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And um you know, after this live event we're 1:07 you know, after this live event we're 1:07 you know, after this live event we're going to be having a live interactive 1:09 going to be having a live interactive 1:09 going to be having a live interactive event on Zoom where you'll be able to 1:10 event on Zoom where you'll be able to 1:10 event on Zoom where you'll be able to ask our guests who will be sharing their 1:12 ask our guests who will be sharing their 1:12 ask our guests who will be sharing their stories, you'll be able to ask them 1:14 stories, you'll be able to ask them 1:14 stories, you'll be able to ask them questions directly as well. So I'm kind 1:16 questions directly as well. So I'm kind 1:16 questions directly as well. So I'm kind of 1:16 of 1:16 of just facilitating this. It's not about 1:18 just facilitating this. It's not about 1:18 just facilitating this. It's not about me, it's about the people here and their 1:20 me, it's about the people here and their 1:20 me, it's about the people here and their incredible story. So I'm really excited 1:23 incredible story. So I'm really excited 1:23 incredible story. So I'm really excited to introduce 1:24 to introduce 1:24 to introduce Nathan. Nathan, how are you? Thank you 1:26 Nathan. Nathan, how are you? Thank you 1:26 Nathan. Nathan, how are you? Thank you for joining us. 1:28 for joining us. 1:28 for joining us. >> Hi, I'm doing well. Thank you. 1:31 >> Hi, I'm doing well. Thank you. 1:31 >> Hi, I'm doing well. Thank you. >> Good. Well, I I know I've heard about 1:33 >> Good. Well, I I know I've heard about 1:33 >> Good. Well, I I know I've heard about your story and 1:34 your story and 1:34 your story and how you suffered from very intense 1:37 how you suffered from very intense 1:37 how you suffered from very intense chronic fatigue syndrome and uh 1:39 chronic fatigue syndrome and uh 1:39 chronic fatigue syndrome and uh and ME and then Lyme disease as well and 1:42 and ME and then Lyme disease as well and 1:42 and ME and then Lyme disease as well and the the transformation. So I'm sure 1:43 the the transformation. So I'm sure 1:43 the the transformation. So I'm sure people In a In a nutshell, how would you 1:46 people In a In a nutshell, how would you 1:46 people In a In a nutshell, how would you describe that transformation you've been 1:47 describe that transformation you've been 1:48 describe that transformation you've been through from being at your worst to what 1:50 through from being at your worst to what 1:50 through from being at your worst to what you're able to do now? 1:52 you're able to do now? 1:52 you're able to do now? >> For sure. 1:53 >> For sure. 1:53 >> For sure. You know, at my worst I had to 1:56 You know, at my worst I had to 1:56 You know, at my worst I had to uh, 1:57 uh, 1:57 uh, my house and live in a care facility um, 2:01 my house and live in a care facility um, 2:01 my house and live in a care facility um, that was really set up for caring for 2:03 that was really set up for caring for 2:03 that was really set up for caring for people at the end of their life and for 2:05 people at the end of their life and for 2:05 people at the end of their life and for people with late stage dementia. 2:07 people with late stage dementia. 2:07 people with late stage dementia. I was being spoon-fed. I was so weak I 2:10 I was being spoon-fed. I was so weak I 2:10 I was being spoon-fed. I was so weak I couldn't get out of bed for like 2:12 couldn't get out of bed for like 2:12 couldn't get out of bed for like literally could not physically get out 2:14 literally could not physically get out 2:14 literally could not physically get out of bed um, 2:16 of bed um, 2:16 of bed um, for probably 8 9 months. 2:19 for probably 8 9 months. 2:19 for probably 8 9 months. Um, and I've been able to come back from 2:23 Um, and I've been able to come back from 2:23 Um, and I've been able to come back from not being able to feed myself more than 2:25 not being able to feed myself more than 2:25 not being able to feed myself more than a couple of spoonfuls of food at a time 2:28 a couple of spoonfuls of food at a time 2:28 a couple of spoonfuls of food at a time um, to living 2:30 um, to living 2:30 um, to living you know, such a having my life back. 2:33 you know, such a having my life back. 2:33 you know, such a having my life back. Uh, being able to go camping with my son 2:37 Uh, being able to go camping with my son 2:37 Uh, being able to go camping with my son um, I'm looking to return to work um 2:40 um, I'm looking to return to work um 2:40 um, I'm looking to return to work um on a part-time basis. I, you know, I'm 2:43 on a part-time basis. I, you know, I'm 2:43 on a part-time basis. I, you know, I'm I'm no longer wheelchair bound. I in 2:45 I'm no longer wheelchair bound. I in 2:45 I'm no longer wheelchair bound. I in fact, you know, I'm hiking mountains and 2:48 fact, you know, I'm hiking mountains and 2:48 fact, you know, I'm hiking mountains and sailing again and 2:51 sailing again and 2:51 sailing again and um you know, cooking my own food and and 2:54 um you know, cooking my own food and and 2:54 um you know, cooking my own food and and uh, able to be there for my family. Um 2:58 uh, able to be there for my family. Um 2:58 uh, able to be there for my family. Um >> [clears throat] 2:58 >> [clears throat] 2:58 >> [clears throat] >> Wow, I mean that's an incredible 3:00 >> Wow, I mean that's an incredible 3:00 >> Wow, I mean that's an incredible incredible transformation and that's the 3:02 incredible transformation and that's the 3:03 incredible transformation and that's the the inspiration. It's your kinds of 3:04 the inspiration. It's your kinds of 3:04 the inspiration. It's your kinds of stories where people are literally 3:06 stories where people are literally 3:07 stories where people are literally bedridden, wheelchair bound to being 3:08 bedridden, wheelchair bound to being 3:08 bedridden, wheelchair bound to being able to live a normal life. I mean 3:10 able to live a normal life. I mean 3:10 able to live a normal life. I mean that's just an incredible transformation 3:12 that's just an incredible transformation 3:12 that's just an incredible transformation just through Well, obviously we'll talk 3:14 just through Well, obviously we'll talk 3:14 just through Well, obviously we'll talk about what you did. Um, and uh, what 3:16 about what you did. Um, and uh, what 3:16 about what you did. Um, and uh, what were you know, when your symptoms were 3:17 were you know, when your symptoms were 3:17 were you know, when your symptoms were at your worst like what were some of the 3:18 at your worst like what were some of the 3:18 at your worst like what were some of the worst symptoms that you experienced? 3:21 worst symptoms that you experienced? 3:21 worst symptoms that you experienced? >> Uh 3:23 >> Uh 3:23 >> Uh debilitating fatigue obviously just you 3:25 debilitating fatigue obviously just you 3:25 debilitating fatigue obviously just you know, physically couldn't you know, 3:27 know, physically couldn't you know, 3:27 know, physically couldn't you know, couldn't move 3:28 couldn't move 3:29 couldn't move and I mean even at one instance when I 3:31 and I mean even at one instance when I 3:31 and I mean even at one instance when I was being moved from one bed to another 3:34 was being moved from one bed to another 3:34 was being moved from one bed to another uh, just my body being physically moved 3:38 uh, just my body being physically moved 3:38 uh, just my body being physically moved set off days of post-exertional malaise. 3:42 set off days of post-exertional malaise. 3:42 set off days of post-exertional malaise. Um, so nausea, dizziness. At at my worst 3:46 Um, so nausea, dizziness. At at my worst 3:46 Um, so nausea, dizziness. At at my worst I was so light sensitive I had to wear a 3:48 I was so light sensitive I had to wear a 3:48 I was so light sensitive I had to wear a blindfold 3:49 blindfold 3:50 blindfold when someone came in to feed me. 3:52 when someone came in to feed me. 3:52 when someone came in to feed me. Um so I had to completely block out my 3:55 Um so I had to completely block out my 3:55 Um so I had to completely block out my eyes. I couldn't handle any lights or 3:59 eyes. I couldn't handle any lights or 3:59 eyes. I couldn't handle any lights or sounds. Um I had extreme vertigo and 4:02 sounds. Um I had extreme vertigo and 4:02 sounds. Um I had extreme vertigo and dizziness. 4:03 dizziness. 4:03 dizziness. Um 4:05 Um 4:05 Um yeah, the those are probably the most 4:08 yeah, the those are probably the most 4:08 yeah, the those are probably the most poignant symptoms. Yeah. 4:10 poignant symptoms. Yeah. 4:10 poignant symptoms. Yeah. >> Yeah, no that's incredible. And what did 4:13 >> Yeah, no that's incredible. And what did 4:13 >> Yeah, no that's incredible. And what did you what had you tried before? Cuz 4:14 you what had you tried before? Cuz 4:14 you what had you tried before? Cuz obviously many people try different 4:16 obviously many people try different 4:16 obviously many people try different things. Like what kind of interventions, 4:18 things. Like what kind of interventions, 4:18 things. Like what kind of interventions, treatments have you tried that obviously 4:20 treatments have you tried that obviously 4:20 treatments have you tried that obviously weren't getting you the healing you 4:21 weren't getting you the healing you 4:21 weren't getting you the healing you needed? 4:22 needed? 4:22 needed? >> Yeah, certainly. I mean at the 4:23 >> Yeah, certainly. I mean at the 4:23 >> Yeah, certainly. I mean at the beginning, um what kicked it off was a 4:26 beginning, um what kicked it off was a 4:26 beginning, um what kicked it off was a Lyme disease infection. So initially I I 4:29 Lyme disease infection. So initially I I 4:29 Lyme disease infection. So initially I I did an antibiotic course for the Lyme 4:31 did an antibiotic course for the Lyme 4:31 did an antibiotic course for the Lyme disease, 4:32 disease, 4:32 disease, um which really did turn around a lot of 4:35 um which really did turn around a lot of 4:35 um which really did turn around a lot of those earlier symptoms which were kind 4:36 those earlier symptoms which were kind 4:36 those earlier symptoms which were kind of like a permanent migraine, dizziness, 4:38 of like a permanent migraine, dizziness, 4:38 of like a permanent migraine, dizziness, light sensitivity, 4:40 light sensitivity, 4:40 light sensitivity, um and fatigue. And those did improve 4:42 um and fatigue. And those did improve 4:42 um and fatigue. And those did improve with the antibiotic treatment, but it 4:44 with the antibiotic treatment, but it 4:44 with the antibiotic treatment, but it was obviously only part of the problem. 4:47 was obviously only part of the problem. 4:47 was obviously only part of the problem. And the CFS was really what set in and 4:49 And the CFS was really what set in and 4:49 And the CFS was really what set in and that's that what, you know, took my life 4:52 that's that what, you know, took my life 4:52 that's that what, you know, took my life away and and made me so debilitated. 4:54 away and and made me so debilitated. 4:54 away and and made me so debilitated. So I mean I tried treatments, um 4:57 So I mean I tried treatments, um 4:57 So I mean I tried treatments, um antibiotics I tried 5:00 antibiotics I tried 5:00 antibiotics I tried uh all sorts of naturopathic 5:02 uh all sorts of naturopathic 5:02 uh all sorts of naturopathic supplements, all of these sorts of 5:03 supplements, all of these sorts of 5:03 supplements, all of these sorts of things. Um 5:06 things. Um 5:06 things. Um counseling, uh 5:09 counseling, uh 5:09 counseling, uh yeah. The I mean it was a very long list 5:11 yeah. The I mean it was a very long list 5:11 yeah. The I mean it was a very long list of things that I tried, so many 5:13 of things that I tried, so many 5:13 of things that I tried, so many different medications. 5:20 >> Right, so 5:20 >> Right, so a kind of whole suite of different 5:21 a kind of whole suite of different 5:21 a kind of whole suite of different interventions that you actually uh that 5:24 interventions that you actually uh that 5:24 interventions that you actually uh that you actually tried. And then I think 5:26 you actually tried. And then I think 5:26 you actually tried. And then I think so what what shifted for you? Like what 5:28 so what what shifted for you? Like what 5:28 so what what shifted for you? Like what was the the moment or or realization 5:31 was the the moment or or realization 5:31 was the the moment or or realization that really changed things for you? 5:33 that really changed things for you? 5:34 that really changed things for you? >> Yeah, I mean to be honest, your program 5:36 >> Yeah, I mean to be honest, your program 5:36 >> Yeah, I mean to be honest, your program was recommended to me by my doctor. I 5:38 was recommended to me by my doctor. I 5:38 was recommended to me by my doctor. I finally got in to see the preeminent 5:40 finally got in to see the preeminent 5:40 finally got in to see the preeminent chronic fatigue specialist, a GP, not a 5:42 chronic fatigue specialist, a GP, not a 5:42 chronic fatigue specialist, a GP, not a GP, a 5:44 GP, a 5:44 GP, a internal medicine doctor. Um and when he 5:48 internal medicine doctor. Um and when he 5:48 internal medicine doctor. Um and when he spoke about he said, "The only thing 5:50 spoke about he said, "The only thing 5:50 spoke about he said, "The only thing that I've seen people give give people 5:53 that I've seen people give give people 5:53 that I've seen people give give people remission from chronic fatigue is the 5:55 remission from chronic fatigue is the 5:55 remission from chronic fatigue is the Gupta Program." 5:57 Gupta Program." 5:57 Gupta Program." And and it just blew my mind. I said, 6:00 And and it just blew my mind. I said, 6:00 And and it just blew my mind. I said, "Remission? I've been told for 8 years 6:03 "Remission? I've been told for 8 years 6:03 "Remission? I've been told for 8 years that this is a permanent condition. 6:05 that this is a permanent condition. 6:05 that this is a permanent condition. There is no recovery. The best you can 6:06 There is no recovery. The best you can 6:06 There is no recovery. The best you can hope for is if you don't push yourself 6:09 hope for is if you don't push yourself 6:09 hope for is if you don't push yourself and you don't crash that you might be 6:11 and you don't crash that you might be 6:11 and you don't crash that you might be able to maintain 6:13 able to maintain 6:13 able to maintain what your physical, you know, level of 6:15 what your physical, you know, level of 6:15 what your physical, you know, level of activity is at the time." And for me 6:17 activity is at the time." And for me 6:17 activity is at the time." And for me over those 6 years, it had been 6:18 over those 6 years, it had been 6:18 over those 6 years, it had been constantly decreasing from 6:21 constantly decreasing from 6:21 constantly decreasing from you know, being able to walk and and and 6:22 you know, being able to walk and and and 6:22 you know, being able to walk and and and maybe jog for 10 minutes to then not 6:24 maybe jog for 10 minutes to then not 6:24 maybe jog for 10 minutes to then not being able to walk to then being 6:25 being able to walk to then being 6:25 being able to walk to then being housebound, wheelchair bound, and and 6:27 housebound, wheelchair bound, and and 6:27 housebound, wheelchair bound, and and bed bound, right? Um, so it had been 6 6:30 bed bound, right? Um, so it had been 6 6:30 bed bound, right? Um, so it had been 6 years of of being told 6:34 years of of being told 6:34 years of of being told "It's permanent. It'll It'll only get 6:36 "It's permanent. It'll It'll only get 6:36 "It's permanent. It'll It'll only get worse. There is no such thing as getting 6:38 worse. There is no such thing as getting 6:38 worse. There is no such thing as getting better." 