Tapping into the Power of Bioenergetics

Harry Massey's Chronic Fatigue Origin Story 0:00

I'm excited to introduce you to our next guest. He is a fascinating human being who had an experi ence early in his life at the age of 21, where he got chronic fatigue, and that experience led him to try so many different ways of healing. And it was interesting. I was watching a video earlier where he talked about some of the things he tried were really, really good, but the way that he did them, he was expending so much energy on them. He was putting out more energy than it got back. So he didn't hear.

It took several years before he was able to improve his condition and heal from chronic fatigue, which, by the way, is amazing. Some people never heal from it. Harry found a way and now he is a bio energetic expert. He's the founder and chairman of Ness Health. And so we'll hear about some things there. And then he's he's got some really cool moonshot ideas like healing a billion people. And I can't wait to pick your brain, Harry. Harry Massey's our next guest. He's coming to us from his phone because he's traveling.

He's in beautiful Park City, Utah today, and I'm sure there's going to be some hikes or mountain climbing or something later today. But, Harry, welcome to our summit. It's great to have you here. Oh thank you Tom. Yes, great pleasure because I love speaking about energy medicine. Yeah. So tell us you we were talking about you asked me where did my interest start. And energy medicine and and I'm curious where did your interest start? Obviously you got the interest piqued when you were sick. That's a lot of times when people get interested in energy medicine.

But talk to us a little bit about your journey. Sure. You know, so when when I was 21 or just before I was 21, I was this really avid rock climber. I used to climb, like, 4000 meter overhanging faces in the Alps. I'd climb, like, 100ft wheel free climb, 100ft above, above the waves with the waves crashing. Crashing below in England. You know, when I was when I was 21, you know, unfortunately, I ended up I ended up climbing up this mountain, getting, getting a fever while I was climbing, and and then I fell, and then after that, I ended up bedridden for for years.

And, you know, maybe I'll just describe that a bit more. But basically when, when you're ice climbing, you know, ice can be really, really brittle. And so I was sort of ice climbing. I was like, TSA, tsa, tsa shatter my ice pick cell fell out me with it. I fell a few hundred feet down the mountain. But fortunately onto a very steep snow slope. So I should get an ice ax arrest. But I didn't know that at the time, but I actually fractured my spine that day, so I didn't discover for another three years to till I had an X-ray.

Because when you're 21, you just put up with some. You put up with some pain and and I'll anyway, after that, the next time I went, I went out to the Alps, to go to go off mountaineering. I ended up so, so exhausted because it, this fever gave me all this post-viral fatigue and just my body was pretty, pretty battered off at that point. And, basically, basically, I was so exhausted, I ended up stuck in this tent, for, for, for a week because I was up in, of an, a glacier in the, in the French hours just eating dried bananas.

And, you know, eventually, the soft enough energy to get myself back to the car. And it took me about a week to try and drive that from the Southern Alps back back to England. And that was the beginning of proper bedbound bedbound chronic fatigue and, and it really did take me, took me about seven years to get, to get out of bed, out from being stuck, stuck under my, in my parents house and, you know, I literally did try. Well, I tried everything from, you know, I had bars on like, ozone. I had, like, the really low magnesium levels on all these I.V.

drips for, for years, actually, you know, every day you could think of, homeopathy, acupuncture, all these other different things. All the things I tried to. Sounds very familiar. Very familiar. We'll do, you know. No, I, you know, and unfortunately, my, my health really wasn't getting that, you know, much better. I mean, I was probably a little bit less as pretty, but a bit cleaner. But I was so stressed, so stuck in that parasympathetic or sorry, so stuck in the sympathetic, stressed stress response and just so chronically exhausted.

I just couldn't sum up enough energy to heal and, you know, I think that's a really, really important thing is you need a lot of energy to heal when you have very, very little or zero energy, it's really hard to get better because your body just doesn't have the energy and resources to sort of elicit that, that healing response, the that you need, you know, a long and short, you know, I suddenly realized it's like, oh, if I don't have any energy, maybe I should study where where energy came from.

