Full Transcript Introduction to the Podcast and Backstory 0:00 Welcome to the Wellness [music] on Tap 0:01 podcast with your host, Dr. Debs 0:04 Eastwood. 0:06 >> And that's what the podcast is about is 0:08 having conversations with people and 0:10 finding out 0:12 >> why they're doing what they're doing 0:14 really, what their backstory is, where 0:16 they come from, 0:18 >> what drove them to do it, cuz that's 0:20 fascinating. 0:22 >> Yeah, it is. and and also 0:26 that person me you sometimes we don't 0:29 understand why we're doing certain 0:30 things I don't know how I've arrived 0:33 here sometimes from that little girl 0:35 that was you know in those days nobody 0:38 diagnosed ADHD I was climbing the walls 0:40 I was creative light bulb this this that 0:43 >> and nobody had hope for me you know 0:45 parents did but so you you arrive 0:48 somewhere in life and you think oh what 0:50 journey 0:52 >> so you were one of those kids at school 0:54 that never sat still. I guess 0:55 >> I was terrible. I was not I was very 0:57 nice, but I was on the go. I always had 0:59 to be creative. Didn't know why. But my 1:02 par my brother's a lot older than me. 1:03 He's 72. I mean, he's not a lot older 1:06 than me, but he's older than me. So, 1:07 when I was born, he was 11. And um he 1:10 just has memories of me being a complete 1:11 nuisance. I mean, we're, you know, we're 1:13 good friends, but a complete nuisance. 1:15 And that nobody could ever watch TV. 1:18 >> You were handstanding over the TV. You 1:20 were doing this. And I can remember all 1:21 of that. And I said to him, 1:24 I just always been that way. I mean, he 1:26 thinks I should retire now because come 1:28 on, you've done enough. And I'm like, 1:30 I'm just getting started again. 1:31 >> Yeah. 1:32 >> So, 1:34 um, and I said, what did mom and dad 1:36 really think about me being when I look 1:37 back? I mean, I was really, really busy. 1:39 I was I mean, how my parents cope with 1:41 me, they didn't know any other really, 1:44 but my brother was laidback and I was 1:45 hyper. And he said, "They never said 1:47 anything. They just got on with it. We 1:49 all got on with you being in the house. 1:51 [laughter] 1:54 That look on your face is a picture. 1:57 >> Yeah. But it's still there. I can chill 2:00 a little bit more, but I I'm not one to 2:02 watch TV much or settle down. My 2:04 partner's complete opposite. 2:06 >> I'm I would say in a way always working 2:09 or I'm always developing me what I like 2:11 in life, what I want in life. [snorts] 2:14 >> Growth, 2:15 >> you know, not not always about money but 2:18 growth. 2:18 >> Yeah. 2:19 >> Yeah. 2:20 So that I guess the scattiness because 2:21 it's who you are. 2:23 >> Yeah. 2:23 >> Manifested itself in school as well. And 2:25 did you settle into a job or a business 2:29 fairly? 2:29 >> My dad was an entrepreneur in 2:31 engineering. He was a great designer of 2:33 um 2:35 I just imagine you would call them um 2:37 conveyor belts. But the days when cars 2:40 were not made by robots, he designed all 2:42 the conveyor belts for vauels. So he had 2:45 an engineering company. Mom was the stay 2:47 at home. Typical stay at home. She was 2:49 the northern Yorkshire lass. So he was 2:51 in the army and then they moved down
Childhood Energy, Family, and Early Work 2:53 here and had my brother and then 11 2:54 years later had me. Um my brother said 2:57 my father was very strict but he wasn't 2:59 really necessary with me. 3:01 >> He did have his rules. 3:02 >> So brother said it wasn't fair, you 3:04 know. 3:05 >> Um but girl, you know [snorts] um so he 3:09 was always about education. Do well, go 3:11 to school. Mom was the opposite. You 3:14 learn more in life. So there was always 3:15 that conflict. 3:17 didn't know it was conflict. 3:19 >> Don't think they argued about it, but 3:20 mom would say I'd say to mom, 3:22 >> maybe early teens, like I don't feel 3:24 well. I got the tummy ache, mommy. Oh, 3:26 just stay off. We do some stuff together 3:28 where dad would come home at lunchtime. 3:29 He had his own business. What's she 3:31 doing here? Get back to school. So, 3:33 that's all I had really. But I saw my 3:35 dad work very hard and I saw the stress 3:37 that he had. Sadly, he died at 59 3:40 >> with um sad. He had two major heart 3:42 operations within um 11 months of each 3:45 other. went down in Guinness Book of 3:46 Records apparently. Um, open heart 3:49 surgery, the whole lot. So, he wasn't he 3:51 was but I think I learned a lot from him 3:53 and and probably because if he wasn't 3:54 pushing me a little bit um I don't know 3:57 what would have happened. So, I had to 3:58 do well because dad wanted me to 4:01 >> but not great grades apart from 4:04 creativity at school. 4:05 >> Yeah, 4:06 >> those are the days we learned shorthand 4:07 and typing. 4:08 >> Oh, do you know 4:09 >> people say to me what was that? I was 4:10 amazing at it. 4:12 Amazing at it. And I ended up getting 4:15 going to business school. He sent me to 4:16 business school and I ended up going 4:18 into secretarial work. Do they do that 4:21 now? I don't even know. But I did have a 4:23 really good job in the end with whites. 4:26 Really good job. 4:28 >> Yeah. So that was there. But I didn't 4:31 have any true desire to be in business 4:34 myself. 4:37 Although I did set I got married at 4:38 young 19. My husband was about 24 and he 4:41 was a builder. And I had this idea one 4:43 day he was going to lose his leave his 4:45 job. 4:46 >> Oh. 4:46 >> So I did didn't realize I was doing it, 4:49 but I set up a a building company that 4:52 is now going. He's died four years ago 4:55 sadly. And because of that, my kids have 4:58 now got some very good inheritance. 5:00 >> Oh wow. 5:01 >> So I didn't know I was entrepreneurial. 5:04 >> Yeah. 5:04 >> But that I got initially I mean I gave 5:07 my shares back when I got divorced. Very 5:10 amicable. great relationship we had to 5:12 the end. But it was me that pushed him 5:16 into it with a friend and a business 5:18 partner. So that was probably my first 5:20 taste of it. But I was still working for 5:22 Whitbreads then. So I wasn't too sure. I 5:24 just knew there was a future 5:26 >> that we we wanted security for the 5:28 future, you know, that was it really. So 5:30 that was probably my dad's side of it, 5:31 you know, rather than 5:32 >> sounds like, you know, 5:34 >> but very active, very very shiny object 5:37 syndrome, creativity. Yeah. Amazing. 5:41 >> It sounds like there was some motivation 5:42 there to get hubby out of 5:45 >> Yeah. 5:45 >> off the tools. 5:46 >> I could see potential. 5:48 >> I could see potential and I just 5:50 thought, well, my dad had his own 5:52 business. 5:54 >> Um, we we can have our own business and 5:56 that was it, you know, and I was earning 5:58 a good salary for 6:00 >> a 23 year old. Um, I suppose I was at 6:04 that point or maybe a little bit 6:05 younger. Yeah, 23. And um I just said to 6:09 go and speak to your friend. Let's let's 6:11 get going with this. And I said, "Well, 6:13 I can carry the mortgage." We had a big 6:15 mortgage. If you remember 80s, it went 6:17 up to 70%. 