken from me, literally taken from me. And so I spent the next three and a half years probably doing what a lot of people, you know, again, this was a gift, right? I look at every thing in my life as gifts. Because no matter how hard it is, and painful it is, and destructive it may seem, on the other side of that is always something much greater for you.
Tom McCarthy
You would not be doing what you’re doing now, had that not, things not been taken from you. Exactly, yeah.
Rob Wergin
So I again, I was in therapy for a while after that. And then I one day woke up and went, wait a minute? Just what you said. The person that stole everything from me gave me a gift, because it took me away from being this materialistic power hungry CEO, humbled me to the max, because I had zero money. Zero. There was no money. I had to ask people to give me money so I could eat. Going from a multi-millionaire to that in one day is pretty humbling. And you know, so it was a huge lesson for me. But again, I didn’t realize it at the moment. I did what probably most 50 year old guys would do. I started, I always loved a nice martini. I never was an alcoholic or anything like that. I just liked a nice glass of wine, nice martini, but then I started adding more martinis, and more wine. And then I started adding pain killers. And I was doing everything I could to try to numb myself down because I felt so betrayed. And I felt like I’d betrayed myself, and betrayed my family. And I was betrayed, and I had all these, you know, really powerful emotions. Again, looking back, everything in my life was training me for the work that I do now. Everything that happened in my life taught me about human experiences. And I know for a fact that as what the beings that were working with me, chose to give me the most extreme experiences so I’d really get it. So here we are at age 51, it’s February, 2003. No, I’m sorry. At 51 is before that. So I’d spent the next three and a half years drilling myself into the ground.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Making your transfer, like the butterfly, right? You were in the cocoon, kind of transforming. Yeah.
Rob Wergin
I was just like a big pile of mush. And so for three and a half years, I just kept, you know, transforming. And on February, 2003, I lived in, still lived in Southern California, but I was now in Seal Beach, and I had just decided I’d had enough. And I took a bunch of pills. I had done research on the internet to see what combination of this and that, that would do the job, ’cause I didn’t, I’m not a violent person. I could never do anything like with a gun, or a noose, or like that. And I took all these pills, and I walked down to the beach, and I thought, you know what? I’ll just die on the beach. Somebody will find me. It’ll be fine. And without going into a lot of detail, I found myself on the beach. I found myself standing up with my fist, and screaming at God, even though I said I was an atheist, you blankety blank, blank, why’d you do this to me? I’ve never hurt anybody. I’ve never done anything wrong. And at the end of my rant, which could have been five seconds or five minutes, I don’t remember, I said something really clever.
Like so God, if you have anything to say to me, you better say it now. Like, oh yeah? And I heard a voice. Whether I was delusional, who knows? I’m not even gonna go there, ’cause who knows? But I heard a voice and the voice, in summary basically said, we’d like you to do what you did as a child, except with humans. And I’m like, I don’t know what you’re talking about. And so over the next few days, I was kind of, I was given a recall of my childhood. And they said, you’d do it the same way, you ask God for help. You get out of the way, ’cause it’s not you. You’re just the vehicle. So God brings help, Tom, get out of the way, step aside, let them use my human body, and all my human senses, to read all of your human senses. And get out of the way, and watch what happens. That’s kind of, that’s a quick story.
Tom McCarthy
Well, it’s interesting because you said, you said that these beings, these guides, these entities that come through you, they wanted, they needed your humanity to help them heal better, right? I think that’s the way you explain explained it to me.
Rob Wergin
Yes. And you know, that was one of my biggest questions going forward is like, I’m a CEO kind of guy, so I’m trying to figure everything out. Like how these things go together. And I kept saying, but if you’re God, and I’m this wretch of a human being, what do you need me for? Why don’t you just bypass me, and go straight to Tom?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And they said, well, two things. Number one, the energy that is being received by you is being transformed by you to the maximum that Tom can withstand. And we need a human interface so we can see how much energy that is.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
So I’m kind of like the eyes and ears of God, so to speak, ’cause I’m not doing the work, I’m watching what they’re doing. And I’m observing it, and I’m in wonder and amazement all the time. Yet it’s not me, but I can see, they use my, all of my senses to check into all of your human senses, because they’re not human, right? They’re a high frequency, high vibration beings. And that’s too much to come all at you at once. So they come through me first, and my body has an, somehow has an ability to temper to the perfect voltage for you. So to speak.