6:39 better." 6:39 better." Um, and yeah, and just living in this 6:42 Um, and yeah, and just living in this 6:42 Um, and yeah, and just living in this this world of fear. This was a real 6:44 this world of fear. This was a real 6:44 this world of fear. This was a real interesting thing once I started doing 6:47 interesting thing once I started doing 6:47 interesting thing once I started doing the Gupta Program was that the the 6:50 the Gupta Program was that the the 6:50 the Gupta Program was that the the medical profession 6:52 medical profession 6:52 medical profession um, you know, in the best of their 6:54 um, you know, in the best of their 6:54 um, you know, in the best of their knowledge and from the best of their 6:55 knowledge and from the best of their 6:55 knowledge and from the best of their experience, I guess, and and what they 6:58 experience, I guess, and and what they 6:58 experience, I guess, and and what they have, um, you know, had been telling me 7:00 have, um, you know, had been telling me 7:00 have, um, you know, had been telling me a message of fear. If you ever over cra- 7:04 a message of fear. If you ever over cra- 7:04 a message of fear. If you ever over cra- if you ever crash, if you overextend 7:05 if you ever crash, if you overextend 7:05 if you ever crash, if you overextend yourself, if you experience these 7:07 yourself, if you experience these 7:07 yourself, if you experience these symptoms, 7:08 symptoms, 7:08 symptoms, then that's an indication that you've 7:10 then that's an indication that you've 7:10 then that's an indication that you've done too much and that you're going to 7:11 done too much and that you're going to 7:11 done too much and that you're going to get worse and worse and you're going to 7:12 get worse and worse and you're going to 7:12 get worse and worse and you're going to crash and never fully recover and so 7:14 crash and never fully recover and so 7:14 crash and never fully recover and so forth. So, it was a fear message. And it 7:17 forth. So, it was a fear message. And it 7:17 forth. So, it was a fear message. And it was only after 7:19 was only after 7:19 was only after sort of going through the first few 7:21 sort of going through the first few 7:21 sort of going through the first few videos of your program and really 7:23 videos of your program and really 7:23 videos of your program and really meditating and doing all of that sort of 7:25 meditating and doing all of that sort of 7:25 meditating and doing all of that sort of meditation uh, nervous system you know, 7:30 meditation uh, nervous system you know, 7:30 meditation uh, nervous system you know, down regulation work 7:32 down regulation work 7:32 down regulation work that it twigged on me, "Oh, I've 7:34 that it twigged on me, "Oh, I've 7:34 that it twigged on me, "Oh, I've actually been living in a fear state for 7:36 actually been living in a fear state for 7:36 actually been living in a fear state for 8 years. My body has thought every time 7:39 8 years. My body has thought every time 7:39 8 years. My body has thought every time I experience a little bit of vertigo or 7:41 I experience a little bit of vertigo or 7:41 I experience a little bit of vertigo or light sensitivity, 7:42 light sensitivity, 7:42 light sensitivity, uh that this is you know, this whole 7:44 uh that this is you know, this whole 7:44 uh that this is you know, this whole precipitous fear message that I've been 7:47 precipitous fear message that I've been 7:47 precipitous fear message that I've been told and had been reinforced by medical 7:49 told and had been reinforced by medical 7:49 told and had been reinforced by medical doctors, right? 7:50 doctors, right? 7:50 doctors, right? Uh so, that was a really pivotable trip, 7:52 Uh so, that was a really pivotable trip, 7:52 Uh so, that was a really pivotable trip, sorry, pivotal turning point for me was 7:54 sorry, pivotal turning point for me was 7:54 sorry, pivotal turning point for me was realizing, "Oh, this message that I'd 7:56 realizing, "Oh, this message that I'd 7:57 realizing, "Oh, this message that I'd accepted for 7:58 accepted for 7:58 accepted for about chronic fatigue for 8 years uh was 8:02 about chronic fatigue for 8 years uh was 8:02 about chronic fatigue for 8 years uh was uh was false and was also perpetuating 8:04 uh was false and was also perpetuating 8:05 uh was false and was also perpetuating the fear state that my body was living 8:06 the fear state that my body was living 8:06 the fear state that my body was living in. 8:07 in. 8:07 in. Um 8:08 Um 8:08 Um which is ultimately what perpetuates 8:11 which is ultimately what perpetuates 8:11 which is ultimately what perpetuates chronic fatigue is your your system 8:14 chronic fatigue is your your system 8:14 chronic fatigue is your your system being in fear about, for my case, even 8:16 being in fear about, for my case, even 8:16 being in fear about, for my case, even just moving was activating a fear 8:18 just moving was activating a fear 8:18 just moving was activating a fear response from my nervous system. 8:21 response from my nervous system. 8:21 response from my nervous system. >> Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it? 8:22 >> Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it? 8:22 >> Yeah, it's really interesting, isn't it? Because we think of fear 8:24 Because we think of fear 8:24 Because we think of fear uh or trauma or PTSD as something that's 8:28 uh or trauma or PTSD as something that's 8:28 uh or trauma or PTSD as something that's related to the outer world and outer 8:30 related to the outer world and outer 8:30 related to the outer world and outer situations and people. 8:32 situations and people. 8:32 situations and people. But what's interesting here is that 8:33 But what's interesting here is that 8:33 But what's interesting here is that you're recognizing or you recognized the 8:36 you're recognizing or you recognized the 8:36 you're recognizing or you recognized the shifting 8:37 shifting 8:37 shifting moment was, "I don't feel safe in my own 8:39 moment was, "I don't feel safe in my own 8:39 moment was, "I don't feel safe in my own body itself from my own symptoms and my 8:41 body itself from my own symptoms and my 8:41 body itself from my own symptoms and my own sensations." And I think 8:43 own sensations." And I think 8:43 own sensations." And I think for a lot of people who who use brain 8:44 for a lot of people who who use brain 8:45 for a lot of people who who use brain retraining and neuroplasticity, that is 8:46 retraining and neuroplasticity, that is 8:46 retraining and neuroplasticity, that is really a kind of pivotal 8:48 really a kind of pivotal 8:48 really a kind of pivotal aha moment that obviously you 8:50 aha moment that obviously you 8:50 aha moment that obviously you experienced. Um 8:51 experienced. Um 8:51 experienced. Um >> Yeah. And hope, you know, finding a 8:54 >> Yeah. And hope, you know, finding a 8:54 >> Yeah. And hope, you know, finding a program that could tell you you can 8:57 program that could tell you you can 8:57 program that could tell you you can recover, you can put this into remission 8:59 recover, you can put this into remission 8:59 recover, you can put this into remission or partial remission. Um 9:01 or partial remission. Um 9:01 or partial remission. Um you know, it was the first time I had 9:03 you know, it was the first time I had 9:03 you know, it was the first time I had hope in 8 years. And that is really, 9:05 hope in 8 years. And that is really, 9:05 hope in 8 years. And that is really, really 9:06 really 9:06 really so important. 9:08 so important. 9:08 so important. >> Yeah, I know, it's it's incredible, 9:10 >> Yeah, I know, it's it's incredible, 9:10 >> Yeah, I know, it's it's incredible, Nathan. 9:11 Nathan. 9:11 Nathan. And as you say, it's it's you know, 9:13 And as you say, it's it's you know, 9:13 And as you say, it's it's you know, bringing you back to your family as 9:15 bringing you back to your family as 9:15 bringing you back to your family as well, because that's often something 9:16 well, because that's often something 9:16 well, because that's often something that we have when we have the condition 9:17 that we have when we have the condition 9:17 that we have when we have the condition like this 9:19 like this 9:19 like this is that it can feel like we are 9:22 is that it can feel like we are 9:22 is that it can feel like we are kind of distancing ourselves from normal 9:24 kind of distancing ourselves from normal 9:24 kind of distancing ourselves from normal life, from people around us because of 9:26 life, from people around us because of 9:26 life, from people around us because of what's we're experiencing. And to be 9:28 what's we're experiencing. And to be 9:28 what's we're experiencing. And to be able to kind of get back into that, I 9:30 able to kind of get back into that, I 9:30 able to kind of get back into that, I think is so important. What what do you 9:32 think is so important. What what do you 9:32 think is so important. What what do you think made the biggest difference? 9:34 think made the biggest difference? 9:34 think made the biggest difference? Obviously, you you used the Gupta 9:35 Obviously, you you used the Gupta 9:35 Obviously, you you used the Gupta program to to heal and recover. What do 9:37 program to to heal and recover. What do 9:37 program to to heal and recover. What do you think in that program 9:39 you think in that program 9:39 you think in that program really kind of shifted the needle, like 9:41 really kind of shifted the needle, like 9:41 really kind of shifted the needle, like really got you to your health, and and 9:43 really got you to your health, and and 9:43 really got you to your health, and and how do you feel now? Like what are you 9:45 how do you feel now? Like what are you 9:45 how do you feel now? Like what are you able to do now? 9:48 able to do now? 9:48 able to do now? >> Um 9:50 >> Um 9:50 >> Um Oh, I mean it's so hard to say because I 9:53 Oh, I mean it's so hard to say because I 9:53 Oh, I mean it's so hard to say because I really feel like 9:54 really feel like 9:54 really feel like you know, the program works as a whole. 9:57 you know, the program works as a whole. 9:57 you know, the program works as a whole. Um 9:58 Um 9:58 Um and so it's hard to say that one thing 10:00 and so it's hard to say that one thing 10:00 and so it's hard to say that one thing was fundamental more than another. 10:01 was fundamental more than another. 10:01 was fundamental more than another. >> [snorts] 10:02 >> [snorts] 10:02 >> [snorts] >> Um but for me, I would say the real 10:04 >> Um but for me, I would say the real 10:04 >> Um but for me, I would say the real turning point was 10:05 turning point was 10:06 turning point was uh you know, I moved very slowly 10:07 uh you know, I moved very slowly 10:07 uh you know, I moved very slowly initially. I only did 5 minutes of video 10:10 initially. I only did 5 minutes of video 10:10 initially. I only did 5 minutes of video every couple of days. That was all that 10:11 every couple of days. That was all that 10:11 every couple of days. That was all that my cognitive stamina could tolerate at 10:13 my cognitive stamina could tolerate at 10:13 my cognitive stamina could tolerate at the time. But I did those meditations, 10:15 the time. But I did those meditations, 10:15 the time. But I did those meditations, even just 5 minutes or the breath work 10:17 even just 5 minutes or the breath work 10:17 even just 5 minutes or the breath work for 5 minutes. 10:19 for 5 minutes. 10:19 for 5 minutes. Um you know, that was really pivotal to 10:21 Um you know, that was really pivotal to 10:21 Um you know, that was really pivotal to finally feel after a first couple of 10:23 finally feel after a first couple of 10:23 finally feel after a first couple of months. I'd only gotten up to the third 10:25 months. I'd only gotten up to the third 10:25 months. I'd only gotten up to the third video series. 10:27 video series. 10:27 video series. Um 10:28 Um 10:28 Um to finally feel calmness in my body 10:31 to finally feel calmness in my body 10:31 to finally feel calmness in my body again. 10:32 again. 10:32 again. Um so that I think was a very important 10:34 Um so that I think was a very important 10:34 Um so that I think was a very important turning the point because it also made 10:36 turning the point because it also made 10:36 turning the point because it also made me realize, oh, my body has been living 10:38 me realize, oh, my body has been living 10:38 me realize, oh, my body has been living in fear for 8 years. And I could finally 10:41 in fear for 8 years. And I could finally 10:41 in fear for 8 years. And I could finally feel that. I always thought I'm relaxed. 10:42 feel that. I always thought I'm relaxed. 10:43 feel that. I always thought I'm relaxed. I mean, here I am. I've been bedridden. 10:44 I mean, here I am. I've been bedridden. 10:44 I mean, here I am. I've been bedridden. How much more relaxed could I get? I've 10:46 How much more relaxed could I get? I've 10:46 How much more relaxed could I get? I've been sleeping for 14 hours, 18 hours a 10:49 been sleeping for 14 hours, 18 hours a 10:49 been sleeping for 14 hours, 18 hours a day, like um and then I would really say 10:52 day, like um and then I would really say 10:52 day, like um and then I would really say that the visualization work 10:55 that the visualization work 10:55 that the visualization work um 10:56 um 10:56 um in the the five-step reprogramming, uh 11:00 in the the five-step reprogramming, uh 11:00 in the the five-step reprogramming, uh retraining rather, the 11:02 retraining rather, the 11:02 retraining rather, the that the visualization 11:04 that the visualization 11:04 that the visualization um imagining and remembering what it 11:07 um imagining and remembering what it 11:07 um imagining and remembering what it felt like, 11:08 felt like, 11:08 felt like, you know, viscerally and and the smells 11:11 you know, viscerally and and the smells 11:11 you know, viscerally and and the smells and and just this creating a whole So I 11:13 and and just this creating a whole So I 11:13 and and just this creating a whole So I spent a lot of time just really 11:14 spent a lot of time just really 11:14 spent a lot of time just really recreating five or six really concrete 11:17 recreating five or six really concrete 11:17 recreating five or six really concrete visualizations, 11:19 visualizations, 11:19 visualizations, um you know, embellishing these memories 11:21 um you know, embellishing these memories 11:21 um you know, embellishing these memories I had of what it felt to feel virulent 11:23 I had of what it felt to feel virulent 11:23 I had of what it felt to feel virulent and strong. And one of those is is 11:26 and strong. And one of those is is 11:26 and strong. And one of those is is hiking. And so, you know, just 6 months 11:29 hiking. And so, you know, just 6 months 11:29 hiking. And so, you know, just 6 months ago with my girlfriends, we hiked a 11:31 ago with my girlfriends, we hiked a 11:31 ago with my girlfriends, we hiked a mountain. 11:32 mountain. 