And you, you there's a Yahoo at the time is is 25 years ago. It's not. But Yahoo was the dominant search engine anyway. I was I was looking up energy and I came across this term by energetics, which is the study and I say it's now the study Detection and Correction of energy in living systems. I was like, well, you know who the prominent researchers in this space. I, I came across this scientist from Australia called Professor Peter Fraser, and he'd set up the first acupuncture college. And in Melbourne University, and now they're about 45, 50 years ago, he, he, he, he ended up leaving Melbourne University.

And just because Melbourne University didn't actually like, you know, sort of start studying Chinese is and he ended up mapping the energy of the huge human body field in a much more detailed manner. And then he was also just healthy, helping patients on the side to sort of pay, pay for the research really. And, you know, I, I came across this article on quantum biology, which you'd written, which I only understood like ten, 10% of it.

Discovering Energy Medicine and Founding Ness Health 6:34

But, you know, sometimes you, you know, you just I just had this intuition. I really needed to, to get noticed, and also had a completely crazy idea. I've got more crazy ideas for later, but the idea of 25 years ago, which was to create, create a home wellness system that could help people from the comfort of their own, home. And, you know, the thing for me is, you know, I was super sick. Well, I was super sick. I just thought if if there was a way of helping people at home because I couldn't travel to, to doctors to, to actually find that they would have to rely on my parents, which, you know, you don't really want to sort of get to do that all the time.

And I just thought, yeah, I could get some income, you know, be I could help other people get better and, you know, see, we'll see. What I really wanted was to get to get better myself. And, you know, fortunately, Peter. Peter. Like that idea we agreed to me. We ended up meeting in Los Angeles, and I flew from England. He flew from Australia. And, you know, so for whatever reason, we actually got on quite well. And, I mean, I was 26, very sick. And he was, like, stiff 57 year old scientist like you.

There's a very large sort of gap in that. But for whatever reason, the sort of intellectual chemistry worked and, anyway, you know, we ended up forming this, this company called called Masshealth to, to basically make this whole wellness system, it actually ended up a practitioner system because, actually, well, because I was so young and naive and didn't have any money or any staff, and a friend's father was like, well, why don't you, like, do this to practitioners? Because, you know, you're really not ready for the public.

I say, okay. So anyway, so we ended up the building out this practitioner company and, you know, it was just an amazing process. We basically did ten year, ten, ten more years of, of R&D to refine what we now called the bondage Asset wellness system. And, you know, obviously I got my health back, which is yeah, another question or story. But anyway, there you go. That's that's awesome. Yeah. Very, very cool. Hey, one thing I love that you said you said you need energy to heal. So people who are sick and many of those people are in their sympathetic nervous system a lot of the time because they're afraid and they're burning up energy.

That's what I noticed when I had chronic fatigue. I didn't have it for as long as you had, but I was burning up so much energy and like, why am I so tired? I just slept for 12 hours and I couldn't walk to the bathroom, but I was burning up energy. And you need. You need it. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, well, I mean, when you're sick, your control system, if you like, is just super, super inefficient. You know, a bunch of examples of that, you know, you know, like, you know, if you, if you exercise hard and all your muscles are tight, just when your muscles are tight, that's actually burns up more energy.

You know, we already spoke about the sympathetic system. Like, when you're stressed, anxious thoughts just get, you know, turn around, turn around. Your head is, it's burning off the energy. And, you know, and if you've got some low lying viral, you know, post-viral fatigue where your, your immune system hasn't quite tackled the VOC. The virus is in you like it's, oh, it's always going. It's always like, mildly trying to elicit this immune response, but it doesn't have enough energy to totally resolve it.

So it's also, the burning of energy and, you know, really, I think one of the most important things in healing is to actually get your control system to be energy efficient, because, I mean, it's pretty simple, but basically, if you've got enough energy, if you've got more, if you've got more energy to heal than you are, then you're actually using currently, you will elicit a healing response. I mean, you get on the path to getting better, but, you know, when you've got less energy than you actually need to elicit a healing response, you just.

