Full Transcript Podcast Introduction and Guest Welcome 0:02 Hey everybody, welcome to the Eat Pray [music] Faith podcast with Dr. Tracy. 0:06 That's me. I'm going to be your host today as always. And I'm super excited 0:09 to bring in a great friend, colleague, and professional in the industry 0:15 primarily in hormones, women's health, and even men's health. Um, you know, 0:21 Sarah Hufflinin is here. She is a boardcertified naturopathic practitioner 0:27 as well as a holistic hormone practitioner. So that's not always a 0:32 combination we see. Uh so very refreshing. She owns the practice 0:36 Healthy Revolution. She's based out of New York. And so we're just so glad to 0:40 have her here today. We're going to be talking about the mismanagement of 0:44 women's health through failed hormone education, which is a little bit of a 0:49 twist. We're really talking about the fact that alipathic and even integrative 0:56 and natural practitioners are not educated to understand the hormones, 1:02 hormone patterns, hormones through the decades and also labs and interpretation 1:06 of those labs. And I have to say I am so excited that Sarah knows all of this. So 1:12 Sarah, welcome to the podcast. Thanks for coming in. 1:15 >> Thank you Dr. Tracy. I'm glad to be here. 1:17 >> Yeah. Well, exciting news, guys, and we're going to announce it later that 1:21 Sarah has actually created our, I would say, premier hormone course uh on the 1:28 Academy of Abiding Wellness. I'll make those show notes available, but I'm not 1:32 going to give you the discount until you listen to the whole podcast. Um, and you 1:37 have to hear what Sarah has to say because we had a little chat right 1:41 before the podcast talking about women's health and education. And a lot of 1:45 people like to segregate it out. Sarah, they like to say like the alipathic, you 1:49 know, does X and we over here on the natural and integrative side do Y. But I 1:54 found truly and I'm going to let you kind of express on this. You know, it's 1:59 on both sides. There's not enough education on hormones and understanding 2:02 hormones. >> So, can just just lead lead from there? 2:06 >> Well, I honestly when I started my journey, I exactly fell into the same 2:11 thing. You know, when I was younger, my mom passed away at 22. when I was 22. 2:17 So, it was a very emotionally challenging time for me. And looking 2:22 back now, I realize that she was going through menopausal shifts. So, her 2:29 estrogen dropped and I'm sure amongst other things that led to a lot of 2:35 imbalance in the body circling around hormones. But the conversation was not 2:40 there. It wasn't there then and it really isn't there now. And you know as 2:46 I maneuvered through the health world and looking for answers and looking
Hormone Education Gaps in Womenu2019s Health 2:50 through things I would say more I wanted a more functional approach. Um that is 2:55 really what has driven me to where I am today because I do feel there is a big 3:00 disconnect between teaching and empowering women about their own bodies 3:04 and the answers aren't really there. So as a practitioner going back I had to go 3:08 back and learn specific holistic hormones because I felt I didn't get 3:14 that information either as a practitioner. So I really struggled. So 3:19 that is one of the reasons number one I'm a huge advocate for it and I have 3:23 really pursued that path um to empower women to really know about their 3:28 hormones because I do feel that there is a lack of information. I I agree 100% 3:33 and on both sides like and I don't mean any disrespect to the alipathic or the 3:37 integrative naturopathic world but it's just not taught and there's no resources 3:43 for it right you I can't uh I mean here's some of the examples that I'll 3:48 give and this is probably real life where people will be like yeah I I feel 3:51 that right as a teenager if you have an irregular messes you go to the OBGYn 3:58 your gynecologist uh and there you are pro maybe have 4:02 never had any type of intimacy of any kind and all of a sudden you're 4:07 subjected to a very intimate appointment >> and then you are given birth control if 4:14 you have irregular periods and that's that's the that's the health care that 4:18 they put on young girls in a developmental time. 4:24 >> They're not running any blood work. They're not talking to them about 4:28 nutrition, hydration, movement, sleep elimination, most They're not talking to 4:31 them about how to track their periods and what each phase means and what to 4:36 expect. And you know why they don't do that, Sarah? Cuz they don't know. 4:40 >> They don't know. >> They do not know. And then you come over 4:44 here because maybe the mom is like, "No, I don't want to manipulate my developing 4:49 child's hormones at 14, 13. I'm going to go over here on the natural side and see 4:55 what I can find." And you know what happens then? They say, "I don't do 4:59 hormones." >> We don't know either. Right. 5:01 >> Right. So, I love that you put together this course. And I guess I want to know 5:08 first, let's just start at the developmental side of hormones and 5:12 teenagers. >> Yep. 5:14 >> Now, why do you think that the education is not there within the practitioners 5:20 that help them? I honestly think it's a very complex system, but I also feel the 5:26 system isn't taught necessarily correctly. I'm going to say 5:30 only because again, I think when we talk about hormones and how I've heard women 5:35 talk about hormones is they come to me and say or just in right conversation, 5:41 you'll hear women talking, oh, I think my hormones are out. Well, it's not a 5:46 whole other system in the body, right? And we have never really been taught 5:50 what is it, what are they? And I really don't think a whole lot of people know 5:54 what they really are. So that's a big piece that is missing completely. 6:00 >> Well, let's pause there because what are they? Let's just give a high level for 6:05 the people that are listening. What are >> what they really are is their 6:09 messengers. They are messengers in the body. and how 6:13 they land correctly depends on your foundational 6:18 health. And there we have to go back way to the beginning. And I think that's the 6:24 piece that people don't understand how to go and how to maneuver through. 