11:32 mountain. You know? so that's an example of how 11:34 You know? so that's an example of how 11:34 You know? so that's an example of how far I've come. I mean, I couldn't I 11:36 far I've come. I mean, I couldn't I 11:36 far I've come. I mean, I couldn't I couldn't stand up for the better part of 11:39 couldn't stand up for the better part of 11:39 couldn't stand up for the better part of a year, right? So, to come all the way 11:41 a year, right? So, to come all the way 11:41 a year, right? So, to come all the way back to being able to go for a 3-4 hour 11:43 back to being able to go for a 3-4 hour 11:43 back to being able to go for a 3-4 hour hike to the top of Mount Seymour to this 11:46 hike to the top of Mount Seymour to this 11:46 hike to the top of Mount Seymour to this vista, um you know, meant so much and um 11:51 vista, um you know, meant so much and um 11:51 vista, um you know, meant so much and um you know, and this weekend I'm going to 11:52 you know, and this weekend I'm going to 11:52 you know, and this weekend I'm going to be going away with my son, so I'm back 11:54 be going away with my son, so I'm back 11:54 be going away with my son, so I'm back to being able to be a parent again. 11:56 to being able to be a parent again. 11:56 to being able to be a parent again. Um you know, bless his heart, he did so 11:58 Um you know, bless his heart, he did so 11:58 Um you know, bless his heart, he did so well with me living in a care facility 12:00 well with me living in a care facility 12:00 well with me living in a care facility with octogenarians, um 12:03 with octogenarians, um 12:03 with octogenarians, um but you know, to be able to pick him up 12:05 but you know, to be able to pick him up 12:05 but you know, to be able to pick him up from school, to be able to put him to 12:06 from school, to be able to put him to 12:06 from school, to be able to put him to bed, to be able to lift him 12:08 bed, to be able to lift him 12:08 bed, to be able to lift him and throw him in the air and give him a 12:10 and throw him in the air and give him a 12:10 and throw him in the air and give him a hug when he's crying. Um 12:12 hug when he's crying. Um 12:12 hug when he's crying. Um it that is so so sweet, you know, you 12:15 it that is so so sweet, you know, you 12:15 it that is so so sweet, you know, you can't put a price on being able to hold 12:17 can't put a price on being able to hold 12:17 can't put a price on being able to hold your child again. 12:19 your child again. 12:19 your child again. >> No, that's 12:20 >> No, that's 12:20 >> No, that's so moving, so moving as you say that, uh 12:23 so moving, so moving as you say that, uh 12:23 so moving, so moving as you say that, uh Nathan. 12:24 Nathan. 12:25 Nathan. You know, your story is so inspiring and 12:27 You know, your story is so inspiring and 12:27 You know, your story is so inspiring and well done to you for having the 12:28 well done to you for having the 12:28 well done to you for having the perseverance because I can imagine if 12:30 perseverance because I can imagine if 12:30 perseverance because I can imagine if you're you're bedridden and you have a 12:32 you're you're bedridden and you have a 12:32 you're you're bedridden and you have a program, 12:33 program, 12:33 program, it can be difficult to start saying, 12:35 it can be difficult to start saying, 12:35 it can be difficult to start saying, "Right, I need to have the energy to 12:36 "Right, I need to have the energy to 12:36 "Right, I need to have the energy to engage with a program." But you stuck 12:38 engage with a program." But you stuck 12:38 engage with a program." But you stuck with it. You just titrated a few minutes 12:40 with it. You just titrated a few minutes 12:40 with it. You just titrated a few minutes a day, a few minutes a day and you were 12:41 a day, a few minutes a day and you were 12:41 a day, a few minutes a day and you were able to 12:42 able to 12:43 able to Yeah. That recovery. So, you know, I I 12:44 Yeah. That recovery. So, you know, I I 12:44 Yeah. That recovery. So, you know, I I honor you for that persistence and that 12:46 honor you for that persistence and that 12:46 honor you for that persistence and that commitment to it. So, lovely to hear 12:49 commitment to it. So, lovely to hear 12:49 commitment to it. So, lovely to hear your story, Nathan, and anything you 12:51 your story, Nathan, and anything you 12:51 your story, Nathan, and anything you finally you'd like to say to others like 12:53 finally you'd like to say to others like 12:53 finally you'd like to say to others like in terms of 12:54 in terms of 12:54 in terms of if people are feeling stuck with their 12:56 if people are feeling stuck with their 12:56 if people are feeling stuck with their condition, people who need inspiration, 12:59 condition, people who need inspiration, 12:59 condition, people who need inspiration, like what would you have done 13:00 like what would you have done 13:00 like what would you have done differently? Like anything you'd like to 13:01 differently? Like anything you'd like to 13:01 differently? Like anything you'd like to say to people who are maybe in a similar 13:03 say to people who are maybe in a similar 13:03 say to people who are maybe in a similar position to where you were? 13:06 position to where you were? 13:06 position to where you were? >> Um I would say, 13:08 >> Um I would say, 13:08 >> Um I would say, you know, just to to start and to work 13:11 you know, just to to start and to work 13:11 you know, just to to start and to work at your own pace. 13:13 at your own pace. 13:13 at your own pace. Um there is no there is no goal about 13:16 Um there is no there is no goal about 13:16 Um there is no there is no goal about how quickly this happens. You know, for 13:19 how quickly this happens. You know, for 13:19 how quickly this happens. You know, for me it it took literally months of me 13:21 me it it took literally months of me 13:21 me it it took literally months of me just doing small, little, tiny 13:23 just doing small, little, tiny 13:23 just doing small, little, tiny meditations every day 13:25 meditations every day 13:25 meditations every day uh and little breathing exercises to 13:27 uh and little breathing exercises to 13:27 uh and little breathing exercises to start feeling things shifting. And it's 13:30 start feeling things shifting. And it's 13:30 start feeling things shifting. And it's water on a rock. 13:32 water on a rock. 13:32 water on a rock. Um, 13:33 Um, 13:33 Um, and and so just, you know, there are ups 13:36 and and so just, you know, there are ups 13:36 and and so just, you know, there are ups and downs. There will be ups and downs. 13:37 and downs. There will be ups and downs. 13:37 and downs. There will be ups and downs. I certainly felt that. Um, but you know, 13:41 I certainly felt that. Um, but you know, 13:41 I certainly felt that. Um, but you know, one day you'll go from being able to 13:43 one day you'll go from being able to 13:43 one day you'll go from being able to take a step and stand to then being able 13:45 take a step and stand to then being able 13:45 take a step and stand to then being able to take tens of steps to hundreds to 13:47 to take tens of steps to hundreds to 13:47 to take tens of steps to hundreds to thousands. 13:48 thousands. 13:48 thousands. Um, 13:49 Um, 13:49 Um, and it will happen. And even if it's 13:52 and it will happen. And even if it's 13:52 and it will happen. And even if it's slow, just know that in your heart, you 13:54 slow, just know that in your heart, you 13:54 slow, just know that in your heart, you know, this works. It really does. Um, 13:58 know, this works. It really does. Um, 13:58 know, this works. It really does. Um, and uh, yeah, so I just encourage you to 14:01 and uh, yeah, so I just encourage you to 14:01 and uh, yeah, so I just encourage you to just gradually work on it every day, 14:03 just gradually work on it every day, 14:03 just gradually work on it every day, every other day, as it can. Um, and just 14:05 every other day, as it can. Um, and just 14:05 every other day, as it can. Um, and just give yourself the time and the space to 14:08 give yourself the time and the space to 14:08 give yourself the time and the space to just trust in the process. 14:10 just trust in the process. 14:10 just trust in the process. Um, and I would say, 14:13 Um, and I would say, 14:13 Um, and I would say, you know, something I have a friend who 14:14 you know, something I have a friend who 14:14 you know, something I have a friend who actually started the program and I said, 14:16 actually started the program and I said, 14:16 actually started the program and I said, you know, really take your time to do 14:19 you know, really take your time to do 14:19 you know, really take your time to do those worksheets. For anybody who's 14:21 those worksheets. For anybody who's 14:21 those worksheets. For anybody who's started the program, do the worksheets. 14:23 started the program, do the worksheets. 14:23 started the program, do the worksheets. Really sit down and try and get into 14:25 Really sit down and try and get into 14:25 Really sit down and try and get into that inner monologue of what your brain 14:27 that inner monologue of what your brain 14:27 that inner monologue of what your brain is telling you you can't do and why and 14:29 is telling you you can't do and why and 14:29 is telling you you can't do and why and responding to symptoms and so forth. Um, 14:31 responding to symptoms and so forth. Um, 14:31 responding to symptoms and so forth. Um, I really found those very helpful in 14:34 I really found those very helpful in 14:34 I really found those very helpful in getting into those deeper layers. 14:37 getting into those deeper layers. 14:37 getting into those deeper layers. Yeah. 14:38 Yeah. 14:38 Yeah. >> Amazing, Nathan. Thank you so much for 14:41 >> Amazing, Nathan. Thank you so much for 14:41 >> Amazing, Nathan. Thank you so much for joining us. So many interesting insights 14:43 joining us. So many interesting insights 14:43 joining us. So many interesting insights that I've taken from your journey and 14:45 that I've taken from your journey and 14:45 that I've taken from your journey and your story. And uh, 14:47 your story. And uh, 14:47 your story. And uh, you know, uh, I wish you all the best 14:49 you know, uh, I wish you all the best 14:49 you know, uh, I wish you all the best and uh, continue your health and 14:51 and uh, continue your health and 14:51 and uh, continue your health and happiness and healing. And uh, 14:53 happiness and healing. And uh, 14:53 happiness and healing. And uh, yes, thank you so much for for joining 14:56 yes, thank you so much for for joining 14:56 yes, thank you so much for for joining us. So, thank you so much, Nathan. 14:57 us. So, thank you so much, Nathan. 14:57 us. So, thank you so much, Nathan. >> Okay, well, thank you so much for the 14:59 >> Okay, well, thank you so much for the 14:59 >> Okay, well, thank you so much for the program. Thank you, Ashok. 15:01 program. Thank you, Ashok. 15:01 program. Thank you, Ashok. >> [snorts] 15:01 >> [snorts] 15:01 >> [snorts] >> Thank you. 15:03 >> Thank you. 15:03 >> Thank you. So, I think, you know, what's I found a 15:06 So, I think, you know, what's I found a 15:06 So, I think, you know, what's I found a pattern there that we see often is the 15:08 pattern there that we see often is the 15:08 pattern there that we see often is the people who we observe having those 15:10 people who we observe having those 15:10 people who we observe having those recoveries are the ones who who continue 15:12 recoveries are the ones who who continue 15:12 recoveries are the ones who who continue with the commitment, no matter the ups 15:14 with the commitment, no matter the ups 15:14 with the commitment, no matter the ups and downs of the experience along the 15:16 and downs of the experience along the 15:16 and downs of the experience along the way. And we're very pleased to have uh,
Laura's path to recovery 15:18 way. And we're very pleased to have uh, 15:18 way. And we're very pleased to have uh, our next guest with us, who's Laura, 15:21 our next guest with us, who's Laura, 15:21 our next guest with us, who's Laura, who's going to join us on the stage. 15:23 who's going to join us on the stage. 15:23 who's going to join us on the stage. Hi there, Laura. 15:25 Hi there, Laura. 15:25 Hi there, Laura. >> Hi. 15:26 >> Hi. 15:26 >> Hi. >> Hi, thank you so much for for joining us 15:28 >> Hi, thank you so much for for joining us 15:28 >> Hi, thank you so much for for joining us and taking some time out 15:31 and taking some time out 15:31 and taking some time out of your of your day. So, I'm sure our 15:33 of your of your day. So, I'm sure our 15:33 of your of your day. So, I'm sure our our listeners and by the way, if you are 15:35 our listeners and by the way, if you are 15:35 our listeners and by the way, if you are watching this listening, please do share 15:36 watching this listening, please do share 15:36 watching this listening, please do share this on your social media on your 15:38 this on your social media on your 15:38 this on your social media on your Facebook, your Twitter, your Instagram. 15:41 Facebook, your Twitter, your Instagram. 15:41 Facebook, your Twitter, your Instagram. Please share this feed. I think we've 15:42 Please share this feed. I think we've 15:42 Please share this feed. I think we've got some really inspiring stories here 15:44 got some really inspiring stories here 15:45 got some really inspiring stories here that I just want for other people to 15:47 that I just want for other people to 15:47 that I just want for other people to hear and be inspired by that people do 15:49 hear and be inspired by that people do 15:49 hear and be inspired by that people do recover. People are recovering from 15:50 recover. People are recovering from 15:50 recover. People are recovering from these every day and and this is living 15:53 these every day and and this is living 15:53 these every day and and this is living proof 15:54 proof 15:54 proof of that. So, yes, 15:55 of that. So, yes, 15:55 of that. So, yes, Laura, I 15:57 Laura, I 15:57 Laura, I would love to start by just giving 15:59 would love to start by just giving 15:59 would love to start by just giving people that contrast of where you were 16:01 people that contrast of where you were 16:01 people that contrast of where you were at your worst and where you are right 16:03 at your worst and where you are right 16:03 at your worst and where you are right now in your journey. 16:06 now in your journey. 16:06 now in your journey. >> Uh my worst was 16:08 >> Uh my worst was 16:08 >> Uh my worst was was horrible. I was bedridden. 16:12 was horrible. I was bedridden. 16:12 was horrible. I was bedridden. Um I was stuck in the house for so long. 16:15 Um I was stuck in the house for so long. 16:15 Um I was stuck in the house for so long. Um I could only transfer from a 16:17 Um I could only transfer from a 16:17 Um I could only transfer from a wheelchair to a chair. I needed help for 16:21 wheelchair to a chair. I needed help for 16:21 wheelchair to a chair. I needed help for everything. Getting dressed, 16:23 everything. Getting dressed, 16:23 everything. Getting dressed, uh 16:25 uh 16:25 uh bringing Someone had to bring water to 16:27 bringing Someone had to bring water to 16:27 bringing Someone had to bring water to me, food to me. I couldn't even just go 16:29 me, food to me. I couldn't even just go 16:30 me, food to me. I couldn't even just go get a glass of water. 16:31 get a glass of water. 