Peptides to Maximize Your Metabolic Code

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

I am, I am. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Appreciate you taking the time out and you’re lecturing there. So thank you. We are—it’s hard to get her! And she agreed to be on our summit, so we feel very privileged. So thank you. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Oh, I am honored Dr. Halter. Thank you so much for having me. I’ve been a big, huge nerdy fan of yours for a really long time. So this is going to be super fun. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Thank you. There’s a little light that goes on when you lie. So, a little bit about Kelly—she makes me laugh. Just an awesome person but also a nerd in knowledge. She has to know everything and she pretty much does. She completed her family practice medicine internship at the university of Minnesota. She has a naturopathic medical degree from the Kingdom College of Natural Health where she is the current Academic Dean of students—she doesn’t look like a Dean to me, but she is. She holds certification in MethylGenetic Nutrition by the NutriGenetic Research Institute and certification from the American Functional Neurology Institute in functional neurology and neurofeedback. 

She’s an active member of the American Academy of Anti-aging Medicine, president and founder of American Association of Nutraceutical Formulator. She is a technical—for a technical term—a bad-ass formulator. And she does formulate these for a lot of great companies that—and I noticed the kind of common theme with the—I didn’t know she was doing it for these—like these people have some good stuff, and really cutting edge stuff. So it’s really neat. As well she’s a member of the American Medical Association—I don’t know if I like that, but—and Physician’s committee for Responsible medicine. She’s also board certified in clinical nutrition by CNCB, has certification in plant-based nutrition from Cornell, and health coaching certification from the Institute of Integrative Nutrition. 

She coined the phrase “2.5 phase, 2.5 detoxification”—which we’ll we’ll talk about—which involves properly restoring bile physiology. It’s really interesting, and there’s so many parts of detoxification that are so important that we just brush over. Like, “Bile? Who cares about bile?” Well, you’re gonna care about bile after this. Our body’s built in toxin transport system and [inaudible] novel nutraceutical products and clinical strategies to support this new important phase of detoxification. She works as a consultant at Haldeman Wellness LLC, her interests include property detoxification. She is a nerd, that’s her— 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Fully a nerd! 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Chronic Lyme, which she personally had. So, we’re gonna talk about that because it’s—someone who hasn’t had it just doesn’t understand. So she gets it, I’m telling you. And really, she got better of course, and uses that to help people, which is awesome. And in turn she was able to beat it as well as develop therapies from that. She teaches other doctors, she’s so generous with her knowledge, she loves her [inaudible] therapies, ozone, STEM cell therapies, exosomes, love those as well. We have so many tools in our toolbox. She also serves as a science advisor to both the professional health products, PHP and Randal Optimal Nutrients. Wow, that’s a lot. And also considering someone who had Lyme! 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Very debilitating Lyme, too. I think that’s a really good place to start. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

How the heck did you accomplish all this and have Lyme? Yeah, tell me how you got into all this. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

I mean, I’ll tell you what, if you’d rewind back about 8 or 9 years, I was bedridden to the point where someone would tell me their phone number and I couldn’t figure out what a 7 was. I mean, I couldn’t read to my children. I’ll set the stage for you. I was practicing—

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Scary. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

—family medicine. Really high level, you know Kent, it’s just go, go, go. My diet was terrible and I just was really not treating my body very well. I started to come down with neurological symptoms. I got migraines out of nowhere and foot drop, and I’m like, “What is going on?” And I actually got diagnosed with MS. I went to the best specialists—my colleagues, I got right into my colleagues, the best. “You’re going to get better, Kelly. You’re going to get better.” But all I got was a box full of pills and a pat on the back to go home to be with my children, which was basically a death sentence. And I’ll tell you what— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It’s like, “I gotta play with the [inaudible] clinic. I’ll see you in 3 months.” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

It was not enough! I mean, it was not enough. I climbed the ladder of success in medicine. I scored in the 99 percentile boards. There was nothing I didn’t know. There’s nothing in that clinical toolbox of mine that I missed, but I was not given the right tools to get myself healthy. So I had to step away and I had to go get a naturopathic medical degree. I learned about nutrition, and detoxification, and how our bodies inherently work. I clawed my way out of that hole, which was really almost going to take my life. It really was. I was that sick. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yeah, and even if it’s not, you feel like you are. For myself, I was ready. I was not scared of death. I was ready for it because I could not go on feeling like that. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

