Raymon Grace Discusses The potential For Dowsing

Raymon Grace

Thanks for the invitation. I really appreciate it.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. And so I said this the last time we interviewed you for the Global Energy Healing Summit. When most people think of an energy healer, they don’t think of somebody that, you know, lives on a mountain. And you know, is, is talks with the Southern Draw, you know, they think of some hippy dippy type person so you don’t fit the mold. So just quickly share with us your story about how you became so interested in working with energy and, a little bit about how you got so good at it too.

Raymon Grace

Well, I’ll keep this brief if I talked too long, just tell me to stop. But when I was about 16 years old, I was in an algebra class and the teacher made a statement that day, Einstein, according to the scientific studies had used only approximately 10% of his brain. Well, I had heard of Einstein, but I really had no clue who he was. But I had gotten the impression that he was a very intelligent person. So I had the thought that day If he only used 10% of his brain wonder what he could have done if he could use 25%. Well, I stood out on a quest that day without telling anybody what I was doing and that is still going on today. Many years later. What can we do with our mind? So that has led me down a lot of long crooked dirt roads. Sometimes. Sometimes we’re dead end. Sometimes they were very rewarding. 

So, that’s really what I did. I started reading everything I could get my hands on. That was unusual and what you might call not common knowledge. Well, later on became a lecture for Jose Silva with his silver mind control. And I learned quite a bit from him, incorporated that with some shamanism, which the native American people had always interested me and I got to be friends with some very good ones. And then I learned about dowsing and I found out that we could do a lot of things was doubting that the average person never heard of before. So what I really did incorporated all of those trainings and experiences into one and that’s the class that you attended. It was a mixture of all three of those things, mind control, shamanism and dousing along with just thinking with an open mind and wondering, okay, what can we do next? So that’s how I got to where I am.

Tom McCarthy

I love that. I love that. That is such a, you gave a very brief version of it, but it’s an amazing story. You know, young guy in algebra class hearing that Einstein only use 10% of his mind and deciding. All right, I’m gonna use more of my mind and you certainly have done that and, and I think you would you know, you are many years into this quest, but I love the fact that you said also you’re still learning every day. And that’s one of the things I love about you. You’re still trying new things you’re learning, you’re exploring, you’re very inquisitive and you know, it’s so cool to see. So, let’s get into some of your philosophies. 

So I know that you believe everything is energy and, and Einstein said that too and that energy follows thought. And so when we think things we, we literally are creating our future, talk to us more about that because I think people hear that right? They’ve, they’ve heard that maybe from other sources, but you are one of the biggest believers and so committed to this concept, talk a little bit more. Why this is so critical for people that want to heal or improve their lives.

Raymon Grace

Well, the future is composed of thoughts not yet materialized. That is a quote I got from Jose Silva. He was a very intelligent man. I learned a lot from him. So if we want to change our lives, we have to change the way we think because energy follows thought and our thoughts affect our belief system and our belief system is the dominant factor that controls everything that happens to us. Whether we believe we can or whether we believe we can’t. We’re right. So we’re always gonna do better believing that we can accomplish something rather than believing that we’re weak or help us and there’s nothing we can do about it. 

So, I think people give me more credit for intelligence than I might might be correct. But the biggest thing I have going for me is I just don’t know. I can’t. And that’s it. I’m willing to try anything that seems to be reasonable that or even within reason that might possibly work. And I do my best not to dwell upon lack and limitation, but to dwell upon success and accomplishments. And now I’ve found out what I was saying and giving hillbilly version of what other knowledgeable people that said centuries ago. Like an old German philosopher, I believe his name was ghost spelled G O T G E. He said, see a man as he is and he will get worse, see him as he could be and he will improve. Why? Because if you see a person doing better than what they are doing, you’re sending energy to make that happen. 

And energy follows. Thought. As a matter of fact, Willie Nelson has a song out now, energy follows thought. I’m glad really made that song. Hoping it’s gonna change a lot of people’s mind out there in the world. Yes, you really do have ability to create your own future. And that’s probably the biggest method. Biggest message that I have to offer to people is you create your own future and you do it by starting with the way you think because then if you think a certain way in a better way, you will act better. If you act better, better things will happen to you. It’s really pretty simple.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, I love that. You know, and it’s such a simple concept and, and people I think have all dabbled in it like they’ve tried it for like, you know, I’ll try it for the next day or the next hour, I’ll see myself better than I am or, you know, focused more on where I wanna go. They don’t stick with it. You’ve stuck with it, you know, for so many years. And, and why, why do, why do you think? And, you know, maybe we don’t have the answer but why do you think people struggle so much with focusing more on what they really want? They get so stuck and focusing on where they are, the lack or the, you know, the illness, what, what is it about human beings that makes them that makes this, it’s such a simple message but it makes it so challenging for people to do it. And what advice would you have for people that really want to do it but have tried it and failed in the past?