Yeah, you do. Just stay stay in that state. And, I know I sort of describe, I sort of describe like the body of as a basically a bit, a bit like a body battery. But you know, based I mean, basically that's really the whole game is you want to conserve you, you want to conserve your energy and gently, you know, build up your, your energy reserves to, you know, to till you can get into getting a place where your body, body can heal itself and get itself back to being efficient. Yeah. And it's super hard to realize that not many people teach us a bit of an old ones.

So you what you've been doing is you've been looking at ways to connect technology to humanity to help with that. Is that correct? Yeah. I mean, our whole thing is like, well, let let's make the body's control system more, more efficient, so that you are, basically, you know, basically replenish, replenish. And the healing and get yourself back and we do it in a few different ways, but I'll just describe on how we do it and on the practitioner company. Yeah, we like we we have a system. You can actually do it for you.

We used to do it for for a scan, where we basically scan your whole body field, which the energy field, the body. And we look for where there's blocks, blocks in that energy flow. So you might have a block in, like, you know, your, your, your kidney meridian or, or in your heart, or there might be a mind body connection that's, you might have trauma. That's that's causing an energy block. But by basically firstly we identify that. And then secondly, we basically want to elicit a healing response.

Just clean in that area so we can get the energy to flow again. And the up to do that actually we use well we use what we now call interview skills. But it's basically we take a biological blueprint of how a different part of the body is when it's working optimally. And we present that to the body and the body, and the, the body. Fortunately, as long as there's enough energy around that generally is, it'll basically elicit healing response. It'll correct that part of your body control system and then obviously energy stuff flow again and you start to feel better.

Wow. So you can actually scan the you can scan the body and see where the blockages are and, and be able to, to correct because that's really, really cool. And that's with your next technology. Yeah. We call it the just a wellness system. And it's yeah that's on NSS health.com. And you this is I can't remember I think it was like 2200 practitioners around, you know, around the world and let's say around the world, it's mostly in the States and in Europe and Australia is. No, no, not necessarily in other countries.

Yeah. That's awesome. So people can find practitioners there. They can, but because we can do it through because we can do it through voice. Actually do it all remotely. So I mean, it's a it's a cloud based systems. Wow. You have to go physically to a practitioner. That's amazing. So talk about the voice. How do you do it through voice. That's really interesting. Oh got a question about. So, well, you know, no one's all sweet, but it's, it's good of the, basically basically through, basically through resonance.

So, you know, in, in, in physics, there's this, there's this principle is this principle of, of quantum entanglement. Which is really saying that absolutely everything in reality is, is connected. And, you know, and another way of some sometimes people use the work, the word holographic. So, like, you know, like, for instance, you know, you can do like palm reflexology or foot reflexology and every part of the body is, you know, really well, the palm. This is a geology, you know, where every part is reflects in the eye.

So, and in a similar way, you know, basically every organ and, part of your body is also reflected in the voice. So, yeah, they, they basically we just mapped out all these sets of sets of frequencies. And then we just found different resonances with all these different parts of the story with different parts of the voice. Interesting. That's fascinating. So people can literally be in their home but talk or do something where, where, where you're, you just talk for, you just talk. Well, generally we just have them come up to 20.

So real out the 20s and that that gives us, gives us enough information. It gives us enough of, a tag, as I say, because it because it's really working or is it's really working, on resonance. You know, how you know how people will do, like muscle testing? Sure. Elements testing or, there's these old vigor test type sayings. Is it? It's a similar idea. We're we're basically using the voice as the the sort of that we're, that we're testing, that we're testing against. We're basically just asking if you like this voice sample, you know, is, is your heart healthy?

Is your kidney healthy, all these different organs. And then we're, yeah. And they were basically using a resonance technique against that. You know, with dance. Yeah. We basically, you know, don't just go, so statistically on that analysis on that, and then we basically just end up looking, well,

How Voice-Based Scanning Detects Energy Blocks 16:48

we're basically looking for deviation away way from normal. And if some, you know, but these things would be around the, the, the sort of normal, meat. I'm getting a bit too mathematical, but but basically we just we just look just look for spike. We just look for spikes that are very, very, unlike lead to the, to be random. And therefore, and if they're very statistically significant, we, we know that that's a protein within the body. And because, because we have like cloud based software and we have like, these health questionnaires that people do as well, we've been able to correlate them statistically over anyway.