Tom McCarthy
What does that feel like when that energy’s moving through your body?
Rob Wergin
It feels like I’m in a thunderstorm, and the lightning’s hitting me.
Tom McCarthy
That’s really wow, okay. And do you feel, you feel tired afterwards, or energized, or what is it?
Rob Wergin
Energized for a while, and then down I go.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Down. Yeah. You need to recover. Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Wergin
So I have never been trained. My training was ask God for help, and get out of the way. That was my training.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And what I learned from that, was that what I’ve learned over the last 19 years, and all these people I’ve worked with is we are always connected to divine energy. It’s always available to us. All we need to do is ask for it. Because there’s this thing called free will.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And you know, you could be surrounded by angels, and guides, and masters, and teachers, and you’re not asking for help. They’re all around you going, I wonder if he is ever gonna ask for help. And so then they’ll like, do these little taps, like give you a little, little bait to see if, you know, if you’ll take it or not. And most people don’t take it. And they just don’t understand that there’s this divine energy that’s available to everybody 24/7. All you gotta do is ask for it. And you don’t need to ask for it in the way that people think that, you know, people are trained to go to the doctor, and fill out all these paper works of all the things that are wrong with me. Here, list all the things that are wrong with you. Put it in paper, proclaim it to the universe. All of these things are wrong with me. And what I’ve learned is that what, what I’ve learned is that don’t be telling God what to do, right?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
If you ask for help, just ask for help now, and get out of the way. And don’t say, you know, please help my left knee, but don’t touch my right knee. And you know, I’d like to stop smoking, but not for three weeks. And you know, we get into this negotiation with God, or whoever, instead of just saying, I surrender, please help me now. And getting out of the way.
Tom McCarthy
And not even naming the condition, or help that you need, just help me in the best way that I need now or what would be a good way to kind of?
Rob Wergin
Well, I say help me now. Thank you.
Tom McCarthy
Help me now.
Rob Wergin
‘Cause what I’ve learned over the years is that 99.9% of what is wrong with us, is the manifestation of something else. So again, if I say work on my left shoulder, Rob, my left shoulder has an energetic connection to my left kidney. And so if I’m just working on your shoulder, I’m only, I’m like snipping the dandelion off the weed. But the root’s still down there. So we need to go to the source. So what happens in this work is we go back to your very first lifetime, and come forward, looking for patterns, habits, diseases, whatever, that you’ve carried forward that have been magnified as the snowball rolls downhill. And we go back seven generations in your lineage looking for the same thing. ‘Cause the moment of your conception, instead of being this beautiful shining star, you’re slimed with all this stuff in your past life you haven’t completed, all this stuff in your seven generations that hasn’t been completed, that’s been passed down to you. And then you get to go through the pregnancy, and the birth, and the kid, and teenager, and life. And all of a sudden you’re a mess. And you don’t understand why. And a lot of it is subconscious. You’ll never find out what it is. And so when you tell your story, first of all, you’re claiming your story, but you know, more importantly, it’s the wrong story, anyway.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. I love what you’re talking about. I hope everybody’s getting this. And you talked to me about this the first time we talked, but you said people will come to you, and they’ll say, hey, my left shoulder, heal that. And then you’re working on some other part and they go, no, no, no. And because you’re going to the root cause, the symptom is not, symptom relief, take an aspirin. That’ll help with the symptom. But if you really wanna, if you really wanna heal, it is the root cause. And so you’re so right though, when people, you know, they go to the doctor, and fill out the form, and the doctor looks, so they got this, this, and they just treat symptoms. What you’re really talking about is this divine intelligence that knows to go to points of origin and true causes. And so that’s really beautiful. I hope people really understand that. No matter what you have right now, if it’s cancer, or, you know, pain in your body, or whatever it is, that’s probably not the real thing that needs to be treated for you to heal.