6:29 And that is probably why when people embrace things like BHRT or HRT that 6:34 it's not always effective or they're not getting the desired results because the 6:38 same me message is being construed just louder, right? So, it's like, hey, my 6:44 estrogen is trying to tell my body to do something and I may not have enough 6:48 estrogen, but the message might also be wrong because I'm not eating right and 6:52 sleeping right and moving right, my metabolic function is low and all of the 6:56 other things. So, we add some hormone replacement therapy and now the message 7:01 is just getting screamed to the cell although it might not be the right 7:04 message. Is that correct? you're saying >> that is 100% correct and I touch upon 7:08 this in the course um because there is nothing wrong with women pulling in BHRT 7:14 sometimes it is truly needed but the fact if you truly have foundational 7:18 health in place prior to you won't need as much 7:22 >> or it's it's going to be much easier for the person to maneuver through to get a 7:26 balanced state because your hormones aren't landing loud in the body. 7:31 >> Yeah. the the great I mean darn it, it always comes back to what we have at the 7:35 end of our fork, doesn't it? Like >> Oh, it does. [laughter] 7:39 >> Lifestyle. >> It does. It does. And honestly, I feel 7:42 that I have a great opportunity to talk to a lot of my clients about that. Um 7:47 because my husband and I have chosen the path to be organic dairy farmers. And 7:52 that is not you don't find that a lot, but we had chose truly to do this 7:57 probably almost 20 years ago when people truly looked at us crosseyed. But we 8:02 decided to be true stewards of the land and of animals that we raise because 8:08 ultimately what is on the end of your fork does matter and it matters on how 8:12 it was raised and the soil that it was raised in, 8:16 >> right? And the environment it's raised in 8:19 >> 100%. >> Agricultural, you know, raised food of 8:23 any kind is going to have a little bit of trauma associated especially when 8:28 they're going to slaughter. And sometimes the the way they are 8:32 raised isn't always and that impacts the quality of the food. You know the think 8:39 about if you were in a stressful environment all the time and scared how 8:43 your body would respond and what the chemicals would be inside of your body 8:47 being naturally sick. It matters in the food too. 8:49 >> It matters and it matters for people to start paying attention to that piece. 8:53 And I and I know that I talk to a lot of women and they come to me and say, 8:57 "Well, I do have foundational health in place. I drink water. I only eat out two
Foundational Health and Hormone Messaging 9:01 days a week. I take multivitamins. Super. That is that is an amazing start 9:06 and I'm that is great. But then I challenge them to take a step back and 9:11 go, what kind of water are you drinking? What kind of supplements are you taking? 9:15 Did you get them off the CVS shelf? Are they synthetic? Right? Like what are you 9:20 eating when you eat out? Have you ever thought about what where that food truly 9:24 does come from? >> Yes. you know, so it's taking it the 9:28 next step so they can truly understand what I'm talking about when I say 9:33 foundational health and why that matters for your overall balance and certainly 9:37 how hormones land in the body. >> Yeah. Very interesting. So let's I think 9:42 hormones for teenagers, birth control was the answer that was usually and you 9:46 know I mean I was a victim of it. >> I was a victim of it, right? I was on 9:50 all kinds of birth control all the way up into my late 20s. 9:54 >> Yeah. And I was diagnosed with PCOS. >> Ah, 9:58 >> so I was that same teenager. I had irregular cycles. I didn't know. I 10:03 thought something awful was wrong with me. I mean, you know, I went to the 10:07 doctor. They're like, "Oh, you had PCOS." Again, I was young and I had no 10:11 idea what that meant. And they didn't explain it to me. You know, they 10:15 suddenly wanted to put me on metformin. And I was scared that I was never going 10:19 to have kids. I was scared of all of these things. No one explained it to me. 10:23 So, you know, maneuvering myself through this, I realized truly what it was. And 10:29 again, how to balance myself in order to get myself out of that state and I did 10:35 it. Um, but again, that is also something right that young teenage girls 10:41 especially are, well, you have PCOS or you had this or you you know, and 10:44 quickly it is the whole answer all the time is birth control. All the time. 10:49 >> All the time. >> All the time. you know, we don't even 10:52 know what they're getting. I mean, there's there's rings, there's, you 10:55 know, IUDs, you know, there's ovulation suppressants, there's there's all 11:01 different kinds. And so, >> uh, you really need to understand what 11:05 you're putting in your body. >> But then we jump all the way over here 11:08 to pmenopause and menopause. But what about the middle? Doesn't that matter? 11:12 We just don't care. We just don't care. And that's why some some women come to 11:16 me and they're like, "Okay, I am in balance. I've had my kids. I'm they're 11:20 probably 40, right? They're kind of in the prime of their life, I would say. 11:24 And they're ready to feel really kind of kick-ass amazing, and they don't. 11:28 >> And they're saying to me, I went to the doctor and the doctor's like, "Eh, 11:31 you're probably in parameopause >> or you're depressed, right?" 11:35 >> And they dismissed and said, "Go to the psychologist." And she's like, "I'm not 11:39 crazy." So, 11:42 >> we can feel like it sometimes. >> We can feel like it. Um especially if 11:46 you do have teenage kids at home. But the truth of it is we do get ignored at 11:50 this at this piece at this time >> right unless you have something medical 11:55 which we are seeing more infertility >> uh a lot of it and you know I'd like to 12:01 to touch on your thoughts there as well but that middle gap you know it's like 12:06 the silent struggle >> it is 12:09 >> so there and I just want to address hormone imbalance as symptomology real 12:14 quick so people realize what it is. >> Yes. First of all, the inability to 12:19 conceive or the struggle to conceive is a hormone issue. It's not that you are 12:25 broken or infertile or can't have babies. There is an issue underneath 12:31 where the body utilizes different hormones, progesterrogen, estrogen, all 12:35 these things to balance the normal cycle of the diff phases of hormones, which 12:42 probably nobody even understands what the phases are. Maybe you can help us 12:45 there. And then to have the egg implant into the uterus is another thing. And 12:52 then to be able to sustain that, that's all hormones. Then when you have baby 12:57 and let's say you get postpartum depression, 13:00 >> they put them on psychiatric medications. Tell me if I'm crazy 13:04 because I think it's a hormone issue. It's a hormone issue. It is. And that's 13:08 the piece that again, we have post, we have pre, we right, we have all of these 13:12 phases that the body is going to require different things and it's going to need 13:17 to be supported through all of those phases with certain pieces of nutrients 13:22 that you're sometimes your body's going to use more of, sometimes not going to 13:26 have enough of. Like there's lots of phases as our body works through. And 13:30 honestly, it's sometimes it's the smallest ingredient that we are lacking. 