For us. Fascinating. So everything's working together. The voice can give out information just like, the pulse or any other system of the body I love. I was reading earlier your moonshot idea of recoding the body's healing system, which sounds like you've you've done a lot of it already. And restoring 1 billion people to health. One of the things you said to that helps your recovery from chronic fatigue was not just making it about you having a cause bigger than yourself. Talk about that a little bit.

Sure. That that definitely helped to pull me out because, you know, when you well, you know, if you if you just got the Zionist of obesity was a very natural desire that, you know, you just you just want to get better. Not necessarily. So many people are going to help you, but, you know, when like in, like in our case, because our sort of, our purpose now cause was to help lots of people get get better and, you know, byproduct obviously I did hope I would get better too. But that was sort of a, you know, more of a byproduct to the thinking that that's actually what attracted people in the knowledge, like, you know, teacher from there, like, you know, if I'd just gone to and said, treat me, or you would have charged with me a couple of times.

That's not quite the same as like, Peter, let's let's make this home wellness system and help lots of people. So, you know, I well, I've got to spend, you know, huge amount of time over ten years, unfortunately died in the end. But, you know, Oh, no. You know, yes. The basic basically that purpose that was, that was bigger than myself, you know, brought in, you know, some amazing, amazing scientists and amazing practitioners, which obviously, you know, I gained a lot of knowledge from help to help ourselves get better.

So, yeah, you know. Yeah, purpose is super, super, super important in life, for sure. And, and even if there's, let's say stay I was in super sick. No, you know, no money, etc.. And obviously a lot of people listening this or if you think you may be in position, all I would say is, you know, even when you're right down in rock bottom, honestly, you can have a purpose bigger than yourself. And having that purpose will will help lift you out. Even though it will seem really daunting. And it is incredibly daunting.

But I do. It works. Yeah. Well, you you have a huge heart. I, I could tell when I first and we just met recently via email, after somebody from the summit had met you and said, hey, he should be a speaker, and I, I had just I had not been feeling well the past couple of days. And my family was like, go get a Covid test. And so my daughter, like, we have scheduled it and I, I don't think I have Covid, but I went there and it was I did not have Covid, but I think I had some kind of flu like symptoms.

And as soon as you heard that, you're like, okay, here's what you need to do, and you're giving me advice and, and sent me a couple of your, you sent me a couple things from your, Well, what did you send me? Yeah. They haven't come in quite yet. I can't wait to try them. They're called in skills, but it's, You know, I'll have to. I'll have to word this delicately. Yeah. So the era, the wonderful, although I think the summit is so good, that they, So it's pretty interesting, but basically in, San Diego University, at the moment, you know, because all grants last year, medical grants, you know, all go like shifted to cut to Covid, the, the, the, you know, the, the university there obviously are pursuing all this period research.

And I met it's called Professor Hamil. He's head of the cardiology and, you're not from, neurobiology or something like that. So the University of I met him a Joe Dispenza, events. He's doing research with Joe Benza. And, you know, we got talking, and the Covid comes off a lot in people's conversations these days. And, you know, we have we have some sets of information that can work is like a preventative, preventative measure. Oh. So it's a corrective measures agreed between the lines. And basically.

Anyway, so we sent anyways. And so these are two schools and he's, he's basically he can take, take my, sorry lung tissue coat. And then we feed, we feed into the, the medium. In it's just information that, that will help lung tissue reject certain viral particles. And, you know, I'm not gonna sit directly here. You can guess what I'm saying. Like, and then and then they basically. And then they basically put, put the viral fragments

Purpose, Healing, and the Power of Bigger Goals 22:48

into lung tissue and they can measure, how far, fragments will, you know, will penetrate or get will get rejected. Only a basic in this scene is very, very strong response the tissue, reject, reject or fragments more when we've, imprinted it with, with our bio information. You know, unfortunately, I can't make that publicly available. They would come with me with, like, you know, we'd see them dragging you out of your, then, like, send you some privately at no cost. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. Yeah. So. So, you are a movie maker also, which is really super cool.

