Full Transcript Introduction to IM8 and the podcast guests 0:00 Men don't need extra iron. 0:01 Having iron in a multivitamin would expose a man to potentially iron toxicity. 0:05 We started with David Beckham. 0:07 He was saying, hey, when I'm traveling all over the world, I've got this duffel bag full of supplements. 0:10 Is there a way to simplify this and make this better? 0:12 A product is not a product if it really doesn't have the science behind it. 0:16 Meet Dr. 0:16 Don Musilum, integrative oncologist at Mayo Clinic, and David van der Veen, a global wellness visionary. 0:23 Together, they're shaping the future of health with IM8. 0:26 Co-founded by David Beckham and redefining what longevity means, stay tuned to discover why the science behind IM-8 truly matters. 0:34 There's no other product on the market that is bringing the Science to the table. 0:38 When you look at IM8, you have 92 ingredients, which would equal about 16 supplement products. 0:43 I'm already healthy, I eat my fruits and vegetables, why do I have to take a supplement? 0:47 It never should replace getting adequate vegetable and fruit consumption in your diet. 0:51 Whether someone's eating the perfect diet or the standard American diet, there's nutrient gaps. 0:55 Are you still getting all of the different ingredients that you need without taking these 50 pills? 1:01 I truly eat the Perfect Diet. 1:02 So I thought, I don't think this is going to make a big difference to me. 1:05 And I really did not think I would feel better. 1:07 Over 90% of people using the product are like, I feel an energetic benefit. 1:10 But ultimately, it's how it affects your life and actually makes your live better. 1:15 That is the only thing that really matters. 1:16 What are, in your opinion, top three biomarkers that you would want to see on someone who's taken a supplement? 1:22 I really love that question. 1:23 And for me, Welcome to another episode of a Healthy Point of View podcast. 1:30 I'm your host, Sam Tahata. 1:32 And today, as you guys know, we bring experts from all over the world to talk about health, wellness, and beauty. 1:38 Today we have two guests that are behind a product that we're seeing all-over social media. 1:45 People are talking about it, there's buzz. 1:47 The reason why people are talkin' about is that there is true science behind this supplement. 1:52 And there's supplements out there. 1:54 As you guys know, everyone's cutting corners, doing different things, not on this one.
Why David Beckham co-founded IM8 1:59 So today we have the team from IM8. 2:03 It's a product that's backed by David Beckham. 2:06 and we have the lead on the scientific advisory board and also the president of the company. 2:12 We have Dr. 2:13 Don Musalim, right, did I say that right? 2:16 And then we got David Vanderveen. 2:20 I'm horrible, I always chop up names. 2:23 But you know what, this is good, that I am, just hoping about it. 2:27 So guys, welcome on to the podcast. 2:30 Thanks for having us. 2:31 Great to be here. 2:35 You guys have an incredible story, both of you guys, on how you got involved with this product. 2:40 So, yeah, David Beckham. 2:42 Why is David Beckham getting behind a supplement product? 2:47 Why? 2:49 You know, I think that's a great question. 2:50 David is a co-founder of IM8 with Danny Young, our founder, CEO of Prenetics, which is the parent company for all of this. 2:58 And, you know, David and Danny had met through mutual friends in Hong Kong. 3:03 And David was fascinated with the science of prenetics, which was a life, it's a Life Sciences company in Asia, particularly some of the early cancer detection 3:11 work we're doing with Dr. 3:12 Dennis Lo. 3:15 what could we do to simplify supplementation and nutrition? 3:20 He says, look, I've always had access to the best healthcare, the training, and the nutritionists. 3:26 How do we make that available to everyone? 3:28 And so what Danny and David really set out to do was to create this baseline of nutrition for everyone with an all-in-one functional supplement that tastes great, 3:38 that makes you feel energetic, it actually has some great ingredients in it. 3:43 Amazing. 3:45 You know, listen, a product is not a project if it really doesn't have the science behind it. 3:49 Dr. 3:50 Don, when they asked you to actually join the team, what were you thinking? 3:55 It was so exciting. 3:57 So my first call with Danny, believe it or not, was a Zoom call at 4 a.m. 4:00 I was heading to the airport. 4:01 He's in Hong Kong. 4:03 Oh, I wake up early. 4:04 Let's just do this call while I'm in the back of an Uber. 4:08 We were both so energized that I said, hey, hold on, i'm going through security. 4:13 Picked it up and we finished the call all the way until I got on the plane. 4:20 We just had so much in common, and my passion started truly when I was a kid. 4:24 I just was really fascinated with longevity and just optimization of the human experience and really to bring individuals through to flourishing. 4:32 And that's what my practice is. 4:34 So really, this has been a gap in what I always wanted to do with my patients. 4:41 When this became a possibility to join efforts with IM8, with the scientific rigor we have at Mayo Clinic, it was just a no-brainer.
