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Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Dr. Keesha Ewers is an integrative medicine expert, Doctor of Sexology, Family Practice ARNP, Psychotherapist, herbalist, is board certified in functional medicine and Ayurvedic medicine, and is the founder and medical director of the Academy for Integrative Medicine Health Coach Certification Program. Dr. Keesha has been in the medical field... Read More
William Pawluk, MD, MSc, author of “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF therapy”, was recently a holistic doctor near Baltimore, MD. Previous academic positions at Johns Hopkins and University of Maryland. Training: acupuncture, homeopathy, hypnosis, energy medicine, nutrition and bodywork. Considered the foremost authority on the practical use of Pulsed Electromagnetic... Read More
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Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Welcome to the Reverse Autoimmune Disease Summit theories. We’re on version 5.0. This is the energy body portion of the summit theories. I’m delighted to bring you Dr. William Pawluk, who is a holistic doctor in Maryland. He’s trained in acupuncture, nutrition, herbalism, energy medicine, homeopathy, hypnosis, body work, and multiple other therapies. He’s considered the foremost authority on the use of pulse electromagnetic field therapy in North America. And he is interested in holistic pain management, regenerative health stem cell stimulation, antiaging, sleep and anxiety among other things. He’s also the host of the Pain Solution Summit. Welcome to this summit series Dr. Pawluk.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Thank you very much, Keesha. I look forward to this discussion. I know we’re talking about the energy body in relation to autoimmune disease. That’s a favorite topic of mine since I’ve been trained in holistic medicine and healing techniques, including Reiki and other healing modalities. So yeah, I’m very much into this.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Good, all right. Well any of us that talk about the energy body know that it’s not a separate layer that it’s all part of the entire picture and the whole field that we’re working with then. So I-
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
You mean were integrated?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, right. So in Ayurvedic medicine, the energy body or pranamaya kosha is between the physical body and the mental one. So how we hold onto our traumas and our stresses and the meanings and beliefs we have works through that energy system to impact how our genetics express themselves, how our gut microbiome works together in an ecosystem or doesn’t, how well we are able to detox the many toxins that we’re exposed to. And so that energy body is basically a portal into the physical field. And what I love to do to start off this subject matter, especially someone that’s been trained like you have in a more holistic way is to have you define, like what you see as the energy body and what you consider energy healing.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Complex. So in my world, I don’t talk about the energy body as a medical doctor having practiced both functional medicine or holistic medicine and conventional medicine. And the people who come into the office have different sort of perspectives on this and they’re on different journeys. And I would say that probably 95% of the time, even higher, 98, 99% of the time, it’s not a topic of discussion. Or rarely somebody makes a comment, and then you can sort of bring that into the discussion. And sometimes in order to be able to educate people and bring people to a higher level of health, you have to initiate that discussion. And then you either get a glaze or you get an aha, right? Something that they were aware of or they’d read or whatever. So we have to deal with whatever people present to us.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Wherever they happen to be. Unfortunately, from my perspective, it doesn’t matter what they believe. It does matter in a sense ’cause I know that if they’re more open, they’re gonna be more open to better ideas. They’re gonna be more open to self-healing and stop being self recriminating and self punishing, and all that negative stuff. My wife and I walk every morning for about an hour. There’s a lady we meet occasionally that she will sprinkle her language with all these negatives. So I keep telling her, “You can’t do that. You can’t sprinkle your language with I feel crazy or this is bothering me. This is hurting. This hurts my brain to think this way.” So and I said, “No, you can’t do that.” And what happens is a lot of people will actually say the negative. I don’t wanna wake up during the night. Well, the problem is the subconscious doesn’t listen don’t. It listens to the act to the verb, the act of word. So people have to rearrange their thinking. It’s not only what they say ’cause obviously what they say stems from what they think, and what they think is going on all the time. It’s the scripts that they’re running continuously, right? They’re not even aware of them.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So energy medicine and energy healing and the energy body, if we can get to that level that have people thinking about the fact that they can manipulate the way their shoulder feels by focusing on it and decreasing the intensity. One of the things I do is I get people to imagine that their shoulder pain is gotta shape to it, a color, a sound, right? Something like that. So now just imagine that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, let’s talk about energy body and some people will intuitively will come up with what they really think and feel subconsciously as you get them to manipulate that shape. You get them consciously while they’re sort of relaxed about it. You get them to visualize a change in that shape, a change in that color, and they’re guided to change the color in a way that feels better or change the shape that feels better. So it’s got bright spikes coming out of it, right? Then, okay, how do we reduce those spikes? Well, some people could do that very well, but an amazing number of people have no imagination.