You're your biggest hit was The Living Matrix. And then, I think and another project called supercharge. Can you talk about the movies a little bit? Yeah, sure. You know, one, one of the things when you don't. Well, if people don't read lot, you know, if people don't necessarily read lots of books, but they what? They watch movies more. And whenever it was 12 odd years ago, you know, like, we knew what we were doing was pretty amazing. But we'll send you a lot of people, you know, never, never heard of it.

And it didn't know the the budget was can get so we just. Yeah. Anyway, so we just thought, well, let's make a movie. And again, it's a case of the completely in this innocent and ignorant of what you're getting into. But fortunately, you know, we, we, one of our, one of our customers owned a she owned, like, a video advertising company. He was. His name is Greg Becker. We got talking, and we basically decided to make a movie for how to, you know, film, edit, etc.. Well, see, I knew the sort of, the, you know, the content and who's, who to go and interview and say, like, I did the interviews and then he did, you know, he he basically did all the production and, you know, and I think we had beginner's luck that ended up the best selling elective eventually.

In a row back at oh eight. Oh, nice. Yeah. Right in the middle of the financial crisis. But this fun. And then, and then this movie's supercharged. When did that come out? Let's see, the second one was, choice point, choice point allowing you to, you know, which, you know, if you want to know more about, you know, purpose in that side that that's a great movie that has, like, really, Richard Branson, you mentioned Bob remarks, how about your friend Jack Kemp? Is in a, shameful dish or a dull moment is, you know, Dalai Lama.

Wow. Okay. Actually, do you know what? He's in our course of that. He's not in the movie. I don't wanna misplace that. Anyway, he, What's that thing anyway? You know, that that one, that one, you know, unfortunately, Greg was going through a divorce, but he couldn't make it with us, so we we did that one alone. That that was actually very expensive. It was very clever. And it didn't work out as well as the other one. But the close you the film, it was, was good. You know, it was it was that was fun that I actually hot hot dogs.

But anyway the whole this that's a whole other little story. But anyway. Yeah. And then years later we made known to supercharged is more just more just looking at this actually is looking at that body battery type idea. And there's a main sort of concept and it's quite interesting. Which is basically basically how the body can work as a, as a water battery. And it really looks into house, structure water works in the cell. And how like, if, photons and infrared heat, you know, when it hits structured water, it spins out electrons, electrons.

Well, electrons based basically sort of primal, energy source, the body. You know, we don't really think of it, but even food, food ultimately gets converted down to an electron transfer. The transfer chain, ox. You know, oxygen is a source of electrons. Light is grounding. All these, you know, all these things. You know, ultimately, we're all living off. Living off electrons. This sort of it's overall, you know, I call it like, it's basically a body water battery. Anyway, I don't know, you know, we like looking at old concepts that people.

Oh, they're not on. I love these concepts. So where where can people find these movies now, Harry? You know, if if you're a client of Nestle, opt in on Nest Healthcare. And then by the way, NASA's n e s health.com. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you opt in that or, you know, become a client or sign up to a free client account all all the movies are in. Oh. That's awesome. Yeah. On the what was portal dot net. So but, you know, always you can find them in, in iTunes and like and Gaia TV and and. Okay Amazon for that you know all that sort of places.

Yeah that a great way to do it is go to NASA health.com opt in and then you have access to the movies. That's awesome. Yeah. So you're writing a book about the the four physics principles that, if applied, can help restore energy for life.

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Can you what can you tell us what those four principles are, Harry? Yeah. Well, we've written the book. Oh, it's already done. Okay, cool. I think you can also get I think you get that book on that self-conscious. Well, Wow. Okay, I'm going to sign up today. Get the book and the movies. I'm good. I'm going to check the. What happens when you sign up now? But. Yeah, but yeah. So yeah. Principle one is the, light life is is an energy, an energy exchange. You know, some of these ideas talking about with people's energy, with, with your environment.