Nutrient gaps, methylation, and supplement formulation 4:47 It's just what we wanted do. 4:49 really honored and excited to be in this position to develop the world's best supplements to support the human experience. 4:56 So let's talk about your experience with the Mayo Clinic because you know the male clinic is a leader in the health and wellness industry overall just 5:04 in a clinical setting so when you're taking that expertise that you have from you to that background how are you applying that to this product? 5:14 Exactly. 5:14 You know, so my specialty at Mayo Clinic is integrative oncology and lifestyle medicine. 5:18 And you know at mayo clinic we're seeing the world's sickest individuals and many times folks acknowledge Mayo clinic as being a place where people go 5:27 when they're unwell. 5:28 But we are masterful about taking the un well person and bringing them through to retaining their vitality and then flourishing after and so It is very 5:38 important to us that we have solutions for our patients when it comes to optimal nutrition, helping our patient's move, get exercise prescription, 5:45 managing stress, social connections, avoiding toxic exposures. 5:49 So this was another one of those solutions that were really enthusiastic about, particularly as we become really more active even in that healthy aging space. 6:00 For so long, I've been at Mayo Clinic since 2000. I started my clinicals when I was in medical school. 6:06 And I do remember back in 2000, it was a little bit more of a focus on the sick care, getting them better. 6:12 But over the last decade, decade and a half, its really also fundamentally became quite a resource at Mayo Clinic for folks to come to us for healthy aging solutions. 6:22 And though lifestyle is the goal, there are a lot of gaps in our lifestyle, and particularly, as you know, with nutrition. 6:29 And so to solve that gap with the nutrition, on top of the confounding stressors that we have with modernization of lifestyle we need to have things like 6:39 IM8 that can close those nutrient gaps and then potentially even enhance the ability for cellular health, mitochondrial health energy protection and beyond. 6:49 You hit a really good topic about lifestyle. 6:52 And when you look at people's lifestyle, especially the things that we're putting in our body, the foods that were eating, 6:58 supplementation, in my professional opinion, is extremely important because a lot of our food are nutrients dense. 7:04 They don't have the nutrients that they're supposed to. 7:08 So when it comes to utilizing a certain supplementation product, what's your opinion when comes including it for people who already take that proactive 7:20 approach to their lifestyle, where they say, well, I'm already healthy. 7:24 I eat my fruits and vegetables. 7:25 Why do I have to take a supplement? 7:27 Sam, I love that question. 7:29 And you know, whether someone's eating the perfect diet or the standard American diet, there's nutrient gaps and there was no denying it. 7:36 Unfortunately, the Standard American Diet, 60% of that's ultra processed foods. 7:39 So people just aren't getting what they need in that situation. 7:42 and that needs to be remedied by eating healthier. 7:45 But even in the Perfect World where someone is eating a healthy plant predominant plant forward diet where they're getting the vitamins and minerals you 7:53 would think they would be getting from produce or from vegetables and fruits. 7:57 Because of monoculture farming, because of the pesticide exposure, we just don't have that nutrient density that we used to have in our produce. 8:04 And I see that in my patients. 8:05 I check these laboratory studies in both my patience that are on the standard American diet, as well as some of them eating the perfect diet. 8:11 And I find so many vitamin deficiencies. 8:14 But it's not just me. 8:16 One of my colleagues is an oncologist, kept on seeing wound healing problems, and he checked vitamin C levels. 8:22 And he was finding extremely low levels of vitamin c in our patients in the cancer center. 8:27 That was actually not one of the vitamins I was regularly checking in my patient population because my patients already on a very plant forward diet. 8:35 That is what my specialty is in lifestyle medicine. 8:38 But I just really so actually proud of my colleague in the oncology space to think of checking a vitamin C, but also quite disheartened to know that we 8:48 are seeing this amount of significance of vitamin in nutrient depletion. 8:53 And that's not even speaking to the phytonutrients. 8:55 We're not checking phytonutrion levels in most situations. 8:59 So it definitely is a solution we need to have. 9:02 The other problem is when folks go to marketplace to buy their multivitamin, some of those multitamins are just harmful with how they have been formulated. 9:10 Synthetically made all kinds of processed things in it right precisely what they're adding in terms of fillers You know one of the little simple things 9:17 you know when we think about cellular health is the ability to methylate if someone's eating a healthy diet Well, that's really where we need to start 9:24 with methylation, but there's many people that don't know how to take Folic acid for example and do with it what? 9:30 They're supposed to do it that so methyl folate should always be in a standard and Multivitamin formula, but very few of them have that of course.
Energy, gut health, and the benefits of IM8 9:37 I made has that same thing with methyl b12 You really want those methyl donors when you think it's just some of those basic B vitamins But it goes so far 9:47 beyond just just keeping it simple You know, I personally do not like iron and multi vitamins men Don't need extra iron, 9:55 right? 9:55 If you are iron deficient, you're losing blood somewhere in most situations where you just not eating a balanced diet. 10:00 So things like that, having iron in a multivitamin would expose a man to potentially iron toxicity and iron is an oxidative agent. 10:09 Those are just three very simple examples When you look at IM8, you have 92 ingredients to help to close those very basic nutrient gaps, 10:18 which would equal about 16 supplement products. 10:21 So that was David Beckham's one ask, was I just need a one stop solution. 10:25 You know, that is easy and quick and convenient without having to open up all these different bottles. 10:30 Let me expand on that. 10:32 So when you're talking about these different nutrients, like you said the methyl, you know, B12, and you also said that methylfolate. 10:39 There's other versions of B-12 as well. 10:42 Why go the methylated version? 10:45 Again, a small subset of people, and it's a wider percentage of the people than we realize, have a gene mutation called MTHFR. 10:53 And they're not able to actually absorb the B12 as well as they should without that methyl donor group. 10:58 When it comes to B-12, period, some people have harder time if they are swallowing a pill. 11:02 So sometimes if you're letting it even dissolve in the mouth as it is going through, there's more digestibility even with using the powders or the liquids 11:09 with that B 12 supplement. 