Raymon Grace

Well, I think a lot of it, especially in the world that I lived in comes from association with other people and I lived in a culture and I think a lot of people do where people beat themselves down. Humility may not be such a bad thing, but it has been highly overrated. So if you grew up in a culture where people talked about their aches and pains, their lack of limitations, they dwells on poverty. How can you ever expect to do any better if you continue to follow that path? So what I did, I decided to become an independent thinker. I wouldn’t let anybody else think for me, I’d make my own decisions. And I Tom, I’ve done a lot of stuff in the world around the world in the last probably 25 30 years. And not one time, did I ever ask anybody? Can I do this? I just did it because if I had asked if I could clean up a lake in Australia. 

And we had this story on the last interview we did where I got 27 emails from people who were in on a very small conference there. I was doing my Skype Zoom or whatever. But 27 people wrote me, thanking me for giving them for giving them better tasting water. Well, now the world knows that’s impossible, but I didn’t know it. So I’m very thankful to be able to do that for people. Matter of fact, two weeks ago, I did a film with a couple in Alaska and right at the end of the film, matter of fact, that is in my newsletter that April sent out for me yesterday, I believe it was. And at the end of the film, the couple said that they had very poor tasting water there. Let me see what I can do and I worked on it all 30 seconds maybe. 

And I said, now go to the kitchen and get you a glass of water. Come back in here where I can see you on the camera and take a sip of it. Well, I do this to a lot of people in, in Australia Europe across America if I’m doing a Zoom or Skype session with them and I’ll ask them to go get a couple of water, sit down in front of the camera now take a sip because I want to see their face. Well, it changes they look happy the water tastes good. Okay, tom, I’ve been doing this for years and it’s just one of the simple things because I set a goal probably about 37 years ago to start to clean up the water on this planet. I had no clue how I was gonna do it. I just said to go over to do it and I never lost sight of their goal. I was just determined I will learn how to clean up water and help, the people I work with to have good tasting water. 

I do it for every class that I teach. I say you folks get home. It would be good tasting water, run out of your faucet. Well, if there is, I get a lot of emails back. A lot of folks. Thank you. Very thankful to do it. Now, have I reached a point? I can do it for the entire world. Not yet. I may or may not ever reach that point because people have to take responsibility for themselves and we got to get people off of spiritual welfare. We got, I’m in the business of teaching people not doing things for them. Yeah, I’ll do something like give them a good taste of water, run out of the fall because I want attention. If they can believe that, then they can probably believe something else that they might be able to do. So that’s the best way that I’m going to help people is first give them something that gets their attention and then show them how to do it and some people will. Some people won’t actually most people won’t. And that’s why I say we’ve got to get people off of spiritual welfare. If they’re gonna accomplish anything, they got to do something.

Tom McCarthy

And this is really important. I think a lot of people think, you know, I can just go to an energy healer and that person’s gonna fix me. But if you have this, the same old crappy belief system and same old thoughts, you know, maybe what they do will have an impact, but you’re gonna put yourself back into that situation or create a stuck nous because of, of, of what you’re thinking and, and what your belief system is. And so I love that, you know, people need to take responsibility for their own healing and take responsibility for the planet. I mean, you’re literally and, and Raymon is doing this and he says cleaning up the water, he’s not flying to Australia and you know, getting in the water and, and doing things. 

He’s doing it with his mind, talk to us about how that can be done because for some people, this may be a new concept like Raymon, how can you clean up water in Australia when you’re in the mountains of Virginia and you’re doing it with your mind, explain your belief system around that because not only can you clean up water, you can, you can help people heal remotely, right? Not just you, anyone can write if they’re, if they’re trained and you do great classes on that. You can help the people be happier, more, have more prosperity. All sorts of things can be done within your mind. So talk about your belief system around that, that you don’t have to even be with a person or B B at the water source. You can do it through your mind anywhere in the world or maybe even in the universe.