13:36 And I honestly see a lot in women. It's zinc. It's boron. 13:41 >> Yeah. >> It's a lot of these trace minerals. And 13:44 I'm gonna go back to the fact of our soils depleted. Our food's depleted. And 13:49 we do not have a lot of the minerals we need to make hormones land correctly. 13:54 Hence the infertility issue a lot of people are seeing. 13:58 >> Yeah. I'm not even going to get into men today because maybe we can Sarah back to 14:02 talk about the men later. But it takes two to tang 14:07 >> and men not having optimal hormone path which nobody looks at men unless they're 14:11 looking at testosterone and that's really it. And they look at that in 14:15 conjunction with PSA. I mean even men are mistreated in hormones but we're not 14:19 even it's not your day guys. It's not your day but hang tight Sarah back for 14:23 your day today. >> It is true. It is true. And in the 14:26 course I do touch on men again you know there is a section of that because they 14:31 can't be ignored because when we do talk about fertility it is also too that do 14:37 need to tango and it is a big piece of it because again they're going to they 14:42 eat the same things that women eat and they are also depleted when it comes to 14:46 their own hormone state and what they're encountering as even an environmental 14:51 impact. >> Yeah, absolutely. And you know, again, 14:57 we are talking today high level. She gets in very deep with the course and 15:02 all of the modules. So again, that's going to be in your show notes. You can 15:06 find that link there to go sign up. It's an excellent course. Let's get into 15:11 um pmenopause and menopause. >> Uh and and give me kind of your insight 15:16 on what's happening there. So what I see the most common is I'm 15:22 going to tell you the symptoms that people usually come to me and why are 15:25 they're coming because this is kind of my my era right now. These are the women 15:30 that I get. So they are definitely within the mid-40 range to 47. Um and 15:36 they are feeling the uh cortisol belly, right? The mid the spare tire we like to 15:41 call it. Um, a lot of times they're in the foggy brain state. Um, weight that 15:47 they just don't understand. They intake, their calorie intake is the same. Why in 15:52 the world am I not losing weight? Those are a lot of the symptoms that I hear 15:56 the cry of. And that is that parameopause state. Um, and again, I'm 16:01 going to touch just a little bit on cortisol because this is what we are 16:05 bumping up against. It is that that stress. It's a lot of um I'm going to 16:10 say it is a lot of stress emotion. It's a lot of emotion that women don't really 16:15 know number one how to talk about. They feel embarrassed to talk about it. Um 16:19 but it is a big driver in keeping their stress and their body in a constant
Teen Hormones, PCOS, and Birth Control 16:24 state of panic and they don't even understand that it's happening. Um that 16:29 their body seems to be on all the time and that message is landing incorrectly. 16:34 Mhm. >> So, it's us literally going back and 16:38 rewiring and resetting that foundation of what it needs to be. 16:42 >> Yeah. So, even if they would receive BHRT, 16:47 any type of thing like that to replace, they still have their cortisol issue. 16:51 >> Correct. >> And so, just give us a high level. 16:53 What's cortisol just for our listeners because we have a whole different genre 16:57 that listen. >> So, when I talk cortisol, very simply, 17:01 cortisol is that stress response hormone. So, I kind of put it in 17:06 layman's terms, like if you were to, you know, be out in the wild, we'll say, and 17:12 you know, you got chased by a tiger, cortisol is what's going to save your 17:16 life. It's going to pump all that glucose to all those muscles so you 17:20 could run like the wind to get away. But in a healthy state, the body relaxes and 17:25 everything goes back to how it should be. The problem is now women are on all 17:31 the time and that cortisol stays heightened like you are running 17:35 continuously and it never comes down. So it creates that that high level cortisol 17:41 where your insulin is raised, your glucose is is imbalanced and you start 17:46 to create the weight typically around the midsection. Uh, and you know, I I 17:52 touch a little bit about in this in the course only because I have recently seen 17:56 this. I've recently seen this on like the Facebook feeds and they're talking 18:00 about cortisol detoxing and or your cortisol face. Get rid of 18:05 the puffiness. Like they're they're trying to sell you I think it's like a 18:09 drink or a I don't even know what it is. But 18:12 >> my my encourage is women need to understand it's not something you purge 18:18 from. It's not something you detox from. It is in your body for a god-given 18:23 reason. And it's not something to be just stripped away. We have to 18:27 understand what it is and what it's doing, 18:30 >> right? And that starts with understanding your own triggers, 18:35 >> right? Because cortisol is a result of stress. What makes you stressed out, 18:38 Sarah? May not even bother >> 100%. But I do think we share the same 18:44 stress with teenagers and throwing clean clothes on the floor. 18:49 >> My cortisol is at like a thousand thousand just yes. So I 18:54 >> salt belly is my son's fault. I want everyone to know that. 18:57 >> That's [laughter] right. Me too. >> See still blame those kids. That's 19:03 >> and that's what women share. And again it's I encourage women to talk about it 19:07 because it is nothing to be embarrassed about. We all bump up against it. We all 19:12 experience it. So, as a group to really be educated, empowered to come back and 19:17 understand what it truly is. And you you have the power to rebalance it. You can 19:22 do it. >> You can do it on your own. You know, 19:24 really to take the responsibility piece of your own health. You can do it. 19:29 >> Yeah. And I love because earlier you said, you know, the messaging is landing 19:34 wrong. >> Correct. 