Full Transcript Welcome Dr. Jack Wolfson: A Doctor of Cause 0:01 Hey everybody, welcome to the Eat Pray Faith podcast with Tracy. That is me and
Dr. Wolfsonu2019s Personal Journey with Mold Exposure 0:06 with me today is an incredible guest, Dr. Jack Wolson, who I remember from
Mold vs. Mycotoxins: Whatu2019s the Difference? 0:11 years ago. I friended you on Facebook after your book came out, which was such 0:16 an exciting time and I really feel you revolutionized a particular genre of
The Hidden Crisis: Mold in New Homes 0:21 medicine at that time and made some big waves. So, it is an absolute honor to 0:26 have you on my podcast today. But ironically, we're going to be talking 0:29 about a whole different topic. We're going to be talking about mold,
Mold, Leaky Gut, and Heart Disease Connection 0:32 micotoxins, and the impact on the immune system and how those things can actually 0:37 create disease in the body. So, Dr. Wolson, thank you for being here. It is 0:41 such a pleasure. Thank you so much. It's great to be on. And uh you know, listen,
Why You Must Test Your Home First 0:46 I'm a cardiologist by training, but as you know, you start getting into root 0:51 cause of why people get sick. And when you fix the root cause, you wind up 0:55 helping people with a lot of other health issues. My career was taking off
EMFs, Mold, and Amplified Health Risks 1:00 and things were going really well. But unfortunately for my father, not so 1:03 much. He was in his late 50s and he was uh depressed. He lost a lot of his zest 1:11 for life. We tried him on different pharmaceuticals. He wasn't getting
Symptoms of Mold Exposure You Shouldnu2019t Ignore 1:14 better. And ultimately we take him to the Mayo Clinic. And at the Mayo Clinic 1:18 they diagnose him with progressive supra nuclear paly, a Parkinson's like 1:24 illness. And they said he has three years on average to live. We have no
Big Pharma vs. True Healing: Why Our Plan Works 1:30 treatment for him. And when I asked the head of neurology at the Mayo Clinic 1:34 what caused this, he said he didn't know that there was no known cause of this. 1:40 And then simultaneously, serendipitously, God introduced me to
How to Start Protecting Your Family Right Now 1:47 this young woman who is a chiropractor. And she told me all the reasons why my 1:52 father was sick and dying. And of course, those are things, the food, the
Final Words: Personal Responsibility for Long-Term Health 1:58 lifestyle, the mindset of of what a person has. And ultimately, that would 2:03 awaken my eyes to what really leads people to be sick. It would awaken my 2:08 eyes to me becoming healthy. And ultimately, it's funny, Tracy. She said 2:13 to me, "You need to become a DC." And I said, "What?" I said, "You want me to 2:16 come a DC, a doctor of chiropractic? I've spent all these years training to 2:20 become a cardiologist, and I'm I got this big job here, and everything's 2:23 going really well, and you know, you want me to become a chiropractor?" And 2:26 she said, "No, not DC chirop uh doctor of chiropractic, become a DC doctor of 2:32 cause." And that's exactly what I did. Wow. That's awesome. We're so glad to 2:37 have you on this side of the knowledge because you've bought you brought such I 2:43 would say innovation to the industry with all of your forthinking and you 2:47 know although it's not common practice it's needed and so I know you're a 2:52 cardiologist by trade but you've become just an overall wealth of knowledge in 2:58 health wellness and functional and integrative care. So it's why we decided 3:03 to talk about mold and micotoxins today. It's all relative. You know, 3:06 everything's everything sources back to metabolic. Even cardiovascular disease 3:10 is metabolic. So, when we don't have the right metabolic processes, we're going 3:14 to end up sick in some way. So, how did you get into your interest of mold? Was 3:21 it a personal experience? Are you just seeing more of it in your practice? 3:24 Where did this interest come from? Yeah, it's uh it's definitely a an 3:30 interesting journey of how we got here. And I do consider myself one of the f 3:35 you know world's foremost preventive cardiologist doctor of cause uh and it's 3:41 also but we do stand on the shoulders of giants you know we all do and there were 3:45 other integrative cardiologists before me Steven Sinatra is probably the most 3:49 famous integrative cardiologist and really paved the way for a lot of the 3:54 maybe the next generation of what we are and I think there's this learning 3:59 process that we all go through as far as what causes people to have heart 4:03 disease, heart attacks and strokes or anything else what you know what causes 4:06 that and I think we talk a lot about the food and we all debate the food story 4:10 and then we say listen sunshine and sleep are important but then as we go 4:14 along we hear about all these different toxins that play a role and I think that 4:19 this toxins category we're learning so much more about and certainly all the 4:26 man-made toxins the plastics the phalates the parabens the pesticides all 4:31 those things are really really really bad. But this biblical knowledge of mold 4:40 and what they talked about in the Old Testament in the book of Leviticus about 4:45 how mold leads to health problems that just shows you again this 4:51 is this kind of ancient ancient ancient problem that is only that much worse 4:56 today. Now how did we get you know how did I up my knowledge on this? We were 5:01 living in a house in Arizona in 2018. You think Arizona's dry and there's not 5:06 going to be water damage. Well, any house that has running water can have 5:09 mold. And if you have humidity and if you have an HVAC system, if you have uh 5:15 you know, anything where you're running the air conditioning and things like 5:19 that, again, you can develop mold. and we were living in a house and my wife 5:24 was not feeling well and each one of the family members who were living in that 5:28 house were not feeling well. And then ultimately it takes us to my wife is 5:33 sitting at the kitchen