Raymon Grace

Well, let me start out to say that I first learned a trick from Jose Silva always like to give credit where it’s due. And I learned a lot from the man now, I don’t have a glass or cup here with me right now, but I’m just going to use my hands here. So the camera can pick it up. But back in January of 97, I had learned to energize about a half a small glass of water, like whatever my fingers would cover right here. If I had a glass of water in my hand, I could enter. If, as long as I didn’t feel the glass any higher than the length of my fingers here, I could energize that water. Well, why did I have that belief system? Well, I had seen Jose Silva do it and he, but he had, even though I greatly respect the fellow, he was limited to the belief that he could energize only as much as his fingers would cover. Okay. That’s what I was doing. Why? Because it was all I knew how to do and I wanted to share it with people. I don’t think I’m gonna teach the entire class how to do this. Well, it was a man in class that day and you met him, Jeff Jones and I had never met Jeff before. He just had heard about the class and showed up and he said, are you energizing water? And I said, well, yeah, I guess so he said, you’re putting energy and water, is that correct? And I said, well, as far as I know that’s what I’m doing. He said, well, if you’re putting energy in that water, I can put vitamins and minerals in it. I said, well, I never thought about that, but you’re probably right. Go ahead and give it a try. 

You got nothing to lose. Well, he found out that he could put vitamins and minerals in that water and he didn’t have to eat food. He didn’t particularly want to eat food anyway. As a matter of fact, Jeff is a local person here And whenever I teach classes, I usually invite him up at his convenience, just to give a talk to the rest of the folks, let them ask any questions he wants because he’s a very unusual person and he’s accomplished what I don’t know anyone else has ever accomplished. He basically has lived on water for 25 years now and these people said that that can’t be done well, for those people saying that they probably can’t do it, but he doesn’t know that he can’t. So he does. 

Not only that he started using the method I taught him to energize water by holding it like that for a while. And then he finally said, why should I do that? Why don’t I just energize water with intent? So every time he buys a bottle of water, as soon as he picks it up, it immediately becomes energized. This is the power of intent. Now, I get a lot of questions asking. Well, how do you change water on the other side of the world or how do you stop a serial killer and makes them less dangerous. How do you clean up various places? I can sum it up in one word, intent, but what really gives the intent power? So let’s get a little bit technical here. It is focusing with the brain in a lower vibration. 

For example, what is known as the alpha A L P H A alpha brain frequency. That is really where the power of thought is, is in low brain frequencies. So by thinking and adjusting my brain to that frequency, that adds power to your thoughts. And I know the question is gonna be. Well, how do you do that? And you do it with imagination and with intention and by relaxation, I offer frequency is another way of saying relaxing the brain. It’s a simple way of saying. But that’s really what it is. And when you reach that level, your brain has more power than it does in a normal beta brain frequency. So it’s really simple. People want to complicate things way too much, but all it really is is relaxation and imagination, really. Nothing else. And it’s so there’s no reason to use a lot of big words or too many words. That’s it right there. Relax your mind, use imagination, you can perform miracles. So there’s no reason to complicate it.

Tom McCarthy

Well and that’s really important because I think a lot of people are trying to do it with a busy mind, right? And so what Raymon just said is when you lower the brainwave frequency to an alpha state and kind of a meditative almost daydreaming state you taught me this, that thoughts have more power right there. They’re gonna be more, more able to create what you want.

Raymon Grace

Now, you can call it meditation and there’s nothing wrong with that or you can call it imagination and there’s nothing wrong with that.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Raymon Grace

It’s probably one and the same both will put you in a lower brain frequency. I don’t want to get real technical on brain frequencies in this interview because we got a lot of other things to talk about. But basically relax your mind. Concentrate whenever you concentrate on something is I think I did the demonstration in the class, you were in, imagine what something looks like. Smells like, tastes like, feels like employ your five senses that and thinking about something will help you to lower your brain frequency and then think of what you want to happen. Einstein and Willie Nelson both say energy follows thought.

Tom McCarthy

I like how you work Willie Nelson in with Einstein. That’s good. Like that. One of the other things I thought was really cool that you’ve taught me is so you talked about the five senses but using, when you’re visualizing, using your, your hands, right? And arms, how that accentuates and, and powers up your thoughts also.