Rob Wergin
And I’ll get in groups and say, okay, how many of you, in fact, there’s a little video clip on my website that when I was at Agape, and I think I said, how many of you brought your story in here? How many of you heard about this healer guy, and you are hoping to get the session with him, and you have your list of all the stuff that’s wrong with you. You brought it to this healing event, and you are hoping that I can go down the list for you. And everybody’s like, yeah, that’s me. And I’m like, okay, put your hand down, and rip your list up. ‘Cause it’s not real.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And if you focus on something that’s the outcome rather than the source, like you said, it’ll just, you know, it’s like, I like to use the dandelion example. Because you know, I say in the spring, you have this beautiful green grass, and you have all these dandelions. And you go out and mow the grass, and you cut all the blossoms off, and you think your dandelions are gone. They’re not, the root just gets stronger. And then another dandelion comes up stronger, and you cut that one off, and the root keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger. Well, that’s the same thing that happens with us. That energy that we’re holding onto is acting as a very strong magnet law of attraction, bringing more the same to your body. And you may not even know what it is, ’cause it may have happened to your great, great grandmother, and she passed it down until it got to you. So just get out of the way, ask for help now, and be grateful. And know that all you have to do is ask. ‘Cause these beings are around us. And I mean, you know, they’re funny. The beings that I work with, and the beings that a lot of people work with are standup comedians. ‘Cause their purpose is to bring you back into joyfulness. And so healing shouldn’t be, it shouldn’t be, you might have your moments, but the experience of being healed, whatever that is, should be a joyful experience, because you’re being healed. Right? So have some fun with it, laugh, kid around, goof around. Because the more you can do that, the quicker this stuff leaves.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. And it’s so true because I mean, how great would it be if you’re healed physically, but you’re still dreading life, right? I mean, you know, like, this mental aspect is so important. So obviously you’re not an atheist anymore. You’re the exact opposite. You’re connected with divine and divine intelligence, God. My theory is that people, like you said, we always have this connection, but because we’re in this human body, we forget it. And some people are planted so firmly in their human experience, they don’t feel it, that connection that’s always there. And then some people though can get planted so much in the spiritual experience, the nonphysical, that they’re blissed out, but they can’t really function as a human. I think my goal is to have one foot in the physical, and one foot in the non-physical. So know that connection, but also enjoy the fun of being in a human body, and doing fun things, and experiencing this, that we came down to. What’s a way that people can get a little bit better at that, because I think most people on the planet, the only time they feel a connection to divine is when they go to church once a week, or how can we feel more of that in our life, and still enjoy the human experience of life?
Rob Wergin
So a couple things now, number one, the moment that we started this discussion, you and I, and the moment any of your listeners tune into this discussion between you and I, they’re being connected to the divine, to their divine energy. So all of you who are watching this or listening to this right now, are actually surrounded. And you may be feeling some thing going on in your body. And the challenge with people is we think we know what that feels like. I’m like, have you had any miracles in your life? No. What does a miracle mean to you? Oh, a miracle would mean that I could walk on water, or some crazy thing. And so we set these definitions up for ourselves. I do it, you do it, we all do it. We set up a definition of what it’s gonna feel like to be connected, or what it’s gonna feel like to be healed, or what it’s gonna feel like to have all these experiences. And so we’re looking off to the right, like it’s over there, and it’s all happening over here. But because we’re focused over here, we don’t realize what’s happening over here. And that’s a big challenge for a lot of people. I mean, I’ll get back to your question in a minute, but one of the things I always remember to me is years ago, I worked on a beautiful lady in Boston who was a professor of law in a major university. And she came to see me because she had migraine headaches, Crohn’s disease, Lyme disease, panic attacks, depression, couldn’t sleep, I don’t know.
Tom McCarthy
Other than that, she was fine, right?
