Full Transcript Early Symptoms and Diagnosis 0:00 Before that, I hadn't, no, this was just me getting to the point of getting my diagnosis. 0:03 I went to this chiropractor and bless them. 0:05 They were the ones who were like, something's not right. 0:07 Like I probably went twice a week for a couple of weeks and they realized like this woman is deteriorating, not getting better. 0:15 So one of the chiopractors there referred me. 0:17 He said, you need to go get some blood work. 0:19 And actually, when I took the blood work to it, I didn't even have really a general practitioner, but I found one in my neighborhood. 0:25 And when i showed her the list of bloodwork that he wanted me to run, she said, okay, i'm not running these. 0:30 This is like for cancer and stuff. 0:31 I was like, oh, goodness. 0:32 Um, and she was leaving on vacation the next day. 0:35 She said I'll call you when back from vacation. 0:36 Well, She called me from like the airport. 0:39 the next day and she said we got to get you in for more tests and I was like what? 0:43 Welcome to the resiliency method the truth about healing. 0:47 I'm Dr. 0:47 Erica and we are here to uncover the root causes keeping you stuck. 0:51 Together we'll restore your energy your focus and your resiliency so you can finally heal regenerate and feel truly alive again. 1:04 She was told she'd be in a wheelchair, that her spine would progressively fuse, and that she would never ski again. 1:11 And her latest x-rays? 1:14 Zero fusion. 1:16 No sign of ankle spondylitis whatsoever. 1:19 Welcome to the Resiliency Method, the Truth About Healing podcast. 1:23 I'm Dr. 1:24 Erica, and today Lyric Turner, now one of our core practitioners and trained in the resiliency method, shares her 20-year-old journey from being offered $10,000 1:35 a month injections to now eating sourdough toast every morning with zero symptoms. 1:42 After three months of antibiotics in a Honduran hospital that destroyed her gut at age 21, conventional medicine gave her a life sentence. 1:50 And now she walked out of that rheumatologist's office and she's never looked back. 1:55 Today she is helping others do the same. 1:57 If you've been told your condition is permanent, it's genetic, its irreversible, or requires lifelong medications, this conversation proves otherwise. 2:06 Welcome back, everyone, to the Resiliency Method, the Truth About Healing podcast. 2:10 I'm Dr. 2:10 Erica, and today I am joined with Lyric Turner. 2:13 She is one of the core practitioners in the resiliency method. 2:21 And she's here to share with us today her health story, her journey, all the things that got her onto the path of having the desire to help others. 2:30 Welcome Lyric, we're excited to hear from you today. 2:33 Thank you. 2:34 And have you a part of this podcast so people can get to know you little bit better. 2:38 Lyrick has been working with me for the last seven years and has a faithful practitioner, colleague, and friend. 2:45 Oh, thanks. 2:46 Welcome. 2:47 Thanks. 2:47 I'm happy to be here. 2:48 Yeah. 2:48 So we wanted to start out by having Lyric share her health journey from the very beginning. 2:54 And what got you to the point where you were in a situation needing to take action on your health? 2:59 What led you there? 3:00 Yeah, well, I mean, gosh, it goes all the way back to college for me is probably when I first started experiencing health issues. 3:10 But it took a long time to get from that. 3:12 That was in 1997. And it took a long time to get from that point to finally getting a diagnosis and then from point getting, 3:22 landing on your doorstep. 3:23 So really a 20 year journey. 3:28 How long of that do you think, how many years were you kind of caught up in the rigmar of the conventional Western medical model? 3:34 And what happened inside of what kind diagnosis were given? 3:38 Yeah. 3:40 Well, I started having probably like digestive issues, but I guess I didn't really probably identify them as digestive issue. 3:48 But when I was in college, I did a semester abroad in Honduras and came down with both Giardia and parasitic amoebas at the same time, 3:57 was hospitalized when it was down there. 3:59 Were you out of the country when you're hospitalized? 4:01 Yes, so I hospitalized in a Honduran hospital. 4:04 Oh boy. 4:07 And I was put on crazy amounts of antibiotics. 4:10 I pretty much was on antibiotics straight for three months, including probably another, who knows what they put me on in the hospital, 4:17 but really probably wiped out my entire gut immune system. 4:23 And so looking back, I'm like, oh, that's where it all started. 4:26 How old were you then? 4:27 I But fast forward a couple years, really, I started having back pain. 4:37 I can remember the first time I had horrible backpain was actually the year before I got married. 4:46 And I married in 2003. My husband will tell you that those first couple of years of marriage, he was like, oh dear, what did I get myself into in terms 4:58 of marrying somebody who was kind of in chronic pain? 5:02 I had MRIs and bone scans and all kinds of tests to look at various different... 5:10 I have lots of different things wrong with me, I guess. 5:13 It was kind of like always something. 5:17 It really wasn't until 2010 though that I finally got a diagnosis, like a clear diagnosis and that happened because I had been experiencing really, 5:28 I guess, you know, just kind of low level inflammation that had exacerbated to the point where I have kind a low grade fever all the time.