It’s awful. It’s awful. I would describe—people were like, “Well, what does it feel like?” And I’m like, “It’s fatiguing to breathe. Just to breathe, and I have two small children and my husband—” He was an anesthesiologist, never home. It was so stressful. But yet, I pulled up my bootstraps. My parents taught me you need to be resourceful and take things on and really heal thyself. And I did, but I had to step away from the tools that I was given. It was one of the biggest blessings of my life to go from learning about diseased bodies, to living in a diseased body. You know that too, doctor. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I think that one thing that kept me going was—I get teary eyed thinking about it, I just do—is that I said, “One day, this will help other people.”

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. Right. That’s why I think—that’s what— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I get choked up, because you can’t explain how bad it is. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

No. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

People—as we’re talking I think it’s human nature. People have empathy for a couple of weeks and then they go, “Oh yeah, I’m tired too. Go exercise or eat better.” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

“Oh, you’re still sick?” 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

“You look fine!” You know? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. “You look fine.” Right. I mean, I see people that I knew back then when I was sick and they’re like, “Oh, I thought you like died or something.” You know, I’m like, “Okay! Thanks for calling!” 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

But also it’s like, “Oh my God”—if the phone rings just that overload, like—”Oh, how dare they call at 3 in the afternoon!” Yeah. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

“I’m taking a nap!” Yeah. So, looking back at, I loved being in the white coat, I loved my colleagues, I loved being in the club, that training that we have. But I knew that we weren’t getting to the root cause, the word “why” was excised from our vernacular during training. We didn’t ask why when someone was diagnosed with MS. We didn’t ask why when someone was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, we just said, “This is your diagnosis. And here’s your prescriptions.” 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

You put people in a box. Put them in a box. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Put them in a box! And that’s why I think that physicians nowadays are so burned out. In 2013, the American Medical Association did a study and they wanted to know what led to physician satisfaction. They found that the number one thing that led to their satisfaction was their ability to provide high quality care. 70% of the physicians in this study reported they are completely burned out, right? So you think about like, what is the definition of power? So Martin Luther King says that the definition of power is to achieve purpose and affect change. Doctors can’t do either, right? We were there. You’re stuck and it’s sad. Unfortunately we lose a colleague a day to suicide, I mean, just in the profession of medicine, think about all the other people that are suffering or in the box. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

We lost a person a year. Yeah. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. It’s terrible. So what I want to talk about today is, I want to talk about the metabolic code because it offers—it’s a tool to help personalize the care you’re giving. It’s really a strategy for doctors, for patients, for people who are looking to be treated more as individuals and with precision, right? A precise plan of action. So the metabolic code is a personalized health evaluation program, and it’s very simple and Professional Health Products—that’s who sponsored me. We have the supplements that are in the metabolic code, because I think that another frustrating factor is that when doctors are starting out, or even really good doctors who are doing functional medicine still feels like a little bit of a guessing game, or it feels like it takes a long time to take all of the data that we’re trying to accumulate on our patient. 

We’re trying to pick which supplements and it’s hard for even the best of us. So this metabolic code, it gives us a way to organize the data. It gives us a way to treat each patient as their own physiological fingerprint. We can look inside and look at that internal fingerprint with assessment of the metabolic code. And that’s subjective, so that’s questionnaires, and it’s also objectives, serum, and saliva, and urine. You can create a plan of action. Now, if you think about the topic of peptides, what better marriage than to have someone’s unique biochemistry, their metainflammation, which Jim Lavelle he already talked about what that is if you watched his interview. We’re talking about the root cause of inflammation. If we find that out, our peptides are going to work better and when our peptides work better then our systems get better. So that’s kind of the premise. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I just want to mention something, because we had opened up 22 centers and we had like 9 franchises and doctors—and I really get down on doctors, but really I shouldn’t because they’re stuck in a system where the best doctors who want to help people actually are the most frustrated because they can’t. They’re stuck in, “Oh, that’s not efficient, do these extra tests.” And they’re thinking, “Why should I?” They’ve just become robotrons. So these doctors go to these, basically conferences, and they’re just blown away. Like, “Where do I start? What do I do?” We found it takes—we had the [inaudible] Fatigue Centre 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