Rob Wergin
She was fine. And to look at her, she had stature, she was brilliant. She was amazing lady. And yet she had all this stuff going on inside. And I worked with her one time in Boston, and I used to go there every month. And the next month she signed up for some more work, and I walked up there and said, hey, how are you doing? And she said, I’m pretty good. I don’t really feel anything different, but I feel pretty good. And I said, what about your migraines? I haven’t had anymore. What about your panic and that? Oh, I don’t have those anymore. What about sleep? Yeah, I sleep like a baby. What about depression? I stopped taking all my pills. And then the famous comma at the end of that, but I don’t really feel any different. And I noticed that it used to really upset me. I’d see people having this massive transformation, and I’m like, how are you doing, Tom? They’re like eh. Because we’re not even aware of what’s different in us. And so it’s become, the healing becomes your new normal, and you forget about your old normal.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
So one of the things that I say to people is always know, trust and believe that you’re surrounded, always surrounded by the most appropriate beings for you in that moment. And every time your emotions change or you’re lost in the woods, or taking a test, or having a date, or whatever it is, everything switches to the most appropriate beings, if with you at the moment. So even though it might stretch your brain, understand that 24 7, you’re always surrounded by the most appropriate beings for you in that moment. And it can change moment to moment to moment. So if you go to a psychic, and the psychic says, your guides are Daffy, Donald, and you know, the Road Runner, and you spend the rest of your life focusing on Daffy, Donald, and the Road Runner, you’re missing all the other ones. So I always say to people understand that you’re always surrounded by the most appropriate beings, and be grateful.
So for as an exercise, I would have everybody take a nice deep breath and feel from your heart, your gratitude for all of the appropriate sacred beings that are with me now. I’m so grateful for all these beings who are with me now. We don’t need to know who they are. We don’t need them to remember their names. If you say, I’m grateful for all appropriate, you get ’em all. And you’re not offended, or you’re not offending anybody, or you think you’re offending them, or you’re not forgetting anybody, or you don’t, you brain’s gonna try to talk you into, you didn’t do that right, you only did Donald and Road Runner, you didn’t do Daffy, or whoever else they said, you forgot somebody, and your brain sabotages you. If you keep this really simple, I’m grateful for all the appropriate beings who are with me now. Thank you. And take a nice deep breath with your eyes closed, and just notice what you notice in your body. And again, you don’t try to direct the energy somewhere or talk about, you know, I’m really this, or I’m really that, you just sit back and relax, and surrender. Like I have a little dog and you know, a lot of people have dogs, and you walk in, and your dog flips over on its back, and wants you to rub its tummy. That’s kind of my visual of surrender. Just, you know, let it go. And be grateful for your life, and be grateful for all your gifts and blessings, and be grateful for the energy that’s coming to you right now, ’cause it’s always coming to you.
Tom McCarthy
So let’s talk about a couple things. I wanna talk about the importance in belief, but also I wanna talk about beings right now. So you talked about beings, intuitives. Most of them, I think, all believe that we’re never alone. We come in to this world and there’s you know, we’re in our bodies, but there’s nonphysical beings that are all around us. Like in your room that you’re listening right now, all of you, you know, there’s, you would probably say, Rob, we’ve got, you know, there’s beings in my room, beings, you know, they’re there to support us. They’re there to help us. They’re there to heal us, guide us, help us make decisions, those little intuitions sometimes that we get are guided by them. But for people that are not as experienced in what we’re talking about, what is a being? Like when you’re talking about a being, they might not be knowing exactly what you mean.
Rob Wergin
Right. And that’s a really good question. So I meant to say this earlier, Tom, but I’ll say it now, everything that I’m speaking about is my opinion.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
It’s my opinion. And it’s my opinion based on 19 years of doing this, I can’t prove it. And if it’s not, if it doesn’t feel too true to you, it doesn’t feel true to you. Just ’cause it’s me doesn’t mean I’m right. It’s just my opinion, from my experience.
Tom McCarthy
That’s great.
Rob Wergin
That’s the first thing. The second thing is to, I forgot what I was gonna say. The beings, there are multiple dimensions. This is what I know. And this is my opinion. There’s one and only one being that’s always the same. Only one. And that’s your guardian angel. And that guardian starts with you with your first breath, and then takes you across when you transition. And often it will be with you lifetime after lifetime, after lifetime. Almost always people say is my uncle my guardian angel? I’m like, was your uncle a highly evolved being? Probably not. So the guardian angel is almost always in the form of a human being. So if I’m looking at you right now, Tom, and I saw your guardian angel, it would have the, I would recognize it as a human form. Even though it’s not alive, and in living color.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rob Wergin
So we have beings that look like human beings, because they have been human beings. The thing about a master, a master being has been in many lifetimes, and has mastered being in a human. And that’s why they’re called master beings. They’ve, you know, we go through lifetime, one of the things that I know to be true for me is that we continue to come back life after life, after life, after life, in order to have every possible human experience. And so this lifetime, you and I might be rich and famous. And next lifetime, you and I could be, you know, street people. Or we could be male or female, or white or black, or yellow or green, or healthy, or, you know, sick, or rich or poor, all of that. We’re gonna play all the roles. And we tend to play with ’em, play these roles with the same people. So understand that the master beings are beings that have been in human form. Then we have angels, which to me again, are basically beams of light from the divine. And the way the light reflects off of these beings makes them look like they have wings, ’cause it’s light coming out from their heart. And they’re not in human form. They’ve never been in human form, but they’re basically like messengers holding space for God’s energy around you. Then you can also have around you, your lineage. So people in your past. And they’re often around you because when you’re in a healing space, they’re there because in the work that I do anyway, we go back seven generations. So you know your great grandfather’s gonna be in the space with you, ’cause he wants some work.