6:19 >> That was tough. Um and I just said, 6:22 "Let's just go for it. I've I can cover 6:24 the mortgage for about 3 months. Just go 6:25 and get one big job." They got a big 6:28 extension and that was it. It just took 6:30 off. 6:31 >> Wonderful. 6:31 >> Yeah. So yeah, we used to sit on the 6:33 floor with an old calculator doing the 6:35 VAT ringing up council. So we managed to 6:38 get in with lots of councils and 6:39 tendering. 6:40 >> So 6:41 >> that lit a fire in your belly by the 6:42 sound of 6:43 >> I did because I wanted him to earn good 6:44 money [laughter] and not work for 6:46 somebody, you know. 6:46 >> Yeah. 6:47 >> Cuz I wanted babies eventually. So 6:49 >> yeah. 6:50 >> So was that next then? 6:52 >> Yeah. Well 19 I got married 25 my son 6:55 came along. Wasn't too well before then. 6:57 Dad had died at 23. So I got glandular 7:00 fever. Um, I had to take over 7:02 everything, deal with mom didn't mom was 7:04 a at home. So, I had to deal with a 7:07 business and it was a lot for a 23-y old 7:10 to deal deal with, but I took it on cuz 7:12 my brother was like my mom, quite 7:13 laidback and I was like my dad. 7:15 >> So, I took it all on, closed everything 7:17 up and sorted things out. And I just 7:19 knew that in time I wanted, 7:22 >> you know, some children. So, it wasn't 7:23 until we could get established with the 7:25 building company. So, 7:26 >> yeah, I did. Um, yeah, 25. I wanted them 7:31 earlier but which is a good job I didn't 7:32 really. So 25 um like a lot ladies you 7:36 have a miscarriage first of all. 7:37 >> Oh bless you. 7:38 >> And um and then my now 36 year old son 7:42 came along Elliot. 7:45 >> Lovely. 7:45 >> Yeah it was lovely. Really really 7:47 lovely. A very hard pregnancy. Um lots
Marriage, Business, and Motherhood 7:51 of things I was poorly many ways. Five 7:53 stone went on unnecessarily. Nobody knew 7:55 why what was wrong with me. They just 7:57 said I ate too many pairs. You know, you 7:59 know, back in the days how cut back on 8:02 your fruit or cut back on something, 8:03 you're putting on a lot of weight. I was 8:04 a really poorly girl, 8:06 >> but we got there in the end. 8:08 >> Yeah. 8:08 >> Yeah. And he came along. 8:10 >> Excellent. 8:11 >> Yeah. 8:12 >> So, when did the interest in your health 8:15 come? Cuz it sounds as though you'd had 8:16 a couple of 8:17 >> health hiccups through either your own 8:19 journey or close family's journey. 8:21 >> My brother said to me, I've always been 8:22 a sicky child. Um I can't remember that. 8:25 He said, "You were born with a sicky 8:26 eyes. You couldn't see out your eyes. 8:28 Dad was bathing your eyes. You've always 8:29 been a sicky child. I can't really 8:31 remember that. I was like any other 8:32 child getting measles and things. 8:35 >> Um and then 8:37 and then 8:39 after he was born, my son, I went 8:41 downhill quite quickly. Couldn't lose a 8:44 five stone. Um they just said it's best 8:47 post depression everything. 8:50 And um so that in the end I had my well 8:55 my doctor at the time was quite 8:57 supportive 8:59 and I became very debilitated. 9:02 So I had to stop breastfeeding because I 9:04 couldn't deal with that and my husband 9:06 who was the builder getting up at 5 in 9:08 the morning had to deal with the baby 9:10 and feed him. Um and it was a struggle 9:13 you know we're going back into 19 when 9:15 was he born? 1989 long time ago. Um, and 9:18 in those days they didn't test for 9:20 things like thyroid when you're 9:22 pregnant. But what it did, it opened me 9:25 up to um they they started to correct 9:29 that eventually. Took a year of being 9:31 debilitated. Um, but it didn't make any 9:34 difference. Not much difference. The 9:36 thyroxine 9:38 levels were okay, but it took some time. 9:40 So while this was happening, I would 9:42 never have thought of doing what I do 9:45 now. never, you know, I was 25, 26 then. 9:49 >> Um, but I knew the business was able to 9:51 carry me while I didn't work or if I if 9:53 I wanted to go back to work. 9:55 >> So, it went on and on and on and then 9:57 eventually my GP said, "I think you've 10:00 got something called postviral 10:02 syndrome." 10:04 He said, "As doctors, we don't normally 10:06 believe in yepy flu." 10:08 >> Ah, 10:09 >> yeah. This type of thing. Um, he said, 10:12 "But I got ill with the flu or glandular 10:14 fever." He said I was in bed for 6 10:16 months. So I sort of have an 10:17 understanding of where you are. So he 10:19 sent me off privately to be assessed. Um 10:22 it was very hard to find the right type 10:24 of assessing then. 10:25 >> So yeah. So I did get assessed and he 10:27 said you've got me. 10:30 >> Yeah. 10:31 >> That explains a lot then doesn't it? 10:32 >> Yeah. I said well is it not the thyroid? 10:34 He said the thyroid hasn't helped but 10:36 what's happened is you were dealing with 10:38 your dad. You got stressed. You had 10:39 glandular fever. You had a miscarriage. 10:41 Bad luck. And then you've got a thyroid 10:44 problem. Nobody identified or listened 10:47 to you. That's level now. But it's 10:49 opened you up. You've now this is why 10:51 you're you are where you're at. So yeah, 10:55 tough time. 10:57 >> Yeah. I couldn't drive for two years, 11:00 >> which doesn't help your mental health at 11:02 all, does it? 11:02 >> Oh god, it was terrible. Support my mom. 11:04 She retired then. Well, she went out to 11:06 work when dad died to get out and about, 11:08 >> but then she would help what she could. 11:11 And the poor husband honestly 5:00, you 11:13 know, feeding a baby through the night 11:15 [laughter] 11:16 >> and they didn't have these Tommy tippy 11:18 machines then, you know, he was going to 11:19 bed with a flask of hot water to heat 11:22 your bottle. Um, poor him. He was 11:25 brilliant, you know, really, really 11:26 brilliant. But he was like, you didn't 11:27 know what was going on really because he 11:30 tried to get me out of bed in the 11:31 morning. Sometimes I couldn't get out of 11:33 bed. I had to be, it got worse, you 11:36 know, really worse. And the weight 11:37 wouldn't go. So it was, you know, 11:39 because I couldn't move around a lot. So 11:42 >> yeah. So it was one of those days where 11:44 people thought you were a bit cuckoo. 11:46 Yeah. Yep. Flu. Yes. City corporate 11:49 person type of busy person gets that 11:51 type of thing. As you know now it's 11:53 highly recognized. 11:55 Um but I was determined not to stay like 11:59 that. 12:00 >> No, you don't strike me. I mean I've 12:02 known you not well but I've known you 12:04 for a few years now, haven't I? And you 12:06 have never 12:08 >> struck me as being a person that will 12:09 settle for something if it's not where 12:11 you want to be in life. 12:12 >> Yeah. Yeah. It was I never thought about 12:16 business that point. Um when you're 12:18 laying in bed most of the day and all 12:19 you can just do is go to the toilet and 12:21 come back and you've got this baby. I 12:22 mean I we I could get down the stairs on 12:24 my bum. It's ridiculous. Carrying the 12:27 baby and they used to have these like 12:30 bouncy things, don't they? They still 12:31 babies still couldn't move the bouncy 12:33 things. So I put him in that and we were 12:34 in the house where the toilet was 12:35 upstairs. 12:37 >> But it was an open plan stairs so I 12:39 could go to the toilet, get to the top,