That’s right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

So this is a tool to—boom, they can get patients better that other doctors aren’t, very quickly. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. And it’s based on 30 years of clinical research and application by practitioners. So it’s like, this has been tested and this is based on that clinical data. I know you and I share that, really, annoyance. It just doesn’t sit well with us that good clinical research sits for 17 years on average because it can’t make it from the science right there. It can’t make it into the doctor’s office. And it’s like, that’s unacceptable! That’s completely unacceptable! Doctors like you and I will go in and we’ll find that and we’ll put rubber to the road, but this really streamlines that process. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

They do the hard work for you. She’s talking about—The National Academy of Hypothyroidism put this out and I was really angry at doctors, but it really isn’t their fault. [Inaudible] 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

That’s right. That’s right. That’s what—I remember thinking to myself when I’m in the ER, in the throes of the family practice going, “I’m just checking boxes here. I’m not thinking at all! This is not critical thinking.” And, again, you’re trapped and there’s really nothing that you can do about it and you don’t know how to get out. So this is our bridge. I love that quote from Buckminster Fuller, “You don’t change things by fighting the existing reality, you change something, you build a new model.” So the other one becomes obsolete, right? So that’s what I think Jim Lavelle, Andy Hayman have done, is that they’ve built this model that you don’t have to worry about it working. 30 years have been put into this. It works, and there’s algorithms on the back end. They’re not replacing your clinical judgment— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

We often tell that doctor that they’re wrong. It’s like, here’s a different way. Yeah. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

That’s right. That’s right. And it is because I think also you and I were—before we started recording—we were making fun of the interactions in the doctor’s offices. Somebody is on their computer, the doctor is on their computer, they don’t even make eye contact. So, I mean, we need fix that too. This is where I want to show everybody, this is the metabolic code. This is the report. And we’re going to talk about the triads that—basically, the triads are how we’re taking all that data and we’re simplifying it into these biological systems. This is very eloquently done. Patients love this. They show it to their neighbors, and they go, “Look at this!” It’s very—the green, and the red, and the yellow. 

But I want to tell you, there’s so much on the back end of this, in terms of algorithms, and in terms of research. Everything on here is clinical base. So it’s just handing you a tool where you can start to be a human again. You can start to have interactions with your patients. You can start to choose specific nutraceutical supplements. I’m a big fan of Professional Health Products because before I was working with them, I just thought they were a great company. Then I actually really got to pull back the curtain and I realized they do not cut corners. They do not cut any of the corners that a lot of the competitors do because doctors don’t even know what questions to ask, right? So when you’re looking at a company that has been around, it’s a family owned business, and they’re not cutting corners and you can trust that they’re not selling on Amazon. Your patient can’t go around you and get these. They’re really high level and they’re formulated by people like myself and Jim Lavelle, Andy Hayman, that we’re really taking something that you can trust because you’re putting it in someone’s body and you’re being specific about it. So, for example— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I can give you a thousand supplements that are good for you, right? I remember when I looked through that catalogue, I’m like, “Wait, who are these people?” These people are doing it differently. They know more. It’s like, “Oh, take vitamin D. Take a fish oil.” No, this is stuff that it’s like—I’m impressed. I’m like, “Hey, who is this? Where are they?” You know? It’s very apparent. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

It is, and it matters. And that’s where the peptide— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It works, that’s the difference, right? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

That’s right, we get really good results. This is where I think it’s really unique what the peptide summit is because when I started using peptides, you have people who are paying for these peptides and they’re going, “I don’t feel anything. I don’t feel any better.” It’s frustrating for everyone, right? It’s frustrating for the doctor, the practitioner, the patient, but you can do a before and after, and here’s data. Objective data that shows that—I love—Dr. Horowitz says that patients have 16 nails in their foot and you have to get 16 out before they stop complaining. But we can show them, when we’re starting them on BPC-157 for inflammation or repairing their gut, we can show that there’s a triad here called Gut Brain Immune, and we can show this is getting better. This is objective data. 