Raymon Grace

The way I said, Tom is our hands are exclamation points for our thoughts. I don’t know if I told the story about cutting the tornado in half or not, but I use my hands and a knife to do that. I’ve also split clouds a lot to part the rain and I don’t do this just for fun. I don’t do it just for somebody’s convenient so much. I do it. You know, if it really needs to be done. Now, I’m not gonna say that I’ve always succeeded. That’s not true. I’m just say that I win more than I lose.

Tom McCarthy

So that’s awesome exclamation points. That’s a cool way of thinking about it. And actually when I do that, when I take your advice and I use my hands, I can literally feel like exclamation points happening in my body and my mind. So that is a really, really cool technique and you’ve got so many things, I mean, I hope people that are watching this will check out what you offer the classes, the, the books, the videos that they can get from you. Where can they, I, well, tell everyone again about this later on, but where can they get in touch with you Raymon?

Raymon Grace

Through my website, Raymongrace.us.

Tom McCarthy

And that’s where they can get the web, the newsletter and all sorts of different classes and things like that from you. Right.

Raymon Grace

Well, we send out a free newsletter. We get out every month and all you have to do is go to Raymongracefoundation.org and sign up for it. It’s free.

Tom McCarthy

One of the interesting things that, you know, we’ve talked about is you’ve been measuring energy for many, many years and, and you do it through dowsing, which we’ll talk about dowsing a little bit later and maybe you’ll even do a little dowsing for everybody just so that they, when they watch this, they can have an experience of that. But one of the things that you’ve discovered through your own methodology of measuring energy is that there seems to be more energy now on the planet, which is exciting to me because it’s like, hey, things are accelerating, we can create things quicker and faster. But can you talk a little bit about that. I can talk a little bit about it.

Raymon Grace

To be quite honest, I’m not sure that I have all of the right answers. And I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything. I’m just going to tell you what I have found. I learned to measure energy from an old trapper. living up in a very remote section of northern Alberta. No running water, no electricity. I learned more from him about energy than I have from everyone else combined. And he taught me how to measure energy back in 98 and back around the turn of the century, I would talk, making talks across the country. And I talked a lot about energy back then. I don’t talk as much about it now, but I will say a few things. This is what I believe happened, but I don’t know for a fact, I’m right because there is something called schuman S C H U M A N schuman residence. And it was the vibration of the earth. The native American people knew that they didn’t have any technology to measure it with. They didn’t knew it, but they called it the heartbeat of the mother Earth. I think they were saying exactly the same thing and it vibrated according to the scientific shell of seven 0.83, Hertz. Now when I say that I’m already above my pay grade, but related more to the Native American way of saying the heartbeat of the mother Earth. Well, on the fourth of December of 98 that seemed to have changed. It speeded up and I had no clue what was happening. 

But I started measuring what I call the energy of the earth and I won’t get into too many numbers here. But I saw it start to change gradually. At first, I really didn’t know what was happening, but I was making talks pretty much across America then. And I was telling folks what I had found and I found that other people hardly knew anything at all about it. And I didn’t know very much, but I have continued to measure the energy. And every day I do that. So anytime I’m working with a client, the first thing I do is measure the energy of their body and then I measure the energy of their home. 

I have my own scale, which I don’t want to get into detail here gets a little bit complicated. But people with low energy are not able to accomplish as much. And I found by getting read a certain things affecting them or changing the energy around their environment that we can change the energy within their physical body. Now, one statement I would like to make is that energy is contagious. Energy is more contagious than disease. So if you associate with people of low energy, they won’t pick you up, they will drag you down. You see, any time you put two unequal, items together. I don’t know, there may be an exception, but I’m not aware of it. The higher energy will not pick up the item or person of low energy. It reverse is true. Low energy will bring down the high energy. 

For example, I was a construction foreman. I had some pretty good people working for him in my crew. I could hire a lazy man and he would drag them down. They wouldn’t pick him up, he would drag him down. All right. If you could take a box of, good apples and you put a rotten apple in there in a matter of short time, every apple in the box will be rotten, but you can’t take a good apple and put in a box of rotten apples and purify all of them. This is totally contrary to nature and the human race ain’t quite figured that one out yet. They’re still trying to get low energy or trying to get high energy to pick up those of low energy. It just don’t work. It never has, never will.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. Yeah, that’s awesome.

