Full Transcript Inflammation, Cell Danger Response, and Chronic Illness 0:00 Infections, toxins, lifestyle issues, structural integrity issues, diet, genetic tendencies, all of these things are creating inflammation. 0:09 Even one of these things chronically is going to create significant inflammation in the body. 0:15 You put all five of these together and then we get epigenetic expression due to significant inflammation. 0:23 We want inflammation and we want oxidative stress at the right time. 0:28 to contain the insults to protect our body, but the inflammation, oxidative stress, it needs to be transient, it needs to stop. 0:38 In these patients, their immune system does not know how to stop, and that's about being stuck in cell danger response one, 0:45 the inflammatory part of the healing cycle. 0:48 So now, They've got inflammation on repeat. 0:52 Hi, and welcome to the Lime Bites podcast, where we shine a light on the misunderstood science of Lyme and other vector borne diseases, 1:00 as well as the truths that many still miss. 1:03 I'm Dr. 1:04 Mariah Hinchy, naturopathic physician and fellow of the Medical Academy of Pediatric Special Needs. 1:10 I specialize in treating chronic Lyme disease as well as other complex inflammatory conditions. 1:17 In this podcast, we break down what's working and what's not. 1:20 We share the facts that most people miss, we challenge outdated thinking, and we give both patients and practitioners the tools to heal smarter.
Podcast Introduction and Guest Background 1:30 So let's get into it and change the way we heal Lyme. 1:36 Hi, and welcome to another episode. 1:38 I'm your host, Dr. 1:39 Mariah Hinchy. 1:40 And today we're going to be talking about Lyme and Mold and how to decipher if you have Lyme or Mold or both. 1:47 Joining us in this discussion is expert Dr. 1:50 Nafisa Parpea. 1:52 And she is the Director of Naturopathic Medicine at Gordon Medical Associates, which is the premier Lyme disease tick-borne illness and environmentally 2:02 acquired illnesses clinic on the West Coast. 2:04 She is a leading expert on peptide therapy for complex chronic conditions. 2:10 Welcome Dr. 2:10 Nafisa. 2:11 Tell our audience a little bit about how you got involved in treating Lyme and other vector-borne illnesses. 2:19 First of all, thank you Dr. 2:20 Moriah for having me. 2:21 It's such a pleasure to be here. 2:24 So I started a long time ago when I was, this was about 2012, I was in Dr. 2:31 Dietrich Klinghart's clinic and I wanted to learn from him on how to treat complex chronic illness. 2:38 I went to naturopathic school but knew I needed to learn a lot more because I wanted to do more than primary care. 2:47 And so I started there, and then I went to Dr. 2:50 Isaac Elias's clinic in 2014 to 16, and he mentored me on detoxification therapies. 2:58 I put the work of those two mentors together. 3:01 It really created my own practice from 2014 onwards. 3:07 And I'm sure more of this will come up as we talk. 3:12 Wonderful. 3:12 Thank you for sharing. 3:13 And yes, having those two as mentors. 3:17 Yeah, I'd love to sit down and pick your brain more someday. 3:20 So why don't we start out with, you know, there's so many symptoms that overlap between Lyme and co-infections as well as mycotoxin illness. 3:29 So let's start with the basics. 3:32 Tell us what you would consider to be the most common symptoms of Lyme as well as mycotoxin illness. 3:38 And then tell us if there are any sort of hallmark signs or symptoms that you can use to try to decipher between the two. 3:47 Absolutely. 3:48 So when people have chronic Lyme, a lot of the times they don't even know that they have chronic Lyme. 3:54 They just have these symptoms that seem to affect every system of their body. 3:59 They might not have even been tested for Lyme, but they come in, they say things like, I have brain fog, I have nausea, I have pain that wanders from joint 4:10 to joint, from muscle to muscle. 4:12 One day it's my left knee, another day it's my right shoulder. 4:16 And I really don't know when it's going to be or what area it's going to be. 4:20 I get numbness and tingling in my body, usually my hands or my feet. 4:25 And I don't feel like being social anymore. 4:27 I feel isolated. 4:28 So these are typical symptoms of Lyme, but we'll talk more later about how it's so much more than that. 4:35 But usually we've got multiple systems affected. 4:39 We've got symptoms in these multiple systems of the body. 4:43 There's no diagnosis that has been given to the patient. 4:47 The patient says, I've gone to doctor after doctor. 4:50 They just tell me I have anxiety. 4:52 I should just take an antidepressant. 4:54 Or they tell me it's just that I have a sleep problem. 4:57 So sure, people have anxiety and sleep problems as well, but that's not where it begins or where it ends when they have a diagnosis like chronic Lyme.