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. I mean, when I used to teach intuitive and psychic development in my energy medicine classes, people would say, “Am I just imagining this?” And I would say, “Yeah, exactly what you’re doing, which you’re supposed to be doing.” Yeah, the right brain is an important part of the whole brain, right?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
There’s a really good reason for it. We live in these bodies.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Right? And we think we are our bodies. So one of the mantras that I have is I am not in my body, I am free. So our bodies are basically our minds and our minds are registering what our bodies feel. And we then think that that’s real. We give it power, right? We give it importance, et cetera. It’s work. It takes work. Remember I used to do meditation work and I would always be sort of in my lower chakras. And then I began to do more and more meditation work, and I was in my upper chakras. Well then I kept hearing that we can’t be in your upper chakras ’cause then you can’t function in your lower chakras. So you shouldn’t be in your upper chakras all the time ’cause then you’re disembodied, rooted into reality. So somehow we have to find a blend and a balance and recognize that we can effectively function in our upper chakras as well, and probably we would do a lot better, especially if we were able to integrate.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
We just have to stay rooted at the same time. You can do them both. It’s not an either or.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
It isn’t either or.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Totally.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
We’re much bigger than we think.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
How big are we?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Vast and infinite, yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
We are infinite, right?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. So it’s that vastness to wake up to that is a really beautiful realization, and then the little tiny pains and aches get put into a contextual experience.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And given validity, given root, if you will.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, yeah. So what’s the history of energy healing?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
I think that’s a very important question. Well, obviously it’s infinite, right? We think that it started with human beings. It started with a planet, but the way I think humans began to work with this often they developed at a time when life was simpler. And we had connection to energy, we had connection to the world around us, we had connection to animals, we had connection to plants and trees. So people were tree huggers, right? And we walked on the Earth without shoes or sandals. So we had a deeper connection with the physical planet, but we could see patterns and we could sense patterns more than we can now. We have way too many distractions, right? Whether we know them or not, you walk outside, you walk anywhere and you have you’re bombarded with radio waves. You’re bombarded with TV waves, you’re bombarded with radar and microwaves and so on. So that’s a constant sort of irritation to our energy body. And then it makes it much more difficult to focus and concentrate and be able to connect with that energy body. So as people began to realize that there were these connections, they could sense energy and they could amplify that energy by their imagination, and they didn’t have hypnotists at the time, right? They just did it. But some people are more skilled at it than others. I wrote a book, an ebook about magnetic therapy is energy healing. A guy named Elmer Green. I dunno if you’ve ever heard of Elmer Green.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I have because he worked with Swami Rama at the Himalaya Institute a long time ago doing biofeedback research on him as what the outcomes of meditation were.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
A long time. Yes, so he was very much involved in the different kinds of meditation.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So one of the things that he did in his clinic in Topeka, Kansas at the Menninger Clinic, he built a voltage wall. I don’t know if you remember reading about that?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So people would put their hands on this wall and then he would be able to register how much voltage they were producing. And in some cases they would actually measure about a million volts being projected by the healers. And they had all kinds of healers coming through. And at one time they actually did EEGs of the healers to see what changed in the EEG before they would zap or be measured on the wall. And he found that the EEG significantly enhanced, became much brighter and changed physically the energy patterns, the EEG signal got much stronger. And all of a sudden, the energy pulse was transmitted. So there’s a corollary in medicine where we did fMRI or SPECT scanning in people’s brains. And the subject, the controls or basically research subjects would be told to raise an arm.