This is where compliance goes through the roof. People understand

because they don’t quite understand when doctors are actually—when we do make eye contact, there are studies that show we do still talk a little bit above them, right? And they’re not grasping like, “Why am I on this?” But this takes the work right out of that equation for you, because it’s guiding them and they understand that it’s not cookie cutter. Like you just said, “Fish oil, vitamin D, multivitamin.” No, this is specific tailored nutrition that will get your patient better. The metainflammation will go down so that your peptides will work better. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It’s like so many things and doing deep dives—it’s like inflammation in the hypothalamus, like it solves so many things, the HPA axis function, thyroid, insulin resistance, and all those things. And just talking about where you said the patient said, “Oh, I’m not better.” It’s interesting. So we have everyone fill out their—basically energy levels, sense of wellbeing, and then 10 symptoms, frequency, and severity. And there’ll be a year of, “I’m not feeling any better.” Then you go, “Wait a minute, your severity was a 10 here, a 9…” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

It’s as if they forget, right? 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

And they’re like, “Oh yeah!” You know? I think it’s a defense mechanism so we don’t get post-traumatic stress and remember everything so negatively. But, yeah. I love stuff like that. It makes it understandable. ‘Cause I know we throw a bunch of stuff at patients and to them, it’s like XYZ=ABC and they get out of there and go, “What the heck am I supposed to do?” You know? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Exactly, exactly. So that’s where those triads—so the triads are the key to success because it organizes the clinical information that sometimes doesn’t even make sense to the doctor when you’re pulling hormones and you’re pulling all this together and you’re spending so much time, right? I mean, so this is time efficiency, it’s a really big— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It’s like you have now computer, artificial intelligence to help the doctor. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

To help the doctor, that’s right. It’s not taking away the power to make clinical decisions. It’s just organizing it. So the triads, there’s 5 of them, and they’re proprietary interrelated biological domains of function. So basically there’s 3 organ systems per triad and they display all that data, I just showed you, really eloquently. Just very simple for the patient to see, “Oh my thyroid adrenal pancreas triad is off because look at my lab values, look at the subjective symptoms that I

answered. Oh, I understand that.” So then when you have a supplement—so this is actually my triad one, QuiCalm, I understand why I’m taking this. I understand— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yepp, yepp. I have a friend who has Lyme and I feel very bad for him. He’s very sick, but I refuse to treat him because he won’t take time to understand why he’s taking something. And granted, I may not be the best and because of him, I’m maybe not—like, “Dude, you have to learn.” And it’s like, “I don’t know.” So you can’t say, “Well, did you take this?” “I don’t know what I took!” “Are you better?” “I don’t know. I don’t know what I took, my girlfriend lays it out for me.” I’m like, I can’t work that way! 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

You know? It’s dangerous and you can’t get feedback. You need to know why. You need to take an active part in your health. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. Then we see in the allopathic traditional model there’s such a dichotomy between—it’s just, “Take this. I don’t have time to talk about it.” The patient feels disempowered. The patient is confused and the doctor is suffering, too, or the practitioner. I mean, all kinds of practitioners are suffering. We’ll tell you that firsthand, it’s that everyone’s looking for a solution. In this pandemic, there’s not a better time to call upon every resource we have to make things better, make things more precise. We have got to get our biochemistry in line because all your biochemistry is nutritional, and I stole that from Dr. Bryan Walsh. He’s a brilliant naturopathic doctor. It really dawned on me, it’s like, when we say co-factors, when we say key enzymes, it runs on what you feed your body, right? It runs on the nutrition that we’re not getting from our food sources anymore. So we need to be—again, we need to be precise and we need to have a really effective way of communicating. That’s what this metabolic code does. 

That’s why I love taking these triads, taking the triad one, the adrenal thyroid pancreas, which is called the energy triad, optimizing it. And it’ll optimize these triads based on your patient, not based on what it thinks the general population should have. So some people end up having their triad 4 is the worst, right? Liver, kidney lymph. So that’s my phase 2.5 detox, right? Where that’s the worst triad. We need to start there and work there because look at your numbers, look at these red flags on your report, and they’re so invested—the patients are so invested and they understand, and that is so, so important nowadays to just get this right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I love that. I think the difference between—I mean, I think our best patients are the most educated patients and the ones that go out and go on the internet, read everything, and bring it—there’s great stuff and there’s stuff that’s baloney, but bring it back. We’ll talk about it. Where standard doctors are like, “Are you questioning me?” If a doctor says that, run. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Because they can’t defend their treatments and—