Health Crisis and Recovery Journey 12:41 but I couldn't get back down. The good 12:42 thing is with it being an open plan, I 12:44 could sit and watch him, make sure he 12:46 was all right. I couldn't get down. I 12:47 had to wait till I had the energy to get 12:49 down. That's how bad that's how 12:51 debilitating Emmy can be. 12:53 >> Yeah. 12:53 >> Um and then I found more people that had 12:55 it. a girl of six debilitated in a 12:58 wheelchair sadly 13:00 [snorts] and the pharmacist near to me. 13:02 She always didn't look very well and 13:04 looked tired and one time I went in 13:06 there nearly fainted and she said what's 13:08 going on and said they've diagnosed me 13:09 with me. She went Tracy I've got that 13:12 I've had it for years. So you know it's 13:14 that communication then she said right 13:17 let me let me give tell you about what 13:20 you should be eating what you should now 13:22 be seeking. So that was the start of me 13:26 there is another route to get better 13:28 because the medical world can't help me 13:30 and that was it. 13:32 >> I love these chance or as I used to 13:35 think of them universe driven. I now 13:37 think communications 13:39 >> communication share you know a lot of 13:41 people I wasn't you know a lot of the 13:43 other families the family relatable they 13:46 just thought you know it could be 13:49 getting attention and everything. So it 13:50 was the start but what I did daily so 13:53 [clears throat] 13:54 people do this now a lot of people do 13:56 this side of visualization I didn't know 13:59 I was doing visualization manifesting 14:03 >> so all I could do most of the time is 14:05 lay in bed close my eyes and man 14:07 manifest a beach 14:10 the sun because I wasn't really going 14:12 out I was like stuck in the house so 14:14 much so the the 14:17 I thought I'm going to get there I 14:19 didn't know if I was going known to. But 14:20 the manifesting was the sun on the beach 14:24 with my mom and my little boy. 14:27 >> A that's nice. 14:28 >> Yeah. Yeah. I had to do it cuz what else 14:31 could I do apart from look at the walls 14:32 and 14:33 >> be I couldn't even pick up a kettle. I 14:34 didn't have the strength to pick up a 14:36 kettle. 14:37 >> So, so I did that a lot. But it got to a 14:41 stage where I wasn't really getting any 14:42 better. And um once I was overly 14:45 religious and Christian and everything, 14:48 I just said to God, I said, 14:49 >> "If you don't help me get better soon, 14:51 I'm ending it." 14:54 >> That was how fed up you were. 14:55 >> That's a low place to be, isn't it? 14:58 >> Yeah. 14:59 >> Could have been mindset cuz things 15:00 started to change. 15:03 >> Yeah. 15:04 >> Good. 15:04 >> It was tough. 15:05 >> Yeah. 15:07 Do you think looking back 15:10 that it was an important part of your 15:12 development? Absolutely. 15:13 >> Going through that. 15:14 >> Absolutely. It whether it's the right 15:17 word, it was a catalyst. 15:20 >> Yeah. Yeah. Because I started to get 15:22 better because I was going to a healer. 15:24 I was having acupuncture every week. I 15:27 sourced a French homeopathic GP who came 15:30 over was used to come over to these 15:32 well-being centers. Wasn't many of them 15:34 then. 15:35 >> He looked at my bloods. He looked at 15:39 homeopathy and other alternatives that I 15:42 should take. I mean, I had a whole 15:43 drawer of this stuff. Um, he I did eat 15:47 meat at the time. I haven't eaten meat 15:48 for years now, but everything had to be 15:50 organic. So, back then there was one 15:52 company doing it, so we had to make sure 15:54 we got every food was organic. He got me 15:57 eating garlic cloves and olive oil 15:58 wrapped in lettuce. 15:59 >> Oh my [laughter] goodness. Do 16:01 >> you know, we know what that does now, 16:02 but you know, I had no idea back then. 16:04 So, with that coupled with anything I 16:08 could source or or receive on the 16:10 well-being side, on the alter 16:12 alternative side, cuz the medical side 16:15 wasn't prepared for this. 16:17 >> No. 16:17 >> So, that's what I did. And gradually, I 16:20 got better and better and better. It's 16:23 never gone, but I got better. 16:25 >> Yeah. 16:25 >> And um and [clears throat] I could take 16:27 over more and I started to drive a 16:30 little bit. You know, it's two years 16:31 gone by, so it was brilliant. Yeah. And 16:34 we did end up on the beach. 16:36 >> Yay. Oh, I'm glad to hear that. 16:38 >> Yeah. So, manifestation, 16:41 it's mindset. 16:42 >> Yeah. 16:43 >> Yeah. So, that was the catalyst. 16:45 So, what happened after that school odd 16:48 on it, as I said, just odd grades, good 16:50 at shortand and typing. I thought 16:53 >> I'm going to do something else. So, I 16:55 wasn't well enough to go back to that 16:56 job. So, I had to leave a very, very 16:58 good job at Whipreds. 17:00 And I thought never got on at school. 17:03 Didn't like teachers. They didn't 17:05 understand me. 17:06 >> I'm going to become a teacher 17:08 >> to try and change it from the inside. 17:10 >> Yeah. 17:12 >> So, I had to go and get my A levels and 17:15 um night school and all of that. It took 17:17 a long time cuz I still recovering, but 17:19 yeah, that's what I did. And then I 17:20 thought, I'm going to do my basic 17:22 teaching. What are you going to teach 17:24 software? I'm going to learn coding and 17:26 software. Don't ask me where this came 17:29 from. I just taught myself all the 17:31 things that I could have learned maybe 17:33 at college or other places. So I did and 17:37 um yeah it it started that was that was 17:40 the catalyst being poorly 17:41 [clears throat] 17:42 would it have happened probably 17:44 >> or maybe I've been more involved in the 17:46 in the building side but 17:48 >> I had a point I had a point I had to do 17:50 you know I just want I was on that 17:51 that's it didn't know where I was really 17:53 going but it's I've got my life back. 17:55 >> Yeah. So you're moving away from pain. 17:58 >> Yeah. moving away from pain and still 18:00 very much into the holistic side, the 18:03 well-being. 18:05 Yeah, definitely. And um yeah, I did. 18:07 And um I got better and better. Went to 18:10 uni, did my teacher training there after 18:11 my first one. And then I thought, right, 18:14 okay, software is very big. I'm going to 18:17 open up a training academy. 18:19 >> Ah, 18:21 so did you work in teaching for a long 18:23 time or did the academy fair soon? It 18:25 was always part-time because I had by 18:27 then two children. Another one came 18:29 along, Ashton. 