And so when they raised their arm, what happened, they were told to raise the arm. Before anything happened physically, you could see a little light shining getting to pick up in the brain. And then that light amplified, amplified, and amplified. And then eventually, they raised their arm. So that current, that energy to cause the physical change was generated by a thought. They didn’t know they were gonna raise their arm. It wasn’t predicted. They didn’t know what they were gonna do, but a thought happened. And that thought generated charges in the brain that then translated into a physical action. So was the thought the energy? So this is a good example, I think basically of how the body’s being used by our other aspects of us to be able to generate physical change.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So this is a really fascinating subject because we’re talking about, well, we haven’t talked about it, but the speed that these relays work in. So what do magnetic fields have to do when we talk about energy healing and then pulse electromagnetic fields?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So you have to forgive me. There are storms in the background. So that’s appropriate, isn’t it? For the discussion.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
It is very appropriate.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
I’m not Thor. I’m not gonna have lightning volts flashing down on you, but that’s a possibility. And unfortunately we may end up losing our power. Hopefully we don’t. So basically what I concluded with all these, my evaluations of the healing work, and Qigong masters and dowsers and even acupuncture. Acupuncturists call this chi. But chi is an easy word because when acupuncture was developed 3,000 years ago, did they understand electricity? So they understood that there was power and there was energy, and there’s a transfer in energy ’cause they could see it certainly in lightening and they could see it in static charges between bodies. So they understood that these things happen. So basically, it’s electromagnetic. Where there’s electricity, there’s a magnetic field, and magnetic fields interact with electricity. So when you pass a magnetic field past an electrical charge, you can amplify or even increase that electrical charge. So with healing, we don’t always know whether it’s the electrical component of the healing: the laying on of hands, therapeutic touch, Qigong, whether it’s the electrical component that’s doing the work or it’s the magnetic component. I know and I’ve experienced this myself. When you do whole body magnetic field therapy, all of a sudden the person gets amped, and you could do aura measurements using the dowsing rods basically, and you back away and back away and back away. And then you can feel the difference in the aura with the person before and after magnetic field therapy. And there could be a 30 to 40 to 50% increase in the auric field, right? As a result of the magnetic stimulation. So what is that? It’s electromagnetic, it’s energy or electrical and then magnetic as well. And they’re hand in glove, the second force in the universe.
There are four forces. The strong force, the electromagnetic force, gravity, and the weak force. So the second force is the biggest force of the universe. It’s the biggest. The strongest may well be again, gravity, but gravity is not uniform and consistent everywhere, but the electromagnetic force is everywhere. It’s the electromagnetic spectrum. There is no light without an electromagnetic spectrum. There’s no color without a spectrum. There’s no speech. There’s no thought without the electromagnetic spectrum being involved. So basically, it’s all electromagnetic in some fashion. Whether it’s truly electrical or getting zap by somebody touching you with a static charge or it’s the magnetic field. So when I do dowsing or I can do aura sensing of somebody or see their patterns, their energy patterns of their body could figure out the dark areas of their body. Well, what is that? That’s electromagnetic. And even the story that I mentioned about Elmer Green and the voltage wall.
The Qigong masters would project this powerful voltage, but it’s not just the voltage, not just the electrical. It’s the magnetic fuel that goes with it. And that goes deeper and farther than the electrical component. So what’s the healing? And this is why I do electromagnetic field therapy because that’s easier to do. And you don’t have to worry about it hurting people typically. So all of this is electromagnetic. Even dowsers, the ones who look for water, they’re using electromagnetic charges and their body’s own ability to sense the changes in the magnetic field. It’s been mapped and shown that water moving at a certain rate will produce a magnetic field. Water that still does not, at least not as perceptively. Water that’s moving too fast will not produce electromagnetic field. So it has to be moving just at the right rate for the dowser to be able to sense that electromagnetic change caused by the flow of water.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, this in ancient science of Vastu, which is where feng shui came from talks about having underground streams that you’re unaware of affecting your health in your home, right? If they’re going in a direction that isn’t in the flow of your own magnetic energy, they talk about where you place your head. If it’s up against the North pole, then you’re going to have trouble sleeping. So you need to actually have your head facing South. And so there’s a lot of knowledge in some of these ancient systems about magnetic energy and whether or not it works together or works against.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And these days, I mean, people, as I said, at that era, that time that you were discussing, it was quiet except maybe for the-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No 5G network.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Right, right.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No electrical box outside your house. Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Right, or the traffic outside, the beeping of horns, the sirens that are out there.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Alexa.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Constant, constant, constant playing of music.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
No breaks. So no wonder we’re disconnected and we’re diseased because we don’t have that sense of the subtleties of all these things.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And when we don’t have that sense, then we have to use stronger methods to be able to achieve the same levels of health that we would’ve had in the past.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So then what does pulp electromagnetic fields have to do with all of this?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Basically there are two kinds of magnetic fields. There are static magnetic fields, which is basically in the Earth. The Earth is one great big static magnet. The average magnetic field on the surface of the planet is about a half a gauss, .5 gauss. That’s average. It varies a lot. It varies whether you’re on mountains or you’re at the sea bed, or whether you’re at the bottom of the ocean. Basically it will vary depending on the Earth’s crust to some extent, but generally speaking it’s about .5. So we are completely encased in that magnetic field. Our complete biology from beginning to end, our biology, not necessarily our spirit or our energy bodies, wherever they come from are based in that and they depend on it. And actually there’s research that shows, well, you nullify the Earth’s magnetic field. You can do that with something called a Faraday cage. You nullify the Earth’s magnetic field, and then you treat that body or that tissue or biochemical solution with a magnetic field, it doesn’t work.
