Learn The Role Of Cannabis In Cancer Treatment

Andrew Serafini

Thank you, Dr. Karlfeldt. It’s such a pleasure to be here with you and just excited to where, you know, where things are going. It’s an exciting time and health and wellness.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And for our listeners and viewers. And Mr. Serafini is a veteran, honorably discharged United States Air Force firefighter’s medic, pioneer in the medical cannabis and CBD industry. Since 2014, Andrew has co-founded and launched several CBD companies and brands, focusing on the importance of widespread education for patients and medical professionals alike, while producing medically geared CBD and ADAPTOGEN based products for the management of acute and chronic illnesses. Educating and training physicians, licensed professionals in the U.S., Brazil, Costa Rica and the United Kingdom on the functional and clinical uses of cannabinoids. Andrew has a unique skill set with deep experience with the business of cannabinoids and concurrently understanding the medical uses for cannabinoids across a number of disparaging diseases and holding a cannabis science medicines to tick certification. Robert Lerner, M.D. College of Medicine, University of Vermont. And then, yeah, just a huge amount of training. And in this area, you know, he serves as the chief of education for Global Health Brands and more recently founded Light Dove Ministries, along with his wife, Renee Light. Dove Ministries is a private membership association burst to serve the community with access to safe therapeutics, medical, living and spiritual healing. This is going to be fun. Andrew, I really appreciate this. This can I mean, this is information that is so needed in this space.

Andrew Serafini

Absolutely. You know, there’s been so much deception. Right. A lot of the propaganda that we’ve seen in this COVID era is was largely launched in the early 1900s around cannabis. So there’s so much to dispel and bring clarity around, especially for the practitioner community to really understand how to use cannabinoids to target specific conditions and really drive health and wellness.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

So we have this system called the cannabinoid system. You know what? What does it do and why is that important? And for people dealing with cancer, why? Why should they? Why is it important to support that?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah. So we all have what’s called an endocannabinoid system. In fact, every vertebrate species has an endocannabinoid system. And what the system does, it’s the largest receptor system in the body. It’s a lock and key receptor system in our our bodies are actually designed to have a profound interaction with cannabinoids. You know, imagine that. It’s interesting that that’s been the one thing that’s sort of been prohibited and pushed out of medicine and sits in a schedule one category, meaning it has no medicinal value and has a high propensity for addiction. It’s literally the most hypocritical conversation in existence. And so, you know, when we you know, we look at the endocannabinoid system, this system is like a director, like a to an orchestra, right? All these instruments are playing. And so you’ve got a point of contact, really, you know, making sure that all of these instruments are playing in harmony. So the system manages all of our physiological processes sleep, energy, temperature, mood, executive function. I mean, it’s, it’s really the conductor to our internal, you know, physiological processes. And a lot of times, you know, that’s a killer at the end of the day is inflammation. And so as we have this interaction with cannabinoids and really bring that flame down from a in epigenetic, you know, standpoint. So it’s really modulating, you know, health benefits inside the internal environments. And it’s really it’s primary job is to drive homeostatic function or balance, right? When the body’s in balance, you know, disease is unable to manifest. So when we really look at targeting specific a specific health response, we start really looking at the endocannabinoid system and looking at different cannabinoids to do different things along with her genes.

And so we start to really understand how this system works. We can produce formulations that are specifically targeted to specific areas of the body or internal cancers or, you know, really depending on what the health goal is. And it gives us a lot of adjuvant therapies, right. Or adjunct therapies depending on, you know, what’s the condition at hand that we’re looking for that that that divine equilibrium.Because when we’re in that space, our bodies, not too much. It’s not too little. It’s right in the right place. And that’s really what the endocannabinoid system does. And one of the things that was really interesting, Dr. Karlfeldt, we work with physicians in Brazil, and many of them couldn’t wrap their minds around how could this one compound could do so many things? I mean, CBD alone is now shown to treat 50 to 50 health conditions. And so a lot of these doctors were like, the house is even possible. And it’s not really the compound itself. It’s the system that it has an interaction with. And it’s just incredible to watch that we don’t have to have six, eight, you know, pharmaceutical medications provoke a response that we’re looking for. We can use one very safe, phyto botanical that does a myriad, myriad of things to really bring the body back to balance.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

So with a system and a cannabinoid system, obviously it needs some cannabinoids in order to be able to trigger these receptors. So can it then be that we are actually then when this system is not functioning appropriately, that we’re cannabinoid deficient?