Chiropractor Referral and Bloodwork 5:38 was in constant pain with my back, had no energy, my hair was falling out, I had horrible skin. 5:46 I was just falling apart. 5:49 My husband actually thought I have cancer. 5:51 That's how bad, that's like how unwell I You had no kids at this point? 5:57 No, I did. 5:58 I had two little kids and I felt like I could. 6:01 And with each pregnancy, did you feel like it kind of took you a notch down? 6:05 Uh-huh. 6:05 Yeah. 6:06 That's common for a lot of women. 6:10 And actually before, okay, so in 2009, probably before I started having those severe symptoms. 6:18 In 2009 I had freak gallbladder attack and went to the hospital with crazy pain and didn't know what that was and woke up the next morning without my gall bladder, 6:28 which I was told was Oh, it's an organ you don't need. 6:31 It's a outdated organ. 6:35 Not one of the modern organs? 6:37 No, not a modern organ, an old organ that's useless. 6:41 The thymus gland. 6:42 That just atrophies, triples up. 6:44 No importance. 6:45 I can remember my doctor after when I woke up without a gallbladder and I was like, Isn't that important? 7:00 Don't we need that?" And he was like, oh, you're going to be fine. 7:04 I was, like any advice you have for me? 7:07 And, he's like oh you are good. 7:09 No, nothing. 7:10 Cut it out. 7:11 Yeah. 7:11 Nobody told me, I don't know, something like a 70% maybe higher chance of risk of non-alcoholic fatty liver disease if you don' have a gallbladder. 7:23 So anyways, a year later is when I was diagnosed with enclosing spondylitis and that diagnosis came about after my health had really deteriorated by that 7:32 point where I just was in so much pain. 7:35 I went to see a chiropractor actually because at that time I felt like Western medicine has any answers for me. 7:42 Like I had already gone down that path. 7:45 earlier with trying so many different tests and diagnostics that didn't give me any answers. 7:51 And so I thought a chiropractor will at least help me with this pain maybe. 7:55 Maybe it's just an adjustment I need. 7:58 We had showed you during that time to get to that diagnosis that you had some like what discoloration on the x-ray. 8:07 No, no, before that I hadn't. 8:08 This was just me getting to the point of getting my diagnosis. 8:11 I went to this chiopracter and bless them, they were the ones who were like, something's not right. 8:17 Like I probably went twice a week for a couple of weeks and they realized like this woman is deteriorating, not getting better. 8:28 So one of the chiropractors there referred me, he said, I think you need to go get some blood work. 8:34 That's when I was like my husband's like oh my God dude, yeah, you have cancer. 8:39 And actually, when I took the blood work to it, I didn't even have really a general practitioner, but I found one in my neighborhood. 8:46 And when showed her the list of bloodwork that he wanted me to run, she said, look, this is for cancer and stuff. 8:52 I was like, oh, goodness. 8:55 She was leaving on vacation the next day, and she called me from the airport. 9:01 the next day and she said, we got to get you in for more tests. 9:04 And that was like, what? 9:07 She's like yeah, your, uh, blood works really bad. 9:11 Can you describe for the audience really what that really is in its truest nature, that condition? 9:17 Enclosing spondylitis. 9:19 Yes. 9:19 So, yeah, so that's what ultimately led me to get the diagnosis of enclosing of spodylosis that more blood work led to that, 9:25 which actually they just determine that diagnosis through symptoms and then a genetic marker that if like something like 5% of the population has this 9:37 genetic market and 95% people who have the genetic you know, if combined with these symptoms, they say it's ankylosing spondylitis. 9:46 So anklosing is a chronic inflammatory disease of the spine. 9:50 It's a form of spinal arthritis, but it leads to the fusion of your vertebrae of it can cause a lot of, you know, obviously back pain, 10:01 but also hip pain. 10:03 And it also has like a, there's another aspect of it that actually affects your eyes. 10:09 Totally blanking on the name of that. 10:10 But what got you to the point? 10:13 So you're on this journey, and you've got your label now. 10:16 We call that a label, right? 10:18 You've Did they give you treatment options at that point?
