Root Causes Of Hormone Imbalances (Including Thyroid Hormone)

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Thanks so much. I am really happy to be here.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah. And I you know, I’ve followed your work. We’ve known each other for years and years, it seems through our mutual connection with the Metal Genetic Neutrogena Network Institute. And we both studied there with Bob Miller and, you know, you have so much to bring to the table today because a lot of people who are struggling with thyroid, they’re also having infertility issues. And fertility is something that’s it’s dropping, it’s a problem. And so I’m excited to hear about some of the root causes that you discuss in your new book. And we’ll talk about that. But also, let’s just start off by telling the audience about yourself and your practice.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. Thanks. I started out just as a health coach. My dad actually was a nutritional biochemist, so I grew up always having outside of the box nutrition. And I talk about that in my book about how I was likely the only kid in junior high that knew what a probiotic was in the nineties and how, you know, before the Atkins Diet, I was like, well, my dad says, bagels make you fat. And like, I didn’t understand the mechanism in elementary school, you know, but so I had my dad as the person that allowed me to know that there’s deeper nutrition there than what was currently being taught. And I didn’t go to college for nutrition because they didn’t have any nutrition programs in college that I thought were adequate. They were just all your USDA kind of, you know, eat your hydrogenated oils and whatever.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And so I have to go.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Exactly. Yeah. And so I got a psychology degree instead. And I talk about in my book how like that I did learn about psycho neuro immunology and that that sort of bridged the gap between physical and emotional health. And so I became a health coach and my former career was in birth work as a dullard prenatal yoga instructor and all that. And then I wanted to do something more. So I became a research assistant for Bob Miller, probably, I don’t know, about over ten years ago when it was he hired me just to research my father and we both know like that quickly just, you know, turned into every other gene and pathway. And so I sort of merged my new knowledge with neutral genomics with my former career in first birth work. I had apprenticed with a midwife and she I had no idea that infertility was so prevalent when I was in my early twenties. It just wasn’t talked about. But when I was working with her, there were numerous women that would come in with infertility challenges or miscarriages. And it really it made sense to me as far as like what I saw was lacking or what was going on with them. And so it really brought everything full circle as far as merging the nutrition and the reproductive health aspect.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And that that leads me to the title of your book so everybody can go buy it where they buy books or an Amazon functional Neutrogena AMA consultant that’s a two hour and it’s called Enhancing Fertility through functional medicine using Neutrogena likes to spot to solve unexplained infertility. So I’m sure and we went through the chapters on this book you know really again there’s there’s comment but there’s lesser known root causes. Are there a few that you want to take us through?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Yeah. So a lot of people think that hormonal imbalances are the root cause of fertility issues, but hormones are merely chemical messengers, and conventional medicine focuses on forcing hormones to be in specific ranges. But that doesn’t address the root cause of why the hormones are in the levels that they are. We need to find out what’s going on, that the body feels the need to temporarily shut off mating ability. So we need to get to the root cause of the hormone imbalance as well as poor egg health. So oxidative stress is really what’s at the heart of it all. And for people that may not know what that is, that’s cellular damage. That’s damage to the physical structure of the cell. And also the information that the cell contains. And each chapter in my book discusses a different aspect of something of the cause of oxidative stress or related to oxidative stress that can cause hormone imbalances and fertility challenges. So, yeah, do you want me to go into a couple?