11:10 Right. 11:14 Amazing, amazing. 11:16 David, one of the things that Doc mentioned is what David Beckham wanted to do with a product and make it kind of like a one-stop shop. 11:23 And when you start watching a lot of these guys in the longevity space, the biohackers, right? 11:29 You watch people like, for example, Brian Johnson, and all of a sudden it's like you have this drawer of pills and this and that. 11:38 And anyone who wants to just kind of take that first step to take control of their health, they see that and they're frightened. 11:43 It's like I'm not taking 55 pills first thing in the morning and then another 55 in evening. 11:49 So why put something together the way that you guys did, right? 11:56 And then the question to follow that as you answer it is, Are you still getting all of the different ingredients that you need without taking these 50 12:06 pills that see some of these other people doing? 12:08 It's a great question and I'll let Don jump in on some this too, but I think from our perspective as a brand, we wanted to have something that was simple 12:16 and elegant and was really going to drive compliance. 12:21 I owned an energy drink and sports nutrition brand previously and our whole focus was total experience. 12:25 We wanted to help people get sugar out of their diets. 12:27 We want to get essential amino acids into their diet as a couple examples of things we were doing. 12:33 But we realized that if people didn't enjoy it, they weren't going to use it. 12:36 And so one of the big, you know, because you have to build a habit. 12:39 If you don't like it you probably won't. 12:41 So one of the big keys with this is we wanted people to have really fine deep enjoyment. 12:46 People who are polyglots, who speak 11 or more languages, have one thing in common. 12:50 It's not how big their brains are, it's how well they memorize, is do they enjoy learning language? 12:55 If you enjoy it, you'll figure it out. 12:58 And so we want this to be on the counter, not in your fridge. 13:00 We want it to something that tasted good, that you didn't gag on when you were drinking it. 13:06 And we wanted you to feel really good after you took it. 13:08 There's no stimulants in it, and Dawn and I were talking about this because she's always incredibly energetic. 13:13 And some days I am, but I'm inspired by Dawn. 13:16 I mean, we could bottle what she has inside her. 13:18 You know, I'll give you some, But I want to have some too. 13:21 Yeah, yeah. 13:21 We'll split it! 13:22 Yeah. 13:23 But she always has amazing energy. 13:25 but, you were feeling it Dawn, And I was like, what am I feeling? 13:29 Because it felt like it was starting in my gut. 13:31 It was this sort of deeper cellular positive energy, But it felt so good. 13:36 And so it's in our IRB study we're doing right now on consumer response. 13:41 But over 90% of people using the product are like, I feel an energetic benefit. 13:45 There's nothing in there on its own that would show that. 13:48 Synergistically, we have a really clinical dose of pre-pro and post-biotic, so that's going to activate your gut. 13:54 And I think it was Don and Dr. 13:56 Devkota from Cedars-Sinai were saying, probably there's a gut metabolite being activated here. 14:01 So we're studying 230 gut metabolites now with artificial guts to see what's being activate, finding some interesting things. 14:08 And then we have CoQ10 and MSM that are probably being active. 14:11 Don may have some other ideas, I'm not the scientist, but there are some really great synergistic benefits from having all of these things in one basket. 14:20 And obviously we get a lot of anecdotal responses because different people have different deficiencies and so they're going to have a different responses 14:29 to what they feel. 14:30 Almost everyone feels an energetic difference. 14:32 We were just with David Beckham here at the owner's box at an Inter-Miami game about a week ago. 14:38 And one of the top women's tennis player was there who we found out had been using the product for a month. 14:44 Oh really? 14:45 And I was talking to her partner who also helps manage her career and he said, you know, she made me start taking it because she's feeling so much more energy. 14:54 It's changing her ability, how she is training. 14:57 and her endurance. 14:58 So I think that's a big part of it, just you feel great, you the benefits, feel the energy, it makes you want to use it. 15:03 Dawn was telling me how she had a little extra IMA on the way down here as she's driving down today. 15:09 I do. 15:10 It is really exciting. 15:13 And I really did not think I would feel better when I started it. 15:16 It was probably about six months ago I've been on it now. 15:18 Well, probably longer, actually about eight months. 15:20 Same, we're both cynical. 15:20 We've tried everything, right? 15:22 Exactly. 15:22 And we take really good care of ourselves. 15:25 Being a lifestyle medicine physician, I truly eat the perfect diet. 15:28 So I thought I don't think this is going to make a big difference in me, but I'm going go ahead and take it, and I run marathons. 15:34 David trains for maratons with us. 15:36 Where we have a lot of fun together seeing who's running faster in any one given day. 15:39 Dawn's run faster. 15:41 But it really fuels me. 15:43 And I travel extensively, and it's keeping me really healthy. 15:48 But the synergy, even in the greens, or you could say the reds, because it is a red color, has a beautiful acai flavor. 15:56 The smell is lovely, which even that separates it. 16:00 That, for me, my motivation would be taste and flavor, but man, we nailed it with taste, flavor and even the color is very beautiful, 16:08 pretty red-color. 16:09 The super greens or the reds formula in this was well thought out. 16:14 It never should replace getting adequate vegetable and fruit consumption in your diet, but it can help to support that. 16:20 Then we have the adaptogen blend. 16:23 When it comes to stress, having a nice balanced subtle, and I use that word subtle for reason, adaptogen blend is very important. 16:31 Now, that brings me to the next point that we are NSF certified, which is critical. 16:36 So this is going to test for the heavy metals, the molds, microplastics, but most importantly, dosing accuracy. 16:42 That's amazing. 16:43 There was a recent brand, very well-known brand. 16:46 Many women, many of my patients were using it, and they just unfortunately experienced liver failure in one of their patients, 16:52 likely because of the high-dose ashwagandha. 16:54 You know, any of these particular substances, EGCG, which is the epigallic and catechol, three out of green tea. 17:02 What we saw with that as well is it has this very narrow therapeutic window. 17:06 So you can help a patient feel better, but if you overshoot it, you're going to be really affecting that liver. 17:11 And all of a sudden you have a bunch of different herbs interacting with each other, and that's a disaster. 17:15 This is why mainstream medicine is so cynical with supplements, because there's no standardization.