18:30 >> And um it was always part-time, but 18:32 loved it, you know, loved it. I trained 18:34 in software, front end software and and 18:36 business skills and stuff and would 18:38 teach that as well. And I then I 18:40 utilized those skills to go and set up a 18:42 training academy by the London Luton 18:44 Airport. 18:44 >> Ah 18:45 >> yeah. Yeah. I just thought why not? 18:47 >> Yeah. There's a skill gap. So that's 18:49 what I did. Yeah. 18:50 >> And that's the sort of ADHD. 18:53 >> Oh god. in us, isn't it? Is that 18:55 >> We didn't know about that then. Did we 18:57 know? Did we know? 18:58 >> No. No, we didn't. No, we didn't. We 19:00 were just 19:03 >> busy kids, weren't we? 19:04 >> Nuisance. I was classed as a nuisance. A 19:06 lovable. He said, my brother said, 19:08 "You're a real nuisance, but you were 19:09 such a lovable nuisance." 19:12 >> Yeah. 19:13 >> Yep. That sounds about fair, doesn't it? 19:15 And like like you said as well, that 19:17 that classic phrase, the shiny object. 19:20 >> Oh gosh. 19:21 just can't help but 19:23 >> chase it. It's magnetic completely, 19:26 isn't it? 19:26 >> Yeah. 19:27 >> You got to feel it. You got to really 19:28 feel it as well. 19:30 >> Yeah. 19:30 >> Oh, this is the best, you know, next 19:32 best thing. But, no, you got to be 19:34 sensible about it, but I really feel it 19:35 and that's what I did. 19:37 >> Yeah. 19:37 >> Yeah. So, I I I did very well. I had a I 19:41 managed to win the big London Luton 19:43 International Airport contract and 19:47 >> Wow. Well done. brought in management 19:48 leadership people and we did soft end 19:50 training and business management 19:52 training. 19:53 >> Yeah. 19:54 >> Wow. Yeah. That just sounds really 19:57 important. 19:58 >> It is, isn't it? But when I think back, 20:00 I thought, yeah, I really enjoyed doing 20:01 all of that and and bringing people in 20:03 to do the training and, you know, from 20:05 the CEO of the airport down to everybody 20:08 was important at that point when London 20:10 Luton Airport was owned by somebody 20:12 else. It was every the the CEO at the 20:14 time, he knew knew everybody's names, 20:16 believe it or not, cuz my brother worked 20:18 there as well, down to the the cleaners, 20:20 you know, they had to have some 20:21 training. It was great, you know, it was 20:23 really purposeful, 20:24 >> but the divorce was happening then, 20:26 sadly. You know, we we still good 20:27 friends, but the divorce was happening, 20:29 so it was time to sell it, so I sold it. 20:31 >> Right. 20:32 >> Yeah. 20:33 >> So, 20:34 >> yeah, 20:35 >> you were looking then for something else 20:36 to do. 20:37 >> Where do you want to start? [laughter] 20:39 >> Yeah. Wherever. [clears throat] 20:40 >> I could have time off. I had time off 20:42 for a while just to settle and you know 20:44 and and do things. So 20:46 >> yeah, I thought do I want another 20:48 business? You know, do you need to do 20:49 another business? What what do you want 20:51 to do, Trace? And I thought, I just want 20:53 to work for somebody for a while. I 20:55 haven't worked for anybody since I was 20:57 at Whitbreads. You know, you've built 20:58 the B business up, the building 21:00 business. You you've now done your 21:02 teacher training and you've had an 21:04 academy. You know, what do you want to 21:06 do? So, um, I applied, you remember 21:10 Yellow Pages? 21:11 >> Yeah. 21:12 >> Yeah. That's when Yellow Pages was the 21:14 main thing. 21:14 >> It was the thing, wasn't it? 21:15 >> I thought, do you know what? I can sell. 21:18 So, yeah, I got through their tough 21:20 tough interviews. Really tough. [snorts] 21:23 >> And um, yeah, I became a salesperson for 21:27 Yellow Pages. 21:28 >> Was that selling individual adver 21:31 advertising business pages, remember? 21:32 Talking pages. 21:34 >> Yeah, I went into all sorts of 21:35 businesses. I loved it. 21:37 >> Beautiful car, great benefits. I thought 21:39 this is great working for people. 21:42 >> Yeah. Got promoted, got hired, you know, 21:44 but there's only so long you can do 21:46 sales in my opinion. 21:47 >> It burns you out. So, you know, there 21:49 were long days. Most days I was 21:51 traveling maybe 150 miles a day and 21:53 seeing about seven clients. 21:56 >> So, it was that sounds exhausting, 21:57 >> but it was it was brilliant. And um 22:00 everything that I'd learned and achieved 22:03 so far in life, it was it was the right 22:05 time for that. 22:07 >> Yeah, it was great. It was great. And 22:08 then um I earned very good money, great 22:11 bonuses. It was a great company to work 22:14 for. Absolutely. Great times. And then I 22:17 decided I would leave and look after my 22:20 mom who was ill at the time COPD. 22:22 >> And obviously I was sensible with money. 22:25 I had plenty money to keep me going for, 22:27 you know, fund the house and everything 22:28 else. So, looked after my mom and um and 22:32 then, you know, when she she left this 22:34 world, 22:35 >> it was time to take a deep breath again. 22:37 Dad left when I was 23. Now, I was what
Teaching, Training, and Building a Career 22:41 39 maybe, 22:42 >> right? 22:44 >> So, it was time to re really sit and 22:47 think about everything experience and 22:49 kept coming back to health and 22:52 well-being. 22:53 So it's really quite when you think 22:55 about it it's like hold a minute you've 22:56 done sales corporate and well-being and 23:00 spirituality you know what are you 23:03 >> you know it was a bit of like what are 23:04 you Tracy 23:06 >> and I just thought well you're that 23:08 whatever you want to be 23:09 >> but all this just sounds to me I mean I 23:12 agree with you and I felt exactly what 23:14 you're feeling 23:16 >> but it sounds to me like the skill sets 23:18 that you'd acquired along the way 23:21 >> are absolutely prime time in you to 23:25 >> go for it and be an amazing successful 23:27 >> you forget you forget about those I have 23:28 to like at a certain age you start 23:30 questioning are you good enough for 23:32 whatever you're doing now are you good 23:34 enough for this type of world I mean I 23:36 don't mean anything departing the world 23:38 but what [clears throat] are you now you 23:41 know you have to think think 23:43 >> all I get reminders people say Tracy 23:45 don't think you realize what you've done 23:48 so the skill sets are so important 23:51 but equally If somebody goes if somebody 23:54 starts a job when they're 20 and then 23:56 they um retire at 55 and they've been in 23:58 that same job, it's like people say, 24:01 "How can somebody stay in the same job 24:02 all their life?" But if if if that's 24:04 right for them, 24:06 >> we're all different. 24:06 >> It's all different, you know? It's just 24:08 different different paths. We're 24:09 different beings, different path. We we 24:11 we go along. 