16:31 get a glass of water. And um my 16:35 And um my 16:35 And um my just my cognitive functioning, I mean, I 16:38 just my cognitive functioning, I mean, I 16:38 just my cognitive functioning, I mean, I just had such bad brain fog and I was 16:41 just had such bad brain fog and I was 16:41 just had such bad brain fog and I was just so physically and mentally 16:43 just so physically and mentally 16:43 just so physically and mentally exhausted. Um and I couldn't walk at 16:46 exhausted. Um and I couldn't walk at 16:46 exhausted. Um and I couldn't walk at all, obviously. I was bedridden. And I 16:48 all, obviously. I was bedridden. And I 16:48 all, obviously. I was bedridden. And I was in fight or flight the entire time. 16:50 was in fight or flight the entire time. 16:50 was in fight or flight the entire time. I mean, I didn't know that at the time, 16:52 I mean, I didn't know that at the time, 16:52 I mean, I didn't know that at the time, but I was just panicking 16:54 but I was just panicking 16:54 but I was just panicking the whole time of what's wrong with me. 16:56 the whole time of what's wrong with me. 16:57 the whole time of what's wrong with me. Um 16:58 Um 16:58 Um So, that was the worst. 17:00 So, that was the worst. 17:00 So, that was the worst. Um and now I'm much better. See, it's 17:02 Um and now I'm much better. See, it's 17:03 Um and now I'm much better. See, it's even emotional for me to even think 17:04 even emotional for me to even think 17:04 even emotional for me to even think about it or talk about it. I'm much 17:07 about it or talk about it. I'm much 17:07 about it or talk about it. I'm much better. 17:08 better. 17:08 better. I 17:09 I 17:09 I pretty much have 17:11 pretty much have 17:11 pretty much have um 17:12 um 17:12 um gotten my energy to levels where I can 17:16 gotten my energy to levels where I can 17:16 gotten my energy to levels where I can live my life mostly independently. 17:19 live my life mostly independently. 17:19 live my life mostly independently. Um I'm traveling, I'm involved in my 17:21 Um I'm traveling, I'm involved in my 17:21 Um I'm traveling, I'm involved in my community, I'm working a little bit, um 17:24 community, I'm working a little bit, um 17:24 community, I'm working a little bit, um and I'm able to stay in that window of 17:26 and I'm able to stay in that window of 17:26 and I'm able to stay in that window of tolerance most of the time. 17:29 tolerance most of the time. 17:29 tolerance most of the time. So, yeah, total difference from where I 17:31 So, yeah, total difference from where I 17:31 So, yeah, total difference from where I was before. I'm so grateful for this 17:33 was before. I'm so grateful for this 17:33 was before. I'm so grateful for this program. 17:35 program. 17:35 program. >> Wow, so similar a similar story of going 17:38 >> Wow, so similar a similar story of going 17:38 >> Wow, so similar a similar story of going from, once again, bed-bound with that 17:39 from, once again, bed-bound with that 17:39 from, once again, bed-bound with that intense fatigue to actually being able 17:42 intense fatigue to actually being able 17:42 intense fatigue to actually being able to 17:43 to 17:43 to lead a you know, a normal life, which 17:45 lead a you know, a normal life, which 17:45 lead a you know, a normal life, which is, you know, just in just incredible. 17:47 is, you know, just in just incredible. 17:47 is, you know, just in just incredible. And what had you tried before? Um cuz 17:49 And what had you tried before? Um cuz 17:49 And what had you tried before? Um cuz obviously when we people get diagnosed 17:50 obviously when we people get diagnosed 17:50 obviously when we people get diagnosed What were you diagnosed with so everyone 17:52 What were you diagnosed with so everyone 17:52 What were you diagnosed with so everyone also knows? 17:54 also knows? 17:54 also knows? >> Um I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, 17:56 >> Um I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, 17:56 >> Um I was diagnosed with chronic fatigue, uh which took a really long time to even 17:58 uh which took a really long time to even 17:58 uh which took a really long time to even get a diagnosis. I think I probably went 18:01 get a diagnosis. I think I probably went 18:01 get a diagnosis. I think I probably went a year 18:02 a year 18:03 a year of 18:04 of 18:04 of going to every kind of specialist. I'm 18:06 going to every kind of specialist. I'm 18:06 going to every kind of specialist. I'm in Canada, so every kind of specialists 18:09 in Canada, so every kind of specialists 18:09 in Canada, so every kind of specialists out there to try to see what it was. We 18:12 out there to try to see what it was. We 18:12 out there to try to see what it was. We have long wait times for doctors, and I 18:14 have long wait times for doctors, and I 18:14 have long wait times for doctors, and I would call in the mornings because I 18:16 would call in the mornings because I 18:16 would call in the mornings because I knew they'd get cancellations, and I'd 18:17 knew they'd get cancellations, and I'd 18:17 knew they'd get cancellations, and I'd be crying because I'd think I want to 18:20 be crying because I'd think I want to 18:20 be crying because I'd think I want to see a neurologist, but I my 18:21 see a neurologist, but I my 18:21 see a neurologist, but I my appointment's in 8 months, you know? And 18:24 appointment's in 8 months, you know? And 18:24 appointment's in 8 months, you know? And I don't want to wait 8 months cuz I keep 18:25 I don't want to wait 8 months cuz I keep 18:25 I don't want to wait 8 months cuz I keep going downhill, so I don't know what I'm 18:27 going downhill, so I don't know what I'm 18:27 going downhill, so I don't know what I'm going to look like in 8 months. So, I 18:28 going to look like in 8 months. So, I 18:28 going to look like in 8 months. So, I was really panicking. 18:30 was really panicking. 18:30 was really panicking. Um I saw all these different doctors, 18:31 Um I saw all these different doctors, 18:31 Um I saw all these different doctors, and they all kept saying, "Oh, it's a 18:33 and they all kept saying, "Oh, it's a 18:33 and they all kept saying, "Oh, it's a virus. It just has to run its course." 18:36 virus. It just has to run its course." 18:36 virus. It just has to run its course." Not helpful at all. 18:38 Not helpful at all. 18:38 Not helpful at all. Um 18:39 Um 18:39 Um I waited 18 months to see an 18:41 I waited 18 months to see an 18:41 I waited 18 months to see an environmental specialist, and she's the 18:42 environmental specialist, and she's the 18:42 environmental specialist, and she's the one who diagnosed me with chronic 18:43 one who diagnosed me with chronic 18:44 one who diagnosed me with chronic fatigue and gave me a few tips. That was 18:47 fatigue and gave me a few tips. That was 18:47 fatigue and gave me a few tips. That was helpful. I mean, she didn't have great 18:49 helpful. I mean, she didn't have great 18:49 helpful. I mean, she didn't have great things to say about having chronic 18:50 things to say about having chronic 18:50 things to say about having chronic fatigue, but at least I had a name for 18:53 fatigue, but at least I had a name for 18:53 fatigue, but at least I had a name for it. 18:54 it. 18:54 it. Um and I had tried a whole bunch of 18:56 Um and I had tried a whole bunch of 18:56 Um and I had tried a whole bunch of things. I mean, 18:58 things. I mean, 18:58 things. I mean, I tried a a mindfulness stress reduction 19:02 I tried a a mindfulness stress reduction 19:02 I tried a a mindfulness stress reduction program that was 19:04 program that was 19:04 program that was um just meditation. Um 19:06 um just meditation. Um 19:06 um just meditation. Um I tried I saw a functional medicine 19:08 I tried I saw a functional medicine 19:08 I tried I saw a functional medicine doctor, had a whole bunch of tests done, 19:10 doctor, had a whole bunch of tests done, 19:10 doctor, had a whole bunch of tests done, changed my diet, you know, all that kind 19:12 changed my diet, you know, all that kind 19:12 changed my diet, you know, all that kind of thing. Naturopath, osteopath, physio. 19:17 of thing. Naturopath, osteopath, physio. 19:17 of thing. Naturopath, osteopath, physio. Um, went on to medication, 19:20 Um, went on to medication, 19:20 Um, went on to medication, a couple different therapists, and then 19:22 a couple different therapists, and then 19:22 a couple different therapists, and then finally this private chronic fatigue 19:25 finally this private chronic fatigue 19:25 finally this private chronic fatigue hos- uh clinic opened up in Toronto 19:28 hos- uh clinic opened up in Toronto 19:28 hos- uh clinic opened up in Toronto after uh long COVID became a thing. And 19:31 after uh long COVID became a thing. And 19:31 after uh long COVID became a thing. And it was $2,000, [clears throat] 19:32 it was $2,000, [clears throat] 19:32 it was $2,000, [clears throat] and I thought, "Okay, I'm going here, 19:34 and I thought, "Okay, I'm going here, 19:34 and I thought, "Okay, I'm going here, and we're going to figure this out." And 19:36 and we're going to figure this out." And 19:36 and we're going to figure this out." And they told me to do the Gupta Program, 19:38 they told me to do the Gupta Program, 19:38 they told me to do the Gupta Program, and I cannot believe that I never came 19:40 and I cannot believe that I never came 19:40 and I cannot believe that I never came across the Gupta Program in all of my 19:43 across the Gupta Program in all of my 19:43 across the Gupta Program in all of my you know, frantic searching on the 19:44 you know, frantic searching on the 19:44 you know, frantic searching on the internet of anything to help me. Somehow 19:47 internet of anything to help me. Somehow 19:47 internet of anything to help me. Somehow I didn't find it, and they told me. So, 19:50 I didn't find it, and they told me. So, 19:51 I didn't find it, and they told me. So, you know, I paid $2,000 to see them, but 19:53 you know, I paid $2,000 to see them, but 19:53 you know, I paid $2,000 to see them, but they gave me what I needed, which was 19:55 they gave me what I needed, which was 19:55 they gave me what I needed, which was you, um to get better. So, that's what 19:59 you, um to get better. So, that's what 19:59 you, um to get better. So, that's what led me here. And all those other things 20:00 led me here. And all those other things 20:00 led me here. And all those other things that I did, I would say they helped a 20:02 that I did, I would say they helped a 20:02 that I did, I would say they helped a little bit with the downstream symptoms. 20:05 little bit with the downstream symptoms. 20:05 little bit with the downstream symptoms. Just they didn't get to the 20:07 Just they didn't get to the 20:07 Just they didn't get to the you know, the heart of it. 20:09 you know, the heart of it. 20:10 you know, the heart of it. >> Of course. 20:11 >> Of course. 20:11 >> Of course. And 20:12 And 20:12 And yeah, it's quite a journey that 20:13 yeah, it's quite a journey that 20:13 yeah, it's quite a journey that obviously you were on. What do you think 20:15 obviously you were on. What do you think 20:15 obviously you were on. What do you think made the biggest difference? So, 20:16 made the biggest difference? So, 20:16 made the biggest difference? So, obviously you used the Gupta Program, 20:18 obviously you used the Gupta Program, 20:18 obviously you used the Gupta Program, and what what do you think was the kind 20:20 and what what do you think was the kind 20:20 and what what do you think was the kind of critical success factor to make it 20:23 of critical success factor to make it 20:23 of critical success factor to make it work for you? Cuz obviously there'll be 20:24 work for you? Cuz obviously there'll be 20:24 work for you? Cuz obviously there'll be lots of people watching who perhaps have 20:27 lots of people watching who perhaps have 20:27 lots of people watching who perhaps have thought about brain retraining, thought 20:28 thought about brain retraining, thought 20:28 thought about brain retraining, thought about neuroplasticity. Is that kind of 20:31 about neuroplasticity. Is that kind of 20:31 about neuroplasticity. Is that kind of something they'd like to take on? What 20:32 something they'd like to take on? What 20:32 something they'd like to take on? What do you think was really made it work for 20:33 do you think was really made it work for 20:33 do you think was really made it work for you? 20:36 you? 20:36 you? >> I love the program. Love it. Um, 20:39 >> I love the program. Love it. Um, 20:39 >> I love the program. Love it. Um, and I think you're amazing. 20:41 and I think you're amazing. 20:41 and I think you're amazing. Um, 20:42 Um, 20:42 Um, I think first of all those the first 20:44 I think first of all those the first 20:44 I think first of all those the first couple videos where you were explaining, 20:47 couple videos where you were explaining, 20:47 couple videos where you were explaining, and I was debating, you know, if this is 20:48 and I was debating, you know, if this is 20:48 and I was debating, you know, if this is the right thing for me. 20:50 the right thing for me. 20:50 the right thing for me. Uh, you were explaining about 20:52 Uh, you were explaining about 20:53 Uh, you were explaining about when you have a lot of stress and you 20:54 when you have a lot of stress and you 20:54 when you have a lot of stress and you get a virus, that can lead to chronic 20:56 get a virus, that can lead to chronic 20:56 get a virus, that can lead to chronic fatigue. The way you were describing it 20:58 fatigue. The way you were describing it 20:58 fatigue. The way you were describing it was exactly what had happened to me. And 21:01 was exactly what had happened to me. And 21:01 was exactly what had happened to me. And that was the first time that I had heard 21:04 that was the first time that I had heard 21:04 that was the first time that I had heard anyone in all of this whole crazy thing 21:07 anyone in all of this whole crazy thing 21:07 anyone in all of this whole crazy thing happening to me 21:09 happening to me 21:09 happening to me say [snorts] anything that made sense 21:10 say [snorts] anything that made sense 21:10 say [snorts] anything that made sense about what had happened in my body. And 21:13 about what had happened in my body. And 21:13 about what had happened in my body. And so right away I felt hope because I 21:14 so right away I felt hope because I 21:14 so right away I felt hope because I thought wait, I feel like I'm understood 21:17 thought wait, I feel like I'm understood 21:17 thought wait, I feel like I'm understood here. I feel like this is the right 21:19 here. I feel like this is the right 21:19 here. I feel like this is the right thing. And then when I joined the 21:20 thing. And then when I joined the 21:20 thing. And then when I joined the program 21:22 program 21:22 program hearing other people going through the 21:24 hearing other people going through the 21:24 hearing other people going through the same thing that I was going through 21:26 same thing that I was going through 21:26 same thing that I was going through regardless of where they were in their 21:28 regardless of where they were in their 21:28 regardless of where they were in their healing journey, that helped me so much 21:30 healing journey, that helped me so much 21:30 healing journey, that helped me so much because I felt so alone and so isolated 21:33 because I felt so alone and so isolated 21:33 because I felt so alone and so isolated in what I was going through. 21:35 in what I was going through. 