NSF certification, purity, and ingredient safety 17:21 like there are with prescription medicines. 17:23 So our way of standardizing is with NSF, and it feels so good to have that backing. 17:29 And that is why Mayo Clinic and this partnership with IM8 to set this research forward, we are so happy to with IM8 as well as future product development 17:39 in that space. 17:40 So this is something really important for us to highlight here, the whole NSF thing, because we live in a very toxic world, 17:46 and there's been a lot of talk about our environment, our foods that we're eating, heavy metals, you know, different dyes in the food, 17:56 it's all over the news recently, right? 17:59 The food here versus other countries like Canada or Europe, So when it comes to these heavy metals, this can have a very negative impact here over overall health, 18:09 right doc? 18:11 there is no doubt this is something we really need to be mindful of. 18:14 And the molds as well. 18:15 People underestimate exposure to molds in many of these sorts of products, particularly when you start to bring those greens formulas into it. 18:21 As well as the herbs, particular the Ayurvedic herbs. 18:25 Some of the adaptogens, some of them mushroom blends. 18:27 All of this very, very important. 18:30 You know, so the science and the purity control that NSF brings is very David had mentioned the science, and that's another area that there's no competitor, 18:41 there is no other product on the market that is bringing the Science to the table. 18:46 And so with this original research, we spent 90% enhancement in energy and 81% improvement in endurance and 67% percent improvement and gut health. 18:56 which is significant. 18:57 And then about a 61% to 62% improvement in hair, skin, and nails. 19:02 Which again, I just shared that other hair skin and nail formula is the one that caused this unfortunate woman to have this liver failure, 19:08 which was really, really concerning. 19:10 Yeah, in a lot of these products, one of the things you mentioned is, the different ingredients that could even cause mold. 19:17 I think people have to understand that. 19:19 It's not just synthetic products that can bring the mold in there. 19:23 Mold can actually come from natural type of ingredients that are going into the product, right? 19:28 Absolutely. 19:29 This is something where I think, you know, it sometimes is a little confusing I think for a consumer because they're like, 19:35 I don't want anything chemical. 19:36 And you're, like well, if you actually a scientist, well everything's a chemical and water's chemical, right? 19:41 So you kind of have to pick your terms. 19:43 I these days things get kind batted around, people say clean ingredients and I'm like okay, does that mean simple? 19:50 Because I used to run a beverage alcohol laboratory in the Napa Valley. 19:54 We did a lot of research with UC Davis. 19:59 Toxins can occur naturally. 20:01 And if you're like, for example, when you are not using like a pesticide or herbicide on the leaf, then the vine and the fruit have to fight the toxins somehow, 20:09 and they will naturally fight that toxin with toxins they develop inside, right? 20:13 And they get into the fruits. 20:14 And, if your concentrating and stressing the food, you probably want to limit those natural toxins. 20:19 Probably not that harmful for somebody, but when your comparing to washing off the pesticides or the herbicides, You know, 20:25 it starts to look, in some cases, a pesticide or herbicide might actually be a better solution than concentrating natural toxins inside the fruit. 20:33 Of course. 20:34 It's not everything. 20:35 I'm not saying across the board, but that was one example, right? 20:37 And so some of these things are a little confusing to a consumer because they're like, well, what should I? 20:41 If you're putting it in your mouth, I think you probably want to go organic. 20:43 If can wipe it off, you know. 20:45 There's more room to debate it. 20:47 But that was something that we just like to, you know, we're looking at from the original ingredients. 20:52 We use Eurofins to give us a third party assessment on, is this what we think it is before we even put it into a batch? 20:59 And then after we put all together, blend it and, At the batch and then again at the packaging, we have NSF, which is the gold standard for certification. 21:08 Make sure that what we say is in there, that nothing extra is there. 21:12 And then we even go another level and go NSS certified for sport so that professional, any athlete can feel comfortable that there's gonna be no banned 21:20 substances in their. 21:21 That's amazing. 21:22 David, let me ask you something. 21:23 So when you look at, the product that's, David Beckham is part of it. 21:29 I know from being in the industry for so many years sometimes when you have an athlete behind a product people kind of feel like well I don't want to be 21:36 an Athlete so so let's talk about some of that stigma that might be behind A product where people think well this is just for the person who's you know 21:44 very athletic I mean this product is for The regular Joe Schmo for everybody right and it's a project. 21:51 That's good for longevity and So how can you, obviously you're a branding expert, being in the different supplement businesses and everything else, 21:58 how would you address that? 22:00 Yeah, I mean, look, we have athletes who love it. 22:03 I would say it's for athletes too, but it is not designed necessarily for the athletes. 22:08 We started with David Beckham, who was a professional athlete. 22:10 He's an icon for sport, he's and icon fashion, and he is an Icon for UNICEF. 22:14 A very broad brand that serves the world, very well. 22:21 He was saying, hey, when I'm traveling all over the world, and I've got this duffel bag full of supplements, is there a way to simplify this and make this better? 22:28 And so that's where we started. 22:30 Something that, of course, would be good for David Beckham, but that we could extend to the rest of the word. 22:34 We formulated it for people as petite as Dawn and as big as me, where I think we can all feel really comfortable with what we're consuming. 22:43 And sometimes I might have two a day, just because I am a bigger person. 22:46 So I may have one in the morning and then one later in afternoon.
Who IM8 is for and how it supports longevity 22:49 But the idea is that we cover that baseline of nutrition. 22:52 We're going to get your gut activated, we're gonna get those 16 supplements that you're typically taking, you know, into your system in a way that's really 22:58 going be usable. 23:00 I think the bigger thing is the synergistic effects. 23:02 You know you mentioned Brian Johnson who's you know, really causing a lot of discussion around supplementation and what's in the supplements. 23:09 And I think some really healthy discussion. 23:12 He's also putting his body through some things that, you, know I, think are good to question, because a motorcycle isn't defined by the pieces and parts, 23:22 it's defined the whole thing running together. 23:24 So you can't define a motorcyle by a spark plug. 23:27 It's not just gasoline, right? 23:29 You've got to have it all working together in harmony. 23:32 And I think that's where the synergistic benefits are something that we really have to pay attention to, like Dawn was talking about, 23:38 where we wanna make sure, one, we're doing no harm, and two, that were getting some surprising benefits for different people with different needs states. 23:47 When I was taking to this number one tennis player, she was using it for the energetic benefits and the endurance benefits. 