Andrew Serafini

Absolutely. In fact, there’s a syndrome called endocannabinoid deficiency syndrome. So our bodies actually produce our own internal cannabinoids. One of those cannabinoids is anandamide. If you’ve ever meditated or ran and got that runner’s high, that’s the release of Ananda Mind in the Body. It’s this feel good chemical, right? And then the other endocannabinoid is called to ag or to a racket dental glycerol. And this compound really stops the informatic breakdown of anatomy, right? So you have these two things working together to really drive a, you know, not only a health response, but really using our internal bodies to, you know, to manage these physiologic processes. So what’s really interesting as compound called THC or tetrahydrocannabinol is the compound in cannabis that provokes a high or stoned feeling that that compound actually mimics anatomy. Right. They literally mimic each other. 

So as we start to onboard, you know, cannabinoids and really start to look at, you know, what sort of health response are we looking to provoke? You know, everybody’s a little different. There’s no cookie cutter solution. So as you know, these different cannabinoids really have this useful effect, again, to bringing that sense of vitality and balance back to the body, but has just an almost immediate response when it starts to have that interaction with the endocannabinoid system. And there’s other compounds too, like dark chocolate hops, other things that have this interaction. But as our bodies were really purpose built for cannabinoids, it’s it’s really interesting as we look over sort of the historical basis in medicine and go back to the early 1900s, it’s we can see very clearly, you know, that guys like, you know, Rockefeller and and, you know, the Hertz family and others, it was very business driven in terms of how they started to push cannabis out. And they sort of jailing natural, you know, health practitioners and even natural colleges and brought in petroleum based pharmaceutical medicines. And so you drove out the very thing that was that was healing the body. In fact, it was the third most written prescription or formulary in the U.S. Pharmacopeia up until the late 1920s. And now over the last hundred years, it’s really been pushed out up until about 25 years ago where we’re starting to see this really, you know, burgeoning explosion in medical cannabis all over the country.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And in regards to then cancer, if we go into that area, people that are diagnosed or wanting to prevent or they battled it and now there’s no evidence of disease. I mean, how can they benefit from cannabinoids?

Andrew Serafini

So a lot of times, you know, whether it’s symptomatic management or we’re managing, you know, nausea or lack of appetite, insomnia, you know, really looking at two different modes. So if it’s really around symptom management or targeting using cancer and very or using cannabinoids in very high doses to actually kill cancer, it really kind of depends on the health goal specifically. But at the end of the day, it’s really the prevention, you know, business that we’re looking for. And unfortunately, the pharmaceutical industry is not in that business. Right. If there’s no there’s no economics in it. 

But cannabis is essentially food. Right? And so as we start to ingest cannabis and not used as a drug or been used in the propaganda, you know, that’s been really driven around that. But looking at different modalities like even suppositories and topicals and and other ways to ingest cannabinoids, it’s remarkable in terms of prevention and really giving the body what it needs, even though the mood side of this. Right. I think there’s been so much hesitancy around cannabis because it’s been so demonized because of THC primarily. I mean, what’s wrong with a little euphoria and laughter and feeling good when you’re not feeling well? I mean, it’s just kind of it’s upside down and we’re medicine is gone. And, you know, when it’s used properly, there’s not many more compounds that are as safe as cannabis. You’ll never have a death from it because there’s no receptors in the brain stem, like any receptors where you could have a potential cardio respiratory event. So there’s never been a death. In fact, the addiction profile is so low. I mean, it’s like 9% of people may have a psychological effect or 2 to 2 having an addiction to cannabis. And it’s literally the lowest at all of them. I think alcohol is upwards of 30%. So it’s very interesting how things have been set up in our society to kind of push out the things that actually work and bring in the things that poison our bodies and drive and balances.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

So let’s kind of go through so that listeners and viewers can understand how it should be, how it can be used. So let’s say somebody is going through active treatment and they are feeling that need that extra push. You know, they’re dealing with cancer, you know, stage four or they I mean, what ever it may be but they feel that they need that extra layer of attack. How what should they do? I mean, what are some kind of directions you can tell them and how they can bring in, you know, like THC CBD can. I mean, what, what should they do.