Lyme vs Mold Symptoms and Hallmark Signs 5:07 I would say one of the hallmarks of chronic Lyme disease would be the wandering pain in different parts of the body. 5:14 And it's random, very random. 5:17 The sleep issues as well, the brain fog. 5:19 When it comes to mycotoxin illness, these two can mimic each other, that's for sure. 5:24 They're both so neurotoxic, they're both so pro-inflammatory. 5:28 But a lot of the times, people who have mold and mycotoxin issues, I see more issues in their sinuses. 5:37 That's kind of a telltale sign. 5:39 They're going to have the similar symptoms I just described. 5:42 If somebody's somebody with Lyme, usually they've got both, but the sinuses are or the lungs or the ears. 5:51 That's a big sign to me that mold is involved. 5:53 And so when you're talking about these areas, are we talking about, you know, feeling like you have a sinus infection or pressure in your sinuses or, 6:04 you know, feeling like you're underwater, you know, that feeling where you feel like you're underwater with your ears or having like chronic chest congestion, 6:11 cough? 6:12 What in particular are you talking about or is it kind of like a combination of all of those things? 6:17 I'd say what you described is a combination of all of them. 6:20 Some people, they have significant pain in their sinuses, and it's actually due to cavitations in their jaw. 6:30 They've got dental issues. 6:33 But on top of that, they've got mold. 6:36 So if there's a lot of pain in there, I'm thinking, okay, I'm going to test for what kind of colonizations you have in your sciences, 6:43 but let's also look at the teeth. 6:45 Some people have a chronically runny nose. 6:47 Some people, it's very hard for them to take a breath in through their nose. 6:52 Some people, they have issues in their lungs. 6:55 They have a chronic cough. 6:56 So it manifests differently in different people. 7:00 Are you ready to revolutionize your approach to diagnosing and healing complex chronic inflammatory illnesses in both adults and children? 7:08 The Lime Bites Symposium is your gateway to cutting-edge education, groundbreaking research, and innovative therapeutic solutions. 7:16 Join us at Lime Bites Symposium. 7:20 at the Fort Lauderdale Marriott Pompano Beach Resort and Spa. 7:24 Lion Bites is the premier functional medicine conference on complex, chronic, infection-driven inflammatory illnesses. 7:31 This year's meeting is jam-packed with leading industry experts discussing lung COVID, mycotoxin illness, PANS Pandas, as well as Lyme and other vector-borne diseases. 7:41 This conference will arm you with the knowledge, clinical pearls, and practical solutions that you can implement immediately into your practice Monday 7:50 morning that will literally change your patients' lives and get them on their path to true healing. 7:55 So join us at Pompano Beach or virtually from anywhere. 7:59 Register now at LymeBytes.com. 8:02 That's L-Y-M-E-B-Y-T-E-S dot com. 8:07 So what do you do when you have a patient that comes in and they're presenting with what could easily be either Lyme or mold? 8:19 I'm going to test them for both. 8:21 At this point, you know, well, before I test them, I'm going to ask them a multitude of questions. 8:27 I'm going to ask them about their environmental history. 8:30 When I'm thinking about mold, I am going to ask them, have you ever lived in a home where there's been water damage? 8:35 People will say, no, no, I haven't lived in mold. 8:39 And I think it's really important for people to understand that your house can look clean. 8:44 It can be pristine. 8:45 It can be new. 8:47 You could have it cleaned very regularly. 8:49 It's not about how clean or dirty you are, but mold is prevalent in the cleanest of homes. 8:56 There could have been water damage and you didn't know. 8:59 So I'm asking about exposures. 9:03 I'm asking, have you had a tick bite? 9:05 Where did you grow up? 9:07 A lot of people or they think they haven't had a tick bite, but then when we test them for tick-borne disease, we find out that sure enough, 9:15 they did at some point, the tick bite could have been on their head or the back of their neck, a place that they wouldn't have noticed it. 9:22 So I'm taking a clear history first, and then based on that history and based on their symptoms, then I'm going to order testing. 9:31 And so, you know, you talk about people not knowing that they were bit by a tick. 9:36 And I think the statistic is like less than half of people who are diagnosed with Lyme and co-infections ever remember a tick bite or a rash or anything 9:45 like that. 9:46 But why do you think it is that some people get bit by a tick or you know, live in an environment or work or drive a car that has had water damage and 9:58 has had mold, and they're fine and they never have symptoms, while others have such an extreme and devastating reaction to either mycotoxins or a vector-borne disease. 10:14 And so we see these patients in our practice, right? 