Ankylosing Spondylitis and Conventional Treatment 10:22 What were they saying for you? 10:25 Yeah. 10:26 My diagnosis came from a rheumatologist and he was really frank and candid as like, this is a progressively worsening disease and we're going to manage 10:36 it with... 10:37 First of all, he just put me on a bunch of steroids and high dose anti-inflammatories, which did get things under control. 10:44 But it was obviously like you can't be on prednisone for... 10:48 for very long. 10:49 And so then his solution was just a series of different drugs to manage the symptoms. 11:00 One was an injection therapy that I would take monthly that was $10,000 a month, but my insurance would cover it. 11:08 So no big deal. 11:11 I looked into the side effects and whatnot of these drugs, and they all have really bad side-effects. 11:17 And I asked him about that at a follow-up appointment. 11:21 He said, well, don't worry about. 11:22 We'll put you on other prescriptions we can write to help manage those symptoms. 11:26 I was working with a personal trainer at the time. 11:36 like a small group trainer. 11:37 And I went into my class probably the next, the day and was just cried to him like, you know, tears, literal tears. 11:44 Just like I, this is, I don't know what to do. 11:47 Like this, is this not what I envisioned for my life to be on all these drugs. 11:53 and he, he said, You know Lyric, need to put together your team. 11:57 So you need a team and nobody's going to look out for you about your health more than you. 12:04 He said, you need a team of people who are gonna help you through this. 12:08 He's like, it's probably, your rheumatologist could be part of that team or not, but get more answers basically was his. 12:16 his response. 12:16 And I'm so grateful for that advice. 12:19 I kind of picked myself up off the floor after that and was like, okay, you're right. 12:24 Checked out books on inflammation. 12:28 Just started educating myself on this. 12:30 Found a naturopath within a week or two of that conversation and wanted to get just another opinion. 12:40 She's the one who ran blood work and did stool samples and the whole nine yards and found that my gut immune system was completely wiped out. 12:47 So I started getting some more clarity of like, oh, there's more to this than just you have bad genes. 12:55 And that's oftentimes the story that people are getting about their health is that it's genetic, so sorry, and we'll do the best we can to help you manage 13:05 with medications. 13:06 And then when those medications cause side effects, we manage the side-effects with medication. 13:11 Yeah. 13:12 Very little curiosity from that set about what would... 13:18 I mean, even if they understand epigenetics, like, you know, the turning on and off of genes, that they wouldn't ask that question, 13:25 well, why, let's dig deeper here. 13:27 Yeah. 13:28 We are seeing more medical doctors, more functional medicine doctors wanting to get more curious. 13:33 I know. 13:33 This was 16 years ago. 13:34 It wasn't a lot, right? 13:40 I went back to my rheumatologist after I had met with that naturopath and the natropath had determined through blood work that I was like through the roof, 13:49 off the charts, gluten-sensitive. 13:52 And I immediately stopped eating gluten and like 80% of my symptoms improved within a couple of weeks. 14:00 More to talk about on that front, but we'll come back that. 14:05 I went back, I bounced into that rheumatologist's office like so excited to report to him that I was feeling so much better because I had stopped eating 14:13 gluten and that, you know, that... 14:14 I felt like there was something I could do that wasn't just medication-based. 14:17 He completely dismissed me on that. 14:20 I remember, so clearly remember I telling him my story and all the things I And he's, you know, I don't know doing something on his computer. 14:29 And then he looked up afterwards and he goes, um, well, it's fine. 14:32 Like I'm fine with you doing all that herbal junk. 14:35 Uh, but at the end of the day, like you're going to need to, these are, this is the course that the treatment we're gonna take and you'll, 14:41 we'll gonna start you on this medication. 14:44 I'm not going to do that. 14:46 Yeah. 14:48 I mean, I wish I had more wherewithal to give them more of a piece of my mind about that, but it is what it. 14:56 So I walked out of that office today and never went back. 14:58 And you never when back? 15:00 No, and then what happened? 15:03 Yeah, well, just to tell you the end of the story, right now I just got x-rays done a couple months ago. 15:11 on my spine and there is absolutely zero fusion. 15:14 In fact, the x-ray report came back, no sign of enclosing spondylitis. 15:25 But I was told, in fact I went to see a physical therapist during all of that. 15:31 they referred me to a physical therapist and she was like, well, you're going to probably be in a wheelchair. 15:35 Oh, wow. 15:36 Amazing. 15:37 Yeah. 15:37 She said you'll be on a wheel chair at some point, but you know, down the road and you will never be able to ski again. 15:44 It was just like... 15:46 Where's the hope? 15:47 Yeah, so... 15:48 You know they're doing the best they can with the determinants, the knowledge that they have. 15:54 And their skill set and their tool set is what? 15:57 A drug or a scalpel, I always say that, right? 15:59 It's a drug, or scalple. 16:02 And they did the best for you that they could with their drug. 16:06 You weren't qualified at that point for a Scalpel yet, you probably would have been eventually. 16:12 But they were doing the Best they Could with the tools that They had. 16:16 Then what happened? 16:17 Because you walked out that door and then... 16:21 So then started my... 16:22 so that was in 2010 and that started a whole other journey of going down an alternative, you know, therapeutic route. 