Andrew Serafini

Yeah. So really when, when looking at cancer specifically, you know, the cannabis should really be in its most raw format. And so when we, when we look at a specific, you know, cancer case, there’s a term called the Entourage effect. And so a lot of times the pharmaceutical industry will isolate and pull out things to have a predictable outcome. But when it comes to cannabis in this phyto botanical, it’s really all of these chemical constituents working together. And CBD, THC has a profound synergy where you get this one plus one equals seven effect. And so when things are balanced, right, and you’re not overloading, a lot of times people are growing these genetics to have very high levels of THC and that really doesn’t have a medicinal effect. It’s more of a recreational effect. And when we really look at the balance of acidic and active cannabinoids with a good, strong, terpene profile, really provoking that entourage effect, the body really thrives. Right? And so when we see people that are really failing in their appetites or what they call wasting from cancer almost instantaneously by onboarding, you know, a proper balanced cannabinoid protocol, you see people come back to life. I mean, I see people come out of wheelchairs. I’ve seen you would think are miracles, but it’s really just killing the body, what it needs. Right.

And we know that healing is an inside job. So we really connect that to the spiritual piece. At the end of the day, if the soul was unhealthy, we can give all the medicines in the world. It’s only a matter of time before someone sick again. So really looking at the uses of specific ratios of cannabinoids and there’s more than a 114 now identified in specific cannabinoids and a myriad of turbines. Right? So really the treasure trove in medicine and some of the complications that that have arisen is really looking at clinical trials. Right. So one, it’s sitting it’s it sits in the schedule one category which really limits the ability to do clinical research. But it’s really looking at the therapeutic benefits of cannabis when it’s grown outdoors and the God given elements. That’s really what provokes the most therapeutically beneficial, you know, plant or where we derive our art and extract are can and cannabinoids from versus a controlled environment under you know, specific, you know, temperatures and climate. It’s actually the stuff that’s grown outdoors and God knows what he was doing when he, you know, gave us cannabis as a plant and as a medicine. 

But at the end of the day, it’s really looking at how can we not denature or manipulate the molecular compounds of cannabinoids, but really producing a very high quality solvent list, making sure that it’s safe and meaning that there’s no herbicides or pesticides. It’s grown organically, there’s no mycotoxins or microbial. And unfortunately, there hasn’t been a lot of standardization up until the last couple of years. And we took a lot of what was happening in the food industry and sort of mapped that over to, you know, what now is the, you know, Bureau of Cannabis Control here in California and other standardization kind of authorities are making sure that it’s safe and high quality product is always being produced. And unfortunately, it’s like the supplement market, right? It’s not highly regulated. So up until, you know, up to date, it’s kind of been the wild, wild west. And so really working and identifying who are producing high quality, safe products and have a standardization or predictable formulation base for people to have a good selection for and know that they’re going to get what they’re paying.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And so you mentioned that I mean, here you have the cannabis that the whole plant and it should be almost it sounds to me like it should be like the almost the raw juice of the plant that is grown then in an organic environment out outside. And the way that God made it, you know, without using pesticides and mold free and all these kind of things. And obviously, if you don’t use pesticides and you have a good, healthy environment, then you have the immune fighting abilities within the plant itself. So they are less likely to be infected. So it sounds like it’s that type of a plan, that kind of a juice that the individuals should, should, should get them. Is that what I’m hearing?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah. So the juice is great because you really get a high level of the acidic cannabinoids, right. And so you’re basically taking the juice or the leaves straight from the hemp plant and we produce those into a single like smoothie or juice in the morning and it’s full of THC and other raw cannabinoids. So, you know, as some of you may be struggling with a, you know, an aggressive illness like cancer that has to work and stay functioning, you know, having a juice during the day where you’re not getting this intoxicating effect so you can stay functional and then doing some higher THC and CBD compounds at night, you know, where you’re at home, you can bring the body back and back into that parasympathetic state. So when they’re sleeping and resting, the body’s being restored and regenerated. And so there are some strategies, right, in terms of how we can take and use cannabinoids to really tailor to someone’s specific lifestyle and what they’re dealing with, you know, medically or with their health.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Yeah. Can you kind of walk through some of the strategies as you’re consulting with people and obviously people can reach you at the light and Dove Ministries and chat with you directly. So can you kind of walk through some of the strategies that you have is think is appropriate for an individual? And maybe kind of I have some cases that you’ve dealt with and this is sort of a dead end and this is what happened. So people get a feeling for a direction. Yeah, obviously this is not a prescription in a way. And this is not, you know, and you need to consult with your practitioner to to bring this on board, but just to kind of have a feeling of what it should look like.