Two is fields. Actually, I think free is fields govern energy. Which is basically this whole idea the, the, the basically an energy field, is basically or an overall control system and you know, above, above genetics and biochemistry, Carmel two is off the top of my head because I've it's a project from two years ago. And so I said years ago and then the four the fourth one is, information. Information opposes entropy, which, you know, people can be like, what's that? But based on the basically, you know, basically the body, the body in life loves, loves order.

And, you know, our whole thing, by providing information for this is to help it get more. It's to help it get more ordered. And disease is going towards disorder. And, you know, cancer is built for manifestation of that, where you have, you know, an entropic, chaotic systems. So you end up in, with, with, with death. But, and really it's just from a practical from a practical point of view within apologetics. We're just trying to help the body, you know, get away from and and provide order. We're trying to help, the body's control, so.

And, more, more energy inefficient. We we also teach people about how you can exchange garments so you can get plenty of energy recharge that that body battery. Take the if you can optimize the both control system, and also raise the raise your body's energy, you know help health will will be the result. Yeah. So amazing stuff you've done already. You've helping so many people I know you're not done yet. You've got more things coming. And I don't know how much you can talk about it, but, I know you've been working with wearables and different things like that.

Can you give us a little sneak peek of some things that might be down the road and or that you're working on? Yeah, 100%. You know, because our, our original, original dream was really to help the person, like, own who really wants to help himself rather than necessarily, you know, good, work with a practitioner. So basically, we've got this built, this new, new brand, the I think it'll hit the market around like March, April, which is for 2022, March, April 2022. Back. The May is energy number for life.com.

And so you can see some information about that. But basically you know it's a if you really interest basically it's a personalized energy management system to basically help with your energy issues with the well and it'll basically detect correct and affect your energy and how how it's detecting your energy. So, you know how like you have like an aura ring or aura move you that give you an overall indication, your health, an insight that that we has. So we've got some knowledge of Chinese medicine, Chinese medicine.

You can buy just in doing finger pressure on your you can pick up but 29 different TCM. You know, we realized well that we must be able to do that with a p g sense. So we started mapping, looking at the the basic the shape of the overall pulse wave. Instead of just heart rate variability, your heart rate, which, you know, every other, you know, Fitbit, Apple we've already and yeah, that's been pretty fascinating. So we've basically, you know, got that down to a little sticker where we can take pick up your, the shape for your pulse, 24 seven. Wow.

And then you can pick up like sort of five element theory. And in TCM, obviously this whole body battery idea is, you know, where you are, your energy. But also, you know, where you are. We will these core, core emotions. And then. Yeah, then I'll move on to the. Correct. Well, so, you know, with an honest world, we send you these, bottles of in the suit goes in, in the post where we're basically imprinted in, in information into, into structured water, and you drink structured water, but you can actually do that directly in, in, into the body.

So just made this, it basically just use like a red, green and red light cloth, PMS and then we use these similar sets of information that we've, you know, you know, mapping the human body field in, in this, but it's all tied in directly to, what the sticker is, you know. Yeah, it's it's basically constant. It's constantly helping you to back to basically back to your energy and, and restore, restore your health in real time. So yeah, it's like a little wearable walks in a, a little sticker, and then the protect bit, which is, protect your energy.

That actually, it's a nice new idea. But we've basically made these personalized meditations, and the, you know, instead of like, I guess the standard meditation is, is personalized readings that it's, it's getting for me. So, like if you, for instance, need more courage in the moment or, you know, a trust issue that, in all the words anyway, that basically the words are personalized to, to what's going on for you, that that day, you know, it was well, maybe it's not, but if you can help yourself get in your parasympathetic state, you can help, you know, block some of the, some of the trauma and the things that are going, you know, go going on in your mind, you're gonna you're able to save we'll see much, much more energy.