16:30 So naturopaths, two different naturpath, acupuncturists, chiropractic. 16:36 and diet. 16:40 Like I said, I got my symptoms reduced by about 80% by just stopping eating gluten, but I had to have a super restricted diet, 16:49 like if I would eat a french fry that was fried in a fryer with breaded stuff, i would have flare up. 16:57 If I went to a potluck and ate something that I thought was gluten-free, it turns out the person made it with soy sauce, 17:04 I would have a flare-up. 17:05 Like there was land. 17:06 I was that girl. 17:07 Land mines everywhere. 17:09 The girl in the bubble. 17:10 Are you tied to treatments, protocols, and gurus who promise results but don't deliver? 17:14 You're not alone. 17:15 For years I struggled with my own long-term illness and I know how frustrating it feels when nothing seems to work.
Diet Changes and Alternative Care 17:22 That's why I developed the resiliency method. 17:24 It's a science-backed approach to combining the best of Western and ancient medicines to restore your body's natural intelligence. 17:31 Patient after patient has discovered what's possible, living stronger, brighter, and more spiritually connected than ever before. 17:39 Whether you're facing autoimmune issues, hormonal imbalances, weight struggles, or just feeling stuck, you don't need another quick fix. 17:46 You need a clear path forward. 17:48 Take the first step with a discovery call at drericaonline.com forward slash discovery. 17:54 That's D-R-E- R-I-K-A online. 17:59 com forward, slash, discovery, or dive deeper with the full initial consultation at Dr. 18:04 Erica online dot com, forward slashed initial dash consultation, because your health, your clarity and your freedom cannot wait. 18:28 Yes. 18:29 Yeah. 18:29 And so, and it does, it works for a while, right? 18:32 It does. 18:33 No. 18:33 I mean, well, I was like resigned to it's better than it was before at least, but I would have these flare-ups, pretty frequently too. 18:41 When I had a flare up, couldn't walk. 18:44 It would take me, 30 minutes to get from my bed to the bathroom because of the pain. 18:56 you know, like, so it by no means was where things resolved. 19:01 I just knew how to manage it pretty well to keep those from happening too often. 19:08 And I really did I'm kind of at that point, I guess I had, it was a little bit resigned to like this is as good as it's going to get. 19:17 So you were, I'm hearing a few things, resigned. 19:20 I mean, you got results. 19:23 You saw improvements, but I am hearing restricted. 19:26 And hearing resigned... 19:27 Well, and then meanwhile, the rest of my health was still kind of deteriorating because again, we hadn't really gotten to the root cause. 19:34 Gluten was not the real cause... 19:36 Glutton wasn't the cause? 19:37 Come on. 19:38 That glyphosate? 19:39 Yeah, no, nope. 19:40 It still wasn' the reason? 19:41 It was the not cause, so... 19:44 My thyroid, I went to see what I thought was a more holistic functional medicine doctor in, and I guess like late 2016 because I was, 19:59 my energy was tanked. 20:00 I felt, yeah, super lots of afternoon fatigue. 20:04 My husband had gotten to this doctor and had been diagnosed with Epstein-Barr virus. 20:10 and was put on some herbal treatment. 20:14 It wasn't a drug, and he felt better afterwards. 20:17 Yeah, pretty common. 20:18 Lots of the population are walking around with that in there. 20:21 And so I thought, well, maybe I have that. 20:24 I'm living with this guy with FC virus, so maybe that's what my problem is too. 20:27 So I went to see her as well. 20:30 she, my blood work came back and she was like, oh you have low, low you know, you're still in the normal range for your thyroid hormones, 20:39 but they're on the low level. 20:40 So I'm just gonna, I think you should go on levothyroxine. 20:43 Yes. 20:43 I forgot about that for you. 20:44 You were on that when you first came, to see me, weren't you? 20:47 Well, no, because I went on it and was in like literally like in I was on for maybe two months or something. 20:54 And I gained 14 pounds. 20:55 Oh, that's right. 20:56 Had the opposite effect on me. 20:59 I felt like I was having panic attacks, like heart palpitations. 21:03 I feel like garbage, which is a thing that could happen with that drug. 21:09 Your body can actually respond to complete opposites. 21:11 It can happen to any drug, right? 21:13 Any drug can do that. 21:14 If it's the wrong drug... 21:15 Yeah. 21:15 And thank goodness I had a friend who was a nurse, and she's a one when I explained what I'm going through. 21:21 She was like, you should look at the side effects of that drugs. 21:23 Google them. 21:25 Yeah, usually the sign effects The same thing that they are supposed to be helping you with. 21:32 Yeah. 21:33 So I called the doctor the next day and I said, I don't think this medication is working the way it's supposed do for me. 21:38 And she said let's have you come in and do some more blood work. 21:41 She does and she calls me a week later and he's like, your bloodwork looks great. 21:44 Your thyroid's doing great, keep taking it. 21:47 I'm like my head explode emoji. 