19:35 >> So, and this is part of that, right? So, can you just extend a little bit on 19:39 that? Like what messaging is landing wrong? 19:41 >> So, what ends up happening is when you're in a heightened state, I'm going 19:44 to I'm going to kind of put it like a symphony, right? Because the body is a 19:48 little bit like that. When you're in a really heightened state, I want you to 19:51 think of, you know, the the orchestra would be super super loud. There's a lot 19:56 of loud music in the body when cortisol is heightened. So when all those other 20:01 hormone messages that need to go into the body like where is estrogen going to 20:06 land, where is progesterone landing, where is insulin, all of these things 20:10 that play a piece, they they can't find their way because the music's too loud 20:16 because cortisol is just pumping the jam, right? So those things aren't going 20:21 to land correctly because the body is too it's too loud. 20:26 >> Yeah. So to we really have to take a step back and learn how do we have to 20:30 calm that down rebalance. Maybe we need to put certain nutrients in. Maybe you 20:37 know we need to rebalance that in some way so that message can the body can 20:41 calm down >> and that that message can actually make 20:44 it to where it needs to go. >> Yeah. So it also comes down to not only 20:49 what you're eating and how you're living but what you're thinking and behaviors 20:54 and the responses to that. Yeah, I look at cortisol like when I try to park and 20:58 the music's too loud and I can't see. So, I have to turn music down so I can 21:02 park. I mean, it's really important. So, my son's always, "Why do you turn the 21:06 music down when you park?" I'm like, "So I can see better, 21:09 >> right? [laughter] >> I do the same thing." And they ask me 21:12 why I'm doing that. I'm like, "You just need to you just need to be quiet for a 21:15 minute." [laughter] >> Right? I'm concentrating. I need to be 21:18 able to see better. So, I have to turn this music down. Just pay attention to 21:21 my logic. >> [laughter] 21:24 >> my son. Okay, mom. Yeah. So, uh, that's so so fascinating. Well, we've been 21:29 talking a lot about hormones. Maybe people that are listening don't even 21:32 understand what female hormones are. So, let's Can you give me a list of the 21:36 hormones that you like to test? >> So, I am a big um proponent of the 21:44 mirror. Honestly, I I pull it in. I use it. I encourage my clients to pull it in 21:50 because it it can tell you real day hormones. So, what I test in that is 21:57 you'll get your estrogen, you get progesterone, a lot of times you get LH, 22:01 you'll get FSH. Um, but really what people think about when you say 22:06 hormones, obviously it's the basics, right? And that's really where I start 22:10 with the hormone course is let's just understand what we're talking about, 22:15 what they are, how they land, because we know, we hear about it all the time. 22:19 Estrogen, progesterone, testosterone. We all have them. Yes, they're all 22:23 different levels, but yes, men have them, too. So, you know, it's one of 22:27 those things that I encourage you to use the mirror and my clients to use it to 22:32 get a baseline of what your hormones are, you know, so it charts them daily. 22:38 The app is on your phone. It's in your home. It's not, you know, invasive. Um, 22:44 but you can get a real life, you know, look at what your hormones really are on 22:49 a daily basis and then see what they are over a month and track along with 22:54 symptoms you might see. So, I think it's a very empowering tool that a lot of 22:58 people can can pull in and use. >> Yeah. And the mirror, just for people 23:02 that are listening, it's a pod and you have strips that you put into your urine 23:07 daily and you insert those strips into the pod and it gives you a calculation 23:11 daily of your hormones. Y >> I like to use it because for women that 23:15 are in menopause or pmenopause uh and I want to clarify the phases and have you 23:19 do that but you know different phases of their cycle their hormones fluctuate. In 23:25 the beginning their estrogen can be very low but right before their menstrual 23:30 cycle if they're still getting it or even if they're not it can shoot up 23:33 really high. So let's say they're on the same estrogen patch all month. 23:38 >> Correct. >> Week day one through seven they're 23:40 feeling great. They're like, "Oh, this is the best thing I've ever done is this 23:44 replacement therapy." Week two, they're they're okay. They're like, "You know 23:48 what? I'm all right. My foggy brains." And then week three, they're like just 23:52 they're they're crazy and they can't think and they have no energy and their 23:55 body hurts. And then all of a sudden, they get their menstrual cycle or they 23:58 go through that phase even if they're not having their cycle anymore. And then 24:04 it starts over. And so after 2 or 3 months of this, they're just like, "This 24:08 isn't working for me. I still feel bad two weeks out of the month and it's not
Perimenopause, Cortisol, and Midlife Symptoms 24:14 the optimal outcome. So the mirror when you have cases like that at least for me 24:19 I might do Dutch first. That's a type of test that you also use as urine for the 24:23 listeners. It gives you not only your hormone levels but the metabolites on 24:28 how your body's using those hormones. And you add the mirror in for you know 24:32 two to three months because you need a good like span right of what 24:36 >> you need a chunk of time. Yeah. >> Yeah. And it always helps to have a 24:39 practitioner to look at it. You know, I know that people are going to listen to 24:42 this and be like, I'm going to order the mirror and I'm going to get it and 24:45 that's fine, but if it becomes overwhelming, reach out. Like, we'll 24:48 we'll help you. But, you know, blood is not always my favorite. Although it's 24:53 the standard, you know, it's the standard. So, 24:56 >> yes. And I talk about in the course, you know, I go through each testing. We talk 25:01 about blood serum, we talk about the Dutch, we talk about the mirror, we talk 25:05 about how you would triangulate those because they're all valuable. It's just 25:09 they're telling you a different story of the movie, like different snapshots of 25:13 what's really happening. So, you know, I I try to do a a good job at telling you 25:21 when you would pull this in, when you would then