Tom McCarthy
He wants to be healed too.
Rob Wergin
He wants to be healed too, right? And the other thing I wanna say before I forget, I mean I could go on for years, Tom, but one of the things that I learned early on, because one of my requirements to do this work, and my employment agreement was I want you to answer all my questions. I want you to tell me the answer to every question I ask you. And one of the questions I asked early on was, are we being greedy? Are we being selfish? Are we being something, something, if we are constantly asking for help? I mean, do we only get three wishes? Is that all we get?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
What do we get?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And the response, I thought was brilliant, because they said you have unlimited access to us. And you’re not being selfish, you’re not being greedy, because we have the ability to be with multiple people at the same time. So you’re not taking that being away from Tom, and giving it to Rob, we both have the same being. Which makes your brain blow out. But the most important thing is that all of the beings that we work with, all of ’em are on their own spiritual path. And the more they help us, see, there’s always for something to be valid, there always needs to be an energy exchange. Everybody knows that, right?
Tom McCarthy
Absolutely.
Rob Wergin
So when you ask for help and you are helped, you’re raising this vibration, the frequency of the being helping you, because they’re helping you.
Tom McCarthy
That’s a really cool way of thinking about it too though.
Rob Wergin
Right?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Yeah.
Rob Wergin
There’s always this exchange, they’re helping you ’cause you’re helping them, because you’re helping you, ’cause you’re helping them. And so everybody wins when you ask for help. Everybody. And so when you say–
Tom McCarthy
What a great belief? Everybody wins when you ask for help, that’s so cool. I love that.
Rob Wergin
It’s true, right? I mean, you say–
Tom McCarthy
And when you don’t ask for help, nobody wins. So it’s like ask for help, like feel that–
Rob Wergin
A bunch of beings stand around going, is Tom ever gonna say anything?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rob Wergin
And unfortunately, we get to a crisis point. We have a stroke, our–
Tom McCarthy
That’s when they ask for help–
Rob Wergin
It’s like, yeah, help! I promise I’ll quit smoking, you know, whatever. And again, the simplest way to do it is please help me now.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. I ask for help every day. I ask, even in the work that I do, I just say help me do the very best I can do to helping, you know, this planet, and people on this planet evolve today. So I’m always asking for help. So I feel better about it now. I’m not being greedy, I’m actually helping them.
Rob Wergin
You’re helping everybody.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And the one thing I always add to that is I always use the word now. ‘Cause there is no time and space. The beings that we’re working with don’t have iPhones, and iPads, and calendars–
Tom McCarthy
Checking the time, right?
Rob Wergin
Yeah. I mean it’s like, would you help me? Well, when? This lifetime, next lifetime, next week, next month? Now. Please help me now.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Talk about belief. Talk about belief too, Rob. So obviously if you ask for help, but you don’t believe it’s gonna happen, that probably weakens the chance that they’re gonna respond, because if you don’t believe, then they’re like, oh no, he doesn’t really want it. Or he doesn’t, I mean talk about the importance of belief.
Rob Wergin
Well, obviously, belief is really important. However, it’s not going to stop you from receiving help.
Tom McCarthy
Okay.