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s exactly what I’d like you to do.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. So common, but lesser known. So these things, the more that they are on my radar, the more I am seeing them happen. Like, I know mold is a really hot topic in functional medicine right now. A lot more people are talking about mold and the micro toxin toxins it produces. But a lot of people that are in the fertility space are not even considering that as a factor for hormone problems. And fertility challenges. But the more people that I test and work with, the more there’s more people that have issues with that. Then not so mold in my Botox is a chapter. Histamine intolerance is a chapter. Histamine has its fingers in a lot of parts in the body and absolutely affects our hormone levels because histamine and estrogen feed each other. And so if you have an issue with one, you’re likely going to have an issue with the other. Also, I talk about poor fatty acid utilization. High cholesterol is the precursor to all of our sex and stress hormones. And so if you’re not properly using the fact that you’re eating, then your hormones aren’t going to be able to be made and be inadequate levels. I know you’ve talked about blood sugar, blood sugar dysregulation as one of the last chapters of my book, because if you go through and address a lot of the other causes of oxidative stress, then there’s a better chance that your blood sugar is is not going to be something that you really need to outright target. It should sort of take care of itself. Your blood sugar, sort of a downstream effect of a lot of this other causes of oxidative stress. And I know you’re the phase two and phase 2.5 Detox Queen. And I actually talk about that in my book as well and how you need to take a bottoms up approach rather than just going and trying to target the liver. We need to work and how that bile flow is so critical for so many things, especially hormone balance.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Okay, so let’s pick apart starting from mold toxicity. So for mold, we know that there’s about 25% of the population, maybe 20%, that have HLA genes where they have antigen presenting problems and when they get exposed to mold, they’ll end up with what’s known as serious chronic inflammatory response syndrome. And so are you looking at it that there’s infertility outside of that 25%? Are you saying that even people who have normal HLA genes that don’t have that predisposition, kind of the work of shoemaker and human, even those people who are not genetically susceptible because you are genetic expert. Would those people too could that just being in the mold, could that cause infertility problems? Do you see that?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, like only about a quarter of the population has those HLA variants that predispose you to it. So really, regardless of what your I say, the having the genetic variant just adds weight to the side of the scale for things to be more problematic. So you have no genetic variants and still have issues because of maybe prolonged exposure or maybe you had Lyme earlier or you know, EBV or something else that’s just going to weaken your immune system or maybe you had more toxic exposures and so your bucket is more full and that makes you more more susceptible to having worse problems with mold and mycotoxins. But mycotoxins themselves especially zero well-known Zima is the biggest hormone disruptor and hormone limiter. And so definitely knowing the type of micro toxin that you have in your body and often, you know, testing your environment because there usually is a correlation with if you have current exposure, that’s what’s going to show up in your urine. But absolutely. And also, even if the micro toxin isn’t an outright endocrine disruptor or hormone mimic or by causing oxidative stress by damaging your cells in other areas or affecting your liver, that’s going to throw off your hormone levels and cause inflammation and oxidative stress nonetheless.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Okay. So for a person who thinks, well, maybe, maybe that could be me, I have infertility issues or hormone issues and that could be me. I’m sure that seeking out a practitioner who is well versed in testing for mold is important. So if they do find that person, if they go to you, what kind of testing are you doing for mold both in the person and in the home? And then I’ll ask the following question after that.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. So as far as testing the body, I really like the real time urinary. I really I’ve also started to use the fiber wellness mycotoxins and then I do know Great Plains is a popular one as well. I personally prefer the real time and the vibrant wellness. And then as far as environmental testing goes, I tell my clients there’s not one definitive answer, there’s not one test that’s going to be the end all. Usually you need a couple of different forms of testing, but the petri dishes can be great, especially for what’s kind of floating around in the air. But they’re not going to pick up things like Stafford Mattress, which is a really sticky mold. So in that case, coupling that with an asthma test to to test for mycotoxins rather than just mold because not all mold is toxic. So I would recommend that or I recommend people go to the ISI.org website because they’re just a wealth of information and they have a lot of resources and they have blogs and they have doctors and they have inspectors and mediators and all of those things on their website.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And then the next question I have is that you mentioned histamine and estrogens and feeding off of each other. Dig a little deeper on that for people who, you know, want a little bit more information on how those are linked together.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. So mast cells are what release dozens of different types of chemicals, one of which is histamine and mold and mycotoxins. Stimulate the mast cells to release histamine. So oftentimes when you have a mold issue, you have a histamine issue and then histamine and estrogen definitely feed each other. So one, one way to kind of tell if histamine might be an issue for you if you’re a woman is if you feel worse around ovulation when your estrogen is at its highest rate before ovulation and then it’s it’s pretty high arises again about a week before menstruation and so if you’re having migraines or nausea or even vomiting around those times, then you might want to look into the if histamine is an issue.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And I think of histamine again, it’s one of those things that we definitely we just don’t want to take a bunch of antihistamines. That’s not the point. Right. Like Jaclyn said, it’s like find the root cause. So that could be mold. That could be a lot of different things causing that high history. But certainly stabilizing the mast cells, if you’re having those issues, is a good idea while finding the root cause of what’s going on. But, you know, I think we could talk we could do an entire seminar on mast cells and histamine. But I think that’s great that you’re looking at that. And I would bet that part of that work up then is to do some sort of hormone testing. Tell us about the type of hormone testing that you prefer.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