23:54 Her partner, who's also a former pro, he told me, I'm sleeping better. 23:58 You know, those two things would seem to be at odds, but they had different need states, and so their bodies responding differently. 24:03 And I think that's one of the benefits of having such a broad supplement is we're not going to pin down every benefit. 24:09 We're going see a lot of anecdotal differences. 24:11 People who have blood sugar regulation issues are saying, hey, I'm seeing a big impact in my blood-sugar regulation. 24:18 Absolutely. 24:18 Probably from the fiber, probably from a number of things. 24:20 CoQ10, Don will have better ideas than I do on this. 24:24 But when we see a broad spectrum of people who are using it coming back to us and saying, hey, this is working for me, why is it doing that? 24:31 That gives us the opportunity to then, we've had the observation, now we get to dig in and do some science and figure out why that's happening. 24:38 I think that what's been really exciting for us. 24:40 Absolutely. 24:41 So excited and so confident in the product that we're doing a hundred of our health care workers at Mayo Clinic with a randomized controlled study. 24:48 Oh, wow. 24:49 And so there's going to be extensive laboratory analysis during this time, both pre and post. 24:54 Again, it'll be randomized with. 24:56 A placebo. 24:57 The placebo, we're going to go ahead and use the beetroot extract, which, you know, that's a nitric oxide stimulator. 25:02 So you're automatically in the placebo group going, to probably make those people a little bit healthier, but there still will be enough of the statistical gap. 25:09 I'm not worried about that, company that's been willing to invest that amount of financial effort towards proving the product is good, 25:19 probably because they're a little concerned that a randomized controlled study won't show the benefit. 25:24 What's really exciting is Mayo Clinic in partnership with the military designed this wearable device. 25:29 And we're going to use this variable device as part of the study with a particular cohort. 25:33 It'll measure heart rate, heartrate variability, EKG with age monitoring. 25:38 Age monitoring. 25:39 So it's gonna be very cool. 25:40 What's the age monitoring? 25:41 Yeah, and I have to be cautious like speaking too much to it until it is actually published. 25:45 Well the thing is, I'm like really big into wearables. 25:48 I am more in my aura ring right now. 25:49 But I actually writing a book called Your Wellness Data that I've interviewed a lot of the people that produce wellness data. 25:55 You know, interviewing people from aura rings and you know the whoop and everything else. 26:00 We'll be back. 26:02 My brother-in-law is the lead designer for auraing. 26:04 Really? 26:05 Oh that's amazing. 26:06 That's very good. 26:07 The things you learn on a podcast. 26:08 That's great. 26:10 I definitely got to talk to you about that because that's one of the ones that I really want to make sure that it's in the book. 26:14 So, you know, I got the guys from Pinoy with the VO2 Max, Prunuvo, Full Body MRI, a few different big labs. 26:21 Because that is something that, talking about this stuff, when it comes to your actual wellness data, This is what allows people to really take control 26:29 of their health, right? 26:30 Being able to understand how your body's performing. 26:33 So I wanna hear more about what you're talking about with this randomized test with 100 co-workers, the health workers, et cetera. 26:41 Yeah, we're really, really excited about it. 26:42 And we know in healthcare right now, this is a time of really high burnout. 26:47 Healthcare workers are working long hours. 26:49 We want to have a subset of that population, definitely overnight workers that are more challenged, even with their own scheduling. 26:54 So it's going to be a very provocative test, but we stand behind the product and the project development and feel very confident we'll be looking at metabolic markers. 27:04 Really excited, and we will share those results with you when we get the study completed. 27:07 So as of right now, are you guys checking any biomarkers specifically related to the product and how the body would perform? 27:15 So on ourselves, we have done that. 27:17 But this will be the first randomized controlled study with that advanced profile of biomarker analysis that has been done for IM8. 27:25 And when we look at other companies out there, I have not seen any out that have ever done a randomized control study on this caliber. 27:32 So it's very exciting. 27:34 What are, in your opinion, some of the top, let's say top three biomARKers that you would want to see on someone who's taken a supplement? 27:42 I really love that question. 27:43 And for me, vitamin D is a big one. 27:46 So vitamin-D deficiency, I see suboptimal vitamin B levels. 27:51 You can really close the vitamin deficiency gap, definitely with the IM8 will probably move most people to a sufficient level with a current dosing that 27:59 is in it. 28:00 you also don't wanna overshoot vitamin, particularly if someone has a history of kidney stones. 28:03 so you have to walk that fine line. 28:06 When you select a dose for a multivitamin, you are looking at the population as a whole. 28:11 So you don't want to go so high that all of a sudden a small subset is going into toxicity, right? 28:16 You have to find for the average medium to be sure that it's first do no harm. 28:20 But the vitamin D dosing is 35 milligrams, which is about, you know, getting close to about 1200 IUs of the Vitamin D3, Which is very nice.
Clinical testing, biomarkers, and wearable data 28:29 The competitor to IM8, the greens, doesn't have any vitamin d in it. 28:33 So it is nice that we have the vegan vitamin that is in the IM-8. 28:36 That would be number one. 28:37 Number two is one that's going to surprise you. 28:39 And it's actually beta carotene levels. 28:40 It's something that I check in my patients. 28:42 With the REDS formula, I anticipate that we'll pull beta-caroten up. 28:46 There's some really nice research from the early 1990s that showed that beta karatene are a wonderful surrogate for a health-related quality of life. 28:53 And so it's something that I've been following for over the past decade in my patient population. 28:58 And there's a very strong correlate. 29:00 So I'm really excited to go after that finding to stay pre and post intervention. 29:04 If we see as we drive up that beta carotene level that we also see that health related quality of life goes up in conjunction with that. 29:11 Then of course we'll be checking hemoglobin A1Cs, we will be check ApoBs and the traditional metabolic profiles that you would expect to also some benefit from. 29:22 all of the basic labs and the vitamins and minerals like zinc and selenium, I see very frequently deficiencies in both of those particular minerals whenever 29:32 I'm checking labs in my patients nowadays. 29:34 The type of micronutrients test that you would do on your patients, what type micro nutrients test is it? 29:39 Is it in the whole blood or is looking at intracellular what's been absorbed? 29:46 What is specifically? 29:47 It actually depends on what the micronutrient is that we're measuring. 29:50 I do all of my labs through Mayo Clinic at this time. 29:53 We are looking at even outside labs as part of IM8, as a part our longevity center, and even doing at home testing with partners globally to even look 30:02 at some of these different analyses, because I have the majority of ours coming in on whole blood. 30:08 But when it comes to, for example, magnesium, you want that more on red blood cell. 30:12 So we do want to be mindful of where we are drawing this from when we're doing this particular testing. 