It’s only in the presence of the Earth’s magnetic field that it actually works. So we need this huge magnetic field. So if you leave the planet, not necessarily up to the Space Station, the Earth’s magnetic field is measurable up to 100,000 kilometers away from the surface. The Space Station has basically the same magnetic field that you and I… It’s very little drop in that magnetic field. So we really have to leave the magnetosphere of the Earth, which means that we have to get up very close to the moon to be able to escape, if you will, the magnetic field of the Earth. So it’s huge. And so it totally conditions us. We are the magnetic field of the Earth. And that noise out there is interfering with that natural sort of effect of the magnetic field. So it’s causing its own effects of the body because it’s interacting with that magnetic field.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I don’t know how woo-hoo to get, but I do clinical hypnotherapy also. And sometimes when people regress and under hypnosis, they’ll go into other lifetime places and it’s gonna go out there. And they’ll talk about the magnetic field of the Earth in a different lifetime compared to where they are right now, which is a different space altogether. And they’ll talk about how heavy it is. As I say, “What are you feeling right now?” They’ll feel this complete difference because of that very shift in the magnetic field of wherever they’re at.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, and that varies from planet to planet.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So when we have other lifetimes, that doesn’t mean we had them on this planet.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Exactly.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Right?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
But even for the planet itself, scientists have been registering the fact that the Earth’s magnetic field has been decreasing. Why that’s happening, nobody completely understands. There’s probably, again, the rotation around the galaxy, the rotation of the Nebula that we’re in, all of these are factors that determine the magnetic fields that we are surrounded by. So yes, there’s a lot of variation, but if you live in one house all your life and you don’t leave that house, then you’re gonna have a lot less variation. When you fly across the country. Now, let’s think about that for a second. If you’re flying north and south, as you were saying, with facing north versus south when you’re asleep, when you’re flying along the meridians of the planet, the the longitudes of the planet, you have no variation in magnetic field. We actually stimulate our bodies on magnetic field as we move tangential or across the magnetic field lines of the Earth. So imagine flying across the continent, the world. What happens to those magnetic fields? We’re really jazzing them up. In many ways, they’re being irritated. So human biology is not used to this rapidity of change that we are experiencing even with flying. So hat happens when we go off planet on UFOs?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No wonder we get jet lag.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
much more subtle. So it’s probably not the same effect.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right. And probably more to do with consciousness than others. But so-
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
It is. Completely, I would agree.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, so when you’re pulsing this, what is that?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So thank you for bringing us back. So a static magnetic field is fixed. It’s not moving. But with a static magnetic field, basically you’re relying on the electron motions and the electromagnetic field of the tissues of the body itself. So the flow of a column of blood in the body is a pulsing magnetic field. It’s a magnetic field in motion because all the ions and electrolytes and so on in that column of blood are interacting with the cells that are fixed in the wall of the blood vessel and that they interact, and that is a pulsing magnetic field. So the static magnetic field doesn’t do a whole lot. It’s relying on the actions of the body itself. So a pulsing magnetic field now is in motion. The functions in the body are in motion. So in this case, it’s not one plus one equals two, it’s one plus one equals 5, 10, 40, 60, 1,000. So you’re dramatically increasing the amount of energy that’s now being essentially produced by the interaction of the two.