What before I go into that one clinical pearl that I want to mention is you had said I’m having a mind blank right now. Oh, about the histamines how you don’t just want to take antihistamines all the time. People think that antihistamines degrade your histamine, but they don’t. They just shuffle it around the body so it’s going somewhere else in the body and not actually getting degraded. So there are things you can do to help encourage histamine degradation as far as like damage oxidase or something like that. But yes, enabling the mast the mast cells, stabilizing the mast cells is a huge part of it. And then also lowering the amount of histamine that’s coming in through the diet is another proactive approach to keep histamine levels low. Now, as far as hormone testing goes, the Dutch test, I just can’t speak highly enough of it. I’m sure that’s a lot of your listeners are familiar with that. And that’s that stands for drive urine testing for comprehensive hormones. So it’s a urinary test because then you can see the hormone metabolites most blood tests only measure your estradiol and and you’re not seeing how that’s metabolizing if that’s metabolizing done the beneficial to hydroxy pathway and if it’s getting methylated or if it’s going down before hydroxy pathway. So it’s really all about estrogen metabolism, not just your estrogen levels.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s right. And do you do then an initial and then you’re doing all of your work and then you’re doing a follow up.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

To see unless somebody is really been they’re very motivated and very educated and they already have, you know, all of the plastics and, you know, all of they’re doing all the things already with diet and lifestyle. I don’t usually start with a hormone test aside from those people because there’s so many things that we can talk about and there’s so many factors that are affecting hormones. So I like to address those like, Hey, let’s get the plastics out, let’s not touch the receipts. Let’s start getting or buying organic all of these things and addressing stress. And then I like to do a baseline Dutch test and see what’s going on with the hormones.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Nice. Yeah, I like that. You still like to do it that way too. It’s like we know we’re not doing our best when you. When you walk in the door. So let’s do our best and then let’s see where we’re at. I think that’s a really good approach, too. You mentioned Jaclyn  phase two and 2.5 Liver Detox, and I know that your research, Bob Miller’s research, really helped me understand the importance of liver detoxification, what to do, what not to do. And so talk to us about when you’re looking at someone and they’re struggling with infertility, you’re looking I’m sure you’re running a genetic panel. Can you give us any insights on what you’re looking for? You know, you don’t have to go to high level because we don’t have like this the snips and, you know, report in front of us. But like just in general and then because it’s personalized. So talk to us about that.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. So a lot of people talk about methylation and that is very important. But a lot of people think your hormones are completely just dependent on methylation and you need methylation to clear hormones. But a lot of people forget that your hormones need to be sulfates. And the glucagon addiction pathway is a really, really important one for all of your endogenous substances. So that’s all of the things that our body produces. So we need the glue quantitation pathway to be working and not plugged in order for our estrogens and other hormones to be metabolized. Also for histamine to be metabolized and for bilirubin to be metabolized. So a lot of people forget about these other phase two liver detox pathways. And so the software that I use for genomic interpretation looks at each of these phase two pathways, and we can get an idea for what your genetic predispositions are and also what your exposures are when we talk and go over your intake form. 