21:35 in what I was going through. Um and I felt like I wasn't alone and 21:37 Um and I felt like I wasn't alone and 21:37 Um and I felt like I wasn't alone and that 21:39 that 21:39 that that took away a big chunk of that fear 21:41 that took away a big chunk of that fear 21:41 that took away a big chunk of that fear right away because 21:43 right away because 21:43 right away because now I can stop ruminating on what is 21:45 now I can stop ruminating on what is 21:45 now I can stop ruminating on what is this? What's wrong with me? You know, 21:47 this? What's wrong with me? You know, 21:47 this? What's wrong with me? You know, what's going to happen next kind of 21:48 what's going to happen next kind of 21:48 what's going to happen next kind of thing. 21:49 thing. 21:49 thing. And I focused on healing 21:51 And I focused on healing 21:51 And I focused on healing and I made these amazing friends in the 21:53 and I made these amazing friends in the 21:53 and I made these amazing friends in the Gupta program 21:55 Gupta program 21:55 Gupta program um and we still keep in touch and we 21:58 um and we still keep in touch and we 21:58 um and we still keep in touch and we helped each other 21:59 helped each other 21:59 helped each other and that was a huge part of it. Um I 22:02 and that was a huge part of it. Um I 22:02 and that was a huge part of it. Um I even came to the Gupta retreat and that 22:05 even came to the Gupta retreat and that 22:05 even came to the Gupta retreat and that was also 22:07 was also 22:07 was also uh just such an amazing experience. 22:10 uh just such an amazing experience. 22:10 uh just such an amazing experience. Um 22:12 Um 22:12 Um and just the structure of the program. I 22:14 and just the structure of the program. I 22:14 and just the structure of the program. I needed that, you know, when you're just 22:16 needed that, you know, when you're just 22:16 needed that, you know, when you're just lying there 22:18 lying there 22:18 lying there not feeling well, you have way too much 22:19 not feeling well, you have way too much 22:19 not feeling well, you have way too much time to think. You're just looking at 22:23 time to think. You're just looking at 22:23 time to think. You're just looking at your house which is a mess and you can't 22:25 your house which is a mess and you can't 22:25 your house which is a mess and you can't do anything about it and you can't 22:27 do anything about it and you can't 22:27 do anything about it and you can't really 22:28 really 22:28 really help your kids or do whatever. That's 22:29 help your kids or do whatever. That's 22:29 help your kids or do whatever. That's how I felt. And now I had this 22:32 how I felt. And now I had this 22:32 how I felt. And now I had this program that was giving me tools and it 22:34 program that was giving me tools and it 22:34 program that was giving me tools and it was giving me structure in my day and I 22:36 was giving me structure in my day and I 22:36 was giving me structure in my day and I think all of that really helped. It's It 22:39 think all of that really helped. It's It 22:39 think all of that really helped. It's It was what I needed. 22:41 was what I needed. 22:41 was what I needed. >> Yeah, and I love actually Laura what you 22:43 >> Yeah, and I love actually Laura what you 22:43 >> Yeah, and I love actually Laura what you said about not feeling alone cuz many 22:45 said about not feeling alone cuz many 22:45 said about not feeling alone cuz many people whether you've got chronic 22:47 people whether you've got chronic 22:47 people whether you've got chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, long 22:49 fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, long 22:49 fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, long COVID, mold illness, you know, 22:51 COVID, mold illness, you know, 22:51 COVID, mold illness, you know, it can feel very isolating because 22:53 it can feel very isolating because 22:53 it can feel very isolating because doctors don't believe you or they don't 22:54 doctors don't believe you or they don't 22:54 doctors don't believe you or they don't take it seriously. Uh you can have 22:56 take it seriously. Uh you can have 22:56 take it seriously. Uh you can have friends and family who don't really 22:58 friends and family who don't really 22:58 friends and family who don't really understand. And to have a community of 23:00 understand. And to have a community of 23:00 understand. And to have a community of people who you're connecting with online 23:03 people who you're connecting with online 23:03 people who you're connecting with online and obviously we have people connecting 23:04 and obviously we have people connecting 23:04 and obviously we have people connecting on Zoom as well. We have a buddy 23:06 on Zoom as well. We have a buddy 23:06 on Zoom as well. We have a buddy program. All of those options for 23:09 program. All of those options for 23:09 program. All of those options for community connection, I think, then are 23:12 community connection, I think, then are 23:12 community connection, I think, then are half the battle in terms of overcoming 23:13 half the battle in terms of overcoming 23:13 half the battle in terms of overcoming fear and being able to say, "Hey, I can 23:15 fear and being able to say, "Hey, I can 23:15 fear and being able to say, "Hey, I can work on my recovery." And obviously the 23:17 work on my recovery." And obviously the 23:17 work on my recovery." And obviously the the daily the daily exercises as well, 23:19 the daily the daily exercises as well, 23:19 the daily the daily exercises as well, the daily live events. I think these are 23:21 the daily live events. I think these are 23:21 the daily live events. I think these are all things we've tried to put in place 23:23 all things we've tried to put in place 23:23 all things we've tried to put in place to make sure that people feel a sense of 23:25 to make sure that people feel a sense of 23:25 to make sure that people feel a sense of camaraderie and community 23:27 camaraderie and community 23:27 camaraderie and community with everybody. 23:29 with everybody. 23:29 with everybody. Uh so, what I've been I you know, 23:30 Uh so, what I've been I you know, 23:30 Uh so, what I've been I you know, personally I'm just so inspired and once 23:32 personally I'm just so inspired and once 23:32 personally I'm just so inspired and once again, it's these these patterns that 23:34 again, it's these these patterns that 23:34 again, it's these these patterns that we're seeing in people who recover, 23:36 we're seeing in people who recover, 23:36 we're seeing in people who recover, which is that sense of not being alone 23:39 which is that sense of not being alone 23:39 which is that sense of not being alone with their condition, that sense of 23:40 with their condition, that sense of 23:40 with their condition, that sense of commitment to their retraining and 23:43 commitment to their retraining and 23:43 commitment to their retraining and keeping going and no matter what. 23:46 keeping going and no matter what. 23:46 keeping going and no matter what. Um anything that you'd like to say to 23:47 Um anything that you'd like to say to 23:47 Um anything that you'd like to say to people who may be feeling stuck right 23:50 people who may be feeling stuck right 23:50 people who may be feeling stuck right now with their condition, perhaps 23:51 now with their condition, perhaps 23:51 now with their condition, perhaps they've been told they're never going to 23:52 they've been told they're never going to 23:53 they've been told they're never going to heal or recover or 23:55 heal or recover or 23:55 heal or recover or you know, something that you do 23:56 you know, something that you do 23:56 you know, something that you do differently if you could start again. 23:57 differently if you could start again. 23:57 differently if you could start again. Any Any final words of 23:59 Any Any final words of 24:00 Any Any final words of encouragement you'd like to give to 24:00 encouragement you'd like to give to 24:01 encouragement you'd like to give to others? 24:02 others? 24:02 others? >> Well, I would definitely say if you're 24:04 >> Well, I would definitely say if you're 24:04 >> Well, I would definitely say if you're not doing the Gupta program, just start 24:06 not doing the Gupta program, just start 24:06 not doing the Gupta program, just start it and start doing it because I wish 24:09 it and start doing it because I wish 24:09 it and start doing it because I wish that's my one thing I wish I had found 24:11 that's my one thing I wish I had found 24:11 that's my one thing I wish I had found it so much earlier because I think I had 24:12 it so much earlier because I think I had 24:13 it so much earlier because I think I had been at least 6 years maybe by the time 24:15 been at least 6 years maybe by the time 24:15 been at least 6 years maybe by the time I found the program that I 24:18 I found the program that I 24:18 I found the program that I had wasn't walking and 24:20 had wasn't walking and 24:20 had wasn't walking and um 24:21 um 24:21 um I couldn't really do anything. Um 24:25 I couldn't really do anything. Um 24:25 I couldn't really do anything. Um and what I would say is 24:29 and what I would say is 24:29 and what I would say is you will recover. You can recover. So, 24:33 you will recover. You can recover. So, 24:33 you will recover. You can recover. So, maybe when you go to the doctor, they 24:34 maybe when you go to the doctor, they 24:34 maybe when you go to the doctor, they don't know very much about this 24:36 don't know very much about this 24:36 don't know very much about this condition and your friends and family 24:37 condition and your friends and family 24:37 condition and your friends and family don't either. 24:39 don't either. 24:39 don't either. Um 24:40 Um 24:40 Um but if you take your time with this 24:42 but if you take your time with this 24:42 but if you take your time with this program, don't put the pressure on 24:44 program, don't put the pressure on 24:44 program, don't put the pressure on yourself. 24:45 yourself. 24:45 yourself. Just 24:48 Just 24:48 Just do it in manageable amounts for you. And 24:51 do it in manageable amounts for you. And 24:51 do it in manageable amounts for you. And that was one thing that I felt I did 24:53 that was one thing that I felt I did 24:53 that was one thing that I felt I did really well was that I I'm normally a 24:55 really well was that I I'm normally a 24:55 really well was that I I'm normally a type A personality. Just do it right, 24:57 type A personality. Just do it right, 24:57 type A personality. Just do it right, get it done. But in the program I really 25:00 get it done. But in the program I really 25:00 get it done. But in the program I really took my time and I didn't put pressure 25:02 took my time and I didn't put pressure 25:02 took my time and I didn't put pressure on myself. I didn't give myself 25:04 on myself. I didn't give myself 25:04 on myself. I didn't give myself timelines, okay, you know, in 6 months I 25:06 timelines, okay, you know, in 6 months I 25:06 timelines, okay, you know, in 6 months I I'm going to be here. I didn't do that 25:08 I'm going to be here. I didn't do that 25:08 I'm going to be here. I didn't do that to myself. Um 25:10 to myself. Um 25:10 to myself. Um I just let it happen naturally 25:14 I just let it happen naturally 25:14 I just let it happen naturally and 25:15 and 25:15 and and it started coming. And then as you 25:17 and it started coming. And then as you 25:17 and it started coming. And then as you start 25:19 start 25:19 start um feeling better, then 25:21 um feeling better, then 25:21 um feeling better, then it gives you more hope and it gives you 25:26 it gives you more hope and it gives you 25:26 it gives you more hope and it gives you the perseverance to keep going with this 25:28 the perseverance to keep going with this 25:28 the perseverance to keep going with this because obviously there were ups and 25:30 because obviously there were ups and 25:30 because obviously there were ups and downs and I used to live hour to hour. 25:34 downs and I used to live hour to hour. 25:34 downs and I used to live hour to hour. You know, and then I get the point of 25:36 You know, and then I get the point of 25:36 You know, and then I get the point of okay, now I'm actually having some good 25:39 okay, now I'm actually having some good 25:39 okay, now I'm actually having some good days. 25:40 days. 25:40 days. And now I'm at the point where 25:42 And now I'm at the point where 25:42 And now I'm at the point where I can say that every now and then I have 25:45 I can say that every now and then I have 25:45 I can say that every now and then I have a bad day or maybe I have a few bad 25:47 a bad day or maybe I have a few bad 25:47 a bad day or maybe I have a few bad hours, right? So I've just come so far, 25:50 hours, right? So I've just come so far, 25:50 hours, right? So I've just come so far, but it's also taken me quite a while. I 25:53 but it's also taken me quite a while. I 25:53 but it's also taken me quite a while. I felt that compared to some of my group 25:55 felt that compared to some of my group 25:55 felt that compared to some of my group of friends, I was taking longer than 25:57 of friends, I was taking longer than 25:57 of friends, I was taking longer than other people, but I didn't let that get 26:00 other people, but I didn't let that get 26:00 other people, but I didn't let that get to me and everybody was still 26:01 to me and everybody was still 26:01 to me and everybody was still supportive. We're all on our own 26:03 supportive. We're all on our own 26:03 supportive. We're all on our own journeys and everyone 26:05 journeys and everyone 26:05 journeys and everyone um is on their own timeline. 26:07 um is on their own timeline. 26:07 um is on their own timeline. >> I think that's a really interesting 26:09 >> I think that's a really interesting 26:09 >> I think that's a really interesting point that it can be very tempting to 26:10 point that it can be very tempting to 26:10 point that it can be very tempting to compare our journey to somebody else and 26:12 compare our journey to somebody else and 26:12 compare our journey to somebody else and think, "Oh, they used that program and 26:14 think, "Oh, they used that program and 26:14 think, "Oh, they used that program and they got well in a month or they got 26:16 they got well in a month or they got 26:16 they got well in a month or they got well in a" and actually it's about our 26:18 well in a" and actually it's about our 26:18 well in a" and actually it's about our own journey 26:19 own journey 26:19 own journey and saying, "I'm not going to put a 26:21 and saying, "I'm not going to put a 26:21 and saying, "I'm not going to put a timeline on it. I'm just going to have 26:22 timeline on it. I'm just going to have 26:22 timeline on it. I'm just going to have that commitment and continuing brain 26:25 that commitment and continuing brain 26:25 that commitment and continuing brain retraining until I reach that recovery." 26:27 retraining until I reach that recovery." 26:27 retraining until I reach that recovery." And then you take the pressure off 26:28 And then you take the pressure off 26:28 And then you take the pressure off yourself and that and that comparison. 26:30 yourself and that and that comparison. 26:30 yourself and that and that comparison. So Laura, thank you so much for your 26:33 So Laura, thank you so much for your 26:33 So Laura, thank you so much for your time today. I really really appreciate 26:35 time today. I really really appreciate 26:35 time today. I really really appreciate it. Thank you for coming on and I wish 26:37 it. Thank you for coming on and I wish 26:37 it. Thank you for coming on and I wish you all the best in in life and 26:39 you all the best in in life and 26:39 you all the best in in life and hopefully see you again soon. So thank 26:41 hopefully see you again soon. So thank 26:42 hopefully see you again soon. So thank you so much, Laura. 26:43 you so much, Laura. 26:43 you so much, Laura. >> Thank you and thank you for everything 26:44 >> Thank you and thank you for everything 26:44 >> Thank you and thank you for everything that you're doing for us. I really 26:46 that you're doing for us. I really 26:46 that you're doing for us. I really appreciate it. 26:48 appreciate it. 26:48 appreciate it. >> Thank you so much.