30:17 This laboratory testing will all be done at Mayo Clinic, actually in-house. 30:21 We want everything to have that tight quality control. 30:24 And as we bring in these outside labs to even consider other analyses, we will always compare them to our in house labs. 30:30 Absolutely. 30:32 Does the IM8 product have K2 in it? 30:36 It does. 30:36 It actually does have k2. 30:38 That is something on reformula. 30:39 We're probably going to actually go ahead and maybe pull it up a little bit even. 30:42 But right now the dose is about 35 micrograms. 30:45 And so happy with where that dosing is at. 30:48 Again, when it comes to K-2, particularly in people that are not getting any dairy fat or high fat animal products, which in my patient population, 30:56 the cancer population most of them are plant predominant, they definitely need K2 and the role of K-2 is to kind of shuttle that calcium where it needs 31:04 to go into the bone so it's not out there free floating around to cause atherogenic or calcified corner arteries is the biggest concern. 31:12 And it goes very well in conjunction with the vitamin D, right? 31:15 And, it's one of those things that in the world of functional medicine, we're always preaching, hey, if you're taking vitamin, 31:20 D make sure you take it with a K2. 31:22 So, that just shows you the type of thought that has gone into the product. 31:27 In the magnesium. 31:28 You know, we have a very high quality magnesium that is in this particular product. 31:31 Magnesium deficiency is probably affecting over 90% of it. 31:34 Everyone should take magnesium, everyone. 31:36 Exactly. 31:36 It's one of those things, like any time I take any classes with any of these top doctors in the functional medicine space, 31:43 they're like, if there's on thing you have to take, it's magnesium it, that's good for your gut, its good your digestion, 31:48 your circulation, and it good to your sleep. 31:50 Its good like everything. 31:52 And it depends on the form you're using. 31:54 And this is where the thought needs to be put in it, because many supplement companies use magnesium oxide, which is going to stay in the gut. 32:00 It's going cause GI upset, and you are going excrete it. 32:02 You're not getting it in to the blood where you need to get it so it can go to cellular level. 32:07 So it was over 15 years ago I did my first magnesium study at Mayo Clinic with hot flashes, it's with magnesium glycinate. 32:14 And, you know, people originally thought I was a little crazy, like, why are you looking? 32:18 And sure enough, yes, I would see this regular trend with my patients that they were feeling better, more relaxed, and their hot flashes went away. 32:24 I wasn't giving it to them for hot flash, but all of a sudden they started coming in and saying hot flushes are gone. 32:29 So it's the first thing we use at Mayo Clinic for a hot-flash management, actually, is magnesium glycinate. 32:35 The magnesium is beautifully absorbed, so it is not causing the problem of hanging out in the GI tract, causing all that GI distress. 32:41 that the common magnesium citrates and magnesium oxides are doing. 32:45 It's not to say that people can't take those other forms, it's just we wanna use a more bioavailable form so it goes where it should be going. 32:51 Of course. 32:52 Doc, let me ask you this. 32:53 A lot of the listeners and viewers of podcast, they take control of their health and they're taking all kinds of different supplements. 33:00 How do you deal with people that want to start utilizing or trying the IM8 product but have already These drawers of vitamins and minerals and everything else, 33:11 you know, like because most people in their heads are going to say, well, I don't want to overdo it, right? 33:16 I want it just supplement to supplement and just take a bunch of other supplements. 33:20 Like, is there a transition that people should do when they want I switch them immediately over and they're so excited not to have to take those pills anymore. 33:31 So it's really been exciting. 33:32 I had a patient recently, it was very cute. 33:34 She had just finished her breast cancer treatment. 33:36 Her son was visiting and he brings out this basket and I'm not kidding. 33:40 It was probably 75 bottles. 33:42 And I said, I have a solution for you. 33:44 Once your mom's done with radiation, your Mom could start this, but you need to start it now." And so he sent me a message back and he's really excited 33:51 he received it. 33:52 And he was so happy because he travels. 33:54 He's like, you're kidding. 33:56 I didn't know this would be an option. 33:57 So yes, I think it's something that the patients that I've worked with and their families are really happy to get rid of all those bottles. 34:04 Wives are so that they don't have to have all these bottles on their countertop anymore with all the clutter. 34:08 That's nice as well. 34:09 It saves money. 34:11 When you're buying 16 different bottles, that is a very expensive investment when you are buying that many bottles. 34:17 So it's nice to have one stop shops. 34:19 And Dr. 34:20 you just extremely passionate with what you doing and you can just feel the vibration, the energy that comes off of you. 34:27 You have your own success story. 34:29 I mean you a survivor yourself. 34:31 Yeah. 34:32 so I want to talk about that because I think that's part of why you so passionate about helping people take control of their health. 34:41 Thank you so much Sam and you're exactly right, you know my purpose in life is really to help others attain their vitality during chronic illness, 34:52 massive health adversity, and then flourish after. 34:54 And I've been able to just, I think, really elegantly demonstrate that. 34:58 It just is truly blissful to be at this point in my life to see the same thing in the patients. 35:04 Because I'm just one person sitting here, but I see this same level of vital in patients, But it was a few weeks into medical school, 35:11 that I wasn't feeling well. 35:12 I was healthy my entire life. 35:14 My parents raised me very healthy. 35:16 It was just, we were, We loved it. 35:19 As four years old, like I shared with you, I loved longevity medicine. 35:22 I love being healthy, my favorite childhood memory was truly going to the health food store. 35:26 So I was this really unique child, but I would read health extensions in the seventh grade. 35:32 And so I really was into this stuff early on. 35:34 When Danny called me before him, and I'm like, i'm your girl. 35:36 There's no one else. 35:38 No one can touch me, trust me. 35:40 Super exciting, selfishly I get to help Create and co-create, you know the solutions that I've been dreaming of for my entire life, 35:47 but Wasn't feeling good and couldn't figure it out and I saw several doctors and they said it was even in my head So I collapsed on my way home from medical