Raymon Grace

Yeah and it’s the same thing in the true herd of horses. You gotta hurt the horses out there. That’s pretty gentle. But you buy a new horse and put him in and he’s wild. Well, they tame him down. Not very well. He’ll make them wilder. Same thing with cattle. I would, I reserved a lot about animals and people over the years and it’s always the, if you got one cow that is tearing down a fence getting out, they’ll let the other cows out. But will that herd of calm cows calm down the wild? No, doesn’t hardly work that way. The same thing with people. That’s why I tell parents be careful who you let your kids associate with your kids. May by some miracle, pick up the ones that are troublesome. But the odds are that troublesome are going to bring down the ones that are pretty good kids.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah, that’s so critical. Like who you hang out with because everything is energy and what you just said is like you hang out with the wrong energy, it can start to drag you down and even if it doesn’t, it just makes everything harder for you because you’ve got to overcome that energy field that you’re in. I feel very blessed over the course of my last, you know, 30 some years of, of really getting to hang out with people that believe that things are possible. You know, they’re not complaining all the time and it’s, I take it for granted like, you know, I get to hang out with people like you, but the reality is most people on the planet don’t have that, but they can start consciously choosing more of that, which is really cool.

Raymon Grace

Well, yes, it’s your, your life is always gonna be better if you associate with honest people and people of good character. 

Tom McCarthy

Yeah.

Raymon Grace

It’s really a no brainer but I don’t think most of the population figured it out yet.

Tom McCarthy

And that’s even true. And what you watch on TV, when you watch a show that is, you know, got all sorts of bad things happening in it. Right. You absorb some of that energy. Right. Do you have to put,

Raymon Grace

Oh, yeah, we are affected by what we see and what we hear, whether we believe it or not.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. 

Raymon Grace

I mean, yes, you logically know. Oh, that’s just a TV show. But it’s a TV show of people fighting, having contradictions of each other having problems. I choose not to watch that. So I don’t, so the one thing I don’t like to tell people is you have choices and, so take them, I choose what I eat. I choose who I talk to. I choose not to watch TV. Why? Because there’s more people that are wanting to talk to me than that can probably be benefited at least be pleasant than for me to watch some silly show on TV. With people fighting. 

I just don’t do it. So I’m a very, of course, you know, me, you’ve been to my house. I live like hermit, I’m way back in the mountains. I like it that way. And that’s why I have your problems because I don’t get myself involved in the problems of the world. Will I do? I do sessions with people. Yes, of course. I try to help them but Tom, what I tell them is right off the bat. I said, tell me in one sentence how I can help you? I do not want to hear a long list of your misery and I won’t listen. If you start that, I’ll hang the phone up. I want you to tell me in one sentence how I can help you. If we can do that, I probably can help them if they can’t do that. I say you really need to call somebody else.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. Yeah. You’re very direct. And so you’re getting the real deal here and seeing Raymon, but I will say he’s got a huge heart. He’s got one of the most caring and loving human beings. I know, but he’s gotten to the age and, and point in his life where he’s, and probably he was like this, even when he was younger, he’s like, he’s not gonna put up with a bunch of crap like we’re either gonna get it done or we’re not gonna do it. So I love that about you. One thing you taught me, which I still use frequently is when you do encounter somebody, let’s say you’re having an issue with the bank or something like that and someone’s not treating you well, the customer service person tell, I think you remember what you told me, but tell them what you do in your mind when you’re encountering somebody that’s not being nice to you or somebody that’s having a hard day how you visualize them in your mind and, and I’ll be glad to do that. But I sell them ever have that problem. Yeah.

Raymon Grace

For those people who do that have contacted me. This is what I do. The first thing I check the troublesome people to see if they are possessed now. Sometimes they are, sometimes they’re not, we won’t get into how to do exorcisms right now. But that’s what I would do. I would also check to see how compatible where spirit guides, our spirit guides is a Native American terminology that I found very useful to use. And I’ll tell you how I have a friend. She’s 91 years old, Evelyn Rattray in British Columbia. And she told me several years ago when I was up there working with him. If you’re trying to heal somebody and your spirit guides don’t like their spirit guides, you’re not gonna be able to help them and all at once. 

I thought, wow, that is why parents and kids, bosses and employees, sometimes, husband and wives don’t get along time. You would be amazed at the number of people that I’ve worked on that didn’t get along because the spirit guides didn’t like each other. I realized the folks who have a scientific mind. This sounds totally insane. But I can’t help that. Folks, I get results with what I do. So, whether you believe it or not is your problem? Not mine. But, I found a way to eliminate and it’s very simple to eliminate the troublesome spirit guide. People have the mistaken belief that all spirit guides are benevolent and helpful. 