The science of brain retraining 26:54 So yeah, that's our 26:54 So yeah, that's our our second guest who was sharing her 26:56 our second guest who was sharing her 26:56 our second guest who was sharing her story there. I think once again 26:59 story there. I think once again 26:59 story there. I think once again when we ask people what are the critical 27:01 when we ask people what are the critical 27:01 when we ask people what are the critical success factors, what got you well? 27:04 success factors, what got you well? 27:04 success factors, what got you well? There are a number of things that come 27:05 There are a number of things that come 27:05 There are a number of things that come up regularly. It's that sense of 27:07 up regularly. It's that sense of 27:07 up regularly. It's that sense of getting involved in the Gupta Program 27:09 getting involved in the Gupta Program 27:09 getting involved in the Gupta Program community. For some people that's very 27:10 community. For some people that's very 27:10 community. For some people that's very important. Most importantly, that sense 27:13 important. Most importantly, that sense 27:13 important. Most importantly, that sense of 27:14 of 27:14 of uh 27:14 uh 27:14 uh I am going to trust and let go in brain 27:17 I am going to trust and let go in brain 27:17 I am going to trust and let go in brain retraining. I'm not going to put a 27:18 retraining. I'm not going to put a 27:18 retraining. I'm not going to put a timeline on it. I just keep going until 27:20 timeline on it. I just keep going until 27:20 timeline on it. I just keep going until I make that recovery. 27:22 I make that recovery. 27:22 I make that recovery. And of course there'll be ups and downs 27:24 And of course there'll be ups and downs 27:24 And of course there'll be ups and downs along the way, but with that commitment, 27:25 along the way, but with that commitment, 27:25 along the way, but with that commitment, with that keeping going, people tend to 27:27 with that keeping going, people tend to 27:27 with that keeping going, people tend to have the recoveries 27:29 have the recoveries 27:29 have the recoveries uh that they choose to have. And I'm 27:32 uh that they choose to have. And I'm 27:32 uh that they choose to have. And I'm also, you know, I have a story myself as 27:35 also, you know, I have a story myself as 27:35 also, you know, I have a story myself as many of you may know. I suffered from ME 27:37 many of you may know. I suffered from ME 27:37 many of you may know. I suffered from ME and chronic fatigue syndrome back in the 27:39 and chronic fatigue syndrome back in the 27:39 and chronic fatigue syndrome back in the late '90s when these conditions weren't 27:41 late '90s when these conditions weren't 27:41 late '90s when these conditions weren't really understood. They weren't really 27:44 really understood. They weren't really 27:44 really understood. They weren't really uh taken seriously. They were called 27:46 uh taken seriously. They were called 27:46 uh taken seriously. They were called yuppie flu. 27:47 yuppie flu. 27:47 yuppie flu. And I went on a a journey of trying to 27:50 And I went on a a journey of trying to 27:50 And I went on a a journey of trying to what caused these conditions. In my 27:52 what caused these conditions. In my 27:52 what caused these conditions. In my worst moments I felt absolutely 27:54 worst moments I felt absolutely 27:54 worst moments I felt absolutely terrible, had no energy, couldn't do 27:55 terrible, had no energy, couldn't do 27:55 terrible, had no energy, couldn't do anything. 27:56 anything. 27:56 anything. And I remember in that worst moment I 27:58 And I remember in that worst moment I 27:58 And I remember in that worst moment I made a contract with with the universe 28:00 made a contract with with the universe 28:00 made a contract with with the universe to say if I can just get myself 30% 28:02 to say if I can just get myself 30% 28:02 to say if I can just get myself 30% better, 50% better 28:04 better, 50% better 28:04 better, 50% better I will dedicate the rest of my life to 28:07 I will dedicate the rest of my life to 28:07 I will dedicate the rest of my life to helping others with this condition. 28:10 helping others with this condition. 28:10 helping others with this condition. And 28:11 And 28:11 And I managed to then find some information 28:14 I managed to then find some information 28:14 I managed to then find some information that I thought was was interesting. It 28:16 that I thought was was interesting. It 28:16 that I thought was was interesting. It was actually a book in Cambridge. It was 28:18 was actually a book in Cambridge. It was 28:18 was actually a book in Cambridge. It was a bookstore and there was one book by 28:21 a bookstore and there was one book by 28:21 a bookstore and there was one book by Professor Joseph LeDoux called The 28:23 Professor Joseph LeDoux called The 28:23 Professor Joseph LeDoux called The Emotional Life of the Brain and 28:25 Emotional Life of the Brain and 28:25 Emotional Life of the Brain and that was the book. That was the 28:26 that was the book. That was the 28:26 that was the book. That was the neurology book that helped me understand 28:29 neurology book that helped me understand 28:29 neurology book that helped me understand what I believed was going on in the 28:30 what I believed was going on in the 28:30 what I believed was going on in the brain that may be causing these chronic 28:32 brain that may be causing these chronic 28:32 brain that may be causing these chronic conditions. Not in the mind. We 28:34 conditions. Not in the mind. We 28:34 conditions. Not in the mind. We definitely don't say these conditions 28:35 definitely don't say these conditions 28:35 definitely don't say these conditions are in the mind, but we do believe 28:37 are in the mind, but we do believe 28:37 are in the mind, but we do believe they're in the unconscious brain and 28:39 they're in the unconscious brain and 28:39 they're in the unconscious brain and that is at often at the root cause of 28:41 that is at often at the root cause of 28:41 that is at often at the root cause of many of these 28:42 many of these 28:42 many of these conditions. And then through some ad hoc 28:45 conditions. And then through some ad hoc 28:45 conditions. And then through some ad hoc brain retraining I got fully well within 28:47 brain retraining I got fully well within 28:47 brain retraining I got fully well within months and then set up a clinic to help 28:50 months and then set up a clinic to help 28:50 months and then set up a clinic to help others. And that has been my life 28:51 others. And that has been my life 28:51 others. And that has been my life purpose is to help people like you or 28:54 purpose is to help people like you or 28:54 purpose is to help people like you or people that you know who are suffering 28:55 people that you know who are suffering 28:55 people that you know who are suffering from a chronic condition and your doctor 28:57 from a chronic condition and your doctor 28:57 from a chronic condition and your doctor has said there's nothing more we can do. 28:59 has said there's nothing more we can do. 28:59 has said there's nothing more we can do. Then we realize it's not a hardware 29:00 Then we realize it's not a hardware 29:00 Then we realize it's not a hardware problem, which is what mainstream 29:02 problem, which is what mainstream 29:02 problem, which is what mainstream medicine is very good at dealing with, 29:04 medicine is very good at dealing with, 29:04 medicine is very good at dealing with, it's a software problem. It's a problem 29:06 it's a software problem. It's a problem 29:06 it's a software problem. It's a problem of uh 29:07 of uh 29:07 of uh systems biology. It's the brain 29:10 systems biology. It's the brain 29:10 systems biology. It's the brain overreacting, over-responding. And 29:12 overreacting, over-responding. And 29:12 overreacting, over-responding. And through this gentle uh nervous system 29:15 through this gentle uh nervous system 29:15 through this gentle uh nervous system regulation, core brain retraining, and 29:17 regulation, core brain retraining, and 29:17 regulation, core brain retraining, and all the other things that we do in the 29:18 all the other things that we do in the 29:18 all the other things that we do in the Gupta program, you can 29:20 Gupta program, you can 29:20 Gupta program, you can gradually train the brain out of these 29:22 gradually train the brain out of these 29:22 gradually train the brain out of these chronic immune and nervous system 29:23 chronic immune and nervous system 29:23 chronic immune and nervous system responses and get people back to health. 29:26 responses and get people back to health. 29:26 responses and get people back to health. And uh we've now published seven 29:28 And uh we've now published seven 29:28 And uh we've now published seven clinical studies on this and more uh 29:29 clinical studies on this and more uh 29:30 clinical studies on this and more uh three or four more RCTs, randomized 29:32 three or four more RCTs, randomized 29:32 three or four more RCTs, randomized controlled trials, about to be 29:33 controlled trials, about to be 29:33 controlled trials, about to be published. So, lots of great evidence to 29:35 published. So, lots of great evidence to 29:35 published. So, lots of great evidence to support this as well. And if you're 29:36 support this as well. And if you're 29:36 support this as well. And if you're enjoying this today, please do share 29:38 enjoying this today, please do share 29:38 enjoying this today, please do share this on your social media, please like 29:40 this on your social media, please like 29:40 this on your social media, please like us on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and 29:43 us on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and 29:43 us on Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, and share this video far and wide to people 29:46 share this video far and wide to people 29:46 share this video far and wide to people who need to hear this today. That 29:48 who need to hear this today. That 29:48 who need to hear this today. That recovery is possible, no matter what 29:51 recovery is possible, no matter what 29:51 recovery is possible, no matter what anyone has said. 29:53 anyone has said. 29:53 anyone has said. And that leads me nicely to our our next
Cindy's story and closing 29:55 And that leads me nicely to our our next 29:55 And that leads me nicely to our our next guest, we're very uh pleased to have 29:57 guest, we're very uh pleased to have 29:57 guest, we're very uh pleased to have with us Cindy. 30:01 with us Cindy. 30:01 with us Cindy. Hi there, Cindy. 30:02 Hi there, Cindy. 30:02 Hi there, Cindy. >> Hi. 30:04 >> Hi. 30:04 >> Hi. >> Hi. So lovely that uh 30:05 >> Hi. So lovely that uh 30:05 >> Hi. So lovely that uh you can uh you can join us. And uh Cindy 30:08 you can uh you can join us. And uh Cindy 30:08 you can uh you can join us. And uh Cindy actually experienced a different 30:09 actually experienced a different 30:09 actually experienced a different condition, long COVID. And uh once 30:12 condition, long COVID. And uh once 30:12 condition, long COVID. And uh once again, I just as always like to kick off 30:14 again, I just as always like to kick off 30:14 again, I just as always like to kick off with just that contrast that 30:16 with just that contrast that 30:16 with just that contrast that how did you feel in your absolute worst 30:18 how did you feel in your absolute worst 30:18 how did you feel in your absolute worst moments and what are you able to to now 30:21 moments and what are you able to to now 30:21 moments and what are you able to to now do uh 30:22 do uh 30:22 do uh having had long COVID? 30:25 having had long COVID? 30:25 having had long COVID? >> Well, I actually got long COVID I've had 30:28 >> Well, I actually got long COVID I've had 30:28 >> Well, I actually got long COVID I've had long COVID twice. I got my first uh bout 30:31 long COVID twice. I got my first uh bout 30:31 long COVID twice. I got my first uh bout of long COVID in December of 2020. 30:35 of long COVID in December of 2020. 30:35 of long COVID in December of 2020. And um in the beginning 30:39 And um in the beginning 30:39 And um in the beginning same thing, bed-bound. I was bed-bound 30:41 same thing, bed-bound. I was bed-bound 30:41 same thing, bed-bound. I was bed-bound for about 6 months. Luckily, uh my 30:44 for about 6 months. Luckily, uh my 30:44 for about 6 months. Luckily, uh my husband found your program on a 30:47 husband found your program on a 30:47 husband found your program on a symposium, a doctor symposium about long 30:51 symposium, a doctor symposium about long 30:51 symposium, a doctor symposium about long COVID. And so, I was able to after 6 30:54 COVID. And so, I was able to after 6 30:54 COVID. And so, I was able to after 6 months of 30:56 months of 30:56 months of being bedbound, get on the Gupta Program 30:58 being bedbound, get on the Gupta Program 30:58 being bedbound, get on the Gupta Program and 31:00 and 31:00 and you know, immediately I um 31:04 you know, immediately I um 31:04 you know, immediately I um I loved the hypothesis. The hypothesis 31:06 I loved the hypothesis. The hypothesis 31:07 I loved the hypothesis. The hypothesis made so much sense to me. So, the belief 31:09 made so much sense to me. So, the belief 31:09 made so much sense to me. So, the belief was a huge factor. And so, little by 31:12 was a huge factor. And so, little by 31:12 was a huge factor. And so, little by little, I just started getting out of 31:15 little, I just started getting out of 31:15 little, I just started getting out of bed cuz I I I had also had tachycardia, 31:18 bed cuz I I I had also had tachycardia, 31:18 bed cuz I I I had also had tachycardia, I had heart palpitations, and severe 31:21 I had heart palpitations, and severe 31:21 I had heart palpitations, and severe anxiety, like really severe. 31:25 anxiety, like really severe. 31:25 anxiety, like really severe. Um 31:26 Um 31:26 Um And then now, and actually both times, 31:30 And then now, and actually both times, 31:30 And then now, and actually both times, um I you know, now I travel, I I, you 31:34 um I you know, now I travel, I I, you 31:34 um I you know, now I travel, I I, you know, do yoga, I walk 3 to 4 miles every 31:38 know, do yoga, I walk 3 to 4 miles every 31:38 know, do yoga, I walk 3 to 4 miles every day, I'm 31:40 day, I'm 31:40 day, I'm I remember the first time I cooked 31:42 I remember the first time I cooked 31:42 I remember the first time I cooked dinner for my family, how emotional that 31:46 dinner for my family, how emotional that 31:46 dinner for my family, how emotional that was. I literally I cooked and wept and 31:49 was. I literally I cooked and wept and 31:49 was. I literally I cooked and wept and cooked and wept. Just the fact that I 31:51 cooked and wept. Just the fact that I 31:51 cooked and wept. Just the fact that I was able to do things that I, you know, 31:55 was able to do things that I, you know, 31:55 was able to do things that I, you know, had not done for so many months. 