Andrew Serafini

Yeah, of course. So, you know, looking at somebody’s health picture is really where we start. Right. And a lot of times these clients end up with us and it’s late stage, right. There’s been so much demonization around cannabis. A lot of times this is the last place they end up. And so when they get to us, a lot of times they’re on six, seven, eight, you know, pharmaceutical medications, there’s high levels of toxicity. And so we really got to look at the lifestyle factors and take a multifocal approach. But understanding that cannabinoids in a higher concentration and really a 1 to 1 ratio where you have one part CBD and one part THC, and then there’s the what they call the minor adenoids, things like CBG and CBN having a good genetic right that has a good a myriad of these different cannabinoids. And then really looking at the specific type of cancer. Right. And so, you know, prostate cancer, as an example, we try to produce high quality supports arteries, right? So being able to really target the medicine to the specific area, but using really specific ratios of cannabinoids, even in combination with things like ivermectin or beta glucans in mushrooms, there’s a synergy with these other adaptogens. It’s really kind of funny. We were looking for ways to market cannabinoids early on, right? And so it’s been very hard to even talk openly about CBD and other other cannabinoids because the FDA has been really, you know, shopping and making sure they stay on top of policing everybody. But we started to combine, you know, cannabinoids with things like turmeric and goji berry and other adaptogens and really found that there was incredible synergy, right.

With really bringing the balance back to the body. And as we bring the flame down and we start to really get the inflammation under control, a lot of times the cellular function starts to open up again. And even things like hemp is hugely it just pulls the toxins out of the body. It’s very, very absorbent. And it’s also important for people to understand it’s not just, you know, having a protocol where you just, you know, give somebody cannabinoids and they’re often running it really takes some handholding to make sure that we find the sweet spot of what’s working for folks, making sure that they’re, you know, there’s a break or we call a wash out, right. So if somebody is using cannabinoids for three or four weeks, there’s a tolerance that happens, right? The receptors get used to things. So we take four or five days and let the body reset and then allow that sensitive, sensitive patient to return and really get the maximum, you know, efficiency of the cannabinoids. But it’s really just learning with hands on, you know, what works for each person. What might work for you may not work for me. And so as we look at the future of where medicine is going and identifying clinical trials or whatever that’s going to look like, I do think that medical model is very broken. It’s very prohibitive in terms of doing, you know, clinical trials around natural, you know, phyto botanicals because they’re not patentable.

But at the end of the day, it’s what’s healing people. And so there’s so much anecdotal evidence now all across the country, even in this, the application to the opioid epidemic, you know, and a lot of times cancer patients ends up end up on pain medicines that are driving constipation, that are driving imbalances, but also have huge addiction profiles. And, you know, obviously see the overdose rates and other things that end up, you know, with fatalities in place. And at the end of the day, with a proper medical cannabis program, we’re seeing upwards of 30 to 40% of those numbers coming down from the from the overdose rates and being able to really manage people’s pain with using cannabinoids and other natural therapeutics where we still can maintain that homeostatic function and not worry about the side effects that come with petroleum based medicines or pharmaceutical compounds.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And with the management of pain. I mean, what would be kind of the best strategy for that? I mean, how much should you focus more than on the THC aspect? And how much of a dose should you be doing? What? And obviously, it’s from person to person, you know, small person, big person. But just to kind of give and give a rough idea as to, you know, what can people do? Because you have some people that may not have access to somebody to guide them fully. So then they need to start somewhere. But they have access to these tools.