table. She's trying to breastfeed our third child and 5:39 having a lot of difficulty doing that. Not producing a lot of milk. Baby 5:43 didn't have a good latch. All those kind of things. And so she's holding the baby 5:47 with one hand, breast pump with the other while uh our our uh nanny is 5:53 holding a glutathione nebulizer to my wife's mouth. And it's at that moment 5:59 when my wife looked at the area under the kitchen sink and saw a stream of 6:03 water coming from under there. She put uh our baby daughter uh uh down. She 6:10 went to go look under the sink and saw that there was obvious water damage. and 6:14 upon further inspection by professionals that there was mold that was growing 6:19 under the sink. Uh she never went back into that house. She called me that 6:24 afternoon as soon as it happened and said, "Hey, we have mold. It's why we're 6:29 all sick. I'm going down to stay at my sister's house uh with the baby. I want 6:36 you to pick up the two boys who were at a friend's house. and if you want to 6:40 join us, you're welcome to come down to my sister's house, which of course would 6:45 likely have mold as well. But we didn't really know much at that time. And I 6:48 said, "Of course, I love you and I'm coming down to that house." And that was 6:52 the journey of of mold. That's how it all started personally for us. Well, 6:57 thank goodness for your sister-in-law, right? She had the the open room for you 7:01 guys to come in and stay. But that's amazing, you know, and I don't think 7:05 people really realize the impact of mold. So, and it can be detrimental for 7:10 many people. I I mean, I have had clients that live in their car because 7:14 they can't find a place. They've come to a point where they're so extremely 7:19 sensitive to it that it's almost like mass cell activation for them. And 7:23 that's where it all leads. So let's talk about maybe you can give us some 7:27 enlightenment on the types of mold that can be in a household and then the 7:32 difference between mold and micotoxin because I hear those words used 7:36 interchangeably and they're very different. Um so can you give us a 7:39 little bit high level what kinds of molds have you seen be the most 7:43 detrimental to health and then we can talk about micotoxins and the impact of 7:47 those. Yes. So, what happens is is that when 7:54 water from an obvious leak or even humidity changes or 8:00 condensation, when that gets on material, it allows for mold growth. 8:06 Now, it's not anything that's nefarious by mold. It's mold is there to break 8:12 down decayed organic matter. It's help it's it's to recycle. It's a recycling 8:17 system. So when there's mold on a dead piece of wood in the 8:22 forest, it's there to break it all down. It's just the perfect creation of how 8:27 the system all works. So if you're living in a house with mold, the mold 8:32 wants to break down, you know, it wants to eat 8:35 and it wants to live in and of itself and it also want needs to defend itself. 8:43 So the mold releases these toxins that are called 8:48 micotoxins and mico meaning you know being Greek for for mold. So these 8:53 micotoxins now a lot of times Tracy you know this like doctors will kind of roll 8:58 their eyes at this and they'll say mold schmold I mean there's no such thing as 9:02 these mold micotoxins and then you explain 9:06 this the most famous mold micotoxin of all 9:11 time is a toxin that is released from a certain mold that kills 9:17 bacteria because that what mold wants to do. wants to kill other molds and kill 9:21 other bacteria in this fight for territory. So, the mold releases this 9:26 toxin that kills bacteria. In many cases, there's many examples of this, 9:31 but what's the most famous? It's something you may have heard of. It's a 9:34 mold toxin that kills bacteria. It's called 9:37 penicellin. Everybody knows what penicellin does. It kills bacteria, but 9:42 it's a mold micotoxin. And Fleming discovered that 9:47 over a hundred years ago. Yet most medical doctors will not make this 9:51 correlation. So what if you're living in a home that has penicyium mold that's 9:56 releasing this mold micotoxin penicellin? What if you're living in a 10:00 house of penicellin? What do you think that constant exposure to penicellin 10:04 does to your gut microbiome? Right? Do you think that kills good bacteria in 10:08 your gut? Do you think that causes changes to the bacteria in your gut? And 10:13 then what about all the other molds that have other toxins? What do you think 10:17 that does to your gut microbiome? The answer is it damages it. So now you have 10:22 a damaged gut microbiome and that leads to intestinal hyper permeability often 10:28 called leaky gut because the good bacteria are very protective. The good 10:33 bacteria help to make enzymes. They make us more uh readily available to to break 10:41 down our food, absorb our food, create vitamins, you know, from that, turn 10:45 vitamin K1 into K2, for example. So, all these different things that the gut 10:49 microbiome does and and you mentioned earlier about immunity and the immune 10:53 function of that. So, everyone knows about the importance of the gut 10:55 microbiome. And it is these toxins, this toxic onslaught from all places that 11:01 destroy the gut microbiome. But in particular at this moment, I guess we're 11:04 talking about mold uh growing in the home, bacteria in the home. And then 11:08 ultimately, once you have leaky gut, now you've got inflammation, oxidative 11:12 stress, immune system activation that leads to autonomic dysfunction, 11:16 endothelial dysfunction, leaky blood vessels. Now 11:21 you get oxidized LDL particles getting into the inima and the media of a blood 11:27 vessel. uh monocy immune system recruitment foam 11:31 cells cell death apoptosis the creation of a soft plaque 11:37 that will rupture and then you have a heart attack and die like that's the I 11:41 mean like that's the sequence of it and again the number of cardiologists who 11:44 understand this because we are not trained in this as you know right uh is 11:48 very low and