And that’s the main sort of focus that I have with PEMFs is that by introducing pulse magnetic fields into the body, you’re producing a lot more dynamic action, you’re producing more voltage or energy in the tissues, and the tissues that are stuck, that don’t have the energy. So while we could change our consciousness and we could tell ourselves to be a salamander or a shape-shifter or we’re gonna heal this shoulder, what happens that idea has to be translated down into the physical. It has to be brought from these higher dimensions and higher frequencies and less direct action down into the tissues. And the tissues have to then change and do their process of transformation to decrease the swelling and healing. So if you have a cut, you can speed that up by your thoughts and ideas, but you still have to change the tissue. Most of the time, it doesn’t happen overnight, unless there’s a huge amount of power. I read a book about love basically. And she was describing, the author was an artist, was describing something falling on a canvas. And she went to bed that night and woke up the next morning, the canvas was fixed.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So how much energy would it take for that canvas to get fixed? Now, would it take more energy to fix a canvas than it would a human body? I don’t know. I think so.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
But it also depends on the consciousness of the person and their vitality in general, their age. A lot of factors go into how quickly a body can heal. Clinicians need to take that into account. A lot of people who do magnetic field therapy don’t understand that.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So there’s a lot of buzz now in scientific literature and in the clinical world of the role of PEMF with autoimmunity. Can you speak to that?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So autoimmunity, what is that? It’s a decision, I suppose, at some level to give you a challenge, something to deal with, including cancer, including an airplane falling on your head. All of those are decisions ultimately at some level. So autoimmunity means that the body is basically fighting itself. That’s at least the way I sort of define autoimmunity. It’s auto, it’s against self. And our bodies, our cells in our bodies have a self. They have an identity. And the immune system of the body says, I know you. I’m not gonna leave you alone. Now, if I damage a cell, then the body says, I don’t know you and I have to get rid of you. So if you have a cell that’s infected with a virus or bacteria or a fungi, whatever it’s infected by, that cell transforms. And the body’s gonna try to get that cell back to normal as much as it can. And if it can’t, it says, you’re not self. I’m gonna get rid of you.
And we call that apoptosis naturally and necrosis unnaturally. So a cell that’s damaged by injuries, by burning, by infections, et cetera, dies by necrosis. It falls apart. It’s a different process of dying than natural death and natural transitions. So autoimmunity is attacking the self. I don’t know how damaged or unnatural the tissues have to become for the body to attack itself. Sometimes it’s just so hot and it’s just attacking that everything in the way gets attacked, even if it’s not abnormal. So the idea then behind autoimmunity is its inflammation, the root sort of aspect of it. It gets complicated with the biochemistry and different aspects of immunity, but basically the body’s creating a reaction that causes inflammation that then causes all the consequences of inflammation that cells break down-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Break down in communication between cells.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And it affects so many different aspects of self function.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And the controls and the balancing of cells. A thumb is not just a thumb. It’s an aggregation of cells that call themselves a thumb, right? A cornea is an aggregation of cells that call themselves a cornea. So if you take corneal cells and you transplant it into a skin, it’s probably not gonna work too well. But if you can supply growth factors or you change the genetics in some way, like for example, salamanders, you cut off an extremity in a salamander, transplant it to a different site on the salamander, it’ll grow into that extremity. But an arm attached to a leg doesn’t grow so well, but an arm put on a location where there’s already an arm there will still grow into an arm. Now, humans have lost that capacity. Our genetics is in a sense too self imaged. Cell matters don’t have much consciousness, not the way humans do, theoretically, at least.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Or that’s such vast consciousness that they’re not limited the way we are.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
They’re not limited the way we are, correct.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Right.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Are they as big as human consciousness? We probably spend a lot of arguments about that. All right. But anyway, so we are differentiated to a point where we can’t regenerate something that has basically been lost. And the body tries to do that as much as it can, but once you get past about age 11. So I had a three year old child who cut the end of her thumb off in a door jam. The father called me before the surgeons had it at her. And what the surgeons would normally have done would be to clean it up, scrape off the dead tissue, clean it up, and then take some live tissue from another part of the body and graft it onto that wound ’cause otherwise that wound’s not gonna heal so they say. So I convinced the father to reattach the piece that was lost. And I have pictures of this, where you could see the suture marks and it’s purple. It’s black and blue, no circulation and it’s dead. So she did magnetic field therapy for an hour and a half a day, hour to an hour and a half a day. Obviously, she lost her nail. She lost the tissue, and I have several pictures. Over the next three months, she was regrowing her nail. She regrew her thumb, but she was three and magnetic field therapy provided enough electromagnetic charge in the tissues to stimulate the regenerative processes of the tissues. You can’t do that after about age 11.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