Andrew Serafini

Absolutely. You know, really, they have found that a 1 to 1 ratio of THC to CBD is really the best for pain management and for those, again, that have to work or be somewhere where they have to remain functioning, we can start to really, you know, bring that down for like an 8 to 1 or 10 to 1 and still really get some high level pain management effects. But at the end of the day, you know, CBD is also a very strong component in hemp. It’s about 40% of the constituency of that plant. And so as we really look at CBD for for reducing inflammation and then have the high caliber weapon of THC to really manage, you know, the pain aspects of things, we look at different options as well, like Mersin and there’s a tripping called Better Carry offline and that that tripping actually modulates the same receptor as THC does. So we can actually do a more targeted approach by if there’s a hesitancy using THC, there’s no psychoactive component using better carry offline. So we can really ramp up that constituent and not have to have huge see at all. Although it does it reduces the the medicinal aspects of it, but it still modulates that same receptor, giving a provoking an immune response where you have this connection between brain and body with the CB1 and CB2 receptors.

So there’s a two primary receptors, there’s several others, what we call orphan receptors. But the main interaction sort of happens with these two primary receptors that are just riddled throughout the brain and the immune system actually throughout the entire body. So as you look for, you know, somebody that’s looking for more of a pain product, again, even looking at if you’re looking at just using a more raw, you know, form of THC with all the acidic and other what we call that entourage effect. That’s that’s great for cancers and other types of aggressive conditions. However, we also have products that we’ve combined with like turmeric and turmeric increases the bioavailability of cannabinoids. So when you start to combine them with like ratio mushroom and other immune provoking compounds, you really get this incredible response of getting the pain to come down. But also really activating the vitality of the system. Right. It’s almost giving people the clarity of mind back. And inflammation, you know, comes down in the pain’s reduced in, anxiety goes down and sleeplessness, you know, goes down. You really start to see improvements in almost every facet of life.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And that’s bringing those other adaptogens and immunomodulators alongside with cannabis. And like you mentioned, you know, it’s not the one plus one equals two. They actually potentiate each other. So at becomes a much stronger effect than if you do them just just the one and then the other, you know, combined that it’s a kind of exponential effect.

Andrew Serafini

Absolutely. Absolutely. They definitely potentiate each other. And, you know, cannabinoids are lipophilic compounds. And so our bodies are made of these lipids that have has this interaction with cannabinoids. So there’s, you know, diet is incredibly important. So we highly recommend a high natural fat diet, things like MCT oil and avocado and other ways to really carry cannabinoids to have a higher level of absorption. That really helps in a number of ways, too, as we reduce the level of inflammation in the body, we highly recommend an alcohol going diet as well, which also reduces inflammation. I’m going again, it’s not everybody’s not the same. So it really depends on the person. But as a general rule of thumb, an alkaline diet with a very targeted approach towards lifestyle factors provokes a very profound response in terms of disease management.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And how does this interact with traditional oncology like radiation, chemo, you know, as other certain rules that you need to follow, you shouldn’t take anything around a during your chemo week or while you’re doing radiation. Or are there certain directions that that’s important to know?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah, that’s a really great question. In fact, there’s an efficiency using cannabinoids with chemo agents, really, depending on the chemo agent that actually improves the efficacy of the chemo drug while protecting collateral damage from the radiation or from the chemo. So you get this regeneration of new cells, which that’s helping drive apoptotic function, but also you’ve got this efficiency with the chemo agent, right? So there is an interaction with the cytochrome p450 liver enzyme process and some commercial medications and there’s really what we have found over the last ten years and most doctors that I’ve talked with, there’s been one that’s not even a profound interaction. It’s a mild interaction with the drug called Plavix. Right. That helps to sort of blood thin the blood out and having a cannabinoid protocol on board, which can ultimately cause more thinning than necessary. But with most medications, there’s a, you know, a milder effect. But as it relates to chemo and radiation, it’s almost I mean, we should all be on CBD or some sort of cannabinoid because of the system that we all have. But at the end of the day, as somebody that’s undergoing some heavy toxic, you know, targeting towards, you know, specifically hitting a tumor or hitting a specific area of cancer, having cannabinoids on board not only helps to improve the efficacy of those drugs, but also helps to protect the internal environment of that system as well by reducing the inflammation again.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And you touched a little bit about on the word apoptosis in regards to cannabinoids. So how does it do that? I mean, we discussed how it modulates and how it regulates the system, brings homeostasis. But then in regards to cancer cells, I mean, there are people they take very high dose of of ag cannabis and, you know, cannabinoids and their tumors are shrinking. How does that happen with something natural like this?