most health care professionals in general are not trained 11:52 in that whole pathway you just explained I mean that's kind of like this epiphany 11:56 right as you look at these uh you know small particles and whatnot 12:00 with people. It's another consideration for every integrative care professional 12:04 listening to be like hm maybe we should be looking at mold. So just to clarify 12:08 and summarize what you said which was amazing. We have micotoxins. These are 12:13 toxic chemical compounds. They're created by certain mold fungi and these 12:18 compounds can contaminate the air. They can contaminate they're usually from 12:22 water damaged buildings. not necessarily all the time, but that's the most common 12:26 source. But they're also in food, too. Things like grains, nuts, coffee, dried 12:31 fruit. So, they're high highly toxic even in very small amounts. And it is 12:36 something we need to have to consider in medicine moving forward. Now, I don't 12:40 know if the alopathic is going to do that. So, I think it's up to us, Dr. 12:44 Wolfson. So, um, have you seen many people with mold exposure in your 12:50 practice lately? And I feel it's really kind of on the forefront now. We I 12:56 didn't hear about this 10 years ago. What do you think's happening? Yeah, I 12:59 would agree with you. You know, I didn't hear about it really 10 I think we heard 13:02 about it, but we we didn't realize the gravitas of of the situation yet when 13:07 you test people's urine for mold micotoxins, which I highly recommend, 13:11 uh, everybody showing up with stuff. And yet the the literature is very young. 13:15 So, it's a question of what mold micotoxins are coming from food and 13:19 what's from the environment. I think there's a lot a lot a lot of overlap 13:23 between what we thought was all foodbased it's actually uh indoor 13:28 airspace and I think we have to really test our environment first then 13:33 automatically say oh well it's coming from the dried you fruit or it's coming 13:38 from fermented foods like all the things you and I have been taught for years 13:41 about all the different benefits of fermented foods yet why do a lot of 13:45 people with MCCAST why do a lot of people uh with maybe you know the um uh 13:51 you know SIBO why do they struggle with fermented foods 13:55 and ultimately I think it's still we got to look at the at the building 14:00 structures and you cannot assume that just because your house is brand new. 14:04 I've lived in brand new homes with mold. I've lived in brand because the homes 14:06 are constructed out of wood. They are constructed in the outdoors. The 14:11 building materials may arrive to the job site moldy. Nobody cares. Uh there is of 14:16 course rain, the elements, the snow that goes into this. I mean it's really a 14:20 scary process. And why are most people medical doctors and uh government 14:24 officials and insurance companies can you imagine if we have to remediate 300 14:28 million homes in the United States? Nobody wants to talk about this. Nobody 14:33 Nobody wants to talk about that. Nobody wants to talk about that. So let's not 14:37 talk about it on a on a global level. We can only talk about it to the individual 14:41 on this conversation. To wrap that up, I mean, if you are sick, you have to check 14:46 for mold. And then if you do a I recommend what's called the number eight 14:51 Swiffer test from a company called Envirrobiomics. Um, and and any 14:56 practitioner can carry that on their website when they get into an agreement 14:59 or have, you know, where you can, you know, refer people to the Envir Biomics 15:04 website and stuff like that. Uh, the short of it is it's a Swiffer test. So, 15:07 the person collects dust samples of their home and then they send it into 15:11 the, uh, company. Now, the number eight tests for mold, micotoxins, and the 15:16 bacteria. And I've seen many situations, including one where I lived in where the 15:20 house didn't have any mold. It was bacteria. It was water damaged bacteria. 15:25 And the bacteria secrete these u various 15:30 elements, one of which most people are familiar with called LPS, 15:34 lipopolysaccharides. And the 15:37 lipopolysaccharides from the gram negative cell walls of the bacteria, 15:43 they do the damage to the gut microbiome. They lead to leaky gut, 15:46 intestinal hyper permeability, and all bets are off. Uh and it's uh I'm not 15:52 aware of any you can test for lipopolysaccharides, antibodies to 15:55 lipopolysaccharides, you can test for those things. It's not the only place 15:58 they come from. Uh but it is a major offender that people they just they need 16:03 to check their house first. They overlook it. Yeah, I was introduced to a 16:07 test called the dust test. So, same thing. And lucky for me, I'm not a great 16:12 housekeeper, so I could go test all that dust. And it's it's just basically what 16:18 has settled out of the environment onto your furniture. And you test the most 16:22 livable areas, right? So, your living room and the things that you would 16:25 think. The owner of that company said that there's more mold in newer houses 16:31 now because they're so tightly sealed. There's no ventilation. There's no air 16:36 circulation. In the older houses, you're getting that. You know, you if if you're 16:40 in an older house like I am, you can feel the draft coming down the stairs. 