21:53 I was like, no, I'm not doing that. 21:58 I feel like garbage. 22:01 And blowing up and I felt like I had a constant panic attack. 22:08 So that was my next experience. 22:11 She had her feet in both Western and Eastern medicine. 22:16 I just stopped taking the medication and my weight did not budge. 22:22 My heart palpitations stopped, but I was like, well, I'm going to go to the gym and diet and exercise really hard and lose this weight. 22:31 And a couple months into that, maybe I lost a half a pound. 22:36 Your brochure was in the gyms. 22:39 Yeah. 22:40 Yeah, and I picked it up one day and it said, it had this little list of bullet points on it and said you know, have you tried both Eastern and Western 22:49 and alternative approaches to fix your health problems without getting a resolution? 22:55 Is it affecting your family life, your finances, you career? 22:59 I mean it was like every single little thing on that bullet point list was, I was yes, yes. 23:05 That's me. 23:06 And I can remember thinking, okay I'm going to try one more thing. 23:10 Nothing else had worked. 23:13 You know, like I tried naturopath, you know. 23:17 Everything made a little bit of a difference, but I mean I had one natropath tell me that she had run out of tools in her toolbox to help me. 23:23 She was like, I'm kind of at the end of where I can help you any further. 23:28 Yeah, so that's how I landed in your office. 23:31 And I was really like. 23:32 I am going to try this last thing and if this doesn't work then. 23:36 I don't know what I was going to do, but it was, I guess, give up. 23:38 Yeah. 23:39 Well, you coming in with like an open heart and a gaggle of kids and three kids, lots of curiosity and interest, which I think was a great place to start 23:50 from for sure. 23:51 But yeah, a lot of frustration too. 23:54 And then we gave you a little bit more hope. 23:57 That started the path of looking more at and beyond the root cause question. 24:06 Right. 24:07 Yeah, well, really, I mean, something resonated there that, you know, that you, know you must have said to me in the very beginning, 24:16 which is that our bodies have the capacity to heal. 24:19 We need to get back to that. 24:24 That, like intuitively I knew that my body could heal, but there's just, we need take away those blockades to the healing. 24:34 So you gave me hope and kind of a restored confidence in my own body's ability to... 24:43 Well, let's take that for a second because it has a pretty important significant factor, right? 24:47 It's like the patients that I've had seen through the years, and I just had this conversation with one recently who's been trying to do both the natural
Joining the Resiliency Method 24:58 or alternative, whatever you want to call us, witchy path. 25:05 And trying to also take significant medications that are lowering cholesterol levels and things like that. 25:16 And that's an axiom, I think, and a starting point for this work is it's almost like when somebody lights up and knows that truth because all I did was 25:29 remind you of that. 25:31 And you already knew it and you were like, yes, you are right. 25:35 My body is smart. 25:36 It knows how to heal. 25:37 I mean, it's amazing. 25:38 You just have to watch childbirth and know how miraculous our bodies are. 25:43 That in and of itself, this works when people can really, truly, fully resonate with that notion. 25:55 that very core truth that we are all made perfect in design. 26:00 We are designed to heal, to overcome illness. 26:05 It doesn't matter your genetic picture, your limitations as described by Western medicine, you'll be on this medication forever, 26:16 whatever it might be. 26:18 Your body was made to And starting from that point, I've always seen the people that make the greatest patients and get the great results are people who 26:27 start with that. 26:28 That intention. 26:30 Yeah. 26:31 And remain in that space. 26:34 My body can and will heal. 26:36 Then we just started applying a process with you that helped organize that, put it into the right order and the amount at the time. 26:44 Right order of operations. 26:47 Not throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks, but instead going, going working with the body. 26:55 Right. 26:56 Yeah. 26:56 So at that time we said, yes, you should stay off the gluten. 27:00 At that we were like, there's some heavy metal here. 27:03 That time, we're like C-section scar. 27:05 C section scar that was interfering with your body's electrical system. 27:12 First thing, why we have also some. 27:17 and parasites to deal with. 27:20 I think you also had some fungal overgrowth because of all the antibiotic therapy. 27:25 So you were a little imbalanced. 27:27 Had like every stealth pathogen. 27:29 Yeah. 27:33 And we did that for a while and you got better and then what happened? 27:39 Well, I'm trying to think about timing of this, but I it was maybe at a year and a half in. 27:47 to my treatment with you where one day you were advertising that you're doing like a little course for other practitioners on nutrition response testing. 27:56 Okay. 27:56 Yeah. 27:57 And I was like, that looks really interesting. 28:00 I wish I could go to that. 28:01 You're like you should come. 28:02 Mm-hmm. 28:03 and you know, you are curious about this stuff. 