And, you know, back to what we were saying before, you know, if we can, if we can calm, calm you down and help, you know, help you recover and replenish your energy. Then at some point, you know, you have more energy than you need. You'll you will, Alyssa. Healing response and, you know, recover, recover your health so that I affect your energy as well as the top of it. Why? I love that I'll be one of your first customers. I love I love things like I think, I, I think actually just speaking to some, actually vessel and some other people, I, I think for this, by the time this summit is we're going to have a pre-sales page up on that.

Oh, no. To make read you can you can register your interest. Yeah, that would be cool. Yeah. And and the website again, tell us what it is. Harry. It's energy for like, the number four. Yeah. Energy for life.com. Yeah. Okay. Great. Awesome. Wow. You know, I love how, in the in the best, in the best of all worlds, technology can merge with us in a way where it is really, really helpful, not harmful, but helpful. And it seems like that's what you're doing with with ness. You've done that. And now with Unit, with energy for life and the products are going to be bringing out.

You're doing that to so many, so helpful to so many. I think your goal of bringing a billion people to health is definitely something that you're going to accomplish. So it's amazing. Any final words you'd like to share with people that are watching this? You've given them a lot of really cool ideas and a better understanding of how the body works, and some potential ways that they can. They can access your technology. Any any other things you'd like to share with them? You know, I might I might just share general thing that probably applies release the interviews and the space is like, you know, trillions of dollars have gone into studying up on a screen.

It's studying biochemistry, pharmaceuticals, genetics, etcetera. You know, really hardly, hardly any dollars has gone into looking for energetics or basically the, the physics of biology. But, you know, I, I try basically, you know, I really, I really believe the next, the next 20, 30, 30 years, it's really the, the whole sort of, I think that's going to start turning it down as people really realize the importance of the physics, the physics, the biology. And, you know, all I would say is like, you know, born of Jesse.

It really is. It really is really like the same. It's the same. Sorry. It's just the other side. It's just the other side of health care to to by energetics. And you know, I think you're going to see it the next 20, 30, years it to have its rightful sort of equal, equal place to, biochemistry. And, you know, there's a lot of. Yeah, I, you know, I think yeah, it's just just and, you know, I know a lot of us in this field over because we haven't we haven't had resources like, we believe it, we know it, but we have we haven't had the science necessarily to help, back us up.

But I would say, like this, this when you actually start looking into it, the site, the science is that the science is there. And, if there's any scientists listening who, who want to help God, please just look me up because we're completely, completely dedicated to help make the science feel provable. This out. So, you know, I love it. Yeah, I love that. Well, you're right, there's, as you said, billions and billions and billions, maybe even trillions of dollars going down one route, you know, a more traditional way.

What if a fraction of those resources went down this route? I think there could be some huge breakthroughs because I think this is the right route anyways. Right? This is the route where you're going to really delve into the body and not look at it as much like a science project, but this living system that can be interacted with in ways that are not just not just dealing with a symptom, but really bringing it to a higher level of just vibrancy and life. And thank God you're a pioneer. That's helping people start to realize that and providing some really great solutions.

Right now, and then coming up again in March or April next year that they can access. So, Harry, thank you so much for being part of this summit. And, and also, helping to sponsor this summit. It's been great having you on board. And I know a lot of people will be going to Neil's health.com accessing the videos there that that you've made the the films that you've made. They get the book. And then also you can find a practitioner or you can become a practitioner potentially too. And then energy for number for life.com.

That technology looks amazing. As I said, I'll be one of your first customers. So Harry, thanks so much for being part of the summit. No thank you. I was great pleasure. And, you know, thank you for thank you for doing this interview so early on the sun on the Sunday mornings. A lot of time constraints, right. You appreciate. No problem. I'm glad we were able to do it. Harry, have a great rest of your day. You're going to climb a mountain later today. What's up? Definitely going to go hiking and then.

Okay, hiking the feel. You know, I'll come to your company to plan out how we're going to release all this science. So it's going to be interesting. Okay. A lot of work to do. Have a great day, Harry. We'll talk soon. Thank you. For.