Simply not true. I used to think the same thing but I don’t think it now and all it takes is a little bit of investigation with that to really see where the problem is. And we have helped so many people get along better. Not everyone now know because people have free will and some people don’t want to do any better. But overall, we’ve helped an awful lot of people solve problems just by getting the spirit guides compatible. Now, do the people themselves know that they have a problem? No, they don’t, they don’t have a clue, but we don’t need to tell them. We just go ahead and fix this. Stay behind the scenes. 

Don’t make a big deal out of it. Do it quietly and usually things turn out a whole lot better. Another thing is you want to check the person’s integrity. I had someone contact me the other day that they had spent quite a bit of money on something and asked me if it was worth it. I said, well, why weren’t you smart enough to ask me before you spent the money, I would have told you that the person’s integrity was 40 per sent and that’s not enough to invest money with people. So do I check people’s integrity? You better believe I do. I do it for my clients. I mean, it just makes sense before you spend any money with anybody. Check the integrity. This is what we do is where doubting comes in extremely handy, handy. So I’m just trying to give some real short answers here to your question.

Tom McCarthy

And Raymon, the one I was thinking about about two though, you gave me a very simple little strategy where you said just in your mind, imagine that person doing something that makes them happy and, or you, or sometimes you, you put imaginary flowers on, on people, right? You know, and, but when you do that in your mind and I’ve used that technique. So thank you for that where, you know, someone is like being a little bit abrupt with me and I just quickly see them happy or maybe it’s someone in my family, right? You know, we’re, we’re a little argument. I see them happy and, and it’s amazing that how quickly that can turn someone around.

Raymon Grace

Well, it goes back to what the old Joe and philosopher said, see them as it could be and they’ll improve. I mean, that guy would pretty sharp to figure that out. But here’s an example just a very simple example. Let’s say somebody likes to ride a horse and they were out here, they’re giving you a hard time, whatever. Imagine riding a horse, you know, they like to do that. That’ll make them happy. That scene alone will help that person change their attitude and they’ll never know what you did.

Tom McCarthy

Now, talk about why that works and, and it’s, you’ve already explained it. But when you do that scene of someone riding a horse because you know that they would be happy riding a horse, what’s going on between you and them, they’re explain that too. People because some people might not understand that yet.

Raymon Grace

Well in all honesty, I don’t know that. I understand it. I just know it works, but it’s probably because energy follows thought. See, everything we’re talking about today is pretty much based on that one principle. And well, there’s another when I don’t know who said this, I think Einstein said it that imagination is more important than knowledge because knowledge is a combined or a combination of everything we know imagination is unlimited. So by using imagination and thinking of what you want instead of what you don’t want. Those two things alone will change your life for the better. But if you are around people that bitch whined and complained about poverty x pains, the boss that works for some people that do nothing but complain all the time. I keep those people out of my life. Why? Because their energy is just as contagious as my energy is they will affect me if I listen to them long enough. So I don’t listen. People think they have to be polite and listen to somebody else, bitch whine and complain. That’s not true at all. That’s a choice you choose to make and I choose not to be there. I’m about freedom. Tom, the only thing I really believe in is kindness and freedom. That’s the two main things. I like being nice to people. I like to help them improve their life. And I believe in freedom. And another thing people ask too many, what if and wives and all that I don’t ever ask questions like that. I just do it.

Tom McCarthy

We’ll think about. I mean, everyone is, you’re watching Raymon Talk. This was a man who at one point in time was a young man in a small town without exposure to any of these thoughts that he’s talking to us about and belief systems. But the one thing he did have was his imagination and with his imagination now he’s created an organization and a presence. Where is it? People from 142 different countries. You’ve helped some crazy big number like that. You know, people all over the world and that happened because you used your, your mind, your imagination to grow and to reach people and to help people. 