28:05 you Should come and so I said, okay. 28:07 She was also very bright. 28:08 Oh, I noticed that too. 28:10 Well, thank you. 28:10 No, she quickly and easily absorbed information. 28:14 a little bit better than probably the average patient, so I could see the potential. 28:17 By that point, I'd done a lot of my own research. 28:20 You're an avid speaker. 28:24 Yeah. 28:24 I was curious from the functional side of what you did. 28:30 How does this work? 28:31 I want to dive into that a bit more. 28:33 So I just was going as a curious patient. 28:35 But after the class, I remember I went out to dinner with my husband and I was like, I feel like I missed my calling. 28:41 I felt like that's what I should be doing. 28:44 Instead of, you know, and not unhappy, but, uh, very successful at it. 28:54 Yeah. 28:55 Running a business from Colorado that was based out of Washington, DC. 29:02 High performing female. 29:06 Pretty phenomenal. 29:08 Yeah, I kind of do a lot of different things. 29:10 I have my hands on a lots of plates in the air. 29:14 But my husband was like, you're not too old to take on something new. 29:17 You should do it. 29:19 And that was, he gave me kind permission, to explore that mentally. 29:25 I went out for coffee one morning and talked about what that could look like. 29:29 You were so encouraging of it. 29:32 Yeah, so here I am. 29:35 Here you are. 29:36 Seven and a half, eight years later. 29:37 Working with patients, you got a clientele that is totally devoted to you and loves you. 29:44 And you're an incredible practitioner with great communication and open heart. 29:50 Oh, thank you. 29:51 And now I eat gluten every day. 29:53 Wait, what? 29:54 What are you talking about? 29:57 I ate my sourdough toast every morning with my eggs. 30:00 How? 30:00 How did you? 30:01 Yeah, so we discovered. 30:03 Yeah. 30:05 Telling the ending of the story before. 30:10 So, you know, I was already a practitioner at this point, but one of the things we learned along the way, and you and I are, 30:17 You first, follow right on your heels of looking at, we're constantly doing R&D, our own R and D. 30:27 Asking more questions. 30:29 That's the word practitioner, right? 30:31 We're always in practice. 30:33 And always uncovering, learning, discovering, and asking more questions. 30:37 Yeah, yep. 30:39 So as we were, you know, we're just like, We always say we are kind of just a couple steps ahead of our patients in terms of like our own health with this stuff. 30:51 We discovered that we fix the problem with why our bodies, you know, were having a problem, with gluten before, what was causing it. 31:00 It's not gluten, it's the root cause issue of your problems. 31:03 Yeah, but I had to still be out in the middle of the park with my friend, getting served a gluten bun, and having anaphylaxis, 31:11 having my friends take a cold laser up and down my spine before I figured this out. 31:17 Yes, yeah. 31:18 I mean, I've been gluten free for 12 years. 31:22 You were, I think, even longer than me, maybe, or we were probably about the same. 31:25 Yeah, and I wasn't any less sensitive. 31:28 I was getting more sensitive to it, the longer that I stayed off of it. 31:32 And then, well, then we created phases two and three. 31:38 So we did phase one. 31:39 Figure out phase and then- With the resiliency method. 31:42 You and were doing that, we call it the lovingly the merry-go-round. 31:47 But it's necessary work, but it was a place to start. 31:50 Did that for a couple of years. 31:51 We did that first. 31:52 Yeah, you did it for longer than you. 31:55 But yes, we were there and we did both. 31:58 Both did get great results from phase one. 32:02 The longer that we're on phase 1. And we were kind of spinning around with endless cycles of heavy metal cleanses, parasite cleansers. 32:12 Kind of bacteria again. 32:14 Another bacteria popping up. 32:15 No, it's fungus. 32:16 It's fungous. 32:17 We just sort of started to feel like chasing a tail a little bit. 32:23 Yeah. 32:24 Were you seeing some specific, I can't even recall. 32:27 the symptoms that you were having at that point when you are kind of on the merry-go-round long enough. 32:33 Did you have some things coming back or some thing weren't fully really resolving for you too?
Healing, Resilience, and Practitioner Growth 32:40 Oh, that's a good question. 32:44 Probably. 32:44 I mean, nothing ever like I did earlier, but I would have little flare ups. 32:51 Still having little flair ups, some skin stuff. 32:55 Some skin, yeah. 32:56 Yeah. 32:56 And I remember you having to be really tightly controlled and restrictive with your diet. 33:00 Oh, for sure. 33:01 Yes, I had to super restricted with my diet, walking the tight line. 33:05 with that. 33:06 Yeah. 33:08 Then you were still having cold sores too. 33:10 Oh yeah. 33:11 Although those had really improved a lot, but still getting sick a little bit. 33:16 Still getting a sick lot. 33:18 I had a really compromised immune system from the get-go. 33:22 you know, basically since college, since that fateful Honduras semester. 33:27 But yeah, so I was still, yeah I definitely on the marigold. 