24:13 >> Yeah. But I wonder if for me what you've 24:16 just alluded to about asking yourself if 24:18 you're good enough is because we're 24:20 always starting something new. 24:22 >> So we're always at the beginning of 24:25 something and question how can I do 24:27 this? 24:28 >> And we don't look back and think, well, 24:31 I've done this in sales. I've done this 24:33 in teaching. I've done this in setting 24:35 up a business. So I've got all the 24:37 skills I need for this. 24:38 >> Yeah. 24:38 >> I'm just putting them into a different 24:40 vessel. But I have all the all the 24:42 skills. But we don't see it, do we? 24:43 We're not very good at that. 24:44 >> No, not really. No, no. I have to remind 24:47 myself, you know, but I think also 24:50 touching just briefly on menopause can 24:54 um create those doubts 24:56 >> or questions about where you're at, you 24:59 know, different decades, different 25:01 challenges or different things, you 25:03 know. So, I think, oh, shut up, Tracy, 25:05 for God's sake. Just get on with it. You 25:07 know if you cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl 25:08 cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl cl climbed 25:08 a huge mountain before you can you can 25:11 do you know anything really. 25:13 >> Yes. 25:13 >> Yeah. So it was tough losing mom. She 25:15 was a great support to me while I was 25:17 traveling with yellow pages doing this 25:19 doing that you know. Poor woman. 25:22 [clears throat] She was brilliant. She 25:23 was a great Yorkshire woman. 25:25 >> Did she help with the kids? 25:27 >> Yeah she was brilliant. I couldn't you 25:28 know I could not have done any of that 25:29 without my mom. the university. Um my 25:33 baby was 3 months old and I just 25:35 announced I've joined I've enrolled on 25:36 university. Can you have the baby 25:39 breastfeeding? She's like what am I to 25:40 do? [laughter] 25:41 But she never said don't you know 25:44 >> no I'm not doing it. So I could never 25:45 have gone to the uni to do that. I could 25:48 never have gone to work for my own my 25:50 own business or Yellow Pages if my mom 25:51 wasn't able to pick the kids up from 25:53 school. 25:53 >> Yes, of course. Yeah. 25:54 >> Don't get me wrong, I did pick my kids 25:56 up from school but there was times when 25:57 mom would do that. So support system so 26:00 important in life. 26:02 >> Yes. 26:02 >> You know, I was very lucky to have that. 26:05 >> Absolutely. And that's something else 26:06 that we've got in common that I didn't 26:07 realize. I started med school when my 26:10 youngest was 3 and a half months old and 26:12 I was still feeding her. 26:14 >> Yeah. We do it though, don't we? We get 26:16 it done. 26:17 >> Yeah. 26:18 >> No, no problem. Our express um mom and 26:20 if I'm late back, she'd all be I'd have 26:22 to The university was in Luton, so I was 26:24 lucky. I didn't I wasn't away at 26:26 university. So, um, I'd be driving 26:29 quickly across town to get to my 26:31 mother's house and she'd be standing at 26:33 the door waiting thinking, "Hurry up, 26:35 you know, do a bit of breastfeeding and 26:37 then I would go off again." So, yeah. 26:40 >> Yes, 26:40 >> it was it just 26:42 >> I remember a couple of times being in 26:43 class and uh clearly hadn't expressed as 26:46 much as I should and looking down and 26:47 going, "Oh, 26:48 >> yeah. Oh, dear. 26:50 >> Have I brought another top with me 26:51 today?" I do hope so. [laughter] 26:54 >> Yeah. But we get it done. The as long as 26:56 babies are fine, they're cared for, 26:57 they're fine. 26:58 >> Exactly. 26:59 >> Exactly. And I wouldn't have done it had 27:01 I not known that she was going to be 27:02 with 27:03 >> That must have been that must have been 27:04 a real challenge cuz med school I mean 27:06 it's full time, isn't it? 27:07 >> Yeah. 27:08 >> Yeah. 27:09 >> Yeah. It was interesting. 27:11 >> And like you say, people were saying to 27:13 me, "How on earth, you know, are you 27:16 doing that?" And I'm like, "Well, you 27:18 just do, don't you?" Very much like you 27:20 just said, "You just do." 27:22 >> Yeah. Just get on with it cuz it's what 27:24 you want to do. Yeah, 27:25 >> you're excited about it. 27:26 >> I mean, you have to consider family. You 27:28 have to consider people around you. But 27:29 if they're there to say, 27:31 >> if it's what you want to do, you know, 27:32 here she is going off again doing 27:34 something else. And 27:35 >> if it makes you happy, yeah, I'm go do 27:37 going to do it. So, yeah, very fortunate 27:39 to have her. But with her leaving, 27:42 >> um, that was tough, you know, cuz we 27:44 felt, my brother and I felt like 27:46 orphans. They're we're grown up people, 27:48 you know. He was like what what in his 27:49 was he in his 50s then? And I was 39, 27:52 40. Yeah. So we're grown up, but you 27:54 felt like orphans then. So I really I 27:57 >> I was again in a good position where I 27:59 could take my time to think 28:02 >> about what I'm going to do next. And 28:03 that's that's when I am now. That was 28:06 the change. 28:08 >> And because I'd been so 28:10 so helped with holistic with healers, 28:15 with um holistic doctors, it stayed with 28:17 me forever. 28:19 So I decided I would go back to college. 28:21 Excuse me. I decided I would go back to 28:24 college 28:26 and learn um go for education to be a 28:29 listic therapist. 28:30 >> Ah 28:32 >> yeah. 28:32 >> So what did that look like that 28:34 training? 28:35 >> Yeah it was um part night school to 28:39 begin with then full-time. So the listic 28:42 courses were um individual units were um 28:46 aromatherapy, Indian head, 28:49 >> hot stone massage, 28:51 >> um all of those type of treatments that 28:54 back then back then people wouldn't knew 28:57 about them, but 28:58 >> now it's big. 28:59 >> Yeah. 29:00 >> Yeah. So that's what I did and and 29:02 trained and I loved it. I loved the 29:04 peace of it. I loved the calmness of it. 29:06 Yes. 29:06 >> I loved helping people feel better 29:08 because I was one of those once poorly. 29:12 >> Yeah. 29:12 >> All just needed that care and that 29:14 nurturing. 29:15 >> So that was the other side of me. You 29:17 see, that was the caring and nurturing 29:19 side coming out. And I love that. Um I 29:21 didn't go and work in a salon or 29:23 anywhere with that. Um I sourced 29:26 somewhere that I used to drive past all 29:28 the time in a little small town near 29:31 outside of Luton in within Bedfordshire. 29:34 moon still 29:36 and there was this big white building I 29:38 used to look up think what is that in 29:39 there it was called spectrum I thought 29:41 what's that in there always curious so 29:42 one day 29:44 >> I thought I must go in there one day and 29:45 see what that's about at this point I 29:48 was qualified but I wasn't necessarily 29:50 doing I was doing it on family friends 29:51 >> right yeah 29:52 >> um this might sound pretty random but I 29:56 woke up one morning and something said 29:57 to me go to Spectrum right today right 30:00 now 30:01 >> I love it I love it I love it so I did I 30:03 got in the car. It was only up the road. 30:05 Kids were at school. I knocked on the 30:06 door and they said, "Come on in." And I 30:08 went into this place that was you were 30:10 cocooned. It felt like there was angels 30:13 in there. There was chandeliers. It was 30:15 warm. It was cozy. It smelt divine. The 30:18 aroma therapy and there was a 30:19 receptionist. I said, "We got any 30:21 rooms?" 30:22 >> Yeah. 30:23 >> She went, "Oh, we have got a room here, 30:26 but oh, the lady who owns this, you've 30:28 just missed her." I said, "Oh, can I sit 30:30 down for a minute and just sit and 30:31 chat?" She went, "Yeah." And I was just 30:33 saying this, I don't know what it is 30:35 about this place, but you know, I'm a 30:36 holistic therapist. I'm looking to rent 30:38 a room. She went, "Yeah, we've got a