So anyone watching Raymon, I hope you’re inspired by him because he’s laying out for you. And he’s got lots of more tools that you can get from him to, to really start to shift your life, to shift the life of people. You love to shift the health and, and happiness of the planet Mother Earth. He’s working with water all over the world with his mind. I love and we told this story time before, but I love this story. It’s one of my favorites of how you helped the farmer who had weeds in his hay crop. Can you tell that story again? It’s just such a powerful,

Raymon Grace

I love telling that story because I have a saying about farmers. It’s bad, it’s bad manners to cut the farmer with your mouth full. So, farmers are what feeds the whole nation. And that’s why farmers are among my favorite people. There, most of them are really pretty good people. Another thing is that to be intelligent because we got a lot of decisions to make. They got to work with nature, they got to work with the markets, they got to work with whether, you know, you, you can’t be a real dummy and be a farmer, you just can’t stay in business like that. So farmers have to be, have a reasonable degree of intelligence. 

But this one fellow was a good friend. Of mine and he called and this has been several years ago. This has been probably nine or 10 years ago and he’s asked if I would do him a favor. And I said, well, I certainly would if I could. But what do you need? He said, well, I had some weeds in my alfalfa field and I called the local farm supply company to send, struck out with the sprayer on it to spray for the weeds. Well, the problem was the fellow driving, the truck picked up the wrong jug of chemicals. He picked up a jug of roundup and he sprayed 20 acres of alfalfa was round up and I knew what Roundup would do. 22 things. I mean, it just destroys it. So I said, well, how long will it take to remedy this situation? He said a year, I’ve got to plow the ground. So alfalfa again and wait another year before I have any hay for the cows. And man, see, man, he was going to have to buy hay that year and that alone was enough to bankrupt the small farmer. And I said, well, hold on a minute, don’t plow it up yet. Give me two days and let me see what I can do. 

Now, in all honesty, Tom, I didn’t know what I was gonna do, But I thought I’ve got to think of something. So he didn’t call me in two days. I never heard from him for a month. And then he sent a picture of the days that cut alfalfa that was 4ft tall, which is quite a bit taller than Alfalfa would normally grow. And then at the end of the year, he contacted me and he said I normally get three cuttings of alfalfa from that field this year. I got five. So we really pretty much doubled his hay crop for the year. Now we did it because I didn’t have all the facts. He told me that the field had been sprayed with roundup. What he didn’t tell me was that there was not a single alfalfa plant living, everything was totally dead. 

Had he told me that I would have logically known it was impossible to do anything. But since I didn’t know, I didn’t know it was impossible. So what I did, I use the term and I do this with cleaning up water for people, literally every day part of my energy cleaning project for people and the people know about the energy clearing project, go to Raymon Grace foundation dot org and look up energy clearing project. And this is what I do for people because one of the goals was to give everybody that’s on a clearing list, good drinking water. Well, I use the term called scrambled the frequency. So I scrambled the frequency of roundup and turned it into fertilized. Now I did it because I didn’t know I couldn’t, I didn’t have all the facts and it was one of its one of the best experiments that we’ve ever done. I’ve been, I was just always happy to tell that story because it just shows what the human mind can do when you don’t know, you can’t do it.

Tom McCarthy

I love that story. So in his mind, everybody, he didn’t see it as roundup, he scrambled the frequency, the energy frequency of roundup and in, in, in his mind like he didn’t go to the field in his mind. This is the power of what you can do and what Raymon can teach you to do. He changed it into fertilizer and that the crops grew back from Roundup and he had more cuttings and higher and it made more money and higher height of the crops. So just truly amazing. I absolutely love that story. One of my all time favorites from you and look, it’s not just, it’s not just hey, crops and round up like this is what we can do to heal our bodies. We create our bodies with our mind, we create illness, with our mind, we can create health with our mind and a lot of your work is on water and, and different things. But also you are an amazing healer and I know that’s what a lot of people come to you with. Can you talk a little bit about dowsing? I’m sure you probably have you’ve got your pendulum with you. But can you just tell people what dowsing is? And this is kind of what you can also teach them or they can find out through your books and videos.

Raymon Grace

I’ll be glad to, as soon as I can dig the bullet out of my pocket here.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. And Raymon, by the way. Yeah. But his dowsing pendulum is a bullet, right? You know, he wears a pistol wherever he goes. You know, there’s all sorts of things he needs to make sure that he’s protected from as a mountain man. He got bears and all sorts of stuff up there. But show us. Yes. Did you get it?

Raymon Grace

All right. Here we are right here is my version of a pendulum. Now, folks, it doesn’t matter what kind of a penalty views you can make it out of wood stone. You can tie that on the string. It doesn’t really matter. I’m gonna give you just a real short version of it right here. But start with holding up the chain or string by the thumb and forefingers. It’s easier for me to tell you how to do it right. And it’s me to tell you all the ways of doing it wrong. So this is the way you hold the pendulum. Okay. And ask it. Now, you can come to my website. I believe it’s on there somewhere, and get a free dowsing chart. I’ve got it out there. 