So what devices are you doing this with? What do they look like? How do they work?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
My most recent book is called “Supercharge Your Health with PEMF Therapy”. In that book, I basically talk about different conditions and the different functions and actions of magnetic fields and the kinds of devices that you need to use to solve these problems. So basically there’s a range. There’s no such thing as one size fits all. So you shouldn’t be making a decision to buy a PEMF system based on cost. You should do it understanding what that magnetic field is going to do and what you wanna use it for. That’s why on my website, drpawluk.com, I have about 22 different devices. So you have to choose the right system. Now, for that little girl with the thumb, all she needed was something local that she could wear. If she did four hours or five hours a day, she probably would heal it faster. She only did an hour to an hour and a half a day. So again, you need guidance for that. And probably the best, easiest, and least expensive guidance right now is the “Supercharge Your Health” book.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So you need high intensity or you could get away with low intensity. Do you need the whole body or do you need something just for a shoulder? So it depends on what you wanna do, but tell me who on the planet doesn’t need health maintenance?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah. I mean, everybody needs that.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, and I used to say children don’t. Before about age 24, you don’t need anything because they’re growing. They’re gonna take care of-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
I don’t know. I think we live-
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Not so much anymore.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Not so much anymore.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
How many adult diseases are getting diagnosed in children now?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Earlier and earlier. And we know that every child that’s born is born with over 200 toxins in their bodies.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Right?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yep.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
From their mother in utero.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
And breastfeeding. I mean, we have so many toxins in our breast tissue now that go to the babies. It’s so sad.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Are getting it from there. They’re getting it from the placenta. They’re transferring it from the placenta.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Umbilical cord.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
The placenta is not a great filter. It’s not a phenomenal filter.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Breast milk even less so.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah, yeah. So is there harmful magnetic therapy?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Fundamentally no. Magnetic field therapy that “can be harmful” is high frequency. So when we talk about EMFs of cell towers or cell phones.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
They are harmful. And the reason they’re harmful, and they are different than PEMFs. So EMFs are basically broadcast into the environment. It’s microwaves, television, radio, radar, you name it. It’s broadcast into the environment, and those signals go forever. So microwaves are extremely narrow, short wavelengths. A long wavelength, 100 megahertz, for example, is three meters long. It’ll go right through the body. So it’s not absorbed by the body. When you start to drop down below about, well, let’s say three or four inches in terms of the wavelength, it’s now being absorbed. In other words, if the signal comes through the chest and it goes out of the back, it’s not absorbed. It’s gone. It’s gonna stimulate the body, but it’s not staying in the body. Signal that’s shorter than that depth front to back gets absorbed. And when it gets absorbed, it causes heating.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So you could see this with cell phones. You put a cell phone to your ear and you take it off, your ear is gonna be bright red, even for five minutes. The opposite ear is not as red, but even it’s redder than it would’ve been normally. So that means that what you’re doing with your cell phone to your ear and your brain-
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
is you’re cooking it, just like you cook in a microwave, right? So it’s destroying tissue. Pulse magnetic fields don’t because they pass right on through. So a pulse magnetic field is not created in the same way. It’s not a broadcast signal, broadcasted out to the environment. It’s produced by a current flowing through a wire. And that current flowing through that wire pulses. So when it pulses, the magnetic field gets created with each pulse and then it goes out and drops back. So that’s called a closed loop. EMFs are open loop. They just keep on going. So this is a closed loop. So it doesn’t produce a wavelength in the same sense. So that means it’s not dangerous. Even high powered magnetic fields, high powered PEMFs typically go right through the body and come back out again. Now, they can stimulate the body significantly and you have to adjust the power and the intensity of the magnetic field to the problem that you’re treating. And in my book, we have a whole section on low and slow protocols. So you have to adjust your intensity and your treatment time based on the problems that that body’s dealing with. You don’t get off the couch and run a marathon tomorrow, right? Well, your spirit can, your mind can, but you can’t. So the physical body then has to be trained to be able to accept that magnetic field energy. It has to be able to deal with the stimulus that it’s providing. So I’m pushing you gently. You can react and not fall over. If I really whack you on the back and you’re not ready for it, you’ll probably fall over. So the body’s that way with magnetic field therapy. So the stronger it is, the more sensitive you have to be to the condition of the body. It can’t hurt it, but you can still fall over.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Do you use this every day?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Yes.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