Rob Wergin
But it may stop you from understanding that you did receive help. And again, it goes to that, you know, I’m gonna ask for help. And in my mind, this is what help’s gonna look like. And I believe that this is what it’s gonna look like. And if it doesn’t look like that, it must not have happened.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
The one thing that I like to use, ’cause it’s universal, is in a group, I’ll say, how many of you people believe in the parking angel? And you know, 80% of the people raise their hand. And I’m like, why do you think that works? Because you believe that if you ask the parking angel for help, you’re gonna get a parking space. You don’t question it, you just believe it. You surrender into that belief, and there it is. So why not have the same belief about everything else? If you just ask for a healthy body, and get out of the way, and not try to look for measure, compare or whatever, with what you think should be, just get out of the way, and just notice whatever you notice. And you might even just notice a little tingling, or a jolt, or something, and be grateful for that. Because remember, most of the stuff that us humans are carrying around is from the past. And we don’t even know what it is. So how are we gonna know if we’re healed from it? If we don’t even know what it is. So you don’t need to know what it is. You just get out of the way, and go, please help me now. Thank you.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Let’s talk about the amount of time it takes too, because obviously, you know, reading the Bible growing up, and Jesus could, you know, would heal people instantaneously. And it was a miracle. Sometimes that happens, I’m sure, for people, but sometimes it doesn’t happen with one session. Like how many sessions does it take to achieve a positive outcome? And what are limitations potentially too?
Rob Wergin
That is the number one question that I get asked.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Can you heal me right away?
Rob Wergin
Can I do this at one session?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
And my response is every one of us is different. And I have no idea what you’re thinking about, what you’re putting in your body, what you’re doing, during or after a recession.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
So if you’re willing to change your diet, which is a big deal, change your thought processes, which is huge, and actually commit yourself to do the work. We have this thing in my work where we say, Tom, if you wanna do the work with us, you have to understand that you’re the 51% partner. God is not the controlling partner. You are.
Tom McCarthy
‘Cause you have choice.
Rob Wergin
You have choice. You can choose to do the work or not. God’s always there, but you gotta do the work.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
So the answer to your question is everybody’s different.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
I’ve seen people get up out of a wheelchair and walk after one session. And I’ve also seen that within a month or two after that, their symptoms start to come back if they haven’t changed anything else.
Tom McCarthy
Right? The physical changes, but you still think the same way, you still eat the same way, it’ll tend to return. It’s just like people that have a surgery on a cancer, the tumor’s gone, 100% gone, test, it’s gone. But the same environment that created it is still there, it’ll tend to come back.
Rob Wergin
Right. And to me, when that happens, it’s a tap on your shoulder that says, hey Tom, are you serious about wanting to be well or not?
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
Why are you still drinking diet Coke, and eating Kentucky fried chicken, and.
Tom McCarthy
Exactly.
Rob Wergin
No offense, you guys. But I mean, it’s the challenge is, more about what the person does in between sessions than what happens at the session. Because I’m like stop telling your story. My oncologist, my chemo, my radiation, my this, my that, my alcoholism, my drug addiction, my pain, my suffering, my lack. I mean, we do that all the time. And remember, you get unlimited wishes.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
Unlimited. So again, Tom, I like to make this kind of fun so people can kind of giggle when they’re doing it. But I say to people, imagine that God is the magical, mystical wizard from “The Wizard of Oz.” It’s this cool dude, dudette, you know, whatever behind the curtain that has all these dials and buttons, and gauges. And every thought you have, everything you say is heard by God. And because God loves you unconditionally.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. Not judging you.
Rob Wergin
No judgment. Wish granted.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. So when you say my bad knees, like, okay.
Rob Wergin
Got it. Got it. Congratulations. So I say to people, watch what the first thing you think about when you wake up in the morning, is like, oh God, my back hurts. Or you know, whatever it is. But everything you say, everything you think, I say to people, give it five seconds, the five second rule, and know that in five seconds, the magical mystical wizard is gonna push the button, and it’s gonna be true.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
Be very clear about what you’re talking about. And then people get a lot of pushback. Well, I don’t, my friends ask me how I’m feeling, and I have to tell ’em how bad I feel. I’m like, no, you don’t. You can tell ’em how great your experience of healing is, and how grateful you are, you’re being healed. And if they say, but yeah, but how are you healing? I’m grateful that I’m healing.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah.
Rob Wergin
It’s a challenge, but it makes a huge difference.