16:44 Like, and no matter the new windows and everything else that we've put in, 16:48 doesn't matter. Somewhere that wind is coming from. But actually, after 16:53 speaking to him, I felt pretty good about it because I was like, "Oh, we 16:55 have ventilation through our house." And he said, "That's why all of these older 16:59 houses, some of them can have mold." He said, "But not all of them do." He said 17:03 in the houses that he's testing, it's the majority of the new houses that have 17:07 the biggest mold. And I'll tell you, that's a hard thing to tell people. I 17:11 will tell my clients over and over again, I think you need to get your 17:14 house tested for mold. And they're like, well, it's a brand new house. And I'm 17:18 like, I know, but that doesn't mean anything. You have the same wood that's 17:22 sitting in warehouses for months, and now they're going to build your house 17:27 and tightly seal it, so there's no ventilation. What do you think's going 17:30 to happen? So that's such a great point that you brought up. What Yeah. Well, 17:36 let me say, you know, it's uh you know, all we can do is offer the people the 17:39 information. What they want to do with it is is up to them and whatever, 17:42 however they want to rationalize it, uh you know, would be up to them whether or 17:46 not they want to test. Now, back to you know, what you said about the uh you 17:50 know, the breathability breathability of the homes. That being said, 3,500 years 17:55 ago when Moses is talking about this, homes were extremely breathable. uh yet 17:59 they re they recognize the ramifications of that. So uh I'm not going to let 18:04 anybody off the hook because they have an older home and it may be more 18:07 breathable. And then you know two things. Number one, if you're sick, you 18:10 have to check for mold. And number two, if you have these abnormal blood 18:14 markers, I think you need to check for mold as well. So if you're like, you 18:17 know, I'm 54 years old. I feel amazing. I don't have any aches and pains or gut 18:22 aches and my blood pressure is good. Like everything is good. And then you 18:26 run the testing on these people and you see inflammation, you see oxidative 18:29 stress. You look at kind of what's smoldering here. You look under the hood 18:34 and you see that there's a problem. Then you're going to be proactive and say, "I 18:39 know you feel good. I know you look good, but your numbers are concerning. 18:45 And what is the cause of the inflammation? What is the cause of the 18:49 exit oxidative stress?" And one of those major factors could be living in a home 18:54 that has water damage. Yeah, absolutely. And I didn't mean I didn't test my 18:59 house. I did. So, still felt good about the breeze. I was like, well, that's 19:03 okay then. You know, so all these years later, this little house, you know, 19:07 still is okay be probably because nobody ever replaced the windows. So, that was 19:12 great. Now that I did, now I'm worried. So, now I'm keeping it less. I mean, 19:18 you're talking about like, you know, you know this, Tracy, that it's so easy to 19:21 tell someone, okay, eat this food, avoid this food, get more sunshine, get more 19:26 sleep, get more, you know, exercise and physical activity, make sure you, you 19:32 know, you pray every day, you know, I mean, you know, focus on good. All those 19:36 things are are good and they're amazing and they're helpful uh and they're 19:41 relatively easy to do, but how do you tell someone to test their home uh 19:48 attempt to remediate their home or move? And then like you mentioned about my 19:53 sister-in-law's house who has mold and bacteria as well, where do you go? And 19:59 how many people are going to be willing to go to the next step? Like you and I 20:02 talked about before we were recording, we've been on a 4month journey just 20:08 living in tents, like living like beduins, uh going from place to place. 20:12 How many people are going to live in tense? And then another thing, Tracy, 20:15 you'll love this as well. How many clients have you seen 20:19 where you're talking to the husband and wife and the wife has all these health 20:26 problems? She's struggling and you're giving her, you know, these these 20:30 solutions and things that you think are going to be helpful and she's struggling 20:35 now. She's sitting next to her husband and he feels fine, right? He feels okay. 20:41 Now, I mean, he may have high blood pressure. He's on blood pressure drugs, 20:44 cholesterol drugs. He's got erectile dysfunction. He pops Viagra all the time 20:48 he feels he needs to. Like he's he's but he's fine. Feels all right. He's sitting 20:53 there, right, Tracy? He's got his arms up, you know, and his arms are crossed 20:56 and folded over and he's looking, you know, you all skeptical and he's like, 21:01 I'm not paying a remed I'm test my house, remediate my house, throw out my 21:05 stuff, change my car cuz the HVAC system there is all, you know, contaminated. Uh 21:11 I'm not living in a tent, you know? I mean, this is what people are up 21:16 against. Now, there are plenty of men who suffer and you know that as well, 21:18 and you've seen them certainly like I have, but the women are this canary in 21:23 the coal mine where uh uh and it's it's just it's such a big massive topic. But 21:30 that being said, we have to continue to address it like we do, you know, right? 21:34 And at least take some steps, you know, test your house. You can make decisions 21:38 later, which are big decisions. We talked, you know, I've had clients 21:42 living in their cars and, you know, they just they can't find any space because 21:47 they've become so sensitive to not only mold now, but everything. Now, 21:51 everything they eat flares them. Anything it touches their skin flares 21:54 them. They've become major mcasts, right? Which is mass cell activation 21:59 syndrome, which for the listeners, those are different types of immune system 22:03 cells that live in connective tissue. So, they're different than your white 22:06 and red blood cells. These are connective s connective tissue immune 22:11 cells and they can become very angry and they're very hard to shut off once you 22:16 turn them on. And I really think we're seeing so much mcast obviously with all 22:21 the toxicity we've poured into our lives in our food injected into ourselves 22:25 voluntarily um and then we add on this mold exposure 22:30 and I just want your thoughts on this theory. Do you think that all of the EMF 22:37 that we are experiencing right now is amplifying any of these mold spores or 22:44 bacterias? Yeah, most certainly. We're not living 22:47 in the same environment as Moses did. We are living in a situation where the EMF 22:52 now is infinite. We are living in a situation now where all these other