10:17 They come in and they were bit by a tick 10 years ago. 10:22 All of a sudden they're in chronic Lyme. 10:24 But the past 10 years, they were healthy. 10:27 Or we then see patients who we see it on the labs, but they're healthy. 10:32 There's no evidence in their walking normal life that they've had tick-borne disease. 10:37 So some people react horribly to this and some people are fine. 10:42 Or the other evidence is people's home. 10:46 We have people who are members of the same family living in the same home. 10:50 One person just has a sniffly nose and the other person, the whole life is taken down because there was mold. 10:58 So I think it's really important to think about chronic illness versus acute illness and in the acute model of care, A goes to B, 11:07 goes to C. 11:08 It's a predictive model. 11:10 Most people's bodies are going to behave the same. 11:12 Broken bones, heart attacks, an acute infection for the most part. 11:17 Most of us are going to have similar symptoms and there's going to be one treatment that's going to be the same for everybody. 11:24 But when somebody has a complex chronic illness, I think of this, they're in this black box of healing.
Testing, Exposure History, and Why Some People React 11:31 The illness has become their own stick. 11:34 It's because there are multiple things going on at the same time. 11:38 It's not just lime. 11:40 It's not just mold. 11:40 In fact, I think that we should be able to live side by side with these bugs, with these microbes. 11:46 And we did. 11:47 We were able to do that up until 25, 30 years ago, which is when suddenly we start to see people with these mysterious illnesses. 11:58 And I think there's a really good reason for that, which I'm about to get into. 12:03 Yes, please do. 12:04 Yeah. 12:04 So I tell my patients, there's five reasons you can be sick. 12:08 And most of my patients have all of these going on concurrently. 12:11 They have infections, not just Lyme and co-infections, but they've got multiple chronic infections, Lyme, co-infections, 12:19 multiple viruses, could be Epstein-Barr virus, cytomegal virus. 12:24 bacterial infections, funguses, parasites, and in different locations of the body. 12:30 So colonizations in the sinuses, the lungs, the ears, on the skin, mold, for example, can be in all of these places, or there can be occult dental infections, 12:41 microbiome imbalances. 12:43 Tick-borne disease love the connective tissue and nerves, so they've got these multiple chronic infections and multiple systems of the body, 12:52 and nobody's diagnosed that until they come to someone like you or me. 12:56 So they've got multiple infections. 13:00 They have a high environmental toxin load, glyphosate, metals, solvents, pesticides, very, very common. 13:09 They've got structural integrity issues. 13:11 So a lot of them have tight fascia or old injury sites. 13:15 So now they're not getting appropriate blood flow or oxygenation or lymphatic flow. 13:20 If you've got an injury here, think how close that is to the brain. 13:25 We're not getting enough lymphatic flow or oxygenation here, right? 13:30 This is an area I've seen patients with a lot of brain fog issues, cognitive issues on top of everything else we've just talked about, 13:39 or a lot of them have lax ligaments, hypermobility syndromes, Now, the chemicals from mast cells can tenderize the ligaments. 13:47 So if the ligament over here holding up the brain stem is more lax than normal because you've got a bunch of inflammatory chemicals tenderizing it, 13:57 then they're going to have a tendency to cranial cervical instability. 13:59 So the structural piece is really, really important and I think forgotten. 14:04 So they've got infections, toxins, structural integrity issues, issues in lifestyle that could mean that they have poor sleep. 14:13 Most of them do have poor sleep. 14:14 It could mean that they have had adverse childhood events. 14:18 Most of these patients have had adverse childhood events, not that that has caused the Lyme or the tick-borne illness, but it's that people tend to be 14:27 more open to these things due to immune dysregulation from those, or they have current stresses. 14:33 poor diet. 14:34 Most of our patients have their diet dialed in by the time they've come to us, but over the years it's been a standard American diet. 14:41 And then there's genetic susceptibilities. 14:43 So they've got all of these issues going on at once. 14:46 It's not just the line. 14:47 It's not just the mold. 14:48 It's creating stress in the system, immune dysregulation, constant inflammation. 14:54 So the people who have had a tick bite and they're just fine, they're not going to end up in my office or your office. 15:03 They don't have these other stressors going on. 15:07 They just have mostly the tick bite and they're fine. 15:09 So I think that's important to understand. 15:12 Are you suffering from Lyme disease or another complex chronic illness and aren't sure who to trust when it comes to herbal supplements? 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18:25 And I think we've been dancing around the answer to that.