Dr. Musilum's health journey and transplant recovery 35:57 school and it's diagnosed a stage four diffuse larger B-cell lymphoma I was given three months to live without treatment. 36:02 This is in 2000 and 20 months live with treatment I had chemo vomero transplant radiation And I'm scared And then, unfortunately, 36:13 though, in 2003, after having very advanced treatments, this was before the rituximab, which is a little more of a targeted therapy for lymphomas, 36:21 was available. 36:22 They had to do radiation right to my chest because I had a 16 centimeter mass that was wrapped around my heart. 36:27 and compressing my great vessels. 36:29 That's why I collapsed. 36:29 I couldn't get any blood up to the brain. 36:32 So obviously the radiation had to go right to heart. 36:35 Shortly after my treatment, I went into cardiogenic shock and I was diagnosed with advanced heart failure with an ejection fraction of 8%. So I lived with 36:45 heart failure actually for 18 years, 18 from the year 2003. And during that time, I had a near death experience in 2016 at a cardiac arrest with an a systole 36:57 and a four minute near-death experience. 36:59 Following that, that was in two thousand sixteen, they just no longer could really help my heart with any other procedure. 37:06 So it was listed for heart transplant. 37:08 And I was given the gift of life in 2021, a heart transplant on February 5th. 37:14 So it's pretty exciting. 37:15 It is incredible. 37:17 You know, so I lived 18 years and I still really I think had a normal vital, I did pretty well, but life was so hard. 37:26 I mean, it was like I was just living with such resistance, and I didn't realize it until now. 37:31 And now my life is effortless. 37:33 It's just so easy. 37:35 So I figured how could I really help to convey this message of how important it is. 37:40 God has a plan for you. 37:41 Oh, for sure. 37:42 I mean, it really is, that's amazing. 37:46 It's such a blessing. 37:48 And you're doing it. 37:49 You're taking that plan, you are making your mission out of it, so. 37:53 Well, its just been a joy, and I thought to myself, Sometimes you have to do something extraordinary to have people listen. 38:03 And so I said, I'll run a marathon on my one-year heart transplant anniversary, because no one had done that. 38:06 Wow. 38:07 So as I'm coming out of my heart transplants, it took me a few days before they can even extubate me. 38:13 I was very sick going into the transplant. 38:16 I thought you may have promised something that is not going to happen. 38:19 I couldn't even walk. 38:20 My calf muscles were indented. 38:22 It was so deconditioned. 38:23 And I was in the hospital for a month after my transplant. 38:28 Every moment I could, after the transplant, I would walk and ask the nurses, hey, can you unhook me? 38:34 Those poor nurses are just saints. 38:36 They helped me. 38:38 Every hour get out of that bed just keep on walking and walking walking And I kept on doing that more and more And started kind of trotting and then jogging 38:45 and running and so I ran a full marathon on my one-year heart transplant That is amazing. 38:50 It was amazing and David you run too, right? 38:52 Yeah, I do I 30 years ago I used to be more competitive I decided this year that I wanted to change things up and you need a big hairy audacious goal to 39:01 Change things typically so I said, you know, I'm gonna do a marathon again and I back into it. 39:06 That's amazing. 39:07 So I am looking to get into running. 39:09 Our producer here, Lowe's, he's got a running club. 39:12 It's called No Sleep Running Club. 39:13 He's here out of Miami. 39:15 Which he has a lot of celebrities that they get together and people in the community and they go running and, they're doing, 39:22 what is it Lows, the jelly roll thing over here on the West Coast? 39:28 Oh yeah, that's his loser 5k, whatever, yeah yeah. 39:32 I've heard about that, sounds exciting. 39:36 It's amazing. 39:37 So yeah, after the show, we definitely gotta, I want you guys to see what he has going on. 39:42 And it's something that we've been following closely. 39:44 I've the following close with Los because he's a big part of the team. 39:47 Right. 39:48 Hearing you, guys, that you run, maybe it is something we all do together. 39:51 We are gonna do this. 39:52 This is great. 39:54 It is funny, there's this surf, so I live in Laguna Beach primarily, it where a lot of surf brands come out of Stussy and brands like Quicksilver and Billabong, 40:02 et cetera, land in the US there. 40:05 And a lot of these brands are now transitioning to run clubs. 40:09 Like yesterday I was telling Don, I went for a seven mile run or six mile and then worked out in the gym and I'm running home and there were amazing waves 40:17 so I want for surf for couple hours. 40:18 I said I am exhausted by the end of it. 40:20 But I think that's kind of the fun of it is people are starting to realize you can't just do one thing. 40:25 Even just running at my age, I'd probably waste away and get a little thin. 40:28 So I'm going to the gym and doing some resistance training, obviously surfing still because I love that, and then ski and run. 40:35 And I that combination gives you that functional muscle. 40:38 One of our athletes, Ken Rideout, who's in his 50s, he's won the Gobies, won these ultra marathons. 40:45 He's got this Massachusetts accent, which is amazing, but he's like, why are people just working out? 40:50 What are they gonna win, best in the gym? 40:54 And you see some of that on Instagram where I much prefer working for something that you're gonna deeply enjoy doing in nature, 41:00 right? 41:02 of running and the fun of surfing, et cetera. 41:04 My whole thing has always been like going mountain biking. 41:07 I love just going out, being in nature and just getting on the trails and connect with nature. 41:14 Just be out there, getting the heart going. 41:17 But amazing stuff, amazing. 41:19 So right now we have a big movement that's happening called the Maha Movement. 41:24 Make America Healthy Again. 41:26 How does everything that you guys are doing fit into the whole Maja Movement? 41:30 What do you guys think about the MAHA movement? 41:33 You know, for me, you know my practice is food is medicine. 41:36 So for, me it fits perfect. 41:39 We are also working on a regenerative farm project at Mayo Clinic for this very reason to help not just have a solution for the micronutrient deficiencies, 41:47 these nutrient gaps, but also to helping. 41:49 This is in partnership with Danny and Pernetix and IMA that in support of what we really want to do beyond this is, hey, 41:56 let's try to figure out how can we make the produce better? 41:59 So we're doing an amazing project at Mayo Clinic. 42:02 It's in development at this point that is AI technology driven regenerative farming. 42:07 So more to come on that. 42:09 Again, a lot of this stuff is still in conversation that we are really excited to make these major announcements. 42:15 Um, it's a little too early to Make all the detailed announcements, but we Are really exciting to have this partnership and ongoing support with IM8 in 42:21 this space. 42:22 No, I think that's right. 42:23 It's a holistic approach. 42:24 There is no silver bullet. 42:25 I wish I could say that IM8 was a silver-bullet, but it's really not. 42:29 Right? 42:29 It is a component, and we need to look at the whole person. 42:33 You've both been talking about that really well. 42:36 When I lived in Germany, we noticed that things that are what they call bio are organic. 42:41 We take these carrots home. 42:42 And I've never seen a carrot go bad in the United States of America. 42:45 But carrots will go back in your fridge after maybe a couple of weeks in German. 42:49 And I think there's this, we live in France part of the year now, too. 42:53 And, you know, I can eat bread in france. 42:55 I don't feel bloated. 42:56 Don't put on weight. 42:57 It just feels good. 42:59 But they don' have the same modified grains that we do. 43:02 You know it's baked fresh where you get it. 43:03 There's not a lot of preservatives in it I Think there is a whole movement to get back to just eating better and finding more nutrient dense foods and 43:11 find ways to grow it better so we're getting what we think we are getting in the fruits and vegetables and the whole grains and proteins that were taking. 43:18 But I think all of those things work together and, you know, look, we've got to move our bodies. 43:23 We've gotta eat better. 43:24 we gotta get the sleep. 43:25 And we were talking about Auraring. 43:26 I mean, I've lost two of them. 43:29 But the thing that I noticed, and I'm now in my 50s, was my sleep wasn't always easy to get. 43:38 When you wear an Aurering or some kind of a whoop or someone with these devices, it's gonna tell you that you're not sleeping well. 43:45 And it doesn't necessarily fix it, but it brings it to our attention. 43:49 And I think, you know, the things that we measure, we manage, right? 43:51 And so the more that can measure things, when we were talking, were spending a lot of time with Function Health, talking to them about what they're doing,