From Beauty Therapy to Paramedical Skin Work 30:41 beautiful room up in the top." Like, 30:43 it's like a really old building. 30:45 Beautiful inside and out. I went, "Oh, 30:48 right. Okay." Anyway, the owner come 30:50 back in. She'd forgot her keys. Oh, 30:53 meant to be or what? [gasps] Yeah. And 30:55 and she went, "Oh, can I help you?" I 30:57 went, "Well, looking for a room." She 30:58 went, "Come upstairs." She showed me. I 31:01 said I have it. 31:02 >> That was it. 31:02 >> Wonderful. And that was it. 31:04 >> That was it. So after mom's mom dying, 31:07 it was a great time for me to be there 31:08 because this place cocooned me. 31:10 >> Yes. 31:11 >> It was amazing that the precious. Oh 31:14 god, it was I can't explain explain the 31:16 daily feeling of being in this building 31:19 >> and doing the work I did. So I did. 31:21 That's what I did. So I was a freelance 31:23 person working within that that family 31:26 of people. 31:27 >> There was um Bowen Bowen technique. 31:30 There was a guy doing that. We had 31:31 healers. Um I was going to say witches. 31:35 I don't know if I say witch. I don't not 31:36 too sure what I could call her, but she 31:38 was a healer, but she classed herself as 31:40 a witch. A lot of people think what's 31:42 Tracy doing now? You know, she's in this 31:44 building. There was all different 31:46 alternative. 31:47 >> I like that there's a full range. 31:50 >> Yeah, there was um allergy testing 31:53 um back then, kinesiology, different all 31:56 different things, you know. And there 31:58 was me working with a Spanish brand of 32:00 beautiful um beautiful brands and oils 32:03 for um facials and body massage. And I 32:07 do this with my fingers because I can 32:09 feel it. 32:09 >> Yes. 32:10 >> You know that it was beautiful. 32:12 >> So I was there for some time. Um but it 32:15 didn't it didn't wasn't able to pay 32:17 myself well with it. 32:19 >> No. That's a lot of the problem, isn't 32:21 it? 32:21 >> Yeah. Yeah. Cuz I'd taken on the 32:24 mortgage, given my shares over, took the 32:25 house. So, I got the house and given my 32:28 shares away. So, it was always about 32:29 always being able to manage and earn my 32:32 good money. 32:33 >> So, um yeah, I I took it with me. Um 32:36 what did I do after that? Can't quite 32:38 remember really. Where did I do? Oh, 32:39 that was still There you go. Went back 32:41 to college. Trained in beauty therapy 32:44 and just to get up to the level where I 32:46 could because I had this vision that I 32:49 would be doing more than beauty therapy. 32:51 It wasn't quite for me. I had a vision 32:54 and um I still did the holistic within 32:58 the family and myself. So yeah. 33:01 >> So it felt like beauty therapy, 33:04 this is not an insult to beauty 33:05 therapist was more surface level, but 33:07 you had to be working deeper. 33:08 >> Yeah. Yeah. Because I needed deeper 33:10 skin. I could have made still done it 33:12 with holistic, but I just felt okay, 33:14 let's just go down this route and see 33:15 how we feel about it. 33:17 >> So there you go. That was the where I've 33:19 arrived now because skin, body, 33:23 well-being has always fascinated me. 33:25 >> Yeah. So, you have a clinic now. 33:29 >> What does that offer? What does it look 33:32 like, feel like? 33:35 >> Yeah. Well, before I answer that, I did 33:38 go and buy a clinic salon. 33:40 >> Okay. 33:40 >> Nearby in a beautiful town cuz I wanted 33:43 that experience of being in a clinic. 33:45 So, I had seven staff. So I um it wasn't 33:49 doing that well, so I bought it and 33:50 turned it around and then about six 33:52 years later sold it. 33:53 >> Okay. 33:53 >> But it gave me um a good understanding 33:57 of that front-end client care. So I do 33:59 reception 34:01 >> um do all sorts of things. 34:02 >> Yeah. 34:02 >> Um I wanted to feel what it's like 34:06 >> in a salon environment, clinic salon 34:08 environment rather than just being a 34:10 solo 34:11 >> with you. 34:11 >> And I loved it. 34:12 >> Yeah, 34:13 >> I loved it. I really did. But it was 34:14 time to sell it. And but whilst I had 34:17 the salon, I was also developing myself 34:19 as um a freelance per makeup artist. 34:23 >> Wonderful. 34:23 >> Yeah. Yeah. With a skin background. So 34:26 and then eventually after about 15 34:29 clinics I used to go and visit providing 34:31 all those services I started my own 34:36 by London Luton airport in 2012. 34:39 >> Was that quite unusual then combining 34:42 actual skin therapy with makeup? I think 34:45 because I had the beauty training before 34:46 I trained in per makeup. 34:49 >> I had that love for skin, facials, 34:53 >> understanding the skin, the science 34:55 behind it. 34:57 >> You are what you eat, what you do in 34:58 your life, your skin will show you. You 35:00 know, you feel off, feel poorly, your 35:02 skin will show. So, I had that that side 35:04 of it. So the per makeup has been an 35:08 amazing journey for me because I became 35:10 a medical tattooist working with are you 35:13 know areas scarring burns and 35:15 everything. 35:16 >> Do you know one of the most interesting 35:18 ones I've seen cuz my daughter's a 35:19 tattoo artist and part of her motivation 35:22 was wanting to go into the areola 35:23 tattoos and things. [snorts] 35:25 Somebody sent us a picture of somebody 35:27 who'd had like the little finger and the 35:30 ring finger partially amputated 35:32 >> and somebody had tattooed the nails on 35:34 the stumps and your brain readjusts and 35:37 make the makes the fingers look like a 35:38 normal size. 35:39 >> Yeah. 35:40 >> Yeah. How healing must that be for that 35:43 person? And it really struck me. 35:45 >> Yeah, it is. So, I'm a paramedical 35:47 artist, so I do that. 35:48 >> I do are 35:50 >> probably like your daughter. Um, 35:52 >> she's not at that yet. She's only been 35:53 three years in tattooing. and she wants 35:55 to get more experience. 35:57 >> Yeah, that's good. Good choice. 35:58 >> So, 35:58 >> yeah, I left about 3 years before I went 36:00 into that side of it. 36:02 >> So, very rewarding. 36:04 >> Yeah. 36:04 >> Very different um vibe with the clients. 