33:30 I mean, I think even just like the frustrating thing of like getting checked and be like, oh, now we have to like deal with this chemical toxicity again, 33:39 or now, we're going to deal this other parasite. 33:42 That we'd already gotten through that. 33:43 Nope, it's coming back, you Yeah, and then as I recall, this was kind of as we're entering up to 2020, you and I both were on the merry-go-round, 33:52 COVID happens. 33:54 And I think it was at this point, actually just before COVID, when we started to unwind phases two. 33:59 It was actually like January 2020 that I ate gluten again for the first time. 34:05 Oh, okay. 34:06 I remember. 34:06 So it pre-COVID era, then we were starting to unwine some things. 34:11 We were reverse the food sensitivities. 34:14 And then I remember we got to 2020 and a lot of our practitioner friends and colleagues were talking about how they were getting shed on. 34:22 Oh, it was 2021. They were seeing all these cases of being shed from vaccine exposure and having issues with that. 34:30 You and I are looking at each other going, we're not seeing that, why are we not seen that? 34:35 We have totally different experience in our clinic. 34:37 Yeah. 34:40 We were seeing too that people weren't really like being as disrupted by what was going on in the air. 34:46 We have a significant amount of air pollution in our area too. 34:50 not finding that our patients were as deterred by it. 34:52 And had I named it the resiliency method yet? 34:55 Okay. 34:56 Well, maybe ask about when it was born, that name or that title, because ultimately that's what we started seeing, right? 35:02 With our own selves, our bodies, creating more adaptability to our environments, reversing the food sensitivities and not through desensitization, 35:12 through actual gut immune system repair, rebuilding the thymus gland, making the body more resilient. 35:19 Yeah. 35:20 And that became kind of like, I know, a turning point for both of us because, you know it really, A lot of people were scared. 35:28 I saw during that time period that a lot people. 35:32 Were really locked down, afraid of what was going on in their environment, including our own knowledgeable healthcare professional colleagues. 35:42 and that there was an opportunity. 35:46 for us as healers to expand beyond restriction, constriction, and try to find more freedom in our lives. 35:55 And I know freedom was a big topic that a lot of us were confronting during that time period because they were trying to restrict us, 36:00 tell us what we needed to put in their bodies, um, Tell us that we were bad people if we didn't go along with them. 36:06 Like that was really hard time. 36:08 Yeah. 36:09 But I also saw that that's where we need it. 36:11 That was our next level as practitioners and healer was to Not be afraid. 36:18 Not always be so concerned, not be taken out by all the external factors that were around us. 36:26 Yeah. 36:28 What were you noticing during that time? 36:34 I mean, same. 36:39 Like those couple years were actually like super refining, I think, you know, kind of refinding by the fire, so to speak, 36:49 in terms of just giving me clarity around, um, yeah, what it is to be resilient in the face of a, a pandemic. 37:04 You know, so much fear was drummed up during that time. 37:11 And I'm not trying to be dismissive at all of people who really did go through loss during the period. 37:20 But if anything, it was so frustrating to me to see there were statistics coming out that if you had adequate vitamin D levels that you were 93% less likely 37:33 to be impacted by COVID and end up in the hospital. 37:38 So frustrating to me as a practitioner. 37:41 We're helping our own patient population kind of ride this, navigate this pandemic and then just to see out there that that wasn't being The people were 37:56 not being helped and that there was, I don't know, like, our patient population did great through COVID. 38:03 They did, yeah. 38:04 We didn't have... 38:05 And we handled COVID for many of them. 38:07 Yeah. 38:08 And then we handle the COVID vaccine for them too. 38:12 I mean, in hindsight, we had done some data tracking. 38:18 during that time to show like, you know, okay, this, it'll be a little subset, a subset data set of these, couple hundred patients, 38:26 how they fared versus the general population. 38:28 But anyway, there, as a practitioner going through that, just seeing how needed this kind of work is. 38:38 And with the resiliency method, we're kind on the forefront of something. 38:41 We're in a sense, were pioneering, and we really don't know of other people talking about reversing food sensitivities for their clients, 38:48 right? 38:48 We haven't heard about clearing out mycoplasma to help stop recurring parasite infections. 38:57 We don't hear a lot of people talking about the importance of detoxing mold from the cells. 39:03 You know, we don' really hear lot people are talking the need to do those things before you restore and rebuild mitochondria and organ tissue glands. 39:13 and then earning the right to get to encapsulated deeper levels of toxins, right? 39:17 That's the resiliency method. 