uh 22:58 building materials, all the offging, all the 23:01 VOCC's, we're living in a time again of bad food, of pesticides, of everything, 23:06 of I mean again just just thousands and thousands of other factors that are 23:11 impacting our health in general. And then how does the mold and the bacteria 23:18 uh behave in that as well? And do they sense more danger and therefore do they 23:25 increase their release of the toxins as well? The mo, you know, because we talk 23:32 about all these other toxins. We could talk about, you know, mercury uh that's 23:35 injected into people. We could talk about lead and paint. We could talk 23:38 about carbon monoxide and radon. We could talk about plastics and phalates 23:42 and parabens and all these other things, right? But these are not living 23:46 entities. Mold is living. bacteria is living and it wants to survive. I'm not 23:53 trying to make it, you know, you know, anthropomorphized like I'm not trying to 23:57 make it into a human like it's got thoughts, but uh for, you know, 24:01 according to the evolutionary version or to the biblical version, the mold was 24:05 here first and then man and woman was introduced into the story. So, it's got 24:13 really good survival skills and uh again, you know, it is it is extremely 24:18 dilarious. But to your point, uh I I think that if people minimize all these 24:22 other things, they can certainly improve, but I think that the mold in 24:27 and of itself and the toxins released by the mold and I mean mold also has VOCC's 24:32 and stuff. I remember, you know, growing up and you went to your grandmother's 24:35 house and you remember like, you know, that, you know, mild dewy smell, the 24:40 musty smell. What do you think? That's exactly what comes to mind. The smell of 24:45 my basement. Yeah. Yeah. Must I mean, what what is what is the musty smell? 24:51 What is it coming from? Grandma wasn't going around with like, you know, a 24:55 certain spray that said like must spray on it. Grandma house spray. That's what 24:59 it was. That's what I thought it was. you know, smelled like saltines, toast, 25:03 and mold. That's basically what our house smelled like. And sometimes dogs, 25:07 but we didn't think about it back then. Tracy, we were down in Costa Rica and we 25:12 were looking at this uh house to rent. Uh, and again, just spectacular 25:17 location, beautiful views, the whole thing. And my wife and I walked into the 25:21 house. My wife lasted about 15 seconds before she uh walked out. But I'm in 25:26 there and I'm talking to the agent. I'm like, "When's the last time someone's 25:30 been in this house?" And he's like, "I don't know. Maybe we we we haven't 25:33 rented it out in a while." You know, it was the, you know, different season. It 25:36 was the rainy season, so probably like no one's been in here for about two two 25:39 and a half months. And I said, "It smells like curry. Like someone has been 25:45 cooking using curry in here." And he's like, "I I get the smell, too, but no 25:51 one's been in here." So, it's the the the mold and the bacteria of the home. 25:56 They release these VOCC's. And in this case, it smelled to me exactly like 26:02 curry. Uh, and I don't know, it's it's just scary 26:07 stuff. And and maybe just let me get this point out there, you know, real 26:11 quick, Tracy, again, where people are like, oh, well, you know, it's the 26:14 cholesterol problem. Abnormal cholesterol. Chole cholesterol 26:18 abnormalities are for many different things but one issue is if you have 26:22 these various toxins of thousands of them. Now it's going to lead to hpatic 26:26 or liver overload hypatic dysfunction and then once you have hypatic 26:31 dysfunction you no longer for example have LDL receptors those catchers mits 26:35 on the liver that pull out old LDL particles. So now these particles keep 26:39 circulating around they become small dense oxidized LDL particles and they 26:44 are avidly and readily taken up by the vascular system through these leaky 26:49 blood vessels. So that's one thing there when we look at you know and and it is 26:54 known it is in the medical literature. It's not a lot of data that shows us 26:59 this because it's not well studied but again how the LDL receptor is impacted 27:05 by these micotoxins. Absolutely. And you know, I always tell 27:10 people anything can cause anything and we need to roll out everything. And you 27:14 know, I work I was telling you before, I work a lot with people that have cancer. 27:18 Uh, and micotoxin testing is one of the tests that we will do there. Hands down, 27:23 we're going to do it because there is direct correlation and studies on 27:28 different types of mold that can elicit a cancer-like response in cells. And I 27:33 was thinking of a book earlier when we were talking about the EMF impact. Have 27:37 you ever read the book um what is it called? It's called the invisible 27:41 rainbow. Um and it was basically the author wrote it about the development of 27:47 electrical technology and it correlates with this emergence of chronic disease 27:52 through history, things like um the Spanish flu and the the onset of the 27:59 radio. And so he correlates all this timeline with these electromagnetic 28:05 frequencies leading up to and now it's it's it's a little bit older so he's 28:09 probably not into the 5G but he is saying we've never studied anything 28:14 really over about 25 megahertz uh which is about a microwave maybe a little bit 28:19 more with some medical equipment now with MRIs and things like that but you 28:24 know what what is 5G what is the level what is the impact I mean we know from 28:30 that book and from other studies that just a 25 megahertz EMF frequency will 28:37 increase the excitatory response of different funguses like candida and 28:42 bacterias. I mean just imagine what it's doing now to all of the mold that's 28:48 within the house. So we have to consider it right because just because we can't 28:51 see it doesn't make it a real thing. It's like gravity. I'm stuck to the 28:54 earth for a reason and I can't see gravity but I know that it's doing its 28:58 job for me. So, I believe in it. Well, let me um you you mentioned The 29:04 Invisible Rainbow, and that is a phenomenal book for anyone who wants to 29:08 do a deep dive into the history of man-made 29:15 electromagnetic fields, man-made 29:20 energy, and its health impact on not only humans, but also animal species. 