36:08 Very, very different vibe. 36:09 >> So, yeah, it's amazing. Amazing. Amazing 36:11 job. 36:12 >> But the skin side of it, you know, said 36:14 as a beauty therapist, I did that side 36:17 of it. So, so I trained and trained more 36:19 and gained more experience for skin, 36:21 more qualifications for skin. where the 36:24 qualifications came from, I don't know 36:25 because school, remember, didn't really 36:26 offer me much. So, no, but all of a 36:28 sudden, well, not all of a sudden, but 36:30 that point when I was poorly, it was 36:32 important to have that recognition. 36:34 >> Yeah. 36:34 >> So, yeah. So, what it what I've got now 36:37 is in a very big building near London 36:40 Luton Airport. It's part clinic, part 36:42 academy. 36:44 So, I teach and I treat. 36:46 >> Wonderful. 36:47 >> Yeah. Yeah. So, it's a nice nice big 36:50 room. Um, we do teach in there. people 36:52 that want to learn, excuse 36:53 [clears throat] me, people that want to 36:54 learn the job. 36:56 >> Um, but also my clients come there and 36:58 um when Yeah, I mean it's just 37:00 beautiful. It's beautiful to have that 37:03 space, your own space. 37:06 It must be. 37:07 >> And I think as a client, I would find it 37:10 quite reassuring 37:12 >> to know that the service I was receiving 37:16 as a client 37:18 >> was under the same umbrella with the 37:21 same person in charge as was training 37:24 the new people that were coming up. So 37:26 that service would continue even if my 37:27 individual practitioner 37:30 >> went elsewhere, decided he didn't want 37:31 to do it, had kids, whatever it might 37:34 be. 37:34 >> Yes. Yeah, very important and it's not 37:37 something I it's not something I I 37:40 probably should expose that more to my 37:42 clients, my clinic clients and also um 37:45 the people that come to train to me with 37:47 me. I should put say well I do say to 37:49 the people that are going to train to be 37:50 honest. I'm conte to myself there is 37:52 that I I do work in clinics still. So 37:54 it's not I do maintain my own skills. 37:58 >> So but with my clinic clients I don't 38:00 necessarily push that. I think there a 38:02 lot of them are aware of it. my 38:03 regulars, when I say regulars, you know, 38:04 the ones paint makeup and other things, 38:06 they come yearly or every 18 months, I 38:08 think they are aware of that, but I 38:10 don't really talk too much about it 38:11 really. 38:12 >> Um because it's also their time. 38:15 >> Yeah, true. 38:16 >> On the couch, you know, it's their time. 38:17 It's it's it's listening. Yeah. 38:20 Listening to them. Um there's times when 38:22 they can speak obviously when there's 38:24 needles around and times when they can't 38:26 speak. 38:27 >> Absolutely. 38:27 >> But I always make extra time for them 38:29 before and after. And um yeah, it's 38:32 >> so what sort of things is that? Is it 38:34 eyebrows, eyeliner, lipstick? 38:36 >> Eyebrows, eyeliner, lipstick, lip blush, 38:39 those type of things. Um with scarring. 38:41 I do skin needling on the skin as well. 38:44 The pills, you know, we I put programs 38:46 together for people, you know, not just 38:47 like, oh, come and have a peel or come 38:49 and have a skin needle. Let's look at 38:51 what you're wanting to achieve, what's 38:52 what's going to be achievable really. So 38:55 those type but the per makeup side. 38:56 Yeah. But you with the per makeup also 38:58 you can do camouflage on scarring. 39:02 >> Yeah. With a with a with your device and 39:05 specific medical grade pigments which 39:07 some people say they're ink and they're 39:08 not ink but they're similar 39:10 >> and that can help with the scarring as 39:11 well. So yeah, that's what my days my 39:13 days are so varied. 39:15 >> Yeah. So varied. I will say recently the 39:18 um are I've been doing areola since 2009
Mentoring, Hypnotherapy, and Future Plans 39:22 and it's one of those that it can go 39:24 quiet and be a bit busier but since 39:26 January it's gone very busy which is 39:29 great but also it's it's you know you 39:31 think about these pe these ladies you 39:32 know and guys 39:33 >> yeah yeah 39:34 >> yeah it's such a rewarding job 39:37 >> it really is and it's probably the 39:39 longest I've been in so it's 21 years 39:43 >> so you've definitely settled into 39:45 something new I Yeah. And maybe it's 39:47 because it's partially because of the 39:49 variety of it. 39:50 >> It's the variety, but it's also 39:53 the nurturing. 39:54 >> Yes. 39:54 >> I like to look after my clients. 39:57 >> Yeah. 39:58 >> Yeah. So, we talk about well-being. 40:01 >> They ask me lots of questions. 40:03 >> I mean, I can't, you know, I just tell 40:05 them what I've been doing 40:06 >> on bio identical hormones and, you know, 40:08 try to guide them a bit with their skin. 40:11 >> So, but the well-being and that 40:13 nurturing always comes in. Same as when 40:16 I was in sales. I was brilliant at sales 40:18 because I just chatted. 40:20 >> Yeah. 40:20 >> Nurtured them, looked after them. 40:22 >> Because it's not it's in sales, it's so 40:26 much about the person, the interaction 40:29 between the two 40:31 >> or more humans that are there at the 40:33 time, isn't it? 40:34 >> Yeah. 40:34 >> I mean, the product's important or the 40:36 service, whatever it is, 40:38 >> but it's the individual interaction that 40:42 >> will sell, 40:43 >> isn't it? It's trust. 40:47 >> Yeah. 40:47 >> Trust. Trusting that person. I was never 40:49 hard sell. I wasn't a hard I had high 40:51 targets. I mean, we're talking about 40:52 millions, [snorts] 40:54 >> but I was always there was no hard sale. 40:56 >> Yeah. 40:57 >> Hope they're not listening. [laughter] 40:59 >> I brought them lots of money in. 41:01 >> Well, they're not going to complain, are 41:02 they? You know, like you were saying, 41:04 you clearly did well. 41:05 >> Yeah. 41:06 >> Yeah. 41:07 >> You know, and if you did it by being a 41:09 human being and a decent, trustworthy 41:11 one at that, 41:12 >> Yeah. Yeah, 41:13 >> that's commendable. 41:14 >> Yeah, I loved it all. I've loved 41:16 everything about it. Yeah. 41:17 >> Yeah. So, I think it's always it's you 41:19 got to like people about being with 41:20 people. You got to be front end. 41:22 >> Yeah. I completely agree with that. 41:26 >> So, even though you're settled and have 41:28 been enjoying this for 21 years, 41:31 >> do you see 41:33 anything further or I mean at some 41:37 point? 41:37 >> Yeah, I have. 41:39 >> Oh, 41:39 >> I have. So, um, I claimed to be a coach, 41:43 mentor. So, um, and I wanted to help 41:47 other businesses. So, I signed up for 41:49 the help to grow with the government 41:50 scheme. 41:51 >> Ah, lovely. 41:52 >> Yeah. So, um, haven't done any of that 41:54 for a while, but I'm there for people in 41:56 my industry. 41:57 >> Yeah. 41:58 >> Um, if they they need that. So, they go 42:00 through the help to grow scheme. Um, and 42:03 I'm part of the ABM mentoring. So, I 42:05 have been mentoring people in my 42:07 industry, some outside about, you know, 42:10 where they're at with the businesses. 