So if somebody, for instance, has had mild exposure or lived in a moldy apartment or, you know, their office or whatever, then they would run an Asian pathway is going to be overwhelmed to begin with regardless of what their genetics are, because the glucagon addition pathway is responsible for clearing the most diverse amount of mycotoxins. And so those that you definitely want to support the gluconate Asian pathway if you have any hormone imbalance and or mold exposure. So but again, you know, the South Asian pathway is super important and also nobody talks about acetylation and so methylation and mTOR Jaffar just get the spotlight. And I almost jokingly titled my book Empty FA as a gateway gene because so many people place so much emphasis on empty FA and they blame their poor detoxification or they blame their miscarriages on this one gene. And I’m not discounting the importance of that gene, but that’s just a lot of weight to place on a single gene.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah, we’re very reductionistic, aren’t we? I mean, humans just want one pill to solve everything and one gene to blame, you know, to make it easy on ourselves. But it’s so much more nuanced. Right? That’s why I love that you talked about the selfish and Google on a day and I mean the acetylation. I mean, that’s where if I wouldn’t have been for Bob Miller’s work in your work, I wouldn’t have taken that seriously. And that has a lot to do with all the detoxification pathways that they have to be running smoothly in order to have good hormone health. I mean, really, literally have to look at those.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

And then be in concert with each other. But going back to the whole reductionistic, like no one gene works in isolation. So it was, you know, when I learned about what, what other genes like when it started with empty far I learned about the methylation pathway and there’s genes that affect mTOR too far and there are genes and pathways that make up our effects. And so we can’t just treat the snip. That’s just, that’s, that’s outdated. We can’t do that. And if somebody is doing that, which a lot of the genetic reports these days are just providing canned responses and they’re saying, oh, well, you have this genetic variant, so take this supplement and avoid this. And then ten pages later they’re saying, well, you have this genetic variant, so take this supplement and avoid that one, which directly contradicts what they had said ten pages before.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s right. That’s right. Yeah, we’ve seen a lot of bad actors have read a lot along the way. And it isn’t it is not as simple as it seems. It’s not you have this genetic defect, you need this again. It’s like even people I’m sure you’ve seen homozygous empty EGFR like some of them don’t need any methylation support. Like you have to actually look at those levels. And so my next question is, what do you look at in the serum then when you’re looking at detoxification, I’m sure you’re looking at subjective assessment is just very powerful. A good intake is very, extremely powerful. But is there any are there any blood tests then you’re looking to kind of add to the clues of the liver is probably a little congested and not working as well.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Oh yeah. All the liver enzymes that get the AC, the T, the Z ray and then just general markers for inflammation, you know, like the shoemaker talks about those, those ones and then even ferritin. I know the conventional range comparison is something like 50 to 200 or something outrageously broad like that, where that’s an acute phase reactant, so it goes up with inflammation. So I want to see it no higher than 80, maybe, maybe 100, but if it’s above 100, you’ve got some inflammation going on, you’ve got some iron dysregulation going on. So all of those can be indicators of liver stress and detoxification issues for sure.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

So let’s dig in a little bit more on iron dysregulation because this is a hot button topic. We have the morally Robinsons of the world and there’s just a lot of debate and iron deficiency anemia and so on, so forth. And I think that there are some really good strategies that we can use. And I will quote the root cause protocol for giving us some of those strategies. What so you’re looking at labs, obviously, to to an inflammation will cause all kinds of iron dysregulation. But give us your thoughts on that topic.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Well, most people think that iron issues solely are an issue of iron deficiency anemia and that’s pretty antiquated. Just the fact that doctors are still saying, oh, your iron low here, take their fumarate or ferrous sulfate.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Especially when the entire food source that we get on a soap box here, we’re inundated with iron is the number one element on the earth or I mean, it’s up there in terms of how much iron we’re actually getting. And I find it funny as well for well-educated practitioners to say, well, you have iron deficiency anemia. It’s like if we see that Cheerios you to where they grind it up and with the shards of it in there. So continue on because we’re on the same page.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Yeah, for sure. So it’s again, it’s the whole pathway. And you know, Bob Miller is really into the Fenton reaction. There’s a whole entire genetic profile for the Fenton reaction, which for your listeners that don’t know, that’s when copper and iron are improperly used, they create free radicals called hydroxyl radicals. And so we want to make sure it’s not like you said, it’s not an iron acquisition issue. Iron is the most abundant mineral on earth. And especially if you’re eating meat, then it’s fortified in a lot of foods that are processed. So it’s not that we’re not getting enough iron. It’s an iron utilization issue. And so you need and of this is morally Robbins work but we need a really plasma which is a copper binding protein to make sure that our copper is properly bound so that iron regulation stands a chance. 