29:27 because he gets a lot of that from the study of animals and birds. Um, and 29:31 ultimately really just as simplistic of what does it mean to be exposed 29:37 to all the Wi-Fi, all the satellites, all the cell phones, all the 29:43 technologies, television waves, radio waves, power lines. Like what does all 29:48 that mean to our electrical being? We are all electrical. that is not woo woo 29:55 or you know anything like that. It is quite obvious when we check the 30:00 electrical system of the heart through an 30:02 EKG we're seeing the electricity of the heart EEG of the brain EMG of the 30:08 neuromuscular interface. So it is it is very easy to understand that there may 30:14 be a potential problem between man-made electromagnetic fields and the human 30:21 physiology and therefore cause of disease. And Fenberg lays it out very 30:27 eloquently that every time that there is a 30:31 virus or there is mass sickness that there is a release of some new 30:37 technology whether it is power lines in the 30:41 1870s or radar or radio waves, television 30:46 communications, uh and then kind of going through the the latest up into 5G 30:52 and where Fenberg right now is really rallying against is the electrification 30:57 of the skies where every moment of every day they are launching satellites up 31:03 into the sky and it may allow for you and I to have these conversations where 31:07 you're at home and I'm in the middle of nowhere central Texas being able to 31:11 communicate like we're standing right next to each other and there's different 31:14 value uh in that but please understand the health ramifications of that and now 31:20 you know for people who don't understand this I'm going to go full conspirator 31:24 territorial here because there are people who believe there are no such 31:28 things as viruses, that there was no such thing as 31:33 the COVID virus, that the COVID virus that they called it was the release of 31:40 5G and or other electromagnetic technologies that we were not made aware 31:46 of that led to this global sickness, if you will. 31:53 And even again, I mean, like how much of that really is propaganda versus not. 31:58 The point being is that we need to continue to question everything and not 32:03 believe necessarily what we're hearing from CNN or Fox, not believe necessarily 32:08 what we're hearing from our medical doctor, 32:10 unfortunately. And ultimately, he lays out the case that you when when you 32:15 release this new technology, it leads to a sickness. Uh and then you get into the 32:20 evidence of what really is the proof of virus? Uh what is a virus? What is what 32:25 is this external thing versus this material that is made by by the human 32:31 called exosomes where we release these uh uh DNA and RNA molecules. We we 32:37 manufacture these and we release them on our own. And then what leads two people 32:42 to get sick into a house? Like you know the story, right? Well, I came down with 32:45 the flu and then my, you know, uh, you know, uh, you know, spouse had the flu. 32:51 Well, does that mean I passed some virus onto that person or did I release a uh, 32:59 these exosomes that cause changes in the 33:03 symptomatology and physiology of my spouse? There is data that shows that if 33:09 you put uh um uh bacteria in water, okay, and you put a a 33:18 impermeable barrier in between, yet you add toxins into one side, the other side 33:25 becomes sick. But there's nothing that's passed in between. The only thing that's 33:30 passed in between is energy, is infrared. 33:36 uh and other frequencies emitted by one sick 33:42 entity impacting another and there is literature on that as well and it's um 33:50 it's very interesting uh you know to consider and 33:54 um yeah what else can I tell you that's that's the that's the story well I think 34:01 you know if we don't believe that everybody listening this podcast right 34:05 now probably has somebody when they get around them, they're just like, "Who?" 34:09 Right? I mean, you can you can tell right off the bat walking into a party, 34:14 you can feel the vibe in there. Bad vibes. What are the vibes? Right? What 34:18 are the vibes? And if you think about us as I mean, the most intelligent being 34:24 ever created by God in the image of God, wouldn't we have that detectability? 34:29 Wouldn't we have that kind of discernment? No, I mean discernment, 34:34 this the sense, this sixth sense, seventh sense to be able to to to get 34:40 this kind of energy. This may be I guess maybe in some ways you evil energies uh 34:46 satanic energies. Not to say that every time we see someone that we don't vibe 34:49 with. Like, oh, you have the flu. We know what you're practicing. No, we're 34:53 just kidding. Yeah. Well, you know, I mean, it's uh you know, but it's just 34:57 why do people, you know, come down with sickness? And invariably, I think a lot 35:01 of people get sick when they get into a moldy environment, a bacterial 35:05 environment because yeah, what happens is is that and they may think that it's 35:10 the flu. They may think that it's a virus, but it never was. You were 35:13 exposed to some toxin and it may be EMF. It may have been radon. It may have been 35:18 carbon monoxide. It may have been bacteria. You know, again, uh you know, 35:23 flying on a plane, for example, and and what kind of chemicals are they putting 35:26 inside the plane? Oh, I got to my destination and for like the first 36 35:30 hours I felt like I had the flu. Somebody on the plane gave me something. 