Andrew Serafini

You that’s another great question. And unfortunately, there hasn’t been a lot of clinical research outside of really looking at the most research has really been done around glioblastoma. So this program cell death that happens with the onboarding cannabinoids, we’re still understanding the mechanism of action. Ultimately, it’s with cannabinoids sitting in the schedule. One category has been so prohibitive. And at the end of the day, the government has a patent. It’s a patent 507 showing that cannabis is a non-protected and an antioxidant, yet it has no medicinal value. So we’re in a very hypocritical conversation in terms of, you know, what’s the medical uses of this and really understanding the widespread effects of really having the tumor suppression, even tumor we’ve seen significant shrinkage as in tumors of huge kidney tumors that were reduced down to nothing. The late stage patients that were that didn’t have any options left that once we started to really get our arms around feeding their system, this endocannabinoid system, the results are profound in most cases. And I don’t want to set a false expectation. Everybody’s different in terms of compliance and how their lifestyle factors, metabolic factors, but at the end of the day it is spent the majority of studies and there’s been more than 27,000 excuse me, 27,000 studies showing cannabis.

And the early stages of these studies were to disprove right or discount cannabis because they were trying to continue to push it through the Controlled Substances Act and show that it had no had no real effects. But they were using this really subpar material and they were still getting amazing results in these different studies. So thankfully now, doctors like Sue Sicilia, who’s doing incredible work in PTSD management, Dr. Bonnie Goldstein I mean, there are several high level practitioners are really doing good work and it changed their whole modality around clinical practice. And I’ve onboarded, you know, cannabinoids as a primary, you know, therapy for their patients. And we’re getting, you know, miraculous results.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And in regards to and I know that you would when you work with patients, I mean, obviously you have the cannabinoids. And I like to say, you can’t set, you know, false expectations, but it’s a true for any kind of therapy. There’s no therapy yet out there. We can say, you take this, you’re going to be cured from cancer. You know, there’s nothing, nothing out there that exists. But it’s also interesting to see then the potential that it has. You know what, people have experience. And obviously what we want to explore are what are some of the more powerful therapies out there? And then as we kind of have these discussions, then to combine them in an appropriate manner to then really aggressively address the environment or whatever it is that is bringing cancer forth and allowing it to proliferate so we can kind of change that pattern?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah, absolutely. And I think too, with just sort of the degradation of Western medicine over the last three years, I think we’ve really seen and opened our eyes to a standard of care that’s not meant to heal and harm. And so we’ve really been developing therapeutics outside of that. If the system breaks or or power goes down or whatever, what are we get? What tools are we going to have in our tool belt to help your people? And cannabis is something we can grow in our own yards. We can teach people how to genetically, you know, make a specific type of, you know, cannabinoid profile and really give people tools. You know, at the end of the day, we’re where America has gone. And unfortunately, you know, being a veteran of this country and watching sort of the swirling of what’s happened with, you know, the moral framework of America, especially around medicine, has been highly, highly alarming. And so we’ve had to go out to, you know, look at things that really work and heal, heal our bodies. You know, we actually had our own. My wife was very, very sick for three years. And it took us 32 doctors until we finally came to the point of, no, we’re going to figure this out on our own, because all they want to write is Cymbalta and Gabapentin and all these other drugs. And at the end of the day, it’s all driving an additional imbalances wrench, never bringing back the body back to that place of balance and unfortunately, that’s where, you know, cannabinoids and other therapeutics have this strong interaction to do that.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Is that what started your journey? This journey?