Five Root Causes of Chronic Inflammation 18:30 Absolutely. 18:31 So we'll cut straight to the chase, but actually it is a road of discussion before we get there. 18:37 So people have these multiple root causes, right? 18:42 Infections, toxins, lifestyle issues, structural integrity issues, diet, genetic tendencies. 18:49 All of these things are creating inflammation. 18:51 Even one of these things chronically is going to create significant inflammation in the body. 18:57 You put all five of these together and then we get epigenetic expression due to significant inflammation. 19:05 I'm talking about the cell danger response, cell danger response part one, right, CDR1. 19:10 We want inflammation and we want oxidative stress at the right time to contain the insults to protect our body. 19:19 But the inflammation, oxidative stress, it needs to be transient. 19:24 It needs to stop in these patients. 19:28 their immune system does not know how to stop. 19:30 And that's about being stuck in cell danger response one, the inflammatory part of the healing cycle. 19:37 So now they've got inflammation on repeat. 19:42 That inflammation creates more immune dysregulation. 19:45 So now when I'm talking about immune dysregulation, I'm saying Our patients have simultaneously a hyperactive immune system and a weak immune system. 19:55 So on one hand, it's hyperactive. 19:57 They've got autoimmune conditions. 19:59 They've got mast cell activation syndrome. 20:02 They've got hypersensitivities to many, many things. 20:05 That's a hyperactive immune system. 20:07 On the other hand, the immune system is weaker. 20:10 They can't mount the appropriate immune response to take care of the multiple infections they've got. 20:17 They've got Hashimoto's and rheumatoid arthritis, Mass Cell Activation Syndrome, hyperactivity. 20:23 On the other hand, they've got cytomegalovirus, Epstein-Barr virus, mycoplasma, mold issues, Lyme and co-infections, the weak immune system all at the 20:34 same time. 20:35 So, it is absolute chaos in the immune system. 20:39 There are multiple signals that are going off, immune signals that are going off inappropriately in the immune system. 20:49 Now, what happens from there, we get these secondary illnesses, which are now illnesses in their own right. 20:56 Diagnoses like long COVID, chronic Lyme, mold illness. 21:01 chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia. 21:04 These are illnesses on their own that they've been created due to the cell danger response being stuck, the inflammation being stuck. 21:14 The cell danger response, I'm not going to say stuck. 21:16 Stuck in loops is what I'm trying to say. 21:19 Multiple loops of inflammation going off in multiple different systems of the body now. 21:25 So I want to tie that back into, the root causes, right? 21:30 The root causes are over here, right, on this side. 21:33 Over here is the inflammation that they have caused, the cell danger response being stuck in loops of inflammation, oxidative stress, 21:41 creating immune dysregulation. 21:43 Over there are the secondary diseases. 21:46 So now so often we're like, okay, I'm going to remove these root causes, Say, just for simplicity, a person has lime mold and metals, 21:56 usually it's much more than this if there are patients, but they've got these three things. 22:00 We've removed the trigger, but the patient is still stuck over here with the diagnosis of chronic fatigue syndrome, fibromyalgia, 22:08 and their body is acting like they still have Lyme disease. 22:12 Those symptoms that we first talked about at the beginning of this interview, right, the wandering pain throughout the body, 22:19 the brain fog, the fatigue, the nausea, these symptoms, they're still going on, even though the Lyme is gone. 22:28 We see it in the labs. 22:30 We know it's been treated. 22:32 So one thing I think that's really important to understand is the body has this neurotic tendency, these neurotic tendencies, 22:40 right? 22:40 Once the body learns a pattern, it's easy to go back there. 22:45 I tell my patients, it's like you had your first primary triggers, lime, mold, and metals, for example. 22:51 They lit up Christmas lights along the pathway. 22:54 of your immuno, your immune, along the symptomatic, sorry, the symptomatic pathways of your, of your neuroimmunological system. 23:03 Those are your symptoms, right? 23:06 We remove the triggers. 23:09 The Christmas lights start to dim. 23:12 They turn off. 23:14 But in comes the next trigger, could be COVID, could be a huge emotional stress, a divorce, whatever it is that's going to create immune dysregulation. 