35:34 No, I mean they didn't give you any any virus. Uh so it's it's very interesting 35:40 and it's something that again in a world of of of all possibilities to understand 35:46 these are things you got to look at and that's why again the these these shots 35:50 and the question is if if the if the shots are effective in certain scenarios 35:54 if for example the covid shot decreased the morbidity and mortality of people 35:59 getting uh covid or dying from covid morbidity and mortality from covid how 36:05 was it effective Like I mean again if what was it doing and is it was it 36:10 immunosuppressant you know was it something like again where it just shut 36:13 down the person's immune system because it is not the the toxin that leads us to 36:21 have the symptom. It's our body's response to the toxin that leads us to 36:27 have the symptoms. If we have snot pouring down our nose it's not snot full 36:31 of virus. It's all of our immune cells that's there. So, it is all of this 36:38 response. And if you give someone a steroid, they're not going to have that 36:41 response. If you shut down their immune system with these toxins, they're not 36:45 going to have the response. If you shut down the immune system with a unproven 36:52 injection, then they may not mount a response. And you may say, well, it's a 36:56 good thing because I didn't want to die of COVID. I will say that it was not a 37:00 good thing. Certainly not in the long term. And I think as time goes on, 37:05 doctors who taught people otherwise are really being vindicated. Yeah. And 37:11 suppressing the immune system in any way, the long-term effect of that is not 37:15 good. That's like suppressing appetite for a very long time. You might lose 37:19 weight in the interim, but you're going to die of starvation eventually. So, 37:22 it's the same concept. But I love this whole conversation. As we wrap it up, 37:28 um, I just wanted to ask a few more questions. When it comes to mold and 37:31 micotoxins, what are some symptoms that you could give our listeners to look 37:35 for? And I know you're kind of like, hey, if you're sick, get tested. I agree 37:39 with that, but not everybody's going to do it. How about some specifics? What 37:43 are we looking for for mold exposure so that people get the buy in? Um, you 37:49 know, you're right. There are so many things and it really can impact 37:52 everything as you know. Uh, brain fog would be one. cognitive, you know, 37:56 disorders, brain fog, uh, memory issues, that's a big one. Skin issues as well, 38:01 eczema, rashes, dermatitis, big one. Gastrointestinal issues. We talked about 38:06 how it impacts the gut microbiome, and boom, there you go. Nausea, vomiting, 38:10 diarrhea, constipation, abdominal pain, malabsorptions, all those kind of 38:15 things. Uh, children, it's extremely important to check your home if you have 38:19 children in the house, if you have pets in the house, because they're all 38:22 impacted. Uh so so again those are all major factors from a cardiovascular 38:26 standpoint. Yeah. Right. All of it uh is is critical. We always have to continue 38:31 on the search, peel back the onion if you will, you know, looking for 38:34 causation of why people get sick. But you can imagine that a lot of people 38:38 would listen to these conversations, right Tracy? You, myself, all all the 38:42 other practitioners who are listening and we kind of give out all this 38:46 information. You got to eat this food, avoid this food. You got to live this 38:49 way, avoid living this way, think this way. and avoid this. And when people 38:54 hear that, they're like, I'm just going to go to my cardiologist over here. And 38:56 all he recommended was a statin drug. So, I'm just going to go down that 39:00 approach. I'm not going to pay you all this money. I'm not going to switch to 39:03 all organic. I'm not going to move my house. I'm not going to get air 39:06 purifiers. I'm not going to do these tests and take all these supplements. 39:09 I'm just going to do that. The problem is is the people who follow the medical 39:14 doctor's advice are going to die. They're going to die. And when they 39:19 follow our plan, that is the strategy to live. That's the 100-year heart plan. 39:24 That's the eternal heart plan. That's the longevity plan. The life expectancy 39:29 of the average American is 77 years of age. Little less for the men, a little 39:36 more for the women. 77. That is horrific. And if you want to be in the 39:41 mainstream medical model, that's what you can expect. the age of 77, the last 39:45 10 to 15 years of your life will be sick in and out of doctor's visits on 39:49 pharmaceuticals. If you embrace the longevity strategy, the wellness 39:53 strategy, that is the that is the only way. And it is more difficult than 39:59 taking the statin drug. I would agree with that. Uh but it's that plan's not 40:05 going to work. Our plan does. Yeah. Amen. And the Bible does say we can live 40:10 120 years. So, I'm going for it. you know, I want to I want to get there. You 40:14 know, my grandmother was 99 when she passed away and had only been on 40:18 pharmaceuticals the last 2 years of her life. And I think that is what brought 40:22 her to her end. She had never eaten processed foods. She always cooked uh 40:28 when she started to get and this is nothing against meals on wheels. I know 40:31 they service a lot of people, but that's what she started to receive and her 40:35 health declined. the very first thing she had was stomach issues and then they 40:38 put her on a PPI and then it led to another one then blood pressure and it 40:41 was like within two years she was on like eight medications and she passed 40:45 away. So you know Dr. Sherry Tenpenney had said one time, symptom-free in the 40:50 presence of pharmaceuticals is not health, it's just repression. And that 40:55 has always stuck with me. And I think what you are saying and what I'm hearing 40:59 today is invest in your health because eventually it will become an expense. 