Running, MAHA, and the future of preventive health 43:58 they don't- Yeah, Mark Hyman and yeah, that's the whole team there. 44:04 Look, what I love about Funktion Health is they are helping people get not only a baseline measurement, But ongoing measurements, 44:09 because a base line will tell you, what you did in the past, but it won't tell you how you're interacting with your environment and your nutrition as you 44:16 move through life, right? 44:17 And if anyone who's ever gone to see a doctor, you know, if you are going to have your blood pressure measured and you going have you cholesterol measured, 44:23 and all of those key markers, You probably want to make sure that you on your best behavior the night before. 44:29 And you probably wanna make that sure you not having a couple shots of espresso before you sit down in that chair to get have a blood draw or have blood 44:36 your pressure taken. 44:37 There's a lot of those things, a lotta those environmental factors that if you're only taking one snapshot at one time, it's not necessarily a great indicator 44:43 of your overall picture. 44:45 And so, coming into a longevity clinic and getting those regularly updated measurements where you can start to see the impact and start the see difference that, 44:55 hey, maybe I shouldn't be drinking all the time. 44:57 That was a big one for me. 44:57 I was very good social drinker. 45:00 Still am, but I've learned that I probably need to just drink a whole lot less. 45:05 And you think that being able to actually see that data and trending it totally has changed your mind for me it has because because you're I'm looking 45:15 at I Start to realize how important sleep is how much better I feel when I have a great night's sleep as an example When I've hydrated well, 45:21 you know when a drink my magnesium in the morning. 45:23 I'd have magnesium Drink that I like in a morning But when you're well hydrated, when sleep well, eating well and not partying all the time, 45:32 you just feel better. 45:34 And I think you start to realize, those things were fun when I was younger maybe for a period of time. 45:40 But it's not a way to live. 45:42 So it starts to help you see the benefits and the difference. 45:46 We're very lucky living in Laguna Beach because we don't have an obesity problem there. 45:50 Most people who live there are very active. 45:52 We eat very well. 45:53 I mean, we eat, you know, kind of the way the rest of United States is starting to eat now where it's, in the 70s we had a thing called the stand, 46:00 which, was doing juicing and all of these vitamins, through fruit and vegetables. 46:06 And I think, you know, I'm always thinking, how do we help people embrace this and not feel like they're missing something? 46:12 Of course. 46:12 I mean, when somebody stops drinking or stops using drugs, it's not about not doing the thing. 46:18 It's more about what are you going to replace that hole in your life with, with something much better than what you were doing before? 46:23 Exactly. 46:24 And when you can feel better doing something else, when can you feel the improvement in your life, there's no reason to go back. 46:29 And so I think with, again, getting back to IMA, one of the things that we were trying to do is not just say, hey, this is better for you. 46:35 Hey, look at our components and parts. 46:38 Look at how this whole thing works in our life. 46:40 You tell us what it's doing for you. 46:42 I don't want to make a big claim because it is going to be a little different for everybody with the synergistic benefits. 46:46 Yes, we do have clinical doses. 46:48 We are measuring this with Eurofins and NSF to ensure that it has what we say is in it. 46:54 But ultimately, it affects your life and actually makes your lives better. 46:59 That is the only thing that really matters. 47:01 And it will be different because of those synergic benefits for everyone. 47:05 Absolutely. 47:05 As we wrap up here, Doc, If there's someone listening right now and they resonate with everything that we've said, what is one thing that you can leave 47:18 them with for them to take that step forward? 47:22 Yeah, thank you, Sam. 47:23 Thank you for having us here. 47:24 You know, you have to show it for yourself. 47:27 Life is not easy, but you have to show up for yourself. 47:31 You have make sure that you're eating nutritiously. 47:34 This is a not a solution for that. 47:36 So you've got to get rid of the ultra-processed foods. 47:39 you got eat more vegetables and fruits because of like we talked about some of modern day farming techniques using a supplement like IMA to close those 47:47 nutrient gaps is very important. 47:49 And then everyone wants to feel a little bit better than just average. 47:52 and so then you those additional ingredients and they're like the CoQ10. 47:55 to really help that energy and that support of the body. 47:58 And so I really feel that that would be my biggest message is being sure to just move the buddy regularly, avoid those toxic substances, 48:06 really take interest in getting adequate sleep. 48:10 I just don't think enough people put value on health. 48:14 until they've had health adversity strike. 48:16 So you want to be proactive and stay healthy for the rest of your life. 48:20 Don't wait for a diagnosis to come your way. 48:23 Do that before the case. 48:25 Absolutely. 48:26 David, you wanna add anything to that? 48:28 I don't think there's a way to top Don Moose Salem, so I'm just going to say thank you for having us today. 48:34 It's been really powerful. 48:35 I love listening to your podcast. 48:37 There's so many new ways to live healthier that we're discovering. 48:43 And I think what's sort of exciting about the Maha movement is your there's no stone left unturned. 48:48 You're looking broadly, you're digging deep, your finding some things that can really help people and allowing people to discover these new paths to health 48:55 and wellness that maybe we didn't know about before. 48:57 And that's the best part of living in 2025. I love it, I loved it. 49:00 Where can people find you guys? 49:03 So im8health.com is our website for IM8 and we're IM 8 health on Instagram and Facebook and TikTok. 49:12 Alright, so guys, it was a pleasure having you guys on the podcast and we're definitely going to share all of this and all the links with everyone here 49:22 and I'm excited to see what there is to come and i know there's a lot to Come with ima and We're all gonna stay tuned to figure it out. 49:28 Thank you. 49:29 Awesome. 49:29 Yeah. 49:29 Thanks a lots Guys, as you guys heard, Doc said it, you gotta show up for yourself. 49:35 If not, fall in that whole reactive portion of medicine. 49:40 You have to be proactive. 49:41 Show up. 49:42 Make sure you follow these guys. 49:44 Look at the product. 49:45 There's a lot of science behind it and they got a lotta great things cooking. 49:48 All right, make sure follow, subscribe, tap, share, do all that fun stuff and we'll see you for the next one.
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