maybe turn to a Dutch, you 25:26 know, if you have XY symptoms. Let's just say, let's just say we have a a 25:31 client that might be showing, you know, high estrogen symptoms. So, we wouldn't 25:37 immediately go to the mirror. we would probably utilize the Dutch because then 25:41 we can see those pathways and we could see how their methylation was the detox 25:46 is it are we having a detox issue is that what's happening are those pathways 25:50 even open you know before we so that would be a foundation we have to go back 25:55 and work because again now we can see that we do have an issue we have a 26:00 pathway issue here's a foundational reset we need to do because this is why 26:04 we're have bumping up against a hormone issue 26:06 >> so I try to kind of go and show, you know, when you would pull a certain test 26:11 in, why you would pull a certain test in, what symptoms you might see, and how 26:15 then you would triangulate maybe pulling in the mirror at a later date. 26:19 >> Yeah. And here's a really important thing because you kind of said something 26:23 um that just stimulated a whole thought process in my head. One of the biggest 26:28 issues with healthcare in general and especially women's health is that it's 26:34 in people are always looking for insurance coverage. Now, you just 26:37 mentioned three tests. >> Blood, which is kind of the standard in 26:42 the alipathic. And most of the time, if you get a referral, if you're lucky 26:45 enough, if they don't say you're crazy, and they might suspect it's hormones at 26:49 your PCP office, they normally won't run blood for you because it's not in their 26:54 scope. And they realize that the health insurance may not reimburse that doctor 26:59 for that appointment if they script that test. Nor will the insurance cover that 27:04 blood work. So the PCP will say to you, "It's not really my scope. I can't run 27:09 hormones. I'm going to send you over to your gynecologist." So you hop, skip, go 27:14 over there. And the gynecologist either will run it or will tell you that it's 27:20 normal. You're in pmenopause or menopause. Good luck. Sorry to hear 27:23 this. Right? So let's pretend that you get the blood work. It's very rare that 27:28 they'll know how to interpret it. And I don't know many gynecologists that use 27:34 hormone replacement therapy because they don't know how to use it. They're not 27:37 trained on it. So that's left the woman like she's like, "Where do I go?" 27:42 >> And then they get sent back to their PCP with this. Okay. Yeah, you need some 27:46 hormones. And then you get some person who's never had a maybe had one hormone 27:52 class in med school because it's not in their scope. Remember, they wouldn't run 27:55 the blood work. who starts prescribing you things like estrogen or progesterone 28:01 or testosterone and then you never see them again maybe for a year. What I mean 28:09 and wouldn't you expect your body to change in like three months? And here's 28:13 >> So this is why women are afraid of hormone replacement. It's in the 28:18 alipathic. It is heavily controlled by what the insurance companies deem is 28:25 somebody's profession. So doctors can't even be your doctor, nor are they 28:29 trained educationally. So I want women to hear this today. The 28:34 reason that Sarah requires three different tests perhaps is because she's 28:39 making datadriven decisions about your body in real time. She's not interested 28:44 in seeing you once a year and then pushing you away and saying, "Good luck, 28:48 Chuck. Hope your hormones feel great. Sorry if they don't. See you in a year." 28:52 That's not happening. She's monitoring you. So, I want women today to realize 28:58 that you are worth the investment. You're worth it. We have been 29:02 brainwashed since teenagers to take the easy way out. And I'm just going to get 29:06 real soap boxy right now. We take the easy way out on women's health all the 29:11 time. You go into your gynecologist at 15, you get put on birth control. Right 29:16 now, your period's regular and you can have sex anytime you want. You don't 29:19 have to worry about getting pregnant. But uh-oh, then it fails. Then what's 29:22 the easy way out? Let's go have an abortion. But they don't tell you about 29:25 the potential risks to your health, to your future health, to your hormone 29:30 health, and to your health of being able to conceive again. Plus the 29:34 psychological impact on the fact that you did that, right? And it was these. 29:38 And it's just this is this is called women's health. Murdering, sorry, I'm 29:42 getting soapboxy. Murdering a child is called women's health. So, I'm going to 29:46 start to preach now. And the reason that it's accepted is because no one ever 29:51 went back to that little girl who's 13 years old sitting in a very scary office 29:54 with some big guy who's touching her in places that she's not even ready for. I 29:59 think that's just criminal. First, second, giving her basically castration 30:05 drugs at that time to stop a natural progression of her body's development. 30:12 And that's normalized. And basically, she's told her body's broken. This is 30:17 the standard of care that you can accept for the rest of your life as a woman. 30:21 Congratulations. And we take that. And our moms are the ones that take us. So, 30:27 I'm going to talk to the moms today. I'm going to talk to all the women today. 30:30 You're actually worth the investment on these tests. You're worth the 30:33 appointment with Sarah. You're worth it. You're worth it. You're worth it. And 30:36 instead of going and buying your makeup at Ulta and getting your nails done this 30:40 week, which is going to have a lot of carcinogenic stuff in there, hormone 30:42 disruptors, don't do that. and buying some, you know, lattes at Starbucks. I 30:48 want you for the next two months to save your pennies, make the appointment, and 30:52 go figure this stuff out because you are absolutely 100% worth it. Although the 30:56 industry has not taught you well. Okay, I'm done, Sarah. Go ahead. 