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

They don’t believe— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

“You got this, I don’t know why it works either.” You know? And I love talking to patients about, “Well, this is why this and that.” And that lays it out for them, so it allows them to have a place to start because I think that’s—just like doctors, the big thing is they don’t know where to start. Same with the patients. Like, “Oh my God, who do I go to? What do I do? This doctor says this. I go back to my other doctor. He says, don’t do that. He doesn’t know what it is, but he doesn’t have anything for me. What do I do?” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. I think we’re in this time of—I mean, it’s been a long haul of this personalized medicine, right? I mean, we’ve been hearing that term for so long, but I think the public is starting to go, “Yeah, that’s what we want. We’re demanding—” 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

You better put up ot shut up too, though. [Laughing] 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

So, you think about people and I’ve seen a lot of genetic reports, right? So they come in with the genetic reports and I think of genes as that could be the predisposition you have, right? But we are all about epigenetics and I’m sure one of your guests have talked all about epigenetics. It’s what pressure we’re putting on our genes and that’s how they express. So I think that genetics can be important, but I think that’s really not the personalized medicine we’re really— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yeah, that’s only 20%. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Amen. So it’s like the metabol types, we call them, those are literally the patterns you have going on in your body right now. It’s not like, “This is your predisposition.” It’s like this uncovers, in live time, what’s going on in your body. And I’m not saying that genetics aren’t useful, what I’m saying is it goes a step above and a step in the right direction. It’s like— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

The starting point. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yes, it is. It is. So I think a lot of doctors, a lot of practitioners they’re getting on board, they’re jumping on the metabolic code train right now because it’s like a lifeline. It’s like, you get to be in control, but yet you’re in a servant model where you’re in control, but your goal is not to have power over, it’s to have power with your patient. That feels so good! Right? I mean, we’re losing connection because of the pandemic left and right, and it’s so healing to have that relationship. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I think the difference is that I remember when I was like writing papers on thyroid, I would have—before computers—I’m old, it was actually before the wheel, right? So I remember going down to UCLA library, Scripps 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I copied half the paper. And it would take me so much effort to get the information. Now it’s the opposite problem. It’s information overload. There are so many studies, so many things people are like, “Oh my gosh, what do I do?” And doctors are the same. So they say, “What use is it? I’ll just wait until the HMO tell me which one I should use.” The patient is like, “Who do I believe? Or how do you organize this stuff?” This does that for you. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. Absolutely. It does that and we’re looking for that. We’re looking for the organization where we don’t have to spend—we don’t have enough time! We don’t have enough time and we really need to have something that’s all put together and guys, here it is! So, you know what? I think there’s been a lot of talking and what I want to tell everybody right now is that if you want to try this out, if you want to get your symptom survey, we’re gonna give that to everyone. So you can see what your metabolic code score would be when you’re looking at the subjective assessment. So that’s gonna be our free gift, is that people— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Can you describe that? So what does that involve? Do they do saliva tests? Do they send them blood? Do they do questionnaires? And that’s the thing, questionnaires correlate damn well with what we find in genetics and tests, but what does that involve? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Sure. So there’s basically two parts of the metabolic code and it’s the subjective and the objective, right? So the subjective is where the patient logs on and they fill out questionnaires. So then that actually would populate—this is gonna populate on—under symptom score. I don’t know if you see that, but this one right here will give us symptom score. So typically when you’re running the metabolic code, as a practitioner, you would have the lab score and those two would generate green, yellow, or red. Right? Okay, so what we are able to do is that we’re able to give people who are listening, or people who are wondering, like “Wonder which one’s the worst for me?” We want you to do the subjective survey, which takes some time, I mean, it’s in depth. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

If it doesn’t, it’s not worth it. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

I mean, really, it goes in. There’s so many metrics behind the metabolic code. It’s mind boggling, it is absolutely mind boggling. I know Jim probably went through a lot of that with you. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I can just—I think about the time and the money, put that together. I mean, I did a hand algorithm and just put it all together and try to train all the doctors at the [inaudible] centers. It covers the whole wall, and it now needs to be expanded tenfold, you know? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

And that’s what we’re looking at. Everyone is like, “Oh my gosh, that’s so long.” But it is, everything’s exponential. It’s just, we have so much at play. So there—I imagine constantly updating this. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Constantly. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Now, do people get the blood work through that kit? Or do they go to Quest? Or do they go through their doctor? Or—how does that work? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