Feel free to make as many copies as everyday as you like. I put it out there to help people to learn to douse. But hold up in a moment like this and ask it to give you a yes and a yes. Is the moving away from you and towards you? It’s real simple and ask you to give you a no and it will go this way. Okay. Crossways. Alright. That’s yes or no. Now use that only for practice for a while. Do not try to solve every problem with a yes or no because it’s insufficient. Now let me give you an example the best way to use the doubting chart. It’s on a percentage scale. 

I’m not going to try to verbally describe it because we we’ve got them in you can look at their free but the top half of the scale is a percentage scale on the right hand side is 0 to 100 on the plus side, on the left side is 0 to 100 on what I call the minus side. So you always ask what is the result of your actions rather than should I do this? Don’t ask that question, ask what’s the result of your action, whatever it is you want to do. So I usually just use doubting food. So when I tell this story, I don’t think I told it before. When April was a little kid about maybe five years old. She had learned a little bit about doubting and she wanted a soft drink one day. And I said, well, April already checked the soft drink. I don’t know. The effect on your body is something like about a minus 70 or something. Really. Not got too much junk in it. But here’s the deal, I’ll give it to you unopened and here’s my pendulum. You take the pendulum and you work on this soft drink and if you can get it up to is, let’s see, I think I told her about a minus 20 was not too bad for you. You can have it. 

Well, she intently worked on it there for a few minutes and handed back to me to check. She got it up to about a plus 70 and I was very much surprised a little five year old kid could do that. Well, here it is. Drink it. Enjoy it. You earned it. Well, a few days later I saw her eating a chocolate chip cookie and I said I didn’t see you raise the energy of that cookie because I don’t have to. She said I have programmed myself, but anything that I like to eat a drink is automatically good for me. I was never able to prove her wrong. And it was intent. Why? Because she didn’t know she couldn’t do it.

Tom McCarthy

Yeah. Well, and you one of the things you teach people is to program your mind with positive phrases that then become part of your belief system. And I told my son, Tommy, who you met about that he was working on a deal with his senior partners to buy a large company. And so he programmed his mind to always one of yours, always be in the right place at the right time. And he calls me a week later, he says, dad, you’re not gonna believe what has just happened. I go what? He goes, well, I’m walking down the street and this guy’s running, jogging, you know, out for exercise, running towards me. And all of a sudden he stops right in front of me and he, he said, he told me, I don’t know why I’m stopping. I don’t even usually run here. My son lives up in Los Angeles. He goes, but something tells me I need to talk to you. And so my son said, it freaked him out a little bit, right. I said, you know, how old was the guy? He goes? Daddy was old. He was like your age. 

And the guy asked him, what do you do? And my son said, well, I’m an investor and he goes, I’m an investor too and they chatted for a couple of minutes. Nothing really substantial. But the guy said, look, if there’s any reason that we should talk make sure that you reach out to me and gave me his information and he jogged off. My son went back, looked him up. The guy ends up being a billionaire who had a $4 billion dollar company that was doing investments. And my son called him up. He said, I think we should talk. And so make a long story short, they end up meeting and that guy, it’s $100 million to the deal that my son Tommy was working on and he brought in another guy that committed another 100 million. So Raymon, your work works. I know we could go on and on and on. We’re gonna have to end now. But I really encourage people. Raymon has become a great friend of mine. I encourage people to check out his work at Raymongrace.us or Raymongracefoundation.org. He does amazing things and he really is a person of, of service to humanity and thank you so much for being on with us. Do you have any final words to add Raymon?

Raymon Grace

Well, I wasn’t really prepared for a final statement but just always believe in yourself.

Tom McCarthy

I love it and that’s what you’ve done. That is what he has done. He has some of the most powerful belief of anybody that I’ve ever encountered. And I’ve told him this many times and he’s been a role model for me with that because I think I have a pretty powerful belief system. But then I come across Raymon. I’m like, alright, I gotta up my game and so you’ve helped me do that. You are a gift to the world again. Thank you so much, everybody check out his work and you will be better for it.

Raymon Grace

Thank you so much for the opportunity, Tom. I always enjoy talking with you and all you folks listening out there. If you have any questions, you can contact me through my website.