30:59 >> Yep. I Hey, you did it. You nailed it. But you are right. And and I honestly 31:06 110% because I I want women to really understand when you do take that step 31:11 and you do take the investment, you are teaching future generations how to truly 31:17 take their own health >> in their own hands. You're teaching 31:21 them. And not only that, you can teach millions of women below you because it's 31:26 it's that it's that one step that you need to take, right? I mean, I can 31:31 remember growing up, I didn't have this education. I had to go and seek it out, 31:34 but you're you are 100 and 10% correct that I did teach my daughter this, 31:41 >> right? >> Like I wanted her to know, you know, how 31:45 how number one your hormones were, what's normal and what's not normal 31:49 because guess what? She's a teenager and she's going to school and she's coming 31:52 back and saying, "Mom, you know, so and so, she didn't feel good today. She 31:56 couldn't even come to school because she had her she had her period." That's not 32:00 normal, folks. >> Not normal. So take what you think is 32:05 normal because that's not. We have to kind of rewire and retach what we just 32:10 chalk up as normal. >> It's not normal. 32:13 >> It's not normal. It's accepted, but it's not normal. 32:15 >> It's not normal. >> That's right. So, let's talk about the 32:19 phases of the menstrual cycle. Can you just walk us through quickly like what 32:23 they are and what they do? >> Yeah. [laughter] So, I mean, everybody's 32:26 probably used to kind of how, you know, you you go into the cycle. What you're 32:31 going to hear me talk about, especially in the course, is the follicular phase, 32:35 right? The ludal phase. And those are kind of the the big ones that we we talk 32:41 about a lot because it's leading up to what you actually consider or you hear 32:46 about as the bleed time, right? So, we have the the leading up, the bleed time, 32:52 and then the after, which is the ludal phase. So, you know, we kind of break 32:56 those down and talk about those and talk about what hormones would be surging and
Hormone Testing and Interpreting Results 33:01 then what falls off and then how it comes back around. So, we we kind of 33:06 break that down so women can understand cuz honestly guys, when I was younger, I 33:11 had no idea. I had no idea what any of that meant, what it was happening. I 33:16 just know, you know what? It just happens. This is what it is. 33:19 >> Happens. It's magic. I didn't even know the hormones involved and what was high, 33:24 what was low. So, you know, just to clarify, obviously that is when women 33:30 cycle. But when we bump up against parameopause, that's when you start to 33:34 see, you know, the showing up of, you know, you might have your cycle and then 33:39 four months you don't and then it comes back and then you don't. So, that is 33:43 really signifying you're bumping up against that phase. Metopause phase is 33:48 when you go a whole year and you do not have any sort of bleed time. You are in 33:52 menopause at that time. >> So those are kind of the different 33:55 phases of because people like I don't even know if I am. You you know you are 33:59 when you go a whole year with no bleed time. 34:02 >> Yeah. It's really interesting too because it it's so diverse the way women 34:08 experience their cycle. You know, you have women that absolutely know. I have 34:13 clients that are like, I can feel which side my egg is coming down. And I'm 34:17 like, >> yeah, 34:19 >> you know, and I'll have conversations about travel or something with my 34:23 assistant and I'll be like, I wonder if I'm going to get my psych. And she's 34:28 like, no. And I'm like, no. >> It's not that it's irregular. It's that 34:33 I'm so asymptomatic that >> I mean, I really am. I just 34:38 >> honestly that's good. I mean, I tell women 34:40 >> probably more attention to when, but >> you really shouldn't had these crazy 34:45 symptoms that are all like all surrounded by women in their cycles. 34:50 They they are down and out. They're on the couch. They have headaches. They 34:54 have cramps. They need a heating pad. They guys, not none of that is normal. 35:00 None of that is normal. I encourage you to take a deep dive in what in the world 35:03 is imbalanced and landing incorrectly to get you back um with no symptoms really 35:09 at all. So obviously I would say you you really shouldn't have a whole lot of 35:14 shift in your life when your cycle happens. 35:16 >> But the propaganda out there makes women think that you know a this incredible 35:23 system that we have that creates life really is what it does, right? It 35:29 creates renewing and life. And hormones are anti-aging. I mean, they're 35:33 anti-inflammatory. So, when they're balanced, you have low oxidative stress. 35:37 When they're balanced, you have low inflammation. When they're balanced, you 35:41 have babies, you know, and healthy pregnancies and all the things. But they 35:46 have really made have demonized the cycle and made women hate it. 35:53 You don't have to you don't have to experience the symptoms, you know, from 35:57 the propaganda on commercials where it shows exactly what you just said. And 36:02 then there's Motrin, the magic savior. And when we take those things, what that 36:06 does to our body and to our cycles and to our anti-aging and to our oxidative 36:10 stress and all the stuff that I just mentioned for what hormones do, you stop 36:15 that when you do stuff like that. >> Yes. 36:18 >> Um, and it's >> it's really sad. 36:21 >> Yes. And I encourage even the you know the the menopausal women were in that 36:26 phase because I do a lot of times pulling mirror for that because um I 36:31 know it's not necessarily marketed as that but I have found that it helps 36:34 women in that stage know where their estrogen levels are because obviously 36:39 menopause we have it that's what happens. We have a tendency for estrogen 36:42 to completely drop, but we don't want it to necessarily drop off the chart 36:47 because again, that's what creates that feelgood for women. Women need estrogen 36:53 and it makes them their immune system stronger. It makes UTI less. That's what 36:58 you'll see a lot of times in those clients is it's chronic. It's chronic 37:02 pain. It's chronic UTI. People don't know what's wrong with them. So that's a 37:06 whole different layer of okay what what can we do as far as foundational health 37:11 and what can we pull in to support these women at this phase in their life. 37:15 >> Yeah. Exactly. So the course that you designed it talks 37:21 about all phases of hormones ages of hormones testing everything. It's super 37:28 comprehensive. Uh, and I would encourage every practitioner in our space and 37:33 scope, you know, we need to be better. The alipathic has its place, and I'm not 37:38 downing it because they do a really good job at emergency acute trauma. Really 37:43 good. But in no way, shape, or form has the alipathic ever been for lifestyle 37:48 medicine. It's just not. And I'm sorry, we cannot take a square peg and stick it 37:53 in a round hole. It doesn't work. And since Sarah, we have this our whole 37:58 life. This is really lifestyle medicine and it requires someone who understands 38:04 how to implement a good lifestyle around maybe a condition that you know they're 38:09 experiencing that could be a little bit offset. So I would encourage 38:14 practitioners to take this course and even lay people so you can learn. 