31:58 had not done for so many months. 31:58 had not done for so many months. So, it was incredible. 31:59 So, it was incredible. 31:59 So, it was incredible. >> Yeah. 32:00 >> Yeah. 32:00 >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, that's the 32:02 Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, that's the 32:02 Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, that's the reason all of us at the Gupta Program do 32:04 reason all of us at the Gupta Program do 32:04 reason all of us at the Gupta Program do this type of work, to hear these 32:06 this type of work, to hear these 32:06 this type of work, to hear these stories, to see these transformations. I 32:08 stories, to see these transformations. I 32:08 stories, to see these transformations. I mean, 32:09 mean, 32:09 mean, as we know, the 32:10 as we know, the 32:10 as we know, the the level of disruption or disability 32:12 the level of disruption or disability 32:13 the level of disruption or disability that these conditions have on people's 32:14 that these conditions have on people's 32:14 that these conditions have on people's lives is is 32:16 lives is is 32:16 lives is is incredible and it's, you know, 32:18 incredible and it's, you know, 32:18 incredible and it's, you know, underestimated. And to be able to get 32:20 underestimated. And to be able to get 32:20 underestimated. And to be able to get your life back, to be able to do the 32:21 your life back, to be able to do the 32:21 your life back, to be able to do the things you want to do, 32:23 things you want to do, 32:23 things you want to do, I think for us is what we we at the 32:24 I think for us is what we we at the 32:24 I think for us is what we we at the program live for, is to see and hear 32:26 program live for, is to see and hear 32:26 program live for, is to see and hear these uh these stories. 32:28 these uh these stories. 32:28 these uh these stories. >> Yeah. 32:29 >> Yeah. 32:29 >> Yeah. >> Um so, when you first got unwell, like 32:32 >> Um so, when you first got unwell, like 32:32 >> Um so, when you first got unwell, like what 32:33 what 32:33 what what had you tried before that you 32:34 what had you tried before that you 32:34 what had you tried before that you thought might help? Um and what, you 32:38 thought might help? Um and what, you 32:38 thought might help? Um and what, you know, was there anything that did help? 32:40 know, was there anything that did help? 32:40 know, was there anything that did help? >> Yeah, I was fortunate in the fact that 32:42 >> Yeah, I was fortunate in the fact that 32:42 >> Yeah, I was fortunate in the fact that it didn't take long, like Laura, you 32:44 it didn't take long, like Laura, you 32:44 it didn't take long, like Laura, you know, had so many years. I was fortunate 32:47 know, had so many years. I was fortunate 32:47 know, had so many years. I was fortunate that it wasn't that long before I found 32:49 that it wasn't that long before I found 32:49 that it wasn't that long before I found the Gupta Program, but I did work with a 32:51 the Gupta Program, but I did work with a 32:51 the Gupta Program, but I did work with a functional medicine doctor, and she was 32:53 functional medicine doctor, and she was 32:53 functional medicine doctor, and she was using 32:55 using 32:55 using you know, at the time in 2020, they were 32:57 you know, at the time in 2020, they were 32:57 you know, at the time in 2020, they were using off-label medications with 33:01 using off-label medications with 33:01 using off-label medications with off-label uses, you know, that type of 33:03 off-label uses, you know, that type of 33:03 off-label uses, you know, that type of thing. Nothing helped. I only became 33:06 thing. Nothing helped. I only became 33:06 thing. Nothing helped. I only became more and more anxious, more and more 33:08 more and more anxious, more and more 33:08 more and more anxious, more and more debilitated. 33:10 debilitated. 33:10 debilitated. Um, and and it really wasn't until, you 33:13 Um, and and it really wasn't until, you 33:13 Um, and and it really wasn't until, you know, I got on the program that all of a 33:15 know, I got on the program that all of a 33:15 know, I got on the program that all of a sudden, 33:16 sudden, 33:16 sudden, I mean, literally after the first week 33:18 I mean, literally after the first week 33:18 I mean, literally after the first week of doing the seven-step retraining, 33:22 of doing the seven-step retraining, 33:22 of doing the seven-step retraining, I started feeling my energy coming back. 33:25 I started feeling my energy coming back. 33:25 I started feeling my energy coming back. I mean, very, very tiny increments, but 33:28 I mean, very, very tiny increments, but 33:28 I mean, very, very tiny increments, but boy, was that a spark of hope for me. 33:31 boy, was that a spark of hope for me. 33:31 boy, was that a spark of hope for me. You know, it was incredible. 33:33 You know, it was incredible. 33:33 You know, it was incredible. >> That's amazing. 33:35 >> That's amazing. 33:35 >> That's amazing. And 33:36 And 33:36 And what in the program do you think, you 33:39 what in the program do you think, you 33:39 what in the program do you think, you know, we we always use this phrase 33:40 know, we we always use this phrase 33:40 know, we we always use this phrase critical success factors. What do you 33:42 critical success factors. What do you 33:42 critical success factors. What do you think for you were the key 33:45 think for you were the key 33:46 think for you were the key attitudes towards it, or the key tools 33:48 attitudes towards it, or the key tools 33:48 attitudes towards it, or the key tools that really made the biggest difference? 33:51 that really made the biggest difference? 33:51 that really made the biggest difference? >> Well, the seven-step, gosh, I just 33:55 >> Well, the seven-step, gosh, I just 33:55 >> Well, the seven-step, gosh, I just I just 33:56 I just 33:56 I just love the seven-step program. I mean, I 33:59 love the seven-step program. I mean, I 33:59 love the seven-step program. I mean, I love the visualizations. I love the the 34:02 love the visualizations. I love the the 34:02 love the visualizations. I love the the the process of kind of being more in my 34:06 the process of kind of being more in my 34:06 the process of kind of being more in my body as I'm standing there, as I'm 34:09 body as I'm standing there, as I'm 34:09 body as I'm standing there, as I'm disidentifying with the the worried 34:12 disidentifying with the the worried 34:12 disidentifying with the the worried part. I'm able to become the observer of 34:16 part. I'm able to become the observer of 34:16 part. I'm able to become the observer of my thoughts instead of 34:19 my thoughts instead of 34:19 my thoughts instead of so connected to my thoughts. Um, I love 34:23 so connected to my thoughts. Um, I love 34:23 so connected to my thoughts. Um, I love the somatic exercises. Those have been 34:26 the somatic exercises. Those have been 34:26 the somatic exercises. Those have been incredibly helpful for me. I love, you 34:28 incredibly helpful for me. I love, you 34:28 incredibly helpful for me. I love, you know, just 34:29 know, just 34:29 know, just being able to discharge some of that 34:32 being able to discharge some of that 34:32 being able to discharge some of that sympathetic energy that gets stored in 34:34 sympathetic energy that gets stored in 34:34 sympathetic energy that gets stored in the body that has helped me 34:35 the body that has helped me 34:35 the body that has helped me tremendously. 34:37 tremendously. 34:37 tremendously. And I think 34:39 And I think 34:39 And I think um really for me such a a big factor was 34:43 um really for me such a a big factor was 34:43 um really for me such a a big factor was coaching. 34:45 coaching. 34:45 coaching. Group coaching, individual coaching, 34:47 Group coaching, individual coaching, 34:47 Group coaching, individual coaching, being with the a community of people 34:50 being with the a community of people 34:50 being with the a community of people that are going through the same thing 34:52 that are going through the same thing 34:52 that are going through the same thing I'm going through. So I had the coaches 34:55 I'm going through. So I had the coaches 34:55 I'm going through. So I had the coaches that have been through it so they know 34:57 that have been through it so they know 34:58 that have been through it so they know my journey, but they have you know they 35:01 my journey, but they have you know they 35:01 my journey, but they have you know they they've gotten better. You know they're 35:03 they've gotten better. You know they're 35:03 they've gotten better. You know they're 100% so that was inspiring just just 35:06 100% so that was inspiring just just 35:06 100% so that was inspiring just just knowing that it was possible. And then 35:09 knowing that it was possible. And then 35:09 knowing that it was possible. And then secondly, being with other people that 35:12 secondly, being with other people that 35:12 secondly, being with other people that are going through what I'm going through 35:14 are going through what I'm going through 35:14 are going through what I'm going through in real time. You know we're all 35:16 in real time. You know we're all 35:16 in real time. You know we're all encouraging each other. And boy, having 35:19 encouraging each other. And boy, having 35:19 encouraging each other. And boy, having a community 35:21 a community 35:21 a community that was probably I mean the program 35:23 that was probably I mean the program 35:23 that was probably I mean the program itself is powerful, like utterly 35:26 itself is powerful, like utterly 35:26 itself is powerful, like utterly powerful. And 35:29 powerful. And 35:29 powerful. And to support me in that journey, having 35:31 to support me in that journey, having 35:31 to support me in that journey, having that coaching uh was a critical factor. 35:36 that coaching uh was a critical factor. 35:36 that coaching uh was a critical factor. >> Yeah, absolutely. And uh 35:38 >> Yeah, absolutely. And uh 35:38 >> Yeah, absolutely. And uh by the way, so everyone watching if 35:40 by the way, so everyone watching if 35:40 by the way, so everyone watching if you're enjoying today's session, once 35:41 you're enjoying today's session, once 35:41 you're enjoying today's session, once again please do share it on your social 35:43 again please do share it on your social 35:43 again please do share it on your social media. And straight after this, we're 35:45 media. And straight after this, we're 35:45 media. And straight after this, we're going to have a Q&A with myself and also 35:47 going to have a Q&A with myself and also 35:47 going to have a Q&A with myself and also uh Cindy and Nathan are going to join 35:49 uh Cindy and Nathan are going to join 35:49 uh Cindy and Nathan are going to join us. So if you'd like to ask them 35:51 us. So if you'd like to ask them 35:51 us. So if you'd like to ask them questions, ask me questions about the 35:53 questions, ask me questions about the 35:53 questions, ask me questions about the program uh or about recovery in general, 35:56 program uh or about recovery in general, 35:56 program uh or about recovery in general, then please do join us on Zoom. And our 35:57 then please do join us on Zoom. And our 35:57 then please do join us on Zoom. And our team will just share the Zoom link so in 35:59 team will just share the Zoom link so in 35:59 team will just share the Zoom link so in the comments, wherever you're watching 36:01 the comments, wherever you're watching 36:01 the comments, wherever you're watching this uh our team will share the Zoom 36:03 this uh our team will share the Zoom 36:03 this uh our team will share the Zoom link and you can join us straight after. 36:05 link and you can join us straight after. 36:05 link and you can join us straight after. And for those who join us, uh we'll also 36:07 And for those who join us, uh we'll also 36:07 And for those who join us, uh we'll also be sharing a special discount code just 36:09 be sharing a special discount code just 36:09 be sharing a special discount code just for the next few days on the Gupta 36:11 for the next few days on the Gupta 36:11 for the next few days on the Gupta program uh just to in honor of this CFS 36:14 program uh just to in honor of this CFS 36:14 program uh just to in honor of this CFS and uh fibromyalgia awareness day. 36:18 and uh fibromyalgia awareness day. 36:18 and uh fibromyalgia awareness day. So Cindy, what would you say to those 36:20 So Cindy, what would you say to those 36:20 So Cindy, what would you say to those who have chronic fatigue or or kind of 36:22 who have chronic fatigue or or kind of 36:22 who have chronic fatigue or or kind of long COVID in terms of they're feeling 36:25 long COVID in terms of they're feeling 36:25 long COVID in terms of they're feeling stuck, if they've been told, you know, 36:27 stuck, if they've been told, you know, 36:27 stuck, if they've been told, you know, there's no healing, there's no recovery. 36:29 there's no healing, there's no recovery. 36:29 there's no healing, there's no recovery. And in fact, I'm hearing this actually 36:30 And in fact, I'm hearing this actually 36:30 And in fact, I'm hearing this actually in long COVID groups where there's a 36:32 in long COVID groups where there's a 36:32 in long COVID groups where there's a sense of doom and gloom. There's a sense 36:34 sense of doom and gloom. There's a sense 36:34 sense of doom and gloom. There's a sense of, oh, nothing really helps. You 36:36 of, oh, nothing really helps. You 36:36 of, oh, nothing really helps. You perhaps change your diet, perhaps do 36:37 perhaps change your diet, perhaps do 36:37 perhaps change your diet, perhaps do this, but nothing's going to help unless 36:39 this, but nothing's going to help unless 36:39 this, but nothing's going to help unless we have some miracle pill that's that's 36:41 we have some miracle pill that's that's 36:41 we have some miracle pill that's that's going to come along, which is I think 36:42 going to come along, which is I think 36:42 going to come along, which is I think what a lot of people are waiting for. 36:44 what a lot of people are waiting for. 36:44 what a lot of people are waiting for. And I think the chronic fatigue syndrome 36:47 And I think the chronic fatigue syndrome 36:47 And I think the chronic fatigue syndrome sufferers have been through 40, 50 years 36:49 sufferers have been through 40, 50 years 36:49 sufferers have been through 40, 50 years of that, you know, of waiting, waiting 36:51 of that, you know, of waiting, waiting 36:51 of that, you know, of waiting, waiting for this magic pill to come along. You 36:54 for this magic pill to come along. You 36:54 for this magic pill to come along. You know, what advice would you have for 36:56 know, what advice would you have for 36:56 know, what advice would you have for them having gone through this journey? 36:59 them having gone through this journey? 