23:23 It has access to that switch. 23:25 Again, it can turn that pathway on again. 23:27 So it appears that you have lime mold and metals again, but this time it's something else. 23:34 Now it's about the person and their pathways that have been turned on. 23:38 And Dr. 23:38 Navio talks. 23:40 about this, he talks about how once the ATP from inside the mitochondria gets sent outside as the first step of the cell danger response to send a warning 23:53 signal to the rest of the body, hey, we've got a problem here, there's inflammation here, this now happens more easily, the signal to send ATP externally. 24:05 becomes more accessible. 24:07 It's kind of like blowing up a balloon. 24:08 I tell my patients the first time you blow up a balloon, your cheeks are going to hurt, you're blowing it, it hurts. 24:14 By the time you've blown that same balloon up four times, it's easy. 24:17 So it's the same way with the body. 24:21 The inflammation is stuck even though the root causes are gone. 24:25 Yeah, that's a really good analogy. 24:29 So how do you approach this?
Why Symptoms Persist After Triggers Are Removed 24:35 This is, you know, it's different for each person. 24:38 I think the first thing we need to do is to approach that person with our own clarity. 24:44 You said maybe 10 minutes ago, something to the effect of these patients have been told there's nothing wrong with you, right? 24:51 They've been gaslit for years. 24:53 There's nothing wrong with you. 24:55 Look, your CBC and your CMP look normal. 24:58 I think that one of the most important things is that the patient feels safe, and it starts with us. 25:09 They feel safe in the presence of us, their doctor. 25:13 So I think it's important that we do our own internal work to keep ourselves clear and non-judgmental, and offer a loving, 25:22 safe space to our patients. 25:25 That's step number one. 25:26 Once the patient feels witnessed, heard, seen, safe, they can breathe much more easy. 25:35 There's a level of anxiety that goes away. 25:39 There's trust. 25:41 That's important. 25:43 then some people want to dive right into working on the nervous system and working on emotions and working on a spiritual path. 25:53 Some people don't want to do that for a while, and I think that that comes in whenever it's right for the patient. 25:58 So that could be one of the first things I'm doing. 26:01 One of the first things I am usually doing is having them work on structural integrity. 26:07 So we have some amazing We have an amazing body worker and healer who works with us at our clinic and his hands on therapies are incredible. 26:16 And just being able to feel where it is in the structure that the problems are and releasing them. 26:24 really helps a great deal. 26:25 Starting there, another place I'm starting is on the immune system over here, this pathway where inflammation is on repeat. 26:34 It's nonstop. 26:36 So if I start here with removing triggers, which means killing bugs or detoxification, Doing that creates inflammation. 26:46 Doing that is going to create a release of biotoxins and mycotoxins and neurotoxins, and they'll be byproducts of dying cells and dying bugs. 26:55 The patient is already highly inflamed. 26:58 So if I start to kill the infections right away, I'm further agitating a system that's already inflamed. 27:04 So I'm using a lot of peptide therapies to calm the inflammation down. 27:09 At first, it absolutely is band-aid therapy, those peptides. 27:12 When you've got a bunch of triggers are fantastic band-aids. 27:17 But then when we remove the triggers, the peptides begin to retrain the immune system, that is for sure. 27:25 But then I start to detoxify the patient and then I start to treat the infections and it's all layered on top of each other. 27:32 It's very much a dance. 27:34 It's different for each person, but that's generally how I'm going to work with people. 27:41 Yeah, I love that. 27:42 And I want to point out for everyone listening, the last thing that you said was focusing on if there's still an infection, 27:52 killing the pathogens. 27:54 Because if you don't go through all the steps and prepare the body to be able to handle the endotoxins or biotoxins that they're going to release, 28:05 they're going to become more inflamed, more immune dysregulation, and you're actually making the patient more hospitable to the infections and allowing 28:17 the infections to really get deeper and actually thrive. 