In what way?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Several different ways. Personally, I don’t do a whole body system. I found that a lot of the whole body systems, you can’t run them all night anyway. So the ones I do run every night include a signal for sleep. I put that on top of my pillow at three Hertz delta, and I run it all night.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So what I’m doing basically is tethering my brain waves into a deeper level. If you’re aware that you’re not sleeping, if you’re aware that you’re dreaming even, you’re not sleeping, right? You’re certainly not deep.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So the way that I conceptualize this is that if you present the brain with delta throughout the whole night, you’re gonna be tethering the brain in deeper brain states typically. I use that every night. Then the other thing that I use is I have my own issues with diverticulosis.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And I’ve had two episodes of diverticulitis. So I don’t want antibiotics again.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Yeah.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
So I do a magnetic system that I could run all night long on my belly.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
That serves several purposes. One is stimulating all the parasympathetic stuff in the belly. So it’s doing vagus nerve stimulation. But at the same time, the magnetic field is strong enough that’s going deep into my belly to keep inflammation down. So whether it’s the microbiome that’s been upset that day for some reason, or whether it’s the diverticulosis that’s acting up or whatever’s going on in my belly, the adrenal glands, the kidneys, the bowel itself function, liver function, pancreas, all of these tissues are now being sort of optimized.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
But you often need to use lower intensities and run it all night to produce the consistent effects for the body.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Thank you for sharing that. Is there anything that we haven’t talked about that you wanna make sure that you cover?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, one thing that sort of comes up regular and is coming up more recently is that there are a lot of people selling PEMF systems, and that’s what they’re doing, they’re selling. So you have to be careful about sellers. And if they only have one device that they sell, then they’re gonna try to make sure that you understand all the benefits of that particular machine.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Mm-hmm.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Even if some of those benefits are exaggerated. And so some of the machines that are being sold to people expensively, $6,000, $5,000 provide you with only one gauss or less. So you can spend $6,000 for one gauss machine. We know that we need about 15 gauss to deal with inflammation, autoimmunity. If you wanna do inflammation work deep into the body to repair and restore and recover, and keep that inflammation down, you need 15 gauss at the target tissue. So if you’re treating the brain and treat one side of the brain, and you wanna provide the magnetic stimulation to the other side of the brain and decrease inflammation in your brain, then need about 4,000 gauss. So you could spend $6,000 for a one gauss machine, or you could spend $7,000 for 4,000 gauss machine.
Right? So you have to be careful. And the people who are selling these lower intensity machines are putting down the machines that are higher intensity. So over the years, with all research that I’ve done, the book that I’ve written, the articles I’ve published, all of that research indicates that you need higher intensity to do deeper work. So people are saying you should be afraid of high intensity. Well, you ask that question. You have to be afraid of high intensity. And the answer is no. You have to be judicious in the way you use it. You have to use it properly, but if you do that, there’s no harm. So one of the questions I get asked, what’s the biggest risk of PEMF therapy?
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
What is it?
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
The urge to put on a cap.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
That’s cute.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And I say it’s okay to have the urge to put on a cap. It’s even okay to put on a cap. Just don’t try to jump over anything tall.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
That’s what I was gonna say.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Not in body.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
No tall buildings, please.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
At least not in your body.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Well, Dr. Pawluk, thank you so much for joining us. You have an ebook that you’re providing our audience with that we’ll have here on pain and inflammation also.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
Well, actually, we may have to cut that piece out. I think it might be better for you to provide the magnetic field or PEMF therapy as energy medicine as energy.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Okay, we’ll do that everyone. Okay, we’ll do that. All right. Well, thank you so much for joining me and for sharing this amazing knowledge that you have here.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
And likewise, Keesha, you’re always amazing as well.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
Thank you.
William Pawluk, MD, MSc
All right. Now, don’t get sucked into that crystal.
Keesha Ewers, PhD, ARNP-FNP-C, AAP, IFM-C
All right, everybody until next time, be well.
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