Tom McCarthy
I love that. I love that. So Rob, your work is amazing. I’ve seen videos of it where people really, and even in the movie “Heal,” is just kind of why I wanted to have you on here is just such a visceral experience watching you work with people. Very, very powerful. How can people access your work if they want to receive sessions from you? And I think you do group sessions now, which are easy to access you, how can they find you? How can they work with you?
Rob Wergin
So what I invite people to do is go to my website, which is just robwergin.com.
Tom McCarthy
So R-O-B-W-E-R-G-I-N dot com. Yep.
Rob Wergin
And just, you know, cruise around through it. Read some testimonials, watch some videos, just get a feel for it. And your soul will drag you in if it’s time. One of the things that I’ve made it very clear in my career is I am not a high priced Hollywood exclusive kind of healer. So if you went on my website right now, I work three weeks a month, and we’re just starting the first week of the month tomorrow. So tomorrow I have, and they’re all sold out, these are, but I have small Zoom groups where we have 24, 25 people on a Zoom. And even though they’re on the Zoom, they’re getting worked on as if they were in a group, and standing in front of me. And those are very powerful. So I have small groups like that. Tomorrow night, I have what I call a global transformational call, where for $27, you can get on a Zoom with four or 500 other people, and receive amazing healing. Or you can on Wednesday night, I do these channeled calls, where I channel one of the masters that I work with. And it’s a healing call. You receive healing. This coming weekend, which I think is the best way to jump in if you wanna jump in, is I’m doing what is called, I call a healing immersion. So we do Zoom on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and then on Monday a week later. So 11 hours of being deeply into the healing energy that we bring, and it’s $99.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah. And there’s no limit to, you know, healing energy can work in groups, and it’s unlimited energy. So being in a group, they’re gonna get incredible benefit regardless of the amount of people. Correct?
Rob Wergin
Right. And you know, and you can go back to the Bible, like when three or more are gathered, miracles occur. Well, I can imagine 500 or more are gathered. Energy is really potent. And it works. I mean, when this pandemic started, and we started doing Zoom, even me, I was like, I don’t know. But what I’ve noticed is the work’s actually more powerful on Zoom, because you get to stay in the privacy of your own home. And you don’t have anybody sitting next to you, or laying next to you, that’s crying, or screaming, or snoring. You’re in your own sacred space, and you can do whatever you want. And nobody’s gonna care, ’cause they can’t see you or hear you. So Zoom has been a gift, plus we have people from almost every country in the world right now, jumping on these Zooms. So it’s become a global community of people seeking healing, which is just amazing.
Tom McCarthy
I love it. It was so great, Rob, thank you so much for being on with us. This has really been amazing. And I wish I had more time to, and we may maybe, maybe our next summit will bring you back again, but thank you so much for being part of this. Any final words you have for everybody that’s listening to you?
Rob Wergin
Just know, and trust and believe that you’re always protected. You’re always being surrounded by these beautiful beings, and your job is simply to ask. Help me now, thank you. I mean, it’s that simple. You could be in line for a COVID test, and you could say, please help me now, thank you. Or you know, it doesn’t matter what it is, use it, and then get out of the way, and let the help come. Don’t look for the help. Let the help find you. And just you’ll feel it in some way. Something will happen. And the more you do that, the more you get, the more you ask, the more tuned in they are to you. And the more tuned in they are to you, the more powerful the healing. So I talk to my beings all the time. And because we have this connection, because we understand each other’s frequency. You know, when you first start this, you kind of have to find your way together, and then you get the frequency, and then you’re hooked up, but don’t give up. Be patient. And just try not to look for what you think is supposed to happen. Just let whatever happens. Be grateful for that.
Tom McCarthy
Yeah, no, that’s important too. We all think it’s gotta be like this, this, this, and you miss the beauty of just letting it happen. So ask for help. And then the other important part is thank you. Like know that it’s on the way, and thank, or know that it’s there, and just give thanks, that gratitude actually kind of locks it in, and makes it flow even quicker and easier. So so beautiful. Thank you so much, Rob. You’ve helped a ton of people already, and now you’ve helped a bunch more. So thank you so much for being with us.
Rob Wergin
Thanks, my friend.
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