42:12 >> Um, some of it's strategic, some of it's 42:14 a little bit more consultancy. It just 42:16 depends. So, that side of it is I love 42:18 as well. 42:19 >> Yeah, 42:19 >> we were talking about this earlier, 42:20 weren't we? Like, 42:22 >> um, and going might be quite eclectic, 42:26 but I trained last year. I'm not yet 42:28 qualified as um, I'm going to say 42:31 hypnotherapist. 42:32 >> Bless nonrance. I did learn trance. So I 42:35 did all my training last year, done some 42:37 case studies. This year I've been bus. 42:39 Last year I was very busy. So this year 42:41 I'm just finishing that now. Um that 42:44 again it's about the mind. Yeah. It was 42:46 about the mind working with people. 42:48 >> Yeah. So I'm not sure where that would 42:50 take me. All I know is it it's there. 42:53 It's something I wanted to do. 42:55 >> Yeah. Yeah. It sounds as though 42:59 from the overview kind of thing, 43:03 you absolutely still want slash need 43:06 that personto person. 43:07 >> Yeah. 43:08 >> Involvement, 43:10 but that sounds like futurep proofing. 43:12 >> Yeah. 43:13 >> What you're telling me is that you can 43:15 still do a lot of the training without 43:17 too much 43:19 >> what's the word I'm looking for? 43:21 >> Effort almost. And the same you can do a 43:24 lot of the other things online or you 43:27 know with low impact on you in person. 43:30 So 43:30 >> I love that. I love that future 43:32 proofing. You're absolutely right. It is 43:34 that and we spoke before about you know 43:36 you can you can be so busy with things 43:39 that you're not really getting any 43:40 footwear or you're wearing yourself out. 43:42 I have to always be mindful that I can 43:45 have relapses. 43:46 >> Yes. 43:47 >> You know I'm lucky I touchwood. I don't 43:50 get too many, but I I am prone can be 43:53 prone to to just be in bed for a few 43:56 days. 43:57 >> I think I'm ill. I'm coming down with 43:58 something. But it's not. It's just that 44:01 that back to when I was 25 when I got 44:04 ill. So, I have to be aware of that at 44:06 this age now. Still very young, of 44:08 course, we both are, but what do you 44:11 want in life? So, future proofing is 44:13 absolutely spot on really where it is. 44:15 And you're absolutely right because now 44:16 I've got trainers that are freelancers, 44:18 but I know them well. They are doing 44:19 some of the training for me. 44:20 >> Yes. 44:21 >> Uh the beauty stuff and all of that. I 44:23 do more of the per makeup training. Um 44:25 only about 10 people a year I do now. 44:28 One to one. So yeah. So yeah, great. I 44:31 can make more money with more, but 44:33 onetoone is what I'm about. I'm about 44:35 people that are very serious about ch 44:36 changing their careers coming into that 44:38 industry of skin per makeup and helping 44:42 them and mentoring them, 44:44 >> you know, big investment with me to be 44:47 able to take that next step to be their 44:48 own boss 44:50 >> to be in business cuz yeah, that's what 44:52 I did all those years ago. And I don't 44:55 blame you for wanting to have the 44:57 satisfaction of knowing that somebody is 45:00 properly trained 45:02 >> because my daughter will say to me, 45:04 there's people that are going to like a 45:06 weekend tattoo school. 45:07 >> I know there is 45:08 >> with fake skin and she it just fills her 45:11 with horror. 45:12 >> Yeah, there's a lot going on out there. 45:14 >> But there are regulations that are 45:16 potentially coming in on for that and 45:20 also for the injectables. We'll see. 45:22 It's been going on since 2012, but I 45:24 think it we're getting close to 45:25 consultation. So, you're absolutely 45:26 right about that. There it is busy. I 45:28 mean, when I started, I think 45:30 >> back in 2005, I think there's only like 45:32 40 of us in the UK doing it, 45:34 >> you know. So, it has grown, which is 45:36 great. Which is great. But, yeah. Going 45:39 back to what you're saying about the 45:40 future proofing. Yeah. Yeah. There's 45:43 only so many people a day you can do per 45:45 makeup on. 45:46 >> Yeah. 45:46 >> If you want to do it properly and do it 45:48 good, you can become quite tired. 45:50 >> Yeah. Um, and it's been great for me. 45:53 But, you know, so 45:54 >> yeah, future proofing definitely. I like 45:57 that. 45:58 >> No, I don't blame you because 46:03 you see a lot you're a lot like me in 46:05 that your mind is 46:08 >> always creating other opportunities, 46:10 other paths it wants to go down, other 46:13 >> things it wants to satisfy. And so to 46:16 have something that you can do that you 46:18 excel at that you've been doing for a 46:20 long time that fulfills your soul. 46:23 >> Yeah. 46:23 >> With not a lot of impact on you will 46:25 allow you to do that as well, won't it? 46:27 >> Yeah. Fulfill the soul. I think Yeah. 46:31 That's it. Isn't it? Especially people 46:34 that like to be doing different things. 46:36 >> Yeah. 46:36 >> Yeah. Or or what what's next, you know? 46:39 >> Yeah. And if you're searching for a what 46:41 next that 46:43 is of an interest or brings you joy as 46:46 opposed to and you're coming from a 46:48 place of already feeling fulfilled. 46:53 >> That's much more of a stressfree joyous 46:55 journey, isn't it? 46:56 >> Yeah. Yeah. 46:58 >> Yeah. Yeah. I have an ultimate goal. 47:00 Live partly abroad. 47:02 >> Wonderful. 47:03 >> And work here. Come back. I have that 47:05 goal 47:06 >> somewhere warm. 47:07 >> Yeah. Do you know what? just Spain, 47:10 you know, just Malaga in the mountains. 47:13 >> Peace, fresh air. 47:15 >> Fresh air. Working from a laptop a 47:16 little bit, mentoring. 47:18 Um yeah, just being part of a community, 47:21 flying back, seeing the kids, 47:23 >> grandkids. 47:24 >> Yeah. 47:24 >> Um doing some work here, you know, just 47:27 life. Life's for living. 47:29 >> Absolutely. 47:30 >> So much. It's been such a journey. It's 47:32 like 47:32 >> Yeah. Busy, busy, busy. It's just for 47:34 enjoying, isn't it? 47:35 >> Yeah. 47:36 >> Yeah. Yeah. And my goodness me, you've 47:37 been through enough. You need time to 47:40 >> enjoy the fruits of your labors. 47:41 >> Absolutely. Yeah. Loved it all. Wouldn't 47:44 have changed anything. 47:47 >> I love that. 47:48 >> Yeah. 47:49 >> I wish you all the very best going 47:51 forward. 47:51 >> Yeah. And you 47:52 >> and with your current plans as well, 47:54 long may they continue. 47:56 >> Yeah. 47:56 >> Get that qualification finished, etc., 47:58 etc. 48:00 >> Yeah. 48:01 >> Yeah. Well, [clears throat] I know that 48:02 we're going to talk in the future. 48:04 If anything new comes up, I'll let you 48:05 know. 48:06 >> Wonderful. 48:06 >> I appreciate and I'm so grateful you 48:08 invited me on the podcast. 48:10 >> No, 48:11 >> I like a good chat 48:12 >> and it shows and it's wonderful. I've 48:14 really enjoyed it. Thank you, my 48:15 darling. Thank you. 48:17 >> Thanks, darling.
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