38:17 >> Yeah. >> I want I want to ask the big question 38:20 because this is what women get told of all the time. I mean I'm 51. I don't go 38:24 to regular doctors. I haven't been to a regular doctor since, oh my gosh, I 38:27 think I was maybe 20ome years old. Um, you know, but I'm not opposed if 38:33 something catastrophic would happen. However, if I would walk into an OB. 38:39 Now, I'm I'm completely regular, but let's just take a hypothetical 38:43 situation. I've gone a year without having a cycle. Um, my bleed time and 38:48 I'm going to go to my OB and they're going to tell me what 38:52 >> honestly they'll probably tell you nothing because you're not symptomatic. 38:56 They cannot push you in any direction. So, they have nothing for you, 39:00 >> right? >> Good for you. See you really. Because I 39:04 have women come into me and that's exactly what they tell me. Those are 39:08 their words. This is what I and they have symptoms. They'll come in and say, 39:12 "Oh, this is what's going on." And I went I did go to my doctor. Because 39:15 they'll ask them, "What what have you done?" And they'll say, "I went to my 39:19 doctor and um they said, "Congratulations, you're in med you're 39:23 in menopause >> or you're in parmenopause or whatever it 39:26 is, what stage they're in." Um I've had more than I can count clients been 39:32 referred truly to a psychologist. Um, and they look at me like and they 39:38 tell me they're like, "I don't think I'm crazy." 39:40 >> Right. >> And I think I'm probably the only one 39:42 that said, "You're not. You're just imbalance. It's just it's just landing 39:46 incorrectly." >> Yeah. 39:48 >> So, you know, they don't really tell those women anything. There's nothing 39:51 they can offer them unless it is birth control. 39:55 >> Yep. Well, let me ask you. I got a few myths I want to go over and I want to 39:58 get statement. Okay. Myth number one. You don't need estrogen after menopause, 40:03 nor do you produce any kind of it. >> False. It's false. Um, no, you you are 40:10 going to obviously still produce some estrogen. It most likely will definitely 40:15 be lower. And again, this is why I encourage women to empower yourself. And 40:20 if you are coming up and bumping up against symptoms, I encourage you to 40:25 take a look at something, seek out a holistic practitioner, deep dive into 40:30 truly your hormones because this could be a time where you might want to pull 40:34 in a bio identical. If you have foundations that are truly set and you 40:39 are doing all the right things and you still feel you have symptoms, you could 40:42 still just need a little bit more estrogen. That's why bio identicals are 40:46 a thing and they can be pulled in to support you in that phase. 40:51 >> Takes me to my myth number two. But Sarah, bioididenticals cause breast 40:56 cancer. >> Yeah. See, that unfortunately scared a 40:59 lot of women way back in the day and that is just not true. Um, so again, 41:06 bioididenticals are exactly what your body would produce. Um, so it's not a 41:11 synthetic. That's why it's called bioididentical. And again, when you have 41:15 your foundations and you are set and you are balanced, it can be a very very 41:19 useful and helpful tool for a lot of women.
Myths About Hormone Therapy and Menopause 41:23 >> Yeah. And what I tell women is, you know, back in the day, a 100 years ago, 41:29 you know, we even 150 years ago, 200 years ago, things were different. 41:34 Sanitation was different, atmosphere was different, you know, I I understanding 41:40 of the body was different. I mean, my goodness, they didn't even wash their 41:45 hands when delivering babies after um going in and doing an autopsy on a 41:51 corpse. >> Yeah. 41:52 >> And so the infant death rate, you know, within hospitals was astronomical until 41:57 a doctor suggested that they wash their hands. Like, whoa, that crazy, you know. 42:03 um that doctor at the time, they actually were so upset and didn't want 42:09 to be exposed as to why they took that physician and tricked him to go to an 42:14 insane asylum as the physician that was going to be in charge over there and 42:19 instead they threw him in the insane asylum and beat him and he died. Um so 42:23 that was how >> the propaganda versus the science, 42:28 right? So you have this cycle and I tell my women like you're going to live a lot 42:34 longer than women lived 150 years ago, 200 years ago due to modern technology, 42:40 sanitation, hygiene, etc. It's a long time to live without estrogen if you 42:45 need it from the age of 55 to 85. >> Correct. Correct. And I'm just going to 42:52 throw in, you know, this piece of propaganda. if they truly cared that 42:56 estrogen was causing these issues when they, you know, gave hormone therapy, 43:03 we're going to say back in the 70s, they wouldn't be putting sodium laural 43:07 sulfate in our laundry detergent because guess what that causes? Estrogen 43:11 dominance. So, they're not concerned about the estrogen piece of it. Let's 43:17 just be honest. >> Yeah. And we also have to remember that 43:20 that study which came out and scared everybody in the whole world was done 43:26 with conjugated equin estrogen. So um the Lancet is the one that came back and 43:34 um you know said that that's kind of not true in the whole World Health 43:39 Organization effort on trying to make people believe 43:44 that hormone replacement caused cancer was debunked in 2025. 