And, you know, we can do that with things like retinol rather than beta carotene, which we can see what your genetic predisposition for beta carotene to retinol conversion is. But yeah, it’s more than just the 5G and there’s a lot of other genes in that pathway as well. But it really comes down to is it being properly used? And if not, like, where is it getting stuck? Is it getting stuck in your tissues and cells? And it likely is. And that’s why it’s nice to a lot of practitioners recommend doing an H TMA so that you can measure what’s in the tissue and measure what’s in the blood. And you can kind of see if, you know, if your blood looks deficient but it’s in excess in the tissues and what can we do to help coax it out of the tissues so that it can be properly used and not not oxidizing and causing damage to the tissue?

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Get an h tma here tissue mineral analysis for anybody who doesn’t know that acronym. Yeah I think that’s a great approach. And that being said, are you a fan of organ eating organs or ancestral eating? Is like as far as you can glandular go.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

I am. Yes, I am for sure.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Okay. Again, fruits in fertility commonly see you know issues with again the we’re having a little connection issue with just not not getting really the nutrients and I think that’s the organ needs and if you can’t stand organ meat I know that when I was pregnant, I could probably not handle eating any organ meats, but there are capsules for people like I take my liver capsules every day. Professional health products has a really nice liver powder, tastes like chocolate and cinnamon. And so I really think that people, of course, do nutritional assessments, doing micro nutrient assessments. I’m sure that’s very important because it kind of gets swept under the rug. Again, these are the nutrients a driver biochemistry that drive hormone production and regulation. And so if we’re lacking on those, that’s a problem. Can you comment from your standpoint of being a practitioner? What are some of the top micronutrient deficiencies you see?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Yeah. So just to piggyback off that, just to understand how the genes work, all of the genes in our body code for making an enzyme and those enzymes require nutritional cofactors or helpers in order to work. So if you are deficient in those nutritional factors, it’s as if you have a genetic variant there anyway. And then if you throw a genetic variant on top of it, that can make the situation even worse. So nutrients, you know, magnesium and zinc are really, really big ones. If you look up any kind of biochemical pathway cofactors, you’ll see that they’re really big and abundant as well as a lot of the B vitamins. I would say those are the top ones that you see that are nutritional cofactors that are needed for things. But you know, manganese is needed for superoxide. This mutation, your amino acids are needed for food of iron. And so really it does come down to the food that we eat and we and we need to make sure that our body is able to digest it and use it. 

And sometimes we have issues transporting nutrients. And so that’s where knowing your genes can really help, where you might need additional support. It’s not going to be a diagnostic thing and it’s not going to allow you to just eat crap and just supplement your way out of it. It’s really understanding where the weak links are so that you can support them. But yeah, so I would say magnesium is a huge one and B vitamins are my another favorite of mine. And like I said, zinc, but, but enough of a single mineral trace mineral that I commonly recommend, especially for any of my clients that are having like wonky periods or period issues, is chromium, poly nicotinic, which, which helps assist the glucose to be shuttled into the cell so you don’t get the rollercoaster and just something as simple as a really inexpensive trace minerals that can really help to keep your hormones balanced, support your cortisol levels and have healthy cycles.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Great. And what about Inositol Myo Inositol? Are you a fan of those?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

I am. I actually just started taking that again. I hadn’t taken it for years and it just it benefits numerous things in the body. And so I am a fan. I don’t I don’t have PCOS. A lot of my clients do. And I do know that it is super beneficial for PCOS and it helps with blood sugar regulation.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Just like that. Chromium. Whenever I think of chromium, I think of the inositol cells and really trying to just help support blood sugar and other pathways. And then what about I’ve been hearing a lot on social media about black seed oil for people with infertility. Are you a fan of that?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Yes, that’s the perilla seed. Is that or the black human seed?