28:21 So just pointing that out to everybody, you have to prepare the body and get through the steps before and make sure that that person is detoxing before 28:31 you start trying to kill things and mobilize toxins out of the body. 28:36 Right? 28:36 How often is it that you have a patient who's come in to you, right? 28:40 And they've said, I have somebody just use a lot of antibiotic therapies on me, didn't do any detox, didn't do any immune modulation, 28:49 and now I'm in a mess. 28:51 People say that, or so many times, or I have people come in, they're like, just do it. 28:58 Just kill the bugs right away. 29:00 I'm like, then you come to the wrong person. 29:05 I can't do that for you right when you're not you're going you are going to go running away from me if I do that right you're not going to like this process 29:12 you're not going to be able to tolerate it no and you know the crazy thing is is you know for for a long you know so I've been doing this for like 17 years 29:20 and for a period. 29:22 If a patient just wanted to hunker down and push through a HERX, I'd say okay. 29:27 And I'm not the type of doctor that stops treatment during a HERX.
Treatment Approach: Safety, Structure, Detox, and Immune Support 29:30 I'm the type of doctor that's going to really, really push alkalinization, anti-inflammatory, and detox when somebody is HERXing. 29:38 But Going back to what I was saying, it's funny because the patients that just want to push through, it's like, but realize that it's not about being tough. 29:48 It's not about will. 29:50 It's not about pushing through. 29:52 It's like, if you're herxing, you are actually driving these pro-inflammatory cytokine levels through the roof, causing cell damage. 30:02 causing damage to your body, causing oxidative stress, causing all of these things that is completely working against you. 30:10 And you're actually going to be worse off on the other side of it. 30:14 So I think it's so important to understand the physiology of a HERX and what you really need to do from all of these different angles to be able to resolve 30:25 it so that we're not causing further damage. 30:28 Right? 30:28 I think that when we allow someone to keep herxing, to keep pushing through without having the detox and the immune stabilization that's needed during 30:37 that herx, we're just going to cause those infections to fester even more because you're then creating the conditions for that even more. 30:45 You can't get rid of the infections when that's going on. 30:49 Exactly. 30:49 Exactly. 30:50 And there's obviously no healing occurring. 30:52 Right. 30:54 So, I want to talk about Gordon Medical Associates and all that you do there, all of the different modalities that you offer. 31:04 But first, before we get there, if there was just sort of one thing in summary that you would say to our listeners struggling with, 31:12 whether it's Lyme and vector-borne disease or mycotoxin illness or really any complex chronic illness, what would it be? 31:20 What would your advice be? 31:22 The first piece of advice would be for you to know internally, deep from within, know that there is hope. 31:28 There are doctors like Dr. 31:31 Mariah, myself, the doctors at my clinic who have been working with people just like you for a long, long time. 31:38 To us, this is not out of the ordinary. 31:42 It is our ordinary. 31:44 It's what we see every day and we walk people through this. 31:48 The other thing is, is that it's a journey. 31:51 I think it's really important to understand when you're working with us, you are literally in for a healing journey. 31:59 We're working on the physical pieces, we're working on the biochemical, the genetic, all of this, but something in you? 32:06 I say that in a good way, right? 32:08 Something shifts beautifully. 32:11 It's very rare that I've seen a patient, I think probably never, where they've come out on the other side, they're healed, 32:18 and they're stronger on the inside. 32:21 They're more in tune with themselves, more in tune with the world. 32:24 They can manifest things for their life much easier. 32:28 So there's something on the other side. 32:30 You don't know what that is yet, but there's something magical in this healing process, and I think it's important. 32:36 The people understand that. 32:38 I don't know if this is going to come out right, but like what's coming to mind is that like there's almost like, I think like we all feel like entitled 32:47 to our lives, you know what I mean? 32:49 And it's like after you've been through something like this, like there is just like immense gratitude that like you're alive and you're not in pain and 32:57 you're not suffering anymore. 