All the information on that backend stuff of how the doctor orders the blood serum of—the serum, urine, and saliva—all that’s at metaboliccode.com. You can find all that information. Even if you’re a patient, you just want to know how it works, then it’ll be automatically loaded into the cloud-based software so that the doctor will be alerted when the report is ready. So they won’t have to do much work. They won’t have to sit there and go, “Oh, this number is here and that number is here and here, here.” It’s just like, “There you go.” So you’re looking at— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

So the lab is through the kit? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Through—they’re sending them to Quest and sending the— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Quest, and that will populate on—okay. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. So it’s really—and every time we have updates, it’s just getting more simple and more simple to actually implement that in your practice. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yeah. Where the technology is actually working, you know? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Exactly, exactly. You can manage all that patient information right in one place. You can improve your—it’s gonna improve your clinical outcome too. I mean, we’ve really shown that. So happy practitioners, happy patients. I mean, it really is such a powerful tool and that’s why I wanted to come on and I wanted to talk about that because it’s really not just some pie in the sky. It really is helping doctors, practitioners, of all sorts really connect again. And that’s what we need. We’re in this pandemic and it’s like everything’s—we’re so far off and we want to come back to really having precise care that nobody’s burning out here. We don’t want any of that around any—you know? 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yeah. And it’s like, newsflash to doctors, it’s fun to get patients better. [Laughing] 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Absolutely. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It actually is nice instead of just pushing them on. And it’s funny, one of our doctors, her husband is like a HMO doctor and he’s like, “How’s it going? I am a data collection service for the government.” That’s what he calls himself, you know? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Depressing. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

It is. They’re just filling up on us, it’s crazy. Instead of—they went into this—and he’s the nicest guy, smartest doctor—to help people and to use your knowledge and be able to figure out, like be a detective and say, “This is…” And critical thinking skills. Now it’s just memorizing ICD-9 codes, you know? And I blame doctors for allowing it to happen, but I can’t beat them up too much so I gotta lay off them. But I just get mad because they’re just defending what they know. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

When you send a patient back, it’s like, if a doctor can’t fix, it’s the patient’s fault. And that’s just human nature. People like yourself, with Lyme disease, “Oh yeah. Oh, it’s a stressed out woman.” They’ll still ask, “Oh, so you got a couple of kids at home? Yeah, you’re probably pretty stressed, right?” You know? Yeah, you’re like, “I wanna strangle you right now!” You know? And then you show them all these labs are abnormal—or this, I don’t understand. Doctors will run the lab, and it’s abnormal and they do nothing! Like, why did you run the lab?!

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Why did you run the lab? Right. I mean, you and I could go in— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

They’ll say it’s false positive! Well, why? Why do you think it is? You know, it’s crazy. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. Yeah. And I think, important and relative to this, is that symptoms in patients often show up long before they’ve had that metabolic shift in labs even. Right? So people come in all the time to their regular doctor, “I don’t feel good. I don’t know what’s wrong. I don’t feel good.” And then the labs are, “Nope, it’s all good. You’re fine.” And it’s like… I mean, you and I could go into a dissertation on thyroid physiology and labs. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Oh my gosh. I’ve been working on a—thing is, we can look at labs and say, “Okay, you’re low thyroid” and the TSH, so many studies show—I have done several reviews, 400 studies show it’s not reliable. But that’s what all the endocrinologists, all the doctors do because it’s simple. So I’ve been working on an essay that is gonna prove that’s wrong. It’s been 15 years and I keep getting close, but now I think we’re even closer. I gotta retired, if I just didn’t put all my money into this thing. Like, dammit! We’re going to finish it. So we finally—we kept using smaller labs and we’d get 90% and they couldn’t finish it. So I just said, “I don’t care. I’ll give up everything, just get this thing out.” So, I’ll tell you more about it, but hopefully we’ll have it out where it’s going to be a black and white [inaudible] where standard doctors can say, “Your thyroid’s low, but your TSH is normal.” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Right. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