39:18 We don't hear a lot of people talking about that. 39:20 And that's something that you and I almost didn't even really know where we were going until we just kept answering the next question with these bodies 39:27 we're working on. 39:27 But how did you do that? 39:29 Like you stayed committed because we we are pioneering throughout the last, you know, that time period. 39:37 And I know there were other clinicians that, probably would have been like, well, this is going off the course of what I've learned. 39:45 This is scary. 39:47 But you just kept on answering and showing up and applying the technique and the process. 39:54 What do you think it took in you to stay the courses on that? 39:58 Well, I have a really good mentor. 40:00 I mean, at the end of the day, I trust you. 40:02 I think you're a very, very smart woman and you have a wealth of knowledge and experience just with your, you know, having a doctorate in traditional Chinese 40:15 medicine is pretty incredible that you bring that to the table. 40:20 Your knowledge of your body and then your curiosity and your unwavering kind of commitment to kind continuing to do that research and development. 40:31 You're not just stuck in like, this is all we're gonna do. 40:34 It stops here. 40:36 Yeah, I already know everything. 40:38 That's not you. 40:40 I don't know, you're constantly thinking about this stuff and digging into it and then sharing your clinical experience. 40:51 How many times have I called you from the car to share the latest insights? 40:56 And she keeps picking up. 40:58 I wasn't really going there to thank you. 41:00 That was very nice to hear. 41:01 Well, that's why I do it. 41:04 It says something about you too, I think, in that you're willing to also put yourself out there in terms of exploring and, 41:14 you know, being a little bit vulnerable to new ideas and maybe ideas that haven't been fully tested or haven' really been, 41:21 explored on subsets of patient population. 41:26 But I think that's what is in the alchemy of this process. 41:31 And, I would say you and I figuring it out because you have been my practitioner and help me figure out some things and my story is for another time. 41:40 Yeah. 41:40 But without that combination, you know? 41:44 Yeah, I think we make a good team. 41:49 I mean, kind of have like a little research bug in me. 41:52 So I like to like, grab onto something and not let go until I feel like I fully got it. 42:00 Sometimes that's to my own detriment where I'm like going down a path that's ultimately like... 42:08 That's how you learn, right? 42:10 You go down a path where you're like, I mean, remember my intermittent fasting phase? 42:14 Yes. 42:17 Very well. 42:17 Yeah. 42:19 But that's all part of my journey. 42:21 I had to kind of go through that and learn that, and do it, to get to the other side and be like I actually don't think that was very good for women to 42:28 do constantly. 42:28 At a certain point. 42:29 A certain time and place, but I was like very hardcore and maybe a little bit overzealous with it. 42:36 Things like that, but that's part of my journey. 42:39 If you were to wrap things up, this conversation up with one thing that you would leave people that are listening to this podcast and who have stuck with 42:46 us and listening our story, what is it that would say is a better question that people need to be asking themselves about their own health? 42:55 What would be one better questions you'd have them pose? 43:02 I mean, I guess it depends on... 43:04 I'm going to take my typical kind of new patient that comes in as a lot of times is a woman, a female patient who has symptoms that have been unresolved, 43:20 but her blood work looks normal. 43:25 So she's been told by multiple different doctors from all the different things she has kind of tried to help in her journey to address her symptoms. 43:34 She's told there's nothing wrong with you. 43:36 Like your butt looks fine. 43:38 You need to stop being so stressed out. 43:40 Get more sleep. 43:42 Diet, exercise more. 43:43 Yeah, you need watch your diet and don't be so stress out, get your stress levels handled. 43:54 Those same women, I think, the better question for them to ask themselves is, am I capable of healing? 44:04 Do I believe that? 44:05 Mm-hmm, starting there. 44:06 Do really believe my body is capable? 44:12 And is there, just because my blood work looks normal, does that mean, but I have these symptoms, that means we stop there? 44:22 You know, a lot of times I'm sitting across from somebody in an initial consultation and they're just weary. 44:28 There's a weariness to them where they just haven't been given answers. 44:34 And so for the first time, like I was listening to him and we spent an hour together. 44:40 They get to just share their whole health history and talk about all those symptoms. 44:45 They don't get that with 15 minute doctor visits. 44:50 And so they kind of get feel heard and then also get some hope inside that conversation. 45:01 That's kind the start of the journey. 45:05 So ask yourself, can you heal from a starting point? 45:08 Yeah. 45:09 The answer is yes. 45:10 Yeah, yeah. 45:12 Thank you for joining us today. 45:15 We'll have more you back on again. 45:16 Excellent. 45:17 Love it. 45:18 Thanks.
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