Dr. Kelly Halderman

The black human seed.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Okay. Yeah, yeah, I am. I’m hearing that it has benefits for pretty much the panacea. You know, I haven’t looked at the studies myself, but I have. I think it’s kind of like functional medicine’s new little darling.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Yeah.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Because it can help so many things and it has a pretty low risk, low side effect.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

Right. And my colleague, Dr. Erik Volkow is the coauthor of The Thyroid Debacle. She has this brilliant term of calling, calling this the greenwashing of medicine. So it’s here, don’t take this cholesterol stat and take this red yeast rice. And that’s not the point of what we do. Right? That’s not the point. So I bring these supplements up not because they’re the go to Whole Foods or do them on Amazon will certainly never order any supplements on Amazon. Right. 100% don’t do that. But what we’re seeing is they’re supportive. And if you go to a practitioner like Jaclyn , she’ll know when to use specific nutrients, which is nice because I find that a lot of the people who are struggling with thyroid, struggling with symptoms, you know, they’re tired, brain fog, weight gain. They’re just grasping at so many different nutraceuticals and it just needs to be cleaned up and not greenwash again. So it’s not don’t take these seven medications. Take these 17 supplements. And that’s where to Jaclyn, I know you’ll agree, is that when we’re doing the genetics, that really helps, too, because you mentioned the BCMA gene of converting beta carotene to the active form retinol in your body. And so there’s a lot of people who just knowing this information, you know, for the person who’s listening, you don’t have to understand any of this. But really having a practitioner who can understand that be very personalized and that’s what I really love about your approach is it’s very personalized. And I also love that you give hope to people who are struggling, who just been told that they have to go to IVF. And that’s I think part of the message in your book is that there are these underlying root causes, which we discovered some of them, and that when we’re addressing them, we’re taking our foot off the brake of the body saying, no, we’re not going to reproduce here. 

And it’s for a good reason. Right? So when you’re taking your foot off the brake and you’re letting hormones correct themselves naturally instead of manipulating, manipulating your biochemistry, I just feel like that’s that’s a way to go. And again, you know, in medicine, we say do no harm. And so much of what Jaclyn ‘s practice and what she’s doing, you’re not going to get anything but more healthy, right? That’s the goal, right? We’re not doing anything at all. That’s not going to bring you in a better direction in life long, too. I love practitioners that like you who teach people lifelong skills and that they understand then a little bit more about how their bodies working so they can make better choices instead of just being told what to do. You’re very empowering and in the way that you practice. And again, let’s give the title of your book. You want to give the title of your book again so people can preorder it on Amazon.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Enhancing Fertility through functional medicine, using neutral genomics to solve unexplained infertility. And I wrote the book for two demographics. Actually, I was originally going to make two books. I was going to write one for the layperson that the motivated layperson that has been, you know, educating themselves for some time so they know what glutathione is. And, you know, they know that it’s just more than, well, it’s IVF or nothing. Right. But there’s a lot of biochemical and genetic information placed in the appendices. So it can be a guidebook or a handbook for practitioners as well, so that they can have more tools in their tool kit or more rocks to look under when it comes to working with their clients and patients.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

That’s awesome. That is great. Where else can people find you?

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Jaclyn My website, JaclynDowns.com. Jaclyn Downs. And I am forcing myself to be a bit more active on social media. My Instagram handles at Functional Fertility Solutions.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

And you do a fantastic job of yours, your social media. I just started following you, but I think it’s really good, solid content. And again, I think I hope that you one day create a practitioner course out of your book and a layperson’s course to how much time we have in the day. But I think that when people get their hands on this, it’s just really the reason why Dr. Eric and I wrote the thyroid debacle is we wanted people to be empowered and we wanted them to know that, you know, that their that their fate is under their control as a lot of what’s under our control, and that we’re we need to reach out to practitioners. There are people who are here, just like you, who will take their hand and walk them through it and you’ll leave no stone unturned. That’s what I really was impressed with. The table of contents when you sent it over. I’m like she did it all. She took all the issues. And again, it’s like maybe molds not your problem, but maybe oxalate and histamine are your problem. And so I’m excited to read the book. I’m certainly very thankful to you, Jaclyn , for your time today. We really appreciate it here at Doctor Talks, having just a wealth of knowledge and we haven’t covered anything on fertility yet. So thank you so much for your time today.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Oh, I’m honored to be here. Thank you so much.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

All right. Take care.

Jaclyn Downs, MSHN

Thanks. You, too.

Dr. Kelly Halderman

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