43:50 So um you know when we look at breast cancer in general and it's multi- 43:56 factual you can't you can't just say one thing causes I mean you can be er 44:00 positive PR positive her two negative triple breast can triple negative breast 44:05 cancer like it's not one way and one thing so when you have systemic estrogen 44:10 only um it didn't risk increase right so but when you have vaginal estrogen it 44:17 was different so it al depends on the delivery system So, there's so much that 44:21 goes into this. This is why you can't just take these blanket Tik Tok 44:24 statements and be like, I'm going to go with this influencer or that. Go get 44:28 tested. >> Yes. 44:30 >> Get data instead guessing your health path. Like, go and make the appointment 44:36 and really get this um figured out because I trust me, I mean, I did it. I 44:42 spent thousands of dollars on testing just to figure me out. And I'll tell you 44:47 what, skin, hair, nails, sex drive, like all the things that women can insomnia, 44:53 mood swings, brain fog, you know, fatigue, all of that, recovery, aches, 44:59 pains, that's stuff. And I promise you, it's your messed up hormones. And once 45:04 straightened out, guess what happens? That all goes away. 45:07 >> And you feel better. So that's the hope that we carry forward. And I I do hope I 45:12 hope people that take your course, listen, if you're not that type of 45:15 person where you're like, I'm just not medically minded or I don't think I'll 45:19 understand it. First of all, there's no refunds on my courses, so if you take 45:22 it, you're stuck. Second, um Sarah's done such a good job explaining it. You 45:27 you won't need to even worry about that. Like, it'll be great. And I tell people, 45:32 I even tell you guys in the modules because I I know I'm I'm sick of 45:35 listening to myself talk about it, but I keep reiterating going back of 45:39 foundational health and how it pulls it in. So, I really try to tie in as I even 45:43 move forward going back to module one of truly what this means and how this would 45:48 look like. And I tell you, I'm like I'm getting I know you're sick of me hearing 45:50 me say it, but it has such a big piece of it that I want people to truly 45:55 understand what it means and how it affects you as a whole. 45:59 >> Yeah. [clears throat] And beautiful thing about the course is that they can 46:01 go back and watch it over and over again. They can take their time through 46:04 it, watch the video over and over again if they don't understand it. And there's 46:09 actually an area where you can comment and or reach out to our team if you have 46:13 questions and will help you. So practitioners, this is just one more 46:17 tool in your toolbox. I'm telling you, women are being every single day gas lit 46:22 in this industry. Um the alipathic has no answers. Our side had no answers. uh 46:29 we need to come to the point where we realize where our limits are as 46:33 practitioners and be like you know what I may not want to be a hormone 46:37 specialist but I need to understand them. 46:39 >> I need to understand them so I know who to send them to or I know what to 46:42 recommend even if it's not in my scope to prescribe or whatever. I need to know 46:47 when to hand off this patient and say to them, you may need some bio identical 46:53 hormone replacement and I'm going to send you to, you know, so and so down 46:57 the road who can prescribe that for you. So, 47:00 >> we need >> Yeah. And I do talk, you know, in the 47:04 course I just because maybe some people have not heard this, but I do touch 47:08 about obviously all those testing that we have talked about, but I also touch a 47:12 little bit on HTMA. So, it is something that I utilize. I do pull it in. Um, 47:18 it's just another test that I do because I want to see where people are as far as 47:22 their mineral status because those significant ratios do have a lot 47:27 depending on where hormones are and what glands they affect. So, I do also pull 47:32 in that testing on other multiple because I do feel it has a really good 47:36 place especially when I'm dealing with hormones. Yeah, I will tell you when I 47:40 do hair analysis for heavy metals, you know, you know what the nutrient that's 47:45 missing the most on that test? No, no trace of it. Boron. 47:48 >> Boron >> all the time.
Course Launch and Final Takeaways 47:50 >> And I'm telling you guys, boron is a huge player in hormones. Just so if you 47:55 don't know that, that is a one piece to go back and really understand how all 47:59 that kind of intertwines and correlates together because minerals are a huge 48:03 piece. >> Yes, absolutely. Well, Sarah, this 48:06 course sounds amazing. What did you call it in our academy? 48:10 >> I mean, I think it is um >> I'm trying to think of what it is 48:15 because we changed it a couple times because when I first started it was just 48:18 going to be a 101 and then it became a complete hormone course, I think. So 48:24 >> well it we kind of went back and forth on the title exactly what because of 48:28 what you're saying like >> you start out like we just need a basic 48:32 one and then as you got into it Sheranne our dean of education was like this 48:37 isn't basic like you know she said and and it's not over complicated but right 48:44 >> definitely is something that you know everyone could take but it's so 48:49 comprehensive you know we we really need to, you know, make sure that people know 48:54 what this is. So, uh, I'm truly thrilled. Thank you so much. 48:59 >> You're welcome. Thank you, >> guys. If I'm going to put Sarah's 49:03 contact information in the show notes, uh, so that you know, if you want to 49:08 make an appointment with her, um, absolutely reach out to her. You know, 49:13 our team as well can take appointments for hormone, hormone testing, all of 49:18 that. Um, but I would also encourage you guys to 49:24 um go in and take this course even if you're not a practitioner because it 49:28 really matters how we, you know, take care of ourselves, how we take care of 49:33 our families. Uh, we want to make sure that we're giving them the right 49:38 information that they are, you know, staying healthy and doing all the 49:42 things. So, go to the Academy of Abiding Wellness. The link is down there. I'll 49:48 also put a special coupon in there for you and you know you can absolutely 100% 49:55 come back and tell us how wonderful this program is. So, thank you so much Sarah. 50:00 I really appreciate it. Comprehensive hormones in the Academy of Abiding 50:04 Wellness is ready. Any last words for our audience? Um, I appreciate number 50:10 one everybody that would be willing to take it. And remember as a practitioner, 50:16 um, you're definitely making a difference because this is a piece a big 50:19 piece for you to take and to truly understand as far as you relaying that 50:23 information back [music] to your clients. And if you're just in general, 50:26 I encourage you to empower your own health um because it matters. 50:30 >> Yeah, absolutely. [music] Healthc care is the new self-care, right? Or selfcare 50:34 is the new healthcare. That's really all right [music] guys. God bless. Thanks 50:38 for being here and we'll see you next time. 50:45 [music]
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