41:04 And we could get into the insurance thing. We're not even going to talk 41:07 about that today, but you know, put the money aside for your health budget. It's 41:11 very it's it's no different than your groceries. You have to invest in your 41:15 health and actually your grocery list is part of your health budget hands down. 41:20 Well, let me let me expand on what you know what Sherry said and kind of give 41:23 you my version of that. And I love Sher Tony, you know, by the way. And when I 41:26 was in trouble in 2015 when I was on CNN talking about the measles vaccine 41:31 propaganda and stuff like that and the violation of our human rights, uh Sher 41:35 was one of the first people to reach out to me uh and and offer support because 41:39 she's been in the battle for a long time. Um but you know my intention you 41:44 know regarding what you said about you know the pill for every ill. If you have 41:48 high blood pressure and you take a pharmaceutical for the blood pressure 41:53 and now your blood pressure is normal you are at marketkedly higher risk for 41:59 heart attack, stroke and dying compared to the person with normal blood pressure 42:04 not on pharmaceuticals. That applies to the diabetes world and that applies in 42:10 in other places as well where you're symptom free with rheumatoid arthritis 42:14 because you take five different pharmaceuticals to shut down your immune 42:17 system. Uh in the case of in the specific case of high blood pressure 42:22 drugs, I will tell anybody and everybody if you're on a blood pressure drug or 42:26 drugs, you better be on a plan to get off of those or you are in trouble. And 42:32 the literature supports that. 2019 Journal of Hypertension sponsored by the 42:36 American Heart Association. They published it. The people at the highest 42:40 risk were people with they're hypertensive on 42:44 pharmaceuticals and controlled, they were actually at higher risk of heart 42:48 attack, stroke, and dying. Then the people with high blood pressure on 42:52 pharmaceuticals, but the blood pressure was still high. So the people with 42:56 controlled blood pressure on pharma were at the highest risk. Uh and again, 43:00 statin drugs are notorious. they can beat down your lipid numbers and then 43:03 you're going to die. Uh, on and on and on. There's so many examples. And let 43:07 me, if I may, Tracy, say one more thing. I want to get this out there. And I love 43:10 to do this with patients as well. You close your eyes and I want you to say, 43:16 "My genetics are perfect. I am built in the image of God. 43:23 And my genes and my DNA and my genetics are perfect. I can run and jump and see 43:28 and feel. And as a human, we can make babies. We can do some pretty pretty 43:34 spectacular things. I do not have a genetic problem. I have an epigenetic 43:39 problem. All of the environmental toxins, all of the unhealthy lifestyle 43:44 practices overlay on our genetics and then we get sick. One family may develop 43:49 heart disease, one family may develop cancer, one family may develop brain 43:53 disease, one family may develop all of those. But we're not going to blame it 43:56 our genetics. We can save family history because we eat, live, and think like our 44:00 family members did. Therefore, we suffered from the same illnesses. But do 44:04 not blame your genetics. Yep. That's awesome. I always tell my clients, if 44:10 genetics is true, then Eve was one sick chick, you know, and I don't think she 44:15 was. So, well said. Well said. you know, how we've been so indoctrinated to 44:21 believe and also your other point about we need some sort of component to create 44:27 infection in the body where our body can become infected due to necrotic tissue 44:33 because it's dying and it's wasting. And so it's just a mindset shift that we all 44:37 have to get used to that everything matters when we're talking about eat 44:41 right, think right, move right, poop right, pray right, all of those things, 44:45 they matter. Um lifestyle matters. So, thank you so much for sharing everything 44:49 with us. I know we we talked about mold. We talked about so much. So, I'd love to 44:53 have you back sometime. Uh wishing you well with your family as you, you know, 44:58 go back to the roots in the tent. Um I think it sounds wonderful. Um I hope you 45:02 enjoy it. And do you want to leave our audience with any parting words? Uh no, 45:07 most certainly. I think that uh you know, listen, heart disease can be 45:11 prevented. Uh and the best way is not going to be with pharmaceuticals. So you 45:16 know again uh work with your healthcare you know practitioner your natural 45:19 practitioner. I spent 16 years on the wrong side. Uh God put me there. I had 45:24 experiences there that made me the person I am today. my father's uh death 45:28 and demise from this illness uh was was done and it was pre-meditated and 45:34 planned by God in order to create me uh and and my ability to deliver the kind 45:40 of message that I need to continue to deliver uh to get the truth out there. 45:44 And maybe another shot on that is that there's a lot of people who are against 45:49 our message, right? against the things that we say and this just inspires us 45:54 more and more to continue to fight um and maybe to expand on that thought a 45:58 little bit right uh you know throughout the history of the world a lot of people 46:01 have died uh defending uh their religion people have died defending their country 46:06 and their political values and I'm not really saying I'm ready to check out 46:10 from this life into the eternal life but uh anytime soon but that being said now 46:15 is the time we got to take a stand because if we don't take a stand no 46:18 one's going to take a stand in the future future for us. So, the time is 46:21 now. That's right. This is the hill we die on, right? So, well, thank you 46:26 again, Dr. Wolfson. Such a pleasure always. And everybody, please give him a 46:30 follow. He has a group called The Natural Health Doctor. Uh you can also 46:34 just follow him under Dr. Jack Wolfson, uh Facebook, Instagram, on all the 46:40 socials. Go check him out. His page is wonderful. And if you found this podcast 46:45 helpful, please share it with somebody else. Don't forget to subscribe. and 46:48 thanks for joining us today. And may God bless you.
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