Andrew Serafini

That was a big part of it, yeah. My wife actually worked. She was my girlfriend at the time. My wife is the first CBD company in the United States that actually went state to state legalizing CBD. And we found a loophole that if it was mature, extracted from the mature stock in the seed and it was imported from outside of the United States at that time, that technically it was legal. And she was you know, she would come home with all these stories. And I’m like, you know, being a being a former medic, I’m like, this is impossible. It’s too good to be true. And I had just severed all the tendons in my foot. So I was stuck on the couch and I started just reading and understanding the science. And I just couldn’t believe it that how has this information been buried and pushed down for so long? And people have just have largely just blindly trusted what people have told them, rather than researching and really looking into, you know, the treasure trove of medicine that’s in cannabis.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

And I know one of the components that you really like to bring in is, the divine aspect, the spiritual foundation along side with using powerful tools like this. And and I’ve really I mean, I’ve had patients that stand in your direction and they can’t say enough, you know, and, you know, you pray with them and you guide them in these areas and tell me a little bit more why why you feel that is important in regards to a patient’s journey to heal and become whole?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah, of course. You know, you know, being a pastor, my aim and mission in life is to pursue truth and to pursue the person of truth as Jesus, as the way the truth and the life. And so as we really integrate the spiritual components of, you know, a lot of times diseases driven by emotional and resolve, it’s driven by unforgiveness, it’s driven by things that we harbor resentment. And so as we bring in the guy that has the instruction manual one, the one that made each one of us and made us fearfully and wonderfully, the layers start to come down, right? People start to engage with the one that created them. And it’s so, so important that people understand not only are they being spiritually supported, but that somebody cares. You know, the average time with a traditional doctor in a in a in a practice is 4 minutes, you know, and nine out of ten diagnoses are being written wrong. And then they’re giving the wrong drugs for the wrong diagnosis. It’s like, oh, my gosh, this is an ecosystem of repeat customers, right? It’s a business in terms of where medicine has gone. And at the end of the day, as we really bring in truth and bring in a spiritual connection, we start to see. I mean, almost every time I start praying with somebody at the end, they’re weeping. Right. And you start to see, wow, why is this why is this so profoundly impactful? Because a lot of times they haven’t even had that connection before where they’re finally having, you know, an interaction with the one that actually actually made them and stitch them together. So it’s really the macro level piece. And then we start we can add therapeutic and good food and lifestyle factors, but it’s the soul that really has to be connected. And, you know, in fact, when I ended up in cannabinoids, I had a very interesting conversation with the Lord. I’m like, this is the furthest thing. And I thought being a pastor where I would be and it was like the Holy Spirit so clearly spoke to me and he said when I was the son of man was I had compassion on the people and I heal the sick. And this is such an amazing tool to heal the sick. And so that was it’s really been our driving force and being that to amplify the truth around, you know, the deception and propaganda that has surrounded of cannabis and other health, you know, modalities, but really driving being able to bring the spiritual component into health and wellness and give people a fighting chance at taking down a very could be a very terminal disease.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I love it. Well, Andrew, you are such an amazing fighter and you use such an incredible resource. Where can people go to kind of learn more in regards to what are good use of and a can of cannabinoids, you know, what quality, what companies, what where can people go for that?

Andrew Serafini

Yeah. So we have two brands. We have a medical brand that’s just for medical practitioners and that brand is cytogenmd.com. And that’s a wholesale program so that medical professionals, even someone’s personal trainer to a full on anesthesiologist or doctor can onboard these products in their practice or they can use our virtual system to service their patients with our other line of products is direct to consumer and that line of products is thehmbstore.com and be mindful we’re actually taking these two companies and we’re putting them under what’s called the private membership association that lives under Light Dove Ministries. That’s really been our driving force is to provide access to things like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and budesonide and things that are are safe for bringing that the body back into that that place of balance without having to sort of roll our sleeves up and take a poison that they’re trying to push on all of us. So we operate in terms of we’re outside of the state and federal framework. We’re a completely private organization that doesn’t pay taxes and allows us to have a direct interaction with our consumers or our clients and to be able to provide these things that may be being blocked or being censored by our good old government.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

I love it all. Thank you so much, Andrew. I really appreciate what you’re doing and what you’re standing for. Thank you.

Andrew Serafini

Thank you, Dr. Karlfeldt. Appreciate all that you’re doing and all the work that you’ve done with Dr. Judy and other all the other doctors across this country. You guys are heroes, so thank you so much.

Michael Karlfeldt, ND, PhD

Well, thank you.