36:59 them having gone through this journey? >> [sighs] 36:59 >> [sighs] 36:59 >> [sighs] >> Oh, I think belief is is a is huge. 37:04 >> Oh, I think belief is is a is huge. 37:04 >> Oh, I think belief is is a is huge. Um, 37:04 Um, 37:04 Um, and I think I was fortunate in the fact 37:08 and I think I was fortunate in the fact 37:08 and I think I was fortunate in the fact that I I actually it was so new at the 37:11 that I I actually it was so new at the 37:11 that I I actually it was so new at the time, so I didn't I wasn't involved in a 37:14 time, so I didn't I wasn't involved in a 37:14 time, so I didn't I wasn't involved in a lot of the doom and gloom on the 37:16 lot of the doom and gloom on the 37:16 lot of the doom and gloom on the Facebook pages, right? 37:18 Facebook pages, right? 37:18 Facebook pages, right? >> Mhm. 37:18 >> Mhm. 37:19 >> Mhm. >> Um, but I think that really helped me 37:21 >> Um, but I think that really helped me 37:21 >> Um, but I think that really helped me because so much of it for me was 37:25 because so much of it for me was 37:25 because so much of it for me was just knowing I was going to get better. 37:27 just knowing I was going to get better. 37:28 just knowing I was going to get better. Like knowing this program 37:30 Like knowing this program 37:30 Like knowing this program was going to help me restore my life. 37:34 was going to help me restore my life. 37:34 was going to help me restore my life. Um, and so that was a big factor. And 37:38 Um, and so that was a big factor. And 37:38 Um, and so that was a big factor. And and again, I would say the coaching. Uh, 37:40 and again, I would say the coaching. Uh, 37:40 and again, I would say the coaching. Uh, you know, just getting right away 37:43 you know, just getting right away 37:43 you know, just getting right away somebody that I can share with uh, 37:48 somebody that I can share with uh, 37:48 somebody that I can share with uh, because it is such an isolating 37:50 because it is such an isolating 37:50 because it is such an isolating condition. Uh, and it didn't seem 37:53 condition. Uh, and it didn't seem 37:53 condition. Uh, and it didn't seem especially in 2020, nobody understood 37:56 especially in 2020, nobody understood 37:56 especially in 2020, nobody understood about what what I was going through. And 37:58 about what what I was going through. And 37:58 about what what I was going through. And that isolation 38:00 that isolation 38:00 that isolation um, really ramped up my nervous system, 38:03 um, really ramped up my nervous system, 38:03 um, really ramped up my nervous system, right? Instead of and the connection, 38:06 right? Instead of and the connection, 38:06 right? Instead of and the connection, the connection with others reg you know, 38:09 the connection with others reg you know, 38:09 the connection with others reg you know, just immediately started helping me 38:10 just immediately started helping me 38:11 just immediately started helping me regulate my nervous system. 38:12 regulate my nervous system. 38:12 regulate my nervous system. >> Yeah, I think that 38:13 >> Yeah, I think that 38:13 >> Yeah, I think that that regulation that you're talking 38:15 that regulation that you're talking 38:15 that regulation that you're talking about there is so important in healing 38:17 about there is so important in healing 38:17 about there is so important in healing because in the modern world we think of 38:19 because in the modern world we think of 38:19 because in the modern world we think of healing like, you know, you're at home 38:21 healing like, you know, you're at home 38:21 healing like, you know, you're at home by yourself in your bedroom or you're in 38:22 by yourself in your bedroom or you're in 38:22 by yourself in your bedroom or you're in a hospital room, and someone's bringing 38:24 a hospital room, and someone's bringing 38:24 a hospital room, and someone's bringing you medications. But in most cultures, 38:26 you medications. But in most cultures, 38:26 you medications. But in most cultures, most civilizations, healing was always 38:28 most civilizations, healing was always 38:28 most civilizations, healing was always part of a community, part of a group, 38:31 part of a community, part of a group, 38:31 part of a community, part of a group, right? Realizing that healing happens at 38:33 right? Realizing that healing happens at 38:33 right? Realizing that healing happens at many different levels, the physical, the 38:34 many different levels, the physical, the 38:34 many different levels, the physical, the emotional, the spiritual, and having 38:37 emotional, the spiritual, and having 38:37 emotional, the spiritual, and having that connection is something that I 38:39 that connection is something that I 38:39 that connection is something that I think is is important part of everyone's 38:41 think is is important part of everyone's 38:41 think is is important part of everyone's journey, and having that understanding 38:42 journey, and having that understanding 38:42 journey, and having that understanding that someone knows what you're going 38:44 that someone knows what you're going 38:44 that someone knows what you're going through, and they they care, and they 38:46 through, and they they care, and they 38:46 through, and they they care, and they want to help you, I think is powerful. 38:49 want to help you, I think is powerful. 38:49 want to help you, I think is powerful. Cuz I remember in 2020, I mean, we were 38:50 Cuz I remember in 2020, I mean, we were 38:50 Cuz I remember in 2020, I mean, we were all in fear. Uh it was a you know, it 38:52 all in fear. Uh it was a you know, it 38:52 all in fear. Uh it was a you know, it was a pandemic. We were we didn't know 38:54 was a pandemic. We were we didn't know 38:54 was a pandemic. We were we didn't know where it was going to go, how people 38:56 where it was going to go, how people 38:56 where it was going to go, how people were going to be affected. And then to 38:57 were going to be affected. And then to 38:57 were going to be affected. And then to suddenly have long COVID after that was 38:59 suddenly have long COVID after that was 38:59 suddenly have long COVID after that was very scary for for many people. And so, 39:02 very scary for for many people. And so, 39:02 very scary for for many people. And so, as you say, that co-regulation with the 39:04 as you say, that co-regulation with the 39:04 as you say, that co-regulation with the coaches, having people who've been on 39:06 coaches, having people who've been on 39:06 coaches, having people who've been on this journey, who can be with you, sit 39:08 this journey, who can be with you, sit 39:08 this journey, who can be with you, sit with you, listen to your story, and 39:10 with you, listen to your story, and 39:10 with you, listen to your story, and inspire you towards recovery, I mean, 39:12 inspire you towards recovery, I mean, 39:12 inspire you towards recovery, I mean, that that is invaluable. And we have 30 39:15 that that is invaluable. And we have 30 39:15 that that is invaluable. And we have 30 to 40 trained coaches around the world 39:17 to 40 trained coaches around the world 39:17 to 40 trained coaches around the world who support people one-on-one. And as 39:18 who support people one-on-one. And as 39:19 who support people one-on-one. And as you say, they do the group coaching as 39:20 you say, they do the group coaching as 39:20 you say, they do the group coaching as well. And the the amount of experience, 39:22 well. And the the amount of experience, 39:22 well. And the the amount of experience, I mean, they've been doing it for 10, 39:24 I mean, they've been doing it for 10, 39:24 I mean, they've been doing it for 10, 15, 20 years. The amount of experience 39:26 15, 20 years. The amount of experience 39:26 15, 20 years. The amount of experience that they've now got from treating 39:28 that they've now got from treating 39:28 that they've now got from treating hundreds of patients, 39:30 hundreds of patients, 39:30 hundreds of patients, uh to me is always always inspires me as 39:32 uh to me is always always inspires me as 39:32 uh to me is always always inspires me as well, that the depth of knowledge from 39:34 well, that the depth of knowledge from 39:34 well, that the depth of knowledge from our coaches. 39:35 our coaches. 39:35 our coaches. >> Yes. 39:36 >> Yes. 39:36 >> Yes. >> Yeah. 39:36 >> Yeah. 39:36 >> Yeah. >> Yeah, they're they're they are such 39:38 >> Yeah, they're they're they are such 39:39 >> Yeah, they're they're they are such great regulators. Be you know, nervous 39:41 great regulators. Be you know, nervous 39:41 great regulators. Be you know, nervous system regulators, because they're calm, 39:44 system regulators, because they're calm, 39:44 system regulators, because they're calm, because they understand. 39:46 because they understand. 39:46 because they understand. Um yes, I totally agree. 39:49 Um yes, I totally agree. 39:49 Um yes, I totally agree. >> Mhm. 39:50 >> Mhm. 39:50 >> Mhm. And so, yeah, finally, what any any 39:53 And so, yeah, finally, what any any 39:53 And so, yeah, finally, what any any words of that you'd like to share with 39:55 words of that you'd like to share with 39:55 words of that you'd like to share with the the people watching right now, 39:56 the the people watching right now, 39:56 the the people watching right now, perhaps they're suffering from some 39:58 perhaps they're suffering from some 39:58 perhaps they're suffering from some chronic condition, perhaps they know 39:59 chronic condition, perhaps they know 39:59 chronic condition, perhaps they know somebody 40:00 somebody 40:00 somebody who is. Any final words you'd like to 40:02 who is. Any final words you'd like to 40:02 who is. Any final words you'd like to share with them? 40:04 share with them? 40:04 share with them? >> I think what I am so grateful for is 40:09 >> I think what I am so grateful for is 40:10 >> I think what I am so grateful for is that this condition 40:14 that this condition 40:14 that this condition kind came about because there was a lot 40:17 kind came about because there was a lot 40:17 kind came about because there was a lot of deeper patterns running in my life 40:21 of deeper patterns running in my life 40:21 of deeper patterns running in my life that were draining my energy that I 40:23 that were draining my energy that I 40:23 that were draining my energy that I didn't even understand. 40:26 didn't even understand. 40:26 didn't even understand. That that even now that I'm 100% 40:30 That that even now that I'm 100% 40:30 That that even now that I'm 100% I I live by that guidance, you know, 40:34 I I live by that guidance, you know, 40:34 I I live by that guidance, you know, more in my life. So it's it's not just 40:38 more in my life. So it's it's not just 40:39 more in my life. So it's it's not just yes, hallelujah, I'm back to, you know, 40:42 yes, hallelujah, I'm back to, you know, 40:42 yes, hallelujah, I'm back to, you know, living a normal life, 40:44 living a normal life, 40:44 living a normal life, but I also understand myself so much 40:47 but I also understand myself so much 40:47 but I also understand myself so much more. Uh I understand, you know, and I 40:51 more. Uh I understand, you know, and I 40:51 more. Uh I understand, you know, and I and I really love and care for myself so 40:53 and I really love and care for myself so 40:54 and I really love and care for myself so much more. I was a the type of person 40:56 much more. I was a the type of person 40:56 much more. I was a the type of person that was always trying to take care of 40:58 that was always trying to take care of 40:58 that was always trying to take care of everybody else so I could feel safe and 41:01 everybody else so I could feel safe and 41:01 everybody else so I could feel safe and now that it's switched with me and I 41:03 now that it's switched with me and I 41:03 now that it's switched with me and I hope for for my life that I really 41:07 hope for for my life that I really 41:07 hope for for my life that I really value my myself. 41:11 value my myself. 41:11 value my myself. And then out of that comes the love and 41:15 And then out of that comes the love and 41:15 And then out of that comes the love and like compassion for myself has helped me 41:17 like compassion for myself has helped me 41:17 like compassion for myself has helped me have more compassion for others, but it 41:19 have more compassion for others, but it 41:19 have more compassion for others, but it has it's really taught me the deeper way 41:22 has it's really taught me the deeper way 41:22 has it's really taught me the deeper way a deeper way to live my life 41:25 a deeper way to live my life 41:25 a deeper way to live my life authentically. 41:30 >> This is so powerful because as you as 41:30 >> This is so powerful because as you as you you've lived in the program, we 41:32 you you've lived in the program, we 41:32 you you've lived in the program, we aren't just about getting people well in 41:34 aren't just about getting people well in 41:34 aren't just about getting people well in terms of a short-term hit of do some 41:36 terms of a short-term hit of do some 41:36 terms of a short-term hit of do some brain retraining, you can heal, but we 41:38 brain retraining, you can heal, but we 41:38 brain retraining, you can heal, but we want people to stay well for the longer 41:40 want people to stay well for the longer 41:40 want people to stay well for the longer term. So we go much deeper into 41:42 term. So we go much deeper into 41:42 term. So we go much deeper into what was the original reasons behind 41:44 what was the original reasons behind 41:44 what was the original reasons behind this 41:45 this 41:45 this What kind of patterns were we running? 41:47 What kind of patterns were we running? 41:47 What kind of patterns were we running? How were we pushing our bodies too hard 41:49 How were we pushing our bodies too hard 41:49 How were we pushing our bodies too hard and what did we learn from that? And 41:51 and what did we learn from that? And 41:51 and what did we learn from that? And often that deeper healing, dare I use 41:53 often that deeper healing, dare I use 41:54 often that deeper healing, dare I use the word spiritual, a deeper spiritual 41:55 the word spiritual, a deeper spiritual 41:55 the word spiritual, a deeper spiritual healing is what then gets people the 41:57 healing is what then gets people the 41:57 healing is what then gets people the longer-term healing for the rest of 41:58 longer-term healing for the rest of 41:59 longer-term healing for the rest of their lives. So it's it's using the 42:00 their lives. So it's it's using the 42:00 their lives. So it's it's using the condition as an opportunity for an even 42:03 condition as an opportunity for an even 42:03 condition as an opportunity for an even deeper self-reflection, which I think 42:05 deeper self-reflection, which I think 42:05 deeper self-reflection, which I think people get a lot from and they the 42:07 people get a lot from and they the 42:07 people get a lot from and they the somatic work that that the parts 42:09 somatic work that that the parts 42:09 somatic work that that the parts retraining all of that is is so 42:11 retraining all of that is is so 42:11 retraining all of that is is so powerful. 42:12 powerful. 42:12 powerful. So, Cindy, thank you so much for your 42:14 So, Cindy, thank you so much for your 42:14 So, Cindy, thank you so much for your being with us today and your inspiring 42:17 being with us today and your inspiring 42:17 being with us today and your inspiring words. It's been, you know, so beautiful 42:19 words. 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