32:59 And I think it changes your whole mindset. 33:03 you know, and kind of it just puts everything in perspective and somehow like that is very, very healing. 33:10 I agree with you there. 33:12 Absolutely. 33:12 Yeah. 33:15 All right. 33:15 So tell us, what do you guys do there at Gordon Medical Associates? 33:20 What modalities do you have to offer? 33:22 I mean, in addition to everything that we just talked about, but tell us what your center is all about. 33:28 Yeah. 33:29 So we have people come from all over the country, other parts of the world. 33:33 They come and they stay with us and they get, there are lots of hands-on treatments over there. 33:39 We do have IV therapies, which I won't go into detail about today. 33:43 That's a whole long conversation, but we do have that and there's apheresis and there's a healer that we work with who is amazing. 33:54 I already spoke about him, but tying that in with the other therapies is actually quite magical. 34:03 So that's what we do. 34:05 Wonderful. 34:06 But you guys also provide a ton of education, right? 34:09 Like you have educational platforms and you have seminars. 34:13 And I know you have a summit series coming out next month in May. 34:17 So I'm just going to, I want to plug that first, and then I'm going to let you tell me about your other educational platforms. 34:23 But you're doing this summit series on Lyme, Mold, and Environmental Toxins.
Hope, Gordon Medical Services, and Educational Resources 34:30 And in May, you're actually going to, in honor of Lyme Awareness Month, you're going to be doing kind of like a mini summit, 34:38 right, on vector-borne diseases. 34:40 We sure will be, and you are going to be on it, so I'm very excited about that. 34:45 So am I. 34:46 Yeah. 34:47 And so, yes, we put together a lot of educational platforms for people so that people who might not be able to come to us for various reasons, 34:58 they have some more information at their fingertips to give to their naturopathic or functional medicine doctors. 35:04 We want people to be able to use their own holistic doctors first to see what actually can work for them. 35:14 If that doesn't work, then they can come over to us. 35:18 So we have done many summits. 35:20 We hosted the Mycotoxin and Chronic Illness Summit 1.0 and 2.0. We hosted the Long Haul Summit. 35:29 We hosted the Cracking the Chronic Illness Code Summit. 35:33 And now we're going to be doing these mini series, this forum. 35:37 We also have the Gordon Medical Forum. 35:39 That's our podcast. 35:41 So, there's a lot of information for potential patients and the general public to access. 35:50 We want this information to be out there for people because it's really lacking in the medical community. 35:56 And all of that can be found on our website, gordonmedical.com. 36:01 Okay. 36:02 So if you go to GordonMedical.com, everything that we've discussed can be found like through that funnel. 36:09 So whether it's the summit or the various educational series or the podcast, or if someone even wants to set up an appointment with you, 36:18 all of that can be done through GordonMedical.com. 36:22 Yeah, and it's really easy to access All of that there. 36:25 We also have ebooks on various topics as well that you can access. 36:29 There are lots of information. 36:30 Okay, wonderful. 36:32 Thank you so much for joining us tonight. 36:35 Is there any last words that you'd like to say to our listeners before we end? 36:39 I just want to reiterate the hope, the feeling of hope, and that this is a healing journey. 36:45 You're healing your body, but your life is going to be healed as well. 36:52 Awesome. 36:53 Thank you so much. 36:54 Thank you for being here with us. 36:55 I really appreciate it. 36:57 Thank you for having me. 36:58 Absolutely. 37:00 And to all of you at home, I hope that this was very, very helpful to you and it furthers you along your journey healing from Lyme. 37:09 Take care. 37:09 Have a good night. 37:10 If this episode gave you an answer, brought you new insight, or made you think differently, subscribe to the Lime Bites podcast and share with someone 37:19 who's ready to take control of their healing journey. 37:22 And if you can, please leave a review. 37:24 It helps others to find the show. 37:26 Thanks for listening and we'll see you next time.
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