We’ll see. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Oh, anything I can do to help, you let me know. Right? Because we need to work smarter, not harder. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yep. Yeah. So, with the giveaway, if you could just summarize that again. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. So it’s going to be in the notes on this presentation. So, when someone’s gonna watch this, there’s going to be some introduction in there and there’ll be a link and you can click on that and you can go and do the survey, I think, until the end of the year just for free. And that’s part of the metabolic code, that’s a really big giveaway to be able to do that. And also the software is able to print out supplement recommendations too. I really, again, go back to we don’t guess, we test. We spend a lot of money on guessing which supplements work for us because, “My neighbor Sally told me that this worked for her and so I had to go get it.” It’s like suitcases full of supplements that don’t—they’re not appropriate. They’re not appropriate. So I’m really excited to have that and you can also go to phpltd.com to find that symptom survey link. If you can’t find it in the show notes, just go right there. You can look through all the awesome metabolic code products that Jim Lavelle, Dr. Andy Hayman have formulated, hand formulated. I mean, there’s some just phenomenal work that they’ve put in. I am— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

These guys are the top brains in the industry and I’m just in awe when I hear them lecture. I’m just like, “Damn.” And then speaking with you, it’s like, wow. That’s a great team. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Well, thank you. I feel the same way about your work that you’ve done for so long. If your listeners don’t—if they don’t know how much— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

If you don’t take advantage of this, it’s crazy. ‘Cause I think so many people watching this, I’m sure they’re like, “I’m interested, but where do I start?” 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Here it is, right here. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Here it is. Start right here. You can go to metaboliccode.com, find all kinds of free resources on there. Learn where you can find a practitioner. Practitioners, you can set up your account. It’s really streamlined. This is—people are—doctors are jumping onboard. Practitioners of all kinds are jumping on board daily because it just has so many resources. I mean, I don’t have to spend time going through dietary different things because Laura Lavalle is actually a registered dietician and she’s done videos and all kinds of things on trans fats. So your patient can just watch, like, “What was said about trans fats?” And they can watch it again. So it just cuts the time, ’cause we can’t be everything. We can’t rely on Google to give our patients good information, right? We just— we can’t. So this is a one-stop shop and it’s just growing in its capabilities and making everything so much easier for everyone. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Why don’t we do this? Why don’t we have someone do it and we’ll go through it and videotape it. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Oh, I love it. Let’s do it. Perfect. As long as it’s not me! 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I’m already like, Oh my God, are you still alive? 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Wait, you still have a pulse? 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Tecnhnically, yeah. I don’t know. I think I’ve survived without one for, I think like 15 minutes. But this is awesome. And it really is, I think, kind of the quintessential people come to these summits and these things to learn, so many of them are trying to find a place to start. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Yeah. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

You know? And they hear this, they hear that, “Do I go to this person? Oh my gosh, it costs a lot of money, but are they better? My doctor says no, this says this.” Look, this is free and this is going to point you in the right direction and give you a starting place. I think that’s just invaluable. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

I do too.

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

So that’s awesome. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

This has been so fun. Thank you so much for having me on. Thank you to the sponsor Professional Health Products. They are an amazing company, amazing family. We got to spend some time together in Locanda and we actually got to meet Dr. Kent in person, that was really fun. So I hope to see you again, live, that would be— 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

I love it. Hey, especially when the conference is at a winery it’s not too bad. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Oh, yeah. That was good. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

There were some just—I enjoy just talking to everyone. There’s just some brilliant minds, including you. I’m like, “Who formulated these?! Who did it?” So that’s awesome. I feel humbled and privileged to be a part of it, have you guys on and hear all the things you’re doing. It’s just incredible. You guys don’t stop! 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

No, we just keep on. We have to, right? We gotta keep on keeping on, right? I mean, a lot of people are suffering, so—just like you. Whatever help you need getting that data published or—call me up. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Yeah, yeah. You’re like the Energizer bunny. So awesome. Thank you. I think this is great. I think this is not only interesting and informative, but it’s practical. Patients actually get a tangible, huge benefit. I think this is great. Thank you so much for giving that to all the participants. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Thank you very much. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Great. Well, have a great rest of your conference and I hope Dallas is treating you well there. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

It nice. I’m going to go have a steak after I’m done with this. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

There you go. There you go. All right. Great. Thank you so much. I appreciate the time. Again, I know you’re so busy and you’re just a pleasure to talk to and I just always learn something new from you. 

Kelly Halderman, N.D.

Thank you, Dr. Holdorf. Thank you so much. 

Kent Holtorf, M.D.

Thanks so much.